Defying Gravity with Jenna Johnson Chmerkovskiy

Dancing with the Stars pro Jenna Johnson Chermkovskiy waltzes into the O.R. for a no limits hang with Becca and Tanya!

Find out Jenna’s reaction to all the rumors you might have heard about her husband Val and his dance partner. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rad and I
Heart Radio and two time People's Choice Award winning podcast.
Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in. Tanya. So last week
we were talking on the podcast, was like, hey, like
what happened last week? And you're like, no, nothing, like

(00:23):
we talked about nonsense, and you forgot to mention that
you fully interviewed Chris Martin. I know, and I would
like to apologize because that was pre taped and so
I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut until airs, and
so I sometimes forget um when I'm allowed to speak.

(00:44):
That sounds bad, but like, you know what, I can
talk about it. So let me tell you. Making Chris
Martin giggle is something like that. It's almost like an
angel came and blessed my life in that moment, Like
I didn't even see straight. He giggled like I actually
made him laugh. Did you feel like you were high

(01:06):
on life? I will never have to do drugs. I
remember that moment. Yeah, you say that made him giggle? Uh? Oh, well,
I pronounced one of the songs correctly cultural or Coloratura.
It's the last one, and I was saying how I
love how long the song is because it's a really
good makeout song, because that's when you know, I love
the like right, yeah, a good makeout playlist is like clutch,

(01:31):
And so I said something to that effect, and they all,
actually all the members of cold Play had a nice
giggle and it just really brought me to a euphoric place.
And Chris Martin actually, honestly, I want to say every
single one of them. They are so humble, so nice.
After the interview was done, he was like, is rad

(01:51):
really your last name? And I said, oh, it's you know,
Breddy saw your beach And he was like asking me
stuff about me, and I'm like, you're Chris Martin. You
can walk off and be done with me, you know,
like you don't need to entertain me or act like
you care. But he, like, I think he genuinely cares
and its curious and he wants to be nice to

(02:11):
people and he's so humble, and I'm just like, there's
nothing I could say that would encapsulate how I feel
about that band. I mean that is I can't even
process like that one and Harry styles like, I can't
even process what it would feel like to have that

(02:32):
like conversation outside of a public interview, but like a
one on one conversation where they're just being a genuinely
nice human being. Chris Martin, like he wrote the soundtrack
to like when I'm driving in the car Loan and
I want to feel something, I put on cold Play. Oh,
I know the songs just like Oh, he just knows.

(02:56):
They know how to get you, they know how to
like go into your intestine and like ruffle things up,
and I just love I just love them. And honestly,
I've had such great interactions with Chris Martin in the past.
He's come on the Morning show, um, he's come in
studio before, and I've said things about like those love pins,
about how I tried to get one at one of
his concerts and he literally took it off his jacket,

(03:17):
his own personal jacket, and gave it to me. I'm nothing,
I'm a little peon, Like I'm not like Chris Martin
does not need to be nice to me, and he's
just always been so nice. So I'm just I'm a
forever fan. I really enjoyed that experience. And if you
are a cold Play fan and a Chris Martin fan,
keep at it. Because they deserve everything good that comes

(03:39):
their way. I love that. I mean, you think that
it's you mean nothing, but like, we're all just human
beings and they have created such an amazing art for us,
but also there's still human. I love that he treats
people as if he hasn't like captured the world with
his music. You know what I'm saying. It like, isn't

(04:01):
that sad that the expectation is like he doesn't even
have to treat me like a human being. He should
just be done after the interview. It's like, no, like
it shouldn't be that way. But it is so cool
when someone at that level, you know what, why except
for Jenner Franison, Jenner person unapproachable. There's this there's this

(04:21):
concert that Chris Martin, um, I can't remember where it was,
but he basically said something he was going to play
my Universe and he pointed up to like and he
was like, in my universe is here. It was Dakota
Johnson and I played My Universe the song the cold
Play song on my weekend show, The Vibe, and I
dedicated it to Red Star and I was like, oh

(04:41):
when he does, like, oh, do you feel like Dakota
Johnson and I dedicated the song. He's like, huh. I
was like, whoa what I love that about Red Star.
I know me too, bless up, Like I feel like
there's been times where we're just Tony and I are
having a full conversation about something culture and Reds are
just like looking back and forth, like just watching us

(05:03):
has no idea what we're talking about. You know. It's
crazy though. He's on Twitter all the time, like Twitter
is his choice of news. Yeah, he loves Twitter. And um,
we were talking the other day about the Cravis I
was like, you know, courting rushing, Travis got engaged. I
was like, this is so great for Halloween cost and
don't you think and he was like they did. And

(05:24):
I was like it was everything that I saw on Instagram.
Every It was all over all the everything for two days.
And I told him I think on Tuesday. Happened on
the Sunday. He's like, I didn't see anything, So he
like googles it, right, he searches it on Twitter and
he sees and now the next day he goes, my
entire feed is Cravis news and I was like, oh, maybe, yeah,
maybe the algorithm feeds me this stuff because I like, right,

(05:48):
I don't like what's his feed like football and stuff? Yeah?
Just sports sports. Um yeah, I mean that's pretty epic. Congrats.
I don't know who you can I gain to sit
down with Taylor swife should be next? Was that like,
at what point do you feel like you've maxed out?
I feel good, strong about that. Um yeah, I don't

(06:13):
know how to trans you know, go into the next topic.
I have nothing to add to that that's even comparable. Um.
I did watch Grays last night. I did too. What
do you think? Okay, wait, before we started, like you
talk about this week's episode, you know, we didn't discuss
last week's episode Amelia with the new doctor over that

(06:36):
zoom call that there was like clearly some tension there.
And I think she's coming on because I saw on
Twitter and said like welcome new doc or something to graze.
I mean, they're totally setting this up for Amelia to
be by or you know, have some sort of relationship
with her. Because I agree you don't think so, Mark, No,

(06:58):
I'm saying, is that by is it? I'm not sure.
I don't know, but because she's been up until this point, oh,
I don't know if she's ever talked about her sexuality,
but having a relationship with a woman, I guess I
shouldn't assume by but um, it totally feels like it's
setting up for that because she seems very much past
Link after last night's episode. Yeah, this week's episode, Yeah,

(07:22):
there's two scenes from this week's episode that really struck me.
And the first one was to sit down between Amelia
and Addison and basically how they talked about what the pandemic,
how the pandemic affected each one of them, and Amelia
was basically saying how when she like she crumbled, she
crumbled under it. She didn't like not being able to

(07:44):
leave the house and taking care of the kids in
the domestic life where Link was thriving and wanted more
kids and like loving it, and so she basically that
was kind of like when she realized a marriage between
them wasn't gonna work. And how Addison said she drank
so much red wine during the pandemic that she thought
she was gonna have to check herself of Finn somewhere,
And it's just it's interesting to me to see how

(08:05):
the pandemic and the quarantine affected people in such different ways,
you know what I mean, Like people and some people
had really dark moments, some people had moments of um clarity,
you know, ups and downs, highs and lows, and so
it was kind of for me, it was cool to
see the difference that they had in their time. I
just Addison being back made me feel like the whole

(08:28):
quality of the show was elevated again. I agree. I
just love she's like the duchess. I yeah, I don't know.
There was just something in her having that relationship with
Amelia from Private Practice and then seeing it again on
Grays and I don't know, there was just something about
it that made me feel very um cozy. Like I

(08:51):
was home and I found myself totally smiling at the
TV watching Meredith and Scott Speedman and they just talking
like nothing even happened. It was a very short exchange
and the last scene grinning and I'm like, oh, I
haven't done that since dere He touched her hand, did
you see that? He was like at the end, at

(09:12):
the very end. Oh yeah. And I think it's just
because she seems really smitten, Like she doesn't even say
a lot around him, like she only seems kind of
like shy or something. That last scene of the show,
I get emotional, like thinking about it. The very last scene, yeah,
because Meredith goes into this monologue and it's all about

(09:35):
how like she's done so much alone, Like she has
done surgeries alone, She's accomplished this alone, She's done all
these things, and I like it, like really resonated with
me because I feel like I pride myself and being
you know, like an independent modern woman and I can
I'm so surprised at myself at what I've been able
to accomplish on my own and how strong I am

(09:57):
and all these things, and so I'm like really resonating
with every thing she's saying. And then the last line
or whatever when they like when it's her and Scott Speedman,
but she says, there's there's nothing like feeling like somebody
has your back, and that's where it ends. And I
literally lost it while I was watching it because it
was like I almost had this like Eureka moment, you know,

(10:18):
unexpected twist and emotional. But that's so yeah, because I
was like, it's so weird because I do still feel
like I obviously like I'm independent and I can do
things on my own and I I still feel that way.
But there's something about like, um, knowing that Red Star

(10:39):
has my back, you know what I mean, Like he
has my best interest in her. He's like working on
something for me right now, and like the trust I
have in him to just like I don't know, it's
very like I can't even explain it, Like it's something
that I've always wanted, and I don't know, Like I
really resonated with Meredith's monologue. It was so weird. Well
it's so true. I mean, I feel like you're so
right what you pride yourself on an I think even

(11:00):
with Red Star is being independent and doing things on
your own and handling things. But I think having someone
even take out of him even help being able to
help you with something for work, but just being there,
like having that safe space and like that person to
go home to or too to comfort you when you

(11:22):
had a bad day fighting all this alone. You know,
I think it really is. It's so valuable and it's
so simple, but it really is such a beautiful thing
to even if it's a friend or someone, just having
someone that has your back that makes you feel like
you're not doing everything alone. Struck. I really like I

(11:43):
loved it. I was like, whoa, And that's what I
love about grays, like when I can actually like, you know,
I love when I feel watching grades. Yeah, yeah, I
felt funny. How little it takes to get everybody back
up again. You bring back an og character and properly
cast Meredith's love interest, and we're all in. Yeah. If

(12:04):
I can clarify what I said earlier about Kai and Amelia,
what I mean is I think Kai is a non
binary character. That's the impression I get, and so that's
why I was saying, I'm not sure if that's gay straight,
but I'm not sure what that is, and maybe that's
time for us to move past such labels as a society.
But I don't think that's just going to be a
gay relationship. I think it'll be more nuanced than that. Yeah,

(12:26):
I I didn't want to. I'm sorry I even assumed
what it meant either way, because I said immediately said
by but you're right, I think it's I just think
it's leading in a direction where there's going to be
a relationship, because even in that call, I felt like
this chemistry there that I feel like Amelia is moving
on from Link. That's the impression I get. So I

(12:46):
see a new relationship forming, and I'm excited if it's
with a new doctor, whatever the context is. Yes, agreed, Yeah,
she's definitely over linked. That is ships that ship has
the character is a non binary character, No, they have.
I just feel like that's the direction they're going in. Okay,

(13:08):
well I'm excited either way. Um, So there is this
BuzzFeed list and it says Margarette, have you read them?
But it says nineteen things every Gray's Anatomy fan is
totally guilty of. And I want to see how many
Tanya and I? Okay, great? And then and then we
have a really exciting guest. I'm so excited to talk
to you because we're getting to chat with Jenna Johnsonsky

(13:30):
from Dancing with the Stars, who is dancing with Jojo
c All this season. So I'm really excited about it.
All right, So this is both of you. How many
which ones you each do? Of these nineteen? Like, let's count,
let's tally all right, I gotta tally ready to go,
all right? Number one forcing your family and friends to
watch the show so you could live vicariously through them, Yes,

(13:52):
both Number two believing you're basically qualified to give medical advice. Yeah, obviously,
after and after many hours of watching grades, convincing yourself
that you could actually do surgery. I think I could
do a minor Yeah, I'm not that delusional soon ahead
and sure. Quoting the show on a daily basis, Yes,

(14:19):
I don't mean on a daily basis. Yeah, you do know,
I don't. It's a great day to be alive. Don't
say that every day. You don't. It's a great day
to save live. So you're not saying it right either.
On three apiece number five, ripping your face mask off
like the surgeons after an unsuccessful surgery, that when I

(14:41):
leave a store or something. Number six. Genuinely mourning the
character's death, So that's for sure. Number seven, and being
equally heartbroken when a character is written out of the show.
It depends on who though, Well, yeah, but still number
eight we're watching old episodes, if ever two of those.

(15:03):
Number nine. Overlooking the unrealistic storylines, yeah, yeah, overlooked like
making it they like feel they don't feel over yeah right.
Falling in love with someone new every season, Yeah, I
think Grace does a great job at bringing someone in
and making you love them. I'm gonna say no for me, Okay,

(15:27):
all right? Taking online quizzes to find out which dream
boat you'd end up with. Wanting to move to Seattle.
Definitely have gone there, but not recently. No, I don't
think I ever wanted to move there. It feels gray,
too gray for me. M nice pun bawling your eyes
out after certain scenes. Yes, I'm crying just talking about it,

(15:51):
that's true. Having international fear of weddings after all the drama.
I got to talk to my therapist. I wonder if
this is where your fear of may from. Interesting, they
all fail. I'm gonna say no for me because no
warming to the idea of hooking up with a colleague.
I did have a moment where I was like, how

(16:12):
cool would it be to have like an on call
room experience? But you're not a doctor. But in another life,
if I had been a doctor, that would have been cool. Yeah. Yeah,
I don't know if the show did that for me,
but I always have. I had that itch for a while. Yeah,
back storage, rom back in the corner, back there, kiss, Oh,

(16:35):
right right, right, right, right right right. Like reading spoilers
on the newest season, I used to seek out spoilers
for Grays. I don't do it anymore, but I used
to be obsessed with it. Yeah, I'm not a big
spoiler girl. Okay, having a love hate relationship with Shanda
Rhymes m. Taking a while to warm up to new characters, definitely, Yeah,

(16:58):
and finally wanting to find your person obviously, Yeah, for sure.
Well Becca wins. Becca is eighteen of nineteen, an Tanya
is only thirteen of nineteen, So I don't know. Maybe
I'm the loser. Yeah, watch your point in that finger,
missy Um. While I was exciting. You know what's funny,

(17:21):
it's like trying to make someone watch Grays. That's like
not into Grays. Is the really really disappointing um situation
normally for me because I feel like they're just like,
what is going on? That's crazy? And I'm like they
have a pole stuck between them and no, I'm like
the sick o that makes people watch it. And then
I'll follow up with them like where are you? What

(17:41):
season are you at? What episode are you at? Oh
my god? Yeah that's so good. Just wait, Like I'm
that girl. I do, Like I do have friends and
family who have been like I'm I'm watching Grace for
the first time. I'm on the blah blah blah episode
and I'm like, oh my gosh. But it's different when
you make someone sit down and watch and they have
no context of any of the characters, and there's like,
this is madness. No. I I made Red Stars cousins

(18:02):
watch it from the beginning, from this first season, and
she's like, really, now, she's really into it. She's liking it.
And so but I had to stop myself because I
would randomly like text her in the middle of the
day and she has like a normal human job where
she has to like, you know, not text allbody. Yeah,
and she was like, um, I had to stop because
I would just keep asking our questions like, oh my god,

(18:23):
have you seen this yet? How do you feel? Do
you like him? Oh my god? You weren't upset by
that death, Denny? What? Yeah, No one has upset about that,
is you. Um, Okay, we're gonna take a break, and
then we have Jenna in the waiting room and we're
gonna bring her right in. All right, you guys. I

(18:55):
am so excited about our guest today because she is
making history on Dancing with the Stars. We have Jenna
Johnson scrubbing in today in the o R. We're so
excited to have you. Thanks for thanks for taking time.
I know you're so busy right now. Absolutely big fan

(19:18):
of the podcast. So I used to be here. Wait
is it Jenna Johnson or Jenna Johnson Schmerkovsky. Well, is
officially Jenna Johnson Schmerkovsky. And you know what, that is
probably one of the best times I've ever heard somebody
say it on the first try. Thank you so much.
Ethically great. I'm Serbian, so I really feel like, you know,

(19:39):
it's just in the tone beach. Yeah, it makes sense.
Last day, Yeah, I was just like, listen, I'm gonna
I'll let Tanya handle that, or I'll let Jenna. I'm
from Louisiana. This is not gonna go over a while. Well,

(20:00):
it's funny, you know, I went from a Johnson my
whole life twitch Murkowsky and it's just even my family
has a hard time saying my new last name. So
it's hysterical. Yeah, Johnson is like so easy, very typical,
very You never had that as a kid where they
looked at your name when they were like no, they
never struggled with that. Yeah. Um, now I have to

(20:22):
like spell it a billion times for people, So I
don't even know where to begin with. I So, I'm
so curious. You're dancing with Jojo Seawall. It's the first, Um,
female dancers dancing together, at least in the US. I
don't know if they've done it anywhere else. I mean,
I know in general dancing they do it, but for

(20:43):
like a competition, UM, definitely in America. It's the first
time it's happened. UM. What's the process, Like did they
come to you and say, like, are you comfortable? Like
what what was the process of you being paired with Jojo? Um?
It's so they actually did before the season was happening.

(21:04):
They called me. The executives called me and they were like,
we need to have a zoom with you. And I
was like, oh gosh, I'm getting fired. I didn't know
what was happening. Like a zoom call is never good, um,
And so I was like, sure, I'll jump on. So
I jumped on and they essentially were like, you know,
we have some really exciting news and we just want
to ask you a question. And I was like, what, Like,

(21:27):
for the first time ever, we're gonna be having a
same sex pairing, and for some reason, my initial thought was, Oh,
it's gonna be two guys. So I just thought maybe
they're going to ask me my opinion on like choreography
or just what I thought about it. And I was like,
that is amazing. And then they were like, it's gonna
be two females, and I was like, oh, I see

(21:48):
how this is going down. Um. And so they just
asked me straight up, you know, like would you be
willing to dance with a girl this season? And immediately,
immediately I answered yes. And then I started thinking like,
oh my goodness, what did I just kind of sign
myself up for? Um? Because I haven't ever been in
this position before. It's never been done in America, like

(22:11):
you sent back up, but it has been done in
the UK. So I did some research. I kind of
looked up how it went for them, um. But honestly,
I just I think why I said yes, I've done
I think this is my eleventh or my twelve season
on the show, and I've had some amazing partners, just

(22:34):
all sorts of a variety, and this is the first
time I felt like I was really going to be challenged,
and so I just I was like, I love a challenge.
I'm super competitive, so I kind of wanted to prove
to myself too that I could do it. Um and
it has seriously exceeded all of my expectations. I was
really worried about people's reactions, what just what the overall

(22:59):
feel was going to be, you know, because it is
something super new, when something super scary, I think for
a lot of people. But as soon as I met Jojo,
we just like had this natural just friendship and connection
and we both felt so comfortable doing it that I
think it's kind of translated throughout our dances and has

(23:19):
just felt natural for everybody else watching us. I mean,
it's watching all dance is. And maybe I have tailored
my social media and my algorithm to where I don't
get any um. I don't see as much ignorance maybe
to her, but I all I see is support. All
I see is like this is amazing, Like you'll crush it,

(23:41):
like I haven't seen you know, because when I first
heard about it, I was like, here come the hater. Yeah.
I kind of like rolled my eyes like oh no,
but like I thought it was amazing. I just was
already like anticipating what I was going to see under
the you know, comments and stuff, which is how my
brain works. But it's been so pleasant to see such
a at least from what I'm seeing A was it
a reaction from people? Yeah? And I told my husband

(24:05):
my husband the night before the premiere, I was like,
you know, I'm I'm so excited. But because we hadn't
announced who the pairings were yet, they didn't announce them
until the first show. So I told my husband the
night before I was just like, you know, I'm so
excited for this, but I am really nervous about the
backlash and just how to handle it because the season
is already stressful enough. But you know, it's inevitable you're

(24:27):
gonna get haters. You're gonna get just like toxic people
trying to bring you down when you're doing something great.
And I was shocked that it was full of love
and support. You know, you get a few of those,
just like bad apples. But like you said, I was
blown away at just how exactly everyone was up was

(24:49):
of the situation. Who was Its been really awesome. Do
you fixate on the bad apples though? Like when you
see the negative ones, do you just are you able
to kind of like brush it to the side and
move forward, or does it like get to you. You know,
I think I've just dealt with haters my whole life,
and this isn't the first time, it's not the last time. Obviously,

(25:10):
I take my work your very seriously, and so when
people are commenting about my work, it affects me because
I am a perfectionist and I always want to put
my best foot forward. I think after meeting Jojo and
just working with her and kind of hearing some stories
that she've had to dealt with, I just don't even

(25:30):
care anymore. If they don't even phase me, It's just
it's not worth it. It's not worth your energy. You know.
You know what you're putting out and what you're putting
into your project, and so why dwell on the negatives?
If anything, I just want to keep like pushing and
keep proving people wrong. So you know, obviously we're human.

(25:50):
I'm a female as well, like people are just rude.
But I just think I've been so inspired and so
focused on my work this season that it hasn't really
phased me. Stronger woman than I same. Um, I do
you know watching the show, you watch all of you
who are the professional dancers, and your job, like what

(26:12):
you do every season is you have this incredible chemistry
and connection with your partner, and it's kind of like,
I guess not acting, but maybe a little not acting,
but you're performing, you're putting on a show, you're dancing together.
This time together, you get to know each other. And
of course every single person is like anytime you have
a partner, whether it's male or female, they're like they

(26:35):
feel like there's this intimate, like this romantic connection every
time because it's kind of what you see. It's what
you see on the dance boards, like kind of when
you watch people dance together, you kind of are creating
this like romance in your head. And I wonder, like,
being in this profession and having your husband be someone
who is also a professional dancer, do you even go

(26:56):
there or is it kind of like this is our job.
We both do it every season, we're not even not
even in our head about it. It's funny because you know,
there was this whole blow up on this TikTok just
this past week recently about the similar situation because I
have amazing chemistry with my partner and he has amazing
chemistry with his partner, and going into each season, you

(27:21):
hope that you're going to have amazing chemistry with your
partner because honestly, those are the people that do the best.
You want to have a great energy about you where
people watch you and you're like, why is that magic?
And you can really tell the difference between people that
get along and people that don't. And so also, dance

(27:41):
is very intimate. It's physical. You're touching somebody, you know,
you're in each other's personal space. And so I think
for the outside I and for people that aren't dancers
or aren't actors, you know, like what about actors that
have to do makeout scenes somebody else? You know. And
so I think that Val and I to understand our work,

(28:01):
and we're so comfortable with it. I mean, he's seen
me dance with many men many and I have to,
you know, like even my partner last season with me,
we just had such a great bond and such great
energy and chemistry together performing. People were drawn in by
our performances, you know. So it's inevitable for people to
like paint narratives. But it's just funny, I think, you know,

(28:27):
and it's not the first time we've dealt with this.
It's not going to be the last time, and I
hope not because that means that we're doing our job
really really well. Um, but you know, again dealing with
haters again. People love to create toxic narratives, and VL
and I were even talking about this this week, like
we're then really doing our job well, so sorry, but

(28:51):
you know, obviously it's hard, like you never want your marriage,
your relationship to be talked about in that way, really narratives.
I mean, but that's the workplace that we chose, and
we know what we signed up for. So again, it's
it's difficult in the moment, but I guess because we've

(29:12):
just had to deal with this so many times before.
And I've watched them also dance with females my whole
life as well, Like I'm just used to it. So
if people are bugged by it, like that's on them.
If you were to describe, like just to lay it
all out there when you were if you were to
describe your friendship relationship with Jojo, like what's the dynamic

(29:34):
is it? Like big sister? How would you describe it?
Because people see these TikTok montages of just like these
dance moments to a slow song and they're like, oh
my gosh. But in reality, y'all are just like probably
I don't know if you yell at each other, but
like good to get you know, trying to practice a
dance and learn to dance. It's like, it's so funny
because I'm like, did people forget that I'm married? Yeah? Yeah,

(29:58):
Like and I'm also straight, you know, like so many
funny things, but it's yeah, it's and obviously she has
like a huge following and big on TikTok so um.
We've been giggling about it. But and I'm like a
thousand years older than her. I feel, you know, it's historical. Um,
but I do feel she's eighteen, and I see just

(30:25):
so much potential in her. I see an eighteen year
old Jenna in her. She reminds me a lot of
myself when I was just tapping into my star. And
there are so many directions that she could go. And
I just want to be the best mentor best partner,

(30:46):
best big sister for her. Um, and I do feel
like we have this amazing like big sister, little sister relationship.
She definitely keeps me young and like, oh my gosh,
she'll say some of these things and I'm is this
is this like a trend right now? Um? So I
feel really old when I'm next to her. But I'm

(31:07):
so grateful for this partnership. It's I think it's something
that I really needed. I tend to do very safe
things because I never want to make anybody else feel uncomfortable,
you know. I just I like to be a safe
position always, and this season has really challenged me to

(31:28):
do something scary and courageous. And I think that she's
been somebody that I can look up to because she
was willing to like put her whole name on the
line and be the space the first time ever and
she just like wasn't scared, didn't hesitate one time about it.
So I've learned a lot from her. Um. But yeah,

(31:49):
I think she'll be my my little sister for life
for sure. Okay, I need to know if you have
driven in the car with her face plaster to all
around it, because let me tell you, and does she
don't even know she still has that car? She still
still she has it? Have you written in it? Um?
Yes I have. It's pretty insane. I wish you could

(32:11):
see the inside of it. Every seat is a different color.
The whole dashboard is Ryan Stone. It's like beyond. But
you're not even ready. You're not even ready. She has
another car that was wrapped in something else. She called
me this morning and she has had it fully wrapped
and I'm not even going to tell you because I'm

(32:33):
sure she's just going to post about it. But she
has had it custom wrapped in like Dancing with the
Stars situation. Not ready it, Oh no, I'm sure it
probably has your face on it, both of us. Our
team name Mirror Balls Stars. Like it's I'm telling you

(32:56):
that car makes such a statement. So I was I
don't know where we were coming out of, but we
were out of ballet and I was with my boyfriend
at the time and he just like pop culture. He
doesn't know much about anything, so he didn't really know.
I was like, oh my gosh, that's Jojo Siwa's car.
And he was like, is that is that the person
who's faces on the car? And I was like yes,
and we got her like that's that's her that's getting

(33:18):
in the car, like that's her face on the car.
And I was just totally you see in the flesh
was truly I felt blessed seeing it. So here's the
ironic thing. And it's funny how the universe works. But
my husband and I recently just moved well, I guess
about a year ago, we moved into our first home,
um and you know, we were new into the neighborhood,

(33:39):
so we would drive around, but to get to our house,
we would pass this house every single day. And it's
a gorgeous house, had like all these cars in the
front yard in the front like gay area. And one
day we drove past it and I was like, I
think that Jojo seawas car. And then every day we
passed it and I'm like, oh my gosh, our neighbor
is Jojo Sea. No, So we knew that she was

(34:01):
our neighbor for like a straight year and then like
a year later, I'm her partner. I'm like in her
car now, Like I'm telling you, that's not coincidence. That
is like that is the manifesting thing. Yeah, That's what
I'm saying, And like she didn't know we were neighbors,
but like I literally I have to drive next to

(34:22):
her house to get to our house every single day.
What are the odds, it's wild, pretty crazy. It was
in the stars, It was in the Stars, Dancing Stars,
Dancing Stars. I have a question about your marriage because

(34:52):
I always wonder if I were in your position personally.
This is my probably trauma or something things that I'm
working on in therapy, and I had I don't know
that I could either have a partner who did what
you did if I wasn't doing it as well, or
if flipped like that, Like, do you think you could
be with someone who didn't understand what your job looks like?

(35:16):
Because I don't think people, I mean a lot of
it don't so challenge no chance. Yeah, I think it
does make it a lot easier that we are in
the same workspace and we understand what goes into the
show and just what goes into dancing. Um. I commend

(35:37):
my friends who don't have husbands that are on the
show or understand what they're doing, because it is a lot.
You're spending a ton of time together with somebody, a stranger,
you know, like we said earlier, you're in an intimate
space with somebody you're touching all day. You're creating this
this undeniable friendship that nobody else is going to understand

(36:00):
or get, you know, and so it is nice that
he understands what I have to do to be successful
on the show and in my workplace, and that I
understand as well. Um and again I'm not always I'm
not saying that it's always easy. I've also had to
work on it and we've built a lot of trust

(36:20):
because of it. Even in general, just working together with
your spouse is a lot, you know, because you do
want that separation as well, like I want to come
home and be able to tell you about my day
or to not talk about work at all. But we're
constantly like just in the same space. Um. So it

(36:41):
is a balance and we've had to figure it out
throughout the years. But again, I think because we have
been on the show together for so long and we
do understand like what it takes to be successful on
the show. Um, So yeah, just having that under standing.
But yeah, and again, I guess I've had some good

(37:03):
examples because there aren't a lot of people in our
same position, But my brother in law and my sister
in law also had to do this together and figure
it out, and so I think they were a great
kind of just role model for us. Um, but yeah,
everybody has their own individual things and so it's just
really being open, honest, having that very direct communication. UM.

(37:27):
I think that leads you to success in your marriage
but also in your workplace. Do you like marriage words? Um?
I love marriage. I I grew up always knowing that
I wanted to get married and be in a happy marriage,

(37:48):
and THOU has created my fairy tale. Marriage is hard.
It's not always easy, that's for sure. But you know that,
I'm so glad that we dated for so long before
getting married because we went through all of those ups
and downs. There were no surprises once we got married,

(38:09):
you know. And I feel like if we hadn't gone
through that nitty gritty and spent time exploring each other,
living together, um, we wouldn't have been ready for marriage.
And so I marriage is everything and more than I expected. Again,
it's a constant work in progress. But I love being

(38:30):
somebody's wife. E Like, I have so much pride wearing
my engagement. Oh what was that? Can you say that? Again?
I love being like that's my husband, that's my hobby.
So like, there's just like so many things that I
love about it. I was talking to my girlfriend the
other night or the other night. Uh, she's married, and

(38:53):
and we were just talking about the concept of marriage
and she's like, honestly, it's so weird to think about,
like I sleep in the same bed as a person
for the rest of my life. And it's like when
you put it, like, that's so weird. Yeah, And it's
funny because, um, because of the show and COVID and everything,
there's actually three married couples on Dancing with the Stars

(39:13):
right now, and because of COVID, we have to do
this last season as well. So annoying, but we all
have to live separately for the duration of the season
because we can't get each other sick. We have to
be in our pods. You know. It's psychotic. Um. And
I hated it last season obviously because I had just
gone from like quarantine COVID spending every breathing second with

(39:37):
my husband and I being like, oh, you have to
like live separately for work and I was like, what
does this mean? But and then we have to do
it this season again. But it's you know, it's been
really nice to miss him, and because I do have
the luxury of sleeping next to my my person every night,
it's been a nice remind and you take that for granted,

(39:59):
you know, and you forget what it's like to sleep
alone and it sucks. So it's been nice in a
very twisted, disturbing way, like I love missing him and
I love missing sleeping next to him, and yeah, it's
it's wild. You know what they say, Absence does make

(40:21):
the heart grow fonder, and if it doesn't, you should
probably yonder. Yeah. How long did y'all date before you
got married? Oh? Man, we were on and off for
a while. And again, you know, relation, I'm sure you know,
relationships in the public are just like everybody wants a piece,

(40:46):
everybody wants to stay in the matter. So we were
discreet and quiet about it. We were like on and off,
but I would say officially we were. We dated for
about five and a half years and then got engaged,
like in our four in four years into dating. So yeah,
I don't off countse girl get all together? Oh for sure,

(41:08):
for sure. Yeah. Well, I was gonna say, because you
always hear people say marriage is hard, you know, like
that's kind of the thing, like it's great, but it's hard,
And I always wonder, like, what's the what's the difference
in the challenge like marriage being hard versus a long
term relationship being hard, because if you're kind of if

(41:28):
you're living together and spending that much time together not married,
what what is what changes in marriage that? Or is
it the same challenges that make just a relationship part?
You know? I guess they are very similar for me,
the differences and how I've always looked at marriage is
like when you make that commitment to somebody that is

(41:52):
solid and you are working to solidify it, to cherish it,
to help it grow and it again. I feel like
you should have that same intention with relationships. But I
feel like just marriage is very solidifying at that um
and I feel but I don't know. I guess that
valin I always had that same energy in while dating

(42:14):
and in marriage. But yeah, it takes work, but like
so does everything, you know, Like I always think, if
I'm gonna put in the effort, I want to my
body to be in shape that I want to or
to be healthy like I have. You have to have
that same sort of mindset going into your relationships. It
can't just be just mediocre or just like lazy about it.

(42:38):
So I don't know, but it's it's a balance honestly.
Because also what valin I have had to find out
is we love me time and our personal personal moments
whatever that is. And and again, because we do work together,
it's important for us to find those moments of alone

(42:58):
and things that may just us happy. Um so yeah,
yeah I was. I'm not, but I'm like no expert,
well none of us, And yeah I had to work
on Yeah, I I also am curious, um dancing with
a female and she like picks you up and lifts you,

(43:20):
and I mean y'all are doing everything. Rebecca Tilly, all
the wires, I just spilt. Yeah you can't, yeah, water Celsius,
Oh no, it's fine. This is this is I get

(43:47):
lectured on this all the time. No more anything for
you ever ever ever, Like my mom, the amount of
wires that are plugged into this desk, it's like literally
I would be I'm I would be embarrassed to show
you because it's like they're not even like done like

(44:08):
a pretty way, you know, like you like band them
up and put them like they're just all over the place.
And there's like probably like fifty machines on here, and
then the Celsie's just dropped it like sprinkled on wires. Um.
I am curious, with all the um lifting and flipping
and doing all the things that you normally do with ment,

(44:30):
do you have the same trust in Jojo that you
do when you dance with male partners. It's funny because
when we first met, she had never really worked out before.
She didn't have much muscle. So starting from day one,
and I guess we're about now eight weeks and two
from when we started rehearsing to the Life competition weeks,

(44:53):
we started doing pushups and planks every day. When I
met Jojo, she couldn't do one push up. We are
now at thirty five solid, consistent, strong pushups, and we
hold a three minute plank every day. We don't start
a rehearsal until we do. My girl has lost I'm
not I'm gonna let her tell the world how much

(45:15):
she's lost and weight and how much muscle she has gained.
It's insane. She looks so amazing and she's just you
can see she's gotten so confident in her body, and
she really does. She's gotten so much stronger. And so
I do now have more confidence going into some of
these lists, because let's be honest, like, if we want

(45:36):
to compete with the other couples, she's got to be
able to lift me. You know, we've got to do that.
And so, um, I do have way more trust than
I did week one, that's for sure. So I mean
I might need you to train me. She keeps laughing,
she keeps saying boot camp by Jetta, and I'm like, yeah,
let's get it. But no, seriously, that is it just

(45:57):
push ups and planks? Is that what y'all focus on?
That's all we've been doing, I mean other than like dancing. Yeah, that,
but yeah, we were really committed and serious. We don't
miss a day push ups planks and it's insane kind
of how it's transformed your body. Should we start doing? Yeah,
push ups a day on a three minute plank to

(46:19):
start probably get close. Well, we we started at ten
and then we'd work our way up in like fives
or twos. So you know, just start where you can.
But the plank, I'll tell you what a good way
to get through the plank is play wicket, play defined gravity.
It will take your mind off of everything exactly exactly.

(46:39):
That's so that's what we do, and it just kind
of takes your mind off of everything and you get
through it and then boom, you did a three minute plank. Three.
I mean, we're gonna do this together, and we're going
to We're gone. We'll do progress updates. I love that.
Thank you so much for scrubbing in and hanging out

(47:00):
and answering all of mostly my questions. I was like,
I have so many questions ask I just think it's
amazing and I love that y'all are getting so much
love and support and I mean absolutely crushing it. And um,
everyone vote for Jenna and Joe Joe vote also Jenna's
clothing collection at Joe and Jack's dot com. Do you

(47:21):
want to tell us little bit about your clothing line? Yes,
I started my first ever dance wear collection. Um. I
really wanted to be I really wanted people to have
access to hot, fierce ballroom skirts but also be able
to provide at leisure for women and kids. So it's
both for kids and for adults. Um. But there's cute

(47:43):
prince skirts, there's rock, there's laggings, the whole vibe. So
go check it out at Joe and Jacks dot com. Yeah,
I'm on the website right now. It's so cute. Super
cute and do some shopping and some push ups today. Yeah, yeah,
kind of pot. Thank you so much for taking the time.
We really really appreciate ate it. Thank you so much,
you guys. Bye bye. Okay, first of all, I'm sorry

(48:21):
I talked so much, but I just I feel like
what they're doing is so amazing, and I just had
so many questions about No, you know, it's okay. You know,
sometimes we have guests that we're very excited about. Sometimes
I'll take the lead. Sometimes you take the lead, and
that is what true partnership is. That's what's great about
true partnership. You know, sometimes you're the lead. I'm the caboose.

(48:42):
Sometimes I'm the lead. You're the caboose. And I'm sorry
for spelling the celsius. So Becca has officially lost her
liquid privileges in the studio. Y'all don't understand how hard
I fight to have these privileges and then I just
ruined it for myself. So I'm not even really have water.
You just better drink up before we do the podcast.

(49:03):
My my, uh my liquids are on the floor now
away from me to or I can't even like actually
reach them. So there's no point, might as well just not. Yeah,
so drink up buttercup before you come in here. It's
like it's like your mom who won't let you eat
in the car. You know, that's what it is. But
there's a reason that mom's like that. Because we have

(49:24):
a new throw rug in our living room because of
a chocolate milk incident last weekend. So you know, these
things need to be regulated sometimes. Yes, rules have purpose,
and the purpose of the rules is to keep things orderly.
And if now we're not going to have another disruption
in our interviews like we did with Jenna Johnson Schmarkowsky
with your celsius spilling like an ocean flow over the

(49:46):
wires here. They is so proud of her pronunciation. Yeah,
so we're sorry, Jenna Johnson Shchmurkowski for the interruption in
your interview and for wasting your time. We did it,
Oh you mean because of the spill spill. Yeah, that
was a good two minutes of her time wasted. Yeah. Well,
we love you, Jennet Johnson. We love you. And to

(50:08):
be honest, like it was a pretty dramatic reaction from
Tania because it landed on the floor, it sprinkled on
some of the wires, but like, by no means was
it covering the wire just so that everybody knows. I
can't physically see the wires. I can just see her
drink spill over there, and it's very adjacent to all
like my entire cord with Like I'm gonna post a

(50:30):
picture on the Facebook group just so people are aware.
I'm not being dramatic. It's a lot of wires anyways.
Um so that was a really fun interview, Like I
got see us being friends. Should we go over to
maybe hers and JoJo's house and rage in the Jojo?

(50:50):
I think first step? So here's how social cues work. No,
you're gonna tell me, Okay, tell me. So first, all
we have to do is we have to do her challenge.
We'll tag her. We'll do like the Jenna Johnson's mkowsky
challenge and we'll do push ups and a plane and
we'll tag her and we'll create some sort of repertoire

(51:12):
between us and her. Then then we go in for
the for the kill, which is and invite ourselves over.
We go from tagging to inviting ourselves over for sure.
Okay that's just tread lightly. Okay, So, um, I do

(51:33):
know we have an email to read and give some
advice on. So Mark, Oh, thank you so much, Beck,
I'd be happy to chime in with an email from Ashley.
I believe this was the one that didn't get chosen
last week Memories. What a classic moment, all right. I
recently just turned twenty six and my husband will turn
so and we'll be married for six years. We've had

(51:55):
nothing but fun being married. In the conversation of having
kids has come up. We are equally unsure if we
want kids. It's very appealing to both of us to travel,
move to different places and spend our lives together having fun.
But I'm afraid I'll feel avoid in my life if
we don't have kids. Help. What should we do to
be sure one way or the other and be confident

(52:16):
in our decision. This is tough, just because I know
of people who are sure they don't and are sure
they do. It's tough when you're kind of on the fence.
I would just to start off by saying, I know
you do a lot of podcasts, Mark, but when you
say help, like the help I suck a dating podcast
while you're scrubbing in, I feel a little I feel
a little betrayed. That was kind of a shout out

(52:37):
to the suck Army. I have to admit it's kind
of one of my catchphrases. Okay, so do you give
a scrubbing in any shouts helps? Of course we do.
I haven't heard any of those, and our scrubbers are
but I know that our scrubbers if they whenever they
hear anything from any other podcast, they let us know,
Well you should listen to help by Sucker Dating, and

(52:58):
everyone should. It's available. This was not this was not
a spot over here. Well, we do commercials for nine
or two and omg, we'll say promo Cobeca sometimes just
you know, just as a shout out to the star.
Now he's just throwing another one in there. You know what.
Everyone needs to relax and we need to help Ashley. Okay, um, okay,

(53:22):
Actually I have some thoughts on this, but actually, Eastern,
I feel like you should weigh in because I kind
of feel like we've had this conversation about you and
Alison and where you all stand on having kids. Yeah,
you know, I'm trying to think of how to help
um Ashley, because like we're pretty Alison and I are

(53:43):
like i'd say eight don't want kids, but there is
there's you know, it's I think it's impossible to be
sure one way or another. Um. Something we talked about
a lot is UH. Before I say this, I want
to say parents are beautiful and incredible and we are

(54:03):
so grateful for parents. I have parents. I know we
all have parents. They're great. Uh. And being parents to
a young child is a trial that I am not
strong enough to do, and I have nothing but respect
for it. But Alison and I will go out in
public and we'll see like struggling with a young child,
and our first reaction is like, oh good God, we
do not want to be involved in that whatsoever. So

(54:26):
something we talk about a lot is maybe adopting a child.
We talked about that, uh pretty frequently because I do
think it would be enriching to be parents. UM. But
also I don't know. I I just don't think. I
don't think it's for us, and UM, I think the

(54:49):
way you figure that out is uh, I mean you
just imagine the situation and your first reaction, like because
she says, like, I'll be missing out on something if
we if we don't have kids. Uh, I don't feel
that way. I truly don't feel that if we don't
have kids will be missing out on anything. And Alison
doesn't either, So what what my advice is to Actually,

(55:10):
I think you just take a few years and go
do those things you want to do without children, you know,
go travel, uh, you know, move somewhere to do something
disruptive to your life, and then have kids. Because it
does sound like she wants them, right and she's twenty six,
It's like she could have another You have a baby
like fifteen years from now. Yeah, I mean yeah, like
I'm almost thirty four. I mean my life is over,

(55:32):
you know, like it's it's done for me, you know
you're done. Yeah, but actually has some time left on
my cloth? Yeah right, your spermys can last till your
like seventy or something. I promise you. If anyone's done
research on this, yeah it's this girl or year. Well,
I was gonna say, I really relate to this because
actually and I feel very similarly to actually where it's

(55:54):
like that feeling of is that what we want? And
about kids. I mean we've been there for almost four years,
like we talked like but Eastern I do the same
thing when I see like, and I know it's a
different one that's your child and you have a different
level patients. But when I see like a bad kid

(56:14):
or like just to struggle, I'm like, God, I'm glad
that's not me. But you know, I'm still I think
in a selfish sphase in my life where I want
to do what I want to do. I don't want
to have to worry about the responsibility. Like even sometimes
having Phoebe feels like, you know, it's like I have
to find someone to keep her somewhere fer to go
when I travel, and it's like it is a big

(56:34):
responsibility that I don't take lightly. So I totally get
the struggle of wondering will I feel like I missed
out eventually if I don't have kids. So actually I
relate to you. I don't know that I have any help,
but I think Eastern's advice if you can, I mean,
you're twenty six, so I would say, travel, see the world,
do everything you want to do, and revisit this in
a few years and see if you still feel the

(56:55):
same way. Yeah, my knee jerk reaction was to freeze
your embryos because you're married. So twenty six, I think
she's like, she has a few years before she needs
this insurance policy. Freezing embryos costs like fifty grand, doesn't it.
You know, it's actually I don't know how much it costs.
But somebody recently told me. They were like, you should

(57:16):
free your eggs and I was like, I don't want to.
I just don't want to, and she was it's insurance policy,
and I was like, well, when you put it that way,
I think it's very expensive. And I also think the
the you know, keeping them in storage monthly is very well, yeah,
so I'm not that's realistic. I do want to say, though,
as the parent of the quartet here um, I feel

(57:38):
like the most challenging we were talking to Jenna about wedding, sorry,
marriage and relationships, being Jenna Johnson Skowsky, that's the one.
I've never found marriage and relationship to be challenging, but
I do find parenting to be challenging, and I find
that parenting makes your relationship challenging. I feel like that's
the hardest part is the relationship within um parenthood. But

(58:03):
also I've also found that those two three year old
moments where they're having a temper tantrum in public. Those
were nothing. I feel like the real challenging years are
kind of in between. Like my kids are twelve and
fifteen now, so we're kind of in a good place now,
and I feel like we're in a good place. Then
it's kind of in between. It's when you get into
technology and you get into social dynamics their friends and

(58:26):
not bullying in the traditional sense, it's stuff like these
two girls are hanging out without me and posting on
the group chat about it, and now I feel like
they're excluding me, and why are they talking about me?
And those people are laughing at me? And that's that's
the really challenging stuff of being a parent. That's the
real problem area is right in between there. So anyway,
I don't don't let those little kid tantrums deter you

(58:48):
from being a parent. There's plenty of things that can
Those little kid tandrums are nothing. Those are over in
a few minutes of no big deal. But also a
team raising a teenager in these times feels very stressful too.
So like that's what I'm saying. If I'm overwhelmed seeing
a tantrum from a little three year old, then what
am I going to do when it's a sixteen year
old screaming their head off at me being mean to you.

(59:12):
What I Yeah, that's um. You got to really put
your ego aside when you're a parent. And I've not
done a great job of that as a parent, but
you need to. That's the best advice for parents is
remove your ego from the equation as much as you can. Yeah,
that's what my therapist told me about because you know,
Red Star has kids, and she was like, you just

(59:34):
have to completely take yourself out of it because kids
just in general, they're they're gonna go up, they're gonna
go down. They're gonna go up there, gonna go down.
And that's how their relationship is with their with your parents,
you know, like when you're a kid, I remember when
I was a teenager to have moments where you love
your parents and there's moments where you hate your parents.
You know, like everybody has that, but when it's not
your own kid, you get your super sensitive to all

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that stuff, you know, because you take everything personal. And
then I was like, you know what, I'm just I'm
not gonna take anything personal. It's hard to mess them up,
and you will. You have to realize that going in
because we are all messed up by our parents, as
great as they may have been, and mine were great,
but I've got issues from them, and I'm giving issue
to my kids, not even like your parents, Like we

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all get messed up, even like um, I've discovered through therapy,
there was like this one incident in fifth grade just
with my friends at school that like traumatized me. Like
it's still a part of a lot of like triggers
in my life now. And I'm like that one event
in fifth grade at school. You know, I had nothing
to do my family, nothing to my parents. It was
these mean girls at school and so the apple throwers. No,

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that was high school. I was like, so like had
such a hard shell by sophomore of high school, Like
they could have thrown apple and it could have knocked
me unconscious and I would have been fine. I was strong,
but fifth grade I was not the Tanya I was then. So, uh, yeah,
I think everything's gonna mess them up. So yeah, I
don't know that. My therapist actually said that the other day,

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Mark or she was like, no matter how amazing your
parents are, how great of a job they did, there's
still things that they did that affect you now like
no matter what. And I was like, that actually gave
me a lot of comfort and peace, because yeah, it's
that pressure of like if you have kids, are they

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gonna end up having therapy talking about you? Most likely? Probably?
Um so dark but actually when I'm real dark, But
I think it's very true. No, I think it's I've
actually found it like relieving to know that just we're
all humans and were so complicated and different things affected.
Like what if you were raised to be so emotionally

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like your parents were so emotionally available and sensitive to
your feelings, and then you felt smothered. It's like you
can never do it. You can never do it right.
But like, as a parent, you spend so much of
your time and so much energy parenting these kids and
like you're charge of their survival for like a good chunk,
you know, until there wasn't capable of doing stuff on

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their own, you know, and then all of a sudden
they're adults and they like resent you for things. It's like,
oh sounds I like what Mark said though. I think
that's great advice as a parent to put your ego aside,
because you can do everything right by what you think
is right, and it might not be right for your kids.
I have many regrets that I'll always have as to

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how I've reacted to certain parenting challenges over the years,
and I can trace every one of them just back
to ego. So I wish I'd had that lesson earlier.
Ego is such a hard thing to put to the side,
like it's so crazy, it's so crazy. Well to wrap
the email up, Actually, I say, what we were about

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to go on a that could have been a whole
another app We might need to have a whole expert
putting your ego aside, because that's something that I'm trying
to work on right now too through therapy. And it's hard. Yeah,
I mean not ego and feelings. Being a person is hard.
Being a person's hard. The title that episode will be
called Lego my Ego. I'm just I was thinking I

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go to Eastern same page. Um. Actually, I say, you're
so fortunate that you're twenty six. You have time to
do everything that you want to do without the pressure
and timing of having a child. And I think you
do all the things you want to do live your life,
and there might come a time where you feel more
certainty either way, and until then, do your thing. Maybe

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this is stupid. Get a dog, yeah, seriously, Ye see
how how that feels. Because that's a real commitment and
a responsibility, and it limits your social life and limits
you're traveling. It becomes much more expensive. Like give a shot. Yeah,
see how that feels. It's true, and that that seems overwhelming.

(01:03:57):
Try a bunny fish fish, Now that's easy, anybody. Well,
now that's not true, Hamsters, Plants, Plants are very also
very hard for people. Yeah, um, well that note I
love when I say on that note. No, it's nothing
to do with the note that I'm going to go,
speaking of nothing, speaking nothing, speaking of plants, speaking of

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how my plants end up when I try to take
care of him. The podcast is over done, dead over.
We'll continue this conversation next week because I would like
to explore the idea of putting ego and feelings aside
as somebody who has ego but also very strong feelings. Yes,

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yes she does, O case, I'll didn't know. Tanya feels
a lot, a lot. All right, Well, until next time,
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