January 27, 2024 • 15 mins
Guest host Richard Syrett and authors Donald Jeffries and William Matson Law explore the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963, and why several overlooked flamboyant characters from New Orleans may have played major roles in the plot.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now Here's a Highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Dohn Jeffries was a teenage volunteer with high profile Warren
Report critic Mark Lane's Citizens Committee of Inquiry in the
mid nineteen seventies. His novel The Unreals was published in
two thousand and seven and became a cult classic. His
works of non fiction include Hidden History and Expose of
modern crimes, conspiracies and cover ups in American politics. Survival
(00:25):
of the Richest, How the corruption of the marketplace and
the disparity of wealth created the greatest conspiracy of all
crimes and cover ups in American politics seventeen seventy six
to nineteen sixty three. Bullyocracy, How the social hierarchy enables
bullying in schools, workplaces, in society at large. On Borrowed Fame, money,
mysteries and corruption in the entertainment world. Masking the Truth
(00:46):
How COVID nineteen destroyed civil liberties and shutdown the world.
And From Strawberry Fields to Abbey Road, A Billy Shear's Story.
Don writes regularly for the American Free Press and on Substack.
The Donald Jeffrey Show airs every war Wednesday from six
to eight pm Eastern on o'celly dot com and I
protest live streams on Fridays from five to seven pm
(01:07):
Eastern at Rockfinn dot com. William Matson Law has written
for the research periodicals The Kennedy Assassination Chronicles and The
Daily Plaza Echo, and is a producer of the forthcoming
film The Gathering, and currently serves as a consultant to
the film director Brian McKenna for his upcoming documentary Killing Kennedy.
(01:28):
He's the author of In the Eye of History, Disclosures
in the JFK Assassination Medical Evidence. Law has co authored
the Book's Betrayal, a JFK honor Guard speaks with Hugh
Clark and At the Cold Shoulder of History, the chilling
story of a twenty one year old Navy hospital corman
who stood at the shoulder of JFK during the Bethesda
autopsy with James Jenkins. William Matson Law and Don Jeffries
(01:52):
are co authors of Pipe the Bimbo in Red Dean Andrews,
Jim Garrison and The Conspiracy to Kill JFK. Don Jeffries,
William matts In Law, Welcome to Coast to Coast how
are you.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Good having us?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Good to be with you, great to have you? Anyone
can take any of these questions and just jump right in.
But let's start with the title, Pipe the bimbo in Red?
Can you either of you explain that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
That's William, that's William's title?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Good, explain it, Waimams the bimbo in Red comes from
the famous lunch scene between Dean Andrews and Jim Garrison
in the movie JFK, where the scene opens and they're
in the restaurant, and Andrews says, pipe the bimbo in
(02:44):
red and Garrison says, yeah, he's cute you, you know,
but not half as cute as you are, and then
it goes into a discussion about his Warren Commission testimony.
It's a classic scene and it's my favorite in the movie. So,
considering that this book was basically about Dean Andrews and
(03:06):
Jim Garrison, I thought it was appropriate.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And so Dean Andrews, as I mentioned in the opening
of the of the show, kind of used this antiquated
kind of bebop jive talk. Was is that an accurate portrayal?
Was was that the way was Dean Andrews that sort
of colorful, flamboyant.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
When I talked to his son, Dean Andrews II, I
asked him about that particular thing, and he said he
thought John Candy was pretty good. And he said he
got the he got the lingo down down right, like
the right tata, but the wrong ho ho. He said
he did really good with the language. And he said
(03:49):
his father did use that kind of language when he
was hanging out with those sort of people, but when
he was hanging out with other types of professionals and
things like that, he you know, knew the proper language
to use. But that was definitely part of his character.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
In the opening, again, I gave just kind of a
quick summary of what Dean Andrews told the FBI, what
he told the Warren Commission. I don't know, don if
you want to take this one, just kind of back
up and let's walk us through this again, just so
that we understand the significance of Dean Andrews' testimony to
the FBI, the Warren Commission, and later during the Garrison trial.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, well. The first of all, the inspiration for
the book came from my friendship with Dean Andrews. The
third who is Dean Andrews or the bat Nickle and
her son and he was actually my brother's best friend.
So I came to know him through the Dean was
over our house quabe known for over twenty years. He
was here for many family gatherings and I got to
meet his what his mom is still alive. She I
(04:50):
was the first researcher she talked to ever because she,
you know, their life was disrupted and so she you know,
kind of resented that and just thought her husband was crazy.
But you know, Dean Andrews Junior was the impetus really
for after Russell Long in the scene from JFK where
Walder Mathow plays Russell along and talks about Maggie's drawers
and gets Garrison interested in the assassination again by telling
(05:14):
them the Warren Commission is a load of crap. And
he one of the first things that really caught his
interest when he got the twenty six bunds of hearing
exibit's like a lot of us did, and started reading
the testimony. He knew Dean Andrews, Dean Andrews him friends,
and he saw his testimony. He just you know, he
had him keep it up with it. So when he
saw this and he I don't think he knew about
(05:35):
the call or anything like that, and he heard Dino's
Dean talking about you know, he was this this mysterious
phone call from a Clay Berkman. So that intrigued him.
And then you can see in the movie when he's
eating at lunch, eating lunch with him where the title
comes from. That's where he was first trying to dig
around and figure because he knew Andrews was the key here,
and also he was friends with him, so we you know,
(05:57):
trying to figure out why he got that call out.
You know, I personally, I don't know about whim, but
I personally believe you know, we call it the ground
level plot in New Orleans, but I think Andrews was
being manipulated for whatever reason. I think he was chosen
to be Oswald's lawyer. During the summer of sixty three.
He interacted with Oswald, and he interacted with all those
Cubans that were everywhere in that ground level plot. And
(06:20):
I think the Cubans are a distraction. To be honest
with you, I don't think you had anything to do
with assassination, but they were all around those characters. And
so you had David Ferry, you had you had Sergery
or Roches Smith, a lot of these Cubans, you had
Jack Martin, you had Guy Banister, all these people that
we talk about in the book. And I think Oswald
is obviously being groomed to be the patsy. And I
(06:41):
think why Garrison did that. He was told he was
in some kind of an undercover agent at THEI or CIA,
and he was told to infiltrate a plot that people
were planning to assassinate the president. I personally think they
probably all were being manipulated against each other. They might
have all been told the same thing, but that's how
he got set into there. And I think because Dean
(07:01):
Andrews has chosen whatever to be the lawyer for this stuff,
I think they picked him to make that call. I
can only speculate about why they made the call, because
presumably they were already planning to kill Oswald, so he
wouldn't have needed an attorney. But I think if Dean
Andrews is puzzled about it for the rest of his
life as we go into the book, especially through his
son he was, he really did pretty much go crazy,
(07:24):
became super paranoid. In real life, private life, he wasn't
like he told NBC, and you know, he lied and
was charged with perjur and everything because he wanted to
said he wanted to save his own neck, I like
to breathe is what he said, because he saw all
the other people that were that were being killed, dying mysteriously.
So he lied to save himself and his family. But
in private he believed there was a huge conspiracy and
(07:46):
he thought they were going to get him. And we
go into that a little bit in the bug.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Okay, So when you say he lied to save himself,
are you referring to the FBI claiming that he later
recanted and said that he made this whole story up
about getting a call from.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Clay Bertrand right, Well, I think what they tried to
do they basically planted that idea and just told him, hey, look,
you know you're on drugs. You know you could have
imagined this. And so you can see, you know we're
talking there. We had the progression of like the way
his stories changed, and people can judge for themselves that
you can see the process ongoing where they're telling him, well,
(08:24):
you know, maybe imagine this you're on a lot of drugs,
you know, you weren't feeling well or whatever. And they
eventually got him to say that. But he had a
vested interest in that, and you can see it a
lot of his lawyers, I mean a lot of his
interviews that Harold Weisberg did, and we rely a lot
on Wiseburg's great work Oswald in New Orleans. He was
want to prot Garrison's first investigator. But you know, he
(08:45):
talked to all these people, and Andrews knew what was
going on. I am proved that he would say that.
But he's an important figure because he really got Jim
Garrison's attention on you know what became the only time,
the only press accution and the John F. Kennedy assassination
that ever took place. Was clay Show. I would go
to a lot in clay Shaw's background as well. In
(09:07):
clay Shaw, I don't think and Dean Dean the third
tell you know, they know in certain terms in the
book that yes, Dean clay Shaw was was Bergram, There's
no question about it. But if you look at Shaw's background,
I think Shaw was probably the connector the condoy between
the grand level of plot in New Orleans and the
real conspirators. I think he's because you look at his
(09:30):
background and this guy had connections going back to Operation
paper Glib in World War Two.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
William, why do you or first of all, did Dean
Andrews ever have contact with Clay Bertrand slash clay Shaw?
Did he ever meet him face to face?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, according to Dean Andrews the Third, I think we've
solved the mystery about uh, Clay Bertrand being Clay Shaw.
I don't remember did we did we find out whether
or not he was You ever met him? I don't
(10:12):
think he ever did.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
No, Dan the Third, I don't think he ever did.
But but he you know, he basically says, of course
he was the same person and Dean Junior, and he
gave there, you know, very wildly, you know, varying descriptions
of him. And clay Shaw was a tall man. At
one point he described him in short and uh so
again I think he was just playing games. But there's
I mean, there's no question. And Clay Shawn was the
(10:37):
famous scene in JFK where he officer Habngrse I think
his name was. When he was being booked, he gave
he asked him he had any a listens and he said,
Clay Bertrand. So they put that down on a sheet
and there's the famous scene in the movie where the
judge won't allow that in and Kevin Costner saying, what
are you talking about? That's you know, that's my case,
(10:58):
and he said, well, Jimbo, you should have a stronger
haze or something like that. And so there's no question
that was Clay Bertrand, and especially in the French quarter
and everything was he was known because he led that lifestyle,
and Garrison, to his credit, when they rated his very
impressive home on Dauphine Street, they found a lot of,
(11:19):
you know, really S and M type gay stuff. There's
a lot of sexual things in there, and he purposely
kept that out of the newspapers. A lot of people
claimed he was trying to be sensationalistic, but he actually
downplayed that. But I don't think there's any question that
that Shaw was Bertrand. But whether to what degree, you know,
(11:40):
Dean would say in private that you know, he had
conversations Bertrand would just send him clients. And again that
plays into my personal theory that Dean was being used
as well because Bertrand again was probably the connection between
the conspirators, and so he was between them and the
Ron blah blah blat and the real conspirators, and he
was probably sending them these cubans. He said, I deal
(12:00):
with a lot of gay caballeros, and you know, he's
colorful language and Oswald. Now whether Oswald really needed was
really seeking help of the dishonorable discharge or his wife's
immigration status, I don't know that could. I personally think
it's probably part of whatever he was designed to do.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
William, why do you suppose Dean Andrews is by and
large overlooked And as you say this, this ground level
plot in New Orleans, do you think it gets enough attention.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I think a lot of people think that that Dean Andrews,
for whatever reason, the spun stories there. There are a
lot of people that don't like Garrison. They feel that
he was using this the Kennedy assassination two for his
own career. That I don't take that view at all.
(12:56):
I think Garrison was was an honorable man. And I
named one of my sons his middle name is Garrison.
That's the respect I have for him. You know, they
like to portray Dean Andrews as this jive talking lawyer,
(13:17):
and he was that to a certain extent, but that
was kind of like his persona in given situations. They
ignore him because people don't want to believe it, you know.
They they don't want to give Garrison the credit that
he's due, and they try to make Andrews part of that. Well,
he was just one of these crazy New Orleans guys.
(13:41):
I think that's why.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And did Garrison or Garrison and Dean Andrews. Did they
go to law school together?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
They did.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
That's how they met. Yeah, they knew each other from
a long ways back. They had had a friendship. That's
not that's what you know. We learned a lot about
that from Dean Andrews and the interviews I did with him,
Dean Andrews Junior. And I'm really proud of that because
(14:14):
in this book, it's the first time that Dean Andrews
Junior has come forward and was willing to talk about
what he knew. You know, when I first learned that
that gone knew Dean Andrews the third I couldn't believe
it. It was like, well, what are you doing about that? Well,
(14:38):
he's a he's a family friend. And I said, well,
I think that this ought to be explored more, and
so we did that. I mean, sometimes you get so
close to somebody that you don't see the significance of it.
They become not this person that is part of this
you know, historical event, but they become your friend, and
(14:59):
so you can lose side of how important that could be.
And I don't know that Don did that, but I
just think he was so comfortable with having Dean around
that he didn't really think too much about home. Well,
here's this person that can give us this information.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Dohn Jeffries was a teenage volunteer with high profile Warren
Report critic Mark Lane's Citizens Committee of Inquiry in the
mid nineteen seventies. His novel The Unreals was published in
two thousand and seven and became a cult classic. His
works of non fiction include Hidden History and Expose of
modern crimes, conspiracies and cover ups in American politics. Survival
(00:25):
of the Richest, How the corruption of the marketplace and
the disparity of wealth created the greatest conspiracy of all
crimes and cover ups in American politics seventeen seventy six
to nineteen sixty three. Bullyocracy, How the social hierarchy enables
bullying in schools, workplaces, in society at large. On Borrowed Fame, money,
mysteries and corruption in the entertainment world. Masking the Truth
(00:46):
How COVID nineteen destroyed civil liberties and shutdown the world.
And From Strawberry Fields to Abbey Road, A Billy Shear's Story.
Don writes regularly for the American Free Press and on Substack.
The Donald Jeffrey Show airs every war Wednesday from six
to eight pm Eastern on o'celly dot com and I
protest live streams on Fridays from five to seven pm
(01:07):
Eastern at Rockfinn dot com. William Matson Law has written
for the research periodicals The Kennedy Assassination Chronicles and The
Daily Plaza Echo, and is a producer of the forthcoming
film The Gathering, and currently serves as a consultant to
the film director Brian McKenna for his upcoming documentary Killing Kennedy.
(01:28):
He's the author of In the Eye of History, Disclosures
in the JFK Assassination Medical Evidence. Law has co authored
the Book's Betrayal, a JFK honor Guard speaks with Hugh
Clark and At the Cold Shoulder of History, the chilling
story of a twenty one year old Navy hospital corman
who stood at the shoulder of JFK during the Bethesda
autopsy with James Jenkins. William Matson Law and Don Jeffries
(01:52):
are co authors of Pipe the Bimbo in Red Dean Andrews,
Jim Garrison and The Conspiracy to Kill JFK. Don Jeffries,
William matts In Law, Welcome to Coast to Coast how
are you.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Good having us?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Good to be with you, great to have you? Anyone
can take any of these questions and just jump right in.
But let's start with the title, Pipe the bimbo in Red?
Can you either of you explain that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
That's William, that's William's title?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Good, explain it, Waimams the bimbo in Red comes from
the famous lunch scene between Dean Andrews and Jim Garrison
in the movie JFK, where the scene opens and they're
in the restaurant, and Andrews says, pipe the bimbo in
(02:44):
red and Garrison says, yeah, he's cute you, you know,
but not half as cute as you are, and then
it goes into a discussion about his Warren Commission testimony.
It's a classic scene and it's my favorite in the movie. So,
considering that this book was basically about Dean Andrews and
(03:06):
Jim Garrison, I thought it was appropriate.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And so Dean Andrews, as I mentioned in the opening
of the of the show, kind of used this antiquated
kind of bebop jive talk. Was is that an accurate portrayal?
Was was that the way was Dean Andrews that sort
of colorful, flamboyant.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
When I talked to his son, Dean Andrews II, I
asked him about that particular thing, and he said he
thought John Candy was pretty good. And he said he
got the he got the lingo down down right, like
the right tata, but the wrong ho ho. He said
he did really good with the language. And he said
(03:49):
his father did use that kind of language when he
was hanging out with those sort of people, but when
he was hanging out with other types of professionals and
things like that, he you know, knew the proper language
to use. But that was definitely part of his character.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
In the opening, again, I gave just kind of a
quick summary of what Dean Andrews told the FBI, what
he told the Warren Commission. I don't know, don if
you want to take this one, just kind of back
up and let's walk us through this again, just so
that we understand the significance of Dean Andrews' testimony to
the FBI, the Warren Commission, and later during the Garrison trial.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, well. The first of all, the inspiration for
the book came from my friendship with Dean Andrews. The
third who is Dean Andrews or the bat Nickle and
her son and he was actually my brother's best friend.
So I came to know him through the Dean was
over our house quabe known for over twenty years. He
was here for many family gatherings and I got to
meet his what his mom is still alive. She I
(04:50):
was the first researcher she talked to ever because she,
you know, their life was disrupted and so she you know,
kind of resented that and just thought her husband was crazy.
But you know, Dean Andrews Junior was the impetus really
for after Russell Long in the scene from JFK where
Walder Mathow plays Russell along and talks about Maggie's drawers
and gets Garrison interested in the assassination again by telling
(05:14):
them the Warren Commission is a load of crap. And
he one of the first things that really caught his
interest when he got the twenty six bunds of hearing
exibit's like a lot of us did, and started reading
the testimony. He knew Dean Andrews, Dean Andrews him friends,
and he saw his testimony. He just you know, he
had him keep it up with it. So when he
saw this and he I don't think he knew about
(05:35):
the call or anything like that, and he heard Dino's
Dean talking about you know, he was this this mysterious
phone call from a Clay Berkman. So that intrigued him.
And then you can see in the movie when he's
eating at lunch, eating lunch with him where the title
comes from. That's where he was first trying to dig
around and figure because he knew Andrews was the key here,
and also he was friends with him, so we you know,
(05:57):
trying to figure out why he got that call out.
You know, I personally, I don't know about whim, but
I personally believe you know, we call it the ground
level plot in New Orleans, but I think Andrews was
being manipulated for whatever reason. I think he was chosen
to be Oswald's lawyer. During the summer of sixty three.
He interacted with Oswald, and he interacted with all those
Cubans that were everywhere in that ground level plot. And
(06:20):
I think the Cubans are a distraction. To be honest
with you, I don't think you had anything to do
with assassination, but they were all around those characters. And
so you had David Ferry, you had you had Sergery
or Roches Smith, a lot of these Cubans, you had
Jack Martin, you had Guy Banister, all these people that
we talk about in the book. And I think Oswald
is obviously being groomed to be the patsy. And I
(06:41):
think why Garrison did that. He was told he was
in some kind of an undercover agent at THEI or CIA,
and he was told to infiltrate a plot that people
were planning to assassinate the president. I personally think they
probably all were being manipulated against each other. They might
have all been told the same thing, but that's how
he got set into there. And I think because Dean
(07:01):
Andrews has chosen whatever to be the lawyer for this stuff,
I think they picked him to make that call. I
can only speculate about why they made the call, because
presumably they were already planning to kill Oswald, so he
wouldn't have needed an attorney. But I think if Dean
Andrews is puzzled about it for the rest of his
life as we go into the book, especially through his
son he was, he really did pretty much go crazy,
(07:24):
became super paranoid. In real life, private life, he wasn't
like he told NBC, and you know, he lied and
was charged with perjur and everything because he wanted to
said he wanted to save his own neck, I like
to breathe is what he said, because he saw all
the other people that were that were being killed, dying mysteriously.
So he lied to save himself and his family. But
in private he believed there was a huge conspiracy and
(07:46):
he thought they were going to get him. And we
go into that a little bit in the bug.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Okay, So when you say he lied to save himself,
are you referring to the FBI claiming that he later
recanted and said that he made this whole story up
about getting a call from.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Clay Bertrand right, Well, I think what they tried to
do they basically planted that idea and just told him, hey, look,
you know you're on drugs. You know you could have
imagined this. And so you can see, you know we're
talking there. We had the progression of like the way
his stories changed, and people can judge for themselves that
you can see the process ongoing where they're telling him, well,
(08:24):
you know, maybe imagine this you're on a lot of drugs,
you know, you weren't feeling well or whatever. And they
eventually got him to say that. But he had a
vested interest in that, and you can see it a
lot of his lawyers, I mean a lot of his
interviews that Harold Weisberg did, and we rely a lot
on Wiseburg's great work Oswald in New Orleans. He was
want to prot Garrison's first investigator. But you know, he
(08:45):
talked to all these people, and Andrews knew what was
going on. I am proved that he would say that.
But he's an important figure because he really got Jim
Garrison's attention on you know what became the only time,
the only press accution and the John F. Kennedy assassination
that ever took place. Was clay Show. I would go
to a lot in clay Shaw's background as well. In
(09:07):
clay Shaw, I don't think and Dean Dean the third
tell you know, they know in certain terms in the
book that yes, Dean clay Shaw was was Bergram, There's
no question about it. But if you look at Shaw's background,
I think Shaw was probably the connector the condoy between
the grand level of plot in New Orleans and the
real conspirators. I think he's because you look at his
(09:30):
background and this guy had connections going back to Operation
paper Glib in World War Two.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
William, why do you or first of all, did Dean
Andrews ever have contact with Clay Bertrand slash clay Shaw?
Did he ever meet him face to face?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, according to Dean Andrews the Third, I think we've
solved the mystery about uh, Clay Bertrand being Clay Shaw.
I don't remember did we did we find out whether
or not he was You ever met him? I don't
(10:12):
think he ever did.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
No, Dan the Third, I don't think he ever did.
But but he you know, he basically says, of course
he was the same person and Dean Junior, and he
gave there, you know, very wildly, you know, varying descriptions
of him. And clay Shaw was a tall man. At
one point he described him in short and uh so
again I think he was just playing games. But there's
I mean, there's no question. And Clay Shawn was the
(10:37):
famous scene in JFK where he officer Habngrse I think
his name was. When he was being booked, he gave
he asked him he had any a listens and he said,
Clay Bertrand. So they put that down on a sheet
and there's the famous scene in the movie where the
judge won't allow that in and Kevin Costner saying, what
are you talking about? That's you know, that's my case,
(10:58):
and he said, well, Jimbo, you should have a stronger
haze or something like that. And so there's no question
that was Clay Bertrand, and especially in the French quarter
and everything was he was known because he led that lifestyle,
and Garrison, to his credit, when they rated his very
impressive home on Dauphine Street, they found a lot of,
(11:19):
you know, really S and M type gay stuff. There's
a lot of sexual things in there, and he purposely
kept that out of the newspapers. A lot of people
claimed he was trying to be sensationalistic, but he actually
downplayed that. But I don't think there's any question that
that Shaw was Bertrand. But whether to what degree, you know,
(11:40):
Dean would say in private that you know, he had
conversations Bertrand would just send him clients. And again that
plays into my personal theory that Dean was being used
as well because Bertrand again was probably the connection between
the conspirators, and so he was between them and the
Ron blah blah blat and the real conspirators, and he
was probably sending them these cubans. He said, I deal
(12:00):
with a lot of gay caballeros, and you know, he's
colorful language and Oswald. Now whether Oswald really needed was
really seeking help of the dishonorable discharge or his wife's
immigration status, I don't know that could. I personally think
it's probably part of whatever he was designed to do.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
William, why do you suppose Dean Andrews is by and
large overlooked And as you say this, this ground level
plot in New Orleans, do you think it gets enough attention.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I think a lot of people think that that Dean Andrews,
for whatever reason, the spun stories there. There are a
lot of people that don't like Garrison. They feel that
he was using this the Kennedy assassination two for his
own career. That I don't take that view at all.
(12:56):
I think Garrison was was an honorable man. And I
named one of my sons his middle name is Garrison.
That's the respect I have for him. You know, they
like to portray Dean Andrews as this jive talking lawyer,
(13:17):
and he was that to a certain extent, but that
was kind of like his persona in given situations. They
ignore him because people don't want to believe it, you know.
They they don't want to give Garrison the credit that
he's due, and they try to make Andrews part of that. Well,
he was just one of these crazy New Orleans guys.
(13:41):
I think that's why.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And did Garrison or Garrison and Dean Andrews. Did they
go to law school together?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
They did.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
That's how they met. Yeah, they knew each other from
a long ways back. They had had a friendship. That's
not that's what you know. We learned a lot about
that from Dean Andrews and the interviews I did with him,
Dean Andrews Junior. And I'm really proud of that because
(14:14):
in this book, it's the first time that Dean Andrews
Junior has come forward and was willing to talk about
what he knew. You know, when I first learned that
that gone knew Dean Andrews the third I couldn't believe
it. It was like, well, what are you doing about that? Well,
(14:38):
he's a he's a family friend. And I said, well,
I think that this ought to be explored more, and
so we did that. I mean, sometimes you get so
close to somebody that you don't see the significance of it.
They become not this person that is part of this
you know, historical event, but they become your friend, and
(14:59):
so you can lose side of how important that could be.
And I don't know that Don did that, but I
just think he was so comfortable with having Dean around
that he didn't really think too much about home. Well,
here's this person that can give us this information.
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