June 29, 2024 • 18 mins
Guest host Connie Willis and researcher Jeremiah Horstman recount his experiences seeing UFOs in Sedona and around Arizona, watching glowing orbs travel through the desert, and rumors of secret underground military bases and reverse engineered alien technology being tested in the state.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. Hello there, Connie
Willis here with you again. Thanks so much for all
the emails that you send me and all the compliments,
so many nice things. What I've done is I've opened
up my I've made a new website, and in that
website I have put you know, I guess they would
(00:25):
write it down as a testimonial, it's not really testimonials.
It's you guys just writing in. And some of you
I've left your names in there, and some of you
have just got like your last name or your first
name and initial or something like that, because I didn't
know if you wanted your names up there. But you'll
see like a ticker tape go by. If you go
to Connie Willis dot com, you'll see a ticker tape
go by and it says all the nice things that
(00:47):
you guys have left me in emails, and I just,
you know, I could just add so many more. I
thank you. I just cannot thank you enough for that,
and I appreciate it so much. And it's amazing too
that I've put up some of my resume reels. My
whole world is television and film and radio, and you
(01:07):
may have seen me long the years, in the decades
on some show or some infomercial, or some sport activity
on ESPN or speed or on a Disney show or
something you might have And so I put up my Disney,
my different reels, my demo reels, and it's amazing the
response I got from that too, and I thought, well,
(01:27):
they've been up the whole time, but you got to
kind of just really put it out there for people.
And and so thank you for all the things that
you said about those too. Appreciate that makes you feel good,
because you know that's decades ago. So that's at Connie
Willis dot com. Hope you'll sign up for my shows
and take you out on those creepy hotspots like once
(01:47):
before went out to the Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, and
that's where I met Jeremiah Horseman, who's with us tonight,
and Jeremiah is telling us about the surge that's happening
there in Arizona. You know, I want to just say,
because it just sounds so poetic, UFOs over Sedona, but
it's around, you know, it's outside of Sedona as well. Now, Jeremiah,
you were in the middle of a story. So if
(02:10):
you can catch us right back up to that and
keep going.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Sure. Sure. So what we pulled up to this spot
in mind you is it's in the middle of the desert.
Bill Gray Road is just a royal road, dusty and rocky.
We pull up to a random spot and Melinda's quick
to get out and she hands Alexander myself the first
set of night vision. She said, you remember how to
turnings on. Right, she turns and goes to her clients,
(02:35):
and we turn the night vision on. I think Alexander
was a little bit ahead of me. We step off
to the side of the road and Melinda said, look
over there, look over the left shoulder of Black Mountain.
And so we bring our night vision up to our eyes.
And these new night vision sets are incredible. You can
they see so much in a high resolution and at
a great distance you're at first and all of what
(02:56):
you're looking at well, right away we could see a
sprinkle of lights ahead of us. Off to the left
beyond the shoulder a Black Mountain, an area called the
Sycamore Basin, which is a very remote area. It's very
difficult to get to the Sycamore Creek, which is a canyon,
I should say Sycamore Creek goes through the Sycamore Canyon,
(03:19):
which I think it was about twenty seven miles long,
very remote and known for an area to be a
hotspot or big quid sightings. So as we're looking through
the night vision, Alexander goes, oh, my gosh, I see them.
And then I could see as White wrought mine up
what she was looking at. There was a series of
black Hawk helicopters at roughly the same altitude, rather low,
(03:42):
and they were spaced at even intervals, and you could
see them very plainly through the night vision sets. And
she starts counting them out louds twenty one, two three,
and she stopped counting at seventeen seventeen black Hawk helicopters
above the desert. And as she finished counting, Linda said,
that's nothing. That's nothing. There was more than that here
the other night. And we're watching for probably not I
(04:04):
want to say, not even ten minutes, and suddenly, off
to the left of those which would be the south,
at the base of Woodshot Mountain, we see this large
pulsing amber ball of light come up looked electrical. It
was pulsing or arcing in a very electrical way, very bright,
and as you're looking at for the night vision, when
something gets really bright, you get kind of a ring
(04:25):
around it and it's almost blinding. So your instinct just
to take the night vision away from your eyes because
it's so bright. Well, this amber ball of light that
came up off the desert floor low enough that we
couldn't see the exact spot where it came from. We
did just that it powered up, if you will, and
was so bright that I instinctively pulled the goggles away
and then put them back on my on my eyes
(04:48):
a little bit more dim and it got to about
the same altitude as these helicopters. And so we're all
watching it, and again we're kind of I think we're
speaking out loud and saying, oh my gosh, you know,
look at that. And well then day again, I say,
that's nothing, that's nothing. You should have been here the
other night. There were there were dozens of them. There
were so many, and you can.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
See these with the naked eye as well as.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yes, you can see the strobes. There were strobes on
the helicopters. Which you could see with the naked eye. However,
you couldn't see the outline of these black hawks with
the naked eye. You had to have the night vision
up to actually see what they were. But you could
see the strobes without the night vision. Now, the Amra
ball of light was plainly visible without the night vision,
(05:32):
and in the night vision it was almost blinding. In fact,
when it did actually seem to grow in size, there
would be kind of like a distorted ring around it.
And again it seems that you want to take your
eyes away from the night vision so you could get
a better look at it. It was blinding. So we're
watching it, and it gets slowly rises up to a
(05:53):
not a great altitude, but roughly the same altitude that
these helicopters at, and two of the helicopters that were
closest to it broke this formation like some sort of
holding pattern, like they were waiting for something, and they
approach it, and it more or less followed them, or
they followed it, i should say, over Wood Shoot Mountain
(06:14):
to the southwest. And again we're all seeing this. The
two out of state clients of Melinda is seeing it
no surprise to her because she's been watching this in
monuitor Is almost nightly for a long time since September anyways,
and Alexander and I are looking at each other thinking,
oh my gosh, this is incredible. I'm glad we finally
came out, and I think one of the clients were saying, oh, look,
(06:37):
look there's another one. So we put the night vision
back on our brow, and sure enough there was another
one coming up from the camp from the floor of
the basin, and two more helicopters broke formation and followed
that one over would shoot mountain to the southwest. So
we must have stayed there again, I want to say,
for maybe forty more minutes, and the helicopter stay put
(07:00):
as if they were waiting for more. But nothing else
came out, just those two amber balls of light that night,
and Linda looked at her her watch. She said, you know,
we need we need to get back. I'm going to
take my clients back to town. And she was even apologetical,
she said, I'm so sorry there was there was so
much more than that the other night. She said, I
really wish you would have come out. There was a
lot more activity, and you know right away we're just
full of questions for her. I said, you said, this
(07:22):
is this is happening at regular times and she said, yes,
it is almost at exactly the same time. Every night
this activity happens. She said, It's not always a lot,
but lately it had been a lot. She said, so again,
I'm sorry you only saw two and I remember telling you, oh, please,
don't apologize. Getting to see it two and seventeen helicopters
was definitely, you know, And she said, well, you need
(07:46):
to come out more if you can. So we we
packed up, and we laughed. The clients were just beside themselves.
They were ecstatic, and I think I remember one of
them saying, so, you see this type of stuff all
the time, and Melida said, this is all the time,
except this is very unique. This is different because what
we've got now are helicopters will appear to be military helicopters,
(08:08):
and a lot of them nightly seeming to intercept activity
of unknown origins. So is it off world technology? Is
it off for technology that is human piloted? And that
brings us to the most recent investigations that have come
to town that it appears that there is something under
(08:31):
the Sycamore basin, and there has been for some time.
We've even met some whistleblowers as of recent, three as
of recent who were well aware that there is something
under the basin out there, and it does now appear
to be This is a rumor. When I first moved
to town. It was actually a rumor before I got
here that there was some sort of underground bases in
(08:52):
the area, even under the brads Are Ranch. And when
I first heard that when I moved here, I laughed
at it. I thought it was silly. Well, I'm not
laughing anymore, because there's plenty of evidence, especially as of recent,
some of which I can't mention yet because of the
most recent crew that was here on some unearthed being
an understatement, some really good evidence that there is something
(09:15):
very complex under the ground in the Sedona area, particularly
to the northwest in the Sycamore Basin. But getting back
to these ambling as of light.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
But wait a minute, hold on, hold on, urge, So
you can't tell us something, what's what's that about? What's
going on?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
We had been contacted by a organization that's putting together
a very well funded investigation into military underground installations and
if not military underground installations. They are very likely be
private contracted companies that are doing R and D. In
(09:53):
R and D, of course, is research and development, and
the research and development as it is gold out by
the government to private companies such as skunk Works is
a good example, and skunk Works is actually one of
the ones that's here. They'll take companies that engineer certain
types of craft propulsion units, or maybe it's the alloys
(10:18):
that make the composition of a fuselage of a certain
type of craft, or it's the optics that are a craft.
Those types of companies that are contracted by the federal
government are out here in the desert, not unlike what's
under Groom Lake, except that the Groom Lake facility or
area that you want is far more well known. Whatever
if there is a name for what's out here under
(10:40):
the Sedona area is more or less unknown, except for
the people who have been unfortunate enough to be out
in the wrong place at the wrong time and run
into the private military contractors who deploy at night to
guard the certain areas where these tests are being done.
And so one of the very strong theories is that
(11:01):
some of not all, but some of the activity that's
coming up off the ground out there that is anomalous.
We can explain what it is, may well be human piloted,
either captured alien craft, off world craft, or uh, something
that's been reverse engineered to operate similar to off world technology.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, I want to I want to I want to
ask you about that. Do you think so when you
say in what you just said, my thought as you're
describing this with the black helicopters, I mean, they could
just as easily be exactly what you just said. You know,
they're they're testing these, they're you know, it's it's technology
(11:44):
that we've picked up ourselves from them or whatever it
might be. The black helicopters also sound as though they
could be us, and and we're what we're testing and
what we're watching. We've got the cameras on them, and
the black helicopters are filming all of this and recording
all of this and you know, just making sure everything's
(12:08):
on course and what's going on and right. I mean, absolutely,
that's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking with all
the black helicopters. So when everybody, you know, some people
will immediately go to, oh my goodness, men in black aliens.
This and that. And I'm not saying that's not the case,
but I could just as easily be military testing out
what they've got.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Absolutely absolutely. In fact, we met since my last since
you were here in Sonona, we met a whistleblower, lieutenant
colonel in the Army I should say former. He's retired,
thirty three years in the service, and he kind of
surprised us. I thought we were about to be threatened again,
because we've been threatened twice in the time that we've
been investigating this particular issue. And we were at all
(12:51):
places at Raja Ranch and the man approached us there
and he had night vision set around his neck. I
walked up as he said, are you that found the tunnel?
And I said, yeah, why, And my heart just sank
because I thought we're just about we're gonna get threatened again.
And this man, I guess could see the fear in
my face. He said, relax, he said, I'm thirty three
(13:14):
years in the in the US Army, retired, don't worry.
So I just want to talk to you about that.
And so we ended up talking to this man for
about two hours, maybe a little bit longer. And this
is right at Ratchal ranch, and he at first wanted
to make sure that I could establish that he was legitimate.
So he talked about his career and said, if you
want to check it out, check it out. I got
(13:35):
thirty three years in the army. It's legitimate. And he
said I actually worked at a post north of Pier
and he wouldn't name the post, and he said, now
when it comes to tunnels, he said, the post that
I was working at that I was commanding, had a
line and this line went from my post here in
Arizona to a line and a similar latitude in New Mexico.
(13:57):
He said it was very fast. He said I had
to go back and forth between these two posts all
the time. And I interrupted, I said, okay, sir, do
you mean by a line and underground tunnel? Correct the
su Yes, he said, I use it all the time
to go back to and forth. It's going to post
in New Mexico and my post here in Arizona. And
again he wouldn't name the post, but he warned us.
He said, you know what with what I've been talking about,
(14:19):
He said, you realize these areas you've gone into. He said,
there were fences where they're not I said, there were.
He said, what made you go over the fences that
you went over, and I said, paranormal activity. We've been
investigating a lot of paranormal activity in these areas. The
same areas behind these fences are areas where people have
seen lights coming up. In fact, we have seen some
of the lights coming up, and the fences were rather annoyance.
(14:40):
We were trying to get into these areas. I couldn't
see any reason why there were fences there. In some
cases there were signs of the fences. In some cases
there weren't. Where there were signs, they were rather menacing
in their vocabulary, if you will, it threatening that they were,
you know, it's government fences regularly patrolled, and so on
those ones we did cross. The ones that didn't have
(15:03):
signs on them, we did cross. And getting into some
of these areas, we couldn't figure out why they were
fenced off. There was nothing in there. There was no
antiquity that you would think that somebody was trying to protect,
you know, in regards to the Native American dwellings and
shuts they're in the area. We just couldn't figure it out.
So we would get beyond those areas and find empty canyons.
(15:24):
On occasion we did find pictographs or petroglyss, but we
were really kind of wondering what these confounded defenses were
all about, and we ran into a lot of them
over the years, and then we finally were threatened after
going into one place six times. A man who had
a department of defense, id Badge, confronted me about going
(15:44):
into them and he said, look, I know what you've
been doing in there. I know where you've been and
how many times you've been there. He seemed to want
to establish the fact that he was very certain of
who we were and what we had done, and he said, I,
you know, you need to leave it alone and stay
out of there, and the photographs you took to delete
and forget about it. Just leave it alone. I tried
to question them as to what was beyond defenses, and
(16:06):
he just kept saying leave it alone, Leave alone. So
I told im, I said, well, that's that's that we're
going across Frenchies for a while because I don't want
to get shot at and I don't want to you
want of these people that turns up missing in this area,
because we do have a lot of missing persons cases
at the Canyons area northwest of here.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And and by the way, when when we were when
I was there with you, you when we first went
into branch All Ranch, you lifted up the gate a
fence for me. I couldn't believe it. I was like, Oh, okay,
is this okay to go into before you get into
it any deeper? So the tunnels are lines? You found
(16:44):
a tunnel, yes, And when he said he would go
from this post to that book post through the lines
the tunnels, yes, was he like gone some was there
like a subway down? There? Was there some vehicle that
took him or was he just walking on just some.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Foot He didn't define it, but it seemed like what
he was referring to was something like one of those maglevs,
which is a faster like a bullet train. So that's
very fast. Wow, he said the post here in the
post in New Mexico within a very short period of time.
So I believe what he was referring to was some
sort of mag leb and uh. He was a very
(17:21):
He actually turned out to be a very nice man.
He was very matter of fact, but he also gave
a warning. He pointed it a map he had and
the map that he had had boundaries on it, and
the boundaries that were on it were marking areas where
there were fences where Alexander and I were familiar having
chumped these fences where they were. They said, you've been
in here, have it you? And I said yes. He
said you've been in here, have it you? And I
(17:42):
said yes, and he laughed. He said, you know that
these these people aren't down by much in the way
of an r oe like we were now the rules
of a dazement. I said, is it the army that's
out there in the basin and under this area? He said,
absolutely not. It's not the US army. He said, if
there was, I would know it. And so that was
That was one person coming forward. I'll call this man
a whishleblower.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. Hello there, Connie
Willis here with you again. Thanks so much for all
the emails that you send me and all the compliments,
so many nice things. What I've done is I've opened
up my I've made a new website, and in that
website I have put you know, I guess they would
(00:25):
write it down as a testimonial, it's not really testimonials.
It's you guys just writing in. And some of you
I've left your names in there, and some of you
have just got like your last name or your first
name and initial or something like that, because I didn't
know if you wanted your names up there. But you'll
see like a ticker tape go by. If you go
to Connie Willis dot com, you'll see a ticker tape
go by and it says all the nice things that
(00:47):
you guys have left me in emails, and I just,
you know, I could just add so many more. I
thank you. I just cannot thank you enough for that,
and I appreciate it so much. And it's amazing too
that I've put up some of my resume reels. My
whole world is television and film and radio, and you
(01:07):
may have seen me long the years, in the decades
on some show or some infomercial, or some sport activity
on ESPN or speed or on a Disney show or
something you might have And so I put up my Disney,
my different reels, my demo reels, and it's amazing the
response I got from that too, and I thought, well,
(01:27):
they've been up the whole time, but you got to
kind of just really put it out there for people.
And and so thank you for all the things that
you said about those too. Appreciate that makes you feel good,
because you know that's decades ago. So that's at Connie
Willis dot com. Hope you'll sign up for my shows
and take you out on those creepy hotspots like once
(01:47):
before went out to the Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, and
that's where I met Jeremiah Horseman, who's with us tonight,
and Jeremiah is telling us about the surge that's happening
there in Arizona. You know, I want to just say,
because it just sounds so poetic, UFOs over Sedona, but
it's around, you know, it's outside of Sedona as well. Now, Jeremiah,
you were in the middle of a story. So if
(02:10):
you can catch us right back up to that and
keep going.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Sure. Sure. So what we pulled up to this spot
in mind you is it's in the middle of the desert.
Bill Gray Road is just a royal road, dusty and rocky.
We pull up to a random spot and Melinda's quick
to get out and she hands Alexander myself the first
set of night vision. She said, you remember how to
turnings on. Right, she turns and goes to her clients,
(02:35):
and we turn the night vision on. I think Alexander
was a little bit ahead of me. We step off
to the side of the road and Melinda said, look
over there, look over the left shoulder of Black Mountain.
And so we bring our night vision up to our eyes.
And these new night vision sets are incredible. You can
they see so much in a high resolution and at
a great distance you're at first and all of what
(02:56):
you're looking at well, right away we could see a
sprinkle of lights ahead of us. Off to the left
beyond the shoulder a Black Mountain, an area called the
Sycamore Basin, which is a very remote area. It's very
difficult to get to the Sycamore Creek, which is a canyon,
I should say Sycamore Creek goes through the Sycamore Canyon,
(03:19):
which I think it was about twenty seven miles long,
very remote and known for an area to be a
hotspot or big quid sightings. So as we're looking through
the night vision, Alexander goes, oh, my gosh, I see them.
And then I could see as White wrought mine up
what she was looking at. There was a series of
black Hawk helicopters at roughly the same altitude, rather low,
(03:42):
and they were spaced at even intervals, and you could
see them very plainly through the night vision sets. And
she starts counting them out louds twenty one, two three,
and she stopped counting at seventeen seventeen black Hawk helicopters
above the desert. And as she finished counting, Linda said,
that's nothing. That's nothing. There was more than that here
the other night. And we're watching for probably not I
(04:04):
want to say, not even ten minutes, and suddenly, off
to the left of those which would be the south,
at the base of Woodshot Mountain, we see this large
pulsing amber ball of light come up looked electrical. It
was pulsing or arcing in a very electrical way, very bright,
and as you're looking at for the night vision, when
something gets really bright, you get kind of a ring
(04:25):
around it and it's almost blinding. So your instinct just
to take the night vision away from your eyes because
it's so bright. Well, this amber ball of light that
came up off the desert floor low enough that we
couldn't see the exact spot where it came from. We
did just that it powered up, if you will, and
was so bright that I instinctively pulled the goggles away
and then put them back on my on my eyes
(04:48):
a little bit more dim and it got to about
the same altitude as these helicopters. And so we're all
watching it, and again we're kind of I think we're
speaking out loud and saying, oh my gosh, you know,
look at that. And well then day again, I say,
that's nothing, that's nothing. You should have been here the
other night. There were there were dozens of them. There
were so many, and you can.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
See these with the naked eye as well as.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yes, you can see the strobes. There were strobes on
the helicopters. Which you could see with the naked eye. However,
you couldn't see the outline of these black hawks with
the naked eye. You had to have the night vision
up to actually see what they were. But you could
see the strobes without the night vision. Now, the Amra
ball of light was plainly visible without the night vision,
(05:32):
and in the night vision it was almost blinding. In fact,
when it did actually seem to grow in size, there
would be kind of like a distorted ring around it.
And again it seems that you want to take your
eyes away from the night vision so you could get
a better look at it. It was blinding. So we're
watching it, and it gets slowly rises up to a
(05:53):
not a great altitude, but roughly the same altitude that
these helicopters at, and two of the helicopters that were
closest to it broke this formation like some sort of
holding pattern, like they were waiting for something, and they
approach it, and it more or less followed them, or
they followed it, i should say, over Wood Shoot Mountain
(06:14):
to the southwest. And again we're all seeing this. The
two out of state clients of Melinda is seeing it
no surprise to her because she's been watching this in
monuitor Is almost nightly for a long time since September anyways,
and Alexander and I are looking at each other thinking,
oh my gosh, this is incredible. I'm glad we finally
came out, and I think one of the clients were saying, oh, look,
(06:37):
look there's another one. So we put the night vision
back on our brow, and sure enough there was another
one coming up from the camp from the floor of
the basin, and two more helicopters broke formation and followed
that one over would shoot mountain to the southwest. So
we must have stayed there again, I want to say,
for maybe forty more minutes, and the helicopter stay put
(07:00):
as if they were waiting for more. But nothing else
came out, just those two amber balls of light that night,
and Linda looked at her her watch. She said, you know,
we need we need to get back. I'm going to
take my clients back to town. And she was even apologetical,
she said, I'm so sorry there was there was so
much more than that the other night. She said, I
really wish you would have come out. There was a
lot more activity, and you know right away we're just
full of questions for her. I said, you said, this
(07:22):
is this is happening at regular times and she said, yes,
it is almost at exactly the same time. Every night
this activity happens. She said, It's not always a lot,
but lately it had been a lot. She said, so again,
I'm sorry you only saw two and I remember telling you, oh, please,
don't apologize. Getting to see it two and seventeen helicopters
was definitely, you know, And she said, well, you need
(07:46):
to come out more if you can. So we we
packed up, and we laughed. The clients were just beside themselves.
They were ecstatic, and I think I remember one of
them saying, so, you see this type of stuff all
the time, and Melida said, this is all the time,
except this is very unique. This is different because what
we've got now are helicopters will appear to be military helicopters,
(08:08):
and a lot of them nightly seeming to intercept activity
of unknown origins. So is it off world technology? Is
it off for technology that is human piloted? And that
brings us to the most recent investigations that have come
to town that it appears that there is something under
(08:31):
the Sycamore basin, and there has been for some time.
We've even met some whistleblowers as of recent, three as
of recent who were well aware that there is something
under the basin out there, and it does now appear
to be This is a rumor. When I first moved
to town. It was actually a rumor before I got
here that there was some sort of underground bases in
(08:52):
the area, even under the brads Are Ranch. And when
I first heard that when I moved here, I laughed
at it. I thought it was silly. Well, I'm not
laughing anymore, because there's plenty of evidence, especially as of recent,
some of which I can't mention yet because of the
most recent crew that was here on some unearthed being
an understatement, some really good evidence that there is something
(09:15):
very complex under the ground in the Sedona area, particularly
to the northwest in the Sycamore Basin. But getting back
to these ambling as of light.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
But wait a minute, hold on, hold on, urge, So
you can't tell us something, what's what's that about? What's
going on?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
We had been contacted by a organization that's putting together
a very well funded investigation into military underground installations and
if not military underground installations. They are very likely be
private contracted companies that are doing R and D. In
(09:53):
R and D, of course, is research and development, and
the research and development as it is gold out by
the government to private companies such as skunk Works is
a good example, and skunk Works is actually one of
the ones that's here. They'll take companies that engineer certain
types of craft propulsion units, or maybe it's the alloys
(10:18):
that make the composition of a fuselage of a certain
type of craft, or it's the optics that are a craft.
Those types of companies that are contracted by the federal
government are out here in the desert, not unlike what's
under Groom Lake, except that the Groom Lake facility or
area that you want is far more well known. Whatever
if there is a name for what's out here under
(10:40):
the Sedona area is more or less unknown, except for
the people who have been unfortunate enough to be out
in the wrong place at the wrong time and run
into the private military contractors who deploy at night to
guard the certain areas where these tests are being done.
And so one of the very strong theories is that
(11:01):
some of not all, but some of the activity that's
coming up off the ground out there that is anomalous.
We can explain what it is, may well be human piloted,
either captured alien craft, off world craft, or uh, something
that's been reverse engineered to operate similar to off world technology.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, I want to I want to I want to
ask you about that. Do you think so when you
say in what you just said, my thought as you're
describing this with the black helicopters, I mean, they could
just as easily be exactly what you just said. You know,
they're they're testing these, they're you know, it's it's technology
(11:44):
that we've picked up ourselves from them or whatever it
might be. The black helicopters also sound as though they
could be us, and and we're what we're testing and
what we're watching. We've got the cameras on them, and
the black helicopters are filming all of this and recording
all of this and you know, just making sure everything's
(12:08):
on course and what's going on and right. I mean, absolutely,
that's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking with all
the black helicopters. So when everybody, you know, some people
will immediately go to, oh my goodness, men in black aliens.
This and that. And I'm not saying that's not the case,
but I could just as easily be military testing out
what they've got.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Absolutely absolutely. In fact, we met since my last since
you were here in Sonona, we met a whistleblower, lieutenant
colonel in the Army I should say former. He's retired,
thirty three years in the service, and he kind of
surprised us. I thought we were about to be threatened again,
because we've been threatened twice in the time that we've
been investigating this particular issue. And we were at all
(12:51):
places at Raja Ranch and the man approached us there
and he had night vision set around his neck. I
walked up as he said, are you that found the tunnel?
And I said, yeah, why, And my heart just sank
because I thought we're just about we're gonna get threatened again.
And this man, I guess could see the fear in
my face. He said, relax, he said, I'm thirty three
(13:14):
years in the in the US Army, retired, don't worry.
So I just want to talk to you about that.
And so we ended up talking to this man for
about two hours, maybe a little bit longer. And this
is right at Ratchal ranch, and he at first wanted
to make sure that I could establish that he was legitimate.
So he talked about his career and said, if you
want to check it out, check it out. I got
(13:35):
thirty three years in the army. It's legitimate. And he
said I actually worked at a post north of Pier
and he wouldn't name the post, and he said, now
when it comes to tunnels, he said, the post that
I was working at that I was commanding, had a
line and this line went from my post here in
Arizona to a line and a similar latitude in New Mexico.
(13:57):
He said it was very fast. He said I had
to go back and forth between these two posts all
the time. And I interrupted, I said, okay, sir, do
you mean by a line and underground tunnel? Correct the
su Yes, he said, I use it all the time
to go back to and forth. It's going to post
in New Mexico and my post here in Arizona. And
again he wouldn't name the post, but he warned us.
He said, you know what with what I've been talking about,
(14:19):
He said, you realize these areas you've gone into. He said,
there were fences where they're not I said, there were.
He said, what made you go over the fences that
you went over, and I said, paranormal activity. We've been
investigating a lot of paranormal activity in these areas. The
same areas behind these fences are areas where people have
seen lights coming up. In fact, we have seen some
of the lights coming up, and the fences were rather annoyance.
(14:40):
We were trying to get into these areas. I couldn't
see any reason why there were fences there. In some
cases there were signs of the fences. In some cases
there weren't. Where there were signs, they were rather menacing
in their vocabulary, if you will, it threatening that they were,
you know, it's government fences regularly patrolled, and so on
those ones we did cross. The ones that didn't have
(15:03):
signs on them, we did cross. And getting into some
of these areas, we couldn't figure out why they were
fenced off. There was nothing in there. There was no
antiquity that you would think that somebody was trying to protect,
you know, in regards to the Native American dwellings and
shuts they're in the area. We just couldn't figure it out.
So we would get beyond those areas and find empty canyons.
(15:24):
On occasion we did find pictographs or petroglyss, but we
were really kind of wondering what these confounded defenses were
all about, and we ran into a lot of them
over the years, and then we finally were threatened after
going into one place six times. A man who had
a department of defense, id Badge, confronted me about going
(15:44):
into them and he said, look, I know what you've
been doing in there. I know where you've been and
how many times you've been there. He seemed to want
to establish the fact that he was very certain of
who we were and what we had done, and he said, I,
you know, you need to leave it alone and stay
out of there, and the photographs you took to delete
and forget about it. Just leave it alone. I tried
to question them as to what was beyond defenses, and
(16:06):
he just kept saying leave it alone, Leave alone. So
I told im, I said, well, that's that's that we're
going across Frenchies for a while because I don't want
to get shot at and I don't want to you
want of these people that turns up missing in this area,
because we do have a lot of missing persons cases
at the Canyons area northwest of here.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And and by the way, when when we were when
I was there with you, you when we first went
into branch All Ranch, you lifted up the gate a
fence for me. I couldn't believe it. I was like, Oh, okay,
is this okay to go into before you get into
it any deeper? So the tunnels are lines? You found
(16:44):
a tunnel, yes, And when he said he would go
from this post to that book post through the lines
the tunnels, yes, was he like gone some was there
like a subway down? There? Was there some vehicle that
took him or was he just walking on just some.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Foot He didn't define it, but it seemed like what
he was referring to was something like one of those maglevs,
which is a faster like a bullet train. So that's
very fast. Wow, he said the post here in the
post in New Mexico within a very short period of time.
So I believe what he was referring to was some
sort of mag leb and uh. He was a very
(17:21):
He actually turned out to be a very nice man.
He was very matter of fact, but he also gave
a warning. He pointed it a map he had and
the map that he had had boundaries on it, and
the boundaries that were on it were marking areas where
there were fences where Alexander and I were familiar having
chumped these fences where they were. They said, you've been
in here, have it you? And I said yes. He
said you've been in here, have it you? And I
(17:42):
said yes, and he laughed. He said, you know that
these these people aren't down by much in the way
of an r oe like we were now the rules
of a dazement. I said, is it the army that's
out there in the basin and under this area? He said,
absolutely not. It's not the US army. He said, if
there was, I would know it. And so that was
That was one person coming forward. I'll call this man
a whishleblower.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
The Best of Coast to Coast AM News
Host
George Noory
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Intentionally Disturbing
Join me on this podcast as I navigate the murky waters of human behavior, current events, and personal anecdotes through in-depth interviews with incredible people—all served with a generous helping of sarcasm and satire. After years as a forensic and clinical psychologist, I offer a unique interview style and a low tolerance for bullshit, quickly steering conversations toward depth and darkness. I honor the seriousness while also appreciating wit. I’m your guide through the twisted labyrinth of the human psyche, armed with dark humor and biting wit.