September 7, 2025 • 13 mins
Guest host Rich Berra and writer Bret Lueder discuss the occult as a secret weapon in mankind's perpetual war for societal control.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
When we talk about magic, what is magic?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Magic is simply manifesting a desired outcome of a situation
or event or to create a thing. So just that's
a blanket across any tradition you want to study around
the world. They're trying to manifest the desired outcome, whether
that's talking to his spirits, trying to get the spirits
to show them favor, they're trying to get God to
(00:30):
pull them out of a storm.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Whatever that's been around forever.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Then, it's been around forever. It's it's the original way
that humans communicated, navigated, discerned, and manifested. And the three tools, intensions, symbols,
and rituals are the tools that we've.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Used since time immemorial to do this.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We're using them right now as I'm communicating. And but
there's a myriad of sophisticated ways to employ those three tools,
and public relations is one of them. And that's that's
how I tied public relations to the occult roots, because
it's the modern version, the pinnacle, if you will, of
(01:13):
using words, terms, and symbols to manifest the desired outcome
of control of populations around the world.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
If you think way back, I know, I'm putting you
on the spot here. Anything biblical or any other societal
thing can you think of, like the first PR message
that really stuck in society.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, well, if we go too far back, it's not
called PR at the time, but they called the propaganda. Okay,
But I mean you could make a taste that any
of the ancient texts could be considered PR documents.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I guess that's true because they're pushing a narrative.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
They're pushing their own narrative, that's right, And so whether
they're true or not is that it is debatable.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
If they're true, then that's.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Where I would say PR is used for benevolent good
ways to communicate to your brothers and sisters that hey,
this is the way to live, or this is the
way to protect yourself, and this is the way to
spirtually advance. But the same is true on the opposite.
You can easily deceive people with this, lie to them,
mislead them, lead them to treachery or to destruction using
(02:19):
the same tools.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So let's say you're a society like ancient Egypt, and
you've got your writings on the stone walls? Would you
want to do that to misleader? Are you trying to
tell your story and have it live on forever in
stone or are you laying down a thing like we
were such a cool society. You can't come close to us,
so don't even try. And here's why read the walls?
(02:43):
So is that what do you think it is?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
History is always written by the victors. True, it's all
History is always slanted. And so if they're writing stuff
in stone, I.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Think the big messages this is really instant.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Short so we're righting, we're putting it literally in stone.
I think that makes a big statement. But at the
same time, it depends on the intention of the beings
that are writing it. Were the Egyptians these advanced beings
like someone like William Henry would talk about that had
this advanced knowledge that's been kept away from society that
(03:20):
needs to be revealed for the healing and the offending
of society. Or are these beings demons like some camps
refer to them as because that's why they had the
animal heads of the different kinds, and and really they're
in league with with not so good beings and they're
leading humans astray and into uh servitude to be controlled.
(03:43):
So it just depends how you want to look at it.
It could go either way. I study both sides of it.
I look at this through.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
The lens of the book The Art of War by
Sun Suits.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Okay, if humanity has an enemy, this enemy supposedly you
know this global traditions of what are known as demons. Right, Egyptians,
those Egyptian gods, little g gods, or any gods from
the pantheons around the world have been likened to demons.
And other people say that's totally crazy. But I look
(04:16):
at it this way. If there are, if there's an
enemy to humanity that's thousands and thousands of years old,
they have much longer lifespan than us. It stands the
reason that they know us better than we know ourselves.
So with the basic tenets of the Art of war
is that if you have an opponent, whether it's in
warfare of love or business or just a friendly relationship,
(04:37):
you want to size up your opponents, see what their
strengths and weaknesses are. You want to block or attack
their or excuse me, block or usurp their strengths and
attack their weaknesses. And you know, as a soccer player
for forty plus years, I'd say that's exactly how you
win a soccer game. You don't want the fast guy
to get fast. You want to stop them from being
(04:58):
fast and make them do things see's not comfortable doing,
and that's how you win the game.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So, if this is true with humanity, that we've had
an enemy for thousands of thousand years, it stands to
reason that they would usurp every single thing that is
positive for humanity and make it their own, so that
you block humanity from reaching back to the source and
reaching knowledge of who they are and what their true
powers are, and then you attack their weaknesses. And so
(05:25):
I think it's very possible that all these gods, whoever
they are, whatever kind of beings they are, after ancient
aliens or whatever, these beings have been usurped at this
stage and very likely are not who they claim to be.
So like when're you're channeling something and people will say, oh, well,
I channel this, and I can tell I feel the
(05:48):
love from this. Well, the technology exists to make a
human beings feel loved even by our own modern technology standards, right,
But beings that are thousands of thousand years old. They
have super mental powers. Contactees will tell you that the
aliens that they're talking about, if they're truly aliens, have
super mental powers and can like hypnotize or or enter
(06:10):
the dream state and influence you. So so it stands
the reason to me that at least some of what
we call the gods, including Egyptian gods, have been who served.
At least it's possible. And I know I do a
big lecture on this, the crossover routine aliens and demons.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I just can ask you that, let's uhick can is
there a crossover?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Absolutely as a crossover. And the biggest example I like
to use is the is the hot Babe Semiace from
the Billy Myers story and from the Keys of Enoch
with with jjon desert Hertak from doctor Fred Bell's Raise
a True Crystal of Light book all great works. Billy
Myer case, super interesting case. But that name is is
(06:58):
a very curious name. And I found it in the
Book of Enoch and Semyasse as they pronounced it. It's
spelled se n j A s E. In the Book
of Enoch, it's called Somyaza, And that's the leader of
the fallen angels. So I'm looking at the building minor
chase from this biblical perspective and then applying contracts and
(07:24):
rituals like I like to do. We haven't really talked
about the shet, but spells and contracts are really the
same thing. Spell is a form of a contract and
they operate with the same rules. And what you do
with the contract is you make an offer and then
the offer ee has a chance to respond in one
of four ways. You can agree with the offer, you
can argue with the offer. You can stay silent to
(07:46):
the offer. All three of those give the green light
for the contract to commence.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
If you're quiet, if you don't protest it, and you
just doesn't say anything, you have agreed.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You can protest it, yes, but that's technically not an
honor that what you want to do is not protest,
but you want to counter offer. And that's always the
position of power and strength, which is the same in
contract in business, it's the same in magic. So if
when I look at Samyace and her presentation, look she's
coming bearing gifts of consciousness, rangs and pollution cleans on earth, disease,
(08:21):
cheering and whatnot high technology like anti gravity mechanisms. They're shits.
She's coming bearing gifts and this is what they say
about Lucifer is going to appear as an angel of
light in the Bible. And so I look at all
this with snase and I think, Okay, she's making an
offer to contract that she's actually telling us who she is.
(08:42):
She's saying, I'm the leader of the fallen Angels. Here's
a bunch of gifts. What do you guys do? How
do you guys respond? Right now, most of humanity doesn't
know about it, so we're staying silent, but many of
the people that do know about it are agreeing with
it because, oh, look at all these gifts that we're getting. Right,
But I look at this as she's telling us who
she is. She's really the leader of the falling angels.
(09:05):
She's really appearing like an angel life she's supposed to.
This beautiful woman long lives right and sets this poor
farmer down. He probably didn't stand a chance. He probably
hasn't seen a woman's bell ball and don't knows how
long and just completely just gets him mesmerized and lays
this whole story on him. I've gone back and forth
(09:26):
with Michael Horn on this because he's of the opponent.
I know he's been a coast coast before. He's of
the opinion that Billy Myer is the only true contacting
on Earth. And you know that's just rich. I've talked
to so many contactings. I just don't see how that possible,
and all these fastage to put together. There's so many more.
(09:46):
I can talk about billiy Myer case for a long time.
This is either the biggest cosmic pr gas in Earth history,
where supposedly that vance Ray sends a representative to Earth
to help Earth and they choose the name of one
of the most notorious figures in Earth history. That's just stupid.
(10:09):
I mean, you could have chose any other name. Why
not choose Steam or Betty. I mean those would be
better than Simiance. So I don't think that that's actually
a pr gas. I think they're really it's an.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Offer to Concert.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
They're really telling us who who she is, and they're
waiting to see how Earth responds. They have a four
waist respond right, And so that would be my prime
example of how there's a crossover routine angels and demons
or between aliens and aliens and demons.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yet so you're you're bringing me to other kind of
modern day things I'm thinking of, you know, like Robert
Johnson at the Crossroads d And when you say the contract,
the you know, the the blues player who got really
good at guitar like overnight because allegedly there was a
deal with a devil. A contract in all the things
you're saying have to be true. At some point you
(10:59):
have to be willing acceptance of that contract, and then
you kind of don't. You have to kind of have
signs of laying it out there. You have to say
what you are, You have to say what you've done
and is that happening still.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
The four elements of a contract that must be there
is full disclosure. All participants have to have the ramifications
of the proposed contract expressed to them in a clear form.
There has to be consideration, which is a fair exchange
of good services or performance. There must be acceptance with a.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Verbal written or by performance.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And there must be a meeting of the minds, where
by the parties, like you're saying, must understand what they're
agreeing to. And without that in law down here on earth,
in the earthly realm. Without those four elements being proven,
you're going to lose your case that you have a
contract with a business partner. And so as above, so below,
it's the same thing above as it is down here.
(11:59):
So let's just you know, people say, well, they have
to tell us something when they're talking about the cabal
with the vaccines maybe or with with assets of law
or stuff that's in the media. They have to tell us,
but they don't say why they have to tell us
because of this notion of contracts. They need us to
agree to this stuff so they can the powers that
(12:22):
be that are trying to consult humanity can get around
the biggest universal law, free will, once they get us
to agree to the stuff by telling us. And they
don't have to tell us out outright, because if they
tell us out right, most intelligent people are not going
to agree to participate. Like when I talk about my
book how society itself is a magical ritual designed to
(12:43):
manifest an outcome for them, the creators of society, the
creators of the societal rituals, and it's not conducive to
our health and longevity.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It's human humans.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
But if they tell us straight out, we're not going
to agree to do it, or we're going to fight.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, who would take that deal? Tell us?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
So, they tell us in ways that satisfy the universal
as as will, but are not really open to us.
And that's where thick books come in that most people
don't read.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
When we talk about magic, what is magic?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Magic is simply manifesting a desired outcome of a situation
or event or to create a thing. So just that's
a blanket across any tradition you want to study around
the world. They're trying to manifest the desired outcome, whether
that's talking to his spirits, trying to get the spirits
to show them favor, they're trying to get God to
(00:30):
pull them out of a storm.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Whatever that's been around forever.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Then, it's been around forever. It's it's the original way
that humans communicated, navigated, discerned, and manifested. And the three tools, intensions, symbols,
and rituals are the tools that we've.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Used since time immemorial to do this.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We're using them right now as I'm communicating. And but
there's a myriad of sophisticated ways to employ those three tools,
and public relations is one of them. And that's that's
how I tied public relations to the occult roots, because
it's the modern version, the pinnacle, if you will, of
(01:13):
using words, terms, and symbols to manifest the desired outcome
of control of populations around the world.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
If you think way back, I know, I'm putting you
on the spot here. Anything biblical or any other societal
thing can you think of, like the first PR message
that really stuck in society.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, well, if we go too far back, it's not
called PR at the time, but they called the propaganda. Okay,
But I mean you could make a taste that any
of the ancient texts could be considered PR documents.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I guess that's true because they're pushing a narrative.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
They're pushing their own narrative, that's right, And so whether
they're true or not is that it is debatable.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
If they're true, then that's.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Where I would say PR is used for benevolent good
ways to communicate to your brothers and sisters that hey,
this is the way to live, or this is the
way to protect yourself, and this is the way to
spirtually advance. But the same is true on the opposite.
You can easily deceive people with this, lie to them,
mislead them, lead them to treachery or to destruction using
(02:19):
the same tools.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So let's say you're a society like ancient Egypt, and
you've got your writings on the stone walls? Would you
want to do that to misleader? Are you trying to
tell your story and have it live on forever in
stone or are you laying down a thing like we
were such a cool society. You can't come close to us,
so don't even try. And here's why read the walls?
(02:43):
So is that what do you think it is?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
History is always written by the victors. True, it's all
History is always slanted. And so if they're writing stuff
in stone, I.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Think the big messages this is really instant.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Short so we're righting, we're putting it literally in stone.
I think that makes a big statement. But at the
same time, it depends on the intention of the beings
that are writing it. Were the Egyptians these advanced beings
like someone like William Henry would talk about that had
this advanced knowledge that's been kept away from society that
(03:20):
needs to be revealed for the healing and the offending
of society. Or are these beings demons like some camps
refer to them as because that's why they had the
animal heads of the different kinds, and and really they're
in league with with not so good beings and they're
leading humans astray and into uh servitude to be controlled.
(03:43):
So it just depends how you want to look at it.
It could go either way. I study both sides of it.
I look at this through.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
The lens of the book The Art of War by
Sun Suits.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Okay, if humanity has an enemy, this enemy supposedly you
know this global traditions of what are known as demons. Right, Egyptians,
those Egyptian gods, little g gods, or any gods from
the pantheons around the world have been likened to demons.
And other people say that's totally crazy. But I look
(04:16):
at it this way. If there are, if there's an
enemy to humanity that's thousands and thousands of years old,
they have much longer lifespan than us. It stands the
reason that they know us better than we know ourselves.
So with the basic tenets of the Art of war
is that if you have an opponent, whether it's in
warfare of love or business or just a friendly relationship,
(04:37):
you want to size up your opponents, see what their
strengths and weaknesses are. You want to block or attack
their or excuse me, block or usurp their strengths and
attack their weaknesses. And you know, as a soccer player
for forty plus years, I'd say that's exactly how you
win a soccer game. You don't want the fast guy
to get fast. You want to stop them from being
(04:58):
fast and make them do things see's not comfortable doing,
and that's how you win the game.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So, if this is true with humanity, that we've had
an enemy for thousands of thousand years, it stands to
reason that they would usurp every single thing that is
positive for humanity and make it their own, so that
you block humanity from reaching back to the source and
reaching knowledge of who they are and what their true
powers are, and then you attack their weaknesses. And so
(05:25):
I think it's very possible that all these gods, whoever
they are, whatever kind of beings they are, after ancient
aliens or whatever, these beings have been usurped at this
stage and very likely are not who they claim to be.
So like when're you're channeling something and people will say, oh, well,
I channel this, and I can tell I feel the
(05:48):
love from this. Well, the technology exists to make a
human beings feel loved even by our own modern technology standards, right,
But beings that are thousands of thousand years old. They
have super mental powers. Contactees will tell you that the
aliens that they're talking about, if they're truly aliens, have
super mental powers and can like hypnotize or or enter
(06:10):
the dream state and influence you. So so it stands
the reason to me that at least some of what
we call the gods, including Egyptian gods, have been who served.
At least it's possible. And I know I do a
big lecture on this, the crossover routine aliens and demons.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I just can ask you that, let's uhick can is
there a crossover?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Absolutely as a crossover. And the biggest example I like
to use is the is the hot Babe Semiace from
the Billy Myers story and from the Keys of Enoch
with with jjon desert Hertak from doctor Fred Bell's Raise
a True Crystal of Light book all great works. Billy
Myer case, super interesting case. But that name is is
(06:58):
a very curious name. And I found it in the
Book of Enoch and Semyasse as they pronounced it. It's
spelled se n j A s E. In the Book
of Enoch, it's called Somyaza, And that's the leader of
the fallen angels. So I'm looking at the building minor
chase from this biblical perspective and then applying contracts and
(07:24):
rituals like I like to do. We haven't really talked
about the shet, but spells and contracts are really the
same thing. Spell is a form of a contract and
they operate with the same rules. And what you do
with the contract is you make an offer and then
the offer ee has a chance to respond in one
of four ways. You can agree with the offer, you
can argue with the offer. You can stay silent to
(07:46):
the offer. All three of those give the green light
for the contract to commence.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
If you're quiet, if you don't protest it, and you
just doesn't say anything, you have agreed.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You can protest it, yes, but that's technically not an
honor that what you want to do is not protest,
but you want to counter offer. And that's always the
position of power and strength, which is the same in
contract in business, it's the same in magic. So if
when I look at Samyace and her presentation, look she's
coming bearing gifts of consciousness, rangs and pollution cleans on earth, disease,
(08:21):
cheering and whatnot high technology like anti gravity mechanisms. They're shits.
She's coming bearing gifts and this is what they say
about Lucifer is going to appear as an angel of
light in the Bible. And so I look at all
this with snase and I think, Okay, she's making an
offer to contract that she's actually telling us who she is.
(08:42):
She's saying, I'm the leader of the fallen Angels. Here's
a bunch of gifts. What do you guys do? How
do you guys respond? Right now, most of humanity doesn't
know about it, so we're staying silent, but many of
the people that do know about it are agreeing with
it because, oh, look at all these gifts that we're getting. Right,
But I look at this as she's telling us who
she is. She's really the leader of the falling angels.
(09:05):
She's really appearing like an angel life she's supposed to.
This beautiful woman long lives right and sets this poor
farmer down. He probably didn't stand a chance. He probably
hasn't seen a woman's bell ball and don't knows how
long and just completely just gets him mesmerized and lays
this whole story on him. I've gone back and forth
(09:26):
with Michael Horn on this because he's of the opponent.
I know he's been a coast coast before. He's of
the opinion that Billy Myer is the only true contacting
on Earth. And you know that's just rich. I've talked
to so many contactings. I just don't see how that possible,
and all these fastage to put together. There's so many more.
(09:46):
I can talk about billiy Myer case for a long time.
This is either the biggest cosmic pr gas in Earth history,
where supposedly that vance Ray sends a representative to Earth
to help Earth and they choose the name of one
of the most notorious figures in Earth history. That's just stupid.
(10:09):
I mean, you could have chose any other name. Why
not choose Steam or Betty. I mean those would be
better than Simiance. So I don't think that that's actually
a pr gas. I think they're really it's an.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Offer to Concert.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
They're really telling us who who she is, and they're
waiting to see how Earth responds. They have a four
waist respond right, And so that would be my prime
example of how there's a crossover routine angels and demons
or between aliens and aliens and demons.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yet so you're you're bringing me to other kind of
modern day things I'm thinking of, you know, like Robert
Johnson at the Crossroads d And when you say the contract,
the you know, the the blues player who got really
good at guitar like overnight because allegedly there was a
deal with a devil. A contract in all the things
you're saying have to be true. At some point you
(10:59):
have to be willing acceptance of that contract, and then
you kind of don't. You have to kind of have
signs of laying it out there. You have to say
what you are, You have to say what you've done
and is that happening still.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
The four elements of a contract that must be there
is full disclosure. All participants have to have the ramifications
of the proposed contract expressed to them in a clear form.
There has to be consideration, which is a fair exchange
of good services or performance. There must be acceptance with a.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Verbal written or by performance.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And there must be a meeting of the minds, where
by the parties, like you're saying, must understand what they're
agreeing to. And without that in law down here on earth,
in the earthly realm. Without those four elements being proven,
you're going to lose your case that you have a
contract with a business partner. And so as above, so below,
it's the same thing above as it is down here.
(11:59):
So let's just you know, people say, well, they have
to tell us something when they're talking about the cabal
with the vaccines maybe or with with assets of law
or stuff that's in the media. They have to tell us,
but they don't say why they have to tell us
because of this notion of contracts. They need us to
agree to this stuff so they can the powers that
(12:22):
be that are trying to consult humanity can get around
the biggest universal law, free will, once they get us
to agree to the stuff by telling us. And they
don't have to tell us out outright, because if they
tell us out right, most intelligent people are not going
to agree to participate. Like when I talk about my
book how society itself is a magical ritual designed to
(12:43):
manifest an outcome for them, the creators of society, the
creators of the societal rituals, and it's not conducive to
our health and longevity.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It's human humans.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
But if they tell us straight out, we're not going
to agree to do it, or we're going to fight.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, who would take that deal? Tell us?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
So, they tell us in ways that satisfy the universal
as as will, but are not really open to us.
And that's where thick books come in that most people
don't read.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
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