September 23, 2024 • 18 mins
Guest Host George Knapp and Remote Viewer Skip Atwater discuss Pat Price's story of remote viewing UFO bases.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Skip out water. Before the break, you were telling us
a story about a remote viewer, Joe mcmonagall, who you
had coaxed into go ahead and checking out this box
that's on top of a big tower that sounds like
it might be leading to a nuclear test of some kind.
Is that what it is?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm glad that you wanted to finish that story a
little bit, because I chose to tell you that story. Again,
this was something tasked by us. We didn't decide to
go do that. It was given from a task in
the Pentagon writing to us, we're interested in having you
(00:45):
look at this particular location. And they didn't know that
we were using remote viewing to look at this location.
They were just tasking this organization up a fort met Marilyn.
And so when I wrote back a report to them,
I didn't say here's the results of our remote viewing.
(01:09):
I did not mention that kind of thing to him.
I just said, our source reported this and this and
this and this and in this particular case. It was
very interesting as a fun ending in that when they
got that report that I sent to them, they immediately
(01:29):
within two days sent back a letter to us and said,
you can't do this. You can't do this, this is wrong.
You shouldn't be doing this. And we're like, what is
he talking about? This is sinwitty information. The abbreviation sinwitty
means critical nuclear design information, and so how can we
(01:53):
write to this thing. We don't have a sinwitty clearance,
We don't have the right to describe the building of
nuclear weapons. And so they said, you can't do this,
this is wrong. It should be classified sin witty. And
we were laughing to ourselves back in our office, saying,
(02:15):
he doesn't even know what we're doing in terms of
remote viewing. But our source said this and this about
your tower, and they said you can't do this, and
we said, well, we did this. So I just wanted
to finish the story up as to the fact that
(02:37):
whatever Joe was describing, they looked at that and said,
this is a nuclear thing here, and they can't tell
us about that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So they were obviously curious about how the heck you
guys came up with that information. In the history of
the remote viewing phenomena and program, a couple of names
come to mind. Of course, Ingo Swann, who was a
just a naturally gifted psychic guy who came up with,
as you said, the CRB, the controlled remote viewing protocols.
(03:07):
Pat Price, we're going to talk about Joe mcmonagall, the
name you mentioned before is just superstars of this ability.
Who was Pat Price? How did he get involved in
the program and can you lead us toward this amazing
discovery that he made in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yes, Pat Price used to be a police officer in Burbank,
California under to it, and he was mentioning to people
about his abilities and put off in targ up at
(03:44):
Stanford Research Institute and invited him to come up there
and up to Stanford and demonstrate what he's talking about.
That they said they were studying this phenomenon. This is
before it was called remote viewing. That's a name that
was invented by Ingo Swamp. But Pat Price came up
(04:08):
and so they did some testing on him of you
know how I'm going to drive out in the car
and then You'll be asked back in the office here
to describe where I'm going and so forth. And they
were really amazed at this. And then because they had
a CIA contract at that time, a CIA monitor said,
(04:29):
could you ask him to look at this? And so
he started getting ideas that the CIA was thinking, how
do we know what they're really doing at Stanford? Are
they controlling this correctly? And then showing us something that's
very interesting here, And so they started asking for Stanford
(04:53):
to look at places they were interested in and knew
that there is no way they could know exactly what
was there. And pat Rice came back and said, oh, yes,
well I see this here. There's this large building on
the left and there's an archway over here and everything.
And they're like, how can they know that? They couldn't
(05:15):
know that. Well, what's going to happen? Then they hire
at Price away from Stanford Research Institute and he becomes
an employ of the CIA at that time.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh boy, so he's in a box for a while.
Nobody hears from him.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well, his life changes, obviously, and he doesn't live down
in Burbank, California anymore and has a different kind of access,
and the CIA isn't so hell bent on protocol. You
(05:59):
have to stay this protocol, which is what Stanford does.
You are only allowed this and this and this and
this and the protocol, but when he went to the CIA,
all they were interested in was the information, So he
had a different life after that time.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
He just had natural abilities at this stuff, whether he
followed the protocols or not.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yes, And that's an interesting use of the term natural
abilities because in my job I had to learn how
to work with people in several different kinds of techniques
that seemed successful with them, and some used INGOs swans,
(06:47):
and other people used something that we called an extended
remote viewing, which was more just sitting down and talking
to someone without the name remote viewing on it. And
then when I came across Pat Price, it was a
very different situation. It sa as though he didn't follow
(07:10):
the rules of controlled remote viewing. He just told you
what was there. So it took me a long time
to get involved and kind of understand what was going on.
And that's what got me started in this thing with testing.
(07:33):
This whole situation is what Pat Price told us about
these UFO bases. Was there any validity to this? Now
he actually created that and hit that remote viewing and
handed it to the people at SRI in nineteen seventy three.
(07:58):
It was late when things sort of settled down because
they were angry with him about doing that. This isn't
in our protocol. We didn't tell you to do that.
And here you walk in and hand us these papers.
Don't you ever do that. We're working for someone else,
(08:19):
and we had to guarantee we're in these protocols. And
then put Off kept them on his desk and said,
go get to work down the hall and pat went
down to talk to his control for what he was
going to test under the protocols. And immediately put Off
(08:44):
got interested in this and because he was reading about
things that were looked like they could be possible remote viewings.
And he called a friend of his and said, this
was about one in Australia, and he said, do you
(09:08):
know the people down in Australia? Do you know who
the case officer is down there in Australia And he
said yeah. He said, would you check out this location is?
Are they having any interesting things going on there? And
he said, well, yeah, I could do that for you.
They're really good friends.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And so.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
What came back from the information he got from Australia
was everything is really nice here. We get along really
good with all of the people here in Australia and
are very supportive of each other. And there's not a
whole lot going on, oh except up north there with
(09:52):
all those UFOs all the time. So that's when how
in the office as well, that's very interesting. We'll have
to get together again have a beer soon. Okay, let's
do that. But in Pat Price, I'm sorry. Then he
looked down again at these transcripts that Pat had provided
(10:17):
and said, you know, there might be something to this,
but he didn't, you know, because he was under the
control of CIA. He didn't want to tell Pat Price
later you know, this is really good stuff. He just
kept it to himself.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
So Pat Price stood on to me. Pat Price, in
essence takes it on himself. He's is he looking for UFOs?
Is he looking for aliens? Or he just kind of
casts a wide net and that's what comes back. Do
you know what. He didn't follow protocols, He didn't have
an assigned coordinate or target. But he on his own
(10:57):
looks around, uses his abilities and comes back and says,
there are four underground bases alien bases, and here's where
they are.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Right. Yes, it was his idea to do that, but
he he was a free wheeling guy. He did what
he wanted to do. You know, he didn't have to
have somebody tell him whether or not he should go
(11:28):
do this. Now he would in his life, and you know,
back when he was a policeman and so forth and
so on, it was like, we don't know because we
didn't know him then. But it would seem like your
assumption there is correct. He just went and did stuff
because he could do that, and then everybody looked at
(11:51):
him and said, well, you can't do that because we
didn't tell you to do it. And so it's an
interesting world of all the people that dealt with that
price over that time.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Was he amazed by those findings? Was he spooked by it?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Do you know? I don't know an answer to that.
From being around this whole situation a while, he wasn't
amazed by it. He was just often going and look
at it. Another thing. Later he talked about things that
were he talked about them differently, not like a remote
(12:29):
viewer would say, well it's this, and it was this,
and you could ask him a question about this, and
it was about this, and he was very different. He
was I came to believe that his operational method or
(12:50):
technique was very different than others.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, basically what he found was he came up with
four different locations with these base where there's a mountain
in the Purdes where he said it was a base
built into this mountain and it was the main base.
There was one as you mentioned in Australia, there was
one in Alaska. And then where's the fourth one. Well,
let's see you Well, there's total of four of us.
(13:18):
He comes up with four locations and he says these
are alien bases. These are tall, skinny beings that are
there and somebody else built them.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
We didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And then years later, I don't know how many years later,
Project eighty two hundred is launched by you. You decide, well,
let's use our remote viewers and test this out and
see if it's if they come up with the same results.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Right. Yes, there's Mountain Sea on Australia, Mount Hayes and Alaska,
Mount Berdido in Spain, and Mount Indyangani in Zimbabwe which
is a landlocked world. Yes, the wind time window here
(13:59):
is interesting because here we sit in twenty twenty four
endpat Price, it is thing fifty years ago and so
time passed and I was given those transcripts by put
Off to use to develop a protocol. Or what we
(14:23):
did was challenge targets. This wasn't something tasked by the Pentagon,
but it was something that I did as the training
officer to do testing on how good can how good
can this thing be? This remote viewing thing, and so
(14:43):
I had it. Let me explain this a little more clearly.
In any military unit, you're either doing something called fighting
and you're deployed in some sort of a situation. When
your military unit is not in that situation, they are
training and they're practicing and doing. What you do is
(15:06):
whatever military situation you were in. So at Stargate, we
were doing the same thing. If we didn't have a
particular task to do that day, we did training targets,
challenge targets, I called them. So this became a challenge target.
This project eighty two hundred. So I did Project eighty
(15:29):
two hundred forty years ago, which is ten years after
the time that Price had done it.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So walk me through this.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So pat Price comes up with these four bases. Years later,
you decide you're going to have your guys test out
their methods and see what they come up with the
first guy, or at least the first guy you mentioned
in your book Project eighty two hundred is Joe mcmonagall,
who was a superstar, right, he was one of your best.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, Joe was very good and she didn't do Ingo
Swans style of remote viewing. He did something called extended
remote viewing and he was absolutely I'm done. You know,
well over one hundred remote viewings in the Army with
(16:22):
him before he retired, So he was very good remote viewer.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You have the original notes of when he goes through
multiple sessions, and it sure sounds like what he came
up with in these sessions exactly duplicates what Pat Price found.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
No, there's I probably wouldn't because I'm very cautious about
these things. I probably wouldn't say exactly the same. I
would say something soft like, you know, that looks very interesting,
very similar to what Pat Price was saying. And of
(17:03):
course the whole purpose of this was to look at
the situation. Is there any way to validate validate what
Pat Price was telling us in nineteen seventy three. Well,
the challenge project that I was doing, Challenge targeting, was
to use our people and attempt to Verifa. If they
(17:28):
came up with nothing, all the people that did this,
if they came up with nothing at all, we could say, well,
that was an interesting story that Fat Price had there.
He is just so a wildcat. We're never going to
know in any way. And yet I come back with
these other people that have tried to do this, Joe
(17:49):
and several others on the Ingo Swan technique, and you're right,
they're very similar, certainly the shadow of similarity, all right,
Price thing.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Skip out water. Before the break, you were telling us
a story about a remote viewer, Joe mcmonagall, who you
had coaxed into go ahead and checking out this box
that's on top of a big tower that sounds like
it might be leading to a nuclear test of some kind.
Is that what it is?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm glad that you wanted to finish that story a
little bit, because I chose to tell you that story. Again,
this was something tasked by us. We didn't decide to
go do that. It was given from a task in
the Pentagon writing to us, we're interested in having you
(00:45):
look at this particular location. And they didn't know that
we were using remote viewing to look at this location.
They were just tasking this organization up a fort met Marilyn.
And so when I wrote back a report to them,
I didn't say here's the results of our remote viewing.
(01:09):
I did not mention that kind of thing to him.
I just said, our source reported this and this and
this and this and in this particular case. It was
very interesting as a fun ending in that when they
got that report that I sent to them, they immediately
(01:29):
within two days sent back a letter to us and said,
you can't do this. You can't do this, this is wrong.
You shouldn't be doing this. And we're like, what is
he talking about? This is sinwitty information. The abbreviation sinwitty
means critical nuclear design information, and so how can we
(01:53):
write to this thing. We don't have a sinwitty clearance,
We don't have the right to describe the building of
nuclear weapons. And so they said, you can't do this,
this is wrong. It should be classified sin witty. And
we were laughing to ourselves back in our office, saying,
(02:15):
he doesn't even know what we're doing in terms of
remote viewing. But our source said this and this about
your tower, and they said you can't do this, and
we said, well, we did this. So I just wanted
to finish the story up as to the fact that
(02:37):
whatever Joe was describing, they looked at that and said,
this is a nuclear thing here, and they can't tell
us about that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So they were obviously curious about how the heck you
guys came up with that information. In the history of
the remote viewing phenomena and program, a couple of names
come to mind. Of course, Ingo Swann, who was a
just a naturally gifted psychic guy who came up with,
as you said, the CRB, the controlled remote viewing protocols.
(03:07):
Pat Price, we're going to talk about Joe mcmonagall, the
name you mentioned before is just superstars of this ability.
Who was Pat Price? How did he get involved in
the program and can you lead us toward this amazing
discovery that he made in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yes, Pat Price used to be a police officer in Burbank,
California under to it, and he was mentioning to people
about his abilities and put off in targ up at
(03:44):
Stanford Research Institute and invited him to come up there
and up to Stanford and demonstrate what he's talking about.
That they said they were studying this phenomenon. This is
before it was called remote viewing. That's a name that
was invented by Ingo Swamp. But Pat Price came up
(04:08):
and so they did some testing on him of you
know how I'm going to drive out in the car
and then You'll be asked back in the office here
to describe where I'm going and so forth. And they
were really amazed at this. And then because they had
a CIA contract at that time, a CIA monitor said,
(04:29):
could you ask him to look at this? And so
he started getting ideas that the CIA was thinking, how
do we know what they're really doing at Stanford? Are
they controlling this correctly? And then showing us something that's
very interesting here, And so they started asking for Stanford
(04:53):
to look at places they were interested in and knew
that there is no way they could know exactly what
was there. And pat Rice came back and said, oh, yes,
well I see this here. There's this large building on
the left and there's an archway over here and everything.
And they're like, how can they know that? They couldn't
(05:15):
know that. Well, what's going to happen? Then they hire
at Price away from Stanford Research Institute and he becomes
an employ of the CIA at that time.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh boy, so he's in a box for a while.
Nobody hears from him.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well, his life changes, obviously, and he doesn't live down
in Burbank, California anymore and has a different kind of access,
and the CIA isn't so hell bent on protocol. You
(05:59):
have to stay this protocol, which is what Stanford does.
You are only allowed this and this and this and
this and the protocol, but when he went to the CIA,
all they were interested in was the information, So he
had a different life after that time.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
He just had natural abilities at this stuff, whether he
followed the protocols or not.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yes, And that's an interesting use of the term natural
abilities because in my job I had to learn how
to work with people in several different kinds of techniques
that seemed successful with them, and some used INGOs swans,
(06:47):
and other people used something that we called an extended
remote viewing, which was more just sitting down and talking
to someone without the name remote viewing on it. And
then when I came across Pat Price, it was a
very different situation. It sa as though he didn't follow
(07:10):
the rules of controlled remote viewing. He just told you
what was there. So it took me a long time
to get involved and kind of understand what was going on.
And that's what got me started in this thing with testing.
(07:33):
This whole situation is what Pat Price told us about
these UFO bases. Was there any validity to this? Now
he actually created that and hit that remote viewing and
handed it to the people at SRI in nineteen seventy three.
(07:58):
It was late when things sort of settled down because
they were angry with him about doing that. This isn't
in our protocol. We didn't tell you to do that.
And here you walk in and hand us these papers.
Don't you ever do that. We're working for someone else,
(08:19):
and we had to guarantee we're in these protocols. And
then put Off kept them on his desk and said,
go get to work down the hall and pat went
down to talk to his control for what he was
going to test under the protocols. And immediately put Off
(08:44):
got interested in this and because he was reading about
things that were looked like they could be possible remote viewings.
And he called a friend of his and said, this
was about one in Australia, and he said, do you
(09:08):
know the people down in Australia? Do you know who
the case officer is down there in Australia And he
said yeah. He said, would you check out this location is?
Are they having any interesting things going on there? And
he said, well, yeah, I could do that for you.
They're really good friends.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And so.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
What came back from the information he got from Australia
was everything is really nice here. We get along really
good with all of the people here in Australia and
are very supportive of each other. And there's not a
whole lot going on, oh except up north there with
(09:52):
all those UFOs all the time. So that's when how
in the office as well, that's very interesting. We'll have
to get together again have a beer soon. Okay, let's
do that. But in Pat Price, I'm sorry. Then he
looked down again at these transcripts that Pat had provided
(10:17):
and said, you know, there might be something to this,
but he didn't, you know, because he was under the
control of CIA. He didn't want to tell Pat Price
later you know, this is really good stuff. He just
kept it to himself.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
So Pat Price stood on to me. Pat Price, in
essence takes it on himself. He's is he looking for UFOs?
Is he looking for aliens? Or he just kind of
casts a wide net and that's what comes back. Do
you know what. He didn't follow protocols, He didn't have
an assigned coordinate or target. But he on his own
(10:57):
looks around, uses his abilities and comes back and says,
there are four underground bases alien bases, and here's where
they are.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Right. Yes, it was his idea to do that, but
he he was a free wheeling guy. He did what
he wanted to do. You know, he didn't have to
have somebody tell him whether or not he should go
(11:28):
do this. Now he would in his life, and you know,
back when he was a policeman and so forth and
so on, it was like, we don't know because we
didn't know him then. But it would seem like your
assumption there is correct. He just went and did stuff
because he could do that, and then everybody looked at
(11:51):
him and said, well, you can't do that because we
didn't tell you to do it. And so it's an
interesting world of all the people that dealt with that
price over that time.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Was he amazed by those findings? Was he spooked by it?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Do you know? I don't know an answer to that.
From being around this whole situation a while, he wasn't
amazed by it. He was just often going and look
at it. Another thing. Later he talked about things that
were he talked about them differently, not like a remote
(12:29):
viewer would say, well it's this, and it was this,
and you could ask him a question about this, and
it was about this, and he was very different. He
was I came to believe that his operational method or
(12:50):
technique was very different than others.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, basically what he found was he came up with
four different locations with these base where there's a mountain
in the Purdes where he said it was a base
built into this mountain and it was the main base.
There was one as you mentioned in Australia, there was
one in Alaska. And then where's the fourth one. Well,
let's see you Well, there's total of four of us.
(13:18):
He comes up with four locations and he says these
are alien bases. These are tall, skinny beings that are
there and somebody else built them.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
We didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And then years later, I don't know how many years later,
Project eighty two hundred is launched by you. You decide, well,
let's use our remote viewers and test this out and
see if it's if they come up with the same results.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Right. Yes, there's Mountain Sea on Australia, Mount Hayes and Alaska,
Mount Berdido in Spain, and Mount Indyangani in Zimbabwe which
is a landlocked world. Yes, the wind time window here
(13:59):
is interesting because here we sit in twenty twenty four
endpat Price, it is thing fifty years ago and so
time passed and I was given those transcripts by put
Off to use to develop a protocol. Or what we
(14:23):
did was challenge targets. This wasn't something tasked by the Pentagon,
but it was something that I did as the training
officer to do testing on how good can how good
can this thing be? This remote viewing thing, and so
(14:43):
I had it. Let me explain this a little more clearly.
In any military unit, you're either doing something called fighting
and you're deployed in some sort of a situation. When
your military unit is not in that situation, they are
training and they're practicing and doing. What you do is
(15:06):
whatever military situation you were in. So at Stargate, we
were doing the same thing. If we didn't have a
particular task to do that day, we did training targets,
challenge targets, I called them. So this became a challenge target.
This project eighty two hundred. So I did Project eighty
(15:29):
two hundred forty years ago, which is ten years after
the time that Price had done it.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So walk me through this.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So pat Price comes up with these four bases. Years later,
you decide you're going to have your guys test out
their methods and see what they come up with the
first guy, or at least the first guy you mentioned
in your book Project eighty two hundred is Joe mcmonagall,
who was a superstar, right, he was one of your best.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, Joe was very good and she didn't do Ingo
Swans style of remote viewing. He did something called extended
remote viewing and he was absolutely I'm done. You know,
well over one hundred remote viewings in the Army with
(16:22):
him before he retired, So he was very good remote viewer.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You have the original notes of when he goes through
multiple sessions, and it sure sounds like what he came
up with in these sessions exactly duplicates what Pat Price found.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
No, there's I probably wouldn't because I'm very cautious about
these things. I probably wouldn't say exactly the same. I
would say something soft like, you know, that looks very interesting,
very similar to what Pat Price was saying. And of
(17:03):
course the whole purpose of this was to look at
the situation. Is there any way to validate validate what
Pat Price was telling us in nineteen seventy three. Well,
the challenge project that I was doing, Challenge targeting, was
to use our people and attempt to Verifa. If they
(17:28):
came up with nothing, all the people that did this,
if they came up with nothing at all, we could say, well,
that was an interesting story that Fat Price had there.
He is just so a wildcat. We're never going to
know in any way. And yet I come back with
these other people that have tried to do this, Joe
(17:49):
and several others on the Ingo Swan technique, and you're right,
they're very similar, certainly the shadow of similarity, all right,
Price thing.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
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one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.