February 14, 2020 • 18 mins
George Noory and paranormal researcher Richard Estep and filmmaker Bill Bungay recount the story of the Black Monk of Pontefract, a violent ghost that lives in a haunted mansion owned by Bungay on a remote British estate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George
Nori with you. Let me introduce our two special guests tonight.
First of all, Richard Estep back with us. He was
last with me about a year ago. First got involved
with paranormal research in nineteen ninety five in the United
Kingdom after attending an overnight investigation at the very infamous
(00:22):
church out there, and he spent the next five years
investigating the haunted hamlets of Great Britain. He co founded
the Boulder County Paranormal Research Group in Colorado with his
wife Laura, after relocating to the United States back in
nineteen ninety nine. Richard, welcome back. I'm looking forward to this.
Thank you George for having me back, and it's a
pleasure to be here. This is going to be exciting.
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And then Bill Bungay is with us. He's a movie maker.
Some of his movies include When the Lights Went Out, Nuriv,
Maradonna and the Peapod Movie. He is an ad man.
He founded a B m B which is a top
ten London an England advertising agency that's pretty good. A
published singer songwriter, owner of the most haunted house in
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the United Kingdom, which we'll talk about, and Bill was
a skeptic, but the house changed all of that, resulting
him and co authoring the book with Richard called, of course,
The Black Monk of Pontefract. Then Bill, welcome to the
program as well, M George Kademi, Richard and Knemi to
all my American coverings. How did you Tube guys come
(01:27):
across this incredible story of the Black Monk of pont Effect.
Let's start with you. Richard. Well, this was a story
that I'd always grown up with Jordan as a young kid,
right before there were any paranormal TV shows. I would
read every book that I could on the subject from
both sides of the Atlantic, and one of the classics
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of the genre was Poltergeist by Colin Wilson, a very
ubiquitous author, and the story of the Black Monk I
remember frightening me from a very early age because you
had all of the component here of a terrifying haunting.
You had this tall, doghooded figure which menaced the family.
And the key thing I think was this didn't take
place in some old manor house or historic castle. I
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saw pictures of the house and this was the kind
of place that I lived in. You know, it could
have happened in your house or my house, and that's
when I think it becomes most frightening. Indeed, and Bill,
let let's bring you in. You own the house were
this ghost poltergeist happens to be. How did you end
up finding this house? I do, indeed, George, And it's
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interestingly but by the same via the same route as
as Richard. In fact, Colin Wilson's book Poulteist was given
to me a good thirty years ago by by a
work colleague of mine whose mother had had had witnessed
the events directly, the events that happened back in the seventies,
(02:57):
and I ended up I thought that it was such
an interesting story, the idea that a poltergeist moves into
a small we call them council houses in the UK.
It's just like a state kind of assisted at home.
And I just thought it was a fascinating storyline poltergeist
moved into council house because, as Richard says, you know,
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they're normally sort of associated with with you know, big
castles or dark mansion houses, but this one moved into
a tiny home, and I thought, what a great idea
for a movie. So so really all I did was
set about making a movie about the house. But as
a skeptic and subsequently having made the movie, I was
looking being an ad man, I was looking for an
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interesting way to promote, to promote the movie, and it
just so happened that one of my clients was in
Ponty Fract in West Yorkshire, which is in the north
of England, and I went over to the house and
there it was. For the first time, I was visiting this,
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this infamous home, and then I noticed the for sale
sign and discovered that it had been on the market
for four years. It was sat empty, damp, rotting away basically,
and I thought, wow, I could have I could say,
you know, have my premiere in the actual house, you know,
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the movie about the house in the actual house. And
so I bought it, thinking that I would do just that,
and I did. I had a tiny little red carpet
put down this small pavements and two competition winners walked
down the down the red carpet, were led into the
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house and they sat and watched the movie. Sadly, nothing
of any great merit occurred that night, which was my suspicion.
I was a skeptic at the time, and sadly, my
brilliant idea fell on deaf ears and barely barely created
(05:05):
a whisper in the media. So I was, you know,
it didn't go to plan um. But as I say,
I was a skeptics, So all I felt that I
needed to do them was to you know, it was
to repair the house, do it up, and I was
going to sell it um. But then strange things started
to happen that I'm sure we'll get into. So that's
(05:25):
how I ended up owning the house. So you didn't
know it was haunted prior to buying it, did you. Well,
I certainly didn't believe that it was haunted, because you know,
I've I've got a great deal of respect for skeptics
and and you know, and rest assured, you know, I
am not in the business of trying to convince anyone
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that the skeptical to believe, you know, in the paranormal
m But you know, so I you know, I was
resolutely skeptical when I bought the house, and so I
know I absolutely didn't believe that it was haunted at
the time, because I didn't really believe in ghosts. Do
you still own it, Richard Bill? I do, yeah, I mean,
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you know, as as a direct consequence of of of
of well, in fact, people started to ask as soon
as they found out that I owned the house. They
started contacting me to say, you know, would you mind
if I go into the house to investigate? And I,
you know, frankly, I thought these people were a bit odd,
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but I said, well, fine, if you can give me,
you know, a few quid to pay for the council tax,
you know, get you know, help yourselves. Sure. But then
they started to you know, started reporting back to me.
I started getting all these emails. I ended up getting
photographs that were absolutely extraordinary. Um you know, which you
(06:54):
know obviously being an app man, my specialism is as
an art director. So you know, I have to, you know,
put my cards on the table and say, if there's
anyone that's capable of of faking a picture or a video,
it would be me. Um but but but but as
a consequence, I can look at pictures and videos and
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know with a high degree of certainty whether they have
been faked or not. Because I can I can study them.
I know, the the amount of detail, attention to detail, equipment, casting, makeup,
all of the things that that you could ordinarily, uh,
you know, try and accuse an image of having mustard
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in order to uh to to to to you know,
to be created. I can look at those pictures and
I can make a you know, a fairly certain, um
uh you know, a very clear assessment of whether or
not they've been faked. And occasionally we get you know,
sort of paradelia images and the like that that are
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that are very obviously you know, just paradolia and note more.
But I started to get all these pictures and videos
as well, and I knew, you know, instinctively knew that
they weren't faked, at which point my sort of spider
censors started tingling. Um. And I've I've sort of ended
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up building a website at thirty East drive dot com
three zero East drive dot com, and now people visit regularly.
In fact, there's people in there every single night of
the week, and it regularly gets a five star review
on on you know, Google and so on and so forth.
So so I still have the house because now I know,
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emphatically know that there is something extremely unique about the
place and that there is there are phenomena occurring in
that house that are, you know, beyond rational explanation, and
Richard tell Us tell us, who is the black Monk
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of Pontifact. Well, there's the commonly accepted story, and then
there's what we think is really the case. The commonly
accepted story, it's more of an urban legend which sprang
up right around the time of the case itself, and
the story goes that there was a monk who was
quite a devious and nasty character, supposedly had sexually assaulted
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a young girl in that area, and once he had
been caught by the locals, had been strung up, and
depending on which version of the story you hear, may
have been thrown down a well or the girl's body
may have been thrown down the well. There are several
variations on this theme, and so it kind of persisted
(09:48):
for many years. But when you dig into the history
of the area, thirty East Drive is built on a battlefield.
Although there were indeed monks in that area, there's not
a shred of evidence to support this idea of a criminal,
you know, foul kind of character, as the black Monk
was supposed to be. So as as Bill and I
talk to more people, we did our research, did some investigation,
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we began to form an entirely different conclusion, which hopefully
we'll talk about as the interviewer. Absolutely now, isn't there
a well under that house at thirty East Drive? You
know there is a well under the house at thirty
East Drive. At least we have eyewitnesses that say it's there.
Called Bill old fashioned, he doesn't really want to dig
up the living room of the house. And also the
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house had joins another house, so it's directly connected, kind
of like a duplex here in the States. So somebody
lives on the other side of that wall as well,
and they experienced parallel phenomena and irregularly too. But we
do have eyewitnesses that many many years ago, as children
saw that well with their own eyes, So at least
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that part of the story seems to have a basis.
In fact, might that well be where they dumped the
body the monk? I don't believe that for a minute,
because who in their right mind if you're a villager
who destroys their own water supply, right, especially with that
kind of a body. Yeah, I mean it's It's a
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great story, isn't it. But a story is all that
we believe it is. When did you decide to write
the book with Bill Well. I'd always wanted to visit
thirty East Drive. It was one of my bucket list locations,
and I'm fortunate enough that I get to travel across
the US in the UK and make several trips like
this each year. And I'd always wanted to see where
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the story went after Colin Wilson stopped telling it, and
like most people, I just assumed it petered out. But
when when the movie came out, there was this massive
resurgence of interest in thirty East Drive, and other paranorial investigators,
guys like Andy Evans had had gone and found that
the house was still paranormally active, and so I contacted
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Bill and I said I would love to come research
this for myself. Now, I'm always very, very wary when
somebody has something to gain from a paranormal project. I
hadn't met Bill in person, and as he says, he's
an ad man, so he kind of had a vested
interest in good publicity for his house. But to his credit,
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he never asked me for a dime, and he turned
over the keys to his property and said, you know,
it's yours for five days. Just write what you find.
So if you get nothing right, nothing, But if something happens,
I would like you to tell the story honestly, which is,
you know, music to the ears of any writer. And
so Bill is really the expert on the most recent happenings.
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That said East Drive, and I realized that I needed
his expertise and experiences there to truly make it a
fleshed out account of what was going on. And it
seemed like a natural partnership. And once I'd determined that
Bill's integrity was beyond question, I was really happy to
start working with him. Great now, Richard, have you ever
spent the night in that house? Oh? Yeah, five of
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them spent, So you stayed there for the five nights.
And would you ever go back again? You know I would,
But it's a strange house. It frightens me, but not
for the reason you might think, George, I'm a child
of the seventies. So Bill has I think, in a
rather bold move, he has the house decorated as it
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would have been during the nineteen sixties and seventies. Hasn't
changed at all. Well, he's gone to great lengths to
evoke that atmosphere. You walk into the house and for me,
I'm instantly five years old again because it looks exactly
like my grandmother's house at that time. It's genuinely creepy.
And I found that that actually caused me a few
a few challenges, if you know what I mean. I
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bet that I was never very comfortable closing my eyes
in that house. And you know, to be rational, I mean,
I'd been preloaded with forty years worth of stories about
the Black Monk. So you have to realize your own
psyche is working against you in cases like this. But
we worked through the night. We researched through the night.
There were some nights when nothing happened at all, of note,
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and there are other days and nights when the strangest
things occurred. So the house will surprise you. It doesn't
perform on cue. You know, you can't walk into that
house for four hours and guarantee that something will happen.
But if you put in the time, it will reward
you pally, not in the way that you'll think. We'll
get into some of those episodes that might have occurred there. Now,
how about you, Bill, have you spent the night in
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your own house? I hear you might night at Absolutely
no way, George, absolutely no way. It's the place. Of
course it intrigues me, but in the same breath it
absolutely terrifies me. It's the unseen George. So it's uh,
you know, we know that there's something in there. It
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can see you. You can't see it all. For the
best part, you can't see it. So and you know,
what's interesting. We might come back to this, But I
used to have a recurring nightmare when I was a kid.
For you know, for several years, I had this this
nightmare where I would go upstairs into this into this
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this sort of this cold, sort of dark house, and
in the top room of this house, there was in
the top on the top floor of this house, there
was a room and inside that room it was a
complete It was a completely black and dark room, no light.
There was a presence taunts me, regularly taunt me, and
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I would wake up screaming, um and uh. It took
me years to get over it. And for me, it's
somewhat ironic that I should end up owning the house
in which, you know, a presence of that ilk resides.
So for me, I have an extra kind of sort
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of fear a factor, and that is the fact that
this is your representative or a real version of a
recurring nightmare. For me, it absolutely terrifies me. Georgia. And
when you're in the house and when it starts getting dark, Bill,
what do you do? Just get out of there? Well,
I've only ever been in the house on my own
a couple of times, and believe it or not, both
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on both of those occasions, you know, some oddness has occurred.
So I'm you know, I will only ever really be
in the house when as other people and I have
been in there after hours. But as I say, there's
always been lots of other people, so there's been busyness things,
you know, there's always been noise and and things that
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would you know, give me a degree of comfort. But
but there's absolutely no way I'm about to spend any
time in that house alone. And I have a great
deal of respect for for for you know, visitors like
Richard who are prepared to go and you know, spend
you know, the sleep upstairs, imagine that. I'm not sure
I could do that either. That's why guy. The first
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time that Bill and I met was at the front
door of the house, and I've flown five thousand miles
to meet Bill, amongst other things. And the first thing
he did when he stepped inside the house was talked
to the ghost and he looked, you know, as if
he's kind of addressed in the sky, and he said, Hey,
it's me. It's Bill, Um listen, okay, I'm here, respectfully.
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I'm just here to show Richard around. Given the keys, okay.
And he was talking as you would to someone you
really don't want to upset, you know, somebody that you
find of. It was genuine fear. And then the following day,
my brother Matthew came to visit. My brother and we
rarely see each other because he's a sergeant in the
British Infantry. Matthew came to the house with my nephew
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and my knees and wasn't going to come inside, but
they bullied him into it, and so he came inside
for ten minutes. And my brother has served in multiple
combat zones. Know, he's the brave and the good looking
one in our family, and he was like a cot
in the hot tin roof. He walked through the house.
He looked around. He said, I don't know how you're
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going to spend the nighthabro. There's something in this house
and it's he felt it. Yeah, and understand too. My
brother is about as down to earth as they come.
He's not fanciful, you know. He doesn't. He doesn't, I think,
get all of the paranormal stuff that I do. I'm
the strange one in the family. But he felt something
in our house and he was out in ten minutes
and does not want to come back. I guess you
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George
Nori with you. Let me introduce our two special guests tonight.
First of all, Richard Estep back with us. He was
last with me about a year ago. First got involved
with paranormal research in nineteen ninety five in the United
Kingdom after attending an overnight investigation at the very infamous
(00:22):
church out there, and he spent the next five years
investigating the haunted hamlets of Great Britain. He co founded
the Boulder County Paranormal Research Group in Colorado with his
wife Laura, after relocating to the United States back in
nineteen ninety nine. Richard, welcome back. I'm looking forward to this.
Thank you George for having me back, and it's a
pleasure to be here. This is going to be exciting.
(00:44):
And then Bill Bungay is with us. He's a movie maker.
Some of his movies include When the Lights Went Out, Nuriv,
Maradonna and the Peapod Movie. He is an ad man.
He founded a B m B which is a top
ten London an England advertising agency that's pretty good. A
published singer songwriter, owner of the most haunted house in
(01:06):
the United Kingdom, which we'll talk about, and Bill was
a skeptic, but the house changed all of that, resulting
him and co authoring the book with Richard called, of course,
The Black Monk of Pontefract. Then Bill, welcome to the
program as well, M George Kademi, Richard and Knemi to
all my American coverings. How did you Tube guys come
(01:27):
across this incredible story of the Black Monk of pont Effect.
Let's start with you. Richard. Well, this was a story
that I'd always grown up with Jordan as a young kid,
right before there were any paranormal TV shows. I would
read every book that I could on the subject from
both sides of the Atlantic, and one of the classics
(01:47):
of the genre was Poltergeist by Colin Wilson, a very
ubiquitous author, and the story of the Black Monk I
remember frightening me from a very early age because you
had all of the component here of a terrifying haunting.
You had this tall, doghooded figure which menaced the family.
And the key thing I think was this didn't take
place in some old manor house or historic castle. I
(02:11):
saw pictures of the house and this was the kind
of place that I lived in. You know, it could
have happened in your house or my house, and that's
when I think it becomes most frightening. Indeed, and Bill,
let let's bring you in. You own the house were
this ghost poltergeist happens to be. How did you end
up finding this house? I do, indeed, George, And it's
(02:36):
interestingly but by the same via the same route as
as Richard. In fact, Colin Wilson's book Poulteist was given
to me a good thirty years ago by by a
work colleague of mine whose mother had had had witnessed
the events directly, the events that happened back in the seventies,
(02:57):
and I ended up I thought that it was such
an interesting story, the idea that a poltergeist moves into
a small we call them council houses in the UK.
It's just like a state kind of assisted at home.
And I just thought it was a fascinating storyline poltergeist
moved into council house because, as Richard says, you know,
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they're normally sort of associated with with you know, big
castles or dark mansion houses, but this one moved into
a tiny home, and I thought, what a great idea
for a movie. So so really all I did was
set about making a movie about the house. But as
a skeptic and subsequently having made the movie, I was
looking being an ad man, I was looking for an
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interesting way to promote, to promote the movie, and it
just so happened that one of my clients was in
Ponty Fract in West Yorkshire, which is in the north
of England, and I went over to the house and
there it was. For the first time, I was visiting this,
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this infamous home, and then I noticed the for sale
sign and discovered that it had been on the market
for four years. It was sat empty, damp, rotting away basically,
and I thought, wow, I could have I could say,
you know, have my premiere in the actual house, you know,
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the movie about the house in the actual house. And
so I bought it, thinking that I would do just that,
and I did. I had a tiny little red carpet
put down this small pavements and two competition winners walked
down the down the red carpet, were led into the
(04:44):
house and they sat and watched the movie. Sadly, nothing
of any great merit occurred that night, which was my suspicion.
I was a skeptic at the time, and sadly, my
brilliant idea fell on deaf ears and barely barely created
(05:05):
a whisper in the media. So I was, you know,
it didn't go to plan um. But as I say,
I was a skeptics, So all I felt that I
needed to do them was to you know, it was
to repair the house, do it up, and I was
going to sell it um. But then strange things started
to happen that I'm sure we'll get into. So that's
(05:25):
how I ended up owning the house. So you didn't
know it was haunted prior to buying it, did you. Well,
I certainly didn't believe that it was haunted, because you know,
I've I've got a great deal of respect for skeptics
and and you know, and rest assured, you know, I
am not in the business of trying to convince anyone
(05:47):
that the skeptical to believe, you know, in the paranormal
m But you know, so I you know, I was
resolutely skeptical when I bought the house, and so I
know I absolutely didn't believe that it was haunted at
the time, because I didn't really believe in ghosts. Do
you still own it, Richard Bill? I do, yeah, I mean,
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you know, as as a direct consequence of of of
of well, in fact, people started to ask as soon
as they found out that I owned the house. They
started contacting me to say, you know, would you mind
if I go into the house to investigate? And I,
you know, frankly, I thought these people were a bit odd,
(06:30):
but I said, well, fine, if you can give me,
you know, a few quid to pay for the council tax,
you know, get you know, help yourselves. Sure. But then
they started to you know, started reporting back to me.
I started getting all these emails. I ended up getting
photographs that were absolutely extraordinary. Um you know, which you
(06:54):
know obviously being an app man, my specialism is as
an art director. So you know, I have to, you know,
put my cards on the table and say, if there's
anyone that's capable of of faking a picture or a video,
it would be me. Um but but but but as
a consequence, I can look at pictures and videos and
(07:15):
know with a high degree of certainty whether they have
been faked or not. Because I can I can study them.
I know, the the amount of detail, attention to detail, equipment, casting, makeup,
all of the things that that you could ordinarily, uh,
you know, try and accuse an image of having mustard
(07:38):
in order to uh to to to to you know,
to be created. I can look at those pictures and
I can make a you know, a fairly certain, um
uh you know, a very clear assessment of whether or
not they've been faked. And occasionally we get you know,
sort of paradelia images and the like that that are
(07:58):
that are very obviously you know, just paradolia and note more.
But I started to get all these pictures and videos
as well, and I knew, you know, instinctively knew that
they weren't faked, at which point my sort of spider
censors started tingling. Um. And I've I've sort of ended
(08:21):
up building a website at thirty East drive dot com
three zero East drive dot com, and now people visit regularly.
In fact, there's people in there every single night of
the week, and it regularly gets a five star review
on on you know, Google and so on and so forth.
So so I still have the house because now I know,
(08:44):
emphatically know that there is something extremely unique about the
place and that there is there are phenomena occurring in
that house that are, you know, beyond rational explanation, and
Richard tell Us tell us, who is the black Monk
(09:06):
of Pontifact. Well, there's the commonly accepted story, and then
there's what we think is really the case. The commonly
accepted story, it's more of an urban legend which sprang
up right around the time of the case itself, and
the story goes that there was a monk who was
quite a devious and nasty character, supposedly had sexually assaulted
(09:28):
a young girl in that area, and once he had
been caught by the locals, had been strung up, and
depending on which version of the story you hear, may
have been thrown down a well or the girl's body
may have been thrown down the well. There are several
variations on this theme, and so it kind of persisted
(09:48):
for many years. But when you dig into the history
of the area, thirty East Drive is built on a battlefield.
Although there were indeed monks in that area, there's not
a shred of evidence to support this idea of a criminal,
you know, foul kind of character, as the black Monk
was supposed to be. So as as Bill and I
talk to more people, we did our research, did some investigation,
(10:11):
we began to form an entirely different conclusion, which hopefully
we'll talk about as the interviewer. Absolutely now, isn't there
a well under that house at thirty East Drive? You
know there is a well under the house at thirty
East Drive. At least we have eyewitnesses that say it's there.
Called Bill old fashioned, he doesn't really want to dig
up the living room of the house. And also the
(10:33):
house had joins another house, so it's directly connected, kind
of like a duplex here in the States. So somebody
lives on the other side of that wall as well,
and they experienced parallel phenomena and irregularly too. But we
do have eyewitnesses that many many years ago, as children
saw that well with their own eyes, So at least
(10:55):
that part of the story seems to have a basis.
In fact, might that well be where they dumped the
body the monk? I don't believe that for a minute,
because who in their right mind if you're a villager
who destroys their own water supply, right, especially with that
kind of a body. Yeah, I mean it's It's a
(11:15):
great story, isn't it. But a story is all that
we believe it is. When did you decide to write
the book with Bill Well. I'd always wanted to visit
thirty East Drive. It was one of my bucket list locations,
and I'm fortunate enough that I get to travel across
the US in the UK and make several trips like
this each year. And I'd always wanted to see where
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the story went after Colin Wilson stopped telling it, and
like most people, I just assumed it petered out. But
when when the movie came out, there was this massive
resurgence of interest in thirty East Drive, and other paranorial investigators,
guys like Andy Evans had had gone and found that
the house was still paranormally active, and so I contacted
(12:01):
Bill and I said I would love to come research
this for myself. Now, I'm always very, very wary when
somebody has something to gain from a paranormal project. I
hadn't met Bill in person, and as he says, he's
an ad man, so he kind of had a vested
interest in good publicity for his house. But to his credit,
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he never asked me for a dime, and he turned
over the keys to his property and said, you know,
it's yours for five days. Just write what you find.
So if you get nothing right, nothing, But if something happens,
I would like you to tell the story honestly, which is,
you know, music to the ears of any writer. And
so Bill is really the expert on the most recent happenings.
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That said East Drive, and I realized that I needed
his expertise and experiences there to truly make it a
fleshed out account of what was going on. And it
seemed like a natural partnership. And once I'd determined that
Bill's integrity was beyond question, I was really happy to
start working with him. Great now, Richard, have you ever
spent the night in that house? Oh? Yeah, five of
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them spent, So you stayed there for the five nights.
And would you ever go back again? You know I would,
But it's a strange house. It frightens me, but not
for the reason you might think, George, I'm a child
of the seventies. So Bill has I think, in a
rather bold move, he has the house decorated as it
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would have been during the nineteen sixties and seventies. Hasn't
changed at all. Well, he's gone to great lengths to
evoke that atmosphere. You walk into the house and for me,
I'm instantly five years old again because it looks exactly
like my grandmother's house at that time. It's genuinely creepy.
And I found that that actually caused me a few
a few challenges, if you know what I mean. I
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bet that I was never very comfortable closing my eyes
in that house. And you know, to be rational, I mean,
I'd been preloaded with forty years worth of stories about
the Black Monk. So you have to realize your own
psyche is working against you in cases like this. But
we worked through the night. We researched through the night.
There were some nights when nothing happened at all, of note,
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and there are other days and nights when the strangest
things occurred. So the house will surprise you. It doesn't
perform on cue. You know, you can't walk into that
house for four hours and guarantee that something will happen.
But if you put in the time, it will reward
you pally, not in the way that you'll think. We'll
get into some of those episodes that might have occurred there. Now,
how about you, Bill, have you spent the night in
(14:31):
your own house? I hear you might night at Absolutely
no way, George, absolutely no way. It's the place. Of
course it intrigues me, but in the same breath it
absolutely terrifies me. It's the unseen George. So it's uh,
you know, we know that there's something in there. It
(14:51):
can see you. You can't see it all. For the
best part, you can't see it. So and you know,
what's interesting. We might come back to this, But I
used to have a recurring nightmare when I was a kid.
For you know, for several years, I had this this
nightmare where I would go upstairs into this into this
(15:12):
this sort of this cold, sort of dark house, and
in the top room of this house, there was in
the top on the top floor of this house, there
was a room and inside that room it was a
complete It was a completely black and dark room, no light.
There was a presence taunts me, regularly taunt me, and
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I would wake up screaming, um and uh. It took
me years to get over it. And for me, it's
somewhat ironic that I should end up owning the house
in which, you know, a presence of that ilk resides.
So for me, I have an extra kind of sort
(15:59):
of fear a factor, and that is the fact that
this is your representative or a real version of a
recurring nightmare. For me, it absolutely terrifies me. Georgia. And
when you're in the house and when it starts getting dark, Bill,
what do you do? Just get out of there? Well,
I've only ever been in the house on my own
a couple of times, and believe it or not, both
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on both of those occasions, you know, some oddness has occurred.
So I'm you know, I will only ever really be
in the house when as other people and I have
been in there after hours. But as I say, there's
always been lots of other people, so there's been busyness things,
you know, there's always been noise and and things that
(16:41):
would you know, give me a degree of comfort. But
but there's absolutely no way I'm about to spend any
time in that house alone. And I have a great
deal of respect for for for you know, visitors like
Richard who are prepared to go and you know, spend
you know, the sleep upstairs, imagine that. I'm not sure
I could do that either. That's why guy. The first
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time that Bill and I met was at the front
door of the house, and I've flown five thousand miles
to meet Bill, amongst other things. And the first thing
he did when he stepped inside the house was talked
to the ghost and he looked, you know, as if
he's kind of addressed in the sky, and he said, Hey,
it's me. It's Bill, Um listen, okay, I'm here, respectfully.
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I'm just here to show Richard around. Given the keys, okay.
And he was talking as you would to someone you
really don't want to upset, you know, somebody that you
find of. It was genuine fear. And then the following day,
my brother Matthew came to visit. My brother and we
rarely see each other because he's a sergeant in the
British Infantry. Matthew came to the house with my nephew
(17:49):
and my knees and wasn't going to come inside, but
they bullied him into it, and so he came inside
for ten minutes. And my brother has served in multiple
combat zones. Know, he's the brave and the good looking
one in our family, and he was like a cot
in the hot tin roof. He walked through the house.
He looked around. He said, I don't know how you're
(18:09):
going to spend the nighthabro. There's something in this house
and it's he felt it. Yeah, and understand too. My
brother is about as down to earth as they come.
He's not fanciful, you know. He doesn't. He doesn't, I think,
get all of the paranormal stuff that I do. I'm
the strange one in the family. But he felt something
in our house and he was out in ten minutes
and does not want to come back. I guess you
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