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March 27, 2025 18 mins

George Noory and author RL Poole discuss the megalith structure called the Coral Castle in Florida, the mystery of how the small man Edward Leedskalnin was able to build the massive structure on his own, and if he could have used magnetism or alien technology to move the giant stones into place.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
you URL poolback with us, author, lecturer, researcher on subjects
ranging from theoretical physics to megalithic structures, as well as
alien abductions. He's appeared on History Channel's hit TV show
The Unexplained with William Shatner. A couple of his books
include The Lead Skolnen Codex, The Key of Lead Skolnen

(00:28):
and also Beneath the Haunted Sky, The Evidence for Alien Abductions.
He is with us on Coast to Coast to talk
about the incredible Coral Castle RL welcome back.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Have you been mister George Nori, the PhD in paranormal himself.
It is an honor to speak with you again. I
am doing very well.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
We miss you, my friend. You're one of the best.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh well, thank you very much. It is always an
honor to be on this program.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
How did you get interested in the leed Skolden Coral
Castle case, which is well over one hundred years old?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
It is the Coral Castle turned a hundred two years
ago and twenty twenty three, and for me, it started
many years ago watching The Castle of Secrets as narrated
by Leonard Nimoy on the show In Search of If

(01:24):
you remember that absolute classic television show. I remember watching
it when I was about nine or ten years old.
And I remember because I was a kind of a
sickly child. I had asthma, and I was the last
kid picked for kickball. And I see this very small

(01:45):
man on TV who was able to do enormous things,
and it always fascinated me, and it made me feel
empowered that it's not about your size, it's about your
intellect that can make up for things. For is this
like the ability to have bruce strength with a high intelligence.

(02:08):
And I realized when I got older, I had heard
about this mystery again, and I thought, oh wow, they
haven't gotten anywhere on this. No one has been able
to plumb the depths of this mystery to any satisfactory result.
And I felt so drawn to this mystery. I felt
like it was calling out to me personally too, that

(02:31):
it was waiting for me. That's how I felt like
this mystery had been waiting for me to investigate it
and to cast an eye and see if I could
contribute something. And now sixteen years later, here we.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Are absolutely Rlis sent us some pictures of Coral Castle
that we've got head coast tocoastam dot com under his name.
Just go take a look at that. It's an incredible story.
How tall was leedskulling it? It's about five to two
to something like that.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
So the again, the anecdotal evidence always reigned supreme. So
he was somewhere I guess between five foot and five
foot four inches tall and weighed approximately one hundred to
one hundred and twenty five pounds. He was a very
short and a very slight man. But they said that
he was very strong and that he was always in

(03:24):
fit shape, and that he seemed to care very much
about that. But he was not a large person. I personally,
I make about two of it.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
And he came from Latvia, didn't he?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
He did? He was He was a person who immigrated
from Latvia. Let's see back in oh I want to
say around nineteen ten, nineteen eleven, somewhere in there, and
he came to America. He traveled across the country. He
worked as a lumberjack in Oregon. He had quite a

(04:02):
life before he ended up settling in Florida and building
the Coral Castle.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
And he built Coral Castle in honor of his girlfriend,
did he not?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well? I think that that case has been reopened, because
when I began my investigation, of course, I knew what
the public wanted, what they wanted the public to know,
which really is nothing. It had to do a lot
with folklore, with anecdotes, with tugging at the heartstrings, that

(04:38):
this was an emotional story. But I realized that this
anecdotal history was easily punctured by someone with an inquisitive mind.
And the more I looked into the available information, the
more I realized it was all dead ends and smoke
screens and love stories. Now I believe that this is

(04:59):
a story, the Agnescuff story. It's a nice romantic story
which may have played well at the time. But what
I've uncovered is that this seems to have very little
to do with other people and everything to do with
astronomy and physics and lost secrets.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Before we get into some of your discoveries, Zrel kind
of describe the folks, the setting of Coral Castle, and too,
those who have not looked at the pictures what it
looks like.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Oral Castle to me, looks very much like a story
book castle that you would want to build for your love.
I think that's why the story sells so well about
the unrequited love aspect of his purpose behind building the
Coral Castle. It looks like a fairy tale. When you

(05:56):
walk inside the courtyard, you are immediately struck by the
east wall, which you will be facing when you walk in,
and you will see these extremely unusual and asymmetrical shapes
that are carved and set along the top of the wall,
and they seem to make no sense whatsoever, and they
have been sitting there for one hundred years waiting for

(06:17):
someone to realize exactly what it was that he left.
When you look to your left as you enter the
courtyard of the core Castle, you will see the north wall.
And the north wall is a single block that weighs
thirty tons George. That is thirty full sized family vehicles
pressed into a block, which he was able to quarry,

(06:42):
lift out of the quarry, move latterly along the ground,
and then set into place with frightening accuracy, just like
the Pyramids of Egypt, by himself, by himself, with no
machinery and no power tools, is this bizarre?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
And he always claimed, Daryl that he knew the secret
of the pyramids, didn't he.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
He was rumored to have said that he knew the
secrets of the pyramids. And he was also witnessed, according
to anecdotal history, that he was seen many times down
at the public library where he appeared to be studying
the Egyptians. And I have a theory about this. I
believe that this part of the story is true. You see,

(07:32):
Edward leeds Goolden built the Coral Castle, and as we
get into it, of course it will be evident that
he left many clues in plain sight. And I believe
that this was in the same tradition as the Egyptian Pyramids.
You see the Egyptian pyramids, they have ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics
all over them, and many of us have no idea

(07:55):
what they are saying. They are in plain sight, but
we have no idea what they mean. And I believe
that it's possible that Edward Leidskalmin taught himself ancient Egyptian
hieroglyphics and discovered the secret on his own, and then
demonstrated that through the building of the choral Castle.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Why did he take the secret to the grave? Why
didn't he just let everybody know?

Speaker 3 (08:22):
You know, someone made a very good post the other
day on my YouTube channel about this, and they said,
who cares not? I said, the little red hen And
if we remember that story, we are talking about other
people who did not want to do their due diligence,
that they did not want to earn what the knowledge.

(08:45):
And Edward leid Skalin was a person who worked very
hard for this knowledge. He worked very hard to build
the Coral Castle, and so I believe, in a sense
of fairness, he did not take the secret with him,
but he built it into the Coral Castle itself, so
that only someone who was willing to work as hard
as he was would be able to get the information

(09:08):
and know the entire secret.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Hence he encoded it, didn't he yes?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
And so that's what I found when I found the
first clue. The first discovery I made was that overlapping
the covers of two of his booklets, Animal Vegetable and
Mineral Life and Magnetic Current, that when you put them together,
they created a schematic. On one he has the Perpetual Motion
holder and on the other booklet just a couple of

(09:36):
wavy lines that don't seem to have a context. And
one day I realized that when you overlap the covers
of these booklets and hold it up to the light,
they fit like a key and a lock, and it
creates an entirely different device than the one previously pictured.
And this was a major revelation and the biggest break

(09:57):
of my career. At that point, I had been a
devout student of Leed Scholman, but I had the idea
that he left secrets behind. But this was the first
one I found. And I have to tell you I
still get excited when I think about the day I
made that discovery.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I bet now what has become of Coral Castle today?
Who owns it? What are they doing with it?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I believe it is owned by a family called the
bar family, and they own it, and it is run
by someone they have hired. And the last time that
I was at the Coral Castle, I have to tell you,
they keep the grounds absolutely immaculate. Every time I go
it looks exactly like the last time I was there.
They go to great links to maintain the Coral Castle

(10:44):
and preserve its beauty. The issue that I have with
some of the people who are at the Coral Castle.
Is they wish to reject my discoveries because it disrupts
their anecdotal folklore that they've been selling, the same story
about Agnes Scuffs and sweet sixteen and unrequited love and

(11:07):
a heartbroken man, and they make this the focus of
the story, when really the focus of the story is
the unbelievable astronomy and physics that he seems to be
demonstrating for us, and that he left this as a
scientific classroom, not as a heartbroken monument.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Might there be an extraterrestrial involvement here.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, I think that there is, but it is maybe
a once removed because I believe the way that the
Egyptians knew how to build the pyramids was that gods
from the sky came and told them how to do it,
and that is their story, not mine. And so if

(11:56):
ed were studying the Egyptians, then default he was learning
from the extraterrestrials. And as a person who is a
lifelong abduction survivor, I am aware that there are certain
species that exist outside of our planet who have a
technical and scientific knowledge that surpasses not only our knowledge

(12:22):
but our imagination. So I believe that this Coral Castle
is the byproduct and a cousin of this knowledge that
he rediscovered, that he built for the modern age, and
then left behind the secrets the way he found them.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
In some areas of Coral Castle echo constellations, star clusters
and things like that, don't they.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yes, So again this is my second big discovery was
the constellation wall. As I said earlier, when you walk
in and you look at the Coral Castle, the very
first thing you will see, you will stare straight ahead
and you will see the east wall, and it has
what they call the Mars Statue, the large crescent moon,
the small crescent moon, and they have all these arbitrary

(13:08):
names that are given to these things. But what I
discovered is there's a method behind this madness. That it
is they match constellations. And in my book The Leads
Calling Codex, I go into great detail to show how
he left a sixteen celestial He left sixteen celestial objects

(13:32):
carved on and in front of the east wall of
the Coloral Castle, and these precisely align with the starmap
of our constellations. And then I realize, well, the only
reason really to make a starmap is to track time.

(13:52):
That's what we've done since the dawn of civilization, right
that we have built things to track time using the stars,
and this was no different. And I realized, if this
is a specific set of celestial alignments, then it points
to a specific time. And so using the alignment that

(14:12):
I had discovered, I had to find a match. So
this is like finding a fingerprint match and a pile
of fingerprints that go back hundreds of years. But I
was able to do it, and making a sixteen point match,
I was able to find that what he carved into
the wall was the date September tenth, nineteen twenty three,

(14:36):
which is the year that he built the Coral Castle.
And you only need a fourteen point match for a
fingerprint to be considered a match in a court of law.
This is a sixteen point match. It is beyond contestation
that this is the date that he intended for us
to know.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Purely remarkable, it really is in how did he do it?

Speaker 3 (15:04):
In my opinion, I believe that the celestial alignments are
yet another clue. You see on September tenth, nineteen twenty three,
it was a very unusual day in astronomy because it
was the day of a total solar eclipse, and it
was also the day of what we call a syzygy,

(15:24):
and this is when three or more celestial objects are
in exact alignment. And on this day we had the
planet Venus and the occultation phase of the Sun, which
is behind Earth, behind the Sun we can't see it.
And then the Sun, and then the Moon and then

(15:44):
the Earth. We have these four celestial objects in a line.
And I realized that this alignment reminded me of something.
And what it reminded me of was the trigger mechanism
for a gas rifle, which is a magnetic type of
weapon that only uses magnetism itself to start the ball rolling. Literally.

(16:09):
And if you look at Mars, I'm sorry, if you
look at Venus, the Sun, the Moon, and the Earth
in a line, and then you look at the trigger mechanism,
which is a ball bearing, a large neodymium magnet, a
ball bearing, and a ball bearing. It is an exact
copy of this idea. And in his book he talks

(16:29):
about the Earth itself is a great big magnet. Now,
that seems to be a very simple way to say that,
but I had never heard it put quite that way.
And so if we extrapolate that that the Earth itself
is a great big magnet, and it is, we have
a north and a south pole, we have a magnetosphere,

(16:50):
we generate electricity from a spin, then we must concede
then that other celestial objects are also giant magnets. And
I believe that the secret of the ancients, in the
secret of Edward Leedskolen, was that he was using the
cosmos itself like a giant machine, where he would wait

(17:12):
until the exact alignment that these tumblers would fall in place,
and this exact alignment would happen, and then he would
be in the right place at the right time when
it did, and he would exploit what appears to be
a type of loophole in physics that can be achieved
if we are doing things at the right time and
in the right place.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Other than Agnes r. L. Did he have any close friends.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
He seemed to have many fond acquaintances. Now I believe
that there was a gentleman by the name of Orviel
Irwin who wrote a book called Mister Kant is Dead,
where he said that he knew Edward Leeds Scolen well,
and that he actually observed his methods and wrote a
book about it. The problem with the book, unfortunately, is

(18:04):
that none of these theories actually work out in real life.
They appeared to be his theories of how Ed did it.
I don't believe that Ed would have let anyone see
how he did this, and this actually started a revolution
of people losing their mystery about the Coral Castle and

(18:25):
embracing the prosaic theory that he did it all with
weights and levers and chains and pulleys.

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