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January 15, 2025 18 mins

George Noory and Dr. Christian Cadieux discuss his experiences with paranormal energy in his work as a crime scene cleaner, why he thinks there is a paranormal presence at many crime scenes, and how he deals with grief at the site of traumatic events.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Let me tell you about doctor Christian Kiddrew works at
a crime and trauma scene cleaner's company, cleaning up crime
scenes over a couple decades. We'll talk about that. Christian
studies the relationship between voladil energy and the paranormal and
has a background in public health and environmental sciences. Doctor Christian,

(00:28):
welcome to the program.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
How are you great?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Tell me how did you get involved in crime and
trauma scene cleaning? How did that happen?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
You know, it's an interesting story. I was down south
in the US and I had an opportunity to understand
and forego these types of services. I align myself with
a company at the time that was down in Texas,
and I became more and more familiar with these services,

(01:01):
and essentially I harnessed this type of information, came back
up here to Canada and essentially put it on the
map and decided to execute and work and offer these
types of services to different communities and in different channels
of trade, et cetera. Et cetera up here in the
Great White North, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
And what kind of things do you do? I mean,
do they clean up blood splattered areas, moving bodies? What happens?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, once there's a situation of unfortunate circumstances. Now this
could be from a horrific homicide, to a self infliction,
or perhaps, let's say, to a natural death, a human decomposition.
I'm called in after the situation, of course, has been
released by the appropriate authorities. And what we do is

(01:54):
we decontaminate an environment that is hazardous, dangerous or volatile
to the public and essentially allow people to reoccupy the
environment and make it safe again for humans and pact.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Let's take down that police rope, don't they?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, this is what we do. All abalance, they're completed
their investigation, they send us in to make the situation
better again. Essentially, I make problems go away for different people,
for different agencies and for different organizations.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
And Christian at what point did you start seeing a
correlation between trauma and the paranormal?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh? Wow, Well, what happened was I noticed, after working
so many files that there was continuity and consistency in
regards to different types of elements of energy, certain types
of situations and scenarios, whether it was a high traumatic

(03:00):
situation such as a homicide, or perhaps an accidental death
or an accidental overdose. I noticed that there was the
energy that we would observe from equipment malfunctioning, from electronics,
from different types of volatile scenarios. The energy which was

(03:25):
present and would certainly play a role in these environments,
would sometimes prevent us from doing our work. But at
times it would cause us to observe that there was
something else going on as opposed to the main reason
why we were there. Something in addition, and sometimes it
can be a little overwhelming, and then at times it

(03:48):
gives us a better idea to understand the nature of
the circumstances of what took place.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Is it something you sense, something you feel.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well. Sory issues are certainly are a big part of
what we do. It's like the whole spicy senses. When
your spiny senses are up, usually there's a reason for it.
Whether it's odor, whether it is it's audio. Odor plays
a big part in what we do. It's very big.

(04:21):
It's an overlook. What I've noticed, George, is that it's
an overlooked issue. It's an overlooked sensory that people don't
take serious and they don't hone in on it. And
there's a lot that has to be senterive different types
of odors, whether it is in fact a future faction gas,
whether it's a biological odor, whether it's a chemical order.

(04:41):
But these are the things that we observe and we see.
That also gives us a better idea of what we're
dealing with, both in the present and in what might
be the very distant the not too distant future, in
regards and respect to certain elements of the paranoid well
that may confronted themselves with us.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
When you're on the scene of this circumstance, this tragedy,
whatever it may be, how long do you stay there?

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Well that's a great question. Well, you know what, George,
every situation is unique, entirely unto itself. So if it
is in fact a let's say it's a natural death,
a human decomposition, and let's say the human decomposition the
decease was in a home for a prolonged period of time,
this will certainly this sometimes makes it more complex in

(05:37):
order for us to do what needs to be done.
The decontamination protocol has a very specific way of how
we carry out our services, whether we adhere to the
OSHA regulations or the EPA regulations. But every situation is different.
So for example, a homicide we would treat differently as
opposed to a self infliction and a natural death. A

(05:59):
human decomposition we would certainly treat quite differently than a
homicide or self infliction, but it could very well be
anywhere from a day to upwards of two weeks depending
on the situation.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Again, of course, would you say that there's some type
of paranormal experience with all these cases.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Well, not all the cases, but a lot of the
situations that we deal with that involve a traumatic situation.
For example, as I mentioned previously, a homicide, an accidental death,
or an accidental overdose. We find that if something is abrupt,

(06:42):
and of course there's the situation of the circumstances surrounding it,
of course are quite horrific, then we find I find
over the years that the energy in these particular environments
are more substantial than as opposed to is if they're not.
And there's a lot of common sense here. If someone

(07:06):
died quickly, abruptly someone's life was ended as a result
of a violent crime. Then the energy that I find
in these particular environments, of course, is a lot more
as opposed to a natural death. And this is what
we find, and the activity and the paranormal energy we
find in the correlation. Of course, this brings us into

(07:27):
different types of DNA and the way that the DNA
the trajectory depending on the circumstances, of course, also gives
us a better understanding of the type of paranormal and
it affects the level and the intensity of the different
paranormal energy in these environments.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
And I would guess if you are on some kind
of like a Satanic ritual environment as opposed to just
some accidental tragedy, there's a huge difference in the puranormal approach,
isn't there?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yes, there is, George there most definitely is. We recently,
right before Christmas, we've worked on a file where an
individual was quite involved with the occult and the Satanic Church.
In fact, I can't go into too much detail, of course,
and I'm sure you can appreciate this, but will what

(08:20):
I can say is that there was a really sad
situation an active Satanist who allegedly received orders to self
inflict on Christmas Eve, of all days and of all times.
And what we see is that in these particular scenarios
where Satanic ritualistic practices take place, these environments invite a

(08:49):
pursthora of unwanted energy that we have to deal with,
whether it is our equipment that will malfunction or lights
are This happens all the time, George. The lights will
flicker off and on, and certainly we've had situations and

(09:10):
in the past there were instances where, for example, items
will if there was a crucifix on the wall, now
not necessarily a Satanic environment, but in different environments there
was a crucifix on the wall, it would pop off
the wall if there was. Sometimes there are images that
appear briefly in windows. We notice these types of things

(09:35):
that take place as well. But the Satanic ritual ones
there is your spidery senses will go off and you're
going to feel You're going to feel weird, you're going
to feel awkward, and it's a combination of as if
you know, the feeling that you experienced when you when
you think someone is looking at you or you're being watched.
It's a combination of that that causes the hair on

(09:59):
your arm or the back of your neck to stand up.
And this is what we experience in these types of
situations and scenarios, such as anything that has to do
with the occult or satanic rituals excuse me, the satanic
ritualistic deaths where animals have been sacrificed. Whether it is

(10:20):
in a home or whether it is outdoor in a forest,
in the outdoors, these are the different things that we experience,
and it could certainly be quite displeasant and unpleasant, and
it's awkward working in these environments at times, but it
comes with years of experience in order to understand how
to channel it, how to deal with these things in

(10:43):
order to make what we do become a little easier
for us and our staff, and being able to deal
with it in an appropriate manner.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Do you find that the circumstances in a hospital are
the same as outside or are they different?

Speaker 3 (11:02):
They appear to be a different in the sense that
when something is outside, it's more of a free release.
It's an uncontrolled environment. In a hospital, it's a controlled environment. Indoors,
it's a controlled environment, so there's depending on what the
situation is. It's certainly I find that the activity is

(11:25):
more inside and indoors, because I mean this goes back
to different oxygen levels with energy, whether it's aerobic or anaerobic,
and these certainly plays. This certainly plays a different role
in the type of activity because of the circumstances of

(11:46):
the environment. What's important is that we observe and we
we harness and we take note of course of the
of the environmental conditions. Whether it is in fact a
temperature plays a role in what we do. Electricity plays
a role in what we do, and it certainly has

(12:08):
a correlation with the energy that we are working around
and surrounds us while we're doing what we do.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I would guess some of these areas of activity would
be kind of creepy Christian, wouldn't they?

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yes, they are. Some of them are unpleasant and some
of them are creepy. Some of them are the unsanitary, unhygienic.
There's a great deal of elements of hazardous issues that
are overlooked by many people in what we do. Whether

(12:44):
this particular environment is a squalid environment where someone has
been living in a state of absolute filth, where garbage
has been accumulating for years, or perhaps the individual didn't
flush the toilet for many years and has or has
been defecating and urinating in bottles and pails and is

(13:08):
situated throughout the entire environment. These types of environments, George,
they harness and they hold onto negativity and negative energy.
This is because, for example, someone lives in this type
of environment, it is fair to say that there is
usually a mental health disorder that is associated with these
types of environments. So, with this being said, the negative

(13:31):
energy that these people have lived with, that they've wallowed in,
that they perpetuate from their mental health. Certainly in an
indoor environment such as a home or a condominium, an apartment,
these environments you walk in there and you have the issues,
the risks associated, the health risks associated. But at the

(13:52):
same time, the energy associated is quite prevalent and it's
very noticeable.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I would bet that there are some places you've gone
into you don't want to be there.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yes, there are times where we are in different environments,
myself included of course, because I still go into the
field almost every day. You know, George, a lot of
what I found. Children have a way of changing your
outlook on life. And for example, if a situation involves

(14:30):
a child or children for this matter, it certainly is
a lot more difficult to deal with these environments. In
these situations as opposed to non jong. When I was
before I had my own children and I was in
this industry, I was a rock star. I was a cowboy.
I mean, I could go and deal with a situation
involving a child, a traumatic situation, whether it was where

(14:54):
a child may have been killed or there was an
accidental death, and I could go and compress from the
situation a lot easier than most. Now that I have
my own children, it's more difficult for me to deal
with these types of situations. And truly, George, I encourage
and I don't want to use the word for us,

(15:18):
but I ask our other technicians to go and be
present for these types of files because as a father,
it's not easy to deal with.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
How do you handle grief on the scene, Christian from
the people who are the survivors of the individual.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Oh, that's a great question, George. What I can say
is that I try to keep the issue of what
we do at hand without going into details. We're there
to do a job and the job is to restore
a dangerous environment, whether it's a biological hazard a chemical hazard.

(15:59):
We're there to do we need to do, and I
don't want any type of attachment to the family. And
you know, George, a lot of the times the family
or even neighbors for this matter, they want to come
and talk to us. Oh did you know about miss
Smith or mister Jones? Did you know what they used

(16:21):
to do? And did you know how they used to
live and what they would do? We keep it at bay,
we ask them, politely, certainly, please don't. We're here to
do a job. If we'd rather not know any information
about the deceased, please allow us to do what we
do and to be as efficient and proficient and quickly
so we can certainly restore order and safety, to allow

(16:44):
the family to reoccupy the environment, of course, so that
they can get on with their lives and continue with
what they're doing prior to the situation of the traumatic
scenario or the unfortunate circumstances, but in order for us
to deal with it as best as we can. I
don't want to know anything. We do not want to

(17:04):
know anything about the deceased. We're there to do a job.
Let's keep it at this and we need to move forward.
So what little information we have regarding the deceased and
their family, it's easier for us to continue doing what
we do and allows us to deal with the decompression

(17:25):
of each job and allows us to heal in our
own way. Myself, what I find is quite helpful is
I compartmentalize. And I know some of your listeners are
going to say, oh, that's the wrong thing to do,
and some respect it is. However, I have no other
way of dealing with us at site level and our

(17:48):
technicians at site level, except by compartmentalizing all the images
to the different types of energy and the emotions that
are involved. It's not easy when you have a child
who is with a family member and their loved one
is the one who passed and they want to reoccupy

(18:10):
the environment dealing with this and understanding how to shut
off your emotions. What I can say is that it
comes with years of experience, similar to a law enforcement
officer or a paramedic, or a firefighter, similar to a
funeral director. The best answer I can give you, George,
is that it can I have graduated to this level

(18:34):
based on over two decades of work in this industry
and understanding that we have a job to do. Let's
keep it at this.

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