Scrubbing in Paradise with Susie Evans

Susie Evans is back from her 24 hours on Bachelor in Paradise and she came straight to the O.R.! Susie is filling in for Tanya and she’s ready to spill ALL the tea from the beach!

She reveals what it was like seeing Justin Glaze in Paradise and what the vibes were like just before they went on… did they do a “friend divorce” when they broke up??
Susie opens up about her decision to freeze her eggs and why the process affected her mood in Paradise. 

Plus, will she get back together with Justin?? And would she have accepted a rose from a Golden contestant?? 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scrubbing in with Beca Tilly and Tanya rad and iHeartRadio
and two time People's Choice Award winning podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in. I don't know if
you could tell, but that is not Tanya. We have
a special guest filling in for Tanya as my co
host today, we.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Have Susie Evan.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm glad to be here.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Thank you for joining.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I was like, I knew Tanya was going out of town,
and I thought, who would I want to chat with
for around forty minutes? And flattered, I know, And I
also was like, I don't know, really, your freedom of
being able to chat right now, right now? Yeah? So
I reached out with fingers crossed and it worked out.
So I'm so happy you're here.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Me too, I know. My manager was like, do we
need to get this approved? We should we just do it?
I was like, I feel like we should.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Like I'm such a rule follower again, It's like we
should do we should just find out And then they
were like.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, of course. I was like, great, Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
They're pretty strict with their rules, yeah they be.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I'm just so scared of like getting sued every day.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I know, Yeah, I was. I really lived with a
lot that fear for a long time. Literally, I would
say five years in I was still scared they were
gonna sneak. Did I do anything?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
I don't think so, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I feel like I constantly feel guilty.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
I'm like, can they like go back through my posts
in every interview for the past five years and search
for something?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I don't know?

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Maybe, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
You've had a whirlwind.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I've had a whirlwind. I'm fine now.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I wasn't fine for a little bit, but I'm like
totally fine.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Now what was it?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Was it just the anxiety because I was watching your
Instagram stories and it was like friends and it was
just like dark dark time. But I was thinking, I
remember that feeling of And I don't know that anyone
can understand unless you have had a specific like reality
TV experience, right, specifically a dating reality TV experience. Yes,

(02:05):
so real, because you are not in control over what
they show in terms of what what scenes or conversations
you had or clips that you where you said certain things.
So you're just really hoping for the best for the best.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, and I will say I've had both times the
show aired I was. I was super anxious about it,
and this time, I would say even more so than
the first time, even though I would say the first
time there was way more room for like chopping things
up and like making me look a certain way, and
I was just kind of like, well, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
But it was still anxious, but.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
This time it was literally I was there for twenty
four hours, and the anxiety I felt from leaving until
it airing like I have not been this anxious since
I literally gone anxiety medication in twenty eight when I
thought I would, like I literally convinced myself that I
was dying. No I know, and and that was like
like staying up late like panic attacks like that was

(03:09):
like my pre bachelor era, and literally my life got
so much better. I like went to therapy, you know,
dealt with anxiety, and I'm like, I'm I'm a champ
at this, Like I have the tools and my toolkit.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
No I didn't. I didn't have the tools.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
So it was like, really, I don't know why this
time in particular, it was so there was so much
anxiety about it for me.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I also think there's something about being naive going into
a situation, and you literally kind of said, like, we'll
see what happens. And it's kind of a care free
attitude because you really don't know what to expect. You
don't know till you know. Yeah, And so this time
you knew there was like a very big storyline I

(03:52):
know going in that you knew really right.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, I didn't think it would be This is where
I was naive going in.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I didn't think it would be that big of a deal.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Like I knew there was gonna be a little bit
of like ex drama whatever. But me and Justin were
so like before we went, we were like in no contact,
and then we both knew that the other one was
probably gonna gok. We reached out right before the show.
We had a conversation, what's you know, fair to talk about?
What's not fair to talk about? There's so much love
there that we were like, we don't want to hurt

(04:23):
the other person, Like we don't want to like air
out and nobody wants their dirty laundry eared out, Like
nobody wants to like talk about, you know, the things
that didn't work in a relationship. So we were just like,
let's just like protect each other, go have fun. It's
like kind of I mean, for most people, once in
a lifetime experience and it's like just so fun.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I did not think it would like blow up the
way that it did.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I just was like, yeah, whatever, Like again, it was
naive to think, I guess, but I was like.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yes, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
You were pretty emotional, like right off the bat that
we saw, I guess in the conversation with him, And
were you shocked by that or did you know that
it was going to be emotional coming in and being
in like a dating environment with him.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
I think, well, okay, So I mentioned this on a
different podcast as well, nixt podcast. I feel like this
is kind of where it is like up to the
discretion of the show to show what they want. Like
I I feel like it looks like I was just
like so sad and I was like, oh, like this
is really hard, but like I feel like I showed

(05:26):
up and I was like.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Last actually, it's like I was so ready to have
fun and then everybody was like, you know what, it's
actually been such a long day and like we're just tired,
and I was like wait, I was like I just
got here.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Like everyone's tired, everyone's going to bed. I was like,
people are out on a date, and like people are
bummed because their guys got taken on dates. And I
was like, nobody wants to like have fun right now.
Everyone's like waiting to get told that we can.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Go to bed.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
And I was literally, by the way, I got picked
up from my hotel at nine thirty pm, Oh dang, yeah,
And so I don't know what time I arrived there,
and but I just know everyone was tired, and I
was like, what the heck.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
I was like, I want to play, like I literally
want to like come have fun.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
And I was like I came in on such a buzzkill,
and I think I realized very quickly. I was like, okay,
there's like three dudes here like that, because two of
the guys were out on a date, and so I
was like, okay, there's literally Dale, my ex, my ex's
friend Jonathan, which he's my friend too, but like you.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Know, off limits.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
And then who.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Else was Oh Spencer, And I was like Spencer very
obviously like locked in. I felt like dam I felt
like locked in. I was like, he's not even look
in my direction.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Dale seemed kind.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Of locked into and I've met Dale three times before
and he's never remembered me. So I was like, I
don't think he's interested. Yes, I'm pretty sure. Even on Paradise,
it was like nice to meet you, and I was like,
I posted a picture with you on my Instagram story, like,
so I was like, there's no one here for me.
I was like so sad, and like I was just

(06:59):
like bummed. I was like, oh, I'm going home, and
like I just spent the past two months walking an
hour every single day, like literally I have been like
putting spray tan on, like trying out every makeup haack
in the book. Like I was so prepared to like
live my best life. And I was like, I'm going home.
And so then and right before coming, I had just
gotten some blood work done for freezing my eggs, and

(07:23):
I like got I literally when I landed in Costrica,
got back information. So in that first conversation with Justin,
I like shared with him that info about my eggs,
which is very emotional for me. I feel like I
cry every time I talk about it. And it was
nothing like crazy or tragic, but it was just like,
oh dang, like I'm dealing with this new chapter of
my life.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
And like, it's just a lot, and so.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Then of course, which I wouldn't expect the show to
air that, but then of course, like I get emotional,
I'm like, it's just a lot, and that's what makes
the cut, you know, which is fair, Like they why
would they show like a thirty minute conversation we had
of me talking about my eggs.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, I mean it is kind of it is kind
of interesting because y'all were together, so it is it
could have been a good interesting conversation, but of course
it made it feel y'all's breakup was a lot more
heavy for you, well honestly for both of you.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Because I felt like he was emotional too.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
So it just felt like to me as a viewer,
even though I've talked to you and seen you in
person and like kind of know the timeline of y'all's
relationship and stuff, I as a viewer was like, oh
my god, why are they not together anymore? There's a
lot of like heaviness and sadness but love for each other.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, And I think that's probably true. Yeah, that's probably
very true.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
If he had if he and Lexi had stayed and
like dated and then you were still trying to find someone.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
How would you have felt watching him date someone else?

Speaker 4 (08:49):
I felt fine, Oh yeah, like I and I thought Lexi,
we actually thought it was so funny like this the
day I woke up and we all got ready, we
came out, me and Lexi were both wearing like cherry swimsuits.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I was like, we are very similar. Like this is
actually making a lot of sense.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I was like, okay, and so yeah, I feel
like I don't know, I didn't feel weird about it
at all. I was like, Lexi's great. I think Justin
and I went through a lot in our relationship. We've
both grown so much and like poured into like healing
and being in therapy and like doing things to like
make ourselves better partners for the future. So I was like,
if you found somebody, like, I really didn't feel weird.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I don't know. I don't know. I think I was
just emotional.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Maybe this is really lame to say, but I was like,
I was really emotional because I was like, oh, I
got the short end of the stick and I'm going home.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yes, you're just selfish.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
But I do though they brought you in with an
umbrella and rain, I know you didn't get a jet
ski intro. I heard you say you were like you
didn't even get a slow mo.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
No, I've been filming everything in SloMo ever since. Like
I literally have my wedding cameras out, and I'm just
like you should just.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Be like this is how it should have been done.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
I know I've filmed like I'll literally like film me
grilling and so motion like tossing shrimp in the air,
and I'm like, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
I just start like the slow most series. It means
a man when you're tossing your own shrimp, you know.
So after watching that, I know a lot of people
probably are like, is there a world where y'all get
back together? Yeah? I think I do.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Think that is like a hot topic question I keep getting.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
And Jill asked me, like right when we arrived, she
was like, would you like consider because we me and Jill,
we were back in our room. I wish they would
play the inside of our room footage because I didn't
know there were cameras in there.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
When we got in literally came in like we.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Were doing somersaults on the bed and she was like, oh,
just so you know, like there's cameras in here. I
was like, oh my god, it's like my butt is
out right now. Vulnerable, yeah, very vulnerable. But she was like, well,
would you go for Justin? And I was like no,
Like if me and Justin were to ever get back together,
like we couldn't do it here, like the level of
conversations we would need to have and like the stuff

(10:54):
we would have to unpack, Like I'm not doing that
on camera, so like we're gonna have to figure this out, eh,
swear like we can like date other people, but like
I would not even consider getting back with Justin on camera,
just because and I think he felt the same way,
like we went through too much together.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Like I'm sorry, but I'm not bringing my I'm not
bringing my real world to this television show just so
everyone could judge me.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Said this is only ten percent of my real life exactly.
So when he presented to the Rose, were you like,
we're not doing this? How did that happen? Because in
my mind, I thought this doesn't feel fair. I was
also like, Sussie, take the Rose and just stay on
the show when I'm doing I know.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
I was so caught off guard. Yeah, like I never
saw that coming. I literally was sitting there after they
sent Jeremy third. I was like, oh wow, like I
really have no storyline here. I was like there was
not even like a question of who Jeremy was picking,
because I'm like they would have put him last if.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
It was like, oh, who's he get pick? I was like, dang,
like I got. I was like I'm in and out
of here real quick, and they do not care. And
then when it was Justin last, I was like these
produces are so dumb.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
I was like, they think Justin would give me his
road and that anyone would believe, Like I literally was
like this is such a I was like, this is
such a dumb storyline, like no one's gonna think Justin's
gonna give me the rose, Like literally so dumb.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
And then he called my name and I was like
what the what the heck?

Speaker 4 (12:19):
And then this is where maybe I just need to
reevaluate my brain cells because I was like really realizing,
like I was so unaware that I thought I was
going to go up there, and in my brain, I'm
like Justin and Lexi must have conspired and they both
wanted to save me, so like Justin was going to
offer me the rose first, and when I say no,

(12:41):
I'm going to go back in line and then him
and Lexi will continue forward cause like if you look,
I like, go up there, and I'm like that's so nice,
but like I can't let you do this. I go
back in line as if the rose ceremony is gonna continue.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
I get to me. Yeah, I was like, oh, something
new is happening, right same.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
I was like, this is a weird, you know, plot twist,
but like here we go. And then Justin left and
I looked at Lexi and I was like, wait, did
you guys plan this or did you guys talk? And
she was like no, And then I was like, oh god.
I was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, I'm like.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I was so confused. I was like, what is going on?

Speaker 4 (13:15):
So then I run after Justin and of course it's
like I'm in a holding area. They're like just wait here,
we're talking to him, and I'm like, let me go
in there. You know, I don't even know where he was,
like I thought he was around a corner. And then
all of a sudden, they make me go back to
the rose ceremony. I thought they were going to like
be like Justin left the rose for Susie, and so
I was crying because I was like, I am not
gonna accept it, Like now I feel terrible that Justin

(13:38):
is also he's chosen to leave, and.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
I understood quickly.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
I was like, oh, he's like he feels humiliated, like
he was taking a chance by doing that. I thought
it was like he had told Lexi or something. Ooh
it was dark times. And so then I was Then
when it went to Jill.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I was like, take the house, take it. Jill was like,
save me from this pressure, let me leave. Yeah, please
send me on my way. I should have never come.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
So then you get a call in the airport, Oh
my gosh, sure, okay, were.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
You interested in Jeremy?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
I thought he was super cute, like I feel like
I don't. I didn't know him well enough to be
able to say whether there was any kind of.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Like longevity there.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
And he even asked me, or I think he asked
me before the rose trem andy, like if we if
I gave you my rose, like would you actually consider
like do you actually see something here? And I was like,
I mean yeah, like we can explore it, but also
like I just got here. I don't know you and
That's where me and Jill at the beginning were like,
we are not gonna be begging for roses. You know,

(14:42):
I'm not gonna sit there and be like, I you
know what, I've been thinking about this since I got here.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
You are everything was looking.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Ever, yeah, because I'm like, I just don't know, Hugh.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
I just like literally spent thirty minutes on jet ski
and then we kiss on a David Like that's all
I got. So it was like I'm open, but like,
I'm not going to sit here and lie to anybody.
So yeah, I mean I didn't even know what the
question was at this point.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
No.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I was asking if Jeremy was someone you were interested.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
In and then the phone call.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
But my thing at this point, oh yeah the phone call.
So he calls yeah, And at this point you're kind
of you've accepted I'm going home.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, I get me A day I got there, I
was like, I'm immediately going home.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
There's your arrival.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
When you said I'm out.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Of here, when I was trying to take tequila shots
and people were like, hey, it was a great meeting.
I'm going to bed, I was like, Okay, I guess
I'll see myself out I would have been devastated.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
On that note.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
I was really sad.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
So he calls, he calls, I'm actually I was actually
in transport to the airport, so I technically lied. I
wasn't about to get on the plane. I was still
in the car. Could have turned around, could have turned around.
But it was a four hour car ride. I mean
you were about three hours ago. Oh oh Yeahad also
on the way to the airport, the drive her fully
got off the side of the road and like we

(16:02):
went and had a full meal together, just him and
I and like he has is he single?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
He has two sons? Oh okay, and there I know.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
And I was like, using my little bit of Spanish,
I have a full video. I was just like recording
myself trying like Coastareacan food.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
And then we ended up.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Talking about his sons and I was like are they hot?
And he was like yeah, like a cute. And I
was like, maybe we maybe we take this thing off
roading and turn around and.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Your locals who did Susie, God, that would be like
my actual dream.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
That's the actual dream.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
So yeah, I got the call and I was like
I just felt so bad. I was like I don't
know what's going on with Bailey right now, but I
I really did feel I mean, they looked so cute together.
I was like, you guys really do have something special.
I don't know what's going on that you're calling me.
I figured somebody came in and took her on a date,
you know, And so that was fit.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, yeah, that was hard to watch.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
I was like.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Whoa and then yeah, and then I like I knew
if I came back, I'd be in a love triangle.
So I was like, I don't want to like come
back to that. Yeah, and like I would have been
so sad that Justin tried to sacrifice his rose for
me and then went home. And then I'm like, you
know what, I'm actually gonna go back.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
He's like text never, why is her phone not on?

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Exactly? Literally she should be back. So I'm assuming y'all
have talks or y'all talk once you went home?

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yes soon for y'all in contact.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I was blowing up his phone. I was like, what happened?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Why did you do that?

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Why did you leave?

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Like I was immediately like as soon as like as
soon as I put the pieces together that like this
was not conspired between him and Lexi I was like,
oh my gosh, like, why why didn't I go up
to the rose like podium and be like can we
have a conversation like and I guess for context, like
he thought Jeremy was giving me the rose like he
had told me earlier in the day. He was like, well,

(18:06):
I know Jeremy's didn't give you the rose and I
was like, I don't. I actually don't think so, yeah,
And so I think he really thought I was going
to have a rose. And then right before the rose ceremony,
he said, because they separate the guys and girls before
you walk in. He said that they he found out
like in that moment that Jeremy was picking Bailey, and
he was like it was like a in the moment
decision of like what do I do?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
And I guess Like talking.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
To him post show, he said that he felt like
it wasn't super solid with Lexi and he was like,
I figured you were getting the rose from Jeremy and
then moments before it was like, wait, do I really
just let this person I care about go home? And like,
and I think that we both in our conversations beforehand,
we had both said like we know one of us
is probably going to get screwed over when we go,

(18:51):
Like someone's going to be brought into like disrupt or whatever.
I didn't think it would be me. I was like,
if you want me to pull any man away from
a woman, I won't. I will gladly go home and
bury my head in my pillow and cry. Well.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I don't think people realize, and I don't know if
it's changed at all, but when you go on Paradise,
you you just say like you're just saying I want
to go, but you have no control or awareness of
when you're going to be sent in, right, So like
you could literally go the last day for all you know,
I know, right, Like, yeah, that's still how it is.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
So you and Justin knew that you were both going,
but you didn't know if you were going to go
first or he would be there once you got there,
right I did?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
I think?

Speaker 4 (19:29):
I hope I'm allowed to share this, But the producers
did give me a headset that he was down there already,
because it was really nice of them. Yeah, I felt,
And I also like, I think I would have figured
it out because I was like, there's no way I'm
sitting in this hotel for nine days or whatever it was,
and Justin's not already down there. Yeah, there's no way
that we're both going to be late arrivals, you know, right, Like.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
At the same time Bombshell was entering at the same time.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Imagine we walk in hand in hand.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
They're like, why are they here?

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Literally, so you talk after the show, you blow up
his phone? Yeah, and where are y'all? Now We're in
really good terms. We share a managers.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
So we had been actively avoiding each other prior to Paradise,
Like we both were at stagecoach and I would somebody
would be like, oh, just so you know, Justin's on
the way, and I'd be like, great, I'm actually rapping
up my night.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I'm going to go home. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
So we were very much like I didn't want to
run into him.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
I ran into him at the Super Bowl and I
think that was the last time I like ran into
him in the wild, which was in February.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, and I was.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Like, I don't want to do that again, Like I
just it was just like too much. I was like, I, yeah,
I don't want to run into him anywhere. And we
were in no contact. So coming off this show. It
definitely brought us back into each other's atmosphere. Like I
was immediately like we both were mad at each other.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Low key.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
He was like, why didn't you take the rose? And
I'm like, why'd you give it to me? Like what
are we doing? Like, oh my gosh, but we both
were like I'm joking when I say we're mad at
each other because there was so much I was like,
I know that you were doing that with love for me,
and obviously when you paint the picture of like what
he was experiencing, I'm like, Okay, I get it, you
know I And then when he sees where I'm coming

(21:15):
from where he's like, oh, you literally just had a
conversation telling this girl to pursue me.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
How crappy would that be if you are like, yeah,
date him?

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Like we're moved on from each other, like blah blah blah.
And then all of a sudden, I'm like, actually, I'm
gonna take your rose. Like we both were just trying
to like be selfless. I think that's kind of a
thing that was happening. And so we went on a
trip with our management company in Mexico. So I'm like,
we're hanging out in Mexico doing like partying, having fun
like whatever. There have been like pick up all events

(21:47):
that our management company is either a part of or throwing.
We share a lot of the same friends, so we've
not divvied up the friend group in the divorce yet,
you know, like some people you're like, oh, who did
you get in the breakup? We still share a lot
of our same friends, and so for a long time
it was like, Okay, well, game night this week is

(22:07):
not with Justin or not with Suzie or whatever. Yeah,
and now we're just you know, we're on really great
terms and like I think we love each other so much,
and like probably if.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
We were to ever move on from each other, we'd
have to probably go back.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
And I just don't think an ex or a future
boyfriend or a girlfriend would be like, yeah, I'm totally
cool with this.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
They won't.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, so we're gonna have to figure that out and
maybe divvy up the friend group or go back to
coexisting the.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Way we were before the show talk about getting back
together after all this or I mean.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
We've definitely had conversations of like I think that That's
the thing though, is like when you're in no contact,
Like it's much easier to like actually move on, Like
we were both dating other people and like you know, yeah,
moving forward, And I think now it's like a lot
of it was just relying on each other for emotional

(22:57):
support as the show was coming out. Also, kind of
what we were talking about before we started is like
there's so much anxiety like leading up to like how
is this going to play out?

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Like is just going to get a villain?

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Edit?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Am I going to get a villain?

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Edit? Like we just were so anxious and like it
was nice to have each other to like as friends,
to rely on and be like hey, like I appreciate you.
I understand where you're coming from, But I think right
now it wouldn't make sense for us to get back together.
I think we're both like really working on healing and

(23:30):
like I think we both have a lot of like
individual growth before we would be ready to like either
visit a relationship with each other or even like in
general just like going through this experience, Like I was like,
really I was like, gen I feel like I had
to like mourn without the experience. Like I was so
excited to like do something again with the Bachelor, and
it was just such a big disappointment. I was like

(23:53):
pretty low about it for a while, and I really
regret it.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
I still kind of just wish I hadn't gone.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
I'm like, I just wish I had not gone back,
even though like they treated me fine and like they
didn't do anything bad to me.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
It's just that like the situation.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah, I just wish I hadn't gone. But yeah, I
think we Yeah, I think we're both just like focused
on individually healing and if that were to be a
conversation later, like it would be down the road.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
But when we've both like been in some intensive therapy.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Okay, so it sounds like as of right now you're
not each other's person, but it's not fully off the table,
like you're not like never again.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
I yeah, I don't feel that way, and I didn't
feel that way before, but I but it was enough
for us both to be like we can't be in contact,
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, before the show,
it was like you broke up in early January, ran
into each other in February. But during that whole time,
it's like we were like this isn't We're never gonna
be able to move on if we like stay friends.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
So I just don't think there's any way to do
like I think you have to. I think no contact
sounds like the hardest thing in the world, but I
also think it's the only way to to move on
from someone. I agree, especially when y'all have a lot
of love and respect and it's not like someone did
as far as I know, something like that you can't
come back from. It was more just like we need

(25:12):
to like be on our own to grow, but like
there wasn't anything catastrophic that happened, which almost makes it harder.
Like sometimes you doesn't wish someone did something terrible literally
so you had a reason to be like I never
want to talk to you again.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, that would make it so easy, It really would.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, And even I feel like people always say like, oh,
you and Clayton stayed friends, and I'm like, yeah, but
we also went a full month without any communication, like
no contact, and then we were going to be at
an event together or something, and we reached back out.
We had a conversation. We both like time heals so much.
And yes, I would personally say me and Clayton are

(25:48):
on great terms, but like we're not friends.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
You know, I like talking on the daily or hanging
out totally.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah, So I feel like and I think because our
lives are public, like it probably gets this label of like, oh,
I'm still friends with my exit. I'm like, well, we're
not actually like friends, but I still care about the
person and like, you know, respect him or whatever.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
But yeah, well I wanted to ask about your reality
TV day since she brought it up.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
But we're going to take a break and we'll be
right back. All right, we're back.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
So first of all, you're a big reality TV girl,
because I was listening to your podcast.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
I was listening to The Vile.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Files with you on it, and I was like, she
loves you love reality TV?

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yeah, ever since going on it? Oh really yeah not
before never before.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Interesting See yeah, I guess I kind of was the
same way, but more so Haley loves reality TV. So like, yeah,
she is a.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Huge Bachelor fan.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, And she tried to lie and say she hadn't
watched my seasons, but then I found out she did.
It's like it's okay, like it's a big show. It's
not like this like niche like embarrassing show that no.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
One watches like ninety eight Fiance or.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Something like Jenner Branderson watches at the time, watch The Bachelor.
So I'm like, you're fine, Yeah, you can admit it.
But anyways, so now I'm into reality TV. But I
heard you talking about how Love Island was just like
disappointing this season compared to last season, which I think
was the sentiment of the USA as a whole. Yeah,

(27:25):
And I didn't watch last season live, so I tried
to binge it to talk about on the podcast, but
it was like thirty episodes that I had to binge,
and I think I did it in like a week,
which was a brain rot that I don't wish on anyone.
And so I kind of hated it because I was like,
I don't get the appeal. Yeah, and then I watched
this season live and I was like, I get the

(27:45):
camaraderie of like all of us being in it together,
but I agree, there was just this lack of rooting
for anyone.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, That's how I felt. I was like, I feel
like there's no like genuine connection to like I don't
know the root for Like, it just felt like I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
It was not and don't get me wrong. Individually, I
like a lot of them, and I'm like, oh, they
were great like people to watch and individually root for,
But there weren't a lot of couples with like highs,
lows pits.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, like peaks. I was just like and then like
cosa more.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
I'm like, what a brilliant twist of a show, But
like there was, it doesn't make any sense when there's
no couples.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
It was like, what's the point, what's the point?

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Save them or just send them all in, send a
bunch of bombshells and let it just be chaos.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yes, but you were talking about how different it feels
to watch, y'all. We're talking about how different it feels
to watch people kiss on Love Island make out on
Love Island versus Bachelor and Paradise. And it was so
jarring to go from Bachelor and from Love Island challenges
to that challenge on Bachelorne Paradise where they were in.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
The tent to kissing booth. Yeah, why is that?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Though?

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Do you think?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I that's a great question, And I don't know.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
I feel like so, I was like listening to some
people talk about Love Island through the context of like
they'll do these crazy, like sexualized challenges where they're literally
like it's like sometimes like soft porn, Like it's bizarre,
and it's kind of like it kind of got to
be too much for me.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
This season. I was like, I don't know that I'm
like into this, like, oh, it's a little Actually.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
The milk thing was so gross.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I was physically like I can't watch this. Yeah, And
then the makeout sessions and they're grinding on each other
I know.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
I'm like, I'm like, are we getting old or is it?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Like I feel literally like a grandma. I have my
grandma now like these children on TV.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
But then they go from these challenges to then being
in the villa and it's like, oh, we haven't made
out yet outside of a challenge, yes, And I'm like
what you're literally like practically doing it, and then you
like don't kiss outside of a challenge, Like that's so
bizarre to me. Where I feel like in the back world,
it's like or at least this season, it's like there's
these challenges now and they're like maybe maybe the thing

(30:07):
is that like the Bachelor's like romanticized in a sense,
like I think of The Bachelor, it's more romantic.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
But I don't know how you felt on the show.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
I was like, oh my gosh, like this is too
romantic for me, like when something would be like so
grand and like oh yeah, I was like, I don't
even know you, but like this is like really a
big gesture where like, I don't know, it just felt
like there's a lot of pressure on these moments to
be like beautiful and romantic where it's like you're in
this like flowy like like kissing booth, and I was like,

(30:37):
it just is like it's like a juxtaposition.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
It's weird.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I think The Bachelor has always almost like I think
it prides itself on this like romantic love story that
they're trying to create, and there's always been a there's
always been a type of person that they have on
the show, especially when it comes to the women, and
so I think that seeing them try to into this
like challenge space of like chemistry tests and what Love

(31:04):
Island's doing feels forced.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Because it's like that's not why people watch the Bachelor franchise.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
But yeah, I remember on a group date, Chris Souls
took me up to this like the rooftop. Yeah, and
had like all this like moment romantic and I just
listened to all the girls talk about making out with him,
and so I go up there.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I'm like a virgin.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I'm like very selective of who I've kissed, and I'm like,
my parents are gonna be watching this, and I felt
like he was gonna kiss me, and I was like
I don't want to kiss right, Like, if we're gonna kiss,
I wanted to be like our moment and not on
a group day where you just kissed everyone. So I
really felt what you're talking about, where like everything felt
very grand and like trying to make it romantic. Yes,

(31:52):
but I'm like he just made up with every other
girl in this state, and I'm like the last one.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
I literally I remember were seeing Clayton with lipstick on
his slip at one point and I was like, get
me out of here.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I'm tapping out. I was like I can't because yeah,
I just knew in one girl.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Oh my gosh, Like I think it was Eliza. Literally
loved her. She was so it was such a funny moment.
She came back and like or she like put lipless
on before she left.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
She came back.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Her lips were like dry as a bone, and we
were like, we know what you were doing. But then
it's like, okay, Susie, it's your turn, and you're like, oh,
like I cannot.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Like what number am I?

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Literally?

Speaker 2 (32:29):
And they also don't show that it's a turn thing,
like they just think that we go up and interrupt
when we want, but there is like an order to it,
so you don't really get to choose your your moment
of when you get to kiss him, if you were
going to kiss him, I know, but yeah, there was
Caitlin Bristow would wear this like really bold lip color
and I'd be like, I know, he has that all

(32:50):
over his face. So she'd come back and I'm like,
you just got purple lipstick all over She'd be so funny. Okay,
so your reality TV days, Yes, in the dating world,
are you? Are you retired?

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I have to be done. Unfortunately, what if?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
What if?

Speaker 3 (33:07):
What if Love Island came to you?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Okay, never Love Island.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
I've been I like did a funny bit where I
tried to be funny bit where I was like, I'm
trying to get recruited by Love Island. Meanwhile, I'd already
filmed Bachelor in Paradise, so I was like, I know,
like my contract wouldn't let me go anyways, but I
was just doing it as a bit and I went
home to visit my parents and my mom was.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Like, are you trying to go on that show? And
I was like, oh my god, Mom, No, I was like,
it's just for the internet. Like I'm literally just trying
to get like I'm just clock chasing it.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
This is this is content.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
It's content.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
I'm I'm literally writing the coattails of the biggest show
of the season, you know, like don't worry.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
So like, no, I could never go.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
I don't think I would even like be the prototype
of what would go on anyways, but like I also
couldn't do it. I did get contacted by a show
actich I can't say what show, but I like considered
it for a hot minute coming off Paradise, and then
it's kind of when I hit the lull, the anxiety,
the like just feeling really sad about it, and I
was I was like, hey, appreciate the like so appreciate

(34:04):
you reaching out, but like I'm going to pass. And
then like the next day I was like, should I
have done that, and then I was like, no, that's
the right decision.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
And I think now I'm like.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
I wanted to, like I would I want to do
reality TV again, I'm like down, yeah, but like, what
what is my pivot? I'm like, do I do like
the challenge or like Big Brother Survivor or something that's
like more challenge related.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
I I've always wanted and I think they did it
with Bachelor Game.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
They did something.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I know they did Winter Games, but like there weren't
they weren't really challenges.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
Yeah, I wish they would do a road Rules type
show with like actual challenges, but with former Bachelor people
or Bachelor people and if people spark a romance, great,
kind of like show Rules, but that's not the goal
of the show, which I know they would never do
because the whole goal is to get a rose whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Right, But I've always wanted them to do that.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
I would like that feels very on brand for what
I would want to do. Like that, Like I jokingly
said in my like farewell post to Paradise, was like
like I just wanted to like go have summer camp.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Like it felt when I got there, I was like,
this is so fun.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
I'm here with a bunch of people, and like, I
was so excited to like make new friends and like,
and I was like, that would be more like summer
camp if I got to stay. Because I actually didn't
have a connection, I guess, so what, you know, why
would I be there? But I'm like, that's what I want, Like,
I just want to like hang out and have fun.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
If the gold did the Goldens come in while.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
You were there, they came the next day.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
If they had come and you and one of the
men had, they might be more interested in you. Would
you accept their rose?

Speaker 1 (35:44):
That's a good question.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
If April was giving the rose to Jonathan the same week,
then yeah, like sure, but not to.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Be the lone ranger.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
I mean, I don't think I would say no. I
think i'd probably do says, Oh, Gary's great.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
I know, and he's fun. Yeah, and he doesn't feel
like that old to me. No, Yeah, he has a
very youthful spirit.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I agree. We'd be coming out of the car together
dancing with.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I think Kaylee would let me go on if I
could connect with Garrett.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah, that's a that's a fair ask, I think, But no,
I think if there was no pressure for it to
be a romantic connection. I'd be like, yeah, let's yeah,
let's team up, let's do this, like for yeah, let's get.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Let's speak to money. Because they've added this money out.
The Bachelor Paradises thrown me for a loop because every
preview there's new rules. I'm like, wait, yeah, I feel
again feeling old because they're switching it up on me.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
By the way, the money, well, like all of it.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
It's like the camera's changed. They have this like all
the slow most stuff. The intro like yeah, had its
thing for so long and it was not just like
a gradual shift.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
It was this like new location, Yeah, new I think.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Director, Yeah yeah, but what do you think of someone
who watch the show?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (37:02):
You know, how do I say this? Because I love it.
I'm just sick to my stomach. I came in with
an umbrella, that is what I think. I'm like, I
was so here for the rebrand, like I am a
wedding videographer.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I love slow motion. I love a drone shot. Like
I was out on the Seado making hearts with Jeremy.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
I was like, you start here, I'll start there, Like
let's make a heart for the drone, Like I was like, so,
I'm like, I love this so to come in with
my the way I came in. I'm sorry if you
guys are sick of hearing about it, because I literally
was like so bombed, and then watching it back, I
was like, I wasn't even in slow motion with the umbrella.
I was just in twenty four frames per second or
whatever they shoot in thirty maybe I don't know, And

(37:44):
I was like, this is just so sad for me.
So I actually love the cinematography of it. I'm like,
I love the rebrand. And I haven't been a Bachelor
fan for so long, like I started watching like when
they first contacted me, which was a couple of years
before I went on, And so I don't have this
like emotional connection to the old like way that they shoot.
And I think that I've been saying, I'm like, they

(38:07):
need a rebrand, they need a rebrand, they need a rebrand,
and now they did it, and I'm like, I love it.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
It's a little blue, like the tint is a little
it's a little blue.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
But also like maybe that's a psychology hack because people
love the color blue. It makes you like gravitate towards things.
Maybe they're like, shoot, they're like, I don't feel election.
I'm not feeling the blue. No, I just I don't like.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
No.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I love I like the I think the cinematography of
it is cool, Like I think they really upgraded big time.
I kind of missed the old spot like I miss
and I kind of miss them all like dying of
like heat and like bugs and stuff like there was
something nitty and gritty about it. Yeah, but the coloring.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I texted Susie.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I was like, Susie's the only one who has escaped
this weird tint, Like you look so beautiful and everyone
looks great, but I'm like the camera's almost like not
doing them justice.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
You know what. It's probably because my spray tanta was
so orange.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
That the blue like contract con Yeah, it like brought
me back to a normal shade because I remember at
one point seeing my leg next to Jeremy's on.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
The very pinky he looked.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
But I will tell you in real life, I looked orange.
I looked like a cheeto out there, And I was like,
I know, because I didn't have enough time to prep
my spray tanks, I didn't know I was going in
until the day up, so I was just putting on
like everything, marinating and like, so that was it probably
did me a favor because I was marinated like a cheeto.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
They they didn't let you know, but you hacked the system.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I hacked and nobody knew it at the time.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
You know, I did it. I was like, well, Susie
has whatever hurt you routine is?

Speaker 3 (39:41):
She beat the camera?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Wow, thank you?

Speaker 4 (39:44):
And maybe that's why I got sent home though, because
in person they were like, who is this cheeto coming down?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Here?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
This cheeto in the rain?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Production assistant coming down?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
You know, they could have done something so cool with
the rain, like if they but you would have had
to like go of the umbrella and let yourself get drenched,
but like the slow move of the rain and you
being like not the villain walking in but the stirring things.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, that would have been great. I would have done it.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Maybe you should film that, Yeah, I thought about it.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I have a hose.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Oh oh my god, I'll come over.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, just bring your outfit.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Love.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
I really was like trying to think of like funny
things because I knew it was going to be bad
for me. So I was like, what are some funny
things I can do? So I did, Like I loved it.
Things I was thinking about, like getting back in the
outfit and just like putting like sopping wet hair and
then like shooting like a fake im as if I
like just got drenched from the water.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
So you could. There's so much you could do with it.
There's a lot to work with. Yeah, did you get
to see Hannah Brown at all?

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yes? Oh you did, but like a hot minute she was.
It's my first time meeting her. She was so nice.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Wait what why do I feel like y'all would be
a best friends?

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Maybe we would. I mean she was great.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
I literally talked to her for like probably ten minutes
before the Rose simony, and I was like, I'm going home,
but like, it was so nice to meet you.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Like let's chit chats, like tell me about your life.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
She just got married.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
I know, she looked so good done.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
The whole thing looked just like magical.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
It really did.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I was so impressed with her social media me too.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Someone she must have had someone just on site getting
it up.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
I think, so, which is like so brilliant when you
think if you're a content creator, like so smart to
have an in person, like social media person, not the photographer,
but like somebody who's doing like tiktokuff, yeah, behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Like and it's just nice to have that.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Like when I was kind of finishing out my wedding
videography career, people were starting to bring in people for
like a couple hundred bucks a day just to like
film bts of their day on their phone because it
takes usually like weeks or months for photographers videographers to
get the video back, so it's nice to have like
immediate content.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Well that's what Tanya was saying that after she had
a social media person, Ashley there and she Tanya was saying,
at the end of the night, the whole time we
were there, after the rehearsal dinner, they went through and
got to watch all the videos and because she was like,
we weren't able to sleep before the wedding, so it
was like fun to just go through the videos and
then have everything instantly there, not even to have content,

(42:12):
but mostly memories to have instantly because it's true, it's
such a whirlwind that you know, but I think people
see content and they're like, how are you not present
or in the moment. It's it's like you're not having
to be if you hire someone.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Literally, I saw.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Somebody say something like in her comment section that was
like were you even like paying, like were you even
like a present or whatever? And I wanted to write
back and be like, she probably was so present, like
probably more so than a normal bride news not hired
someone to do her social media.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
I'm like, she probably like didn't.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Have to worry about anything, like when it comes to content, like, so,
I think it's so smart even if you're not a
content creator, just for the memes's I agree.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, do you have vision? Okay, so you've done so
many weddings, have you been to a certain place or
venue or like like a destination where you go this
is my dream?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
You know what? I that's a great question.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You like beach.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I love I love a beat.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
I feel like anything like natury, so like I'm such
a beach person that I would so be down for
a beach wedding. I feel like for years I was like,
oh I want a beach wedding and like no shoes.
I'm also like pretty tall, so I'm like if I
marry a short guy, like works out in my favor.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
You know, I can just like bury my feet in
the sand.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
For all the picture.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
You can bear him as well as you need.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Literally, it's kind of genius. So maybe I'll keep that
plan going. But I'm also I would so be down
for like an elopement and then like a big party. Yes,
I feel like as a wedding videographer, I love weddings.
I love love, but I'm also like people go into
debt or like they don't they can't buy a house
because they're like spending so much money on the wedding.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
And I get it, like we all dream about a wedding.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Day, but I'm also like, set yourself up, you know,
like if it's just a if it's an elopement, get
like a photographer, you're maybe your best friends or whatever,
but just like do it for you and then.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Have like a big party to celebrate.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
I know.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I've talked to Haley about that because we I'm like,
I don't I want us to have our dream wedding
when we're able to do it without any like to
overthink things. So but we've talked about the elopement and
then a party. But then, like we've been to so
many fun weddings recently, like wedding weekends where we're like, wow,

(44:26):
it's so nice to have everyone yeah together. Yeah, So
we've gone back and forth, But do you have any
dues and don'ts for brides as a video as a former,
are you still doing weddings? No?

Speaker 4 (44:38):
I would only do them if like a friend needed
somebody to But do's and don'ts, I feel like the
best thing you can do. I think like a really
great coordinator is probably the best thing you can do
as somebody who's gonna.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Like like a wedding planner or a wedding yet, like a.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Wedding planner who would also be there on site like yah,
knows everything and not a free to run the show.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Like I would never be good at that job, but
like I would just I would actually make your day worse,
you know, I.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Would be the most stressful part of your day unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Literally, where's Becca? She's catering okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
And she has no idea what time it is or
what time the wedding starts.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, and she was late, so that would literally be me.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
So I am not the right person for that job.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
But I think I've seen weddings done often where they're
they don't have a coordinator and the bride is so
stressed and I feel so bad because I'm like, you
spent so much money and you really aren't enjoying the day.
But if you hire someone or if you have a
family friend, I've seen family friends be like someone's cousin
and they're like I just love them so much, like
I'm coordinating their day, and I'm like, that is such

(45:46):
an asset and it just a good coordinator or planner.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
I think that's the number one tip I would give.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
That's a good one. I agree. I think that's everything.
It's everything florals and your wedding planner.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, that's so true.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
And your music.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
And your music? Yeah, are you doing like a DJ
in trusting or a band or do you want to
a playlist?

Speaker 5 (46:07):
Say?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Because like a really good live band is so fun,
but if they're not good, it's tough.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
It could be a miss.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
The DJ hits every time, Well, I guess if it's
not a good DJ though, that's true. But everyone I've.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Been too, there's been a really good DJ.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
And when the DJ comes on when the band's taking
a break, fun.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
I yeah, I do think a live band is kind
of iconic, and then you kind of get the best
of both because yeah, they take breaks, you have to yeah, yeah,
and then you could curate your playlist for in between
the band.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I like that, you think I could curry my own
DJ playlist. There's something about the transitions of songs that
gets everyone up and you here's the thing. You gotta
have space where people can sit down and not feel
like they're missing out.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, but you also got to.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Have enough songs that people aren't choosing to sit down, right,
because there's some songs where you're like, I gotta be
a part of this, or if.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
You're like in the bathroom when you hear like yeah
by Usher, come on, you're not washing your hands. You're
running to the dance floor, like I gotta get every
minute of this song.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I hear it over now by Taylor stuff but just
not necessarily a wedding song, but it was me. Tanya
and Sophia had like a moment so on her bachelorette
and so I was running down the stairs, like sprinting
to the dance floor.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Yeah, you gotta have the bamers that get people back
out there, you know, like you can't sit for too long.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
No, okay, So dating life, you're single.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
Single, mingling, not mingling, not mingling, healing, I think, yeah,
I think I'm just like, yeah, I'm just focusing on
my mental health and my and honestly, like, I'm gonna
get my.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Eggs frison in the next two months. I'm looking at
the calendar right now. I think it'll be in two months.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
We talk about that. Yeah, what was like, I have
gone so back and forth on doing it, and I
didn't know was it something that you've thought about for
a long time and you finally were just like it's time.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
So I remember when Clayton and I broke up, or
we were kind of like talking about breaking up and
we were like going through that. I was twenty seven
when I went on the show, so it's probably around
twenty eight, which is crazy because I'll be thirty two
next month. I'm like, that's it blows my mind that
that much time has passed.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
But as we were like in the talks.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Of like potentially breaking up, I remember saying to a friend,
I was like, if we do break up, I'm getting
my eggs frozen because I feel this like pressure of like,
oh gosh, I'm twenty eight starting over again, and like
it just feels like a bit daunting.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
And I didn't get them frozen.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
And then then like the next year, I met Justin
and I was like, okay, I'm I'm safe again. I'm like, Okay,
the trajectory, you know, will be in other five years.
I'm like, okay, I'll be like thirty four, thirty five
or whatever. And then we didn't work out, and so
it's kind of been this thing of like, Okay, if
I if we don't work out, then like I'll get.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Them frozen then or then. And I'm so lucky.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
But my cousin is opening up a clinic in Chicago
with a friend who's a doctor, so she's worked in
the industry for like fifteen years, and so I'm gonna
They're gonna do it in an.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Exchange for me. It's amazing, amazing.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Yeah, and really because it's so expensive and my insurance
doesn't cover it, so I yeah, I feel super super
lucky and like hopefully it'll be mutually beneficial for them
as well opening a new clinic.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
But but yeah, it's like very.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Like it has been very emotional for me because like
I think when I was younger, I didn't even think
about kids, and I was like, I don't know, Like
I was like maybe like maybe, like I didn't grow
up with like tons of little cousins, like I was
the little cousin, and I was always career focused and
I was never like dreamt about my wedding. I just
was like it'll all happened, Like I didn't even think

(50:02):
to worry about it, Like I just figured life would
like fall into place. And now I'm like coming up
on thirty two, and I'm like nothing has fallen into place,
like I need to come up with a plan. And
then I find myself like needing to make these decisions
in whether it's in relationships or out of relationships, where
I'm like I need to figure this out right now.
And like anyone that I've talked to that's frozen their

(50:23):
eggs are like, just do it, because that like constant
noise goes away when you get the eggs frozen, and
then you're not making decisions based on like a timeline.
You're making decisions that make sense for right you know
what you really want.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Yeah, I it's interesting because you're thirty two, you said.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
In a month, Yeah, so I feel like all my friends.
Obviously I'm thirty six, so all my friends are in
my age range, and so many of them who also
had this expectation of like I'll be married with kids
by a certain age, like got married, you know, within
the last few years and are starting to have the
process of getting pregnant. My other best friend just had

(51:04):
her baby and she's thirty seven, and it's like, it
is this weird thing because the society is like, you
don't have time, you don't have time. But I do
think taking control of but also taking control of what
you're able to do to put your mind to ease
so that you're not making your moves based on those decisions,
because you don't want to settle for someone based on

(51:25):
the timeline that you've created for yourself. Yeah, when you
could just freeze your eggs and have that security of
knowing you did that and then be able to find
the person that's not feel like you have to rush
your healing or being single or whatever. You know. So totally,
I think it's just I've always heard, you know, everyone's
just like just do it. Yeah, everyone, if you're thinking

(51:45):
about it, just do it.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Literally, that's what everyone says. Who's done it.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Yeah, And I just was on a girl's chip with
literally like thirteen girls I didn't know. Well, yeah, that's
very it was, and everybody was so amazing, and they
were all older and they were mostly mom but like
they were. The woman that really opened up and shared
with me was forty two and she just had twins
like a year ago, and she froze her eggs like

(52:10):
ten years prior and then tried to get pregnant for
like ten years, couldn't get pregnant, and this was like
their last attempt, and they were the eggs from ten
years earlier that she had frozen, I know. And so
which is like also a mind like screw when you
think about it and you're like, oh my gosh, this
these are babies that were like pulled out and fertilized
with her same.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Husband ten years ago. So they could be ten right now,
but they're one.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Yeah, And so yeah, I think it's like everybody that
I talked to says the same thing.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Just if you're thinking about it and you can.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Afford it, or if you can figure out or if
insurance covers it, just do it because it does give
you peace of mind. And I think that that has
been like an emotional part of like my breakup and
even going to Paradise, like and also, can I just
say people that have come online because Lexi talks about
her journey with freezing her eggs and like endometriosis and

(53:03):
stuff like that, I've seen some really nasty comments being
like if you're so you know, interested in like getting
married and having babies, where are you going on a
dating show?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Like you, guys, it's three weeks of our life.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
If we've gone to thirty two and haven't met somebody,
you think three weeks are going to make that much
of a difference in finding the person you're gonna spend
your life with, Like, get out of my comment section.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Like so what if it works?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
And what if it works exactly?

Speaker 4 (53:29):
I'm like, yeah, you never, I mean I was hopeful,
Like yeah, I was hopeful that I would meet I
kept hearing about this older guy that they were bringing on.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I think it was Dale. They really talked him up
and I didn't met him. Yeah, three times I get
there and I was like, is this what you're talking about?

Speaker 3 (53:46):
I met him and he doesn't remember me.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, so exactly. But he's he was lovely like, when
I met him, I was super nice. But you know,
for the fourth time, I was kidding. I'm just kidding.
He was nice all four times times he was pleasant.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
So but yeah, I think that you you know, you go, yeah,
maybe it works, maybe you meet somebody, and if you don't,
it's like, Okay, it's three weeks, like and it's a
I think it's an amazing experience. Even the twenty four
hours I was there, I was like, this was lit.
I wish I could stay.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Imagine if you had gotten there first, I know the
party that you would have thrown for everybody.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
I feel like Bachelination does not know the lore of
my wild side, you know, because I get edited into
a very like.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Your very southern.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
That's what they think, maybe a little bit. But I'm like,
but also I can throw it down like I will
literally yeah, I won't even say it.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I'm like, if you had already been there and someone
came down in the rain with an umbrella, you would
have been ripping shots with them.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Literally, I would not let the party not start, you
know what I mean. I'm like, oh my god, they
sent her down an umbrella, Like I am shaking my
ass tonight, Like I am getting on the bar top like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Well that was their mistake.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Thanks, and I'll remember for that for you and we'll
remember that, thanks guys. But I do hope that What
about what's this show where the Strongest Soldier or whatever
it's called where you go on and you're like, as
a soldier or marine.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Per special Forces, special Forces, you do that one thousand percent? Wow,
I would do it.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
I really struggle in the cold, So I'd probably try
to get a prescription because I think I have ray
nods disease for oh, I think you know, like I'm
like your hands, Yes, I turn purple and stuff. So
I think there's this my doctor told me about this
blood pressure pill where like you can take it. So
I'm like, if I can get the blood pressure pill,
I will do it.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah, let's do some testing before we put you in this.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
I'm like talking a big game and then I'm like,
I'm actually going home. Nate one here too.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
I think the sleep part would be the end of me.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I think that not sleeping in a comfortable cozy space
would be where I like succumb.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Yeah, oh you're a shower before bad girl, right, I
saw you post.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
About that thousand, are you not?

Speaker 1 (55:56):
No, I'm a dirty Yeah, I'd thrive.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
I'd be like, no shower for a week, per I
take out the contestants by not wearing deodorant like I
would like, I'd be like I'm sending everyone home with
my body odor.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
I'm joking.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I'm joking. I would shower.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I'm joking.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
But like I would thrive in like a dirty environment.
I really think I would, Like, I really think I
would thrive. Like the bed thing doesn't bother.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Me, Like what about pooping those stalls?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Just knowing that you have to have a buddy would
would bother me with the pooping.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
But like I'm also like constipated half the time, so
I'm like I probably wouldn't poop the whole time.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I'm there.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Who's your like celebrity crush?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Okay, very oh, this is gonna be like so on
brand very specifically, Like it's Jake Jillenhall in the movie
Everest when he's got like the long hair and he's
like like a mountain man.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I'm sorry, I'm a Taylor Swift fan.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
So oh no, that's actually it's like specifically that movie character,
you know what I mean? Okay, Oh, way, you've got
an image like that right there, like sure, like I
know that's why I'm like, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
If there are someone who's not a character, okay.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yes, okay, Joe Jonas always was like she has ranged,
she has range, And then Michael B. Jordan, I feel like,
oh that's everyone I know.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
It's like, well, those are like the Jake Joenhill one
through me, but the other two are very standardly yes,
except yeah, okay, so Michael B.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Jordan is your poop buddy at.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
No, I'm out, I'm tapping. I'm like, I will hold.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
It, Okay, I will hold it. How strong you are?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
No, oh my gosh, literally that would be like the
end of me. But like if you were there.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
But what about Jake John Hall and Everest. He seems
like he'd be down to be your.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Might not judge me, Yeah, that's actually he might like it,
Like that would be that might be the love story,
the love story.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
I would just tell whoever I'm with, I'm like, plug
your ears please, Like I just like don't even want
the thought even like I get pea sh eye sometimes.
So I think it would be a lot that that
would be a hard part for me.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
But the sleeping, the being dirty. I think even.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
I'm talking a really big game, but I'm like getting
dropped into cold water in a vehicle buckled in. I'm like,
kind of sounds like a thrill.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Wow. Yeah, I need to see you on this. This
is a lot of This is a lot of confidence.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I know, it really isn't I And I'm going to use.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Our voiceover for your intro, this SloMo intro.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I think a panic attack. Yeah, literally time. Yeah, I
can't get it unbuckled.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Thank you so much for coming on and being so
open and sharing, and I just love you. I can't
wait to see what your next reality journey is.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
Maybe something less than Special Forces, but not as sincere
is the Bachelor.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Somewhere in the middle, you know what is that?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
I think? What did you say?

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Road road Rules?

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Like the challenge?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, something like I haven't watched the challenge, Like I
used to watch Road Rules, but I haven't watched the challenge.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I've dabbled, but like not really but yeah, maybe something
in the middle. We'll see. But Okay, I love you too.
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
You're the best and we just wish you the best.
What's where can people follow you? What's next for you?

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Just Susie c Evans on Instagram. Susie was like.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
TikTok and yeah, just figuring out the next steps in life.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
We love it.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Bye bye