November 18, 2020 • 19 mins
George Noory and practicing witch Sal Santoro discuss his extensive career casting spells, why people mistakenly believe that all magic is evil, and using traditional witchcraft and spells to make change in your life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori
with you. Let me tell you about our guest, Sal Santoro,
co owner of The Crooked Path, which is a traditional
witchcraft shop located in Burbank, California. With more than thirty
years of experience, Sala's practice various occult systems has given
(00:20):
him the ability to combine these structures and systems for
practical ritual magic. His studies include traditional witchcraft, ceremonial magic,
planetary magic, voodoo, and spellcraft. Sal sees what he does
as math and no matter which religion you identify with,
you can always use your will to manifest change. Sal
(00:42):
Santoro on Coast to Coast, Sal, welcome to the program. Wow,
thank you very much, George. How are you doing to
make good? I'm looking forward to this. How did you
get involved in witchcraft and things like that? I grew
up back in New England and I found stereotypic. Well
you think of New England and witchcraft, but it really wasn't.
(01:02):
I grew up in the woods of New Hampshire and
one of my really dear friends and I both got
involved in about nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty, so
that would have put me in about fifteen years old,
and I just became really, you know, really into it
and I just wanted to know. I wanted more knowledge,
(01:23):
as much as I could get. And of course this
is pre Internet, so you know, I did what I
could and try to find what I you know, could
find out there in my limited abilities with like the
public library in New Hampshire or whatever. And by nineteen
eighty five I moved to Los Angeles, California. And when
I moved to Los Angeles, it changed my life because
(01:46):
everything was available to me right there, and it started,
you know. I did my first internship in a Year
in a Day was a Wiccan group called the Druidic
Craft of the Wise have been in nineteen eighty nine
with a woman named Judith Defrayne, and I learned with them.
(02:07):
After that went on, I moved on to my second group,
and it was more along the Gardenerian tradition, still Wicca,
and I did a Year in a Day with that
group as well. And after that time I moved forward
and I joined the Golden Dawn, which is a ceremonial
(02:27):
magical order. I'm sure you know that, but you know
some some people don't. And it's an esoteric order that
is based kind of like combinations of the backgrounds of
some Rosicrucian work as well as connected to the Masonic lodges,
and it was it was first developed around eighteen sixty
(02:49):
in Britain, and that was where the first order started,
and it brought out people like Alistair Crowley, McGregor, Mathers,
Dion Fortune, people of this ilk the weights at the time,
that's right, Oscar Wilde, A E. Waite. There was a
lot of people that really were in that system at
(03:11):
that time, and so I found it by the early
nineties and I did my time with them. When I
actually left there, I ended up working at a very
famous occult shop in Hollywood called Pan Pipes. It was
then owned by a man named George Derby who had
a background in the Houdan systems as well as ceremonial magic.
(03:35):
And I was his like cleanup kid, you know. I
would go around and sweep the floors and like the
intern right, the intern right right, I was you know,
I was like to Jimmy Cricket and I went there
and I learned from him even more, and then my
systems just kept growing from that point, and you know,
moved forward a couple of you know, years, and now
(03:56):
I have a shop with my wife here in Burbank,
California for you. We'll talk about that shop at a moment.
But did it take time to try to convince people, Hey,
I'm a nice guy, I'm not evil, I'm not a Satanist.
You know, I practice Wiccan. I'm a witch. But you
know what you people are. You know, you've got the
(04:17):
wrong information about what we do. Did you have to
ever come across that? I think that, I mean more
so in the nineties for sure, But you know, during
that time, I you know, I left. I left Wicca.
I didn't stay through it my entire life. That because
remember Wicca is actually a religious system, right, and it
(04:39):
builds guils the duality of the feminine in the masculine,
using pagan usually pagan deities of Europe, old deities, and
the agricultural system with the wheel of the year and
then the movements of the moon, the lunar cycle. That
to me was beautiful in its system, but it limited
me to do work that I wanted to do. Um,
(05:01):
So I did leave it behind at one At one point,
um I and I've looked into different systems. I got
to meet Anton Lave actually, who was actually a really
really nice guy about it. I was just going to
say that a lot of people think otherwise. Yeah, he
was a card He was. He was. I mean when
(05:22):
you hear about him being a carney, he actually was.
And he the only thing that he told me. You know,
I was so intimidated because you know, here I am
this young occultist and this guy walks into the shop
and he gave me one sentence. He told me, don't
be a parrot. That would be a parrot. That was
his advice. Yeah. Ye, And then he walked by, and
(05:43):
I was just like that stayed with me. You know,
what is Hollywood? You know, and you live in Los Angeles? Now,
what has Hollywood done to the impression of witches? I
mean I think back to The Wizard of Oz and
things like that, and then the TV show Bewitched, which
was a cute story of a witch. Sure, but you know,
Hollywood gives you the impression that, you know, witches are
(06:06):
running around, you know, turning kids into gingerbread and everything else. Yeah,
I doubt only get that. Well, you know, Hollywood has
always I think they're actually more They're the cause of
what people see, of course, because we're so induced by
media and we see it so much and television shows
(06:30):
and you know, I always tell people it's like, you know,
in the eighties when rock and roll was big, an
MTV was really huge, and we were dealing with the
PMRC and you know, heavy metal bands like Motley Crue
and all those guys, you know, they were they were
using all this flash occult vision choose to sell records,
you know, kind of like Kissed It in the seventies, yeah,
(06:53):
or Black Sabbath Um. But you know, Hollywood got ahold
of it and they just they just milked it dry.
And you're still doing it. And it bothers me because
now I'm almost sixty. You know, I'm four years from
sixty years old. Well you don't sound it at all, Well,
thank you, good for you. Yeah, fifty six years old
this year, and you know it's like for me, it
(07:16):
really bothers me because so many people are are caught
up with what they're seeing in like shows like Sabrina
or American Horror Story you know, the sensational the sensationalism
of it all, and it really isn't it's just life.
It's it's living life and moving through it with a
(07:37):
certain concept on how you want to achieve certain things
in your life. Well, give me your definition, cell of
what a witch is. A witch, first of all, is
a non binary term. So it's not just a female.
It's a it's a It's a person that uses the
(08:01):
herbs and oils and the elements of the earth and
their surroundings to cause change with their will by using spellcraft, incantation, oils,
and candles to work in the planetary magic structure, like
with color scale. So when you when you look at
witchcraft in the modern sense, we're not talking about Wika
(08:24):
because Wika is a religion in a but the act
of witchcraft is really based around a lot of planetary
magic systems. It's based around some of Ptolemaic structure and
the Caldian oracles, and it's also based also based around
Cabala because you know, people see the colors of the
(08:44):
planets that they're using. When you see somebody say, oh,
I need to burn this candle, and it's this color.
The reason that they're getting that color. It's actually from
one of the four worlds on the Tree of Life
and Cabala and they don't know that, but that's actually
where it comes from. And you you combine that with
(09:05):
the concept of these seven days in the week of
which was there seven ancient planets, not the modern planets
because they're considered errors in time, they're too far out
and intole amaze time. That's that's what they dealt with
on a daily level, and this is where the names
come from. And so you you key in on time
(09:27):
with color spectrum and herbs and oils that cross correlate
to those planets that you're trying to work with and
line it up to get the job done. How does
mathematics and science play a role in this? Well, when
when I think, what I was trying to say with
that was it's it's like math to me, it's it's
(09:50):
mathematical in itself. It's not dematria, which is a system
of magic through numbers. It's not that specifically, but it's
it's for me, it's like simple, simple mathematics. It's like
knowing what time of day to do this, working what
planet to bring into. So that's what I was trying
to get across when I said that. Okay, now you've
(10:12):
you've cast spells before for years. Yeah, good spells, bad
spells both. So now this is where you start getting
into um like thoughts of what's good, what's bad, what's up,
what's down? And you know, we're all I want to
(10:34):
believe that we're all raised well. I mean, I grew
up with parents. My father was on the on the
B twenty four Liberator in World War Two. You know,
I was raised in an Italian home on the East coast,
um with a good family, and I was brought up well,
and I brought was brought up to respect people and
do right by people. Um. You know. So with with that,
(10:57):
when when you have to decide the work that you're
doing magically, you have to follow what's inside you and
if it's right to be doing that, it's it's it's
your compass within you and the way you are as
a person that decides whether something is bad or good.
There's a great occultist in the modern time, okay, named
(11:20):
Lawn Milegicet, and he wrote in one of his books
there is no black or white magic. There's just the
magician Lawn's been on the program before. He is a
huge I mean, he's a big deal for me. He's
an amazing man, you know what I mean. And that's
a quote from one of his books. It's true. It's
not black or white, it's it's the person. You know,
if the person is going to be doing something horrible
(11:43):
and malicious, then that would be deemed in that way
for sure, as being a darker act. Sure, you know,
you have to look at what's What is corrosion to
some people might not be to someone else. Some people
see doing a love spell on a person that they
already know is bending them to get to the advantage
(12:08):
that they want, right, But other people see it differently.
How much does karma have to do with us? Well?
I believe that that karma, you know, is a word
that I believe is kind of gets used wrong. I mean,
karma is a really important term in a lot of
Eastern systems and it but when people think of karma,
(12:34):
I think that they have this understanding that, oh, if
if I do something good today, something you know, I'm
going to get something good is going to come back.
If I don't bad, something's going to come back. See
this is the thing that I think is wrong because
you shouldn't be doing good or bad things to get
good to get a good badge. You should be doing
(12:55):
good things because you're a good person. And that's the
way we are to make the world move. We should
all be treating each other with that way. You see
what I'm saying. The concept of karma being mixed into
an into an esoteric system, it's it's it's hard to
put your finger on, like in Wicca. When Wicca was
(13:17):
developed by Gerald Gardner in nineteen fifty six. You know,
he made that cohesive system off of utilizing components of
ceremonial magic and things like the golden dollars, people like
the unfortune and Crowley people like that, and then he
(13:38):
brought in the pagan gods of old and built it
around the wheel of the year, thus creating a new religion. Okay,
And when he did that, I mean, I might this
might upset some people out there, and you know, this
is just my view. I don't I don't impose my
views on anybody because it's it's not right. But I
(14:00):
believe that when you start stepping into that system and
they say, oh, if you do this, sewing at him.
None do what thou will. Okay, that's what That's a
term that Gardner phrased for the Wiccan system, which which
is actually a revamp of do what thou wilt shall
(14:21):
be the whole of the Law by Auster Crowley. And
you know, when you look at the two there are
obviously there's similarities, but they're different. But I believe that
you remember when when Gardner built this system, he was
a fictional writer, and when he built the system of WICCA,
we were just coming out of World War two. We
(14:43):
are coming in the in the United States specifically, we
were coming into McCarthyism, and everything was set up a
certain way and we were we were our boys were home,
and everything was was moving it in that in that
in that space and time. And I believe that when
he developed this system he didn't want people to think
(15:05):
that which meant bad, you know, because it has a
stamp on it, kind of like we're discussing earlier. And
I think that he did his best by creating sewing
that I'm none do without will to show people that
they were not unlike people that study or practice Western
(15:27):
systems of religion like Christianity, right, And I think that
that's where he was going. But that was kind of
like softening the blow so people could see that they
weren't malicious, they weren't these twisted chrone people. They weren't
they weren't desy its or being evil, you know, And
(15:48):
I think that it spoke a lot for that time.
But I think people now, I'm starting to understand it.
You know, when you when you have a store like
this ideal with parents anywhere between thirty five and sixty
that that are bringing their kids in the store now
to teach them things and to give them the right information,
(16:10):
did you give them choices? And you know, being a
kid growing up in the sixties and seventies, I didn't
have that. You know, a lot of us didn't. Yeah,
we didn't. And I'm not knocking my parents at all.
They were They're amazing and both still live ninety seven
and ninety four. God's great. Yeah, they're they're great. They're
they've got their wits about them. They're great people. But
(16:31):
you know, they taught They just happened to teach me
in a certain way. You know, I was an ultra
boy in a Catholic church growing up. Yeah, it was
beautiful to me, it's it's so you know, after I
moved through the systems that I did, I realized that
witchcraft doesn't really mean that you worship a devil, where
you worship a god or a goddess specifically. Witchcraft is
(16:52):
just it's a science that well what you just said
is the most poignant thing about this most people, so
most people think when you talk about witchcraft, you're talking
about Satan or the devil, and that is so wrong.
But they all think that, I'll come the media, television movies.
(17:15):
You know, look a look at the movies of the seventies.
Every time there was a movie in the seventies and
the eighties, think of Rosemary's Baby, you know, there was
always a pentagram. And you know how long the up
into the nineties did people see that five pointed start
and either think it was a the sign of someone
of the Jewish faith or they thought it was the
(17:36):
devil that not many people really could wrap their head
around it other than that just meant something bad, you know,
just like the word occult meant something bad. Now not
many people realize that some of us do. But occult
is just knowledge that's hidden from view. It's esoteric knowledge,
and a lot of people I think confuse words like oh,
(18:00):
halt was cult, you know, because when you think of
this again, in the last in my lifetime, Jim Jones, um,
Charles Manson up everywhere. But that's not occultism. That was
a cult. The Moonies was another one. And the ones
that chase to Chase the stunt, remember the ones that
(18:23):
Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate people, Yeah, that's a cult. That's
not occultism. And I think that people just get scared
of the words, and I think through movies and things
like that, this is why people it for so long
were stuck in this being one thing. I mean, my
mother comes to my store and she's still is like,
(18:45):
isn't that Mike, No, And I have explained to her.
My mom's very open minded and is very great with
the whole thing. Now, you know, I've been, but she's
known I've been this way since you know, the early
early eighties. Listen to more Coast to coast Al every
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori
with you. Let me tell you about our guest, Sal Santoro,
co owner of The Crooked Path, which is a traditional
witchcraft shop located in Burbank, California. With more than thirty
years of experience, Sala's practice various occult systems has given
(00:20):
him the ability to combine these structures and systems for
practical ritual magic. His studies include traditional witchcraft, ceremonial magic,
planetary magic, voodoo, and spellcraft. Sal sees what he does
as math and no matter which religion you identify with,
you can always use your will to manifest change. Sal
(00:42):
Santoro on Coast to Coast, Sal, welcome to the program. Wow,
thank you very much, George. How are you doing to
make good? I'm looking forward to this. How did you
get involved in witchcraft and things like that? I grew
up back in New England and I found stereotypic. Well
you think of New England and witchcraft, but it really wasn't.
(01:02):
I grew up in the woods of New Hampshire and
one of my really dear friends and I both got
involved in about nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty, so
that would have put me in about fifteen years old,
and I just became really, you know, really into it
and I just wanted to know. I wanted more knowledge,
(01:23):
as much as I could get. And of course this
is pre Internet, so you know, I did what I
could and try to find what I you know, could
find out there in my limited abilities with like the
public library in New Hampshire or whatever. And by nineteen
eighty five I moved to Los Angeles, California. And when
I moved to Los Angeles, it changed my life because
(01:46):
everything was available to me right there, and it started,
you know. I did my first internship in a Year
in a Day was a Wiccan group called the Druidic
Craft of the Wise have been in nineteen eighty nine
with a woman named Judith Defrayne, and I learned with them.
(02:07):
After that went on, I moved on to my second group,
and it was more along the Gardenerian tradition, still Wicca,
and I did a Year in a Day with that
group as well. And after that time I moved forward
and I joined the Golden Dawn, which is a ceremonial
(02:27):
magical order. I'm sure you know that, but you know
some some people don't. And it's an esoteric order that
is based kind of like combinations of the backgrounds of
some Rosicrucian work as well as connected to the Masonic lodges,
and it was it was first developed around eighteen sixty
(02:49):
in Britain, and that was where the first order started,
and it brought out people like Alistair Crowley, McGregor, Mathers,
Dion Fortune, people of this ilk the weights at the time,
that's right, Oscar Wilde, A E. Waite. There was a
lot of people that really were in that system at
(03:11):
that time, and so I found it by the early
nineties and I did my time with them. When I
actually left there, I ended up working at a very
famous occult shop in Hollywood called Pan Pipes. It was
then owned by a man named George Derby who had
a background in the Houdan systems as well as ceremonial magic.
(03:35):
And I was his like cleanup kid, you know. I
would go around and sweep the floors and like the
intern right, the intern right right, I was you know,
I was like to Jimmy Cricket and I went there
and I learned from him even more, and then my
systems just kept growing from that point, and you know,
moved forward a couple of you know, years, and now
(03:56):
I have a shop with my wife here in Burbank,
California for you. We'll talk about that shop at a moment.
But did it take time to try to convince people, Hey,
I'm a nice guy, I'm not evil, I'm not a Satanist.
You know, I practice Wiccan. I'm a witch. But you
know what you people are. You know, you've got the
(04:17):
wrong information about what we do. Did you have to
ever come across that? I think that, I mean more
so in the nineties for sure, But you know, during
that time, I you know, I left. I left Wicca.
I didn't stay through it my entire life. That because
remember Wicca is actually a religious system, right, and it
(04:39):
builds guils the duality of the feminine in the masculine,
using pagan usually pagan deities of Europe, old deities, and
the agricultural system with the wheel of the year and
then the movements of the moon, the lunar cycle. That
to me was beautiful in its system, but it limited
me to do work that I wanted to do. Um,
(05:01):
So I did leave it behind at one At one point,
um I and I've looked into different systems. I got
to meet Anton Lave actually, who was actually a really
really nice guy about it. I was just going to
say that a lot of people think otherwise. Yeah, he
was a card He was. He was. I mean when
(05:22):
you hear about him being a carney, he actually was.
And he the only thing that he told me. You know,
I was so intimidated because you know, here I am
this young occultist and this guy walks into the shop
and he gave me one sentence. He told me, don't
be a parrot. That would be a parrot. That was
his advice. Yeah. Ye, And then he walked by, and
(05:43):
I was just like that stayed with me. You know,
what is Hollywood? You know, and you live in Los Angeles? Now,
what has Hollywood done to the impression of witches? I
mean I think back to The Wizard of Oz and
things like that, and then the TV show Bewitched, which
was a cute story of a witch. Sure, but you know,
Hollywood gives you the impression that, you know, witches are
(06:06):
running around, you know, turning kids into gingerbread and everything else. Yeah,
I doubt only get that. Well, you know, Hollywood has
always I think they're actually more They're the cause of
what people see, of course, because we're so induced by
media and we see it so much and television shows
(06:30):
and you know, I always tell people it's like, you know,
in the eighties when rock and roll was big, an
MTV was really huge, and we were dealing with the
PMRC and you know, heavy metal bands like Motley Crue
and all those guys, you know, they were they were
using all this flash occult vision choose to sell records,
you know, kind of like Kissed It in the seventies, yeah,
(06:53):
or Black Sabbath Um. But you know, Hollywood got ahold
of it and they just they just milked it dry.
And you're still doing it. And it bothers me because
now I'm almost sixty. You know, I'm four years from
sixty years old. Well you don't sound it at all, Well,
thank you, good for you. Yeah, fifty six years old
this year, and you know it's like for me, it
(07:16):
really bothers me because so many people are are caught
up with what they're seeing in like shows like Sabrina
or American Horror Story you know, the sensational the sensationalism
of it all, and it really isn't it's just life.
It's it's living life and moving through it with a
(07:37):
certain concept on how you want to achieve certain things
in your life. Well, give me your definition, cell of
what a witch is. A witch, first of all, is
a non binary term. So it's not just a female.
It's a it's a It's a person that uses the
(08:01):
herbs and oils and the elements of the earth and
their surroundings to cause change with their will by using spellcraft, incantation, oils,
and candles to work in the planetary magic structure, like
with color scale. So when you when you look at
witchcraft in the modern sense, we're not talking about Wika
(08:24):
because Wika is a religion in a but the act
of witchcraft is really based around a lot of planetary
magic systems. It's based around some of Ptolemaic structure and
the Caldian oracles, and it's also based also based around
Cabala because you know, people see the colors of the
(08:44):
planets that they're using. When you see somebody say, oh,
I need to burn this candle, and it's this color.
The reason that they're getting that color. It's actually from
one of the four worlds on the Tree of Life
and Cabala and they don't know that, but that's actually
where it comes from. And you you combine that with
(09:05):
the concept of these seven days in the week of
which was there seven ancient planets, not the modern planets
because they're considered errors in time, they're too far out
and intole amaze time. That's that's what they dealt with
on a daily level, and this is where the names
come from. And so you you key in on time
(09:27):
with color spectrum and herbs and oils that cross correlate
to those planets that you're trying to work with and
line it up to get the job done. How does
mathematics and science play a role in this? Well, when
when I think, what I was trying to say with
that was it's it's like math to me, it's it's
(09:50):
mathematical in itself. It's not dematria, which is a system
of magic through numbers. It's not that specifically, but it's
it's for me, it's like simple, simple mathematics. It's like
knowing what time of day to do this, working what
planet to bring into. So that's what I was trying
to get across when I said that. Okay, now you've
(10:12):
you've cast spells before for years. Yeah, good spells, bad
spells both. So now this is where you start getting
into um like thoughts of what's good, what's bad, what's up,
what's down? And you know, we're all I want to
(10:34):
believe that we're all raised well. I mean, I grew
up with parents. My father was on the on the
B twenty four Liberator in World War Two. You know,
I was raised in an Italian home on the East coast,
um with a good family, and I was brought up well,
and I brought was brought up to respect people and
do right by people. Um. You know. So with with that,
(10:57):
when when you have to decide the work that you're
doing magically, you have to follow what's inside you and
if it's right to be doing that, it's it's it's
your compass within you and the way you are as
a person that decides whether something is bad or good.
There's a great occultist in the modern time, okay, named
(11:20):
Lawn Milegicet, and he wrote in one of his books
there is no black or white magic. There's just the
magician Lawn's been on the program before. He is a
huge I mean, he's a big deal for me. He's
an amazing man, you know what I mean. And that's
a quote from one of his books. It's true. It's
not black or white, it's it's the person. You know,
if the person is going to be doing something horrible
(11:43):
and malicious, then that would be deemed in that way
for sure, as being a darker act. Sure, you know,
you have to look at what's What is corrosion to
some people might not be to someone else. Some people
see doing a love spell on a person that they
already know is bending them to get to the advantage
(12:08):
that they want, right, But other people see it differently.
How much does karma have to do with us? Well?
I believe that that karma, you know, is a word
that I believe is kind of gets used wrong. I mean,
karma is a really important term in a lot of
Eastern systems and it but when people think of karma,
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I think that they have this understanding that, oh, if
if I do something good today, something you know, I'm
going to get something good is going to come back.
If I don't bad, something's going to come back. See
this is the thing that I think is wrong because
you shouldn't be doing good or bad things to get
good to get a good badge. You should be doing
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good things because you're a good person. And that's the
way we are to make the world move. We should
all be treating each other with that way. You see
what I'm saying. The concept of karma being mixed into
an into an esoteric system, it's it's it's hard to
put your finger on, like in Wicca. When Wicca was
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developed by Gerald Gardner in nineteen fifty six. You know,
he made that cohesive system off of utilizing components of
ceremonial magic and things like the golden dollars, people like
the unfortune and Crowley people like that, and then he
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brought in the pagan gods of old and built it
around the wheel of the year, thus creating a new religion. Okay,
And when he did that, I mean, I might this
might upset some people out there, and you know, this
is just my view. I don't I don't impose my
views on anybody because it's it's not right. But I
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believe that when you start stepping into that system and
they say, oh, if you do this, sewing at him.
None do what thou will. Okay, that's what That's a
term that Gardner phrased for the Wiccan system, which which
is actually a revamp of do what thou wilt shall
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be the whole of the Law by Auster Crowley. And
you know, when you look at the two there are
obviously there's similarities, but they're different. But I believe that
you remember when when Gardner built this system, he was
a fictional writer, and when he built the system of WICCA,
we were just coming out of World War two. We
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are coming in the in the United States specifically, we
were coming into McCarthyism, and everything was set up a
certain way and we were we were our boys were home,
and everything was was moving it in that in that
in that space and time. And I believe that when
he developed this system he didn't want people to think
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that which meant bad, you know, because it has a
stamp on it, kind of like we're discussing earlier. And
I think that he did his best by creating sewing
that I'm none do without will to show people that
they were not unlike people that study or practice Western
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systems of religion like Christianity, right, And I think that
that's where he was going. But that was kind of
like softening the blow so people could see that they
weren't malicious, they weren't these twisted chrone people. They weren't
they weren't desy its or being evil, you know, And
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I think that it spoke a lot for that time.
But I think people now, I'm starting to understand it.
You know, when you when you have a store like
this ideal with parents anywhere between thirty five and sixty
that that are bringing their kids in the store now
to teach them things and to give them the right information,
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did you give them choices? And you know, being a
kid growing up in the sixties and seventies, I didn't
have that. You know, a lot of us didn't. Yeah,
we didn't. And I'm not knocking my parents at all.
They were They're amazing and both still live ninety seven
and ninety four. God's great. Yeah, they're they're great. They're
they've got their wits about them. They're great people. But
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you know, they taught They just happened to teach me
in a certain way. You know, I was an ultra
boy in a Catholic church growing up. Yeah, it was
beautiful to me, it's it's so you know, after I
moved through the systems that I did, I realized that
witchcraft doesn't really mean that you worship a devil, where
you worship a god or a goddess specifically. Witchcraft is
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just it's a science that well what you just said
is the most poignant thing about this most people, so
most people think when you talk about witchcraft, you're talking
about Satan or the devil, and that is so wrong.
But they all think that, I'll come the media, television movies.
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You know, look a look at the movies of the seventies.
Every time there was a movie in the seventies and
the eighties, think of Rosemary's Baby, you know, there was
always a pentagram. And you know how long the up
into the nineties did people see that five pointed start
and either think it was a the sign of someone
of the Jewish faith or they thought it was the
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devil that not many people really could wrap their head
around it other than that just meant something bad, you know,
just like the word occult meant something bad. Now not
many people realize that some of us do. But occult
is just knowledge that's hidden from view. It's esoteric knowledge,
and a lot of people I think confuse words like oh,
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halt was cult, you know, because when you think of
this again, in the last in my lifetime, Jim Jones, um,
Charles Manson up everywhere. But that's not occultism. That was
a cult. The Moonies was another one. And the ones
that chase to Chase the stunt, remember the ones that
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Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate people, Yeah, that's a cult. That's
not occultism. And I think that people just get scared
of the words, and I think through movies and things
like that, this is why people it for so long
were stuck in this being one thing. I mean, my
mother comes to my store and she's still is like,
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isn't that Mike, No, And I have explained to her.
My mom's very open minded and is very great with
the whole thing. Now, you know, I've been, but she's
known I've been this way since you know, the early
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