May 7, 2025 • 18 mins
George Noory and author Melissa St. Hilaire discuss witchcraft, her efforts to destigmatize witchcraft to show its positive aspects, and how people can curse themselves without even knowing it by creating negative energy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
American witch Melissa Saint Clair grew up in the backwoods
of Massachusetts and was raised on nature magic. She was
taught to communicate with animals, plants, and fairies by her grandmother.
She began reading tarot cards at the age of twelve,
studied WICCA in high school. Melissa, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Thank you, George. It is such an honor to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You sound like a good witch.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, you know, I try to be.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Why do you think witchcraft is so distorted? I mean
going back to I mean you were raised in Massachusetts, Salem, Massachusetts,
where they burned witches at the stake for crying out
loud what happened?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, you know, I really think it has a lot
to do with control, to be honest. You know, when
it comes to being a witch and practicing witchcraft, we
have a direct connection to source. And you know it's
hard to control a person when they have direct connection
to source. You know, witches are free thinkers, and you know,
(01:17):
we oftentimes create our own paths in life. We create
our own futures and things like that. And you know,
I feel like in order for you know, certain authoritative,
you know, people to be to keep their control, they
would have to kind of get people to not have
(01:38):
that direct connection to tell them that they need mediators,
whether it's a pastor or a priest or what have you.
And I'm not putting down any religion whatsoever, but I'm
just saying I think that's why they ultimately tried to
say that witches were bad, you know, because they wanted
to control people.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Now, you call yourself an American, which thirty what does
that mean?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yes, well, it means a lot of different things. You know,
I am American born and bred, and you know, I
have ancestors dating back to the Pilgrim times, and you know,
so I really wanted to honor that side of it.
And the beauty of being an American witch is, you know,
America is a melting pot. You know, for eons people
(02:26):
have come here from all over the world, and I
feel like that creates this really interesting vibe, this really
interesting collective of beliefs and practices and cultures, and that
giant melting pot of all these different people coming together
and bring all the things that they believe in. It
creates something new. It all combines and becomes a new thing.
(02:50):
And so that's kind of why American Witch. And then
the which part, of course, because I consider myself a witch,
you know, and to me, to be a witch is
a beautiful thing. It's a natural thing. It's authentic and genuine.
And then the thirteen, well, thirteen is a lucky number
(03:11):
for witches.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
You know, when people hear you're a witch, do they
freak out?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Sometimes? My grandma freaks out. I mean I love her,
don't get me wrong, but she's she's very Catholic, and
she tried to, you know, get my parents to raise
me Catholic, but my parents were agnostic. But you know,
she still is weirded out by it. She'll say things like,
you know, are you still doing that witchy stuff? And
(03:38):
I'm like, yes, Grandma, it pays better than any job
I've ever had in my life. But you know, and
it also also makes me happier than any job or
anything else I've ever done in my life. But you know,
I try to just remind people that, you know, being
a witch is like anything else. You know, it can
(04:01):
be good and it can be bad because it's not
about the witch craft. Witchcraft in and of itself is
entirely neutral, just like energy, you know, just like the sunshine.
But anything can be used for good or for bad.
You can get a sunburn, but you can also grow crops.
So it's more how do you use the energy? Are
(04:24):
you using it to help people? Are you using it
to you know, raise up humanity, or are you using it,
you know, just for you know, hurting people or something
like that. I personally prefer to not do that, you know.
And then there's personal gain as well, which is kind
of a gray area.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You mentioned source. I'm going to assume that you believe
in a higher power. I do.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I do, And I'm going to be honest. There was
a period in my life where I was an atheist.
I I went through a strange time I I I'll
be honest. I was diagnosed with severe well with social anxiety,
and I was medicated, and sadly, I had a horrible
reaction to the medication and it made me have a
(05:18):
complete and total nervous breakdown and I had to seek
a lot of treatment and therapy and helping things like
I know, Melissa, that was I want to say about
fifteen or so years twenty years ago something like that.
And you know, I'm obviously much better now, but you know,
(05:43):
when that was happening, I during that time, I had
to believe in nothing because you know, all of these
psychiatrists and shrinks and everything that I went to. You know,
you can't say like I talked to fairies when I
was a kid. They'll lock you up for the rest
of your life. So I went through this phase where
I was like, Okay, fine, nothing is nothing that I
(06:06):
can't touch with my hands and feel. This solid isn't real.
And I really believe this for a period of time.
And then I had a very bizarre experience happened to me,
and it reawakened all of these things from my childhood
that I believed and I knew to be real because
(06:26):
of my grandmother, things that I turned my back on
for a decade. And that one is a dear friend
of mine named Amy Wallace, who was a best selling author,
the daughter of Irving Wallace, also a best selling author. Anyway,
Amy passed away very suddenly, and I did not take
(06:47):
it well. She was I loved that woman. She was
a mentor to me. And right after I got the
phone call. You know, first I lost my breath. I
could barely breathe, fell to my knees. My knees actually
gave out. I didn't even know that was a real thing.
And as I was on my knees sobbing, so uncontrollably
(07:09):
that I couldn't even breathe, all of a sudden, this
like a magical thing happened, where the air in the
room became electrified, like just before a rainstorm, And all
of a sudden, I felt a hand touched my shoulder
(07:32):
and there was no hand there, and with that touch,
it was like, ah, it was like this beautiful energy
passed through me and calmed me down. I stopped crying,
I caught my breath, and all of a sudden, I
felt a whisp. I felt like wind on my ear,
and I heard a whisper and it was my friend
(07:55):
Amy's voice, and she said, it's okay, Melissa, I'm not
in pain anymore. And from that moment on, everything was
different from me. I was like, oh, my gosh, you
know all of those things that I did when I
was a kid with my grandma, that was real. Those
spirits were real, and I had kind of brushed them
(08:18):
off as childhood imagination and fantasy. And then when I
had this moment with my friend who had passed on,
I was like, wait a minute, they can. It's not
just some weird imagination or some weird like energetic echo
of a person. It's sentient. It's real. She can talk
to me. And for a split second two I was
(08:40):
kind of like, or am I losing my mind? And so,
you know, I went and I talked to a bunch
of people to get, you know, advice on it, and
everyone was like, aside from maybe a handful of people,
everyone was like, you know, that really seems like Amy.
It really seems like she came to you to calm
you down, to help you. And I experimented one day
(09:03):
and I was doing yoga in my living room and
I was thinking about her, and she and I had
a running joke about yoga because she studied under Carlos
Castaneda and he had this thing called tense critty or
something like that, and it was very similar to yoga.
So she would joke that I was doing Carlos's exercises. Anyway,
I'm doing that in the living room and I'm thinking
about Amy, and I'm missing her. And when I did yoga,
(09:26):
I would do it to music, and I had it
was a long time ago. So I had this old
fashioned dial up stereo, and all of a sudden, the
dial in the stereo started to move on his own,
and I was like, is that you as Amy? Is
that you? And I got kind of freaked out and
(09:46):
I said, can you stop doing that? It's weirding me out?
And she did. She stopped.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Just like that, just like that.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And I was like, I can talk back to them.
Only can they talk to me and tell me things.
I can talk back to them, and they can. They
can do what I ask, and they can interact with
the real world. And so from that point on, I
just dove ahead first into all things paranormal, supernatural, the occult. Everything.
(10:22):
I was like, I want to know it all. I
want to know everything.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
George, what is your definition? When someone says, so you're
practicing which what are you? What do you tell them?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Well, George, I tell them that I always have rocks
in my pocket. No, seriously, you know, I tell them
that my practice is sort of eclectic. You know, there's
a lot there are some witches who are you know,
Hellenistic witches or British traditional craft or ceremonial ceremonial or
what have you, and mineus eclectic. I'm kind of a
(10:56):
nature which you know, I'm kind of a chaos magician.
But at the end of the day, for me, it's
all about being one with nature, having direct communication with
spirit or energy or source or whatever you want to
call it, and being in control of your own fate.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Now you do spell crafting, what is that?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah? So spell crafting is basically like prayer with fun accessories.
So I'll have clients who will book me through the
green Man Store in Burbank, California, and they'll have all
kinds of issues, you know, it could be you know,
I I've done some recently for people who were owed money.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So I did a little spell to get people who
owe them money to hurry up and pay them back,
and I can say that successfully worked, and I was
very happy about that. Sometimes it's to help people get
a job. Sometimes to help people find confidence or to
you know, boost something within themselves. Those are my favorites.
(12:07):
And sometimes it's for love. Love can be the tricky ones, though.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Have you ever cast a spell on someone to harm
them in such a way.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Oh gosh, No, I don't like to harm people. I'm
extremely sensitive. I don't even like to step on an ant,
you know. And even if someone like cuts me off
on traffic and I yell at them, I cry afterwards,
because just I don't like yelling at anybody. I don't
like harming people, So I personally wouldn't do that. But
(12:40):
at the same time, I don't judge others. I try
not to judge anybody. I try to give people the
benefit of the doubt and say, you know, hopefully if
you're doing that, you have some good reason. You know,
maybe you're protecting someone somehow, maybe you're stopping a domestic
abuse person or something like that from harming somebody, you know.
(13:01):
But I personally shy away from them.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So you don't put curses on people, ah, heck no.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
But I do study them. I do read about them.
I do study them because I find that it's important
to know what people can be capable of. And you know,
you can't really undo a curse unless you know how
a curse is made true.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Do they work? Do curses work?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
And no, you know it's honestly the thing that I've
kind of come up across the most in my life.
In my practice is a lot of people curse themselves
without meaning to or without realizing it. You know, they
think someone else has cursed them, and in thinking that
(13:49):
someone has cursed them, they then create that energy and
stub their toe, get into a car accident.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It's like it's like a mine over matter thing, like
a self sabotage thing.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Usually fascinating. Now you've got the documentary series called Secrets
of the Craft. What is that?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, So I started this little documentary. It's just a
zero budget web series for Dead Air, Full Spectrum, Ken
and George and they're great guys. And the idea behind
it is I wanted to destigmatize witchcraft and witches. So
(14:30):
I went around and I interviewed some friends and I
basically just asked them to talk about what witchcraft meant
to them. You know, do they even call themselves a witch? Like,
what do they even do? And I also asked them
all to share a secret of the craft so that
I could have something sort of enticing to share with
(14:51):
an audience. And in my very first episode, I have Carrie,
who is the High Priestess of the ked Kevin, and
she shared a secret spell, a spell that she was
sworn to never share unless a certain circumstance came up,
and she shared that with me. And it's just a
spell to help people to stop gossip or shade thrown
(15:15):
their way. So stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And you've got a book I'll call thirty Real Signs
from the Afterlife intriguing.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, so yeah, that book was kind of a strange thing.
With that book. I had wanted to write a book
for a very long time, and I even did a
spell to get a book published, but I was very
shy and I didn't approach any publishers. I was just
I was terrified of rejection and I don't know, I
(15:46):
got paralyzed by it. And so instead I just dove
myself into the things that I love, like mediumship and
the afterlife and ghosts and stuff. Made myself an expert
after years of you know, studying and teaching, and then
a publisher out of the blue, Callisto, reached out to
(16:06):
me and said they wanted to do a book on
mediumship and they were looking for an expert. Thus became
thirty Real Signs from the Afterlife and the first part
of the book is all about teaching people how to
connect with spirit. I take everything I learned and I
(16:28):
boil it down to very easy, practical steps people can follow.
It's a small book. You could read it in one sitting.
And then the next section, the big section is kind
of like an encyclopedia or dictionary of potential signs. Something
that I've noticed that people struggle with when they deal
(16:48):
with spirit is how to interpret the signs that they
received them because it's not super clear. It's not like
you and I talking right now, and so I kind
of help people with that. And then and the last
section there is a little journal area where I sort
of push people to create their own spirit language, because
you know, a black cat can mean a vastly different
(17:11):
thing to different people for different reasons.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh, that's absolutely true. Is the spirit world something that
we should be afraid of?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Well, you know, I don't think so. But at the
same time, when I was a little girl, I would
wake up screaming from nightmares, and it would be because
I would wake up with a circle of spirits staring
down at me, and I'd call my mom in and
she would be like, you know, it's not real. It's
just a nightmare, but I knew it was real. But
(17:45):
I was also a child, and this was before I
confided in my grandmother and she helped me deal with it.
But what I've come to sort of realize is is
that most spirits do not mean you any harm.
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
American witch Melissa Saint Clair grew up in the backwoods
of Massachusetts and was raised on nature magic. She was
taught to communicate with animals, plants, and fairies by her grandmother.
She began reading tarot cards at the age of twelve,
studied WICCA in high school. Melissa, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Thank you, George. It is such an honor to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You sound like a good witch.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, you know, I try to be.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Why do you think witchcraft is so distorted? I mean
going back to I mean you were raised in Massachusetts, Salem, Massachusetts,
where they burned witches at the stake for crying out
loud what happened?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, you know, I really think it has a lot
to do with control, to be honest. You know, when
it comes to being a witch and practicing witchcraft, we
have a direct connection to source. And you know it's
hard to control a person when they have direct connection
to source. You know, witches are free thinkers, and you know,
(01:17):
we oftentimes create our own paths in life. We create
our own futures and things like that. And you know,
I feel like in order for you know, certain authoritative,
you know, people to be to keep their control, they
would have to kind of get people to not have
(01:38):
that direct connection to tell them that they need mediators,
whether it's a pastor or a priest or what have you.
And I'm not putting down any religion whatsoever, but I'm
just saying I think that's why they ultimately tried to
say that witches were bad, you know, because they wanted
to control people.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Now, you call yourself an American, which thirty what does
that mean?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yes, well, it means a lot of different things. You know,
I am American born and bred, and you know, I
have ancestors dating back to the Pilgrim times, and you know,
so I really wanted to honor that side of it.
And the beauty of being an American witch is, you know,
America is a melting pot. You know, for eons people
(02:26):
have come here from all over the world, and I
feel like that creates this really interesting vibe, this really
interesting collective of beliefs and practices and cultures, and that
giant melting pot of all these different people coming together
and bring all the things that they believe in. It
creates something new. It all combines and becomes a new thing.
(02:50):
And so that's kind of why American Witch. And then
the which part, of course, because I consider myself a witch,
you know, and to me, to be a witch is
a beautiful thing. It's a natural thing. It's authentic and genuine.
And then the thirteen, well, thirteen is a lucky number
(03:11):
for witches.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
You know, when people hear you're a witch, do they
freak out?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Sometimes? My grandma freaks out. I mean I love her,
don't get me wrong, but she's she's very Catholic, and
she tried to, you know, get my parents to raise
me Catholic, but my parents were agnostic. But you know,
she still is weirded out by it. She'll say things like,
you know, are you still doing that witchy stuff? And
(03:38):
I'm like, yes, Grandma, it pays better than any job
I've ever had in my life. But you know, and
it also also makes me happier than any job or
anything else I've ever done in my life. But you know,
I try to just remind people that, you know, being
a witch is like anything else. You know, it can
(04:01):
be good and it can be bad because it's not
about the witch craft. Witchcraft in and of itself is
entirely neutral, just like energy, you know, just like the sunshine.
But anything can be used for good or for bad.
You can get a sunburn, but you can also grow crops.
So it's more how do you use the energy? Are
(04:24):
you using it to help people? Are you using it
to you know, raise up humanity, or are you using it,
you know, just for you know, hurting people or something
like that. I personally prefer to not do that, you know.
And then there's personal gain as well, which is kind
of a gray area.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You mentioned source. I'm going to assume that you believe
in a higher power. I do.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I do, And I'm going to be honest. There was
a period in my life where I was an atheist.
I I went through a strange time I I I'll
be honest. I was diagnosed with severe well with social anxiety,
and I was medicated, and sadly, I had a horrible
reaction to the medication and it made me have a
(05:18):
complete and total nervous breakdown and I had to seek
a lot of treatment and therapy and helping things like
I know, Melissa, that was I want to say about
fifteen or so years twenty years ago something like that.
And you know, I'm obviously much better now, but you know,
(05:43):
when that was happening, I during that time, I had
to believe in nothing because you know, all of these
psychiatrists and shrinks and everything that I went to. You know,
you can't say like I talked to fairies when I
was a kid. They'll lock you up for the rest
of your life. So I went through this phase where
I was like, Okay, fine, nothing is nothing that I
(06:06):
can't touch with my hands and feel. This solid isn't real.
And I really believe this for a period of time.
And then I had a very bizarre experience happened to me,
and it reawakened all of these things from my childhood
that I believed and I knew to be real because
(06:26):
of my grandmother, things that I turned my back on
for a decade. And that one is a dear friend
of mine named Amy Wallace, who was a best selling author,
the daughter of Irving Wallace, also a best selling author. Anyway,
Amy passed away very suddenly, and I did not take
(06:47):
it well. She was I loved that woman. She was
a mentor to me. And right after I got the
phone call. You know, first I lost my breath. I
could barely breathe, fell to my knees. My knees actually
gave out. I didn't even know that was a real thing.
And as I was on my knees sobbing, so uncontrollably
(07:09):
that I couldn't even breathe, all of a sudden, this
like a magical thing happened, where the air in the
room became electrified, like just before a rainstorm, And all
of a sudden, I felt a hand touched my shoulder
(07:32):
and there was no hand there, and with that touch,
it was like, ah, it was like this beautiful energy
passed through me and calmed me down. I stopped crying,
I caught my breath, and all of a sudden, I
felt a whisp. I felt like wind on my ear,
and I heard a whisper and it was my friend
(07:55):
Amy's voice, and she said, it's okay, Melissa, I'm not
in pain anymore. And from that moment on, everything was
different from me. I was like, oh, my gosh, you
know all of those things that I did when I
was a kid with my grandma, that was real. Those
spirits were real, and I had kind of brushed them
(08:18):
off as childhood imagination and fantasy. And then when I
had this moment with my friend who had passed on,
I was like, wait a minute, they can. It's not
just some weird imagination or some weird like energetic echo
of a person. It's sentient. It's real. She can talk
to me. And for a split second two I was
(08:40):
kind of like, or am I losing my mind? And so,
you know, I went and I talked to a bunch
of people to get, you know, advice on it, and
everyone was like, aside from maybe a handful of people,
everyone was like, you know, that really seems like Amy.
It really seems like she came to you to calm
you down, to help you. And I experimented one day
(09:03):
and I was doing yoga in my living room and
I was thinking about her, and she and I had
a running joke about yoga because she studied under Carlos
Castaneda and he had this thing called tense critty or
something like that, and it was very similar to yoga.
So she would joke that I was doing Carlos's exercises. Anyway,
I'm doing that in the living room and I'm thinking
about Amy, and I'm missing her. And when I did yoga,
(09:26):
I would do it to music, and I had it
was a long time ago. So I had this old
fashioned dial up stereo, and all of a sudden, the
dial in the stereo started to move on his own,
and I was like, is that you as Amy? Is
that you? And I got kind of freaked out and
(09:46):
I said, can you stop doing that? It's weirding me out?
And she did. She stopped.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Just like that, just like that.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And I was like, I can talk back to them.
Only can they talk to me and tell me things.
I can talk back to them, and they can. They
can do what I ask, and they can interact with
the real world. And so from that point on, I
just dove ahead first into all things paranormal, supernatural, the occult. Everything.
(10:22):
I was like, I want to know it all. I
want to know everything.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
George, what is your definition? When someone says, so you're
practicing which what are you? What do you tell them?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Well, George, I tell them that I always have rocks
in my pocket. No, seriously, you know, I tell them
that my practice is sort of eclectic. You know, there's
a lot there are some witches who are you know,
Hellenistic witches or British traditional craft or ceremonial ceremonial or
what have you, and mineus eclectic. I'm kind of a
(10:56):
nature which you know, I'm kind of a chaos magician.
But at the end of the day, for me, it's
all about being one with nature, having direct communication with
spirit or energy or source or whatever you want to
call it, and being in control of your own fate.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Now you do spell crafting, what is that?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah? So spell crafting is basically like prayer with fun accessories.
So I'll have clients who will book me through the
green Man Store in Burbank, California, and they'll have all
kinds of issues, you know, it could be you know,
I I've done some recently for people who were owed money.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So I did a little spell to get people who
owe them money to hurry up and pay them back,
and I can say that successfully worked, and I was
very happy about that. Sometimes it's to help people get
a job. Sometimes to help people find confidence or to
you know, boost something within themselves. Those are my favorites.
(12:07):
And sometimes it's for love. Love can be the tricky ones, though.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Have you ever cast a spell on someone to harm
them in such a way.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Oh gosh, No, I don't like to harm people. I'm
extremely sensitive. I don't even like to step on an ant,
you know. And even if someone like cuts me off
on traffic and I yell at them, I cry afterwards,
because just I don't like yelling at anybody. I don't
like harming people, So I personally wouldn't do that. But
(12:40):
at the same time, I don't judge others. I try
not to judge anybody. I try to give people the
benefit of the doubt and say, you know, hopefully if
you're doing that, you have some good reason. You know,
maybe you're protecting someone somehow, maybe you're stopping a domestic
abuse person or something like that from harming somebody, you know.
(13:01):
But I personally shy away from them.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So you don't put curses on people, ah, heck no.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
But I do study them. I do read about them.
I do study them because I find that it's important
to know what people can be capable of. And you know,
you can't really undo a curse unless you know how
a curse is made true.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Do they work? Do curses work?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
And no, you know it's honestly the thing that I've
kind of come up across the most in my life.
In my practice is a lot of people curse themselves
without meaning to or without realizing it. You know, they
think someone else has cursed them, and in thinking that
(13:49):
someone has cursed them, they then create that energy and
stub their toe, get into a car accident.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It's like it's like a mine over matter thing, like
a self sabotage thing.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Usually fascinating. Now you've got the documentary series called Secrets
of the Craft. What is that?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, So I started this little documentary. It's just a
zero budget web series for Dead Air, Full Spectrum, Ken
and George and they're great guys. And the idea behind
it is I wanted to destigmatize witchcraft and witches. So
(14:30):
I went around and I interviewed some friends and I
basically just asked them to talk about what witchcraft meant
to them. You know, do they even call themselves a witch? Like,
what do they even do? And I also asked them
all to share a secret of the craft so that
I could have something sort of enticing to share with
(14:51):
an audience. And in my very first episode, I have Carrie,
who is the High Priestess of the ked Kevin, and
she shared a secret spell, a spell that she was
sworn to never share unless a certain circumstance came up,
and she shared that with me. And it's just a
spell to help people to stop gossip or shade thrown
(15:15):
their way. So stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And you've got a book I'll call thirty Real Signs
from the Afterlife intriguing.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, so yeah, that book was kind of a strange thing.
With that book. I had wanted to write a book
for a very long time, and I even did a
spell to get a book published, but I was very
shy and I didn't approach any publishers. I was just
I was terrified of rejection and I don't know, I
(15:46):
got paralyzed by it. And so instead I just dove
myself into the things that I love, like mediumship and
the afterlife and ghosts and stuff. Made myself an expert
after years of you know, studying and teaching, and then
a publisher out of the blue, Callisto, reached out to
(16:06):
me and said they wanted to do a book on
mediumship and they were looking for an expert. Thus became
thirty Real Signs from the Afterlife and the first part
of the book is all about teaching people how to
connect with spirit. I take everything I learned and I
(16:28):
boil it down to very easy, practical steps people can follow.
It's a small book. You could read it in one sitting.
And then the next section, the big section is kind
of like an encyclopedia or dictionary of potential signs. Something
that I've noticed that people struggle with when they deal
(16:48):
with spirit is how to interpret the signs that they
received them because it's not super clear. It's not like
you and I talking right now, and so I kind
of help people with that. And then and the last
section there is a little journal area where I sort
of push people to create their own spirit language, because
you know, a black cat can mean a vastly different
(17:11):
thing to different people for different reasons.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh, that's absolutely true. Is the spirit world something that
we should be afraid of?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Well, you know, I don't think so. But at the
same time, when I was a little girl, I would
wake up screaming from nightmares, and it would be because
I would wake up with a circle of spirits staring
down at me, and I'd call my mom in and
she would be like, you know, it's not real. It's
just a nightmare, but I knew it was real. But
(17:45):
I was also a child, and this was before I
confided in my grandmother and she helped me deal with it.
But what I've come to sort of realize is is
that most spirits do not mean you any harm.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
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