September 10, 2025 • 18 mins
George Noory and author Sasha Graham discuss tarot cards, how they work and why different tarot card readers can give you different interpretations and predictions, plus why pulling the death card isn't the scary warning sign most people expect.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Sasha Graham with us, author Tarot Expert, award winning tarot
deck creator who teaches and lectures around the world. Her
world has been translated into more than twelve languages, and
she's the author of thirteen books and tarot decks. Her
latest work is called The Magic of Tarot. Sasha, welcome back.
(00:27):
You're on with our Lisa gar Almost four years.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Ago I was and it's so nice to be back
with you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How are you.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I'm good, George, How.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Are you great? Why does it seem that's my impression
that everybody seems to be talking about tarot cards these days?
It's white sad.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Taro has really come into vogue, and I think that
we can pretty much blame the pandemic for that. What happened, well,
you know, people were sequestered in their homes, and I
think a lot of peace people that normally had nine
to five jobs had an opportunity and free time on
their hands to explore alternative spiritualities that they had always
(01:09):
been interested in and perhaps didn't have time, and suddenly
the pandemic gave them the opportunity add in social media
and things like TikTok, and suddenly witchcraft tarot all became
sort of mainstream.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
How many cards in the tarot deck? Sasha?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
There's seventy eight cards in a traditional tarot deck.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And how old is taro?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So we don't know when or where tarot originated. The
oldest tarot deck that we have on hand comes from
fourteenth century Italy. Back in the day, those were commissioned
by wealthy Italian and European families. The same way you
might commission a painting, you could commission a tarot deck
(01:56):
and have yourself painted into the cards. But nobody knows
where it originated. That is lost to the mystery of time.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
What was the original intention of tarot cards.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Sasha, Well, again, this is something that's up for question
because it depends on who's writing the history books.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So the original use.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
We know that taro was used in northern Europe for
card playing, so the fancy cards would be used by
the royal families, but also there was flimsy printed cards
that were used as tavern games just by the general public.
So taro was definitely used for card playing. And we
(02:39):
can only assume because people have always used divination with
all sorts of things, from reading the clouds to casting
bones to astrology that, of course, because taro is a
visual object, people were probably using them for divination from
the beginning of time.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Was there any evil attached to it?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, of course there's always evil attached to something taro
if you're using it for divination, right, which is essentially
looking into your own future, sort of gathering.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Your own power.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Any institution, such as organized religion, that wants to claim
that they are the mouthpiece for a higher power might
say that something like taro is evil, and then you know, George,
it also depends on who's wielding the cards, do you know.
(03:37):
It's sort of like a sword, which is one of
the suits of tarot. A sword could be used for protection,
for decoration, for collection, or it could be used for
diabolical murder. So it depends on who's wielding the cards.
I would say.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's very important, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And it's important when you yourself are looking to have
a tarot read, and not just a tarot reading, a
psychic reading, any sort of intuitive reading. It's really important
to know who you're sitting down with because the power
of suggestion is strong, So you're gonna want to interview
or really get to know or get good references about
(04:17):
anyone you get a psychic or tarot reading from.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Do you know the tarot reader Art Russian Garden? Yes?
I do, good guy. So he's on our show quite
a bit.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Oh he's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yuh not me tarot years ago, not that I read it,
but uh, it's fast.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Did you take tarot classes, George?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I did not. I did not. I should usually, you.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Know, I think I think anybody everybody, I think everybody
should if if if, I mean I think that Tarot
is honestly best used as a personal practice because you
can use the cards for self inquiry, but you know,
you can also use them to enhance your psychic ability,
intuitive ability, creative ability, so you know they're good for
(05:06):
so many, so many things.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Do you have a favorite card.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I don't have a favorite card. I was going to
mention the death card, not as a favorite, but one
that I don't want to pull.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Well, the death card is actually pretty fantastic, and I'm
a Scorpio, so of course I'm going to say that,
and we're moving into the season of death with Halloween
kind of right around the corner.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, if you take.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
The taro literally, which it should not be taken literally. Yeah,
the death card is something that you don't.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Want to see.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
But it's important to remember. The death card is number thirteen,
comes smack dab in the middle of the major arcana.
So death is not the ending that most people would
think that it is. It's actually a card of transformation
and almost in a sense, it's the oltist's resurrection or
(06:02):
they rise to greet up what comes in the following card.
So death is a real fantastic turning point, sort of
the lynch pin of what makes life possible. So it's
actually an exciting card to get in a reading.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
You could also mean the end of an era, right.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, it means getting rid of really what no
longer suits you anymore?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Is it take a long time to teach somebody how
to read Tarot cards?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
It depends on the person or the student that you have.
In other words, something that unfortunately is predominant with tarot
students in beginning tarot students is that a Tarot deck
can be quite overwhelming, and of course it's loaded in
esoteric history. So students or the general public will often
(06:58):
come to a tarot class and be terrified of getting
their interpretation of the cards wrong, and fear is the
quickest thing that to shut anything down. So if you
have a student, or if you bring yourself to the
taro with a curiosity and a willingness to just go ahead,
(07:19):
look at the image that you're that's in front of
you in the card, and tell the story that you see,
allow the messages to come through through taro symbolism. It's
really easy to read tarot cards. So yeah, so as
long as you're not afraid of getting it wrong, they're wonderfully,
(07:39):
fantastically easy to read.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, Sasha, if you had ten tarro readers, would you
come up with ten different things if they were spotting
the same card.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
That's a great question. Yes and no. Uh So.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
The interesting thing about tarot readers, and again this harkens
back to my earlier point about knowing who you're sitting
down with, you're going to get more of that reader's
personality than anything else. If ten different readers are reading,
say the deaf card comes up for you, it will
(08:17):
be grounded in the same that they will be talking about. Yes,
something's ending, there's a transformation, but the way they deliver
the message is going to be different, but the core
narrative of the reading will probably be the same.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
What will a tarot card or cards tell you?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Hm, Well, that Taro tells you. The information of what
Taro brings forth is entirely based on the question that
you ask, so they can tell you anything you want
to know. And the important thing I always say is
(08:56):
to ask really good questions. Of course, that's why a
tarot practice, pulling a card a day is a really
phenomenal practice where you can kind of clear your mind
and say, oh, like what do I want to pay
attention to today to have like the best day ever?
It's a great question to ask, you know. Great Tarot
(09:18):
questions are grounded in personal power, not asking oh when
am I going to fall in love? But what should
I pay attention to to come into alignment with like
my highest romantic potential. Questions that kind of put the
power in your hands, will give you really really positive
(09:41):
answers that you can take action on, and then you
really take destiny into your own hands.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Do you pull the card then ask the question, or
do you ask the question then pull the card?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
You can you can do either.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Traditionally the question is asked before the cards are laid
out on the table. And again if you're using tarot
for yourself, it's a really kind of meditative and wonderful
thing to ask the question and allow the shuffling, Think
about the question, think about your outcome, allow the shuffling
(10:20):
of the cards to kind of put you into that
intuitive state so that you can receive the best possible answer.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
When we take readings next hour. You want a question
from an individual nothing to do with medical, right, No,
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
A doctor, so I would never give medical advice based
on the tarot.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
How many cards will you pull per person?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I'll do one card readings now?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Is that the norm when you do a reading.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well, it depends.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
If you're sitting down with someone for a good thirty
minutes or an hour, you would definitely pull and most
readers would would pull probably a sizable amount of cards.
It's really fun to do keen card Celtic cross readings
because it's really kind of like it's kind of like
looking at a scam of the person who's sitting in
(11:14):
front of you. But for time's sake and so that
we can read for as many people as possible, I'll
just do a one card reading.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Is it more accurate when the individual pulls their own card?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Not necessarily? I you know the and the accuracy.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You know it can be as is accurate if the
reader's pulling the card or if the person is pulling
the card, and like you asked earlier, oftentimes you can
and this is where magic comes into play.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
With taro.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You can actually pull out the cards that you want
to be working with or that you want to invoke
into your life. So, for instance, if you're looking for
love of you might want to pull out the lover's
card from a tarot deck and keep that in sight
all day long, to keep reminding your subconscious to manifest that. Right.
(12:12):
So yeah, it's either anybody can pull the card and
get an interesting, accurate reading, but they can also be
used in reverse. You can pull specific cards to enhance
that card's energy in your life.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Did you ever pull a card Sasha for somebody and
you didn't want to tell them what it meant?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Really coorse of course and ought to be honest with you,
George straight up and this is speaking to someone I was.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You know, I worked as a professional tarot card reader
in New York City for about a decade and I
read for everyone from you know, celebrities on down. Usually
it's not the card that's scary usually or that gives
you pause, but oftentimes it's the person sitting down across
(13:10):
from you.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
It's an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
After a while you get to know you kind of
know what the cards are probably going to say, just
by the energy that that person is giving off.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
How long are your Tarot card classes?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, I do everything from one hour zooms for the
organization such as the Theosophical Society.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Too entire week long retreats.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So twice a year I do a Tarot and yoga
retreat at Cropollo Center for Yoga and Health, which is
in Lenox, Massachusetts. In the winter, I do a three
day yoga and Tarot retreat, and then in the summer,
usually in July, we do a seven day yoga and
Tarot retreat. Yeah, so you pretty much can get me
(14:01):
for an hour, you can get me for a week long,
and whatever you prefer. I'll be doing a Halloween weekend
retreat at Tibet House's US retreat center up in the Catskills,
Not that you.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Would, but can tarot be used for nefarious purposes?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Too?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Of course it can be Well, anything can be right,
you could use your car to get you to work,
or you could use it to run someone over. But yeah,
tarot can be used for terrible things.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
How would one do that? Not that I wouldn't learn that,
but how would one do that?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
But this is a great question, George, because it comes
down to the ethics that a terror reader has, which
is an important thing to consider, even if you're just
reading cards for yourself, and what that means. Terrible nefarious
reasons could be something as simple as as trying to
figure out what's going on inside of somebody else's head
(15:03):
first of all, So when we're talking about taro ethics,
it's important to think about, you know, how you would feel.
Would you want someone pulling cards like George? Got what's
George thinking about me right now?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Like?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Would you want somebody being intrusive like that?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
That breaks a boundary.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
So you can rephrase the questions of your cards saying,
not what is George thinking of me right now? But
perhaps what's the best way for me to approach George,
so that X Y Z. But if you want to
move to even darker things, like think about any horrible
question you could ask, you know, how could I murder
(15:45):
this person? How can I stop what they're doing? How
can I wield control?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
And we all know.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
That Tarot can also be you because tarrow is can
often feel like a hidden practice. They're gurus and teachers
who uh you know, use knowledge of Taro to become
experts and kind of like rule over sycophan students. They're
all kinds of dark things that you could do with
(16:17):
the cards.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Can Tarot cards predict things?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
I mean I think that they.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I think that's primarily what they're known for and what
like the average person might think that they're used for prediction,
and of course they can be. But when you're but
again it goes back to who is using the cards.
So if you're someone who has natural psychic ability, who
already can predict things that will happen in the future
(16:50):
and have and and have that experience, then Taro can
build upon that muscle. But it's again it is it's
a person by person thing, and I think that prediction
is not necessarily a helpful thing when using Taro. So,
for instance, if someone you know said, okay, Taro, will
(17:13):
I ever like get pregnant and have a child, and
that tarot says no, what would that person go dool?
Speaker 4 (17:21):
They stop trying? You know, am I ever going to
fall in love?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Or what?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Am I going to fall in love?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And Taro says, the card says that it's never going
to happen? Would you stop looking for love? So? I
don't think that predictions are necessarily helpful. I think it's
much better to use them to read the energy of
any particular situation, so then you know how to maneuver.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Give yourself some legal room.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Sasha, what got you involved in tarot cards in the
first place.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
George, I'm a Halloween baby. So I always thought that
I was a witch or a ghoul from a very
young age.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I you were born on Halloween.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, October thirty, first h.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Her treat Hacker treat baby. So I just I just
felt magical. And you know, I got my first tarot
deck when I was twelve years old to read cards
at a fundraiser at my elementary school.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, so I just swarm around you.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
No, because I opened the deck, I didn't know what
I was looking at and then my stepsister's born again
Christian friend walked into the kitchen saw my tarot cards
and she freaked out, told me they were the devil's work,
and she promptly burned them.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Sasha Graham with us, author Tarot Expert, award winning tarot
deck creator who teaches and lectures around the world. Her
world has been translated into more than twelve languages, and
she's the author of thirteen books and tarot decks. Her
latest work is called The Magic of Tarot. Sasha, welcome back.
(00:27):
You're on with our Lisa gar Almost four years.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Ago I was and it's so nice to be back
with you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How are you.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I'm good, George, How.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Are you great? Why does it seem that's my impression
that everybody seems to be talking about tarot cards these days?
It's white sad.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Taro has really come into vogue, and I think that
we can pretty much blame the pandemic for that. What happened, well,
you know, people were sequestered in their homes, and I
think a lot of peace people that normally had nine
to five jobs had an opportunity and free time on
their hands to explore alternative spiritualities that they had always
(01:09):
been interested in and perhaps didn't have time, and suddenly
the pandemic gave them the opportunity add in social media
and things like TikTok, and suddenly witchcraft tarot all became
sort of mainstream.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
How many cards in the tarot deck? Sasha?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
There's seventy eight cards in a traditional tarot deck.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And how old is taro?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So we don't know when or where tarot originated. The
oldest tarot deck that we have on hand comes from
fourteenth century Italy. Back in the day, those were commissioned
by wealthy Italian and European families. The same way you
might commission a painting, you could commission a tarot deck
(01:56):
and have yourself painted into the cards. But nobody knows
where it originated. That is lost to the mystery of time.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
What was the original intention of tarot cards.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Sasha, Well, again, this is something that's up for question
because it depends on who's writing the history books.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So the original use.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
We know that taro was used in northern Europe for
card playing, so the fancy cards would be used by
the royal families, but also there was flimsy printed cards
that were used as tavern games just by the general public.
So taro was definitely used for card playing. And we
(02:39):
can only assume because people have always used divination with
all sorts of things, from reading the clouds to casting
bones to astrology that, of course, because taro is a
visual object, people were probably using them for divination from
the beginning of time.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Was there any evil attached to it?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, of course there's always evil attached to something taro
if you're using it for divination, right, which is essentially
looking into your own future, sort of gathering.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Your own power.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Any institution, such as organized religion, that wants to claim
that they are the mouthpiece for a higher power might
say that something like taro is evil, and then you know, George,
it also depends on who's wielding the cards, do you know.
(03:37):
It's sort of like a sword, which is one of
the suits of tarot. A sword could be used for protection,
for decoration, for collection, or it could be used for
diabolical murder. So it depends on who's wielding the cards.
I would say.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's very important, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And it's important when you yourself are looking to have
a tarot read, and not just a tarot reading, a
psychic reading, any sort of intuitive reading. It's really important
to know who you're sitting down with because the power
of suggestion is strong, So you're gonna want to interview
or really get to know or get good references about
(04:17):
anyone you get a psychic or tarot reading from.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Do you know the tarot reader Art Russian Garden? Yes?
I do, good guy. So he's on our show quite
a bit.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Oh he's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yuh not me tarot years ago, not that I read it,
but uh, it's fast.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Did you take tarot classes, George?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I did not. I did not. I should usually, you.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Know, I think I think anybody everybody, I think everybody
should if if if, I mean I think that Tarot
is honestly best used as a personal practice because you
can use the cards for self inquiry, but you know,
you can also use them to enhance your psychic ability,
intuitive ability, creative ability, so you know they're good for
(05:06):
so many, so many things.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Do you have a favorite card.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I don't have a favorite card. I was going to
mention the death card, not as a favorite, but one
that I don't want to pull.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Well, the death card is actually pretty fantastic, and I'm
a Scorpio, so of course I'm going to say that,
and we're moving into the season of death with Halloween
kind of right around the corner.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, if you take.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
The taro literally, which it should not be taken literally. Yeah,
the death card is something that you don't.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Want to see.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
But it's important to remember. The death card is number thirteen,
comes smack dab in the middle of the major arcana.
So death is not the ending that most people would
think that it is. It's actually a card of transformation
and almost in a sense, it's the oltist's resurrection or
(06:02):
they rise to greet up what comes in the following card.
So death is a real fantastic turning point, sort of
the lynch pin of what makes life possible. So it's
actually an exciting card to get in a reading.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
You could also mean the end of an era, right.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, it means getting rid of really what no
longer suits you anymore?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Is it take a long time to teach somebody how
to read Tarot cards?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
It depends on the person or the student that you have.
In other words, something that unfortunately is predominant with tarot
students in beginning tarot students is that a Tarot deck
can be quite overwhelming, and of course it's loaded in
esoteric history. So students or the general public will often
(06:58):
come to a tarot class and be terrified of getting
their interpretation of the cards wrong, and fear is the
quickest thing that to shut anything down. So if you
have a student, or if you bring yourself to the
taro with a curiosity and a willingness to just go ahead,
(07:19):
look at the image that you're that's in front of
you in the card, and tell the story that you see,
allow the messages to come through through taro symbolism. It's
really easy to read tarot cards. So yeah, so as
long as you're not afraid of getting it wrong, they're wonderfully,
(07:39):
fantastically easy to read.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, Sasha, if you had ten tarro readers, would you
come up with ten different things if they were spotting
the same card.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
That's a great question. Yes and no. Uh So.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
The interesting thing about tarot readers, and again this harkens
back to my earlier point about knowing who you're sitting
down with, you're going to get more of that reader's
personality than anything else. If ten different readers are reading,
say the deaf card comes up for you, it will
(08:17):
be grounded in the same that they will be talking about. Yes,
something's ending, there's a transformation, but the way they deliver
the message is going to be different, but the core
narrative of the reading will probably be the same.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
What will a tarot card or cards tell you?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Hm, Well, that Taro tells you. The information of what
Taro brings forth is entirely based on the question that
you ask, so they can tell you anything you want
to know. And the important thing I always say is
(08:56):
to ask really good questions. Of course, that's why a
tarot practice, pulling a card a day is a really
phenomenal practice where you can kind of clear your mind
and say, oh, like what do I want to pay
attention to today to have like the best day ever?
It's a great question to ask, you know. Great Tarot
(09:18):
questions are grounded in personal power, not asking oh when
am I going to fall in love? But what should
I pay attention to to come into alignment with like
my highest romantic potential. Questions that kind of put the
power in your hands, will give you really really positive
(09:41):
answers that you can take action on, and then you
really take destiny into your own hands.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Do you pull the card then ask the question, or
do you ask the question then pull the card?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
You can you can do either.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Traditionally the question is asked before the cards are laid
out on the table. And again if you're using tarot
for yourself, it's a really kind of meditative and wonderful
thing to ask the question and allow the shuffling, Think
about the question, think about your outcome, allow the shuffling
(10:20):
of the cards to kind of put you into that
intuitive state so that you can receive the best possible answer.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
When we take readings next hour. You want a question
from an individual nothing to do with medical, right, No,
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
A doctor, so I would never give medical advice based
on the tarot.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
How many cards will you pull per person?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I'll do one card readings now?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Is that the norm when you do a reading.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well, it depends.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
If you're sitting down with someone for a good thirty
minutes or an hour, you would definitely pull and most
readers would would pull probably a sizable amount of cards.
It's really fun to do keen card Celtic cross readings
because it's really kind of like it's kind of like
looking at a scam of the person who's sitting in
(11:14):
front of you. But for time's sake and so that
we can read for as many people as possible, I'll
just do a one card reading.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Is it more accurate when the individual pulls their own card?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Not necessarily? I you know the and the accuracy.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You know it can be as is accurate if the
reader's pulling the card or if the person is pulling
the card, and like you asked earlier, oftentimes you can
and this is where magic comes into play.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
With taro.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You can actually pull out the cards that you want
to be working with or that you want to invoke
into your life. So, for instance, if you're looking for
love of you might want to pull out the lover's
card from a tarot deck and keep that in sight
all day long, to keep reminding your subconscious to manifest that. Right.
(12:12):
So yeah, it's either anybody can pull the card and
get an interesting, accurate reading, but they can also be
used in reverse. You can pull specific cards to enhance
that card's energy in your life.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Did you ever pull a card Sasha for somebody and
you didn't want to tell them what it meant?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Really coorse of course and ought to be honest with you,
George straight up and this is speaking to someone I was.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You know, I worked as a professional tarot card reader
in New York City for about a decade and I
read for everyone from you know, celebrities on down. Usually
it's not the card that's scary usually or that gives
you pause, but oftentimes it's the person sitting down across
(13:10):
from you.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
It's an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
After a while you get to know you kind of
know what the cards are probably going to say, just
by the energy that that person is giving off.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
How long are your Tarot card classes?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, I do everything from one hour zooms for the
organization such as the Theosophical Society.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Too entire week long retreats.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So twice a year I do a Tarot and yoga
retreat at Cropollo Center for Yoga and Health, which is
in Lenox, Massachusetts. In the winter, I do a three
day yoga and Tarot retreat, and then in the summer,
usually in July, we do a seven day yoga and
Tarot retreat. Yeah, so you pretty much can get me
(14:01):
for an hour, you can get me for a week long,
and whatever you prefer. I'll be doing a Halloween weekend
retreat at Tibet House's US retreat center up in the Catskills,
Not that you.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Would, but can tarot be used for nefarious purposes?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Too?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Of course it can be Well, anything can be right,
you could use your car to get you to work,
or you could use it to run someone over. But yeah,
tarot can be used for terrible things.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
How would one do that? Not that I wouldn't learn that,
but how would one do that?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
But this is a great question, George, because it comes
down to the ethics that a terror reader has, which
is an important thing to consider, even if you're just
reading cards for yourself, and what that means. Terrible nefarious
reasons could be something as simple as as trying to
figure out what's going on inside of somebody else's head
(15:03):
first of all, So when we're talking about taro ethics,
it's important to think about, you know, how you would feel.
Would you want someone pulling cards like George? Got what's
George thinking about me right now?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Like?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Would you want somebody being intrusive like that?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
That breaks a boundary.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
So you can rephrase the questions of your cards saying,
not what is George thinking of me right now? But
perhaps what's the best way for me to approach George,
so that X Y Z. But if you want to
move to even darker things, like think about any horrible
question you could ask, you know, how could I murder
(15:45):
this person? How can I stop what they're doing? How
can I wield control?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
And we all know.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
That Tarot can also be you because tarrow is can
often feel like a hidden practice. They're gurus and teachers
who uh you know, use knowledge of Taro to become
experts and kind of like rule over sycophan students. They're
all kinds of dark things that you could do with
(16:17):
the cards.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Can Tarot cards predict things?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
I mean I think that they.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I think that's primarily what they're known for and what
like the average person might think that they're used for prediction,
and of course they can be. But when you're but
again it goes back to who is using the cards.
So if you're someone who has natural psychic ability, who
already can predict things that will happen in the future
(16:50):
and have and and have that experience, then Taro can
build upon that muscle. But it's again it is it's
a person by person thing, and I think that prediction
is not necessarily a helpful thing when using Taro. So,
for instance, if someone you know said, okay, Taro, will
(17:13):
I ever like get pregnant and have a child, and
that tarot says no, what would that person go dool?
Speaker 4 (17:21):
They stop trying? You know, am I ever going to
fall in love?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Or what?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Am I going to fall in love?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And Taro says, the card says that it's never going
to happen? Would you stop looking for love? So? I
don't think that predictions are necessarily helpful. I think it's
much better to use them to read the energy of
any particular situation, so then you know how to maneuver.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Give yourself some legal room.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Sasha, what got you involved in tarot cards in the
first place.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
George, I'm a Halloween baby. So I always thought that
I was a witch or a ghoul from a very
young age.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I you were born on Halloween.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, October thirty, first h.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Her treat Hacker treat baby. So I just I just
felt magical. And you know, I got my first tarot
deck when I was twelve years old to read cards
at a fundraiser at my elementary school.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, so I just swarm around you.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
No, because I opened the deck, I didn't know what
I was looking at and then my stepsister's born again
Christian friend walked into the kitchen saw my tarot cards
and she freaked out, told me they were the devil's work,
and she promptly burned them.
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