December 14, 2025 • 14 mins
Guest host Richard Syrett and psychic medium Julie Ryan discuss the process of death as a transition over twelve universal stages.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're discussing the twelve phases of dying. Can you define
the twelve phases as you understand them?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Absolutely. We're all spirits attached to a body having a
human experience. Most of us have heard that, probably more
than once. And as the person is dying, for our
conversation this evening, Richard, let's say that the person is
in a bed just for just to make it easy,
(00:34):
the first thing that happens is the spirit exits through
the top of the head and it hangs on to
the top of the head. It looks like a cartoon
caption bubble, one like a speech bubble where the cartoon
characters thoughts or comments are encapsulated. And the first spirit
(00:56):
to show up is the maternal spirit that raised the
person who's dying. Now this surprised me. I thought God
probably had like a death and dying department where they'd say, Okay,
you know, Molly sues diying in Mississippi, so dispatch a
bunch of angels to go help. And angels are there,
(01:20):
but it's the maternal spirit that brings them in, which
was a big surprise and back to my mom. Was
the first time I saw this Richard in two thousand
and two, and it was my mem It was my
maternal grandmother who was the first one to show up
and was running this show from the spirit world. And
(01:40):
then the paternal spirit shows up, the closest person who
would be a father figure if let's say, on the
maternal figure. If the person who's dying is adopted, it's
going to be the adopted mother's spirit who runs the show.
If a grandmother or a great aunt or somebody raised
(02:02):
the person who's dying, it's always going to be that
woman on the maternal side.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
What if the god forbid the child dies before the parent.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So in my case, my mother's deceased, so my mother
would be there. If my mother was still alive, it
would be my maternal grandmother. If she was still alive,
it would be her mother. It's always on the maternal side. Yeah.
And the interesting thing about that is with the adopted
mothers too, it's not the birth mother.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It's the one that raises the person.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Sure so yeah, so they come in and then the
angels come in, and as I mentioned, these are huge angels,
big wings, all of that and they form a circle
with the parental spirits anchoring at the foot of the person. Again,
our example is somebody who's in a bed, and then
as the person gets closer to passing, that circle opens
(03:00):
up into a horseshoe and then eventually a straight line
across the foot of the bed. And I call that
line angelic crowd control because there are so many spirits
that show up that it's just like dots on the horizon.
And the funniest thing about it, Richard, is there dressed
(03:21):
in period attire like we basically came and people and
Renaissance people and go go boots and miniskirts from.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
The nineteen sixties and so people.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Again, our spirits are always going to show up how
they appear to us, so well know who they are.
So the spirits start to show up about phase six ish,
couple of nuances.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Animals. Spirits show up midway through as well.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And if a person, if the person who's dying either
lives on a farm or grew up on a farm,
a farm animals, and I'll say.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Did your grabma grow up on a farm?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Because there's like chicks and ducks and cows and horses,
and they.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Say, yeah, how'd you knowize all these animals are there?
And then a couple of other interesting nuances that I'd
love to mention.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Midway through about phase five, there are two extra angels
that show up Richard, and they position themselves on either
side of the spirit bubble again that's attached to the
top of the head.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And when that happened with my mom, I thought, well,
this is going to be interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I mean, I knew they would play a role, but
I had no idea what they were going to do. Well,
I learned at between phase nine and phase ten their
wings start to move and they create this slow rhythmic
movement that has an upward pull, like a sucking sensation.
(04:55):
It really reminded me of being in the car wash
at the end when I turned the dryers on and
it's sucking all the water.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Off your car.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That's that's my favorite part.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Find out me too, and so especially if they've sprayed
your windshield with rainex and stuff and the water all
beads up and then it gets sucked off.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So with my mom, I was watching.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That and I thought, Okay, that's how the spirit's gonna evacuate,
And that's in fact what happened, and then those two
angels escort the spirit to heaven, and we can talk
about that more in a minute.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Interestingly enough, though, when.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I was writing Angelica Attendance just for kicks, I put
I did an Internet search, and these big wings reminded
me of a giant owl. If you've ever seen a
giant owl fly, or maybe seen a documentary on it,
you know you can almost feel the drag from their wings.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, I put in the.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Search engine wings vortex owl. Come to find out, there's
this aeronautical engineering phenomenon called the wingtip vortex, which is
how the air goes other over and under a wing,
and it creates a vortex that causes left everything replies,
(06:13):
every jet, every plane, every kite, every bird, every bug.
And I thought, oh my goodness, these angels wings were
creating something I could see, I could hear, I could feel.
And I did a research little exercise online and there
are thousands and thousands of pictures and articles and diagrams
(06:38):
and stuff. Every pilot knows about the wingtip vortex. And
I thought, here's something happening in the spirit world that's
causing something I can perceive in my human reality. And
it helps the helps the body and the spirit separate
and the body go on to or the spirit to
go on to heaven. I thought that was remarkable.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That is very cool. Is there a phase that signals
death is imminent?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, I would say I always tell families that when
their loved one gets to about phase nine, they want
to be bringing the other family members in because you know,
at the end of life, people are taking time off work.
Sometimes they're traveling far distances to be with their loved
one and be there before they pass. So I always
(07:26):
have them come in. The other thing I suggest that
they do in addition to getting a freak copy in
my book at Julie Ryangift dot com, is to go
to my website ask Julie Ryan dot com and on
the twelve phases tab that there's a chart that's illustrations
of all the different phases. Richard and I say, download
(07:48):
it and save it on your phone, and then you
just ask what phases my dad and what phases my
grandma in and you'll hear a number in your head
and then it's the first thing that comes in and
when you ask that question, and then you can refer
to the chart and if you see that your loved
ones moving through the phases fairly rapidly, then you know
(08:09):
to bring in the.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Rest of the family members.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
My mother in law, God rest her soul, it was
an absolute saint. Died in the house where I am
right now, in her late eighties, mid eighties, I guess,
And in her last weeks. She was sitting on the
sofa watching TV and my wife, her daughter was brought
(08:33):
her over a tray of food. And while she was
eating and my wife was back in the kitchen, my
mother in law just shouted out in astonishment. She goes, oh,
do you see this? And my wife came into the
family room, wore she was and see what?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Mom?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
See what? And she said, look on my plate, and
she described what she thought was a fairy flying over
for the mantelpiece above the fire place, landing on her plate,
and then dying on her plate. Have you heard anything
like that before? I haven't.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I've seen fairies.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I've seen them both in Ireland and then also here
in Birmingham where I live, Birmingham, Alabama, in the southeast US.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Uh. But no, I haven't heard that before.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
But I think that that would make sense to me
that the fairy was perhaps an een. They call those
elementals and they look like tinker Bell, although I have
a funny story about that in a minute, but that
elemental was probably one of her spirit guys that was
showing her that she was going to be with her
(09:45):
as she transitioned.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, that's interesting, fascinating. Yeah, may I share my yes,
s yes.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So I was in Ireland summer before last, and I
cut to stay at castle and I was in the
woods and I was by myself.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It was early in the morning, and so I said, okay,
you guys come.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Out and say hi, And all these fairies came out
from the woods Richard, and they started circling me like
around my head, and they were flying and they looked
like Tinkerbell.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And then there were more.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Elementals that looked like little Leprechrins and other little I
think they call them we folk in Ireland, and they
were kind of dancing in a circle around me, and
I said, I'm so glad you guys came out, and
they said, well, we knew you could see us, and
so they I talked to him for a minute, and
then somebody else was coming up the road and so
they scattered real fast.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
A couple of weeks later, I was in the botanical
gardens here in Birmingham, Alabama, where I live, and I
was in the woods and I said, okay, guys, come
out and say hello, and they did, and they encircled
me again. But they looked different. I mean, they looked
like fairies, but they were dressed differently. Were dressed like
University of Alabama major reds.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Like with a secret leotard on.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I said, they said, you guys, you have different a
different output on.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
They said, well, everybody's gonna have different outphits on depending
on where you are.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
You know, people dressed differently in different parts of the world.
What's the big deal. I just thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, They're just everywhere, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
They look like twirler reds from the University of Alabama.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Getting back to the dying process. Does medication or if
someone is on life support, does that all to the process.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
It does not.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
No, we all decide where we go, when we go,
how we go, and who's with us or not when
we go, which gives people a lot of comfort when
they learn that because so many times, especially during the pandemic,
people were just so distraught because they couldn't be with
their loved one at the end of their lives. And
they were just saying, oh my gosh, they died alone.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, nobody ever dies alone.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
We're all surrounded by angels and the spirits of deceased
loved ones and pets. So we think, okay, if we
would have done something differently, you know, if we would
have given them this medicine or taken them to this
doctor or that doctor.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Again, we all decide when we go, where we go,
how we go, who's with us or not.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
When we go and talk to any critical care provider,
they will tell you endless stories about that. Heck, talk
to any hospice provider, talk to any funeral director because
they work with the families and they all have endless
stories about you know, we waited with mom, We were
(12:45):
with mom for two weeks, and then and somebody's out
of the room for five minutes, and and you know,
the mom passes, and then she felt guilty where the
mom decided that the mom wanted to transition on her own,
she didn't want anybody in the with her.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
What about unresolved emotional trauma? Can that delay or complicate dying?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Well, again, it just goes back to the person who's transitioning,
you know, into the pure spirit form. I do suggest
that family members tell their loved ones that it's okay
for them to go, and I have thousands of stories
about that, Richard, and I find that that helps the
(13:30):
person who's dying relax and then they can go ahead
and transition. But it's fascinating when people are feeling so
distraught and they don't want their loved one to die,
and yet you know, when they're in pain or there's
something else going on, really that's the best thing for them.
(13:54):
So we have to say, okay, we're going to be fine,
watch over us from heaven, and then they go ahead
and go on to heaven and they're escorted by angels.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're discussing the twelve phases of dying. Can you define
the twelve phases as you understand them?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Absolutely. We're all spirits attached to a body having a
human experience. Most of us have heard that, probably more
than once. And as the person is dying, for our
conversation this evening, Richard, let's say that the person is
in a bed just for just to make it easy,
(00:34):
the first thing that happens is the spirit exits through
the top of the head and it hangs on to
the top of the head. It looks like a cartoon
caption bubble, one like a speech bubble where the cartoon
characters thoughts or comments are encapsulated. And the first spirit
(00:56):
to show up is the maternal spirit that raised the
person who's dying. Now this surprised me. I thought God
probably had like a death and dying department where they'd say, Okay,
you know, Molly sues diying in Mississippi, so dispatch a
bunch of angels to go help. And angels are there,
(01:20):
but it's the maternal spirit that brings them in, which
was a big surprise and back to my mom. Was
the first time I saw this Richard in two thousand
and two, and it was my mem It was my
maternal grandmother who was the first one to show up
and was running this show from the spirit world. And
(01:40):
then the paternal spirit shows up, the closest person who
would be a father figure if let's say, on the
maternal figure. If the person who's dying is adopted, it's
going to be the adopted mother's spirit who runs the show.
If a grandmother or a great aunt or somebody raised
(02:02):
the person who's dying, it's always going to be that
woman on the maternal side.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
What if the god forbid the child dies before the parent.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So in my case, my mother's deceased, so my mother
would be there. If my mother was still alive, it
would be my maternal grandmother. If she was still alive,
it would be her mother. It's always on the maternal side. Yeah.
And the interesting thing about that is with the adopted
mothers too, it's not the birth mother.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It's the one that raises the person.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Sure so yeah, so they come in and then the
angels come in, and as I mentioned, these are huge angels,
big wings, all of that and they form a circle
with the parental spirits anchoring at the foot of the person. Again,
our example is somebody who's in a bed, and then
as the person gets closer to passing, that circle opens
(03:00):
up into a horseshoe and then eventually a straight line
across the foot of the bed. And I call that
line angelic crowd control because there are so many spirits
that show up that it's just like dots on the horizon.
And the funniest thing about it, Richard, is there dressed
(03:21):
in period attire like we basically came and people and
Renaissance people and go go boots and miniskirts from.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
The nineteen sixties and so people.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Again, our spirits are always going to show up how
they appear to us, so well know who they are.
So the spirits start to show up about phase six ish,
couple of nuances.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Animals. Spirits show up midway through as well.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And if a person, if the person who's dying either
lives on a farm or grew up on a farm,
a farm animals, and I'll say.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Did your grabma grow up on a farm?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Because there's like chicks and ducks and cows and horses,
and they.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Say, yeah, how'd you knowize all these animals are there?
And then a couple of other interesting nuances that I'd
love to mention.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Midway through about phase five, there are two extra angels
that show up Richard, and they position themselves on either
side of the spirit bubble again that's attached to the
top of the head.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And when that happened with my mom, I thought, well,
this is going to be interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I mean, I knew they would play a role, but
I had no idea what they were going to do. Well,
I learned at between phase nine and phase ten their
wings start to move and they create this slow rhythmic
movement that has an upward pull, like a sucking sensation.
(04:55):
It really reminded me of being in the car wash
at the end when I turned the dryers on and
it's sucking all the water.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Off your car.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That's that's my favorite part.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Find out me too, and so especially if they've sprayed
your windshield with rainex and stuff and the water all
beads up and then it gets sucked off.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So with my mom, I was watching.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That and I thought, Okay, that's how the spirit's gonna evacuate,
And that's in fact what happened, and then those two
angels escort the spirit to heaven, and we can talk
about that more in a minute.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Interestingly enough, though, when.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I was writing Angelica Attendance just for kicks, I put
I did an Internet search, and these big wings reminded
me of a giant owl. If you've ever seen a
giant owl fly, or maybe seen a documentary on it,
you know you can almost feel the drag from their wings.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, I put in the.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Search engine wings vortex owl. Come to find out, there's
this aeronautical engineering phenomenon called the wingtip vortex, which is
how the air goes other over and under a wing,
and it creates a vortex that causes left everything replies,
(06:13):
every jet, every plane, every kite, every bird, every bug.
And I thought, oh my goodness, these angels wings were
creating something I could see, I could hear, I could feel.
And I did a research little exercise online and there
are thousands and thousands of pictures and articles and diagrams
(06:38):
and stuff. Every pilot knows about the wingtip vortex. And
I thought, here's something happening in the spirit world that's
causing something I can perceive in my human reality. And
it helps the helps the body and the spirit separate
and the body go on to or the spirit to
go on to heaven. I thought that was remarkable.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That is very cool. Is there a phase that signals
death is imminent?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, I would say I always tell families that when
their loved one gets to about phase nine, they want
to be bringing the other family members in because you know,
at the end of life, people are taking time off work.
Sometimes they're traveling far distances to be with their loved
one and be there before they pass. So I always
(07:26):
have them come in. The other thing I suggest that
they do in addition to getting a freak copy in
my book at Julie Ryangift dot com, is to go
to my website ask Julie Ryan dot com and on
the twelve phases tab that there's a chart that's illustrations
of all the different phases. Richard and I say, download
(07:48):
it and save it on your phone, and then you
just ask what phases my dad and what phases my
grandma in and you'll hear a number in your head
and then it's the first thing that comes in and
when you ask that question, and then you can refer
to the chart and if you see that your loved
ones moving through the phases fairly rapidly, then you know
(08:09):
to bring in the.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Rest of the family members.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
My mother in law, God rest her soul, it was
an absolute saint. Died in the house where I am
right now, in her late eighties, mid eighties, I guess,
And in her last weeks. She was sitting on the
sofa watching TV and my wife, her daughter was brought
(08:33):
her over a tray of food. And while she was
eating and my wife was back in the kitchen, my
mother in law just shouted out in astonishment. She goes, oh,
do you see this? And my wife came into the
family room, wore she was and see what?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Mom?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
See what? And she said, look on my plate, and
she described what she thought was a fairy flying over
for the mantelpiece above the fire place, landing on her plate,
and then dying on her plate. Have you heard anything
like that before? I haven't.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I've seen fairies.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I've seen them both in Ireland and then also here
in Birmingham where I live, Birmingham, Alabama, in the southeast US.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Uh. But no, I haven't heard that before.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
But I think that that would make sense to me
that the fairy was perhaps an een. They call those
elementals and they look like tinker Bell, although I have
a funny story about that in a minute, but that
elemental was probably one of her spirit guys that was
showing her that she was going to be with her
(09:45):
as she transitioned.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, that's interesting, fascinating. Yeah, may I share my yes,
s yes.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So I was in Ireland summer before last, and I
cut to stay at castle and I was in the
woods and I was by myself.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It was early in the morning, and so I said, okay,
you guys come.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Out and say hi, And all these fairies came out
from the woods Richard, and they started circling me like
around my head, and they were flying and they looked
like Tinkerbell.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And then there were more.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Elementals that looked like little Leprechrins and other little I
think they call them we folk in Ireland, and they
were kind of dancing in a circle around me, and
I said, I'm so glad you guys came out, and
they said, well, we knew you could see us, and
so they I talked to him for a minute, and
then somebody else was coming up the road and so
they scattered real fast.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
A couple of weeks later, I was in the botanical
gardens here in Birmingham, Alabama, where I live, and I
was in the woods and I said, okay, guys, come
out and say hello, and they did, and they encircled
me again. But they looked different. I mean, they looked
like fairies, but they were dressed differently. Were dressed like
University of Alabama major reds.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Like with a secret leotard on.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I said, they said, you guys, you have different a
different output on.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
They said, well, everybody's gonna have different outphits on depending
on where you are.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
You know, people dressed differently in different parts of the world.
What's the big deal. I just thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, They're just everywhere, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
They look like twirler reds from the University of Alabama.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Getting back to the dying process. Does medication or if
someone is on life support, does that all to the process.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
It does not.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
No, we all decide where we go, when we go,
how we go, and who's with us or not when
we go, which gives people a lot of comfort when
they learn that because so many times, especially during the pandemic,
people were just so distraught because they couldn't be with
their loved one at the end of their lives. And
they were just saying, oh my gosh, they died alone.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, nobody ever dies alone.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
We're all surrounded by angels and the spirits of deceased
loved ones and pets. So we think, okay, if we
would have done something differently, you know, if we would
have given them this medicine or taken them to this
doctor or that doctor.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Again, we all decide when we go, where we go,
how we go, who's with us or not.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
When we go and talk to any critical care provider,
they will tell you endless stories about that. Heck, talk
to any hospice provider, talk to any funeral director because
they work with the families and they all have endless
stories about you know, we waited with mom, We were
(12:45):
with mom for two weeks, and then and somebody's out
of the room for five minutes, and and you know,
the mom passes, and then she felt guilty where the
mom decided that the mom wanted to transition on her own,
she didn't want anybody in the with her.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
What about unresolved emotional trauma? Can that delay or complicate dying?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Well, again, it just goes back to the person who's transitioning,
you know, into the pure spirit form. I do suggest
that family members tell their loved ones that it's okay
for them to go, and I have thousands of stories
about that, Richard, and I find that that helps the
(13:30):
person who's dying relax and then they can go ahead
and transition. But it's fascinating when people are feeling so
distraught and they don't want their loved one to die,
and yet you know, when they're in pain or there's
something else going on, really that's the best thing for them.
(13:54):
So we have to say, okay, we're going to be fine,
watch over us from heaven, and then they go ahead
and go on to heaven and they're escorted by angels.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
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one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by Audiochuck Media Company.
The Brothers Ortiz
The Brothers Ortiz is the story of two brothers–both successful, but in very different ways. Gabe Ortiz becomes a third-highest ranking officer in all of Texas while his younger brother Larry climbs the ranks in Puro Tango Blast, a notorious Texas Prison gang. Gabe doesn’t know all the details of his brother’s nefarious dealings, and he’s made a point not to ask, to protect their relationship. But when Larry is murdered during a home invasion in a rented beach house, Gabe has no choice but to look into what happened that night. To solve Larry’s murder, Gabe, and the whole Ortiz family, must ask each other tough questions.