October 5, 2025 • 13 mins
Guest host Lisa Garr and neuroscientist Dr. Tara Swart have a scientific discussion about messages humans receive from the universe.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I asked you a loaded question before the break, doctor Tara,
about paranormal science. What do you, in your professional opinion
from a neuroscience perspective, somebody who sees an alien or
a ghost or another, you know, extraterrestrial being that have
(00:26):
no prior identification with them. Have you interviewed people like that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I haven't personally interviewed people like that, but I have
looked into a couple of areas of research that I
think irrelevant to this. So the first one is what's
known as the observable universe. So from the science point
of view, we know that the universe is either infinite
or boundless, and that we can only see as far
(00:53):
into the universe as it takes the speed of light
to travel back to us. So we know that there
is more to the universe that we can't see, but
we accept that it's there scientifically even though we can't
see it. And I think a lot of you know,
the issue with sciences that everything has to be provable
and measurable, but there are definitely things like the observable
(01:15):
universe where we accept that it exists even though we
can't see it. Professor David Eagleman from UCLA talks about
this idea that the brain is like a radio that
can receive signals, and he says this can't be proven,
but it categorically can't be disproven. And Professor Donald Hoffman
talks about the construct of the universe, which we currently
(01:39):
accept as the space time continuum, even though we can't
prove it, and he suggests that consciousness may actually be
the construct of the universe and that that is not
provable but also not disprovable. So I'm setting that up
to say that they're you know, science doesn't have all
the answers for everything, and so when we look at
things like normal activity or visions. I'm going to go
(02:03):
with the research on what I call the claires so
clairvoyance most people have heard of, which is that you
see things that will happen in the future, or you
see It's also connected to remote viewing, which is seeing
things that are so far away you couldn't possibly actually
see those things, but you still see them. Claire, audience
(02:24):
is hearing things that are you know that you shouldn't
be able to perceive. With what we understand about current hearing,
and then Claire cognizance is just knowing something in your
mind to be true, even though there's no rational way
of explaining it, and Clare sentience is this similar thing,
but feeling it in your body. So I think that
(02:47):
when people experience these paranormal visions or activities, they're probably
tapping into one of those senses that isn't physiologically strictly
a sense in the way that I created the table
in the book of the thirty four physiological senses that
we have, which already is like so far away from
(03:08):
the fact that most people think we have five senses,
and some people talk about a sixth sense, and some
people think that's intuition, some people think it's balance that
humans actually have thirty four senses as far as a
scientific literature review would tell us that today. So, for example,
taste is subdivided into five, which is sweet, sour, salty, bitter,
(03:33):
and umami. But umami was only discovered and named in
the nineteen eighties. But does that mean that we didn't
have umami sense before that? Of course not. So we
had it, we just didn't know, no, we had it.
We didn't have a name for it, and I think
that's as far as I can go, you know, staying
really scientific to explain this kind of paranormal activity. And
(03:57):
another thing I will say is that there's so much
an ancient wisdom that we've forgotten, things that our ancestors knew,
which are pretty much hidden in plain sight for us
to recall and use in the modern day to heal
a lot of mental health issues and you know, just
stress and physical issues as well. That it's very arrogant
(04:18):
of us to think that a that we are the
last type of human that will ever exist. I mean,
let's ask the listeners. Do you ever think about the
day in the life of Homo erectus, What dreams of
ambitions and emotions did that person have? What did they
know that we don't know? You know, at some point
we will just be a blip in the history of
(04:38):
humanity as Homo sapiens. There's going to be other forms
of human in the future, and so there.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Could be now I mean, for us could be only
one is yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
We cannot discount that there are other types of beings
that aren't necessarily human that potentially show themselves to us
or we access seeing somehow that can't be explained at
the moment in that provable, measurable, evidence based kind of way,
but also shouldn't be dismissed.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right because it's not disprovable, right. Essentially, So these forms
of consciousness, maybe they are alternative forms of consciousness that
come in, Like your husband is in a form of
consciousness that can connect with you. Why wouldn't we have
(05:36):
beings from other planets or outer beings also be in
the form of consciousness to connect with us, right, Yeah, absolutely,
So it's kind of the same thing as the communication
with your husband. Has it faded over the years or
is it still as strong?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It hasn't faded at all. It got stronger and stronger
to the point that it's daily communication. And yeah, that's
how I live my life. You know, I live a
very normal life as a human and a very scientific
life as a professional. But talking to my husband and
him communicating with me is absolutely part of my everyday
(06:21):
life and I hope it always will be.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Have you ever heard from your husband that you would
be doing a lot of media podcasts and so forth.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
So on a very big podcast that I was on
in twenty twenty three, I said at the end that
I'd actually wanted to be an actress when I was
at high school and my English teacher said that I
was so talented that I should read English at Oxford
University and go to the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art.
And I came home and told my father and he
(06:55):
literally said, over my dead body, you will go to
medical school. Yes, So I actually did. So I mostly
talked to Robin. I don't really try to talk to
that many other people, but I've also lost a lot
of other people. So after that episode came out, I
wrote in my journal, now that my father's crossed over,
(07:18):
which is literally literally over his dead body. If I
now have your permission to become an actress, send me
a sign, and the sign should be that I will
bump into a famous actress. That will be my sign.
So I am the trustee of a charity called the
Lady Garden Foundation for Gynecological Cancers, and every year we
(07:38):
have a Christmas Carol concert, and I was on the
committee a couple of years ago for that, and I
invited a friend to join me. So we met early
and we were standing in the doorway of the church
and a lady entered and so I tried. I moved.
I stepped to the left to get out of her
way so that she could pass, but she also stepped
(07:59):
to the left, so we physically bumped into each other.
She said sorry and walked on, and I said to
my friend, Oh, my goodness, that's Anna Friel. I love
her as an actress because she actually played a psychotic
patient in a series that I watched, and she was
so good. And I had forgotten what I'd written in
my journal. So when I went back to my journal
(08:19):
to write in it and I saw that that's what
I'd written, I mean, it still takes my breath away
when these signs come. Even though I'm you know, I've
said to you it's like every day for me, it's
still when something like that happens, just it just feels incredible.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I find it extraordinary that you put in specific requests
like this, show me an actress. And is there a
way that you recommend looking for or asking for these signs?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yes? So you know, what I say to my friends
and my loved ones is exactly what I'd love to
say to the listeners is if you've lost someone and
you'd like to receive a sign, from them. Think of
a you know, a very fond memory or a shared
joke that only really you and that person would know.
Choose a symbol that represents that memory, and then ask
(09:12):
them to send it to you. And at first I
would say that's enough, just to leave it like that,
but later you can put parameters around it. Like I said,
it has to be in the next twenty four hours,
it has to be three times. It has to be
only if I, you know, go out of my usual
way of walking home or something like that, because then,
(09:34):
of course it's more convincing. But I think if people
aren't in the practice of it, then just asking for
the sign and waiting for it to happen is a
good start.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Even if you're a skeptic, will this work well?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
As a you know, former medical doctor, I took the
oath of do no harm, and that's I always come
back to that if I'm in doubt, and so I
think the worst thing that can happen if someone asks
for a sign is that they just don't get one.
But it's not going to harm them. And therefore I
really encourage anyone that you know, even wants to try
to just ask.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No harm in that yeah, no harm at all. I
listen to you talk about the five D world and
if we've spoken about it before on this show with
you know, first, second, third dimension is what we know now,
in fourth dimension could be that of the senses in
the fifth dimension, what do you explain as the fifth dimension?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I mean, you know, I've obviously heard people at Gaya
speaking about this, and I when I was last in Boulder, Colorado,
wasn't at the level of spiritual evolution that I'm at now,
So I would definitely defer to you know, the kind
of people I hung out with in Boulder who know
a lot more about that than me. But personally, I
would say, it's about these different planes, austral planes that
(10:59):
it exist and potentially that we can access. And actually
what the science says is this belief in something greater
is very important for human potential. In The Five Regrets
of the Dying, a book written by a palliative care
nurse who nurse a lot of people who passed away,
(11:22):
one of the things she says is that the difference
you noticed between people who feared death and people who
didn't was that the people who didn't believed in something greater.
Now that could be the fifth dimension, it could be Source,
it could be universe, it could be nature, it could
be God. It's different things for different people. So you know,
(11:47):
whatever that is for you, that belief that there is
more seems to be very important to the human soul
and its ability to navigate this life, this material life.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Interesting. I'm wondering if you care and if you can
communicate with someone who's crossed over that you don't know. So,
for example, Jane Goodall recently passed, and she had such
a huge impact in this world. I wonder if you
can communicate or connect with a lost love when the well,
(12:20):
a person that's crossed over that you don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to do today
is I'm going to ask for the sign of a chimpanzee.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Oh that's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
And yeah, if I see you on that means that
Jane Goodall can communicate.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
With Would you let me know? Because you love to
do I would love to know.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Let's all do it. Let's all do it.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Because that raises awareness about the chimpanzees, which she, you know,
so beautifully did in her wonderful career. That you know,
let us all know the millions and millions of chimpanzees
that once existed now only being a couple hundred thousand.
I mean, she really raised awareness. So if we if
we could see a sign or a symbol of a chimpanzee,
(13:04):
that would be incredible. Do you hear of extraordinary signs
from people? You must hear incredible stories.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Oh thousands. I mean my team literally have not been
able to go through all the emails yet that we
received since before the book came out, I did a
big podcast, The Diary of a CEO, where I first
shared my personal grief story and my story of signs,
and we've been inundated since then. I actually did not
(13:32):
realize how much impact this would have, how many people
have pretty much the same story.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I asked you a loaded question before the break, doctor Tara,
about paranormal science. What do you, in your professional opinion
from a neuroscience perspective, somebody who sees an alien or
a ghost or another, you know, extraterrestrial being that have
(00:26):
no prior identification with them. Have you interviewed people like that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I haven't personally interviewed people like that, but I have
looked into a couple of areas of research that I
think irrelevant to this. So the first one is what's
known as the observable universe. So from the science point
of view, we know that the universe is either infinite
or boundless, and that we can only see as far
(00:53):
into the universe as it takes the speed of light
to travel back to us. So we know that there
is more to the universe that we can't see, but
we accept that it's there scientifically even though we can't
see it. And I think a lot of you know,
the issue with sciences that everything has to be provable
and measurable, but there are definitely things like the observable
(01:15):
universe where we accept that it exists even though we
can't see it. Professor David Eagleman from UCLA talks about
this idea that the brain is like a radio that
can receive signals, and he says this can't be proven,
but it categorically can't be disproven. And Professor Donald Hoffman
talks about the construct of the universe, which we currently
(01:39):
accept as the space time continuum, even though we can't
prove it, and he suggests that consciousness may actually be
the construct of the universe and that that is not
provable but also not disprovable. So I'm setting that up
to say that they're you know, science doesn't have all
the answers for everything, and so when we look at
things like normal activity or visions. I'm going to go
(02:03):
with the research on what I call the claires so
clairvoyance most people have heard of, which is that you
see things that will happen in the future, or you
see It's also connected to remote viewing, which is seeing
things that are so far away you couldn't possibly actually
see those things, but you still see them. Claire, audience
(02:24):
is hearing things that are you know that you shouldn't
be able to perceive. With what we understand about current hearing,
and then Claire cognizance is just knowing something in your
mind to be true, even though there's no rational way
of explaining it, and Clare sentience is this similar thing,
but feeling it in your body. So I think that
(02:47):
when people experience these paranormal visions or activities, they're probably
tapping into one of those senses that isn't physiologically strictly
a sense in the way that I created the table
in the book of the thirty four physiological senses that
we have, which already is like so far away from
(03:08):
the fact that most people think we have five senses,
and some people talk about a sixth sense, and some
people think that's intuition, some people think it's balance that
humans actually have thirty four senses as far as a
scientific literature review would tell us that today. So, for example,
taste is subdivided into five, which is sweet, sour, salty, bitter,
(03:33):
and umami. But umami was only discovered and named in
the nineteen eighties. But does that mean that we didn't
have umami sense before that? Of course not. So we
had it, we just didn't know, no, we had it.
We didn't have a name for it, and I think
that's as far as I can go, you know, staying
really scientific to explain this kind of paranormal activity. And
(03:57):
another thing I will say is that there's so much
an ancient wisdom that we've forgotten, things that our ancestors knew,
which are pretty much hidden in plain sight for us
to recall and use in the modern day to heal
a lot of mental health issues and you know, just
stress and physical issues as well. That it's very arrogant
(04:18):
of us to think that a that we are the
last type of human that will ever exist. I mean,
let's ask the listeners. Do you ever think about the
day in the life of Homo erectus, What dreams of
ambitions and emotions did that person have? What did they
know that we don't know? You know, at some point
we will just be a blip in the history of
(04:38):
humanity as Homo sapiens. There's going to be other forms
of human in the future, and so there.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Could be now I mean, for us could be only
one is yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
We cannot discount that there are other types of beings
that aren't necessarily human that potentially show themselves to us
or we access seeing somehow that can't be explained at
the moment in that provable, measurable, evidence based kind of way,
but also shouldn't be dismissed.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right because it's not disprovable, right. Essentially, So these forms
of consciousness, maybe they are alternative forms of consciousness that
come in, Like your husband is in a form of
consciousness that can connect with you. Why wouldn't we have
(05:36):
beings from other planets or outer beings also be in
the form of consciousness to connect with us, right, Yeah, absolutely,
So it's kind of the same thing as the communication
with your husband. Has it faded over the years or
is it still as strong?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It hasn't faded at all. It got stronger and stronger
to the point that it's daily communication. And yeah, that's
how I live my life. You know, I live a
very normal life as a human and a very scientific
life as a professional. But talking to my husband and
him communicating with me is absolutely part of my everyday
(06:21):
life and I hope it always will be.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Have you ever heard from your husband that you would
be doing a lot of media podcasts and so forth.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
So on a very big podcast that I was on
in twenty twenty three, I said at the end that
I'd actually wanted to be an actress when I was
at high school and my English teacher said that I
was so talented that I should read English at Oxford
University and go to the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art.
And I came home and told my father and he
(06:55):
literally said, over my dead body, you will go to
medical school. Yes, So I actually did. So I mostly
talked to Robin. I don't really try to talk to
that many other people, but I've also lost a lot
of other people. So after that episode came out, I
wrote in my journal, now that my father's crossed over,
(07:18):
which is literally literally over his dead body. If I
now have your permission to become an actress, send me
a sign, and the sign should be that I will
bump into a famous actress. That will be my sign.
So I am the trustee of a charity called the
Lady Garden Foundation for Gynecological Cancers, and every year we
(07:38):
have a Christmas Carol concert, and I was on the
committee a couple of years ago for that, and I
invited a friend to join me. So we met early
and we were standing in the doorway of the church
and a lady entered and so I tried. I moved.
I stepped to the left to get out of her
way so that she could pass, but she also stepped
(07:59):
to the left, so we physically bumped into each other.
She said sorry and walked on, and I said to
my friend, Oh, my goodness, that's Anna Friel. I love
her as an actress because she actually played a psychotic
patient in a series that I watched, and she was
so good. And I had forgotten what I'd written in
my journal. So when I went back to my journal
(08:19):
to write in it and I saw that that's what
I'd written, I mean, it still takes my breath away
when these signs come. Even though I'm you know, I've
said to you it's like every day for me, it's
still when something like that happens, just it just feels incredible.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I find it extraordinary that you put in specific requests
like this, show me an actress. And is there a
way that you recommend looking for or asking for these signs?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yes? So you know, what I say to my friends
and my loved ones is exactly what I'd love to
say to the listeners is if you've lost someone and
you'd like to receive a sign, from them. Think of
a you know, a very fond memory or a shared
joke that only really you and that person would know.
Choose a symbol that represents that memory, and then ask
(09:12):
them to send it to you. And at first I
would say that's enough, just to leave it like that,
but later you can put parameters around it. Like I said,
it has to be in the next twenty four hours,
it has to be three times. It has to be
only if I, you know, go out of my usual
way of walking home or something like that, because then,
(09:34):
of course it's more convincing. But I think if people
aren't in the practice of it, then just asking for
the sign and waiting for it to happen is a
good start.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Even if you're a skeptic, will this work well?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
As a you know, former medical doctor, I took the
oath of do no harm, and that's I always come
back to that if I'm in doubt, and so I
think the worst thing that can happen if someone asks
for a sign is that they just don't get one.
But it's not going to harm them. And therefore I
really encourage anyone that you know, even wants to try
to just ask.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No harm in that yeah, no harm at all. I
listen to you talk about the five D world and
if we've spoken about it before on this show with
you know, first, second, third dimension is what we know now,
in fourth dimension could be that of the senses in
the fifth dimension, what do you explain as the fifth dimension?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I mean, you know, I've obviously heard people at Gaya
speaking about this, and I when I was last in Boulder, Colorado,
wasn't at the level of spiritual evolution that I'm at now,
So I would definitely defer to you know, the kind
of people I hung out with in Boulder who know
a lot more about that than me. But personally, I
would say, it's about these different planes, austral planes that
(10:59):
it exist and potentially that we can access. And actually
what the science says is this belief in something greater
is very important for human potential. In The Five Regrets
of the Dying, a book written by a palliative care
nurse who nurse a lot of people who passed away,
(11:22):
one of the things she says is that the difference
you noticed between people who feared death and people who
didn't was that the people who didn't believed in something greater.
Now that could be the fifth dimension, it could be Source,
it could be universe, it could be nature, it could
be God. It's different things for different people. So you know,
(11:47):
whatever that is for you, that belief that there is
more seems to be very important to the human soul
and its ability to navigate this life, this material life.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Interesting. I'm wondering if you care and if you can
communicate with someone who's crossed over that you don't know. So,
for example, Jane Goodall recently passed, and she had such
a huge impact in this world. I wonder if you
can communicate or connect with a lost love when the well,
(12:20):
a person that's crossed over that you don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to do today
is I'm going to ask for the sign of a chimpanzee.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Oh that's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
And yeah, if I see you on that means that
Jane Goodall can communicate.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
With Would you let me know? Because you love to
do I would love to know.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Let's all do it. Let's all do it.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Because that raises awareness about the chimpanzees, which she, you know,
so beautifully did in her wonderful career. That you know,
let us all know the millions and millions of chimpanzees
that once existed now only being a couple hundred thousand.
I mean, she really raised awareness. So if we if
we could see a sign or a symbol of a chimpanzee,
(13:04):
that would be incredible. Do you hear of extraordinary signs
from people? You must hear incredible stories.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Oh thousands. I mean my team literally have not been
able to go through all the emails yet that we
received since before the book came out, I did a
big podcast, The Diary of a CEO, where I first
shared my personal grief story and my story of signs,
and we've been inundated since then. I actually did not
(13:32):
realize how much impact this would have, how many people
have pretty much the same story.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
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