October 8, 2019 • 17 mins
George Noory and author Heidi Hollis explore her research into shadow people and the Hatman, demonic entities that people are seeing in the middle of the night, whether they are coming from another dimension and if they are trying to steal people's souls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio. Okay,
welcome back. Heidi hollis with us. Heidi, of course, is
that truth seeker of the unknown, an expert on the
Shadow people the Hatman phenomena. She actually gave them both
their descriptive names in her books The Secret War, a
True Story about a real Alien War, and Shadow People
(00:21):
in The Hat Band, The True Story of Evil Encounters.
Heidi is a radio talk show host The Outlander, a
cartoonist occupational therapist as well. Her paranormal comic strip is
called The Outlanders, very popular as well. Heidi, welcome back.
Oh hey, they're George, just making my parents proud. Mary.
(00:41):
You know what you do, such a wonderful job every
time you're on the program. Every time. Thanks George, I
appreciate it. Optimistic. How did the shadow people and the
hat People come your way? What happened? Oh gosh, man,
I was just very unlucky. I first spotted the shadow
(01:03):
people following a friend of mine, a shadow being shoulders shadow. Yeah,
that was the first experience, and I thought, honestly that
you know, you know, I know, I was the same
things I knew I'd seen something, and I saw this
thing following us on a bright sunny day and we
reached our destination and this thing followed us all the
(01:25):
way back, and by the time I got back to
my friend's home, I was just beside myself. I'm like,
you know, I grabbed a piece of paper and I
drew this hulking, shadowy thing with a head directly connected
to its shoulders, just black. And you know, I'm thinking
my friend's gonna laugh and think, you know what if
he if he go what's going on with this girl?
(01:46):
And she takes a look at it, and she's just like, oh,
bad thing. I don't know. That thing's been following me
since I was a kid, And I was just like, what,
you know, And I had to go grab something and
from my room I was staying at my friend's house.
How to grab something from the attic second floor room,
only to be met with this thing blocking my way
(02:08):
out of the room. So, I mean, just it's such
a weird thing to express the people that you feel
that something is wanting to kill you, to rip your
life from you. And I just closed my eyes, saying
a prayer and walked right through it and made it
(02:29):
out of that room, and that began my introduction to
shadow people. Would you say that most of the shadow
people that people witness are evil or dangerous? I would
say one hundred percent. I mean I get some people
that are just like, oh, I think especially hat Man
(02:50):
he's my guardian. I like, I've gotten a handful of
those reports and I'm starting to see a little bit
more of that. But I'm like, what makes you think that? Well,
because he doesn't gare me and he just watches over me,
and I'm like, you know, but eventually it comes to
if I get if I get the person far enough along,
or they write me back, they're like, you know, I
(03:11):
thought he was a guardian, and then it became this.
He became threatening, He became intimidating and talking and yeah,
so I mean it's as if he's gauging how close
he could get to a person and what he can
do once he does get close. So it's, uh, yeah,
it's I don't I wouldn't trust I wouldn't trust the
(03:32):
hat Man. Anything black and shadowy with red eyes. I
don't know, George, that doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.
How about you? Now, what is the difference between hat
Man and shadow Man. You know, I had I come
on your show several times, thank you George, and oh good, Yeah,
(03:53):
I'd come on and I described hat Man as being
the hat Man shadow and you know, I had not
seen him. My college roommate seen him, and we had
seen so many different forms of shadow people that we
just we just assumed that this was another form that
shadow people could take. Though he did come through very,
(04:14):
very solid, So it was I just didn't know how
to categorize him. And then my email started changing from
this man wears a suit, he sits on my bed,
he talks. Sometimes he's clean shaven, sometimes he's got a goatee,
you know, and his hat is changing, and sometimes sometimes
(04:35):
it doesn't wear a hat. So I was like, you know,
hold on, you know, and this guy started introducing himself
to some people, admitting and saying he was the devil himself.
And you know, shadow people they're kind of whispy and
they could take on different forms, and they're blacker than
the night. You know, hat Man he could he could
walk through a wall. He could kind of stand in
(04:57):
the shadows and look shadowy, but he'll come solid and
that looks very physical. Then don't they very physical and
directing the other shadow entities in the room. If there
are others, are they out to get your soul? Heidi? Honestly,
I really do believe so. Um you know, gosh, when
(05:19):
it comes to the hat Man's he makes me so mad.
I don't I don't even it's like it's weird to
take it personal, but I gets so angry with these
emails that I'm getting in the stories that I hear
people saying he reached into my chest and he pulled
my soul out and kicking and screaming and begging, and
(05:41):
he's dragging me through the wall into the yard. You know.
Sometimes he's flying them somewhere, and I mean it's yeah,
he's after they're souls. And it's getting worse. George just
getting to the point that I don't want to say
that we're ever to lose this battle, you know, but
(06:02):
I think people need to wake up to the threat
that it's not just a possibility, it's a threat. He
is looking, he is coming. It's a crazy thing to say,
But where did the boogeyman talk ever come? I think
it came from this guy what summons them up? The
headman and the shadow people what creates them or makes
(06:25):
them pop up? You know, I'm thinking, honestly, there's a
definite connection to aliens. If somebody's been abducted, have a
lot of alien contact, it seems that shadow beings are
not far behind. Um hat man as well. Um, you
know some people, I always say, you know thyself, you know,
(06:48):
if you like to pet a dog or kick a dog.
You know, Um, it's a it's a good way to decide, Oh,
what side of sense do I sit on? Well, let's
say here, Um, you know if even know you're bit
rotten on the inside. Yeah, yeah, these things might make
a space in their lives for you. But also I'm
finding more often than not, though, George, this is just
(07:11):
this is even more disturbing that the people that are
getting targeted are gifted in some manner that their light
may just be brighter than the next person, and they
want to stomp off that light. They want to control
their future. So people gifted, when I when I say that,
it's like they may be very empathic. They might have
(07:32):
the gift to be able to see things or no things.
And my goodness, if a person in a crowd can
spot these rotten good for nothings coming you sure, you know,
if you're a rotten good for nothing you start, wouldn't
want that person in the crowd to you know, be
fully supported and appearing as saying, you know, so these
(07:53):
things try to lean in and crowd their life and
isolate them, oppress them, and you know, get them depressed
and suicidal and homicidal and anything that you can imagine
that's negative. Any idea where they come from, Heidi, I
always thought that, for example, shadow people may have come
from another dimension and they kind of leak their way
(08:15):
into hours. Yeah. Well, you know, when you think about
alien beings coming in from another dimension and these things
being associated with them, you know, I think that, you know,
I don't know if i'd really care to find out
where the heck they came from, because I wouldn't want
(08:36):
to visit, but I would say that, you know, I
don't think they're from here. I think they're from an
other whether it's another planet, another dimension. And from what
I learned from the contact that I had with some
alien beings who said this was not their first planet,
(08:57):
that they have done this across the universe. Uh, they've
People wonder what's the common thread when it comes to
various alien beings. And I was told that it's it's
the shadow beings that they are conquered beings, that they
are enslaved too, these shadow beings, and my goodness, if
(09:19):
hat Man has anything to do with it, I mean,
he's just going to keep building this enslaved army. What
conjures them up? Though? I mean why do they appear?
Do they sense something about the person? You know? I
find a lot of people are accidentally spotting them, um,
(09:40):
And sometimes they and these things will notice, they will
notice that, oh, you know, who's watching and a shadow
people see this, they will generally charge the person, and
h hat Man will do the same. He doesn't always
stick around as much as the shadow beings will. But
conjuring them up, I mean some people are directly doing
it on purpose. Um. Sometimes if if a violent act
(10:05):
took place in one area, suicide, homicide, whatever, um, it's
like a portal of negative gunk gets opened up and
it could center in on a location or a person.
You know, a person that I don't. I don't always
see a clear connection as to why something has happened
(10:27):
to a person. But you know, people that have been abused, mentally,
effectually whatever, harassed, and they feed into this negative feeling
and it seems to really attract these rotten things to
come at them, and it's just to pull them down
another notch. Death in the family or death around a person. Uh.
(10:50):
It seems that when somebody's died in a location of
any any means I don't I don't always get why
these things are connected to that person that died, but
it happens, and they may linger and the next person
sees them. You are seeing a newer pattern to the
hat man sightings. What is that? Yeah, George, this is
(11:13):
really disturbing. Oh, you know, I think the last time
I came on your show, I was talking about um,
you know, I'd ask these people, you know, what is
it that you're you're feeling? And what do you feel?
Why is that? What's the hat man saying to you
when he's there, And it's just like I think he's
trying to recruit me, And it's like recruit to you know,
(11:34):
like like to do his bidding, and they admit yes,
And oh my gosh, George, I've been getting reports now
that the hat Man was a Spanish guy, a black guy,
a different guy with red hair. I'm like, what, but
(11:54):
wearing the suit and the hat, he's changing. He's recruiting,
and he's convinced some to join them. That's what it
sounds like as when you say convinced some to join
some being what humans? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, and um or what? Well,
(12:18):
you know if people were telling me, you know, he's
telling me, hey, come come show me it comes, come
show me you're dedicated to my cause. And what I'm doing,
this is how you reap souls like this, this is
what he's telling these people. Now I didn't get to
follow up with these folks because it's it's odd. I
don't I don't know. I guess people just don't like
(12:40):
talking about this freaking demon. But um, but then I
started getting reports from people saying hat Man's bugging me,
and like, well, okay, tell me what he looks like.
It's just like, well, he's this multi racial guy's got freckles. What.
And then it's then it's another you know, hey, I
hat Man at my door and he's I'm experiencing it
(13:01):
like this, and I'm like, well, what does he look like?
I always ask what he comes to people's doors? Oh
oh gosh, yes, knocked on the door. Now, it sounds
like that you're more concerned about hat people than shadow people.
Is that correct? I am? Okay, I really am. Yes,
I really am. Because to the level that he goes
(13:24):
to and what he's doing. I mean, if these people
are taking the place of his bad dealings, my god,
he's winning these souls over. He's convinced them to do
what he does. And as odd as that sounds, it's
(13:45):
I mean so clear to these people that are experiencing
like no, I know, it was an African American guy
with curly hair who came to me and and it's
they're describing the hat Man, but it's got a different
he said, different height. It's not him every time anymore.
I don't think Hatman has to run around as much
(14:08):
as he has because he's got recruits doing it for him. Now,
is it the same? Is the Hatman just one entity
that can materialize at a number of different places at
the same time. I have leaned more towards that being
the case. It's just like, well, how can God be everywhere?
(14:30):
I'm like, well, can you know evil be everywhere? Can
it all be connected? Apparently? So? Yeah, I mean but
he will change his outfit a little bit, but his
presence is always so telling, and yeah, it's And I've
had people that have experienced different versions of him and
(14:51):
they're like, it's him. It's yeah, I saw his hat
with changer. His hat was gone, but it was him,
I could tell. Have you ever known him to physically
take somebody grabbed them? Yeah, yeah, I've had I've had
many people tell me how he has physically grabbed and
taking them out a window. Um. One gentleman who had
(15:15):
an outright fifth fight with him in the yard getting
smashed up against the garbage cans, with the neighbors watching.
He's trying to lift him off the ground. Now, didn't
if the neighbors are watching, what did they see just
this guy by himself being tossed around, or do they
see the hat person too? They saw they saw the
(15:35):
hat man as well. Yeah, because that that was something
that I'd asked the gentleman and he was just like,
I was fighting for my life, he said, he was
trying to take me away. It's like, I mean, here's
this big guy in his hat and flying and lifting
me off the ground. I'm grabbing that stuff. So he's
not getting getting a hold of him in that sense.
(15:57):
I mean just just really just disturbing. How can they
manifest to become physical and also not physical? Well, you know,
how does water do it? You know, It's like we've
got elements here that can do that type of thing,
become very very solid and very liquid and very gaseous.
(16:18):
It's like, well, maybe they're somehow related to an elemental
of some sort. I mean, that's interesting. The closest thing
that I could kind of compare it to, to be honest,
because I don't understand how it's possible. But I don't know.
I mean, I think of like our souls being able
to slip into these bodies of ours to get around in,
(16:40):
But then we don't need these bodies to get around
in all the time. So is he able to somehow
change the arrangement of his ions to be able to
hold them solid one minute versus the next. It makes
me wonder. Listen to more Coast to Coast am every
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(17:01):
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Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio. Okay,
welcome back. Heidi hollis with us. Heidi, of course, is
that truth seeker of the unknown, an expert on the
Shadow people the Hatman phenomena. She actually gave them both
their descriptive names in her books The Secret War, a
True Story about a real Alien War, and Shadow People
(00:21):
in The Hat Band, The True Story of Evil Encounters.
Heidi is a radio talk show host The Outlander, a
cartoonist occupational therapist as well. Her paranormal comic strip is
called The Outlanders, very popular as well. Heidi, welcome back.
Oh hey, they're George, just making my parents proud. Mary.
(00:41):
You know what you do, such a wonderful job every
time you're on the program. Every time. Thanks George, I
appreciate it. Optimistic. How did the shadow people and the
hat People come your way? What happened? Oh gosh, man,
I was just very unlucky. I first spotted the shadow
(01:03):
people following a friend of mine, a shadow being shoulders shadow. Yeah,
that was the first experience, and I thought, honestly that
you know, you know, I know, I was the same
things I knew I'd seen something, and I saw this
thing following us on a bright sunny day and we
reached our destination and this thing followed us all the
(01:25):
way back, and by the time I got back to
my friend's home, I was just beside myself. I'm like,
you know, I grabbed a piece of paper and I
drew this hulking, shadowy thing with a head directly connected
to its shoulders, just black. And you know, I'm thinking
my friend's gonna laugh and think, you know what if
he if he go what's going on with this girl?
(01:46):
And she takes a look at it, and she's just like, oh,
bad thing. I don't know. That thing's been following me
since I was a kid, And I was just like, what,
you know, And I had to go grab something and
from my room I was staying at my friend's house.
How to grab something from the attic second floor room,
only to be met with this thing blocking my way
(02:08):
out of the room. So, I mean, just it's such
a weird thing to express the people that you feel
that something is wanting to kill you, to rip your
life from you. And I just closed my eyes, saying
a prayer and walked right through it and made it
(02:29):
out of that room, and that began my introduction to
shadow people. Would you say that most of the shadow
people that people witness are evil or dangerous? I would
say one hundred percent. I mean I get some people
that are just like, oh, I think especially hat Man
(02:50):
he's my guardian. I like, I've gotten a handful of
those reports and I'm starting to see a little bit
more of that. But I'm like, what makes you think that? Well,
because he doesn't gare me and he just watches over me,
and I'm like, you know, but eventually it comes to
if I get if I get the person far enough along,
or they write me back, they're like, you know, I
(03:11):
thought he was a guardian, and then it became this.
He became threatening, He became intimidating and talking and yeah,
so I mean it's as if he's gauging how close
he could get to a person and what he can
do once he does get close. So it's, uh, yeah,
it's I don't I wouldn't trust I wouldn't trust the
(03:32):
hat Man. Anything black and shadowy with red eyes. I
don't know, George, that doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.
How about you? Now, what is the difference between hat
Man and shadow Man. You know, I had I come
on your show several times, thank you George, and oh good, Yeah,
(03:53):
I'd come on and I described hat Man as being
the hat Man shadow and you know, I had not
seen him. My college roommate seen him, and we had
seen so many different forms of shadow people that we
just we just assumed that this was another form that
shadow people could take. Though he did come through very,
(04:14):
very solid, So it was I just didn't know how
to categorize him. And then my email started changing from
this man wears a suit, he sits on my bed,
he talks. Sometimes he's clean shaven, sometimes he's got a goatee,
you know, and his hat is changing, and sometimes sometimes
(04:35):
it doesn't wear a hat. So I was like, you know,
hold on, you know, and this guy started introducing himself
to some people, admitting and saying he was the devil himself.
And you know, shadow people they're kind of whispy and
they could take on different forms, and they're blacker than
the night. You know, hat Man he could he could
walk through a wall. He could kind of stand in
(04:57):
the shadows and look shadowy, but he'll come solid and
that looks very physical. Then don't they very physical and
directing the other shadow entities in the room. If there
are others, are they out to get your soul? Heidi? Honestly,
I really do believe so. Um you know, gosh, when
(05:19):
it comes to the hat Man's he makes me so mad.
I don't I don't even it's like it's weird to
take it personal, but I gets so angry with these
emails that I'm getting in the stories that I hear
people saying he reached into my chest and he pulled
my soul out and kicking and screaming and begging, and
(05:41):
he's dragging me through the wall into the yard. You know.
Sometimes he's flying them somewhere, and I mean it's yeah,
he's after they're souls. And it's getting worse. George just
getting to the point that I don't want to say
that we're ever to lose this battle, you know, but
(06:02):
I think people need to wake up to the threat
that it's not just a possibility, it's a threat. He
is looking, he is coming. It's a crazy thing to say,
But where did the boogeyman talk ever come? I think
it came from this guy what summons them up? The
headman and the shadow people what creates them or makes
(06:25):
them pop up? You know, I'm thinking, honestly, there's a
definite connection to aliens. If somebody's been abducted, have a
lot of alien contact, it seems that shadow beings are
not far behind. Um hat man as well. Um, you
know some people, I always say, you know thyself, you know,
(06:48):
if you like to pet a dog or kick a dog.
You know, Um, it's a it's a good way to decide, Oh,
what side of sense do I sit on? Well, let's
say here, Um, you know if even know you're bit
rotten on the inside. Yeah, yeah, these things might make
a space in their lives for you. But also I'm
finding more often than not, though, George, this is just
(07:11):
this is even more disturbing that the people that are
getting targeted are gifted in some manner that their light
may just be brighter than the next person, and they
want to stomp off that light. They want to control
their future. So people gifted, when I when I say that,
it's like they may be very empathic. They might have
(07:32):
the gift to be able to see things or no things.
And my goodness, if a person in a crowd can
spot these rotten good for nothings coming you sure, you know,
if you're a rotten good for nothing you start, wouldn't
want that person in the crowd to you know, be
fully supported and appearing as saying, you know, so these
(07:53):
things try to lean in and crowd their life and
isolate them, oppress them, and you know, get them depressed
and suicidal and homicidal and anything that you can imagine
that's negative. Any idea where they come from, Heidi, I
always thought that, for example, shadow people may have come
from another dimension and they kind of leak their way
(08:15):
into hours. Yeah. Well, you know, when you think about
alien beings coming in from another dimension and these things
being associated with them, you know, I think that, you know,
I don't know if i'd really care to find out
where the heck they came from, because I wouldn't want
(08:36):
to visit, but I would say that, you know, I
don't think they're from here. I think they're from an
other whether it's another planet, another dimension. And from what
I learned from the contact that I had with some
alien beings who said this was not their first planet,
(08:57):
that they have done this across the universe. Uh, they've
People wonder what's the common thread when it comes to
various alien beings. And I was told that it's it's
the shadow beings that they are conquered beings, that they
are enslaved too, these shadow beings, and my goodness, if
(09:19):
hat Man has anything to do with it, I mean,
he's just going to keep building this enslaved army. What
conjures them up? Though? I mean why do they appear?
Do they sense something about the person? You know? I
find a lot of people are accidentally spotting them, um,
(09:40):
And sometimes they and these things will notice, they will
notice that, oh, you know, who's watching and a shadow
people see this, they will generally charge the person, and
h hat Man will do the same. He doesn't always
stick around as much as the shadow beings will. But
conjuring them up, I mean some people are directly doing
it on purpose. Um. Sometimes if if a violent act
(10:05):
took place in one area, suicide, homicide, whatever, um, it's
like a portal of negative gunk gets opened up and
it could center in on a location or a person.
You know, a person that I don't. I don't always
see a clear connection as to why something has happened
(10:27):
to a person. But you know, people that have been abused, mentally,
effectually whatever, harassed, and they feed into this negative feeling
and it seems to really attract these rotten things to
come at them, and it's just to pull them down
another notch. Death in the family or death around a person. Uh.
(10:50):
It seems that when somebody's died in a location of
any any means I don't I don't always get why
these things are connected to that person that died, but
it happens, and they may linger and the next person
sees them. You are seeing a newer pattern to the
hat man sightings. What is that? Yeah, George, this is
(11:13):
really disturbing. Oh, you know, I think the last time
I came on your show, I was talking about um,
you know, I'd ask these people, you know, what is
it that you're you're feeling? And what do you feel?
Why is that? What's the hat man saying to you
when he's there, And it's just like I think he's
trying to recruit me, And it's like recruit to you know,
(11:34):
like like to do his bidding, and they admit yes,
And oh my gosh, George, I've been getting reports now
that the hat Man was a Spanish guy, a black guy,
a different guy with red hair. I'm like, what, but
(11:54):
wearing the suit and the hat, he's changing. He's recruiting,
and he's convinced some to join them. That's what it
sounds like as when you say convinced some to join
some being what humans? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, and um or what? Well,
(12:18):
you know if people were telling me, you know, he's
telling me, hey, come come show me it comes, come
show me you're dedicated to my cause. And what I'm doing,
this is how you reap souls like this, this is
what he's telling these people. Now I didn't get to
follow up with these folks because it's it's odd. I
don't I don't know. I guess people just don't like
(12:40):
talking about this freaking demon. But um, but then I
started getting reports from people saying hat Man's bugging me,
and like, well, okay, tell me what he looks like.
It's just like, well, he's this multi racial guy's got freckles. What.
And then it's then it's another you know, hey, I
hat Man at my door and he's I'm experiencing it
(13:01):
like this, and I'm like, well, what does he look like?
I always ask what he comes to people's doors? Oh
oh gosh, yes, knocked on the door. Now, it sounds
like that you're more concerned about hat people than shadow people.
Is that correct? I am? Okay, I really am. Yes,
I really am. Because to the level that he goes
(13:24):
to and what he's doing. I mean, if these people
are taking the place of his bad dealings, my god,
he's winning these souls over. He's convinced them to do
what he does. And as odd as that sounds, it's
(13:45):
I mean so clear to these people that are experiencing
like no, I know, it was an African American guy
with curly hair who came to me and and it's
they're describing the hat Man, but it's got a different
he said, different height. It's not him every time anymore.
I don't think Hatman has to run around as much
(14:08):
as he has because he's got recruits doing it for him. Now,
is it the same? Is the Hatman just one entity
that can materialize at a number of different places at
the same time. I have leaned more towards that being
the case. It's just like, well, how can God be everywhere?
(14:30):
I'm like, well, can you know evil be everywhere? Can
it all be connected? Apparently? So? Yeah, I mean but
he will change his outfit a little bit, but his
presence is always so telling, and yeah, it's And I've
had people that have experienced different versions of him and
(14:51):
they're like, it's him. It's yeah, I saw his hat
with changer. His hat was gone, but it was him,
I could tell. Have you ever known him to physically
take somebody grabbed them? Yeah, yeah, I've had I've had
many people tell me how he has physically grabbed and
taking them out a window. Um. One gentleman who had
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an outright fifth fight with him in the yard getting
smashed up against the garbage cans, with the neighbors watching.
He's trying to lift him off the ground. Now, didn't
if the neighbors are watching, what did they see just
this guy by himself being tossed around, or do they
see the hat person too? They saw they saw the
(15:35):
hat man as well. Yeah, because that that was something
that I'd asked the gentleman and he was just like,
I was fighting for my life, he said, he was
trying to take me away. It's like, I mean, here's
this big guy in his hat and flying and lifting
me off the ground. I'm grabbing that stuff. So he's
not getting getting a hold of him in that sense.
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I mean just just really just disturbing. How can they
manifest to become physical and also not physical? Well, you know,
how does water do it? You know, It's like we've
got elements here that can do that type of thing,
become very very solid and very liquid and very gaseous.
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It's like, well, maybe they're somehow related to an elemental
of some sort. I mean, that's interesting. The closest thing
that I could kind of compare it to, to be honest,
because I don't understand how it's possible. But I don't know.
I mean, I think of like our souls being able
to slip into these bodies of ours to get around in,
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But then we don't need these bodies to get around
in all the time. So is he able to somehow
change the arrangement of his ions to be able to
hold them solid one minute versus the next. It makes
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