March 18, 2023 • 18 mins
Guest host Ian Punnett and Saint John Hunt, son of career CIA spy E. Howard Hunt, discuss his father's deathbed recording explaining the conspiracy behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, and whether he truly believes his father was involved in the fatal shooting in Dallas.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
For his agreement with his father E. Howard Hunt, Saint
John Hunt held onto that deathbed confession tape that he
had received in the mail from two thousand and four
until two thousand and seven and then released it to
(00:21):
great amount of controversy, mostly because I would think and
then you tell me different, Saint John. It went back
to a theory that had been somewhat dormant for a
long time, that LBJ was responsible for the death of JFK. Right,
(00:41):
that wasn't a very popular theory, you know, vice president
plotting for the demise of the president. But in reality,
there was several things that were It was like the
perfect storm. There were several things going on at the time.
Of one thing, he military industrial complex was extremely worried
about JFK because he was suggesting that that we give
(01:06):
information of extraterrestrial interaction and UFOs over to the Soviets
as long as they would be giving us their information
that they had any Another one was that JFK was
addicted to methamphetamine and receiving daily injections uh from his doctor. Um,
(01:28):
you know, he was he was really jf He was
really going off the deep end on in a lot
of areas, and they just didn't think that if he
was elected for another few years that he was going
to be able to maintain his sanity because the Secret
Service it was having a hard time already keeping JFK
under control with all the girls he had, and of
(01:49):
course hyper sexuality is one of the things that meth
amphetamine affects you with he was he was really on
the deep end of things. And uh was geveral people
within the CIA, powerful people like Bill Harvey and uh
uh David Morales and people like that that were real,
(02:11):
real killers, and um, you know, it wasn't beyond them
to you know, in America's quote unquote best interest to
to remove the president. He didn't have LBJ doing. Of course.
LBJ was just you know, you own problems. He was
an instrumental in the death of many Texas legislators earlier on,
(02:36):
so he was no problem. So my father suggesting that
j I that LBJ was at the top of the
line of people that uh that knew about the assassination
and and and gave it the green light, is is
really on track. And of course later on people like
Roger Stone and uh and others wrote books about Jiff
(02:59):
about the LBK involvement in the assassination. So it was
it was early on that my father's uggestion came out. Well,
I know he's a pal of yours, and at one
point I thought Roger Stone was very amusing. I have
less of of a positive opinion of him in other respects,
(03:22):
but um I so I'll leave that for the moment.
But I do want to say the other thing that they,
the Inner Circle knew was that JFK had been very
likely experimenting with drugs such as LSD with Mary Pinchot Meyer,
(03:43):
Cord Meyer's ex wife, and they had an affair. They
were having an ongoing sexual relationship that was also an
affair of the heart as well, and that he would
regularly go to her place. That I think is beyond debate,
(04:05):
I think at this point. And that it was her
diary which was sought by James Angleton of the CIA
after her assassination along the Towpath in Washington, that she
which was subsequently destroyed, but that diary was handed over
(04:28):
by Ben Bradley and his wife to the CIA, And
he said later on in life he regretted doing that,
and he wondered at the time whether he should have
been doing that, But it was like, you're doing what
he thought again, this was for the good of the country.
That there they were going to give up the diary
of Mary Pinchot Meyer to the CIA. If she's writing
(04:50):
about the president and his drug use. Yeah. The other thing, Mary,
to Joe Myers, was a close confident of Anthy Leary,
the LSD great at the time, and she would get
LSD from him Leary, and do it with JFK. And
he was his mind was really opened up, and he
was thinking all these wonderful thoughts of the world peace
(05:14):
and all this stuff, and it was just too much
for the military industrial complex to deal with. So, you know,
she was really taking a big chance in doing this.
I don't think she ever thought for one second that
her life was in danger, but as we now know,
it was in danger and they killed her. For what's
interesting is your dad kind of makes reference to that
(05:37):
too here in the tape, because he talks about that
there was no love lost between cord Meyer and JFK.
So if LBJ was looking for an operative within the
CIA that would be willing to go along with an
assassination of JFK. Then that would be cord Meyer and
(06:00):
that he even kind of tossed off handedly about about
Mary Pincho Meyer's death too. What else do you hear
when you listen to this deathbed confession? Back again, what
insights do you hear that maybe some of the rest
of us may miss? Well. He goes through several names,
and probably a lot of people you know currently don't
(06:21):
don't really know who some of these names were. But
for example, Bill Harvey was in nineteen fifty nine, he
put together the false defector program for the CIA, and
Lee Harvey Oswald was one of these false defectors to
Russia through that program, so he knew Oswald and had
a relationship with that program. He also hated Bobby Kennedy
(06:45):
because Bobby Kennedy found out that during the height of
the Cuban missile crisis, Bill Harvey was still sending his
his guerrilla group over to Cuba to blow up sugarcane
fields and irrigation systems and that kind of name radio
station UM and when he when Bobby Kennedy found out
about that, he u pulled Bill Harvey out of his
(07:13):
his his area of expertise there and sent him over
to uh to Annaly, to Rome to be station sheep there. Well,
as soon as he got to Rome, he got together
found out who was in his French underground in Rome
dealing the heroine to Marseille, France, and he got in
with the Corsican underground and recruited uh Lucien Sarte as
(07:40):
one of the shooters in the GfK's fascination. So Harvey
was up to his neck and this whole thing, and
he hated the Kennedy that just like my dad did.
And there's another name he mentioned that the Frank Sturge is. Well,
he doesn't say Sturgis by last name. I'm assuming when
he says Frank, he means Frank Sturgis his former p
I C in the CIA. Yeah, Frank was originally fighting
(08:03):
UM Alongsidecastro. He was in charge of the of the
casinos in Havana and elsewhere in Cuba. But as soon
as Castro was leaning towards communism he uh he fled
in the United States and joined the CIA as a
contract agent and went about UM doing anti Castro activities.
(08:25):
Um Frank I met Flankster just several times, and he
was a very nice guy. On the outside. All these
guys were very very nice to meet, very polite and
and such. But underneath the tin layer they were they
were stone cold killers. Yeah they were. Yeah. I hadn't
know it at the time, but you know, they really
(08:46):
kept a good front going. Yeah, and how could you really?
I mean, and your dad obviously wasn't going to introduce
him that way. So uh all right, Uh so let's
play it again. I want to play it again. I
want to get to the party again. So take some
notes and then at the bottom of the hour, we'll
(09:06):
open up the phones for Saint John Hunt. This goes
back to two thousand and seven, but it's just as
potent as it is as it was then when we
hear it now. And I think we should point out
that all this tape has been examined and historians have
gone through and vetted it, and as far as I know,
(09:29):
nobody has ever come out and released anything any analysis
of the tape that wasn't any worse than inconclusive. Do
you know if anybody who's come out and figured out
it's been you know, it's accurate, and it's it's you know,
he needs to take on his own and and he
(09:50):
fanancined me. And that's all been verified. Here we go,
let's play it again. This is the deathbed confession of
Saint John Hunt's father, E Howard Hunt, on host to
Coast Am. I heard from Frank that LBJ had designated
Cordbyer Junior to undertake a larger organization, or keeping it
(10:15):
totally secret. Cordbuyer himself was a rather favored member of
the Eastern aristocracy. He was a graduate of Yale University
and had joined the Marine Corps during the war and
(10:36):
lost an eye in the Pacific fighting. I think that
LBJ settled on Meyer as a as an opportunist parent
like himself, a parent and a man who had very
little left to him in life. Ever since JFK had
(11:00):
had taken Cord's wife as one of his mistresses, I
would suggest that Cordbuyer welcomed the approach from LBJ, who was,
after all, only the vice president at that time. Of course,
could not number Cordbyer long JFK's admirers. Quite the contrary.
(11:27):
After Dave Pelps I knew him pretty well at one
time he worked for me during the Guatemala project. He
had made himself useful to the agency in Santiago, Chile,
where he was an American businessman. In any case, his actions,
(11:48):
whatever they worked, came to the attention to the Santiago
station chief, and when his resume became known to people
in the Western Hemisphere Division, he was brought in to
(12:09):
work on Guatemala the operations, spurs and Morales and people
of that Yelk stayed in apartment houses during his preparations
for the big event, as their addresses were very subject
(12:33):
to change, so that Quera Fellow, like Willis, had been
one day, you not necessarily associated with that same address
in the following game, and short of was a very
mobile experience. Let me point out at this point that
(12:53):
if I had wanted to fictionalize what went on in
Miama and elsewhere during a ruma for the big event,
I would have done so. But I don't want any unreality.
The tinge and this particular a story or the information.
(13:16):
I should say I was a bench warmer on it,
and I had a reputation for honesty. I think it's
a sense of the refocus on what this information that
I've been providing you and you alone. By the way,
consists of What is important in the story is that
(13:40):
we've backtracked the chain of command up through through the
Cordmyer and laying me the doings at the doorstep of LBJ. He,
in my opinion, had a and almost maniacal urge to
(14:03):
become president. He regarded as JFK as a as he
was in fact an obstacle to achieving that. He could
have waited for JFK to finish out his term and
then undoubtedly a second term. So that would have put
the LBJ at the head of a long list of
(14:26):
people who were waiting for some change in the executive bridge.
As a sidebar, Saint John Hunt, who do you think
has it ever occurred to you who was who was
responsible for the death of Mary Pinshall Meyer. Um, I've
(14:49):
given it some thought, and I you know, I have
no evidence to suggest anything anyone in particular, but I
think it was a standalone operational group within the cia UH,
and it could have been an offshoot of their Operation
forty group which Bill Harvey started, which was a group
of assassins UH that went around the world internationally and
(15:12):
took care of various politicians, the presidents and such that
who's feelings weren't in line with the United States feelings. So, um,
you know, there there were these guys were lots and
loaded and ready to go after anybody you know that
was that was pointed to and say, yeah, you have
to get this lady her. She had the diary as
(15:33):
Maril Monroe had a diary that listed h JFK's drug
youth and Marilyn's diary listed to his involvement with her sexually.
And um, you know they were there to protect the
ideal of the presidency at the extent of the presidents. Um.
So I think it was a standalone group within the
(15:56):
CIA of highed assassins that had been wanting, you know,
globally active for years. Yeah, there's no doubt in my
mind that that's what it was. Your father refers to
himself as a bench warmer. Um, during the run up,
if he had been asked to be in Dallas, do
(16:19):
you they really begged him and said, look, dude, we
really need you there, would he have been there? And
he of course it's been long since disproven that he's
one of the quote three hoboes who was arrested that day,
But um, do you think he would have changed his mind,
you could, could anything have changed his mind? I don't know,
(16:42):
but I believe he was in Dallas that day. There
is a photographs of people walking across the street towards
the Grassy Knowl and it shows one gentleman in a
trench coat and had just like my mother had those items.
And I believe that him, although I had no way
to prove it. No one's disproved it either. And my
(17:05):
mother also mentioned to me at one point that that
Papa was in Dallas during that time, So you know,
it's pretty I think it's pretty obviously he did go
to Dallas just he was been the guy that knew
the escape routes, that had the codes for uh, you know,
calling people to you know, to clean up the operation
and that type of thing. I think he got sucked
(17:27):
into it more than he was willing to say on
that tape. Something that's part of the team as an
active member of the team, but that is sitting on
the sidelines waiting for his call. And I think he
was there in a sort of an active, semi inactive
role as someone that could be trusted because he did
say he was known for his honesty and his trustworthiness
(17:49):
and he was trusted by these people to carry out
this operation. Now, interestingly enough, a man has come forward,
Tosh Plumley, who was a pilot for the CIA in
the Miami UH sector and said that he flew my
father two dolls that day. So that's interesting, you know,
(18:11):
newer item that's come up, even though your father denied it. Yeah,
right interesting. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every
weeknight at one am Eastern and go to Coast to
Coast am dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
For his agreement with his father E. Howard Hunt, Saint
John Hunt held onto that deathbed confession tape that he
had received in the mail from two thousand and four
until two thousand and seven and then released it to
(00:21):
great amount of controversy, mostly because I would think and
then you tell me different, Saint John. It went back
to a theory that had been somewhat dormant for a
long time, that LBJ was responsible for the death of JFK. Right,
(00:41):
that wasn't a very popular theory, you know, vice president
plotting for the demise of the president. But in reality,
there was several things that were It was like the
perfect storm. There were several things going on at the time.
Of one thing, he military industrial complex was extremely worried
about JFK because he was suggesting that that we give
(01:06):
information of extraterrestrial interaction and UFOs over to the Soviets
as long as they would be giving us their information
that they had any Another one was that JFK was
addicted to methamphetamine and receiving daily injections uh from his doctor. Um,
(01:28):
you know, he was he was really jf He was
really going off the deep end on in a lot
of areas, and they just didn't think that if he
was elected for another few years that he was going
to be able to maintain his sanity because the Secret
Service it was having a hard time already keeping JFK
under control with all the girls he had, and of
(01:49):
course hyper sexuality is one of the things that meth
amphetamine affects you with he was he was really on
the deep end of things. And uh was geveral people
within the CIA, powerful people like Bill Harvey and uh
uh David Morales and people like that that were real,
(02:11):
real killers, and um, you know, it wasn't beyond them
to you know, in America's quote unquote best interest to
to remove the president. He didn't have LBJ doing. Of course.
LBJ was just you know, you own problems. He was
an instrumental in the death of many Texas legislators earlier on,
(02:36):
so he was no problem. So my father suggesting that
j I that LBJ was at the top of the
line of people that uh that knew about the assassination
and and and gave it the green light, is is
really on track. And of course later on people like
Roger Stone and uh and others wrote books about Jiff
(02:59):
about the LBK involvement in the assassination. So it was
it was early on that my father's uggestion came out. Well,
I know he's a pal of yours, and at one
point I thought Roger Stone was very amusing. I have
less of of a positive opinion of him in other respects,
(03:22):
but um I so I'll leave that for the moment.
But I do want to say the other thing that they,
the Inner Circle knew was that JFK had been very
likely experimenting with drugs such as LSD with Mary Pinchot Meyer,
(03:43):
Cord Meyer's ex wife, and they had an affair. They
were having an ongoing sexual relationship that was also an
affair of the heart as well, and that he would
regularly go to her place. That I think is beyond debate,
(04:05):
I think at this point. And that it was her
diary which was sought by James Angleton of the CIA
after her assassination along the Towpath in Washington, that she
which was subsequently destroyed, but that diary was handed over
(04:28):
by Ben Bradley and his wife to the CIA, And
he said later on in life he regretted doing that,
and he wondered at the time whether he should have
been doing that, But it was like, you're doing what
he thought again, this was for the good of the country.
That there they were going to give up the diary
of Mary Pinchot Meyer to the CIA. If she's writing
(04:50):
about the president and his drug use. Yeah. The other thing, Mary,
to Joe Myers, was a close confident of Anthy Leary,
the LSD great at the time, and she would get
LSD from him Leary, and do it with JFK. And
he was his mind was really opened up, and he
was thinking all these wonderful thoughts of the world peace
(05:14):
and all this stuff, and it was just too much
for the military industrial complex to deal with. So, you know,
she was really taking a big chance in doing this.
I don't think she ever thought for one second that
her life was in danger, but as we now know,
it was in danger and they killed her. For what's
interesting is your dad kind of makes reference to that
(05:37):
too here in the tape, because he talks about that
there was no love lost between cord Meyer and JFK.
So if LBJ was looking for an operative within the
CIA that would be willing to go along with an
assassination of JFK. Then that would be cord Meyer and
(06:00):
that he even kind of tossed off handedly about about
Mary Pincho Meyer's death too. What else do you hear
when you listen to this deathbed confession? Back again, what
insights do you hear that maybe some of the rest
of us may miss? Well. He goes through several names,
and probably a lot of people you know currently don't
(06:21):
don't really know who some of these names were. But
for example, Bill Harvey was in nineteen fifty nine, he
put together the false defector program for the CIA, and
Lee Harvey Oswald was one of these false defectors to
Russia through that program, so he knew Oswald and had
a relationship with that program. He also hated Bobby Kennedy
(06:45):
because Bobby Kennedy found out that during the height of
the Cuban missile crisis, Bill Harvey was still sending his
his guerrilla group over to Cuba to blow up sugarcane
fields and irrigation systems and that kind of name radio
station UM and when he when Bobby Kennedy found out
about that, he u pulled Bill Harvey out of his
(07:13):
his his area of expertise there and sent him over
to uh to Annaly, to Rome to be station sheep there. Well,
as soon as he got to Rome, he got together
found out who was in his French underground in Rome
dealing the heroine to Marseille, France, and he got in
with the Corsican underground and recruited uh Lucien Sarte as
(07:40):
one of the shooters in the GfK's fascination. So Harvey
was up to his neck and this whole thing, and
he hated the Kennedy that just like my dad did.
And there's another name he mentioned that the Frank Sturge is. Well,
he doesn't say Sturgis by last name. I'm assuming when
he says Frank, he means Frank Sturgis his former p
I C in the CIA. Yeah, Frank was originally fighting
(08:03):
UM Alongsidecastro. He was in charge of the of the
casinos in Havana and elsewhere in Cuba. But as soon
as Castro was leaning towards communism he uh he fled
in the United States and joined the CIA as a
contract agent and went about UM doing anti Castro activities.
(08:25):
Um Frank I met Flankster just several times, and he
was a very nice guy. On the outside. All these
guys were very very nice to meet, very polite and
and such. But underneath the tin layer they were they
were stone cold killers. Yeah they were. Yeah. I hadn't
know it at the time, but you know, they really
(08:46):
kept a good front going. Yeah, and how could you really?
I mean, and your dad obviously wasn't going to introduce
him that way. So uh all right, Uh so let's
play it again. I want to play it again. I
want to get to the party again. So take some
notes and then at the bottom of the hour, we'll
(09:06):
open up the phones for Saint John Hunt. This goes
back to two thousand and seven, but it's just as
potent as it is as it was then when we
hear it now. And I think we should point out
that all this tape has been examined and historians have
gone through and vetted it, and as far as I know,
(09:29):
nobody has ever come out and released anything any analysis
of the tape that wasn't any worse than inconclusive. Do
you know if anybody who's come out and figured out
it's been you know, it's accurate, and it's it's you know,
he needs to take on his own and and he
(09:50):
fanancined me. And that's all been verified. Here we go,
let's play it again. This is the deathbed confession of
Saint John Hunt's father, E Howard Hunt, on host to
Coast Am. I heard from Frank that LBJ had designated
Cordbyer Junior to undertake a larger organization, or keeping it
(10:15):
totally secret. Cordbuyer himself was a rather favored member of
the Eastern aristocracy. He was a graduate of Yale University
and had joined the Marine Corps during the war and
(10:36):
lost an eye in the Pacific fighting. I think that
LBJ settled on Meyer as a as an opportunist parent
like himself, a parent and a man who had very
little left to him in life. Ever since JFK had
(11:00):
had taken Cord's wife as one of his mistresses, I
would suggest that Cordbuyer welcomed the approach from LBJ, who was,
after all, only the vice president at that time. Of course,
could not number Cordbyer long JFK's admirers. Quite the contrary.
(11:27):
After Dave Pelps I knew him pretty well at one
time he worked for me during the Guatemala project. He
had made himself useful to the agency in Santiago, Chile,
where he was an American businessman. In any case, his actions,
(11:48):
whatever they worked, came to the attention to the Santiago
station chief, and when his resume became known to people
in the Western Hemisphere Division, he was brought in to
(12:09):
work on Guatemala the operations, spurs and Morales and people
of that Yelk stayed in apartment houses during his preparations
for the big event, as their addresses were very subject
(12:33):
to change, so that Quera Fellow, like Willis, had been
one day, you not necessarily associated with that same address
in the following game, and short of was a very
mobile experience. Let me point out at this point that
(12:53):
if I had wanted to fictionalize what went on in
Miama and elsewhere during a ruma for the big event,
I would have done so. But I don't want any unreality.
The tinge and this particular a story or the information.
(13:16):
I should say I was a bench warmer on it,
and I had a reputation for honesty. I think it's
a sense of the refocus on what this information that
I've been providing you and you alone. By the way,
consists of What is important in the story is that
(13:40):
we've backtracked the chain of command up through through the
Cordmyer and laying me the doings at the doorstep of LBJ. He,
in my opinion, had a and almost maniacal urge to
(14:03):
become president. He regarded as JFK as a as he
was in fact an obstacle to achieving that. He could
have waited for JFK to finish out his term and
then undoubtedly a second term. So that would have put
the LBJ at the head of a long list of
(14:26):
people who were waiting for some change in the executive bridge.
As a sidebar, Saint John Hunt, who do you think
has it ever occurred to you who was who was
responsible for the death of Mary Pinshall Meyer. Um, I've
(14:49):
given it some thought, and I you know, I have
no evidence to suggest anything anyone in particular, but I
think it was a standalone operational group within the cia UH,
and it could have been an offshoot of their Operation
forty group which Bill Harvey started, which was a group
of assassins UH that went around the world internationally and
(15:12):
took care of various politicians, the presidents and such that
who's feelings weren't in line with the United States feelings. So, um,
you know, there there were these guys were lots and
loaded and ready to go after anybody you know that
was that was pointed to and say, yeah, you have
to get this lady her. She had the diary as
(15:33):
Maril Monroe had a diary that listed h JFK's drug
youth and Marilyn's diary listed to his involvement with her sexually.
And um, you know they were there to protect the
ideal of the presidency at the extent of the presidents. Um.
So I think it was a standalone group within the
(15:56):
CIA of highed assassins that had been wanting, you know,
globally active for years. Yeah, there's no doubt in my
mind that that's what it was. Your father refers to
himself as a bench warmer. Um, during the run up,
if he had been asked to be in Dallas, do
(16:19):
you they really begged him and said, look, dude, we
really need you there, would he have been there? And
he of course it's been long since disproven that he's
one of the quote three hoboes who was arrested that day,
But um, do you think he would have changed his mind,
you could, could anything have changed his mind? I don't know,
(16:42):
but I believe he was in Dallas that day. There
is a photographs of people walking across the street towards
the Grassy Knowl and it shows one gentleman in a
trench coat and had just like my mother had those items.
And I believe that him, although I had no way
to prove it. No one's disproved it either. And my
(17:05):
mother also mentioned to me at one point that that
Papa was in Dallas during that time, So you know,
it's pretty I think it's pretty obviously he did go
to Dallas just he was been the guy that knew
the escape routes, that had the codes for uh, you know,
calling people to you know, to clean up the operation
and that type of thing. I think he got sucked
(17:27):
into it more than he was willing to say on
that tape. Something that's part of the team as an
active member of the team, but that is sitting on
the sidelines waiting for his call. And I think he
was there in a sort of an active, semi inactive
role as someone that could be trusted because he did
say he was known for his honesty and his trustworthiness
(17:49):
and he was trusted by these people to carry out
this operation. Now, interestingly enough, a man has come forward,
Tosh Plumley, who was a pilot for the CIA in
the Miami UH sector and said that he flew my
father two dolls that day. So that's interesting, you know,
(18:11):
newer item that's come up, even though your father denied it. Yeah,
right interesting. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every
weeknight at one am Eastern and go to Coast to
Coast am dot com for more
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