May 2, 2025 • 16 mins
George Noory and author Lisa Pease explore her research into the 1968 killing of Robert F. Kennedy in Los Angeles, the conspiracy and coverup behind the murder, and if the accused shooter Sirhan Sirhan was hypnotized to confess to the killing but someone else pulled the trigger.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeartRadio and.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with E
Lisa Peace with us as we talk about the assassination
of Robert F. Kennedy. Lisa, you were talking about the
situation and the Ambassador Hotel where Rayfer Johnson, the Olympic star,
was tackling Sirhan Sirhan while an announcer was out there saying,
get the gun, Rafer, get the gun, Rafer, and Rosie
(00:27):
Greer was there saying that to the football player. Rosie
still alive. Rayfer died about five years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, I saw on the fiftieth annivers sixty fiftieth anniversary. Yeah,
there was a little ceremony and I saw him briefly.
But yeah, we've lost Rafer. I don't know if Rosie's
still around.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So do you think it's possible that those responsible for
the assassination found several people who were shooters there and
set them up and put them in there, but also
found the young Palestinian by the name of Hands. Sure Hand.
They figured he'd be disgruntled and it would be a
perfect alibi, and they got the guy hypnotized him, put
(01:09):
a gun in his hand and sent him in there.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I think that's exactly what happened. And note the date.
It was June fifth, you know, and June fifth, one
year earlier was the Sixth Day War, right, they were
in the middle of the Sixth Day War between Arab
and the Arabs and the Israelis. And so it kind
of if you're the CIA. And it's funny because I
(01:34):
Howard Hudd said this in one of his interviews. He's like,
the CI looks at the dates of events and he's like,
he picked They picked them for maximum psychological value. And
so if you're trying to shore up your Israeli friends overseas,
you know, after they sunk one of our ships in
nineteen sixty seven, the USS Liberty, which kind of strained relations,
(01:59):
you know, then maybe you have a Palestinian, you know,
appear to shoot Robert Kennedy and that helps, you know,
strengthen the sympathy towards the Israeli cause. So, you know,
it's when the CI does operations, they look for the
twufer like with Oswald and JFK. They were also seeking
(02:21):
to take down the Fairplay for Cuba Committee and so
you know, to have a member of the Fair Play
for Cuba Committee or even one of its officers, because
he pretended he ran the New Orleans office even though
he didn't. There was no such thing. But that was
a way to discredit the FPCC as well as kill
(02:41):
jfk You know, why get just one thing done if
you can get two or three things done at the
same time. And I laughed, but none of this is funny.
Of course I'm partly coughing laughing, So apologies there.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Now, Robert F. Kennedy Junior believes that Sir Hans Sir
Hens should be what do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yes, well, actually I was the one who got him
to meet Sir hand because I was helping Robert Ketty
with his earlier book, American Values. I was literally sitting
beside him at his kitchen tables. We're going through some drafts,
and I said, by the way, have you ever talked
to Sir Hann. He's like no, And I said would
you like to? He's like yes, and I'm like, well,
(03:23):
I'll get you in touch with his lawyer, who was
then a different lawyer than the one he has now.
And that lawyer like couldn't believe it. She's like, oh
my god, Lisa, how did you do that? Because they've
been trying to, you know, bring him into the case
for years and it just, you know, it's one of
those timing, serendipity things. And so he called me from
the car on the way back and I'm like, what
(03:44):
did you think? And he goes, he's a sweet guy.
There's no way he did this. And you know that
by itself obviously is a subjective judgment. But he matches
all the other evidence.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And Governor knew show him back into thou twenty two,
I believe blocked any parole release on Sir Han.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Did he not?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yes, he did. And worse, he claimed he went to
the archives and looked through all the evidence himself, which
I know for a fact if he went to the archives,
he definitely didn't look at all the evidence, because there's
no way he could have concluded Sir hand was guilty.
It's Newsom's been posturing to run for president for a
very long time. Those of us in California have seen
(04:26):
this coming ten miles away. So I'm sure that that
was one of the you know, the hurdles, like is
he going to free Sir Han or is he going
to want to be a conventional CI defender candidate, And
of course he would choose to be the conventional candidate.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So, Liza, do you believe that the people responsible for
the assassination in nineteen sixty three of John F. Kennedy
might be the same people responsible for the assassination of
Robert F. Kennedy five years later.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, you know, he just got a big clue in
that regard because a CBS reporter called me and alerted
me to a document I hadn't seen because it came
out after my book was published. It's not in this release,
but if you google Sir hann and CIA, you will
find this document. And it turns out that, supposedly after
(05:17):
the assassination and possibly before, guess who gets to hold
the Sir hand file and control all the information going
between CI and LAPD The same guy, James Angleton, who
had been controlling the Oswold file at CIA since nineteen
fifty nine, four years before Kennedy was shot, and he
(05:41):
was still controlling it right up to the last minute,
when you know, when the assassination went down. So it's
very interesting, odd, disturbing that Angleton is also now kind
of sticking his nose into the RFK case, or like
I said, maybe Sir hamm was one of his assets.
Because people don't understand how the CI works. There's the
(06:04):
think of a brain with two halves. One half is
devoted to like research and analysis. That's the overt intelligence side,
the intelligence gathering side. But then the other half is
the covert action side, the operation side. And so you
would expect if the CIA had nothing to do with
(06:26):
this and they just wanted to research their hands background
as a Palestinian coming from another country. You know, in
the context of the assassination, the right place for that
would have been the analysis side, But instead the operation
side takes hold of it. So that to me strongly
implies the operation side maybe had something to cover up.
(06:51):
And I just want to I want to read you
just a tiny bit of this document. I'm going to
read you the opening. It says Sir hansir Hann's security
file reflects that he had never been of interest to
the agency prior to the assassination of Robert Kennedy. That's
very interesting wordy because it doesn't say Sir hanser Han
(07:14):
was never of interest to the agency. It says his
security file reflects he had never been of interest and
it's easy to dum me up a file to make
it look like you only just learned of him on
June fifth, right, But then they say on June fifth,
when Sir Ann was identified, the Director of Central Intelligence,
that would be Richard Helms, who we believe was probably
(07:35):
part of the JFK assassination, met with the Deputy Chief
of the CI staff. The CI staff is run by
James Angleton and the assistant Deputy Director for plans, who
was Cord Meyer, who was married to Mary Meyer and
a good friend of Angleton's, and the director of Security
and directed that the CI staff would be the focal
(07:58):
point for action in a CIRT hand case. So to me,
this is a stunning admission that the operational side of
CIA is taking control of this. It also says that
they reached out to the LAPD and said we're prepared
to cooperate with you.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
There may be other documents I haven't seen yet where
maybe the LAPD reached out first. But if the CI
reached out to the LAPD first and not the other
way around, again, that's really interesting. So there will be
more files to come. This first drop of the RFK
files was only like existing FBI files that were already
(08:42):
set aside, readily identifiable, easy to scan. But they're now
trying to scan in some CIA files that we know
they have on the Robert Kennedy assassination, because, as I
talked about in my book, the CIA was helping the LAPD.
It was mentioned in the very first broadcast press conference
(09:03):
that Chief Thomas Rehtten gave. In fact, he literally choked.
He said he was getting help from the CIA and
State Department. And one of the reporters said, what do
you mean the CIA? What did they help with? And
he started like choking. He couldn't sub form the words.
He's like, the the CIA. You know. He finally got
it out, and other than that, he'd been calm, smooth
(09:25):
as silk, but that question really upset him, which also
makes you wonder was that a sensitive spot because maybe
they knew the CIA had been involved in that hit
and we were talking about Sir Ann's position being in
front of him. And I just want to note that
the LAPD knew on day one that that was a problem,
(09:46):
and it's right there in some of the early witness interviews.
In fact, I think it was Rafer Johnson who was
the first to note that Syrinne was facing him, and
the policeman who's interviewing him, he's like, wait, wait a minute,
go back. He said he was in front of him
because he knew the wounds were from behind. So there's something.
And the other thing is there are now photos, clear
(10:10):
photos released in this release that show the extra bullet
holes in the pantry, because not only were five other
people shot, but there were at least four holes in
the doorframes that Kennedy had walked through, two in the
center divider and two in the southernmost edge of the
double door divider. And in the past the photos have
(10:34):
been really sketchy, hard to share, but they're pretty clear
copies online now, so if people you want to poke through,
they can find that now. I also want to give
people a warning if they start poking through the RFK files.
The autopsy photos have now been released and they are
very disturbing, to say the least. I was so shocked.
(10:56):
Especially the first photo to me, was completely unnecessary because
it didn't tell me anything about the wounds. It was
just kind of exploitive, and that I was a little
sad to see, but there were shots that show clearly
exactly where the shots entered under the arm, because Kennedy
wasn't only shot behind the right ear. He was also
(11:18):
shot literally if you put two fingers under your armpit
as I'm doing now that no one can see.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Crazy. How many times was he shot? A couple times?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
He was shot four times. One shot only went through clothing,
so that didn't enter his body. But these other two shots.
One lodged at the base of his neck, and that's
the bullet they pulled out for comparison purposes. They didn't
retrieve that until he was dead because that bullet was
not life threatening. The one that killed him was the
(11:49):
one behind the ear. But there was also one more
shot that entered under his arm and then exited the
front of his chest, you know, puncturing his lungs on
the way out. Those shots also were shot at not
more than three inches away, So all of those shots,
and again, Sir Hann was captured after the second shot.
As soon as you know, the major d was like
(12:11):
right next to him, and when Sir Hann started firing,
he immediately grabbed him and moved the gun away. From
Kennedy and away from the crowd, and you know other
people were grabbing him too. Yet Kennedy was shot four
times in five other people were shot. It doesn't make
any sense if we try and stick to the official story.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
What do you think of the possibility, Lisa, that the
shooter put the gun in Sir Han's hand before he
fled off.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It's entirely possible because as we were talking before one
of these breaks, there was a moment where they got
a gun out of Sir Han's hand, and then a
gun is on the table and Sir Ham picks up
this other well and again it could be the same
gun or another gun. We really don't know. Somebody could
literally have switched the guns, so we don't know what
(12:59):
he brought. And I wouldn't make a big deal about that.
I would say it was the same gun, except that
Lynn Mangan who was a neighbor of Sarans and did
a lot of research on the ballistics and talked to
Bill Harper, who was the neighboring city's criminalist. Doin Wolfer
was LAPD, but in Pasadena, Bill Harper, who had been
(13:21):
former OSS, he got very interested in this because he
didn't trust Wolfer at all because he knew his work
as a professional colleague was terrible. And he told Lynn,
he's like they switched the gun. They switched the bullets.
And there's definite proof that they switched the bullets because
(13:41):
when a bullet is taken into evidence, the markings on
the bullet are also logged. So when that Kennedy neck
bullet was pulled out after the autopsy and turned over
the corner, and he even confirmed this at the grand
jury hearing, he said, yes, I see my markings on it.
I put tea in for myals and thirty one because
(14:01):
I always use the last two digits of the autopsy
case number. So he knew exactly what he had put
on the bullet, and it was still there at the
grand jury. But in nineteen seventy five, after the film
the second gun had come out and there was talked
of conspiracy in the case, a very limited hearing was
held just to look at the bullets and the gun
(14:23):
and nothing else, no other evidence of conspiracy, just to
see could these bullets have come from Sir Han's gun
or multiple guns, because Harper had looked at the bullets
and said these bullets are clearly coming from two different guns.
They're not the same types of bullets, and they're clearly
at least two different firing positions. So, but the bullet
(14:44):
that should have said TM thirty one in nineteen seventy
five magically now says DWTN on the base. Now, the
base of a bullet is like the size of a
pencil eraser. It's not like you would have room for
DW one, or that Thomas Degucci would have somehow left
room for DW to creep in there. You know, it's
(15:07):
it was a different bullet. And the reason to switch
them would be, again, if none of them matched Sir
Han's gun, that would be a problem. And so and
that's kind of what the panel found. They said, we
couldn't match any of the bullets to Sir Hans gun,
but we could at least match the bullets to each other,
and therefore we say only one gun was used. And
(15:28):
I'm like, yeah, only one gun was used because Wolfer
used it after the assassination to dummy up the bullets
through investigating. It's just crazy, you know, how could you
just wave that away like it's a small thing. And
they said, well, Sir Hans's gun barrel was let it
and they tried to say, oh, police got access to
the gun and they fired souvenir bullets from it. That's
(15:50):
not true. Believe me, if Wolfer could have gotten access
to Sir Han's gun, he would have dummied it up.
With Sir Han's gun. He would have just fired more bullets.
Claim those were the victim bullets.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with E
Lisa Peace with us as we talk about the assassination
of Robert F. Kennedy. Lisa, you were talking about the
situation and the Ambassador Hotel where Rayfer Johnson, the Olympic star,
was tackling Sirhan Sirhan while an announcer was out there saying,
get the gun, Rafer, get the gun, Rafer, and Rosie
(00:27):
Greer was there saying that to the football player. Rosie
still alive. Rayfer died about five years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, I saw on the fiftieth annivers sixty fiftieth anniversary. Yeah,
there was a little ceremony and I saw him briefly.
But yeah, we've lost Rafer. I don't know if Rosie's
still around.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So do you think it's possible that those responsible for
the assassination found several people who were shooters there and
set them up and put them in there, but also
found the young Palestinian by the name of Hands. Sure Hand.
They figured he'd be disgruntled and it would be a
perfect alibi, and they got the guy hypnotized him, put
(01:09):
a gun in his hand and sent him in there.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I think that's exactly what happened. And note the date.
It was June fifth, you know, and June fifth, one
year earlier was the Sixth Day War, right, they were
in the middle of the Sixth Day War between Arab
and the Arabs and the Israelis. And so it kind
of if you're the CIA. And it's funny because I
(01:34):
Howard Hudd said this in one of his interviews. He's like,
the CI looks at the dates of events and he's like,
he picked They picked them for maximum psychological value. And
so if you're trying to shore up your Israeli friends overseas,
you know, after they sunk one of our ships in
nineteen sixty seven, the USS Liberty, which kind of strained relations,
(01:59):
you know, then maybe you have a Palestinian, you know,
appear to shoot Robert Kennedy and that helps, you know,
strengthen the sympathy towards the Israeli cause. So, you know,
it's when the CI does operations, they look for the
twufer like with Oswald and JFK. They were also seeking
(02:21):
to take down the Fairplay for Cuba Committee and so
you know, to have a member of the Fair Play
for Cuba Committee or even one of its officers, because
he pretended he ran the New Orleans office even though
he didn't. There was no such thing. But that was
a way to discredit the FPCC as well as kill
(02:41):
jfk You know, why get just one thing done if
you can get two or three things done at the
same time. And I laughed, but none of this is funny.
Of course I'm partly coughing laughing, So apologies there.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Now, Robert F. Kennedy Junior believes that Sir Hans Sir
Hens should be what do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yes, well, actually I was the one who got him
to meet Sir hand because I was helping Robert Ketty
with his earlier book, American Values. I was literally sitting
beside him at his kitchen tables. We're going through some drafts,
and I said, by the way, have you ever talked
to Sir Hann. He's like no, And I said would
you like to? He's like yes, and I'm like, well,
(03:23):
I'll get you in touch with his lawyer, who was
then a different lawyer than the one he has now.
And that lawyer like couldn't believe it. She's like, oh
my god, Lisa, how did you do that? Because they've
been trying to, you know, bring him into the case
for years and it just, you know, it's one of
those timing, serendipity things. And so he called me from
the car on the way back and I'm like, what
(03:44):
did you think? And he goes, he's a sweet guy.
There's no way he did this. And you know that
by itself obviously is a subjective judgment. But he matches
all the other evidence.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And Governor knew show him back into thou twenty two,
I believe blocked any parole release on Sir Han.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Did he not?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yes, he did. And worse, he claimed he went to
the archives and looked through all the evidence himself, which
I know for a fact if he went to the archives,
he definitely didn't look at all the evidence, because there's
no way he could have concluded Sir hand was guilty.
It's Newsom's been posturing to run for president for a
very long time. Those of us in California have seen
(04:26):
this coming ten miles away. So I'm sure that that
was one of the you know, the hurdles, like is
he going to free Sir Han or is he going
to want to be a conventional CI defender candidate, And
of course he would choose to be the conventional candidate.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So, Liza, do you believe that the people responsible for
the assassination in nineteen sixty three of John F. Kennedy
might be the same people responsible for the assassination of
Robert F. Kennedy five years later.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, you know, he just got a big clue in
that regard because a CBS reporter called me and alerted
me to a document I hadn't seen because it came
out after my book was published. It's not in this release,
but if you google Sir hann and CIA, you will
find this document. And it turns out that, supposedly after
(05:17):
the assassination and possibly before, guess who gets to hold
the Sir hand file and control all the information going
between CI and LAPD The same guy, James Angleton, who
had been controlling the Oswold file at CIA since nineteen
fifty nine, four years before Kennedy was shot, and he
(05:41):
was still controlling it right up to the last minute,
when you know, when the assassination went down. So it's
very interesting, odd, disturbing that Angleton is also now kind
of sticking his nose into the RFK case, or like
I said, maybe Sir hamm was one of his assets.
Because people don't understand how the CI works. There's the
(06:04):
think of a brain with two halves. One half is
devoted to like research and analysis. That's the overt intelligence side,
the intelligence gathering side. But then the other half is
the covert action side, the operation side. And so you
would expect if the CIA had nothing to do with
(06:26):
this and they just wanted to research their hands background
as a Palestinian coming from another country. You know, in
the context of the assassination, the right place for that
would have been the analysis side, But instead the operation
side takes hold of it. So that to me strongly
implies the operation side maybe had something to cover up.
(06:51):
And I just want to I want to read you
just a tiny bit of this document. I'm going to
read you the opening. It says Sir hansir Hann's security
file reflects that he had never been of interest to
the agency prior to the assassination of Robert Kennedy. That's
very interesting wordy because it doesn't say Sir hanser Han
(07:14):
was never of interest to the agency. It says his
security file reflects he had never been of interest and
it's easy to dum me up a file to make
it look like you only just learned of him on
June fifth, right, But then they say on June fifth,
when Sir Ann was identified, the Director of Central Intelligence,
that would be Richard Helms, who we believe was probably
(07:35):
part of the JFK assassination, met with the Deputy Chief
of the CI staff. The CI staff is run by
James Angleton and the assistant Deputy Director for plans, who
was Cord Meyer, who was married to Mary Meyer and
a good friend of Angleton's, and the director of Security
and directed that the CI staff would be the focal
(07:58):
point for action in a CIRT hand case. So to me,
this is a stunning admission that the operational side of
CIA is taking control of this. It also says that
they reached out to the LAPD and said we're prepared
to cooperate with you.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
There may be other documents I haven't seen yet where
maybe the LAPD reached out first. But if the CI
reached out to the LAPD first and not the other
way around, again, that's really interesting. So there will be
more files to come. This first drop of the RFK
files was only like existing FBI files that were already
(08:42):
set aside, readily identifiable, easy to scan. But they're now
trying to scan in some CIA files that we know
they have on the Robert Kennedy assassination, because, as I
talked about in my book, the CIA was helping the LAPD.
It was mentioned in the very first broadcast press conference
(09:03):
that Chief Thomas Rehtten gave. In fact, he literally choked.
He said he was getting help from the CIA and
State Department. And one of the reporters said, what do
you mean the CIA? What did they help with? And
he started like choking. He couldn't sub form the words.
He's like, the the CIA. You know. He finally got
it out, and other than that, he'd been calm, smooth
(09:25):
as silk, but that question really upset him, which also
makes you wonder was that a sensitive spot because maybe
they knew the CIA had been involved in that hit
and we were talking about Sir Ann's position being in
front of him. And I just want to note that
the LAPD knew on day one that that was a problem,
(09:46):
and it's right there in some of the early witness interviews.
In fact, I think it was Rafer Johnson who was
the first to note that Syrinne was facing him, and
the policeman who's interviewing him, he's like, wait, wait a minute,
go back. He said he was in front of him
because he knew the wounds were from behind. So there's something.
And the other thing is there are now photos, clear
(10:10):
photos released in this release that show the extra bullet
holes in the pantry, because not only were five other
people shot, but there were at least four holes in
the doorframes that Kennedy had walked through, two in the
center divider and two in the southernmost edge of the
double door divider. And in the past the photos have
(10:34):
been really sketchy, hard to share, but they're pretty clear
copies online now, so if people you want to poke through,
they can find that now. I also want to give
people a warning if they start poking through the RFK files.
The autopsy photos have now been released and they are
very disturbing, to say the least. I was so shocked.
(10:56):
Especially the first photo to me, was completely unnecessary because
it didn't tell me anything about the wounds. It was
just kind of exploitive, and that I was a little
sad to see, but there were shots that show clearly
exactly where the shots entered under the arm, because Kennedy
wasn't only shot behind the right ear. He was also
(11:18):
shot literally if you put two fingers under your armpit
as I'm doing now that no one can see.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Crazy. How many times was he shot? A couple times?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
He was shot four times. One shot only went through clothing,
so that didn't enter his body. But these other two shots.
One lodged at the base of his neck, and that's
the bullet they pulled out for comparison purposes. They didn't
retrieve that until he was dead because that bullet was
not life threatening. The one that killed him was the
(11:49):
one behind the ear. But there was also one more
shot that entered under his arm and then exited the
front of his chest, you know, puncturing his lungs on
the way out. Those shots also were shot at not
more than three inches away, So all of those shots,
and again, Sir Hann was captured after the second shot.
As soon as you know, the major d was like
(12:11):
right next to him, and when Sir Hann started firing,
he immediately grabbed him and moved the gun away. From
Kennedy and away from the crowd, and you know other
people were grabbing him too. Yet Kennedy was shot four
times in five other people were shot. It doesn't make
any sense if we try and stick to the official story.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
What do you think of the possibility, Lisa, that the
shooter put the gun in Sir Han's hand before he
fled off.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It's entirely possible because as we were talking before one
of these breaks, there was a moment where they got
a gun out of Sir Han's hand, and then a
gun is on the table and Sir Ham picks up
this other well and again it could be the same
gun or another gun. We really don't know. Somebody could
literally have switched the guns, so we don't know what
(12:59):
he brought. And I wouldn't make a big deal about that.
I would say it was the same gun, except that
Lynn Mangan who was a neighbor of Sarans and did
a lot of research on the ballistics and talked to
Bill Harper, who was the neighboring city's criminalist. Doin Wolfer
was LAPD, but in Pasadena, Bill Harper, who had been
(13:21):
former OSS, he got very interested in this because he
didn't trust Wolfer at all because he knew his work
as a professional colleague was terrible. And he told Lynn,
he's like they switched the gun. They switched the bullets.
And there's definite proof that they switched the bullets because
(13:41):
when a bullet is taken into evidence, the markings on
the bullet are also logged. So when that Kennedy neck
bullet was pulled out after the autopsy and turned over
the corner, and he even confirmed this at the grand
jury hearing, he said, yes, I see my markings on it.
I put tea in for myals and thirty one because
(14:01):
I always use the last two digits of the autopsy
case number. So he knew exactly what he had put
on the bullet, and it was still there at the
grand jury. But in nineteen seventy five, after the film
the second gun had come out and there was talked
of conspiracy in the case, a very limited hearing was
held just to look at the bullets and the gun
(14:23):
and nothing else, no other evidence of conspiracy, just to
see could these bullets have come from Sir Han's gun
or multiple guns, because Harper had looked at the bullets
and said these bullets are clearly coming from two different guns.
They're not the same types of bullets, and they're clearly
at least two different firing positions. So, but the bullet
(14:44):
that should have said TM thirty one in nineteen seventy
five magically now says DWTN on the base. Now, the
base of a bullet is like the size of a
pencil eraser. It's not like you would have room for
DW one, or that Thomas Degucci would have somehow left
room for DW to creep in there. You know, it's
(15:07):
it was a different bullet. And the reason to switch
them would be, again, if none of them matched Sir
Han's gun, that would be a problem. And so and
that's kind of what the panel found. They said, we
couldn't match any of the bullets to Sir Hans gun,
but we could at least match the bullets to each other,
and therefore we say only one gun was used. And
(15:28):
I'm like, yeah, only one gun was used because Wolfer
used it after the assassination to dummy up the bullets
through investigating. It's just crazy, you know, how could you
just wave that away like it's a small thing. And
they said, well, Sir Hans's gun barrel was let it
and they tried to say, oh, police got access to
the gun and they fired souvenir bullets from it. That's
(15:50):
not true. Believe me, if Wolfer could have gotten access
to Sir Han's gun, he would have dummied it up.
With Sir Han's gun. He would have just fired more bullets.
Claim those were the victim bullets.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
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Speaker 1 (16:02):
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