May 28, 2024 • 16 mins
George Noory and former FBI agent Frank Figliuzzi discuss law enforcement's efforts to track down suspected serial killers who work as long haul truck drivers, and how they kidnap and kill their sex worker victims and move freely around the country.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Man Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
Frank Figlusey. His book is called Long Haul. Will tell
you where you can get it in a moment, Frank,
you highlight on the FBI's Highway Serial Killings initiative. What
caused them to start it?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
A great question. I go into the birth of the
initiative deeply in the book. As is often the case, George,
the FBI responds to a need. They don't necessarily have
that great original idea, but rather sometimes they need to
get slapped about the head and shoulders and dragged to
the law enforcement problem before they've realized they can support it.
(00:42):
In this case, it was Oklahoma. It was a female
crime analyst back in late nineties, late nineties, and she
starts realizing that she's got bodies piling up, young women
from Oklahoma, their bodies turning up in other states. And
(01:03):
there's two, and there's three, and there's four, and in
a manner of months, she's got ten, as she calls them,
her girls, women from Oklahoma turning up dead in other states,
and they are linked to sex trafficking, and she pounds
her fist on the table. This is years ago now,
(01:24):
and it's not necessarily the case in many law enforcement
agencies that the woman crime analyst was given a lot
of credence and she's pounding her fists on the desk
and she's saying, we've got a problem. It's truckers, it's
sex trafficking, it's dead bodies. And finally she was allowed
to have a meeting. She put out a teletype to
law enforcement agencies and homicide detectives across the country, thinking,
(01:48):
if I have a meeting, maybe we'll get I don't
know ten twelve detectives showing up. Well, it was in
the dozens. They showed up and said we have cases
like this too. Invited the FBI and she said you
have to see this meeting. You have to see these cases.
And they showed up and they said, you're right. This
absolutely qualifies as serial killings and you can count us in.
(02:12):
And that was the birth of the FBI's Highway Serial
Killings Initiative. It was never publicly acknowledged until two thousand
and nine when they needed the public help. There were
too many killings and too many unsolved killings to not
enlist the help of the public.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Where were the bodies found? Generally Frank.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So, in order to qualify for the HSK initiative at
the FBI, you've got to meet a couple of standards.
One is, you've got a female victim that's been taken
or last seen from or close proximity to an interstate highway.
And then the dump site has to be the same
(02:55):
close proximity to an interstate highway. If you have those
three things email victim last seen alive at or near
an interstate highway, and dumped at or near an interstate highway,
you've qualified for the initiative. That's and that's where these
bodies are being found. And then you know, I get
(03:15):
deep in the book George into what's called victimology and
then all of the study of the crime scene. So
was the body near water, was she partially clothed or nude?
Was she a shot and or strangled? Was she ripped
before before death or after death? All all of this
goes into connecting the dots within the FBI's database.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You had one story of a police officer who found
a woman in a cab shackled in there with fishhooks.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
This is the case of Robert Van Rhodes and a
state trooper in Casa Grande off It ten between Phoenix
and Tucson. A rig with its hazard light flashing, gets
out of his car, strolls up to the cab of
the truck, and here's a woman screaming inside. She is
(04:11):
literally shackled, naked except for buzzy bathroom slippers, and she
has been kidnapped and would have been the next victim
of Robert Ben Rhodes, who is good for at least
fifty five zero murders, including fourteen year old Regina Walters,
(04:33):
who he took as a hitchhiker outside of Houston, tortured
her for weeks and raped her in times and places
of his choosing, and killed her in an abandoned farmhouse
in Illinois. In fact, Regina Walter's photograph, which is the
last photo of her taken alive by Rhodes, is perhaps
(04:56):
the most ghastly photo I have ever seen. I've seen
a lot in twenty five years in the FBI. Blood, guts, gore,
that's not what this photo is about. She's fully clothed
in this photo, but she's clothed in a black dress
and high heels that he bought and forced her to wear.
He cut her hair short and she is pleading for
(05:20):
her life in this photo. It's one of the worst
photos I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
He even taunted her father, didn't he.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
He had the audacity to anonymously call Regina's father and say,
I made some changes. I cut her hair. And in fact,
you can see in this photo that he did do that.
And you know, the crime scene produced, as is usually
(05:49):
the case, some fantastic forensic evidence in terms of looking
for that signature of the killer, and the FBI agent
who worked in this case said he found that signature
at Regina's dump site, which was that her pubic hair
had been shaven after death.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
After death, when the police officer on the other case
spotted the woman in the cab, Where was Rhodes? How
did they find him?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Roads, Roads has finally been caught. He had a traveling
torture chamber that he had rigged up in his truck
and he was imprisoned. He will die in prison, and
(06:45):
he is not cooperative with law enforcement at all. But
they eventually caught up with him because he had committed
so many crimes that they began to find fingerprints DNA
in common and they and the police eventually caught up
with it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Was a movie called The Vanishing with I believe it
was key for Sutherland.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You remember that one I do remember, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
About a sicker long haul truck driver who abducted his
wife at a convenience store. So these guys are all
over the place.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, it's you know, again, it's a shame because again
we're talking about a tiny fraction of long haul truckers
that are doing this. But if I get deep into
the three subcultures in my book Long Haul Trucking, Sex, trafficking,
victims and crime Analysts, I learn a whole lot about
the unhealthy nature of trucking, and I actually offer some
(07:51):
some changes to be made near the end of the
book at all three of these areas. But the sedentary lifestyle,
the healthy diet. Even in my short time on the road,
you have to work very hard to eat healthy, and
you're unlikely to get that. At the truck stop convenience store,
(08:11):
we did a lot of cooking in the cab. By
the way, the trucker I rode with actually was a
graduate of the Culinary Institute of America, and we had
some We cooked some mighty fine meals right in the
truck that were very healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Do they live in the trucks? Basically? Don't they?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, I mean it's your home. I slept in the
top bunk of the sleeper berth. I won't get into
detail about answering nature's call in the truck.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And you know, I'm an older guy, so the bladder
starts to go and you you're not necessarily stopping time.
Time is everything to a trucker, as they know.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
But I learned a lot. I mean the business side
of things, things like the discounts that trucking companies get
with certain truck stop companies, and you know, whether you're
a TA guy or a love guy at Walmart, the
relationship between truckers and Walmart, and the parking spaces and
the trucker app that tells you that you've got spots
(09:19):
open at a trucks at a truck stop that you
can sleep for the night in, and the free showers
if you're part of the you know, the membership club,
and then what it takes to gas up, and the
multiple tanks and over one thousand dollars filling up and
watching that gauge on the on the tank going. All
of this is in the book. If you're if you're saying,
(09:40):
you know, I'm not really into the serial killing thing,
but I've always wondered what goes on on the highway
and that rig next to me. This book could be
for you as well.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Absolutely. Now, is there a similar profile among these serial killers?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, you know, here's the thing. So the analysts confirmed
that there's two kinds of serial killers, and this does
not change much when you're shifting over to a trucker
serial killer. But the two kinds are generally this. First,
you have the killer who gets off on the power
of life and death. This killer is about controlling the
(10:19):
outcome and that means that he and it's almost always
he is going to take longer to kill and that
you know, we talked about Robert ben Rhoades grabbing Regina
Walters and raping and torturing her for weeks. This is
how this goes. He's a control killer. So they are
(10:40):
going to have sex with the victim. There's going to
be abuse and torture. The second kind of serial killer
is all about the killing. Sex is not a part
of this or a primary reason, they will kill quickly,
and for law enforcement that means you've got to move fast.
The clock is.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Ticking generally, Frank, the victims are who hitchhikers.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
The victims in the vast majority of these cases, George,
are sex trafficking victims. They are being trafficked to truckers.
And during my research, I spoke to women who had
survived violent encounters with truckers. They had fallen into the
(11:26):
trafficking trap. And just as there's commonalities that we're talking
about kinds of serial killers, there are kinds of sex
trafficking and kinds of victims. There's pimp controlled sex trafficking victims.
There's victims called outlaws and victims called renegades. I get
deep into that those two don't work.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
But the are they initially doing this though, because they
want to.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So this varies. But there's a checklist that the experts
have established in terms of street level trafficking, George, And
even as I interviewed some victims, in my head, now
having talked to the experts, I'm starting to check off
that checklist of commonalities, because as different as these women were,
(12:16):
they were the same and here's some of the commonalities.
Early trauma at an early age, often unwanted sexual touching
or worse. Early drug use, often starting with marijuana but
escalating quickly, often through an older sibling or older boyfriends series.
(12:39):
A series of bad boyfriends is very common in this.
And then once they switch to heavy drug use, the
judgment goes out the window and everything is about getting
the next fix and the rationalization of courses. Look, I'm
already having sex. I might as well have sex for money.
(12:59):
And I'm here to tell you if you're thinking your
listeners are thinking, Look, no young lady in my family,
in my neighborhood, in my circle of friends, would ever
fall prey to something like this. You're talking about somebody else.
I'm here to tell you. I interviewed women, white girls
(13:20):
with blue eyes, from the Midwest who went to college.
One woman I interviewed was a preacher's daughter. If you
think it can't happen to your young person, I would urge.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
You to think again.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Generally, then how does the truck driver find.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Them so today, so years ago? And your trucker listeners
will know this if they've been around a long time.
The women would apply their trade, and their pimp would
take them to the truck stop lot and they would
work their trade there and the advertising would start on
(13:58):
the CD radio. This is years ago now, and they
had their own language. You know, anybody looking for commercial
tonight that was sex for money. The truckers would say,
I'm at this stop, I'm in the red house. The
red house is the red truck. This would go on
like this, and quite frankly, the police would either look
the other way or not show up at the truck stop.
(14:20):
The truck stop companies would think, you know, we don't
want to discourage this necessarily, We're not going to get
involved in this. That was years ago. The game has
moved now to online advertising. And I saw this when
I was on the road because I deliberately looked for it.
And you'll see ads by women or by their pimps
(14:41):
that say I am trucker friendly.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I'll come to you.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And this now happens. The transaction has agreed upon online
or on the phone from that advertisement, and the young
lady shows up either at the stop and gets in
the truck, or even more likely these days, it happens
at it's very close by motes or massage parlor where
I think the girl is in even greater danger.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Are they aware of the serial killer truckers?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
So the good news is that the law enforcement and
social services organizations make a great effort to reach out
and tell the young ladies that we've got a killer
in the area. We suspect we have a serial killer
here in our region. And even they distribute flyers with
(15:31):
picture of a truck or.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
What the guy might look like. That's been going.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
On for a few years now, and that meets with
some great success. You'll get some great intelligence from these girls.
But here's the problem. That drug use factor, on top
of mental illness, which if they didn't have when they started,
they sure have after doing this for a while, fear
of their pimp. All of these factors in to the
(15:56):
point where their judgment goes out the windows. So yes,
and they're clean and sober, do they know they're risking
their lives? Yes, when they're looking for that next fix
and they're high on heroin or meth when they're doing
the transaction, are they able to think of that safety
and security?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Man Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
Frank Figlusey. His book is called Long Haul. Will tell
you where you can get it in a moment, Frank,
you highlight on the FBI's Highway Serial Killings initiative. What
caused them to start it?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
A great question. I go into the birth of the
initiative deeply in the book. As is often the case, George,
the FBI responds to a need. They don't necessarily have
that great original idea, but rather sometimes they need to
get slapped about the head and shoulders and dragged to
the law enforcement problem before they've realized they can support it.
(00:42):
In this case, it was Oklahoma. It was a female
crime analyst back in late nineties, late nineties, and she
starts realizing that she's got bodies piling up, young women
from Oklahoma, their bodies turning up in other states. And
(01:03):
there's two, and there's three, and there's four, and in
a manner of months, she's got ten, as she calls them,
her girls, women from Oklahoma turning up dead in other states,
and they are linked to sex trafficking, and she pounds
her fist on the table. This is years ago now,
(01:24):
and it's not necessarily the case in many law enforcement
agencies that the woman crime analyst was given a lot
of credence and she's pounding her fists on the desk
and she's saying, we've got a problem. It's truckers, it's
sex trafficking, it's dead bodies. And finally she was allowed
to have a meeting. She put out a teletype to
law enforcement agencies and homicide detectives across the country, thinking,
(01:48):
if I have a meeting, maybe we'll get I don't
know ten twelve detectives showing up. Well, it was in
the dozens. They showed up and said we have cases
like this too. Invited the FBI and she said you
have to see this meeting. You have to see these cases.
And they showed up and they said, you're right. This
absolutely qualifies as serial killings and you can count us in.
(02:12):
And that was the birth of the FBI's Highway Serial
Killings Initiative. It was never publicly acknowledged until two thousand
and nine when they needed the public help. There were
too many killings and too many unsolved killings to not
enlist the help of the public.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Where were the bodies found? Generally Frank.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So, in order to qualify for the HSK initiative at
the FBI, you've got to meet a couple of standards.
One is, you've got a female victim that's been taken
or last seen from or close proximity to an interstate highway.
And then the dump site has to be the same
(02:55):
close proximity to an interstate highway. If you have those
three things email victim last seen alive at or near
an interstate highway, and dumped at or near an interstate highway,
you've qualified for the initiative. That's and that's where these
bodies are being found. And then you know, I get
(03:15):
deep in the book George into what's called victimology and
then all of the study of the crime scene. So
was the body near water, was she partially clothed or nude?
Was she a shot and or strangled? Was she ripped
before before death or after death? All all of this
goes into connecting the dots within the FBI's database.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You had one story of a police officer who found
a woman in a cab shackled in there with fishhooks.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
This is the case of Robert Van Rhodes and a
state trooper in Casa Grande off It ten between Phoenix
and Tucson. A rig with its hazard light flashing, gets
out of his car, strolls up to the cab of
the truck, and here's a woman screaming inside. She is
(04:11):
literally shackled, naked except for buzzy bathroom slippers, and she
has been kidnapped and would have been the next victim
of Robert Ben Rhodes, who is good for at least
fifty five zero murders, including fourteen year old Regina Walters,
(04:33):
who he took as a hitchhiker outside of Houston, tortured
her for weeks and raped her in times and places
of his choosing, and killed her in an abandoned farmhouse
in Illinois. In fact, Regina Walter's photograph, which is the
last photo of her taken alive by Rhodes, is perhaps
(04:56):
the most ghastly photo I have ever seen. I've seen
a lot in twenty five years in the FBI. Blood, guts, gore,
that's not what this photo is about. She's fully clothed
in this photo, but she's clothed in a black dress
and high heels that he bought and forced her to wear.
He cut her hair short and she is pleading for
(05:20):
her life in this photo. It's one of the worst
photos I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
He even taunted her father, didn't he.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
He had the audacity to anonymously call Regina's father and say,
I made some changes. I cut her hair. And in fact,
you can see in this photo that he did do that.
And you know, the crime scene produced, as is usually
(05:49):
the case, some fantastic forensic evidence in terms of looking
for that signature of the killer, and the FBI agent
who worked in this case said he found that signature
at Regina's dump site, which was that her pubic hair
had been shaven after death.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
After death, when the police officer on the other case
spotted the woman in the cab, Where was Rhodes? How
did they find him?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Roads, Roads has finally been caught. He had a traveling
torture chamber that he had rigged up in his truck
and he was imprisoned. He will die in prison, and
(06:45):
he is not cooperative with law enforcement at all. But
they eventually caught up with him because he had committed
so many crimes that they began to find fingerprints DNA
in common and they and the police eventually caught up
with it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Was a movie called The Vanishing with I believe it
was key for Sutherland.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You remember that one I do remember, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
About a sicker long haul truck driver who abducted his
wife at a convenience store. So these guys are all
over the place.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, it's you know, again, it's a shame because again
we're talking about a tiny fraction of long haul truckers
that are doing this. But if I get deep into
the three subcultures in my book Long Haul Trucking, Sex, trafficking,
victims and crime Analysts, I learn a whole lot about
the unhealthy nature of trucking, and I actually offer some
(07:51):
some changes to be made near the end of the
book at all three of these areas. But the sedentary lifestyle,
the healthy diet. Even in my short time on the road,
you have to work very hard to eat healthy, and
you're unlikely to get that. At the truck stop convenience store,
(08:11):
we did a lot of cooking in the cab. By
the way, the trucker I rode with actually was a
graduate of the Culinary Institute of America, and we had
some We cooked some mighty fine meals right in the
truck that were very healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Do they live in the trucks? Basically? Don't they?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, I mean it's your home. I slept in the
top bunk of the sleeper berth. I won't get into
detail about answering nature's call in the truck.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And you know, I'm an older guy, so the bladder
starts to go and you you're not necessarily stopping time.
Time is everything to a trucker, as they know.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
But I learned a lot. I mean the business side
of things, things like the discounts that trucking companies get
with certain truck stop companies, and you know, whether you're
a TA guy or a love guy at Walmart, the
relationship between truckers and Walmart, and the parking spaces and
the trucker app that tells you that you've got spots
(09:19):
open at a trucks at a truck stop that you
can sleep for the night in, and the free showers
if you're part of the you know, the membership club,
and then what it takes to gas up, and the
multiple tanks and over one thousand dollars filling up and
watching that gauge on the on the tank going. All
of this is in the book. If you're if you're saying,
(09:40):
you know, I'm not really into the serial killing thing,
but I've always wondered what goes on on the highway
and that rig next to me. This book could be
for you as well.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Absolutely. Now, is there a similar profile among these serial killers?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, you know, here's the thing. So the analysts confirmed
that there's two kinds of serial killers, and this does
not change much when you're shifting over to a trucker
serial killer. But the two kinds are generally this. First,
you have the killer who gets off on the power
of life and death. This killer is about controlling the
(10:19):
outcome and that means that he and it's almost always
he is going to take longer to kill and that
you know, we talked about Robert ben Rhoades grabbing Regina
Walters and raping and torturing her for weeks. This is
how this goes. He's a control killer. So they are
(10:40):
going to have sex with the victim. There's going to
be abuse and torture. The second kind of serial killer
is all about the killing. Sex is not a part
of this or a primary reason, they will kill quickly,
and for law enforcement that means you've got to move fast.
The clock is.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Ticking generally, Frank, the victims are who hitchhikers.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
The victims in the vast majority of these cases, George,
are sex trafficking victims. They are being trafficked to truckers.
And during my research, I spoke to women who had
survived violent encounters with truckers. They had fallen into the
(11:26):
trafficking trap. And just as there's commonalities that we're talking
about kinds of serial killers, there are kinds of sex
trafficking and kinds of victims. There's pimp controlled sex trafficking victims.
There's victims called outlaws and victims called renegades. I get
deep into that those two don't work.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
But the are they initially doing this though, because they
want to.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So this varies. But there's a checklist that the experts
have established in terms of street level trafficking, George, And
even as I interviewed some victims, in my head, now
having talked to the experts, I'm starting to check off
that checklist of commonalities, because as different as these women were,
(12:16):
they were the same and here's some of the commonalities.
Early trauma at an early age, often unwanted sexual touching
or worse. Early drug use, often starting with marijuana but
escalating quickly, often through an older sibling or older boyfriends series.
(12:39):
A series of bad boyfriends is very common in this.
And then once they switch to heavy drug use, the
judgment goes out the window and everything is about getting
the next fix and the rationalization of courses. Look, I'm
already having sex. I might as well have sex for money.
(12:59):
And I'm here to tell you if you're thinking your
listeners are thinking, Look, no young lady in my family,
in my neighborhood, in my circle of friends, would ever
fall prey to something like this. You're talking about somebody else.
I'm here to tell you. I interviewed women, white girls
(13:20):
with blue eyes, from the Midwest who went to college.
One woman I interviewed was a preacher's daughter. If you
think it can't happen to your young person, I would urge.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
You to think again.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Generally, then how does the truck driver find.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Them so today, so years ago? And your trucker listeners
will know this if they've been around a long time.
The women would apply their trade, and their pimp would
take them to the truck stop lot and they would
work their trade there and the advertising would start on
(13:58):
the CD radio. This is years ago now, and they
had their own language. You know, anybody looking for commercial
tonight that was sex for money. The truckers would say,
I'm at this stop, I'm in the red house. The
red house is the red truck. This would go on
like this, and quite frankly, the police would either look
the other way or not show up at the truck stop.
(14:20):
The truck stop companies would think, you know, we don't
want to discourage this necessarily, We're not going to get
involved in this. That was years ago. The game has
moved now to online advertising. And I saw this when
I was on the road because I deliberately looked for it.
And you'll see ads by women or by their pimps
(14:41):
that say I am trucker friendly.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I'll come to you.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And this now happens. The transaction has agreed upon online
or on the phone from that advertisement, and the young
lady shows up either at the stop and gets in
the truck, or even more likely these days, it happens
at it's very close by motes or massage parlor where
I think the girl is in even greater danger.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Are they aware of the serial killer truckers?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
So the good news is that the law enforcement and
social services organizations make a great effort to reach out
and tell the young ladies that we've got a killer
in the area. We suspect we have a serial killer
here in our region. And even they distribute flyers with
(15:31):
picture of a truck or.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
What the guy might look like. That's been going.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
On for a few years now, and that meets with
some great success. You'll get some great intelligence from these girls.
But here's the problem. That drug use factor, on top
of mental illness, which if they didn't have when they started,
they sure have after doing this for a while, fear
of their pimp. All of these factors in to the
(15:56):
point where their judgment goes out the windows. So yes,
and they're clean and sober, do they know they're risking
their lives? Yes, when they're looking for that next fix
and they're high on heroin or meth when they're doing
the transaction, are they able to think of that safety
and security?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
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