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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
And welcome back George Norry along with doctor Aaron Judkins. Aaron,
let's wrap up Noah's Ark. But a couple main questions.
One it happened about forty three hundred years ago, they say,
And two did he really put every animal on the
planet on that arc?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well, certainly it was going back several thousand years ago
for sure. You know, regarding the claims of you know,
did every animal go on the art? The biblical record
says that two of every kind went on the art,
but seven of the clean animals went on the arc,
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which is very interesting because most people don't realize that
seven of the clean animals went on. But these are kinds,
not species. So there's been a great study on this.
There's a book called Noah's Ark of Feasibility Study that
looked at these numbers, and so they break it all down.
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But the two of the unclean animals went on. And
what's interesting is George's and genetics that they traced all
original sheep and goats to five original So when Noah
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came off the arc, at some point he built an
altar and he sacrificed two of those animals, two of
the clean animals. Genetics confirmed that all sheep and goats
come from five originals, so you subtract two out of
the seven, that gives you five. This is a very
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interesting genetic study that was done that's actually confirming the
biblical record. So even though probably not all speed she
went on the arc, they weren't needed, just the two
of the kinds.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Might he have taken some kind of DNA on the arc.
Maybe they were high sci fi and scientific.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
That'd be pretty neat if they did.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I don't think it's probably realistic that they did that,
But you don't.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You don't really.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Need adult size animals to go on the arc. You
just need a pink one in a balloon, and they
need to be juveniles. Matter of fact, that study that
I referenced earlier suggested that the average size of the
animal was just about the average size of a sheep,
So you don't really need the big creatures on there.
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You just need the juveniles to go on. They probably
went into hibernation at some point. We don't know that
for sure. That's all speculation, but certainly certainly those animals
went on because we see in the genetic code that
I just talked about that confirms that not only in
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the animals storage, but also in humans. There was a
study that came out called the Mitochondrial Eve and it
traces the mitochondrial DNA of the female lines going back
to the original. And they titled this mitochondrial Eve because
it goes back to the original. When they adjusted the
rate for the clock of the in the DNA sequence,
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they realized that this clock really going back to the
first genetic eve, measured about six thousand years. Now that's
not me saying that, that's what the study came out
and said. So there's something happening here because also in
that study it showed a genetic bottleneck going back to
about that time period where human kind came.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Down to almost a near extinction event.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So it shows this bottleneck and then a short period
and then re explosion of the of the human race.
This is all done through genetic studies. But certainly these
two sources indicate that the Biblical record isn't be true.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Was the flood geographical or worldwide?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Well, that would it would be both geographical and worldwide?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Why because there is confirming evidence If you just look
at geology alone. You see folded and bent strata. You
see multiple layers. In the Grand Canyon, you have missing
layers that in textbooks are supposed to be there, but
actually nine of those layers are missing in the Grand Canyon.
They should be there, but they're not. Then you have
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just layers on top of layers with no evidence of erosion,
no evidence of build up. So then you have other
layers intruding into other layers. In some cases, like Heart
Mountain in Wyoming, you have the geology turned upside down,
which is very intriguing. You have an older layer of
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rock on top of a younger layer of rock at
Heart Mountain that's not supposed to happen. Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So there's there's a lot of confirming evidence.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
We can talk about the fossil record rapid deposition burial,
which creates fossilization that needs a couple of conditions to happen.
So here in Texas, you don't have your cow and
the pasture die and fall over and become a fossil.
It has to be rapidly buried, and then it has
to have a lot of pressure over it, and then
you have to have heat and time for that fossilization occurs,
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so the minerals in the dirt can fossilize into the
bone and turn it into stone. So there's a lot
of things like this in the in the in the
geological record and the fossil record that indicates worldwide conditions.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Were were there. We are global delutes.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
One more I'll give you is the Gobi Desert in China.
Although it's sand and desert now, at one time that
was all under water, and they're finding some fascinating things
like fossilized dinosaur eggs, completely intact dinosaurs locked into position
fighting each other, completely intact soft tissue, and dinosaur bones
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that's supposedly sixty sixty five million years yet their soft
tissue still inside these dinosaur bones. Not only soft tissue, George,
but collagen, red blood cells that are pliable, elastic still
nerve endings, collagen. These things are all being vented by
science now and it really questions this timeline of events
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that we've all been told for so long.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And what do you think the flood was arin, where
do I think it was? What do you think it was?
I think asteroid strike, heavy rains, What do you think happened?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
You know there was whatever happened, was a global clad
had a cosmic event. I think probably all the above happened.
You had probably a lot of vulcanism that created the
mid Atlantic Rift. This is under the ocean. This is
the trench that's it's part of the deepest.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Canyon in the world. It's under the ocean.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's the highest mountain ranges that we have on Earth.
It's under the ocean. It's taller than Mount Everest. This
mint Atlantic Rift, geologists say, ripped around the Earth in
about two minutes, and it kind of created like a
like a baseball scar, like a seam on a baseball.
It kind of created a scar, but it ripped around
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the Earth in about two minutes. Now, if you have
that happen and you have meteor strikes, this is going
to set out vulcanism. It's going to cause sulfured dioxide
and carbon dioxide and a bunch of other aerosols to
spew out into the atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
It's going to block out the sun.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You're going to have some kind of a colder environment,
it's going to be drier. This is all pointing back
to the Younger, Dryest event, which is an event that
most scientists agree that there was a cataclysm that happened worldwide.
As matter of fact, it wiped out most of the
Pleistis sne animals so much.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
That when you're looking at these animals they.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Had extinction events, say in Australia of ninety percent extinction
event in Australia. With these animals here in North America,
you'd have seventy to seventy five percent of these Plesis
sing animals that are completely wiped out. So this is
something that's happened worldwide. We see it all around the earth,
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and including places like Clovis, New Mexico, where there's a
record of habitation and then there's just nothing.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
There's just nothing.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
This coincides with other places around the world, including go
Beckley Tepping.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Which, since you brought it up, is in Turkey again.
I mean Turkey's got all these great artifacts.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Is that they really do? You know?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Turkey is a wonderful place if you love history and archaeology.
A lot of people don't know that, but this is
biblical Asia Minor also referred to as Anatolia, and there
is so much history there it goes back thousands of years.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Really a lot of this is just coming to light,
such as in southeastern Turkey.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Why is there such a hoopla about go Beckley Teppe.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Well, here's the big deal about Go Beckley Tepe. Back
in nineteen ninety five or so, doctor Klaus Schmidt was
the primary excavator of the site.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
It got mislabeled as a Byzantine cemetery.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Back in the nineteen sixties, Klaus Smid had wrapped up
a particular project and he was asked to come over
and look at it. He immediately recognized that it was Neolithic.
When they begin to excavate Go Beckley Tape, which took
them ten years alone just to excavate Enclosure D. That's
one enclosure. When they started excavating, they begin to hit
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these monumental monolithic stones. And in the case of Enclosure D,
you have monolithic architecture in the Stone Age with these
two central anthropomorphic t pillar stones in the center, and
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that's not supposed to be there.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
So according to the conventional knowledge.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
That we have about the Stone Age, this is before
the invention of pottery. This was a simple one hundred
gatherer society. Go Beckley Tape turns all that upside down.
Because now you have people in the Stone Age with
a division of labor organization building monolithic architecture and that's
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not supposed to be there. It really baffled the archaeologist
and it really changes everything we know about the Neolithic.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
What surprised you the most about your research into Go
Beckley Teppe.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Well, it broke a lot of It broke a lot
of paradigms that I had. You know, I had some assumptions,
just like we all do. We start with an assumption
about what I thought it was. And when I was
asked to research this, I initially said no several times
because just my schedule, I had heard about Go Beckley Tepe.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I knew just a few things about it.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I just had made some assumptions that, well, you know,
it's close proximity, within hundreds of miles to Mount air
rat This is probably have something to do with that.
But when I really decided to sit down and research
for the book, that those theories that I had really
really got blown out of the water. I had to
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change my perspective on Go Beckley Tepe. Here's the reason why.
One is because that megalithic architecture. Two, you have these
two eighteen and a half tall anthropomorphic images that centrally
are located in enclosure D. Three you have zoomorphic imagery
on the stones, and four you could there's possibly language
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on the stones at go Beckley Tepe. These are all
very intriguing and it completely was not what I thought
it was. There was something else that was happening at
this site that it just caused me to dig deeper
and deeper and deeper. And as you know, information coming
out of.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Go Beckley is rather slow.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You have excavations that are ensuing, but then that has
to be processed, then later on it has to be published,
and so sometimes information is so slow we don't really have,
you know, real time information until maybe a year later.
But what we do know right now with go Beckley
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Teppe being only probably ten percent excavated, is that it
is changing the way we think about the Neolithic.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
What do you think it was?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Well, in my book, we were proposing a couple of
different new theories in decoding Go Beckley Tepe.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
One is.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
This language theory called Louvian logograms or Anatolian hieroglyphics. Now,
in the eighteen hundreds, the scholars had misidentified this language
and they called it hieroglyphic Hittite. But then it was
later on they discovered that was not right and it
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was actually Anatolian hieroglyphics. It's pictographical, but specifically this this
is Louvian logo rams. Now, the Luvians were a culture
that lived contemporaneous next door to the Hittites, if you will,
in this region of Turkey. The Luvians had a common
everyday language, probably Samerian, but they had a formal another language,
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which was a formal writing that they used on monumental stone,
and that were these logograms. A logogram is one character
that represents an entire word. So if you're writing on stone,
you have limited space, you have to make it count.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
A logogram is perfect for that. It was.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Really something that the Hittites picked up and adopted into their.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Culture because of just the.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I guess, the efficiency of the language for writing on stone.
So if you had a formal occasion you needed to
write it on stone, you would use Louvian logograms. This
is one of the theories I'm proposing in the book,
is that there's language on the stones at go Beckley,
Tepe not simply art motifs. Two, we're proposing a new
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theory called the regeneration theory at the site, specifically related
to Enclosure D that talks about the life after death
concept and what the stones and what.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
The side at Go Beckley Tepe may.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Be telling us that there was a regeneration in their
cosmology belief to regenerate their loved ones in the act
of life, to go back to the heavens as.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
A star god.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So Three, there's a theory that we're proposing about these
two anthropomorphic images and Enclosure D, specifically western pillar thirty
one in Eastern pillar eighteen. I've identified those two and
I take the Sumerian language and I kind of break
down for the reader of what it means. It's Sumerian
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related to Go Beckley Teppe, and it really gives us
a clear understanding about what's happening at the site.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
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