September 21, 2025 • 15 mins
Guest host Ryan Wrecker and psychiatrist Dr. Judith Orloff discuss highly intuitive psychic children.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on
iHeartRadio doctor Orloff.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I had an email I wanted to read from a
listener and maybe get your take on it. One person said,
I have symptoms for different things vertigo more sense, vertigo
for seismic activity, which is interesting. Do you find that
there are certain things that are triggered with people in
tune that give them an idea that something's about to happen.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yes, exactly. I feel that certain people are able to
pick up certain geological events before they happen, because they're
able to sense the frequencies the seismic activity in this case,
before it happens. And this happens frequently with weather events
where people will get headaches or feel agitated, for instance,
(00:54):
with the full moon that's a good example, and the
emergency rooms are filled with people on the night of
the full moon. And so it just depends on what
you react to. But you can ask yourself, do I
get a mood change on the night of the full moon?
Do I pick up earthquakes? Do I pick up storms?
(01:16):
Do I pick up when there's going to be a
natural catastrophe? That's common as well.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, Well, you know people they say after they have
let's say hip or knee surgery, they can tell when
a storm is coming. That's a little bit different than
what you're describing, or is it a similar sensation.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I think it's a similar sensation. Intuition can come through
the body, and the body is an intuitive receptor, and
so if you're sensitive to whether you can get and
if a preview of it before it actually comes, you
can get an intuitive flash or the sense that the
seasons are changing. That's a good intuition where you have
(01:55):
a sense that things are changing and it's just the
way the wind blows at that particular moment where you
get information about that. And so intuitive adults and children
are very sensitive to the weather. No very to to
changes or thunderstorms or fires or anything that hot cold,
(02:21):
Any dramatic changes tends to register, you know, in a
child or an adult, and so that that's part of
intuition to be aware of in yourselves.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, one thing you mentioned in the first part of
the interview, the cultural side of things. Are some cultures
embracing this better than others, Meaning here in the United States,
when we think about, you know, sensitivity, it's almost looked
at as some sort of weakness. Are other cultures looking
at it in an opposite way?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
And if they are, what cultures embrace this.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Oh very much? So well. The Aboriginal culture embraces so
much so that they believe that dream time is more
real than waking life, and so they honor it in
that way. You see, we're so engaged with waking life
and intellectual experience of everything versus the heart centered experiences
(03:20):
of things that we don't incorporate that so much, you know,
into our culture, although of course there are all kinds
of exceptions in spiritual communities and intuitive communities where this
is just accepted, and also in Native cultures and indigenous
cultures where dreaming and intuition is just part of coming
(03:42):
into one's power and it's just part of how one is,
and the relationship to the earth is highly valued versus
what's happening in our culture, where it isn't. In a
large group of you know, political people, it's not valued
at all, really, and that it couldn't be possible in
(04:06):
indigenous cultures because mother Earth is so much a part
of life and it's something to respect and we're here
and it's an honor to be here on earth. And
there's a course of certain arrogance in those who don't
believe that, you know, and they believe harm the earth.
And it's all right. I know when you when you
(04:27):
just said that that it felt like an EmPATH reaction,
you know, it felt like you know you, you know,
it really went through you know, and your being in
your heart. What's happening to.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The Well, here's what I find, at least for me personally,
And maybe you can tell me if I'm a typical
type of person that you talk to, because I work
in the news and I'm surrounded by a lot of
stories that I, like I said before, there's a valve
and for some reason, you got to show off the
(05:00):
emotions because otherwise you would become so overwhelmed by everything.
It would make it nearly impossible to not only work
in the news industry or radio in that sense, but
it would also make it difficult to just in general
enjoy life because you would be so bogged down by
(05:20):
everything that's everywhere. At the same time, but this is
what I find. When you come home, you have to
almost be that firewall for your kids to make sure
they don't feel that sort of thing. You want to
give them the best life in opportunities, so you almost
feel like it's part of your duty to absorb those
things so they don't have to.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Ah, But I think they will absorb it if they're
open to them, and so they need And my heart
goes out to you, and I understand the love of
a father no wanting to protect as kids with sensitive kids,
though the father or the mother can't really do that
(06:00):
because the kids absorb it themselves. I mean, you could
certainly limit the input that comes in the house, but
how could I describe this. It's like when you're a
highly sensitive child or adult, it's like holding something with
fifty fingers instead of five. You have that's interesting, Yeah,
(06:20):
and intuitive receptors, so you feel everything so intensely, and
that can lead to sensory overwhelm in children and adults,
and it's a very painful experience. And so that's why
I think it's important for children now to teach them
to breathe, to meditate, to calm down, or to say
(06:43):
I need my alone time, no or anything to find
to find out what will calm them down and honor
that and help them learn these skills of setting boundaries.
Sensitive kids, their heart goes out to all the other
kids who are in pain and having a hard time,
and that can be a bit much, and they experience
(07:05):
it as sensory overload. And so it's important for parents
to say to kids, you know, you don't have to
do that with everyone. No, you can just you know,
be nice to someone without listening to their whole life story,
which is what happens to kids. They you know, are
they become people's therapists, and they become the parents therapists,
(07:27):
which I've seen you know frequently where the parents are
upset and the kids are so understanding you know, that
they use them in that capacity, which isn't right. And
so work with parents, you know, I suggest that that's
not the right thing, and for them to have an
outlet for their emotional work other than their children. But
(07:52):
the child will listen. And so that's why it's important
that the child learns how to set a boundary and
to say I could only you know, listen for a
little bit, or I love you, but I got to go,
you know, or whatever. However, they can tactually detach from
(08:12):
situations at school if other kids are telling them about
the you know, some horrible things that are happening in
their home or the sensitive kids often get bullied and
they get shamed for their abilities. In addition, and so
you know, they have a lot to deal with at
school that needs to be addressed, and I hope the
(08:35):
book addresses that for them and that we open up
the conversation for the parents to talk to their kids.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
So is there an opposite to this?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Is there?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I see the term dark empaths? Is there? I guess
maybe I should ask what is that?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, it's a term that's been going around the internet
the last couple of years, and it refers to the
kind of EmPATH that doesn't have good intent and that
drains you. I think it's purposely and is more of
a narcissist than an EmPATH, somebody who lacks empathy. And
(09:12):
so that's what people say. And then they're talking about
dark empaths and empaths with dark energy. And my experience
of that isn't so much that it's dark energy. It's
that there's so much trauma in the person and there's
so much discomfort that other people interpret it as pain
(09:33):
and purposely dumping pain on them, And so I think
it's worthwhile to rethink that. You know, in terms of
empaths can get very needy, and if they're not having
their needs met, they can be perceived as quote needy
in a bad way. And so that I believe that's
what they're calling dark empaths. But I don't think that
(09:56):
empaths are narcissistic, just by nature of their open hearts. Now,
empaths have an open heart. They love people, they love nature,
they love animals, you know, and you know, they get
overwhelmed and they can become very very needy, and so
they need to have the right help so that they
(10:17):
can feel better inside their own skin. And a lot
of empaths feel like they don't belong to the world.
That's a common When I was little, I had a
fantasy that an alien would come and land in my
front yard and take me to my true home because
I didn't feel like I belonged here.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Sounds like a movie, but I think that's you know,
kids go through those type of emotions. Look as an adult,
you find that empaths have this sort of attraction to
the opposite.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Maybe narcissists, yes.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And the genius of empathy. I have a whole section
on the toxic attraction between narcissists and empaths, and unfortunately,
they do have an attraction. The narcissist, of course, loves
to be with the EmPATH because the EmPATH is giving
and loving and wants to help them heal their childhood
and they're there for them, and that's what the narcissist wants.
(11:18):
But the EmPATH, you know, believes in the beginning, in
the faux empathy that the narcissist gives off. And the
narcissists will put on a very seductive front and you know,
look like their dream person. And so what happens and
the EmPATH falls for that, and what happens is that,
(11:39):
you know, after a certain amount of time, their true
colors will come out where they become cold withholding punishing gaslight,
you know, when you don't do what they want. And
so I always suggest to my EmPATH patients to try
and just provoke a little conflict in the beginning of
a relationship if you think that they might be a narcissist,
(12:02):
you know, just by saying I can't go with you tonight,
I have other plans, or do something that will trigger
them to bring out their narcissism. So you can see it,
so hopefully you can make more informed decisions because narcissists
aren't wired to feel empathy neurologically, and that's so difficult
for empaths to grasp, but it's so true. And over
(12:26):
the years I really advised people. You know, they come in, oh,
I found my soulmate and it turns out they're a narcissist,
and you know, they learned very hard lessons and it
takes it could take twenty five years to get out
of that relationship, if at all, because if they have
kids and connections with the person, and it's very hard
(12:48):
to disconnect. But people do it. You know, they go
in eyes wide open because they think they could change
the situation. EmPATH like love can heal everything, and I
can heal them, and that's what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, do you think in today's world, and it's hard
to clump everyone together, but do you think there's more
empaths or do you think there's more narcissists today?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That's a really good question. Hopefully they are more and
more empaths, but it seems like we have just narcissists
coming out of the woodwork everywhere.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Maybe we hide it better. I shouldn't say we, as
in you know, I'm one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
But I find too that it's almost by choice I
have to shut things down, but maybe I have to
also be open to open the other empathetic side of
me at times, not shut it down all the time.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I think that's a great idea. And you know, if
you like walking in the woods, are you like going
out in nature, you can do that with your kids
or just do it, you know, to have a loan
and you know, just to look at the beautiful leaves
and the nature and to breathe in the fresh air
so you can get a break from all this stuff
(14:09):
in the news. And in that sense, I think that yes,
being open would be a glorious thing so that you
can enjoy life. People forget how to enjoy life, and
they get all caught up and everything that's happening in
the world, which is understandable, but there's still a beautiful,
gorgeous life right in front of us that we need
(14:31):
to really live and to take a break from all
of the world's problems or all of our problems, and
take a breath, center yourself and just walk and be
grateful for that moment and the great beauty that's here
on this earth, and the love and the connection you
could share with people who are like minded and who
(14:54):
maybe understand a bit more than others who are simply
in their heads.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Listen to more Coast to Coast a M. Every week
night at one a m. Eastern and go to Coast
to Coast a m dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on
iHeartRadio doctor Orloff.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I had an email I wanted to read from a
listener and maybe get your take on it. One person said,
I have symptoms for different things vertigo more sense, vertigo
for seismic activity, which is interesting. Do you find that
there are certain things that are triggered with people in
tune that give them an idea that something's about to happen.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yes, exactly. I feel that certain people are able to
pick up certain geological events before they happen, because they're
able to sense the frequencies the seismic activity in this case,
before it happens. And this happens frequently with weather events
where people will get headaches or feel agitated, for instance,
(00:54):
with the full moon that's a good example, and the
emergency rooms are filled with people on the night of
the full moon. And so it just depends on what
you react to. But you can ask yourself, do I
get a mood change on the night of the full moon?
Do I pick up earthquakes? Do I pick up storms?
(01:16):
Do I pick up when there's going to be a
natural catastrophe? That's common as well.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, Well, you know people they say after they have
let's say hip or knee surgery, they can tell when
a storm is coming. That's a little bit different than
what you're describing, or is it a similar sensation.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I think it's a similar sensation. Intuition can come through
the body, and the body is an intuitive receptor, and
so if you're sensitive to whether you can get and
if a preview of it before it actually comes, you
can get an intuitive flash or the sense that the
seasons are changing. That's a good intuition where you have
(01:55):
a sense that things are changing and it's just the
way the wind blows at that particular moment where you
get information about that. And so intuitive adults and children
are very sensitive to the weather. No very to to
changes or thunderstorms or fires or anything that hot cold,
(02:21):
Any dramatic changes tends to register, you know, in a
child or an adult, and so that that's part of
intuition to be aware of in yourselves.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, one thing you mentioned in the first part of
the interview, the cultural side of things. Are some cultures
embracing this better than others, Meaning here in the United States,
when we think about, you know, sensitivity, it's almost looked
at as some sort of weakness. Are other cultures looking
at it in an opposite way?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
And if they are, what cultures embrace this.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Oh very much? So well. The Aboriginal culture embraces so
much so that they believe that dream time is more
real than waking life, and so they honor it in
that way. You see, we're so engaged with waking life
and intellectual experience of everything versus the heart centered experiences
(03:20):
of things that we don't incorporate that so much, you know,
into our culture, although of course there are all kinds
of exceptions in spiritual communities and intuitive communities where this
is just accepted, and also in Native cultures and indigenous
cultures where dreaming and intuition is just part of coming
(03:42):
into one's power and it's just part of how one is,
and the relationship to the earth is highly valued versus
what's happening in our culture, where it isn't. In a
large group of you know, political people, it's not valued
at all, really, and that it couldn't be possible in
(04:06):
indigenous cultures because mother Earth is so much a part
of life and it's something to respect and we're here
and it's an honor to be here on earth. And
there's a course of certain arrogance in those who don't
believe that, you know, and they believe harm the earth.
And it's all right. I know when you when you
(04:27):
just said that that it felt like an EmPATH reaction,
you know, it felt like you know you, you know,
it really went through you know, and your being in
your heart. What's happening to.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The Well, here's what I find, at least for me personally,
And maybe you can tell me if I'm a typical
type of person that you talk to, because I work
in the news and I'm surrounded by a lot of
stories that I, like I said before, there's a valve
and for some reason, you got to show off the
(05:00):
emotions because otherwise you would become so overwhelmed by everything.
It would make it nearly impossible to not only work
in the news industry or radio in that sense, but
it would also make it difficult to just in general
enjoy life because you would be so bogged down by
(05:20):
everything that's everywhere. At the same time, but this is
what I find. When you come home, you have to
almost be that firewall for your kids to make sure
they don't feel that sort of thing. You want to
give them the best life in opportunities, so you almost
feel like it's part of your duty to absorb those
things so they don't have to.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Ah, But I think they will absorb it if they're
open to them, and so they need And my heart
goes out to you, and I understand the love of
a father no wanting to protect as kids with sensitive kids,
though the father or the mother can't really do that
(06:00):
because the kids absorb it themselves. I mean, you could
certainly limit the input that comes in the house, but
how could I describe this. It's like when you're a
highly sensitive child or adult, it's like holding something with
fifty fingers instead of five. You have that's interesting, Yeah,
(06:20):
and intuitive receptors, so you feel everything so intensely, and
that can lead to sensory overwhelm in children and adults,
and it's a very painful experience. And so that's why
I think it's important for children now to teach them
to breathe, to meditate, to calm down, or to say
(06:43):
I need my alone time, no or anything to find
to find out what will calm them down and honor
that and help them learn these skills of setting boundaries.
Sensitive kids, their heart goes out to all the other
kids who are in pain and having a hard time,
and that can be a bit much, and they experience
(07:05):
it as sensory overload. And so it's important for parents
to say to kids, you know, you don't have to
do that with everyone. No, you can just you know,
be nice to someone without listening to their whole life story,
which is what happens to kids. They you know, are
they become people's therapists, and they become the parents therapists,
(07:27):
which I've seen you know frequently where the parents are
upset and the kids are so understanding you know, that
they use them in that capacity, which isn't right. And
so work with parents, you know, I suggest that that's
not the right thing, and for them to have an
outlet for their emotional work other than their children. But
(07:52):
the child will listen. And so that's why it's important
that the child learns how to set a boundary and
to say I could only you know, listen for a
little bit, or I love you, but I got to go,
you know, or whatever. However, they can tactually detach from
(08:12):
situations at school if other kids are telling them about
the you know, some horrible things that are happening in
their home or the sensitive kids often get bullied and
they get shamed for their abilities. In addition, and so
you know, they have a lot to deal with at
school that needs to be addressed, and I hope the
(08:35):
book addresses that for them and that we open up
the conversation for the parents to talk to their kids.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
So is there an opposite to this?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Is there?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I see the term dark empaths? Is there? I guess
maybe I should ask what is that?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, it's a term that's been going around the internet
the last couple of years, and it refers to the
kind of EmPATH that doesn't have good intent and that
drains you. I think it's purposely and is more of
a narcissist than an EmPATH, somebody who lacks empathy. And
(09:12):
so that's what people say. And then they're talking about
dark empaths and empaths with dark energy. And my experience
of that isn't so much that it's dark energy. It's
that there's so much trauma in the person and there's
so much discomfort that other people interpret it as pain
(09:33):
and purposely dumping pain on them, And so I think
it's worthwhile to rethink that. You know, in terms of
empaths can get very needy, and if they're not having
their needs met, they can be perceived as quote needy
in a bad way. And so that I believe that's
what they're calling dark empaths. But I don't think that
(09:56):
empaths are narcissistic, just by nature of their open hearts. Now,
empaths have an open heart. They love people, they love nature,
they love animals, you know, and you know, they get
overwhelmed and they can become very very needy, and so
they need to have the right help so that they
(10:17):
can feel better inside their own skin. And a lot
of empaths feel like they don't belong to the world.
That's a common When I was little, I had a
fantasy that an alien would come and land in my
front yard and take me to my true home because
I didn't feel like I belonged here.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Sounds like a movie, but I think that's you know,
kids go through those type of emotions. Look as an adult,
you find that empaths have this sort of attraction to
the opposite.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Maybe narcissists, yes.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And the genius of empathy. I have a whole section
on the toxic attraction between narcissists and empaths, and unfortunately,
they do have an attraction. The narcissist, of course, loves
to be with the EmPATH because the EmPATH is giving
and loving and wants to help them heal their childhood
and they're there for them, and that's what the narcissist wants.
(11:18):
But the EmPATH, you know, believes in the beginning, in
the faux empathy that the narcissist gives off. And the
narcissists will put on a very seductive front and you know,
look like their dream person. And so what happens and
the EmPATH falls for that, and what happens is that,
(11:39):
you know, after a certain amount of time, their true
colors will come out where they become cold withholding punishing gaslight,
you know, when you don't do what they want. And
so I always suggest to my EmPATH patients to try
and just provoke a little conflict in the beginning of
a relationship if you think that they might be a narcissist,
(12:02):
you know, just by saying I can't go with you tonight,
I have other plans, or do something that will trigger
them to bring out their narcissism. So you can see it,
so hopefully you can make more informed decisions because narcissists
aren't wired to feel empathy neurologically, and that's so difficult
for empaths to grasp, but it's so true. And over
(12:26):
the years I really advised people. You know, they come in, oh,
I found my soulmate and it turns out they're a narcissist,
and you know, they learned very hard lessons and it
takes it could take twenty five years to get out
of that relationship, if at all, because if they have
kids and connections with the person, and it's very hard
(12:48):
to disconnect. But people do it. You know, they go
in eyes wide open because they think they could change
the situation. EmPATH like love can heal everything, and I
can heal them, and that's what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, do you think in today's world, and it's hard
to clump everyone together, but do you think there's more
empaths or do you think there's more narcissists today?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That's a really good question. Hopefully they are more and
more empaths, but it seems like we have just narcissists
coming out of the woodwork everywhere.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Maybe we hide it better. I shouldn't say we, as
in you know, I'm one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
But I find too that it's almost by choice I
have to shut things down, but maybe I have to
also be open to open the other empathetic side of
me at times, not shut it down all the time.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I think that's a great idea. And you know, if
you like walking in the woods, are you like going
out in nature, you can do that with your kids
or just do it, you know, to have a loan
and you know, just to look at the beautiful leaves
and the nature and to breathe in the fresh air
so you can get a break from all this stuff
(14:09):
in the news. And in that sense, I think that yes,
being open would be a glorious thing so that you
can enjoy life. People forget how to enjoy life, and
they get all caught up and everything that's happening in
the world, which is understandable, but there's still a beautiful,
gorgeous life right in front of us that we need
(14:31):
to really live and to take a break from all
of the world's problems or all of our problems, and
take a breath, center yourself and just walk and be
grateful for that moment and the great beauty that's here
on this earth, and the love and the connection you
could share with people who are like minded and who
(14:54):
maybe understand a bit more than others who are simply
in their heads.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
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