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May 26, 2025 17 mins

Guest host George Knapp and Skinwalker Ranch owner Brandon Fugal discuss life at one of the world's most paranormally active places.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on
iHeartRadio Brandon.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
In some ways, Skinwalker Ranch exists as sort of an
island unto itself in the UFO world. I want to
get your take on the larger UFO community that exists
beyond separate from the Ranch. I've seen your immense reservoir
of patients dealing with and responding to harsh critics and
debunkers on social media, and I sometimes wonder how does
he do that? Because I couldn't stand it.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I was one.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
So it helps that I actually understand exactly where people
are coming from because it you know, for a period
of time, I was a very hardened skeptic. So I
understand the uh, the concerns, and I have I have
a lot of empathy for people who who express those concerns.

(00:52):
I also observe a lot of and you've seen it too.
There's there are a lot of con artists, there's a
lot of bs up there, and people that prey on
goal ability of others. I mean the countless YouTube channels
devoted to just garbage, fraudulent UFO and supernatural type topics,

(01:14):
and that it unfortunately muddies the water and ends up
degrading things, diluting the effort. And right now that I
mean those those type of efforts that are just outright
fraud just pissed me off because it undermines the truly
legitimate research and scientific investigation that we're doing. One thing

(01:39):
that is concerning about some aspects of the greater enthusiasts
or the UFO community out there, is that they seem
to eat their their own I've seen a pattern over
the last few years, especially since I came out and
went public. They I think some of the the most

(02:03):
counterproductive efforts are within the community itself. I mean, who
needs who needs enemies when you've got when you've got
people like this, I mean, it's unfortunate. Instead of supporting
each other in many respects, I think the community has

(02:25):
a has a tendency to eat its own young before
they even get out of the gates. And that's because
there's been a lot of unfortunate abuse out there. It
doesn't negate the fact that these topics are real, that
it's happening. It's happening right above us in our skies

(02:47):
and in our backyards and even in our homes. But
it's it's it's uh, it's quite a journey, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Some of it, I think is just people are angry
at themselves, at the world in general, at UFOs or
anything that they don't like. They just need to lash
out at someone. And then there's a few of those
folks that I suspect are working for someone. You must
have had your own suspicions. I mean, we'll talk a
little bit more about military and intelligence community interests in
the ranch, but you know who we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Here and there, Yeah, disinformation. Yeah, there are a lot
of unfortunately, disinformation agents, people who are are actively working
for probably very organized efforts within the government or within
the military industrial complex that are purposely trying to discredit

(03:41):
these topics and people involved with these topics in order
to wage war with this disinformation campaign. I think continuing
to lull the masses into this false narrative that there's
nothing to be seen here, folks, just move along is

(04:05):
unfortunate as well. I think people are ready for the truth.
People are ready to know the reality of what is
happening in our skies, what is happening in our reality
in our lives that defies the traditional conventional narrative.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, how would you characterize military or government interest in
the property? I was at an event in Oregon last
week and was asked this question, Well, isn't all this
just done by the military to confuse people? And I'm thinking, Wow,
that's some pretty cool technology if our military really does
have it. But it's been going on an awfully long
time for any individual program. And I know that the
Defense Intelligence Agency did have a Skinwalker ranch as part

(04:49):
of a larger project, and that there have been overflights
during your time on the property. There are people watching it.
How would you characterize official government interest in it? Not
just US government, but maybe other governments too.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, there's no question we continue to experience covert military
surveillance in the midst of our investigation and over the property.
I mean, we've We've seen the National Science Foundation's golf
Stream five jet conducting very very unusual survey work at
forty five thousand feet above the property. We've seen Blackhawk helicopters,

(05:29):
unmarked Blackhawk helicopters not transponding, descend over the ranch late
at night during a a no fly advisory, where when
we are conducting experiments and really kind of posing a
very menacing presence. We've seen countless army chinnook helicopters, special

(05:54):
ops helicopters, and other craft that are military. I mean,
we're talkings of millions of dollars worth of military assets
that are being deployed and surveilling the property while we
are while we are documenting the phenomena and conducting this research.
And it's only underscoring how important our work must be

(06:19):
to be capturing that kind of attention. It's disturbing to
the team. To be honest with you, some of this
activity is threatening. It's really intimidating. Sometimes it's just curious
that it seems to show up right in the middle
of some of our most important research and work.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
In a sense, it's almost confirmation, backhanded confirmation you're onto
something because they're watching you. They're interested enough to know
something is real there, or they wouldn't be wasting their time.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah. Well, when you have the state attorney general, the
Utah State Attorney General, poking around to try to get
answers as to who who who is really deploying these assets,
and he's essentially told to back off and quit asking questions,
you know you're you know you're onto something.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I don't know if you can answer this or want
to answer this, but have you ever had have you
had proposals for partners? Hey, you know, we have a
lot of equipment on our disposal. We're so and so
in DC or Langley. We could really help you out
if you'll let us in.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well. To be honest, George, I have no interest, no
interest in partnering with the government. I don't want any
money from any government enterprise or any enterprise that would
potentially undermine or compromise the integrity of this effort. I
believe keeping it as an independent, private sector research program

(07:52):
is the highest It presents the highest likelihood of presenting
disclosure to the public, and is you've heard me stayed
over the course of the last few years. I really
look at my ownership as a stewardship. I believe I
have a responsibility to present our findings. I think we're

(08:14):
all in this together. And as much as I want
the answers more than anyone, and I'm putting my money,
my reputation on the line in service to that, I
believe the stewardship calls for a collaboration with the public
and disclosure.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
So I think people.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Can count on that, and I have no interest in
allowing that to be compromised in any way.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
So much what you and your team do out there
is an attempt to document it in a physical way.
I mean, in essence, you are poking the bear. You'll
follow fire off a rocket to see what happens. You
fly into a zone and see if you can measure something.
You drill into the mesa and look and see what happen.
Weapons and our physical measurable results, right correct, Well, I.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Don't think it's a coincidence that at times when we're
conducting digging activity there on the ranch and disturbing the earth,
that we've had individuals. I mean, we had our caretaker
end up end up having a cardiac event and was
taken by Dragon, our head of security, to the hospital

(09:29):
a couple of years ago, and we saw, you know,
the the one point six gigor hurt signal show up
simultaneous with some of that digging activity. I don't think
it's a coincidence that we see UFO or UAP activity
correlate or correspond with electromagnetic anomalies, with acute medical episodes

(09:58):
and other events. I think it is all interrelated and
it it calls for a high degree of caution and care.
There's a reason why we've we've we have uped the
security and also require our people to carry equipment with

(10:25):
them meters in order to monitor what is happening. And
we've had so many incidents where we've had to evacuate
the property even this. You know, over the course the
last year, we've had to evacuate the property in the
midst of activity and research because of some of these
elevated readings, and we're trying to be as vigilant as

(10:50):
possible to avoid anyone coming to harm.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know, people haven't been there, haven't experienced it for themselves.
They can watch it on TV ands out, that can't
be real. It must be some kind of trick. They're
pulling something for the sake of a TV show. But
when you see it up close and experience it and
talk to other people and experienced it, it's a different matter.
It's real. It's been going on a long time, and
I appreciate the fact that you guys don't have a

(11:15):
preconceived idea what it is. You're just trying to gather
as much information and trying to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, well, there's a reason why we bring third party, independent,
credentialed experts to be involved with every aspect of our
investigation and these experiments. We don't take our word for it.
I mean you can take the word of countless experts
that really have nothing to gain, frankly, by coming out

(11:44):
to the ranch and putting their reputations and their equipment
on the line, in many cases that equipment being destroyed
in the process of conducting the research. People people take
great risk to come out and engage with our team,
and it's all in service to getting the answers.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
George, you're just back from the ranch. You got a briefing.
Can you give us a hint without giving away too
much about your upcoming season, what we're about to see
or what we're about to learn.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, well you're going to see You're going to see
us peel back the curtain that much more. In the
weeks they had in June third marks the beginning of
our season six effort. You know, I think it's sixteen
episodes coming that document our work over the course of

(12:38):
the last year, and I think you're going to be
quite shocked at some of the revelations that come forward.
And it's from from a wide range of experiments, wide
range of experiences and strange activity on this ranch. I

(13:00):
think you're going to find it validating. George, you were
you were a trailblazer. I mean, going back to what
two thousand and five, you wrote the book Hunt for
the Skinwalker, given permission by my predecessor, Robert Bigelow, to
go public with the reality of the scientific research on

(13:20):
this very unusual five hundred and twelve acre piece of
property in the heart of the you into basin, and
I think you can. You can expect to see some
of your your reporting and work to some degree validated,
I believe, in the months ahead. And it's it's shocking.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
All right.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, I'm licking my chops here. I'm rubbing my hands together.
I can't wait which one of those crazy stories turns
out to be have some support to it. I wonder
if you thought far enough ahead on whether you want
to answer this. Let's say, you know, a lot of
your attention is focused on the MESA, as it should be,
because it seems like something's coming out dominating them there,
and you've you've drilled in, You've got some samples of

(14:03):
something that seems unusual. Let's say it turns out there
is a manufactured object, a large manufactured object in there.
Do you dig in, dig up the mesa and pull
it out.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well, that's what we've been that's what we've been doing
to a degree. But we've we've had to exercise great caution.
I think people sometimes forget that that you don't want
to damage or destroy the very thing that you wish
to study. If there is some technology, if there's some mechanism,

(14:40):
whether it be a you know, an object of unknown
origin that is that is not natural, that is embedded
in that mesa, or let's say it's who knows, a stargate,
you know, some type of some type of material that
is involved with the GPS malfunctions, the time, you know,

(15:04):
the space time anomalies on the property, and so many
of the events. We don't want to damage that, and
so we are having to shift into this being more
of an archaeological expedition, more of an almost like a
medical biopsy, if you will, as opposed to just blowing

(15:25):
up the mason being too aggressive. One thing that is sobering, though, George,
is the fact that the countless mining and drilling experts
that we brought on the property, that thought that it
was going to be an easy effort, a very straightforward effort,
have left with their equipment completely destroyed, having just constant

(15:51):
issues and being thwarted at every turn. I mean, these
are experts that have drilled through granite, that have been
working in some of the most difficult environments in the country,
if not the planet, and they come out to Skinwalker
Ranch and they face so much hardship. And it's not

(16:15):
for it's not for TV. It's not something that is
being hyped, that is being dramatized or sensationalized. These people
their careers depend on getting results, and they end up
looking a bit awkward as a result of the challenges

(16:36):
that we see specifically with the MESA.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, you know, I wish them no ill, but I
have to chuckle sometimes when I see that kind of
stuff happen, because they go in thinking I'll get this
done here real quick, and then the look comes over
their face and realize they're up against something that they
had not been able to figure out.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Well, maybe maybe the Native Americans were onto something when
they called it skin Walker Rich when they said that
this was in the path of you know, this the
Skinwalker that there was something unusual and challenging about this landmark,
this terrain.

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