December 19, 2025 • 18 mins
George Noory and radio personality Trapper Jack recount stories of angelic encounters and miracle healings, his on air debate with comedian George Carlin about religious faith, and how the universe and the human body prove there is an intelligent creator.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,
Ohio Radio Hall of Famer Trapper Jack with Us, also
known as Philip Keller, left mainstream media back in twenty
twelve and began sharing his faiths through podcasting and now
hosts a show called Touch by Heaven. He feels that
God is obviously trying to get our attention through the miracles,
(00:25):
and those are the stories he shares. Trapper who is
legally blind and as his wife Beth, who claims does
about ninety nine percent of the work, deeply involved in
their community and their church. They have been married for
more than thirty years and have two adult children as well.
And he was a giant still is in the Cleveland market.
(00:45):
Trapper Jack, welcome. It's my honor to have you on
the show. Merry Christmas, George, you too, my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Have you been I'm doing okay after listening to that
ad a little earlier, identity Theft, It's still me. I'm
still Trapper. I checked my ID. I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
How long have you been visually impaired?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It started happening at age thirteen, it's called retina as
pigment toad. So seven kids in the family, three of
us got this, one totally blind. Two of us are
legally blind. And if you're going to be blind, please
be legally blind. I always say, Apparently there are marauding
gangs of illegally blind people out there and they must
be stopped. So about age thirteen, I start losing night vision,
(01:26):
peripheral vision. I don't know what's going on. And then
at age nineteen I found out it had a name.
Until then, it was just kind of literally in the dark.
And then so it's kind of the vision. It's kind
of slowly departed over the years, but I still got
a little itty bitty bit. You still look handsome as ever, George.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Thank you again. Age has been good to me.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Trapper. Yeah, radio faces here talking to each other, right,
So let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's an honor having you on the program. My Hall
of Fame, buddy, and good for you thirty years in
Cleveland radio.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Right, I did twenty five years here, and so many
of those was going to go into the station early
morning morning drive and listening to you. You are the guy,
and you're still the guy. You're still the guy. So
it's an honor to be here, really is George, Well,
we've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
How did the spirituality thing happen for you?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You know, I'm still picturing the day ass about eighteen
years old. You know, I grew up Catholic, went to
all the schooling, did all the stuff right, sacraments, all
that kind of stuff, And at age eighteen, I'm telling
my dad. I said, you know, I'm not going to
Mass tomorrow, Dad, because it's boring and I'm not getting
anything out of it. And he said, well, if you're
not going to Mass, then you're not living under my roof.
(02:39):
And I hated it so much I left. I left
the house I at eighteen. At eighteen, I left to
go live in a cheap apartment rather than have to
spend one hour at Mass. That's how disconnected, how boring
I thought God was. Not that I didn't believe in him,
I just thought he was pretty boring subject matter. And
(03:00):
then time passes. About thirty years later is when I
suddenly realized that, oh he is still here and he's
still doing stuff. And it just took. It just took
watching people pray and miracles happening looking at our lady Guadeloupe,
and all the images in that and all this, all
the miracles in that eucharistic miracles were consecrated. Bread turns
(03:24):
into heart tissue left ventricle type ab every time, every
time there's a miracle like that. And I suddenly realized.
And I was sitting in this room. I was sitting
in this room, and I was buzzing. This was the
year two thousand and I was literally just buzzing, going
what is this? Because every everything I thought was true
isn't He was just so here, right, And so I
(03:47):
grabbed the Bible, which was here somewhere, and and I
just flipped it open and stuck my finger in there.
I didn't know I was playing Bible roulette, and I
landed on Psalm forty, and Psalm forty says, I cried
out to you God, and you stooped over and plucked
me out of the muck and put me on firm
ground and steadied me a f A new song in
my throat for others to hear and be affected by.
(04:08):
And I've been singing that song ever since. I can't
shut up about everything I'm witnessing with angel encounters and
divine intervention and near death experiences and prophetic dreams and
visions and all these things that I talk to people
about every week. We started Touched by Heaven seven and
a half years ago, and every week there's a new story.
We're about ready to hit episode four hundred of just
these incredible miracle stories and counter stories. And when you
(04:31):
have encounter, as you know, as you know, George, when
you have encounter, then comes repentance and then comes mission.
And I'm kind of on one.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And they're real stories, which is just enlightening and amazing,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, And that's the thing that amazes people When I
tell people stories. It's one thing, but when they hear
the episodeset Touched by Heaven and they hear the they
hear the passion of the person and the truthfulness of
the person, they know it's real. And that's the idea
is it's either confirm our faith or maybe bring you
back to it. I was brought back to it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I was like you. I was raised Catholic, went to
Catechism classes every week, went to church with my parents.
But you know, I would sit in church trapper and
I would hear the priest talking in Latin and it
was way over my head. I couldn't get it, and
I kept saying, on my folks, I don't understand what
they're talking about. What are they doing? And then why
(05:23):
do I my non Catholic friends didn't have to go
to confession every week like I did? Why do I
have to sit in the little booth and tell some
priests things that I did when my friends don't have
to go and they're going to get to heaven. And
I started fading away very spiritual. But I got away
from the church like you did, and I came back
(05:45):
to Catholic. I never I never went away from Catholic.
I didn't see anything better out there, if you will.
And actually I actually love the confessional. Now that may
sound really kind of weird, but it's just it's better
than seeing a shrink.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I'm telling you. It's just amazing that what gets unloaded there.
So I think I think that's pretty cool. But to
your point of you know, the Latin is now is
now English unless you want to go to a Latin mass,
of course, so you can certainly understand it. But I'm
old enough also to remember Latin masses when that was
the daily or the or the weekly thing to do.
(06:18):
And then I just I just found out that all
those mysteries started kind of opening up. But it took
so long. I was almost it was almost fifty years
old before I realized that all these things that we
read about in the Bible are still happening today. You
read about angels still happening today. You know, the near
death experiences I think are amazing in how they tell
(06:40):
us about there as an afterlife. Don't you agree with that?
I mean, you're hearing these things all the time too.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Absolutely. Now did you talk about any of this on
your radio shows in Cleveland when you were on the
ear the.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Last several years. I started opening it up to that,
and you know, it drove management nuts, but the ratings
were always so good. They couldn't just like say goodbye,
stop it because it worked. It worked, and it was honest,
you know, it was honest. I remember one time I
was I had George Carlin on the air, comedian George Carlin, right,
I love that, and he was he was a tremendous comedian.
(07:10):
We used to, you know, give away tickets to a show,
go to a show's used to be on a regular basis,
and he was promoting some movie. But it was such
a bizarre case. We're talking to each other and he
just sounded angry. But you know, he always was kind
of the angry comedian, but funny, right, there was no funny.
He was just ticked at the world, ticked at the America.
(07:32):
It was just this swirling black goo going down the
drain that is American. I mean, he was just berating
America and everything. And I said, George, what what are
you angry at? And then he started getting angry at me,
and he starts to go, oh, don't try to psychoanalyze me.
I'm way above you, pale, and I'm going okay, And
somewhere along the way he kind of caught on that
(07:53):
I that I come from faith, and he said, don't
tell me that you you pray to that invisible man
in the sky and I said yeah every day, and
he goes, I thought you people in Cleveland were smarter
than that, you know. So now he's reving up, right,
he's just reving up, and I'm just I'm trying. I'm
trying to I'm trying to be nice, George, you know,
I'm trying to be nice and he's just angry. And
(08:14):
I said, how do you explain this, George? Is that
a church just this past Sunday, there's a woman in
a wheelchair, been in a wheelchair for quite a while,
and I saw people praying over here her. And there's
a before and after because I knew her before. And
she came out of the wheelchair and started walking. And
I had her come up to the pulpit to tell
(08:34):
her story about how she was standing on a footstool
and her dog ran through the kitchen and took the
footstool out and down she went and blam on her back.
And she's been paralyzed ever since. I said, George, I
saw people pray and she came out of the wheelchair
through prayer. And he said, are you trying to tell
me that some people, some people's prayers are more powerful
(08:57):
than others. And I said, just like some people are
funny than others. Ye, for whatever the reason, right, So
he's just he's just you know, And I just said, George,
I said, just God bless you. I said, somebody else
now sets the bar for me, or where where the
standard is, and it's higher than maybe where you say,
or I don't know, but God bless you and goodbye.
(09:21):
And uh, I don't know if anybody's ever hung up
on George Carlin before. But it was like I was done,
you know, I was done. But what was interesting is
that that woman who had the had the paralysis. There
was a local news man, Ted Henry, who did a
week long series on the miracles that were associated with
a local doctor here and he showed he showed the
(09:46):
the X rays of the the bar that was in
her back. What happened was she had these bars in
her back to try to get her to stand up,
and the prayer had actually bent the bar, which was
pinching a nerve and that's why she was still stuck
in the chair. And so once that bar got bent
the other way through prayer, she came out of the wheelchair.
(10:07):
I mean, you just can't make this stuff up. This,
this is what brought me back. This is what brought
me back.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And Carlin's been dead. Carlin's been dead seventeen years. I
wonder if he knows now what.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You were trying, knows a lot more now, he knows
a lot more. Yeah, I think we get a quick education. Yeah,
because there is an afterlife. You know that you've had
You know, it's funny. You know, you and I have
talked before about how God's the original paranormal. I don't
think there's anyone on the planet who's heard more paranormal
stories than you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Is there, You're right, not at this point, are.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
For a while, but now we passed him up, you know,
I mean from every direction you've you've heard it, you've
heard it. I'm sure you buy some. I'm sure some
you don't. But you are the impeccable host with nothing
but kindness. So and those of us who have been
guests on your show appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I can't understand Trapper why it is what it is,
but I do believe it is, and that's the thing
I'm trying to seek that answer. I want to know
what God is. I'm a believer.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I want to know how it started.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I still can't have a scientist on the air to
explain what the Big Bang is. They can't tell me.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
No, there's a little speck that suddenly explodes, and suddenly
we have all these galaxies out there, and it's all theory.
You know, it's all theory. And look at look at
how often science is wrong. First, they're thinking that the
galaxies are static, they're just sitting there. Oh no, no, no,
there was a bang and they're all being pushed out,
which means they're going to slow down and then be
pulled back in and then that speck again. Then they
find out no, it's speeding up. The galaxies are speeding
(11:42):
up and flying away from each other faster and faster,
which makes no sense unless there's another force from the outside, right,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And then we happen to have life everywhere in the universe.
What's it all about, elfie?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Was it all about? And how did there's somebody had
to put all that stuff out there? You know that
stuff came from somewhere. You walk, you're in your you're
in there in the on air studio there, and you
see look around, you see microphones, you see gear, you
see somebody put it there. And so when you look
around this universe, somebody put it there. It didn't just
show up.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
On its own, right, And it's so methodical. Look at
the human look at the human body. We've got ears
to hear, we've got eyes to see, Thank God to
some of us.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Why do you have taste buds. There's absolutely no reason
why you should have taste buds unless somebody likes you
and one and a nose and a nose. But I'm
always amazed by things like taste buds, just like don't
have to be there. They don't have to be there.
You can just eat because you have to eat. No,
somebody wants you to enjoy food.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And you've got arms to do things, legs to move around.
I mean, who would.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Think that through I know, two eyes so you can
see distance, you know, you have to figure out how
far something is away. Just craziness, you know, it's craziness.
Little little hair on top, you still got some, you know,
to kind of keep a little warm, you know. Tell
us about your podcast, Touch by Hell, Touch by Heaven,
every Day Encounters with God. And I've been taken been
(13:11):
talking to people about you name it, you know, near
death experiences, whatever I'm trying to think. Want me just
throw a story at you, see.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'll take one.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Sure. I think we had Stephen Boyle on he's been
kind of making the rounds with his NDE. A couple
of things that he pointed out that I think A
really interesting one is that he's walked walking around in
heaven and a little kid walks up and says, I
think you're my dad, And he says, what's your name?
He says, I'm Dan, Daniel, I'm Daniel. He says, well,
(13:40):
my wife was pregnant. We were going to call if
it was a boy. We were going to call the child. Daniel.
Is that you? And he says, that's me. I'm growing
up here in heaven. It just points out, and I've
heard this from so many people who've had this experience,
women in particular, course, when they have miscarriages, the child
goes to heaven and the child is growing up in heaven,
(14:01):
because so many of these near death experiences involve the
women meeting the child in heaven as there as they're
growing up. And whether that's through miscarriage, abortion doesn't matter.
The child is up there waiting for us. He's waiting,
you know, they're waiting for us. And we've had a
couple of miscarriages, and I'm just you know, sometimes you
want to you want to name those children because they
(14:21):
need a name, and they're growing up in heaven and
you're going to meet them later on. So I believe
that the other thing that was interesting about his case.
His angel took him into the throne room or the
Father and Jesus are there, and they kneel down on
the door, of course, and then the angel shoves Stephen
towards the throne to where God and Father and Jesus are,
(14:43):
and Jesus walked up to him and they had a conversation.
But on the way out, Steve said to his angel,
what was that? Why are you shoving me? And he says,
I'm an angel, I'm a servant, you're his, You're the
father's son. You're an adopted son, as the Bible says.
And if you know you history, you know that in
Roman days, when you adopted a child, that was more
(15:05):
firm than having a child. You could take your own
child and throw them, throw them away. I don't know,
I wanted a girl and I got a boy, whatever
the other way around, or your limbs, whatever, you can
throw your child away, but when you adopted a child,
you could not get out of that arrangement. And so
when the Bible says we are his adopted children, that
means there's no way out. He is totally all in
(15:28):
on us, and he's not letting go.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
In your podcast, what stories come up the most after that.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Angel stories, Angels taking steering wheels, angels, Let's see how
much tangus you can take. My check, you're on. You're
on for an hour and a half to go, i know,
before breaks and things like that. I'm just trying to
think of a recent angel story that was in particular.
Here's one. Woman's name is Teresa. This is just kind
(16:00):
of a little story which I found so interesting. She's
with a friend in Chicago. They're they're at a they're
having lunch together in a restaurant and they are laughing
and they're and they're just eating and so it's kind
of a case where you're eating fast and you're laughing
and you're throwing food in your mouth. And she starts
she chokes on a on a French fry and she's
just and she's just hacking a coffin and it's like,
oh my gosh, and she needs to get somebody's attention
(16:23):
because it's Heimlich time. She is she's about ready to
pass out. And she stands up and she's waving and
she realizes that the room is still nobody's moving. Her
friend at the table isn't moving. Everything has come to
this silent stop. She feels a arm around her shoulder
and a voice that says, you have a little air
(16:46):
in there. You're okay. You're breathing too fast. Take a
sip of water, You're okay. She looks down. There's no
nobody next to her. She doesn't see feet, she doesn't
see shoes, she doesn't see pants. She just has a
voice and an arm around her guiding her through this
(17:06):
moment where time seems to have stood still. And she's
slowly working this burning French fry down down her throat
and sipping water and as she's fine, and this voice
is still going, that's it, you're getting there, your fine
guy voice. And then she slowly sits down at the
table where she was with her friend. The volume comes
(17:28):
back up in the room. Everybody, all the noise is
starting to be made. Her friend kind of comes to also,
and Teresa looks at her friend and says, what was that?
And she goes, I don't know, he said, do you
do you see me choking? Kind of but it's like
this moment that just stood still for the angel to help.
(17:48):
Teresa got through it and now we move on. I
love it, but I hear those those kinds of angel
stories all the time, all the time.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,
Ohio Radio Hall of Famer Trapper Jack with Us, also
known as Philip Keller, left mainstream media back in twenty
twelve and began sharing his faiths through podcasting and now
hosts a show called Touch by Heaven. He feels that
God is obviously trying to get our attention through the miracles,
(00:25):
and those are the stories he shares. Trapper who is
legally blind and as his wife Beth, who claims does
about ninety nine percent of the work, deeply involved in
their community and their church. They have been married for
more than thirty years and have two adult children as well.
And he was a giant still is in the Cleveland market.
(00:45):
Trapper Jack, welcome. It's my honor to have you on
the show. Merry Christmas, George, you too, my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Have you been I'm doing okay after listening to that
ad a little earlier, identity Theft, It's still me. I'm
still Trapper. I checked my ID. I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
How long have you been visually impaired?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It started happening at age thirteen, it's called retina as
pigment toad. So seven kids in the family, three of
us got this, one totally blind. Two of us are
legally blind. And if you're going to be blind, please
be legally blind. I always say, Apparently there are marauding
gangs of illegally blind people out there and they must
be stopped. So about age thirteen, I start losing night vision,
(01:26):
peripheral vision. I don't know what's going on. And then
at age nineteen I found out it had a name.
Until then, it was just kind of literally in the dark.
And then so it's kind of the vision. It's kind
of slowly departed over the years, but I still got
a little itty bitty bit. You still look handsome as ever, George.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Thank you again. Age has been good to me.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Trapper. Yeah, radio faces here talking to each other, right,
So let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's an honor having you on the program. My Hall
of Fame, buddy, and good for you thirty years in
Cleveland radio.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Right, I did twenty five years here, and so many
of those was going to go into the station early
morning morning drive and listening to you. You are the guy,
and you're still the guy. You're still the guy. So
it's an honor to be here, really is George, Well,
we've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
How did the spirituality thing happen for you?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You know, I'm still picturing the day ass about eighteen
years old. You know, I grew up Catholic, went to
all the schooling, did all the stuff right, sacraments, all
that kind of stuff, And at age eighteen, I'm telling
my dad. I said, you know, I'm not going to
Mass tomorrow, Dad, because it's boring and I'm not getting
anything out of it. And he said, well, if you're
not going to Mass, then you're not living under my roof.
(02:39):
And I hated it so much I left. I left
the house I at eighteen. At eighteen, I left to
go live in a cheap apartment rather than have to
spend one hour at Mass. That's how disconnected, how boring
I thought God was. Not that I didn't believe in him,
I just thought he was pretty boring subject matter. And
(03:00):
then time passes. About thirty years later is when I
suddenly realized that, oh he is still here and he's
still doing stuff. And it just took. It just took
watching people pray and miracles happening looking at our lady Guadeloupe,
and all the images in that and all this, all
the miracles in that eucharistic miracles were consecrated. Bread turns
(03:24):
into heart tissue left ventricle type ab every time, every
time there's a miracle like that. And I suddenly realized.
And I was sitting in this room. I was sitting
in this room, and I was buzzing. This was the
year two thousand and I was literally just buzzing, going
what is this? Because every everything I thought was true
isn't He was just so here, right, And so I
(03:47):
grabbed the Bible, which was here somewhere, and and I
just flipped it open and stuck my finger in there.
I didn't know I was playing Bible roulette, and I
landed on Psalm forty, and Psalm forty says, I cried
out to you God, and you stooped over and plucked
me out of the muck and put me on firm
ground and steadied me a f A new song in
my throat for others to hear and be affected by.
(04:08):
And I've been singing that song ever since. I can't
shut up about everything I'm witnessing with angel encounters and
divine intervention and near death experiences and prophetic dreams and
visions and all these things that I talk to people
about every week. We started Touched by Heaven seven and
a half years ago, and every week there's a new story.
We're about ready to hit episode four hundred of just
these incredible miracle stories and counter stories. And when you
(04:31):
have encounter, as you know, as you know, George, when
you have encounter, then comes repentance and then comes mission.
And I'm kind of on one.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And they're real stories, which is just enlightening and amazing,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, And that's the thing that amazes people When I
tell people stories. It's one thing, but when they hear
the episodeset Touched by Heaven and they hear the they
hear the passion of the person and the truthfulness of
the person, they know it's real. And that's the idea
is it's either confirm our faith or maybe bring you
back to it. I was brought back to it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I was like you. I was raised Catholic, went to
Catechism classes every week, went to church with my parents.
But you know, I would sit in church trapper and
I would hear the priest talking in Latin and it
was way over my head. I couldn't get it, and
I kept saying, on my folks, I don't understand what
they're talking about. What are they doing? And then why
(05:23):
do I my non Catholic friends didn't have to go
to confession every week like I did? Why do I
have to sit in the little booth and tell some
priests things that I did when my friends don't have
to go and they're going to get to heaven. And
I started fading away very spiritual. But I got away
from the church like you did, and I came back
(05:45):
to Catholic. I never I never went away from Catholic.
I didn't see anything better out there, if you will.
And actually I actually love the confessional. Now that may
sound really kind of weird, but it's just it's better
than seeing a shrink.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I'm telling you. It's just amazing that what gets unloaded there.
So I think I think that's pretty cool. But to
your point of you know, the Latin is now is
now English unless you want to go to a Latin mass,
of course, so you can certainly understand it. But I'm
old enough also to remember Latin masses when that was
the daily or the or the weekly thing to do.
(06:18):
And then I just I just found out that all
those mysteries started kind of opening up. But it took
so long. I was almost it was almost fifty years
old before I realized that all these things that we
read about in the Bible are still happening today. You
read about angels still happening today. You know, the near
death experiences I think are amazing in how they tell
(06:40):
us about there as an afterlife. Don't you agree with that?
I mean, you're hearing these things all the time too.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Absolutely. Now did you talk about any of this on
your radio shows in Cleveland when you were on the
ear the.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Last several years. I started opening it up to that,
and you know, it drove management nuts, but the ratings
were always so good. They couldn't just like say goodbye,
stop it because it worked. It worked, and it was honest,
you know, it was honest. I remember one time I
was I had George Carlin on the air, comedian George Carlin, right,
I love that, and he was he was a tremendous comedian.
(07:10):
We used to, you know, give away tickets to a show,
go to a show's used to be on a regular basis,
and he was promoting some movie. But it was such
a bizarre case. We're talking to each other and he
just sounded angry. But you know, he always was kind
of the angry comedian, but funny, right, there was no funny.
He was just ticked at the world, ticked at the America.
(07:32):
It was just this swirling black goo going down the
drain that is American. I mean, he was just berating
America and everything. And I said, George, what what are
you angry at? And then he started getting angry at me,
and he starts to go, oh, don't try to psychoanalyze me.
I'm way above you, pale, and I'm going okay, And
somewhere along the way he kind of caught on that
(07:53):
I that I come from faith, and he said, don't
tell me that you you pray to that invisible man
in the sky and I said yeah every day, and
he goes, I thought you people in Cleveland were smarter
than that, you know. So now he's reving up, right,
he's just reving up, and I'm just I'm trying. I'm
trying to I'm trying to be nice, George, you know,
I'm trying to be nice and he's just angry. And
(08:14):
I said, how do you explain this, George? Is that
a church just this past Sunday, there's a woman in
a wheelchair, been in a wheelchair for quite a while,
and I saw people praying over here her. And there's
a before and after because I knew her before. And
she came out of the wheelchair and started walking. And
I had her come up to the pulpit to tell
(08:34):
her story about how she was standing on a footstool
and her dog ran through the kitchen and took the
footstool out and down she went and blam on her back.
And she's been paralyzed ever since. I said, George, I
saw people pray and she came out of the wheelchair
through prayer. And he said, are you trying to tell
me that some people, some people's prayers are more powerful
(08:57):
than others. And I said, just like some people are
funny than others. Ye, for whatever the reason, right, So
he's just he's just you know, And I just said, George,
I said, just God bless you. I said, somebody else
now sets the bar for me, or where where the
standard is, and it's higher than maybe where you say,
or I don't know, but God bless you and goodbye.
(09:21):
And uh, I don't know if anybody's ever hung up
on George Carlin before. But it was like I was done,
you know, I was done. But what was interesting is
that that woman who had the had the paralysis. There
was a local news man, Ted Henry, who did a
week long series on the miracles that were associated with
a local doctor here and he showed he showed the
(09:46):
the X rays of the the bar that was in
her back. What happened was she had these bars in
her back to try to get her to stand up,
and the prayer had actually bent the bar, which was
pinching a nerve and that's why she was still stuck
in the chair. And so once that bar got bent
the other way through prayer, she came out of the wheelchair.
(10:07):
I mean, you just can't make this stuff up. This,
this is what brought me back. This is what brought
me back.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And Carlin's been dead. Carlin's been dead seventeen years. I
wonder if he knows now what.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You were trying, knows a lot more now, he knows
a lot more. Yeah, I think we get a quick education. Yeah,
because there is an afterlife. You know that you've had
You know, it's funny. You know, you and I have
talked before about how God's the original paranormal. I don't
think there's anyone on the planet who's heard more paranormal
stories than you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Is there, You're right, not at this point, are.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
For a while, but now we passed him up, you know,
I mean from every direction you've you've heard it, you've
heard it. I'm sure you buy some. I'm sure some
you don't. But you are the impeccable host with nothing
but kindness. So and those of us who have been
guests on your show appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I can't understand Trapper why it is what it is,
but I do believe it is, and that's the thing
I'm trying to seek that answer. I want to know
what God is. I'm a believer.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I want to know how it started.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I still can't have a scientist on the air to
explain what the Big Bang is. They can't tell me.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
No, there's a little speck that suddenly explodes, and suddenly
we have all these galaxies out there, and it's all theory.
You know, it's all theory. And look at look at
how often science is wrong. First, they're thinking that the
galaxies are static, they're just sitting there. Oh no, no, no,
there was a bang and they're all being pushed out,
which means they're going to slow down and then be
pulled back in and then that speck again. Then they
find out no, it's speeding up. The galaxies are speeding
(11:42):
up and flying away from each other faster and faster,
which makes no sense unless there's another force from the outside, right,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And then we happen to have life everywhere in the universe.
What's it all about, elfie?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Was it all about? And how did there's somebody had
to put all that stuff out there? You know that
stuff came from somewhere. You walk, you're in your you're
in there in the on air studio there, and you
see look around, you see microphones, you see gear, you
see somebody put it there. And so when you look
around this universe, somebody put it there. It didn't just
show up.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
On its own, right, And it's so methodical. Look at
the human look at the human body. We've got ears
to hear, we've got eyes to see, Thank God to
some of us.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Why do you have taste buds. There's absolutely no reason
why you should have taste buds unless somebody likes you
and one and a nose and a nose. But I'm
always amazed by things like taste buds, just like don't
have to be there. They don't have to be there.
You can just eat because you have to eat. No,
somebody wants you to enjoy food.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And you've got arms to do things, legs to move around.
I mean, who would.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Think that through I know, two eyes so you can
see distance, you know, you have to figure out how
far something is away. Just craziness, you know, it's craziness.
Little little hair on top, you still got some, you know,
to kind of keep a little warm, you know. Tell
us about your podcast, Touch by Hell, Touch by Heaven,
every Day Encounters with God. And I've been taken been
(13:11):
talking to people about you name it, you know, near
death experiences, whatever I'm trying to think. Want me just
throw a story at you, see.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'll take one.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Sure. I think we had Stephen Boyle on he's been
kind of making the rounds with his NDE. A couple
of things that he pointed out that I think A
really interesting one is that he's walked walking around in
heaven and a little kid walks up and says, I
think you're my dad, And he says, what's your name?
He says, I'm Dan, Daniel, I'm Daniel. He says, well,
(13:40):
my wife was pregnant. We were going to call if
it was a boy. We were going to call the child. Daniel.
Is that you? And he says, that's me. I'm growing
up here in heaven. It just points out, and I've
heard this from so many people who've had this experience,
women in particular, course, when they have miscarriages, the child
goes to heaven and the child is growing up in heaven,
(14:01):
because so many of these near death experiences involve the
women meeting the child in heaven as there as they're
growing up. And whether that's through miscarriage, abortion doesn't matter.
The child is up there waiting for us. He's waiting,
you know, they're waiting for us. And we've had a
couple of miscarriages, and I'm just you know, sometimes you
want to you want to name those children because they
(14:21):
need a name, and they're growing up in heaven and
you're going to meet them later on. So I believe
that the other thing that was interesting about his case.
His angel took him into the throne room or the
Father and Jesus are there, and they kneel down on
the door, of course, and then the angel shoves Stephen
towards the throne to where God and Father and Jesus are,
(14:43):
and Jesus walked up to him and they had a conversation.
But on the way out, Steve said to his angel,
what was that? Why are you shoving me? And he says,
I'm an angel, I'm a servant, you're his, You're the
father's son. You're an adopted son, as the Bible says.
And if you know you history, you know that in
Roman days, when you adopted a child, that was more
(15:05):
firm than having a child. You could take your own
child and throw them, throw them away. I don't know,
I wanted a girl and I got a boy, whatever
the other way around, or your limbs, whatever, you can
throw your child away, but when you adopted a child,
you could not get out of that arrangement. And so
when the Bible says we are his adopted children, that
means there's no way out. He is totally all in
(15:28):
on us, and he's not letting go.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
In your podcast, what stories come up the most after that.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Angel stories, Angels taking steering wheels, angels, Let's see how
much tangus you can take. My check, you're on. You're
on for an hour and a half to go, i know,
before breaks and things like that. I'm just trying to
think of a recent angel story that was in particular.
Here's one. Woman's name is Teresa. This is just kind
(16:00):
of a little story which I found so interesting. She's
with a friend in Chicago. They're they're at a they're
having lunch together in a restaurant and they are laughing
and they're and they're just eating and so it's kind
of a case where you're eating fast and you're laughing
and you're throwing food in your mouth. And she starts
she chokes on a on a French fry and she's
just and she's just hacking a coffin and it's like,
oh my gosh, and she needs to get somebody's attention
(16:23):
because it's Heimlich time. She is she's about ready to
pass out. And she stands up and she's waving and
she realizes that the room is still nobody's moving. Her
friend at the table isn't moving. Everything has come to
this silent stop. She feels a arm around her shoulder
and a voice that says, you have a little air
(16:46):
in there. You're okay. You're breathing too fast. Take a
sip of water, You're okay. She looks down. There's no
nobody next to her. She doesn't see feet, she doesn't
see shoes, she doesn't see pants. She just has a
voice and an arm around her guiding her through this
(17:06):
moment where time seems to have stood still. And she's
slowly working this burning French fry down down her throat
and sipping water and as she's fine, and this voice
is still going, that's it, you're getting there, your fine
guy voice. And then she slowly sits down at the
table where she was with her friend. The volume comes
(17:28):
back up in the room. Everybody, all the noise is
starting to be made. Her friend kind of comes to also,
and Teresa looks at her friend and says, what was that?
And she goes, I don't know, he said, do you
do you see me choking? Kind of but it's like
this moment that just stood still for the angel to help.
(17:48):
Teresa got through it and now we move on. I
love it, but I hear those those kinds of angel
stories all the time, all the time.
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