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January 8, 2025 18 mins

George Noory and author Lynne McTaggart discuss the power of the thought to be able to impact matter, her experiments to manipulate leaves and water, and the possibility of sending negative energy towards other people.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Lin McTaggart, back with us as author of a number
of books and as the architect of the Intention experiment,
having conducted them for many years with scientists and groups
small and large, orchestrating group intention to heal people's lives
and make things better. Lenn always a pleasure, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thanks so much, George, It's great to be here with you.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Happy New Year, and to you, may.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
It be filled with joy and abundance.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Likewise, have you been.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I've been just great, very busy working on a new book.
Can't talk about that yet, but it's going to be
a new field like my book The Field, and I've
been working on the biggest Intention experiment I'm ever going
to do. So I've been very excited about that and
working with a number of scientists to really do some thing,

(01:00):
you know, to push the boundaries even more.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
We'll get into this experiment. When's the new book.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Out February twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
All right, so let's make sure we get you back
on to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Okay, great, Thank you, how did.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
You get interested in this entire field.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I segued into this by accident. I am an investigative
reporter by background, and I, you know, spent the first
couple of years of my professional life trying to put
bad guys in jail, and you know, tried to do
a lot of that, broke some baby selling rings, and

(01:40):
was very involved in, you know, in very fact based,
deep investigations, and that never left me. So I wanted
to find out back in the nineties, why things like
spiritual healing work. How can you have a thought and
send it to somebody else make them better? And I

(02:03):
thought it would be a very simple task to find out.
So I started talking to a lot of scientists involved
in consciousness research, and you know, people at prestigious universities
like Princeton and so forth. And what I discovered, to
my amazement, was a completely new science in the making.

(02:26):
Each of these scientists had discovered something really important, like
people like Professor Robert John at Princeton, the Pair Research Center,
and loads of scientists like that who discovered things that
just didn't fit into our current paradigm. So I wrote

(02:46):
that up as a book, The Field, and after that
In my mind, there was unfinished business because a number
of the scientists had done studies showing that thoughts are
an actual something that can affect matter and with the

(03:07):
capacity to change people and things, and so the investigative
reporter in me wanted to find out, well, how far
can we take this, you know, and what are we
really talking about here? Are we talking about tiny subtle
shifts in quantum particles or are we talking about, you know,
cure and cancer with our thoughts. So that's when I

(03:31):
got the idea to do the Intention Experiment. I thought, well,
I know a lot of these scientists working in this area,
and I have a lot of readers out there because
the field was in I think thirty languages by then,
and so I thought, if I just put them together,
I'll have the biggest global lavatory in the world. And
that's when I started. In two thousand and seven, when

(03:52):
I launched my book The Intention Experiment, it was also
an invitation to take part in these experiments, which I
would hold periodically on my website or some other platform.
So it just started from there.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
George, You've done at least forty intention experiments, now, haven't you?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Forty one? And yeah, soon to do forty two. And
those are the actual intention experiments where we've measured the results.
We've also done others where they were just good things
to do, but we weren't measuring what was going on,
like with Gaza in Israel not long ago.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
How did you key in on the scientists you selected
to work with you?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, I started out thinking about First of all, I
had to get somebody who was willing to do what
sounded like a really weird thing, you know, to get
involved in. So I started thinking about scientists who weren't
afraid of pursuing what sounded like an impossible thing. So

(05:01):
I started thinking about people like doctor Gary Schwartz, the
noted psychologist and teacher of medicine at University of Arizona. Now.
Gary has a very classic background. He studied at Harvard
and Yale. He taught both places. Came to Arizona because

(05:23):
he loved he loved the area. But Gary is up
for any kind of study as long as it can
be scientifically measured. He is a true explorer, you know.
He he doesn't mind getting into all kinds of things,
including things like afterlife experiments. So I thought he would

(05:43):
be a really good person to start because we had
no idea what we was doing. We were doing, and
he was also somebody who would I could count on
to really measure this properly. And he had all kinds
of equipment. He had a laboratory for advance is in
consciousness and health, so we had a lot of equipment

(06:03):
at his disposal. So when I approached him, I thought
he was going to say no. I thought he was
going to say you're crazy. But he loved the idea
and so we you know, we stepped out into the
dark with that first experiment.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
You may have been the one to get him into
all of this.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
I probably pushed him to do some other things. But Gary,
by that time, I think, was also doing or in
the process of doing afterlife experiments, so he had pushed
his own boundaries. But we certainly pushed each others as
we as we went along.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Lin, When you started seeing results of the intention experiments,
were you in awe?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
I didn't believe it was going to work, George. Honestly,
I didn't believe it was going to work. I had
convinced my publishers to publish this book which was inviting
people to do this, and I was very far from
certain we were going to get any results. So and

(07:15):
I wanted to do something big and splashy. So I
remember telling Gary, you know, let's do something BIG's you know,
let's cure cancer. And he'd say, let's start with a leaf, Lynn,
and when we've really learned something, we'll move on to seeds.
And what he was basically saying is, let's take baby steps,

(07:37):
because you've never tried this before. People haven't tried this
before getting loads of people spread out around the world
to send an intention at the same time, which is
what we were doing to some selected target. So we
don't know what we're doing. We have to do it
one baby step at a time. We didn't know, for instance,
how long we should do it, do we need a

(07:59):
live target, all of those things. So he kept quoting
me that line from the movie Contact when Jodie Foster
wants to get out there and contact aliens and her
dad always says to her small moves, Ellie's small moves.
And that's what he kept saying to me. We had

(08:20):
to take really small moves. So we truly did start
with a leaf to see if we could change the
light emissions of the leaf, and we were pretty you know,
uncertain what we should do. So we decided to have
two live leaves, leafs with a live feed, and I

(08:44):
would do it in front of an audience of about
seven or eight hundred we had at a conference of
ours in London. And so when we ran this, we
chose one of the leaves. The other one was going
to be the control. And I didn't know how long
we should do this for, and so Gary and I
were kicking it around and we said, well, let's do

(09:04):
it for ten minutes. Because if somebody has never meditated before,
that's about the limit of attention span they probably have.
So we just had everyone hold the same thought for
the same leaf that we were going to make it
glow more, you know, have more light emissions. So we

(09:26):
just gave them glow instructions, you know, make this leaf
glow more. And then afterward Gary put it through special
equipment that could measure every bit of light emissions photon
by photon and count them up. Plus he had he

(09:48):
had you know, photographs of it. He actually had images
of it, and it was so shocking afterward, the two
of them were so different. The one that had the
glow instructions was so much brighter with sending out so
much more light than the other one. The other one
almost looked like it was you know, it had a

(10:10):
neglect effect that Gary kept saying, it looks, you know,
darker than usual. So it was an esoteric type of experiment,
you know, it didn't have any application to real life,
but it showed us we were onto something.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Was it telekinesis, Was it psychokinesis? What was it?

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Well, that's the thing it was, you know, it was
the power of our thoughts, and yes, that is psychokinesis,
the idea of you know, mind over matter. Matter can
be changed by mind, and it's been called lots of things.
We use the term intention because it's nice and neutral,
but yeah, it's about our mind and our thoughts being

(10:58):
able to be trespassed, going out into the world and
affect other things. And this is what we wanted to
demonstrate and prove. And it's why I wanted to use
lots of different scientists so I couldn't be too accused
of bias, and lots of scientists using different types of

(11:22):
equipment so we could look at it from different angles.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Of the forty one Intention experiments. Then that you've done
to date, Has anything ever gone wrong?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Oh yeah, we had four that haven't worked. We've had
thirty seven of the forty one have shown measurable positive
mostly significant effects, and of the ones that haven't worked,
there were technical things that went wrong. So a few
of the initial ones, there were so many people coming

(11:59):
onto my web site. I think the first two ones
that the website crashed. You know, we didn't have enough
server power. So I remember with one of the early
ones we had to hire the server power. This is
way back when before you had things so simply on
the Internet, where you know, there's a lot of server

(12:21):
power and you don't have to worry about this. But
way back then we had to hire the server power
for I think it was the American equivalent of the
X factor, where you know, we had this super I
think it was pop Idol or something way back then
in two thousand and seven, but we had to have

(12:41):
super server power just to take care of all of
the thousands of people coming on all at the same time,
which can easily crash a website if you don't have
enough server power. So that went wrong, and we also
had one time a lab assistant put some water. We
had sent intention to So we had done a really

(13:04):
interesting experiment where we sent intention to water to make
certain seeds grow faster. And they had the jars of
water and they were the lab assistant put them erroneously.
He made a mistake and he put them right near
on an electromagnetic field, and so that seemed to mess

(13:25):
it up. And I think there were one or two
things like that. But in the main the scientists were
really brilliant and people could get on and the things worked.
But we had to use all kinds of help in
the beginning, with webmasters, etc. To make sure that everything

(13:46):
was working technically.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Remember the work of the late doctor Imoto with his
water experiments. For people who may not know who he was.
What he did is he played music next to water
and froze it and then looked under her microscope. And
he played two different types of music, one what we

(14:10):
would call easy listening. The other would be called harsh music.
And the music that was harsh, he would look under
the microscope in the crystal of the water would be discombobulated.
On the music that was pleasant, it would be gorgeous.
That's basically what you're talking about, Lenn, isn't.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
It absolutely, And interestingly enough, doctor Emoto he's passed now,
but he invited me back in twenty ten to do
an experiment on Lake Biwa, which is like the mother
lake of Japan. It has it supplies a lot of

(14:52):
the country with water, but it's very, very polluted. So
he wanted to do a special ceremony there. You know,
too considered himself a messenger of water who talked about
water and the importance of water, and as you said,
did so many experiments showing that our thoughts can affect water.

(15:15):
And that's a really important idea because we're about I
guess about seventy percent water. Plants are about eighty percent
to ninety percent water. So just think about it. If
we are sending negative thoughts out to people, we are

(15:35):
potentially affecting the very water that they're made of. So
with this experiment, he wanted to see if we could
purify water. So we flew to Japan. We had a
special situation where we took we actually got out on

(15:55):
the rocks and took samples of water. And this time
I was working with doctor Constantine Karotkov, who is the
famous Russian physicist who has developed equipment that can measure
changes in water and measure all kinds of things the
state of people's health through complicated equipment that that essentially

(16:19):
is hugely accurate in predicting, for instance, the health of
Olympic athletes and so forth. So he was there too.
We took various samples of water. We had one that
was control and one that would be the one we
sent Intention to. And so I had an audience there

(16:40):
again of about eight hundred nine hundred, and we also
had hooked it up to my audience around the globe,
so they could also send Intention to this one little
jar of water, and we tried to move it one
pH more at least to alkalinity, which means it's more

(17:00):
or it's pure. You know, water should be alkaline, that's
the purest kind of water. So we did. He measured
it immediately afterward, compared it to the control, and we
did it. So it was a really exciting experiment because
it was out of the laboratory and into real life.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Grabbing the line from Spock is the one as important
as the many in these intention experiments.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
You mean the one person or experiment itself.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Can you have one person as powerful as a thousand?

Speaker 3 (17:36):
No, I think a group amplifies the effect, and I've
seen that both with the big intention experiments George and
with the power of eight groups when I shrunk this
down for people to do in little groups of eight
or more, you need a group. Something about a group

(17:57):
amplifies the effect. But more isn't necessarily better. And we
know that because we did one big experiment where we
were trying to make seeds grow faster. And we ran
this experiment six different times, and we had three controls
and one set of target seeds. The scientists never knew

(18:21):
which seeds we were sending attention to, but we had
different sized audiences. So sometimes there were seven hundred, sometimes
it was thousands from my followers around the globe. Sometimes
it was just one hundred. So we ran it, as
I say, in total, six times, and every single time

(18:44):
the target seeds grew significantly higher than all of the controls.

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