Off the Scrub with Kaitlyn Bristowe

Kaitlyn Bristowe has made it to the O.R.! We HAVE to ask about the baby/dog name debacle with her ex Jason Tartick, and you won’t believe what REALLY happened!

 

Kaitlyn is rewatching her season of The Bachelorette and opens up about the unexpected emotions that rise to the surface.

Plus, can Tanya get Kaitlyn to try “Calling in the One”??

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scrubbing In with Beca Tilly and Tanya rad and iHeartRadio
and two time People's Choice Award winning podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hello everybody, we are scrubbing.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
In, scrubbing In, Scrubbing.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
We have a very special guest joining us in studio,
Kaitlin Bristow. Okay, we normally say it like, we normally
have our regular episodes on Monday, and then we have
our guest episodes on Thursday. But you're special a Monday guest?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Is it because I've really got nothing going on? And
you're like, we'll just have her as a filler. No, no,
because things are sacred.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
And like our scribbers prefer our Monday episodes because it's
just us. They don't really, I mean, they like guests,
but I feel like that they prefer the ones that
are just us. But we feel like you're a good
enough guest that you belong, like in the mix.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah yeah, because you're there.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you're like a third host.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah yeah, I feel that welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I was just saying, last time you were on the
podcast was twenty twenty two over Zoom.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Wild Time, Wild Time. But why were we still in
Zoom in twenty twenty two?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I don't think we were still into I think it
was just CHITLN was gone. Yeah okay, And I don't
remember what if you were promoting something or if I
was just like, has.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
This thing got to be in the way of our eyesight?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I know, okay, I know, I'll get over.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, twenty twenty two feels like it was yesterday. Yeah, yeah,
I'm scared.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Isn't that crazy? The passage of time really freaks me out.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Okay, wait, I just listened to your podcast when you
were talking about the passage of time, and it got
me feeling anxious about the passage of time because I
don't think about that in those terms. I have a
like a societal fear of aging in terms of like
how my body and face and all that stuff, but
in terms But then I'm like, oh, it's such a
privilege to age, so I go there. But you started

(01:51):
talking about the passage of time that comes along with aging,
and then I was like, I got kind of dark.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
So I'm sorry. I probably did that for a lot
of people. It is dark, though, Like I feel like
there's a glitch in the matrix and like time is
moving faster than normal.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
I think it's getting older because I feel like because
my parents always said that, yeah, because I feel like
we were little and we're like, oh, like the school
year is so long, and now we're like, oh.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
My gosh, it's Christmas tomorrow, you know what I mean. Yeah,
everything happens so fast. I think you're right because my
dad was like, well, wait until you turn fifty, because
I think about how fast my thirties just went. And
I'm turning forty in like two months, which is wild
barely birthday, thank you. And then I'm like, well, then
I'm going to be fifty before you're not, because my
thirties passive us. And then I'm like, it all just

(02:35):
scares me so much. But like you said, it's so
confusing because you're it. I've always focused on like aging's bad,
and then I did this whole like inner child work
retreat and realize like what a privilege to live? What
the alternative? But then it's just also confusing because it's
just it's a lot. It is a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I also, you were saying it was like something that
your grandpa like instilled in your mind, so then your
mom like.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
It was, yeah, it's passed down.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I do think that, Yeah, not so much like my
mom didn't focus a lot on like her looks or anything.
But there is something I wonder with our generation that
I wonder. I wonder if the next generation is either
gonna be way worse or if.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
They'll be more like I think it's because we're seeing
all like on our like social media pages, we're seeing
these twenty year olds with like no pores and like
smooth skin, and they're just like in our feed twenty
four seven are.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Starting skincare at like seven. Yeah, it's it's I just
I'm like, well, I wish I thought of that.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I know, literally I had Doctor Bubber chapstick as my lipstick.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Like we like literally sat in the sun all day.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, you know what is that stuff that? It was
like the like bronze do it like attracted the sun
more Hawaiian Hawaiian tropics or whatever. Yeah, I don't know
it was. It had a yellow top. I don't know. Yeah,
but like I can you said the doctor pepper lips maas. Yeah,
I smelled it when you said that, and I just
smelled the tanning. Yeah that happen, do you guys? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, yeah, it takes memories. Smells like sense of uli.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Is my favorite feeling in the world. And I just
did a deep dive on it. And it's because it
like brings you back to such a simple time. Ye
like when you felt joy. I just got goosebumps. I
just love nostylegia so much. Wait, you brought up your birthday.
Do you have plans? I means to freak you out?
Plan And I feel like forty is so chic.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I really it's Jennifer Aniston.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, it's like the new twenty and I've read so much,
Like so many people that are in their forties. Everyone
talks about how wonderful it is, and so I'm actually not,
like it just sounds so much older, Like my age
sounds serious, but I'm not serious. Yeah, And you know
there's also everyone says like, ah, you do you feel
pressure about where you're supposed to be at? And I
was like, I actually don't, Like I think I'm supposed

(04:49):
to be where I am, but I don't have plans
because I am the worst planner in the world. Like
I am such a tight b person and I need
somebody to just do it for me. There's this girl
who is a company. Her name's Anna. How genius is
this up Anna Away? And she like, does plan to travel?
I need to just contact her because I need to
plan something. Forty is a big deal. Yeah, you have

(05:11):
to plan. I have nothing planned, Hannah, Hannah, help me.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I love Annaway.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
That's a genius, right. Yeah. I would like to do
something like go to Europe. But then I have this
guilt of making people come to Europe for me. I
don't know me start on that.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, with the wedding stuff, that's all. I just felt
guilt the entire time.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah, and you shouldn't. I'm like, I, yeah, you know,
I hear you say that, and I'm like, no, that's silly. Yeah, yeah,
but I feel that. Yeah, it's real.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
But it's funny because if someone's putting in the effort
to go to Europe, it's because they want to go
to Europe. Yeah, to celebrate you.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I hope they just don't feel like they have to.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I don't think it's one thing to go to dinner.
It's one thing to feel like you have to go
to dinner. It's another to feel like you have to
go to Europe.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah. I don't want anyone feel like they have to come,
Like I'll be mad.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
If they don't.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah. Yeah, like I'm not twelve anymore, but I'm I
just want like my favorite people there.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, if you were to do a birthday trip, how
many people does your favorite people entail? Because sometimes if
you get too big, it's like I want like, okay,
it's good.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I want like my childhood friends. Did you say that's
a lot?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah? Oh no, I was not thinking a lot?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Oh wow, Well and then I'm like do they bring
their significant others? And then oh yeah, I don't know.
Yeah I do like their significant others. Okay, yeah, like
very they're also I'm so close with all that. Then yeah, yeah,
yeah I.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Should do like a house in my Orca or something.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Okay, I was thinking about that too, or like the
Bahamas is get some villas. Yeah, like a private chef
or something. Maybe you could do like a happy medium
between Europe and somewhere else. And I wanted to be
like how My girlfriend Penny asked me such a good question.
She goes, well, what what do you want this to
be about?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like?

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Is it about how you're gonna feel? Is it about
like just throwing this big, crazy party? And I was
like no, I actually just want to feel like safe
and happy and be like, oh my god, these are
my people. Yeah, And she's like, well, then you can
do that like in your backyard if you want, true,
which also I would think would be so fun to
do a little long table dinner in my backyard. Yeah,
or rager in your backyard. Rage. I just built a

(07:11):
pool in my backyard so I could have like a
DJ and a pool party. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, you could really get.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Crazy and get in the cold plunge. Yeah, and then
you can have more people.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, I don't know. I know, the possibilities are endless.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Really. It is interesting though, because I every time I've
always thought about the age of forty for some reason,
I think I think I remember Jennifer Annison turning forty,
so like that in my mind she's forever forty, but yeah,
she's not anymore. And so I've always been like, oh
my gosh, I like, don't fear forty because of Jennifer
Anison turning forty. Yeah, But when I think about myself
turning forty, I'm like, oh my gosh, how am I?

(07:44):
How am I?

Speaker 3 (07:45):
It's a trip? Yeah, it's an actual trip. Kisses me off.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I't is that we do have these like.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Even though it's not societal pressures, it's like actual biological pressures.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
That what pisses me off, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I get that, Like that's where I get like annoyed
because I'm like, yes, so I'm thirty seven, about to
be thirty eight, and I'm like in the whole wanting
a baby phase right now, and I'm like, Okay, well,
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Too long because you're geriatric now.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, I've been geriatric for years, so I've got past that.
But it's just like I don't know, that's what like
pisses me off about.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
I know, age is really just that did you freeze
your eggs? No? Okay, did you freeze yours? Yeah? Okay
I did when I was thirty two, and I'm really
happy I did it. But also like like for my
fortieth birthday, I'm getting my fibroids removed, Like how old
does that feel?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Like?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I have fibroids all over my uterus?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Tho, oh, do you have horrible periods?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Horrible?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Like like what's a fibroid?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Do you have an ometriosis?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I don't, I might, but how do they test for that?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
So it's hard to test for, like you basically have to,
like I think you have to for them to know
for I don't know. I'm not going to speak because
I'm not a doctor, but like I got I got tested,
and she's like, you can't know for sure unless something,
And I guess I think it's like you are pregnant.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Are you trying to get pregnant or something. Yeah, I
feel like it's something of course that we have to
like find out the hard way. Yeah, but I am
in so much pain, Like I will lay on the
bathroom floor and like black out from pain, like I'll
see stars because the pain is so bad. I know.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, I'm glad you're getting that taken care of.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, I know, but I'm like, what a forty year
old thing to do, like going in to get my
fabroids moved so that maybe we're not now baby, you're
gonna do that literally like June twenty second, my birthdays
June nineteenth. Honestly, it's smart, I know, because I'm like
I do I do still believe like there's a chance
for me to have a baby. Yeah, I say, Now,

(09:44):
I don't know. Maybe I'll just get a turkey baster.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
And well, That's why I was gonna ask you that,
because since I know I.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Just had a baby, how old is she? Forty? Thinks
jam Jackson had a baby at like fifty two.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Courtney Kardashian she's forty six. Yeah, and her baby is
a year difficult it was for her. It was difficult,
but you know, good things don't come easy.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I feel like since we met, which, by the way,
can you believe now, yeah, a decade has passed since
the season well, I mean actually longer, it'd be like
eleven years since we met, actually coming out eleven years.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, Because I'm rewatching my season of The Bachelorette for
the ten year anniversary, and I thought it would be like, well,
like what a funny time. I'm like sobbing in each episode,
just being like I feel sick. I didn't realize how
much it was going to bring up for me. I
like went to drive somewhere after I was like shaking,
like it's really bringing up a lot for me. Wait
what d I don't know. I think it was just

(10:39):
such a like I was so fragile in that day
being there and so confused, and I like watching it back,
I feel so sad for myself because I was like
really going through it, like I just will never forget
how much hair I lost, and like like I just
was like under so much stress, and I like look
back at it and I'm like, oh, it was that

(11:00):
where like it was it was like the bad guy
who made you feel desired and you were like, yeah,
so crazy, But then there's the guy that you actually
really love and you're like just given, like it's just here,
you go have both and you're like okay, and then
it's fun till it's not. Yeah, and I just I'm like, wow,
I really hurt people's feelings and I really made so
many mistakes, but I would do it the same if

(11:21):
I did it again. And I just like, I don't know,
I want to go in through the screen and like
hug that version of me because I was just going
through it. Yeah yeah, And I just haven't rewatched it.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
I it's probably like when you're like saying that like
the guy that's like bad for you, but you like
the attention, and I'm like we've all been there, yeah,
And like it's in my mind if I had to
like watch that on like an actual TV, I think
it would make me, like really upset too.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, I can't believe how much it actually is bringing
up for me. I'm like, why did I do this
to myself? And then I'm going to interview like some
of the guys after and then I'm like, god, got
myself got how good of a group of guys?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Oh my gosh, she had a really good group of guys.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yes, Ben Higgins one that got away Becca for both
of us, Yeah, Ben, Ben and Jared shared, Yeah, obviously
Nick and Sean and then like ben z Yeah, ben Zorn, Yeah,
ben Zorn, what a sweetie?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
No? Yeah, who else?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
There's one more than I Wasner Tanner, Yeah, that's what
I was gonna say, Yeah, Tanner, Yeah, so many goodies.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Is it weird for you because the season ended with
you getting engaged to Sean? You'll had like a long
how long were you engaged?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Almost four years? Four years, three and a half.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, and then it ends and obviously there's been time,
But is it weird to like transport yourself back into
that space of watching you fall in love with him?

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yes, it's really really strange because it ended on such
a bad note when we did break up, and now
it's obviously time is heals all and like helps, but
seeing just how intense that relationship was and just how
badly it did end, but we had so many great

(12:59):
times to get it's really hard to put myself back
in that position because I'm like, I'd never felt that
way in my whole life. I mean, there was this
guy that I'll never forget and I talk about him
like eight million times on my podcast and I need
to shut up because he was like the one that
got away from me when I was like twenty six.
But I had never felt like that about anyone as
instantaneous as it was with Sean, And so it's so

(13:20):
weird to watch it back because I'm like, wow, yeah,
I've never felt like I've never felt that before. And
it's like sad how it all went down. I guess
I would never, you know, wanted to. It all worked
out the way it of course, but it's still weird
and sad. Can you?

Speaker 1 (13:36):
And you can not answer the question if you've chosen
not to share, But what happened with you guys?

Speaker 3 (13:46):
I think it just was a really like I didn't
realize it was so ugly only at the end because
he was so mad that I moved on really fast.
I think that's where it got ugly got it. But
like the breakup was like no natural, like just like
natural causes. I just didn't feel loved at all. And
I don't think I made him feel loved. I think
it was just a toxic kind of relationship that was

(14:07):
not like hurting people. Yeah, it was e satuation at first, yeah,
but then it was so real and then I don't know,
I just think we were we were building a really
insecure relationship off a really shitty foundation of like no
trust when he had trust issues, Dame, I know. Yeah, Well,

(14:29):
I feel like you learn so much from that, do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Learn from that, so then you bring that into like
everything moving forward, which is kind of a blessing.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
And like last night, I was at this Hulu event
and People magazine brought him up, and I'm like, it's
so funny that we still talk about him ten years later.
But obviously it was such a big part of the
show that everybody watched, and I was like, I wanted
to promote his new gym. I was like, I wanted to, like,
I just feel happy for where he's at in life
and where we're at, and I have a lot of

(14:57):
like compassion and forgiveness for both of us for what
we had to go through. Have y'all talked Yeah, a
little bit, like.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
In a cordial way.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Oh wow, that's amazing, because I think the last time
I talked to you, it hadn't Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Why I held on to anger for quite a bit. Yeah,
but it's so different now. I actually moved into my
new house like a year and a half ago, not even,
and I was going through all these suitcases in my closet.
I was like, I gotta donate some of these suitcases
because why do I have like twenty And so I'm
going through each one and I opened one and it
was like all his stuff. It's so much of his stuff.
And I started sabbing because Tucker's hair was in there,

(15:32):
and the U and the dog. I was like, oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
It was like a little piece of Tucker was still
tucked in the suitcase.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
And it was all of his like tax paperwork, and
I was like, oh my gosh. And so I dropped
it off to him and yeah, yeah, have you sent
his baby a gift? Oh? Should I define? So that's
why my mind went there. But you know, and oh,
my god, I think that would he would be like,
don't He's like, We're good at it's little line passive

(16:00):
as right, yeah, yeah, yeah, except it looked like I'm
being nice.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, but it was cute. It was Taylor Swift she
did it.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I think it was Joan Sophie. Really she sent them
a baby gift. Do you think that's appropriate?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I think that it depends.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
I guess where you are. Yeah, relationship.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I think y'all having cord of conversations just just fine. Yeah.
I was gonna ask though, because you said you moved
on fast from that relationship. Yeah, and then that relationship.
Obviously we don't we will limit how much we speak
of no movie. But do you think because like you
were coming out of an insecure, toxic relationship jumping right

(16:39):
into another relationship, like, do you feel like there was
a part of you that hadn't healed, something that needed
to be healed? One?

Speaker 3 (16:44):
I do it every time.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I do it every time.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
I literally the guy that I was talking about, the
one that got away. As as soon as Sean walked
out of the limo, I was like, he looks like
my ex. He's the one, and I'm going to fix
what I didn't fix in the last relationship, and I do.
I do this all the time. This is your twenty
six year old self. Where is he now?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I'm oh, married with a baby, fit okay before dang okay, yeah, oh,
dang okay.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Wait. So when you say you're gonna fix it, you
couldn't fix before, fix him, or fix the relationship or
fix yourself. Me.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Oh, and like, I'm gonna make it better this time,
and I'm gonna do what I did, and then when
I move on to the next that person has what
that person didn't have it. I'm in such a different
place in my life now where I'm like, oh, I'm
like a whole I feel very I feel the most
confident I've ever felt in my life right now. Yeah.
I don't feel like I need to do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Nice. I'm so happy to hear that hyper independent, which
is like problem is because I'm like I known forever yeah,
or like long distance forever. Like I'm so hyper independent
that my therapist always tells me that's like a trauma
response to So I'm like, god, no, you're.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Something so true because it's so funny. Is I can't
remember I was dating somebody. I was dating somebody who
was like almost fifty and he had never been so
he was single for like the majority of his life.
And my therapist at the time that time I was
dating him, she was like, you get stuck in your
like not single ways, but like when you live so

(18:10):
much of your life independent and single, you create certain
habits that like are hard to break when like because
relationships do come with compromise and like living with somebody
and like you know what i mean, like all that
type of stuff.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
It was like just such an interesting perspective because yeah,
it is a happy medium. Well, and I'm so scared
of like men and I'm just like, what's the next
one gonna do? That shocks me? Like yeah, I always
just like I'm like fully like in I feel like
I'm so like, yeah, I'm always in fight or flight,
which I'm like, I'm so healed and I'm whole, but

(18:43):
I'm also the human and totally feel like I'm protecting
my piece so much to a like fault now at
this point in my life.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's so normal. And also, like
you said, you're a human and like we're flawed and
and if the pattern is persistent. How would do not think?
Like how why wanted this next person do?

Speaker 3 (19:03):
What the poor next person?

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh? Is there a next person right now? I mean
I am.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
I have made it so clear on like social media
and podcasts. I'm like, I just want my dating life
to be a little sacred right now, and like keep
it close because I I just think the minute you
expose a relationship, it invites everybody into obviously have opinions
and you know how it goes. And so I'm like,

(19:31):
I will share when I'm married and like pregnant, be like, hey,
now now you can know. Like I'm just so I'm
keeping it so close.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Oh my wow, I get it. I mean Haley and
I were private for four years because I was like,
I don't feel I just didn't feel like I could
handle any criticism or opinions on it until I was
ready to, and like it felt it was so nice
having it. And then at the same time, it's like
we we share what we want to share, right, we
don't share what we don't want to share, hiding like no, no,

(20:01):
we just didn't.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's what I also feel like, I want to go
back to what you said about what I can't remember
exactly what you said.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
You said, poor next guy or whatever like that. But no,
we do that.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Let's take a break.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
I was about to Tony Robbins your ass.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
All right, we're back. Go ahead, Tony Robbins, Away, Tanya,
Tony Robins.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yea, Tony Robins, you are not not poor next guy.
You are so accomplished. You have so much going for you.
You should be so proud of the person, the woman
that you are and what you've built for yourself and
the next person, the next guy, the next whatever comes
into your life. Is so lucky to be able to
have that and to be able to experience that, and

(21:00):
you should have that perspective because I really believe that
about you, and you should believe it about yourself.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
She's a woman of words.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Really, I'm like, okay, Tony, Yeah, But it's so easy
to like because I've been there. I've been there, like
I always like, I feel like there was so many
and I'm like so mad that for so many years
I was like what's wrong with me? Because I love
so fiercely, or like I'm so embarrassing or like whatever,
and I used to internalize it and I'm like, no,
like the right guy came into my life and he's

(21:28):
like obsessed.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
With all that about me totally, and the internet likes
to guess light me into thinking I'm like the worst,
So I'm like, is it me? Oh, but no, I
agree with you, and I do feel proud and I
do feel like whoever I'm with will be lucky because
I really do believe I am a catch but for
so many reasons. But I also do come with like
such a guarded heart.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
But so does everybody, by the way, Like I honestly,
like I really. What I've also realized is like every
single person has some sort of issues that they are
dealing with from like their childhood. Even if you grew
up in like a perfect loving home, like you have
issues from like the school, playground.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Or like whatever.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Everybody's carrying something. Yeah, I'm just laughing because I just
thought of like these mean girls in the fifth grade
I got in this fight with like all the girls
turned against me. I can't even remember why. But whatever
age you are in the fifth grade, like ten, I
don't know, yeah, eleven, and they all turned on me
and they all chanted your butt's as big as a garbage.

(22:26):
I'm like, and I'm like, I laugh. But I remember
going home and sobbing, yeah, because of what I'm like.
I was literally like thirty pounds soaking web. But they
were telling me my butts said, I feel like I'm
high right now.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
You should make that like put a little jingle behind
it and make it a little chant on off the vine.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, just like. And I heard those girls listen and
they're like, oh, it's me.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I bet they listen to everything you do and watch everything.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Really scary is I posted a TikTok and somebody on
a like it was like a no picture, Yeah, yeah,
of course apple, use are nine eight whatever? And they
were like, I can't I can't believe they've made this
girl famous. I used to work with her at Cactus Club,
and I'm like, oh, you're the scary ones because you
like know me and I've probably been nice to you
and we work together. And I always think about that.

(23:14):
With really nasty people, sometimes I get like the worse
kind of messages and I'm like, like, do I know
you from school or something? I don't know what's scarce.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I'm curious why it is. It is like profoundly strange
to me. Why you get such like mean comments and
messages because I think what it I think where I
get confused is that there's been so many people since
you were on the show who have been very confident
and like about their sexuality and been bold and like,

(23:46):
you know, you kind of changed the game in the
Bachelorette world yea, in bachelor world in general, but like
without you, those girls would not be able to like
freely say, but you're the one who gets like so much,
I can't you can't do anything.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
It's really crazy. It's I mean, the misogyny in this
world is so real first of all, and so I
can't do anything right. But it's yeah, it feels like
but I'm like sad for those people that are so mean,
Like well, yeah, I mean, it's it's actually sad. But
I was thinking about that because I'll never forget just
getting like absolutely slutshamed from my season and just like

(24:20):
people like i'got about it that I can't wait till
I get to the mentel All episode when Chris Harrison
reads the mean tweets that I get, like from people
on the internet and they were like, shut your whore
legs and die in a dumpster, like I got it bad.
And then Hannah Brown was like I had sex four
times in a windmill and like doing this and the
crowd goes wild, and I was like part of me

(24:41):
was like oh, and then part of me was like, no,
that's awesome because I like that that changed the game. Yeah,
I like that. People will celebrate her now for that. Who,
by the way, is guest bartending on this season?

Speaker 2 (24:52):
I just saw that she last night. Yeah she is. Yeah.
I was like, what happened to wo Wells too? He's
the main PARTI chage Bubbly.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I guess yeah, oh wow.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I know.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
I was like, what crazy?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
But I so my question for you is that you
are so vulnerable you share things that because I was
listening to your podcast about the dog name stuff and
it's like you you preface it, which I know I'm
gonna get a lot of hate for this, Yeah, but
you still do it knowing you're gonna get hate. But

(25:30):
you also struggle with anxiety and like the stress of it.
So how do you? I guess my thing is like
I would just have to get off social media.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
I think yeah, I did a little bit actually after
that because I knew, yeah, You're like, I'm gonna drop
this and then I'm yeah, exactly in Tutulu for a week. Yeah,
I knew, I just knew. I mean, it's it's all
the I feel like it's a lot of like mothers
who think he's the perfect son, and they like think

(25:58):
I'm this degenerate like yeah, being crazy and but people
are looking for something to like be mad at me
for all the time. So it's like an easy If
I do something and I know I'm gonna get hate
for it, it's like they're like, oh, yes, we get
to hater for it. So I mean the love that
I get and the DMS is so nice and like

(26:19):
because for some reason, the hate the haters and the
crazy trolls are so loud, and then the people who
are normal and loving aren't going to comment on these things.
They're gonna maybe just send me a DM and be
like hey, that's pretty fed up and like here for
you and like we love you.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
B Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
It's always so I'm like I want to avoid the dms,
but at the same time, it's nice to feel validated
by some people Warner, which is sick, but yeah, I
just not silly. It's like they it's weird because it is.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
It's like there there are these people that you don't know,
so it's like you should we shouldn't care what they
think about us, whether it's good or bad.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
But the the I don't want to say the prey,
but like the thumbs up and like the encouragement is nice.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, it's like, if you're gonna care about the bad ones,
then why not care about the good ones? Yeah, Like,
if anything, I wish I could focus more on the
good ones unless, like I.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Try, I've got I've actually gotten better at that. Yeah,
I feel like I'm like, instead of I used to
always call it shopping for pain, instead of like going
looking for these mean comments and like harping on them,
I actually now go looking for like love and support
and try and have conversation with those people instead. Yeah,
And it's so much more fulfilling.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
If if I open my DMS and I see like
one negative thing, I'm like, okay, I'm off. I'm just
really logging off for the day, or not looking at
my DMS.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
You know, somebody DM me last night and they were like, uh,
you have such a lazy eye. Maybe I do too,
Could you help me with that? And I'm like, bro,
I just like google the picture of a lazy eye
and I sent it back and I went, that's a
lazy eye. I have one eye that's smaller than the other.
Would you like to talk about that instead? Like people

(27:59):
are just so I find it so funny, though, what.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Are they just looking for connections? So they're like, let
me be mean.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
So I think they've heard me talk about it before
where I used to like not hand out my school
picture in the fifth grade because I thought my eyes
were so like wonky and so can we You used
to hand out your photos? No, I used to not
have Oh yeah, what you never wrote on the back
like stay cool? No, why did you do?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
What had your book? Yeah? You didn't like my family.
I guess my family got the thing for me.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I'd never had it, like.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
You kept them in your wallet or something.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, like I would have so my all my friends
would like give me their school photos and I'd give
them mine and we'd sign the back saying like stay
cool but spell it like kati w Yeah. Yeah, I'd
had them on book on the wall in my room
and I had all my friends Oh yeah, yes your
book to Oh maybe that's like the bulletin board. So
funny heard that I had a bulletin board.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, I had one too, It just had I don't
even like picture of Leonardo DiCaprio from Titanic on it. Yeah, primetime, literal, primetime. Yeah.
I just I find it. I find it strange that
you and it's it's it seems to be centered around
this is what bugs me. It seems to be centered
around men and your relationship and breakups. But then if

(29:11):
I talk about it, I'm whatever, if I'm taking attention.
I was also I was gonna say, it's so crazy
because you go on podcasts and of course people are
going to ask you about it. So the options or
you either go, I don't want to talk about it,
which is not fun for a podcast hosts, or you
go you talk about it in in the most gracious
way that you can while being honest, and then people
are like, why is she still talking about this? I

(29:32):
know it's like you can't win.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Totally world that.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I live in that I've just accept I've accepted that.
I'm like, like, even somebody asking me at the event
last night, like they're like, I'm with people. Magazine can
ask you a few questions. I was like, we're going
because I knew what it was gonna be. Yeah, it
was just you know, the breakups are hard, and your
last podcast you talked about this this, and I was like,
but I also said in the podcast that I never

(29:57):
wanted to talk about again. Yes, done, I'm it's in
the past and the only X I want is extra money.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Members.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Do you know that TikTok trend? Like that? It's like
if you'd done with your ex, move on to the next,
and it's like, oh my god, now you'll hear it
all the time. I'm I can't stop listening to it,
and now that's just my theme.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I had never seen her say that on the podcast,
and I thought, hmmm, how do we bring this up?
Because when we talked about it on the podcast about
the name thing.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, I'm sorry that story. I think I sent that
to like every person in my contacts.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
I was so validated by all the right people, but
it was again just the people that hate me that
are gonna be like, it's a dog name. I'm like, yes,
And we had talked about it so many times, Yeah,
like it was my it's it's messed up. But I
also like, yes, you're right too, both can be true.
That is a common dog name, right, and it was

(31:02):
the number one. We went on getting Ash's podcast saying
that that was like, you know, it's just it's just
messed up. Yeah, no, it really is.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Like I remember when I saw that story, I literally
sent it to like every single person that I know
on the planet, like this is the craziest thing.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, did it feel like it was like a job
to hurt you?

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Or like, because I'm so confused, because my thing is like, did.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
He if it's something?

Speaker 3 (31:25):
But if it's somebody mean?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
But I'm saying if it's something, but I'm saying, if
it's something that y'all talked about, did he think that
you want it bring like I guess that you wouldn't
bring it up at some point?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, I think maybe I think it's hard because I
think I think he knew I would bring it up,
and I think that would get more traction to his page,
and that's essentially what he's been going for lately. So
I'm thinking maybe that was the reason. There's no way
he forgot, Like, there's no way. No, it was like

(31:58):
a very it was like five year conversation. Yeah, So yeah,
I'm not sure I would.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
But you know what, I also think too. I think that,
and this is no slight against anybody. I do think
sometimes in breakups, like you can be petty. People can
be petty. Sometimes breakups bring out.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
The worst, the worst version of yourself. Yea.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
So maybe that was done in like a moment of
just like pure like anger, pettiness or whatever.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
But it's just it was wild.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
That was like wild for me.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah it was really.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
But now I supposed to show you cannot share your
baby names you like a lot, especially not with your fan.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
I literally was coming out of a weekend therapy retreat
in Nashville, this place called on Site. Oh my god,
I got to do equine therapy with horses, and I
literally like saw that as I came out and got
my phone back, and I was like, wow, the timing
is so crazy to practice everything you had just learned.
I was literally like, but part of me was like

(33:04):
it made me feel sorry for him because I'm like,
there is a reason for that. A lot of things
he does, in my opinion, is calculated. I'm like, this
is sad. That's sad.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
So you know, they say sorry, go ahead. The opposite
of love is indifference. Yeah, you know it's not. It's
not hate because there's passion like that. It's it's all
rooted in love and hurt and pain. And as soon
as you just don't care, that's how you know when
you've moved on. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I'm yeah, I definitely am through the hate phase.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, you just seem shot by the by the well
yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Moving forward, do you feel like you want to not
date someone in the public eye or do you still
like not care It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
No, it doesn't bother me. Okay, it's I mean if
that's like their number one priority and they're like, here's
what I don't want. Like, is a a man that
like sneezes into a transition into like a different outfit
and like has a like I'm like picked out by
I'm picked out by like a lot. Yeah, yeah, it happens,
but by like certain people on social media. And I'm

(34:16):
sure I ick people out so hard on social media too,
but like that's just a preference for me. I find
it a turn off when guys like do transitions not
just specific, but I get it, I get I get
the picture you're painting like I can like see it. Yeah. Yeah,
but there's like Andrew from Bachelor World, Spencer and Greg.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Do it so well. Oh they're so funny.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Make me laugh so hard. That's funny to me. It's
just the like, I don't know. I think, as long
as you're like an authentic person, I don't care if
you're in the Publicuy, I don't care what you're doing. Like,
here's the thing, some people like that, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, Like I'm like if Robbie posted a photo at
the gym, like even like I would like I would,
I would.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
I don't know what I would do.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I don't know. I don't think you from him at all.
You know, I never pretty locked in.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I'm very locked I think in the beginning, like in
the beginning of when we were dating, if he had
any sort of social media presence, I feel like it
would like have thrown me off a little bit.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
It's funny because I'm so contradicting though too, because then
I'm like posting a bikini photo like I'm like, but
that I do it too, Yeah, Like I'd be picked
out of myself.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Right, here's the thing. It's not fair. It's not fair,
but some things are for the girls. Yeah something, and
that's just what it is.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
And I know people have opinion.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
About that, but it's just the facts. Like Becca Moore,
you know, all her stuff for the girls, where she's
like blankets are for the girls, Like why do you
need a blanket? Like that's the same thing with the
true social media transition. It's true.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
It's true. It's so true with that. I also am
like one of those people that I'm like, I get it,
that's not fair, but it's true.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
It's not fair.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
So what Okay, Well, this is really exciting because you
are turning forty, so you have like a whole new decade.
What is next decade? Or you look like like are
you living in Nashville? Are you doing what you're doing?
Like what are your ambitions?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Your goals?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I can't wait to hear about that after this break.

(36:30):
All right, we're back. So Tanya said, you're going into
a new decade. Yes, I have a question before you
start talking about that, because I want to talk about
Spade and Spars because you started your company. How long
ago was that?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
That was in twenty like seventeen?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
So crazy are you at a point now? And I
don't know if you want to share this, but like,
are you making because I know, starting a company like that,
and like you just put as much effort money and
then you don't see anything for like a minute. Are
you at the point where you're making im?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
And then now I'm like the alcohol business is so
hard and it's so like I wish I there's obviously
the benefit of hindsight, like I wish I did certain
things differently, but like Target, for example, I was starting
to get into all these targets and it was really
starting to go. The problem is with wine. Wine sales

(37:24):
are down like I don't know, I want to say,
like fifty two percent or something like it's insane alcohol
in general, but wine and beer specifically, because everyone is
being told on the internet like this is going to
kill you, like sugar, yeah, although like refine you anyways.
And so I feel like alcohol sales are down and
Snoop Dogg right now is selling his wine for like

(37:45):
two dollars everywhere because everywhere is just sitting on so
much inventory for wine, and so I'm feeling so defeated
in that way because I'm like, yeah, I'm like you
know what things go through their ups and downs, and
I'm I'm no matter what happens, I'm like so proud
of Spade and Sparrows and that whole brand because so
many people work with other alcohol companies and they can

(38:06):
have the best distributors from working with this and they
get to like throw these big events. But everything I've
done is like from my own money had to Like
I was a cold calling people to get to people
in touch with people at Target, Like yeah, I and
I don't have good I can say this because I'm
not with them anymore partners Like I did not have
not my business partners. I mean the like production facilities

(38:28):
and stuff. They just like stopped caring because sales were down. Yeah,
And so now I'm trying to just like pivot and
find ways because I mean, it's so good. The wine
is so good. It is low sugar and people still
but I still have my wine club, Like it's not
we're not drowning over here. It's fine. It's just yeah,
wine sales are tough right now.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
It's true though, It's like the stock so you go,
there's ups and downs, and it's like right now it's
a try, like I'll not.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Leave what they're told. Yeah, people are being told, hey,
alcohol is going to kill you. It's then it goes viral,
so they never wants to go viral. So everyone's talking
about how bad talks and alcohol and it's going to
kill you because it's going viral right now, and people
just believe what they're told. I know.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I'm actually trying to get better about that because like
I'm like one of those people. I'll see something on
Instagram and like I'll just like, I'll believe it.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Vegetables anymore. Yeah, it's like they're gonna kill.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Me, dumb, like I can so are gonna kill us?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Apparently they're not organic. Yeah, my kidding, I'm kidding. Oh
it's crazy, Okay, forty decades. Yeah, yeah, I've always been
like this manifesto, I make vision boards, I always have
a plan. I'm always like this is what I want
to accomplish. I don't have anything in forties. Like, I'm
just like I want to just feel happy anytime I

(39:36):
see eleven eleven. I used to be like I will
win Dancing with the Stars, like I'm but I did
and then I did, so you'd think I would have
some more goals, but I'm like just thinking about I
always think about how I want to feel. I'm like,
I want to enjoy how hard I've worked and that
I'm like where I'm at. I want to enjoy where

(39:56):
I'm at and not push myself. Like I have this
big thing coming up that I can't even talk about
because it's a whole thing. I was at the Hulu
event last night because we were supposed to announce something,
but it's getting pushed and so I can't talk. I
can't talk about it, and it's so tough because I'm like,
because that could be a really big thing that happens.

(40:17):
But really, I my podcast means everything to me. I've
been doing it for eight years, and yesterday was the
first time in eight years I didn't release an episode
because I'm rewatching and I'm just having to go through
some hoops with ABC and Disney and Warner Brothers to
get the footage. And I'm like, oh God, everyone's gonna

(40:39):
turn on me. My O TV family is everything to me.
They're going to be like, well, I'm done, because you
have to be so consistent with podcasts. Yeah, and like
for my forties, like, I'm just I just want to
like elevate the conversations. I want to have these guests
on that are going to make me like, like fill
everybody's cup. I'm I like to I like to have
deep conversations, and like I like to have the reality
TV people on once in a while, and you know,

(41:01):
I love having musicians on. But I'm like, I just
want I just want to keep going with that so
much because I love it. I've never been so passionate
about something in my life as my podcast. So I
feel like that maybe a few more dogs. I would
love to have a baby one day. Healthy marriage. I
feel like forties, maybe maybe the time for that next
phase in life.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, does does? Because you were saying how you've gotten
so hyper independent? Yeah, what does it look like for
you to because obviously going from hyper the hyper independent
mentality to marriage is like there's a bunch of space
in between there.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah is that men?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I told you that earlier. Yeah, I just to date
a girl for a second.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
I wanted to so badly, I really did. I thought
it was my time, and I mean maybe I still could.
I think I just like want somebody who also who
like loves the independence that I have and like I
I know that like codependency and relationship can also be cute,
like to a certain degree, and I want like, I'm

(42:08):
sorry that is so it's the Kanye West.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Oh yeah, then get really.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Where am I Codependency could be cute? Oh yeah, it's cute,
Like I want. I just want somebody who is also
independent and like we just do our own thing and
then we come back together and we just I don't know,
I just have this vision, and maybe I should not
be so specific on my vision, but I do think,
you know, I'm just I'm happy in this dating world

(42:36):
that I'm in right now, and I'm happy doing it privately,
and I have like a lot of hope.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I do.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Best thing, a little bit of hope. I'm gonna leave
you with something. Okay. Oh god, she's crossing her hands.
Thank you? Why I was doing it? Have you read
this book called Calling in the One?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (43:00):
It's first of all, it's more than just about It's
more than like a dating book. To me, it felt
like therapy in a book. Like it's like, do you
like homework and stuff? Yeah, I think you're gonna love it.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Okay, it's seven weeks. Every day there's like I'll get
it for you.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I would love nothing more than to send it to you, okay,
And I like it was like I had major breakthrough
moments doing this book.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Do you still do it if?

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Like what if hypothetically speaking, you already called in? What
if I've already called one in and I just wouildll
it reaffirm or like validated. It's not even that because
I did it.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I met my now husband before I finished it, and
I finished it while we were in our early stages
of dating. But it was just like it helped me
like get rid of so much stuff that I've just
toxic stuff that I was just doing in general patterns.
It made me see patterns and stuff in my life.
But I just yeah, anyways, it really was like game changing.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
It's stuff like cleaning out space in your closet for
a person, cleaning getting rid of like old packs.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
That you maybe had with liketners from your past or whatever.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah. Yeah, oh yeah I could. Yeah, I have a
you know what, my like DNA makeup, and I found
out I'm a generator and all the stuff come all
into that. There. She said, my life purpose is to
learn how to let go. And I was like, because
I was like, wow, that is that feels true. Yah,
it's very true. Yeah, I will take that book also,

(44:22):
just I don't know why I talk about X when
I'm with you Becca, But it's faked out.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
My danglely feet right now, like that they don't touch the.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I hate that too, and I got upset.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I'm like immediately uncross them.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
But we have I have trash can underneath mind that
I usually have my feet up on because I like,
I can't.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
I can't seat at the bar at my hotel and
his feet were dangling and I was like, ew, yeah,
it's gross. I can't.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's weird what like triggers that for for some people,
and some people that don't have that don't understand and
they're like that's so mean. I'm like, it's not mean.
It's just like it's what happens to my brain when.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
You do like a lot of like press or like
TV press and they have like on those stools. None
of those stools have.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
A place for you to like put your ankles or
like hey put your feet on. So yeah, you have
like dangly feet and on.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Okay, yeah, the dangly feet. I don't know. Yeah, even
iack myself out a lot actually, like I I do
you know the app Marco Polo. So it's this app
where you can like talk to your friends. It's like
a video chat and you can watch it live. Like
if I hit record right now on the Marco Polo,
my girl can be like, Okay, let's talking to me
and then watch it live, or you can watch it
later and like respond back. And I talked to two

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of my best friends on it every single day. And
last night I'd had a few glasses of wine and
I decided to send her a Marco Polo about the
Hulu event last night and all the things that went
down and people that were there. And I was eating
chicken tendis and fries and while talking and she was like, oh,
your polo last night it was gold, like you told

(45:52):
me so much inside info. And I went back to
watch it and I was like, ah, I couldn't even watch.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I was so grossed out by myself chewing it, don't
you yes?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
And I couldn't. I honestly hate the sound of myself
drinking water. I hate the sound of myself chewing like
I annoy myself. It's not so I'm like I feel
better about it that I'm not just the figure. So
like you, I know I have to get this app.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
By the way, I knew I could see your wheel.
I was like, put to Caitlin, please stop telling her
what this is.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
It's the best I want my best friend since I
was like, you see you when they've watched it. Yeah,
oh my gosh. You can see when they watched it.
You can see if they're there live watching, you can
like live react to it. I should get paid by
Marco Polo because I talk about this app all the time.
It's I feel about that book.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
I'm like, I have probably sold so many of these
and myself I bought Amazon.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
No.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Oh yeah, I'm just happy to give them, happy to
give the yes, paying it forward, Yeah, paying for exactly totally.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Okay, I have a question that I want both of
you to answer. It's a critical thinking question. So I'm
going to give you four things and you can choose
one of them that you're the best at, and then
the other three you're the worst at.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Okay, Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
The things are beauty, brains, talent, and charisma.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Oh, charisma for me, brains interesting joking kiss Like not
what I expected. I was going between brains and charisma.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
What is that the fourth one? Talent, beauty, brains, and charisma.
I said, what a great question. So I started following
this girl who she was talking about how she loves
critical thinking questions because she gets so like she hates
small talk and she loves like when people can talk.
That she just met and they asked her something that's

(47:44):
like profound. So I just started going to her videos
and I was like, that's such a good question to
ask one because I thought about it for a long
time because I was like, brains, Like, you're smart, so
you can outsmart things. But I think charisma every time.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
I think talent. If you ask me, I'm joking. I
actually don't think I have any of those. You charisma,
yes you do. I don't think I have charisma. I
definitely have charisma.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
You have all of those, but the whole thing is
like hype. You can only choose one and then you're
the worst at the others.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I'm definitely going with charisma. I'm I'm pretty talented, though, what.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Do you ever have? Have you ever? I know that
we talked a lot about you, like you've talked a
lot about wanting to host like Dancing with the Stars,
and is there ever, I know that's probably still on
the list. I was.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I was with Alfonso last night and I was like, oh,
you have my dream job. We literally spent one hour
on my golf swing at this Hulu event, just like
him and I just practicing like the golf swing. I
was like, what are we doing? Okay, but he has
my dream job. But they are so good that that
that is kind of like a pipe dream maybe down
the road. I don't see it happening anytime soon because

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they are so good. Julianna and Alfonso are so good.
But like I do love hosting. My dream job is
to host a TV show for sure.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah yeah, but you loved you loved Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I was like, well, I if I could just live
there and just hang out with them all the time.
I loved it so much. It was hands down the
hardest thing I ever did, and then also hands down
the most memorable thing I ever did. And like, I
feel like everybody speaks so highly of that show.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Oh it loves me.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yeah, it's so hard, like the work you put in.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Nobody.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
I was with Danny how do you say his last name? Amadella?
Andla what Emmondola he's gonna be like, thanks a lot, Kaylen.
We were with him in Miami for one night. We
had a drink with him and he was talking about
how hard it is. He's like, you do not know
what you're signing up for, but once you get in it,
if you're a competitive person, you're like, I'm going out
there with like cracked ribs and like just still doing it.

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And I should have been out of the competition for
because they're like the doctor told me at one point,
They're like, I don't think you should continue dancing, like
you're really doing damage to your body. And I was
like I don't care.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
I want to win. And you just you really it's
like eight hours a day and you get one day
off and it's a long show. You get so into
it and the crew and the producers and the whole
all the stars are just so amazing. I just love
it so much. The last night and I was like,
have you met me?

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Have you met Riley Arnold? Yes? Okay? Speaking of no
poor like when she came. She came as a guest
and we were staring at her and we were like,
shouldn't have pores on her face?

Speaker 3 (50:23):
I will after. This is Emma's makeup from last night.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Oh, I've always admire this is a skill that you have.
It is, this is talent.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
I woke up like Lipline are still on, I don't know,
I won't happen. I was like, and I went, that'll work.
I literally was staring at your eye makeup like, yeah,
she was amazing. She was like, Wow, she has a
really good job and like doing it herself. No, this
is all Emma. I just sleep like a vampire. It's great.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
I just put a little powder under my eyes and
a little more lip gloss on cold. It probably looks kind.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Of dirty, but you don't really have any pores either.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Well they're covered up.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
But back to Riley.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
I saw her also on Your Guys podcast and I
was like, she is the cutest, sweetest, most innocent little
thing I ever met in my life.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Precious, Oh precious is the perfect word for her. She's
Polly Pocket. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I have two questions and we're done. Who's been your
most impactful guest that you've had on off the Mine?

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Oh? Mel Robins had really Oh my gosh, she changed
my life. Oh yeah, she was amazing. Also, I had
Jay Shaddy on, but it was during zoom times and
I'm so mad I didn't get to just like breathe
in his presence and like smell him. Yeah, but his
conversation with me and mel Robbins, because I feel like
I didn't even need to like say anything, Like she

(51:40):
just sat there and like it's like I went to church,
Like I just sat there being like yeah, wow, yes,
and she calls you out on certain things.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
What was the video she called you out when you
said something and she was like, no, I can't.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
She was like, I think you need to talk to
your therapist about that. I was like, oh, but I
like that, Like she's just so real and it was yeah,
definitely Meil Robins.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, okay, who's your pipe dream guest to have on the.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Pop Bradney Spears? Oh wowow do you imagine? I mean
she could still for that long. But yeah, that's like
my unrealistic one. Maybe a realistic one.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Oh gosh, Chelsea Handler was up there for me and
I got to talk to her and that was amazing. Yeah,
I don't I don't know. I talk about this all
the time, and now I forget all the people I
buckle under pressure.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
There's zero pressure here.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah, literally pressure, the opposite of pressure. Yeah, maybe like
one of the Kardashians because I just want.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
To like know, yeah, how they do?

Speaker 3 (52:39):
You know they do? I'd love to have one of
them on too.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I would love to have one of them if we
could be if it could be just like real and
raw and not.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Like yeah, like if they can come in in sweats
with no makeup and just talk about like the real
like like if they have diarrhea or like like yeah yeah,
like yeah, the stuff that you would never know because
they're always so put together. I bet they have diarrhea,
do you think?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I don't sure.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Chloe does, yeah, and Courtney and Courtney.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yeah let me poo. I don't know about him.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Yeah, Kim's a robot. I would like to know how
to be a billionaire. That's what I would ask her.
How do you get to be a billionaire? I don't
know if I want to be a billionaire. I don't
think I want to be a billionaire, Like why do you?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
And then you have and then everything you have to
question every relationship. Are they just my friend? Because I
have billions of dollars and.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
You don't need it. You don't need to do with
a billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I would just get you have to give it away
for it to be even like ethical. Yeah, you know,
but they don't be doing that, Caitlin. We love you,
thank you for coming in the studio a TikTok or something,
so yeah, can you do that? You can teach us,

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but it's hard.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
It Actually I finally got it yesterday and I was sweating,
like I was sweating learning to do that.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
What if you're doing we're just staying hype you up and.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
The Yeah that works. I'm horrible with TikTok or we
can find one that we're all.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Good Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think there's something we can do.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
We love you so much. We're so happy for you.
I'm so happy for the place that you're in and
love the person that you are and can't wait, can't
wait to see what forty the forties bringing. Yeah, because
I feel up until then you has brought you a lot,
Like I feel like the thirties brought you a.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Little really good to a lot of ups and a
lot of downs.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
That's like, yeah, yeah, you lived a lot of life
in your thirties.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
I lived a lot of I think I've lived like
a hundred different lives in my life. Every time I
tell my girl, my girlfriend cat a story, she's like,
of course, that happened to you, Like I just so weird.
Things happened to me all the time. Yeah, but yeah,
thanks for having I don't want to leave.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Next man.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Now I'm really done.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Talking to it. We put a cap on the finale
of all things in the past.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah bye.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
It's being left in the thirties forever.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah bye bye.