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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Doctor Jeffrey longback with us. Full time radiation oncology physician
practicing in Kentucky and a prominent researcher of near death experiences.
More than twenty five years ago he founded the Near
Death Experience Research Foundation and he has never stopped since.
A couple of books out got in The Afterlife and
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Evidence of the Afterlife. Jeffrey, welcome back. Have you been I've.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Been fantastic, George. It's certainly a pleasure to be back
with you tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You have done such a remarkable job in the studies
of near death experiences. How did this all start for you?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, over twenty five years ago I set up the
website in their Near Death Experience Research Foundation. I did
that not because I was convinced about the reality of
near death experiences. I was, actually, if you will, a
skeptic at that time. I wanted to study the original
source of information, that being people that actually had these
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amazing experiences and find out for myself that burning question
our near death experiences for real? Well, George, after four
thousand near death experiences that have been shared on my website,
the largest scientific study ever conducted, I've concluded near death
experiences are, in a word, real, and we'll have a
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lot to talk about that tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Did it take you a long time though, to get
to that belief?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Interestingly, I'd only got the first several dozens shared with
me all those twenty five years ago, and I was
astonished there. Over and over, I saw these remarkable consistencies
in experiences, and I knew as a doctor that people
that are unconscious are clinically dead. You shouldn't be having
such remarkably consistent experiences. They were nothing like dreams, nothing
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like hallucinations. Here, they were these consistent themes scene that
occurs so consistently in thousands of near death experiences, the
deeper consistent messages over and over, so very quickly I
realized there's something going on. I will have to say,
in all honesty, George, it's taken me years and years
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after that study to fine tune what those messages are,
what those consistencies are.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
And then wow, after that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
As I'd learned more and more as time went on,
my near death experience studies became even more exciting.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, you one of the giants in the field, Jeffrey,
and thank god we've got you out there doing what
you do.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
It's really a pleasure. It's really absolutely amazing to me
as a physician and a researcher studying over four thousand
near death experiences, to come to the awareness it's just
how significant near death experiences are. And it's not George,
just for the people that had the near death experiences.
These profound, deep messages and what they mean are really
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highly relevant and highly meaningful for people worldwide, in each
and every one of the listeners.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Jeffrey, how would you define a near death experience?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, no, two near death experiences are the same, but
if you look at the large number I have, you
see a consistency. I define them as exactly what the
phrase says near death. In other words, you're so physically compromised,
you're unconscious or at that time maybe clinically dead, no heartbeat.
That's certainly near death. So at that time when you
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should have no conscious memory at all, people do and
that's the experience part of a near death experience, so
often described as a out of body experience, consciousness apart
from the body, tunnel, life review, encountering deceased loved ones,
overwhelming piece of love, all those trimmings that go with
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the experience part of a near death experience.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
When people have these near death experiences, do they all
come back with similar stories?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well, certainly they come back with no two alike, but yes,
absolutely not just me, but other researchers find very remarkably
similar events that occur during a near death experience, and
typically in a very consistent order. That consciousness apart from
the body, consciousness over the body right after that life
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threatening event, often observing others frantically trying to bring them
back to life, passing into or through a tunnel as
a common next event that occurs, they may see a beautiful, bright,
unearthly it's what they call it, mystical white light, and
then boom. They're so often telling me that they're in
an unearthly, beautiful realm often called a heavenly realm, quite appropriately.
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So there may be buildings, landscapes to ceazed loved ones
at that time, George Amazingly, even though they had a
life threatening event, their life was literally hanging in balance
at that time, almost paradoxically, they're feeling overwhelming sense of peace,
of love, of connection with others, and then they may
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encounter again deceased loved ones, including pets, interestingly beautiful descriptions
of joyous reunions that those that passed on before them.
So yeah, over and over we hear this literally what
I just shared there times thousands.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
How do we know it's not the brain playing some
kind of game with us?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
That is a critical question that I asked myself at
the very dawn of my research. Well, one of the
strongest lines of evidence is that out of body experience
consciousness apart from the body when you're unconscious due to
a physical traumatic event, accident, injury, illness, with the first
part of a near death experience, that consciousness typically above
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the body, seeing ongoing earthly events. What is amazing is
that what they observe, even though their physical bodies unconscious,
is typically accurate down to the finest details. They see
again people frantically trying to resuscitate them. They see details
going on in the environment around them, and remarkably, they
may observe ongoing earthly events that are geographically far from
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the physical body, way beyond any possible physical sensory awareness,
and yet times the hundreds, when people go back and
carefully review what they saw in that out of body experience,
what they saw is accurate, almost invariably down to the
finest details. That's absolutely medically inexplicable and absolutely beyond any
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possible physical brain function. That's only one of well over
a dozen powerful lines of evidence that near death experiences
are indeed real and not possibly physical brain function.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Are you still adding to your database?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
We sure are.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The websites de inderf dot org, and there's a very
detailed survey there that's really been, if you will, my
second full time job. Almost every other day we get
new experiences, we review them very carefully, we categorize those
that are near death experiences, and we post them back
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up on the website. All of this is free for
those that have the courage and want to take the
time to share their experiences, and it's really an ongoing
joy to share these amazing experiences back with the world.
In fact, our website is posted in over thirty different languages,
so literally people worldwide can almost certainly find dozens and dozens,
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or certainly in English, thousands of these near death experiences
in their native language.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What are some of the similarities in the NDEs that
would convince you that this is a real deal.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Sure, I'm a physician.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I know full well what hallucinations are like, because I've
worked with patients that have that. Near death experiences are
nothing like hallucinations. Ditto for dreams. In my earliest survey
version I did twenty five years ago, I asked people
having a near death experience if their experience was.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Dream like in any way, And oh my.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Gosh, George, did I get an overwhelming feedback from that. No,
no way, not like dreams at all.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And finally, are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
That was actually one of the great motivators for me
to get out of that first version of the survey
I did of people having a near death experience. Nothing
like hallucinogenic drugs. What occurs during a near death experience?
So what I did observe circling back to answer your
question very directly, George, is what I saw.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It basically took the.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Near death experiencers and what happened to them to convince
me of their reality. You know, here over and over
that out of body experience is real. We had people
with impaired vision or even blind, including blind from birth,
describing highly visual near death experiences. They had a life review,
they'd see part of their prime or even all of
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their prior life, which is astonishing given that they may
have been unconscious only for minutes. So again, life review
down accurate to the finest details, even if they'd long
forgotten those memories. Joyous reunions virtually always the people they
meet were those that were deceased prior to their experience,
almost never encountering people that were alive when they had
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their near death experience, which is another strong distinguishing feature
from dream hallucinations or hallucinogenic experience. So the list really
goes on and on, but over and over multiple lines
of evidence, all converging on the conclusion evidence based that
near death experiences are the real thing.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Jeffrey tell us the episode of Vicky.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Oh, I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
That is about of thousands of near death experiences, I
think that's the most. If I had to pick the
most amazing near death experience I've encountered, it would be Vicky.
Vicky was born totally blind. She was back in an
era nineteen fifties, where for premature births. They unfortunately put
them in an oxygen tents with one hundred percent oxygen.
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It may have kept some of them alive, But what
they didn't know in that era is that that high
concentration of oxygen destroyed the retina of the eye. The
retina is the back of the eye and absolutely necessary
for vision. So Vicky, unfortunately was born very premature, was
put in such a tent and blind. Literally from that
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point to her vision was unknown and unknowable. I interviewed
Vicki in person and heard her amazing near death experience.
At the time, she was a very gifted singer. She
was singing in bars and very talented, and unfortunately, an
inebriated patron was driving her home at the end of
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her singing stint at a bar and involved in a
very severe auto accident. And so for the first time
Vicky had vision, she had that out of body experience.
Her consciousness was over her body, and she saw her
body in a gurney in the emergency room where they
had taken her. Amazingly, her first emotional reaction, you'd think
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that would be oh wow, cool, interesting, That really wasn't
what Vicky described Vicky was horrified. Vision to her was
so unknown and unfamiliar. She didn't know what was going on.
She really had to calm down until she realized what
she was seeing in her near death experience was her
body down below. She correlated by the feel of her
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long hair and interestingly, now for the first time in
her life, seeing which she previously knew by feel a
ring that her father had given her. Vicky went on
to go through a tunnel, have a remarkable life review
and counter deceased loved ones.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
You know, George.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
What was really one of the most interesting things Vicky
described is what we hear in many near death experiences,
and that was not only did she have vision, but
it was super normal vision. She was seeing in three
hundred and sixty degrees, simultaneously aware of and processing visual
information in front of her, behind her, back, of her up,
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down right left, technically spherical vision, and yet that was
her entire near death experience. That is how her vision
was during that time, and in fact, amazingly when as
she was relating this, I told Vicky that those of
us that live our physical, earthly life see vision in
if you will, a pie shaped visual field because of
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the location of our eyes and her head, and Vicky
literally laughed at me.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
She said, that's not true. Vision is vision. You see
everything all around you. Again, a stunning example.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Absolutely no way Vicky could have had that experience through
physical brain function. Of course, her physical body was unconscious.
So one of the real sentinel events in my research
career driving home. Critically the point near death experiences are
absolutely for real.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Does every ND Jeffrey consist of an out of body experience.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
In it?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Actually yes, they're always existing as consciousness apart from the body,
because again their physical body is by my definition of
near death experience, physically unconscious or clinically dead. By the
very Dictionary definition of unconscious, you can't have any consciousness.
There's no awareness, there's no processing information around you. So
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all near death experiences have a experience that is apart
from their physical brain function, so technically an outer body experience.
Only about forty five percent of people having a near
death experience are observing ongoing earthly events at the time
they're having their near death experience. The other fifty five
percent boom, are immediately into an unearthly beautiful realm or
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outer space or other areas. But not observing ongoing physical,
earthly events.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I've heard stories where maybe the doctor in the emergency
room is working on the patient and the nurses and
the attendants are with him, and he's kind of making
a joke of things, kind of funny. You know, look
at this guy, boy is he ugly or something like that,
and the near death experiencer is out of the body
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witnessing all this and comes back and tells the doctor
what he said, and the doctor's flabbergast.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
George is a doctor.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
That's hilarious because I've heard scores of accounts like that.
You really need to be careful when you're a doctor,
when you're attending a patient that's coded or stopped. Oh gosh,
we've had not only Oh, it's amazing the stories, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I need to get a collection of those.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Doctors will often say funny things about their appearance or
circumstances of that accident or injury. Even more commonly, George,
are doctors or other healthcare staff being unprofessional. They may
be laughing inappropriately, They may be telling I hate to
say it, but I'll say it off color jokes or
is crazy stuff just while they're sitting here literally working
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with a patient helping them recover from that accident or
illness while they're literally fighting for their life, or as
commonly occur, well fairly commonly occurs if the patient likes
in the operating room and codes their heart stops unexpectedly.
I mean, there's panic in the room, and then there
can be unprofessional behavior. And I'm embarrassed to say it
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as a doctor, but it is most commonly the doctor
that is unprofessional and yelling at the personnel, screaming, cussing,
complaining the crash cart to bring them back to life
isn't immediately available, And yeah, we hear that over and over,
but yeah, it's really drives home vividly at the point
that all doctors need to hear. When you're with a
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patient fighting for their life and you're trying to resuscitate them,
for goodness sake, stay professionals, stay focused, otherwise you're going
to say something hilarious and that'll be broadcast all over
shows like Coast to Coast.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
AM Absolutely absolutely, is there a point in the near
death experience that some entity on the other side sends
the person back? I mean, why don't they end up dying,
why do they come back?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
The great question. Often at the end of the near
death experience, there's generally other entities with them. These are
almost always described as beautiful, loving entities. They may be humanoid,
they may just be a light. They may be not
an anthropomorphic if you will, but not human in appearance,
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so not at all unusual in that unearthly often called
heavenly realm. There's other beings there. So here you are
at the end of the near death experience, and there's
often a dialogue at that point in time with the
person having a near death experience. Now amazingly to me, George,
even though the person having the near death experience, all
their friends, family, loved ones, everything that they've known that
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they can recall for their whole earthly life for years
decades is all wrapped up into that. And yet when
they're having a near death experience, when that beautiful realm
where they feel that overwhelming sense of love of connection
with others, all those physical cares and life threatening events
that nearly killed them are gone, they feel no pain
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at all. Amazingly, and maybe not so amazingly, when the
beings give them a choice about returning to their physical
earthly body or staying in that unearthly realm, which means
they are permanently, irreversibly dead. The great majority of people
having a near death experience do not want to return
to their earthly life. There's often a dialogue and often
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a vigorous debate at that point in time, and ultimately
when people think about often their children, relationships, things they
haven't done in their life.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
The decision may then be made. Sent back. Now.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I want to emphasize for most near death experienceers, boom,
they're sent back involuntarily or recover involuntarily. But a very
common thing, and interestingly, some research that I have that's
ongoing with one of my colleagues, we found about ten
percent of near death experiences all across the world, across
all cultures and all languages, about ten percent of near
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death experiences, at that critical moment of decision, they're told
language to the effect of it's not your time, yet,
you have more to do. Your time is not up.
So almost always without being given specific instructions and hearing
that very general statement, and yet the statement implying how
meaningful their earthly life is, boom, they go back into
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that physical body and fight to return from that close
Brush with Death.
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