October 23, 2025 • 45 mins
Becca's favorite guest is back in the O.R.! Hayley Kiyoko is here to share all the details behind her new book 'Where There's Room For Us" (available for preorder now! wink wink).
Hayley reveals how the book was inspired by her and Becca's real life love story, and she promises it will have major Easter egg energy for longtime Scrubbers.
Plus, we get an update on wedding planning, and Tanya gets a crash course in "hyper reality"!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scrubbing In with Beca, Tilly and Tanya rad and iHeartRadio
and two times People's Choice Award winning podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yes we are.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We have the most special guest today.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
That's right, my.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Favorite your favorite person in the world. You can say yes, yeah,
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You know, we're really practicing maturing and boundaries over here.
So she's a oought to be your favorite person in
the world. Yes, as long as I'm second.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I love her so much. And yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Just a little generation there it's her and then you
perfect right there under her.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
She is obviously the love of my life. But beyond that,
she is a pop star. She's an actress's a she's
a director, and she's an author. She's an LGBT plus
advocate like she does it all.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But you know, she's here today for one very specific
reason because she has published yet another book, which is
available now for pre order. I know how hard it
is to sell books, and pre order really does matter,
so please pre order it. It's called Where There's Room
for Us by Hailey, Kyoko and Becca.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Do you want to do the honors?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Please? Welcome back to the Scrubbing n O R Hailey kiyok.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Thank you guys so much. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
This is like the base just tecking at me because
this is like the big moment, like this is crunch
time for you. So it is before we even get
into the R interview, Okay, our very serious interview. Yes,
I would like everybody to get on their phones and
pre order where there's room for us by Hailey Kyoko,
because we're in that window. Yes, pre orders make such
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a difference. Pre orders are everything for ever your times, bestsellers, everything,
So this is like the the very important moment. So
the more we can sell, the better. Exactly, send link
to your friends, thank you to your loved ones.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Everywhere.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
You can get it on Barnes and Obama pretty much
anywhere you get a book, or if you do audio
books too, you can do.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
That a cinematic experience.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And it's a great stocking stuffer. So there's no better
time to stock up holiday. I already started my holiday shopping,
so these are great stocking stuffers.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
These could be a great white elephant gift. These could
be this is the ad I need it. Thank you
so much. You're so welcome. So if anybody. If tis now,
the time is now? If not now, when? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah it Taylor Jin can read who our Dear Friend?
I love your dear friend.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
This is a book that feels like a glass of
water when you are parched. Thank you for writing it.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
That's such a great.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Oh do you open it up to the dedication?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Oh no, oh yeah, let's let's let's just start it
with I brought the book. Then we've got hot pink pages.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, it's actually so beautiful. I've never book.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Why don't you read the dedication? Okay, I see it.
This book is dedicated to Becca.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Oh get that.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Falling in love with you has been the most rewarding
adventure of my life. Thank you for letting me share
a small ember of it. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. Yeah,
she loves it.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Starting strong, being like having a book dedicated to you
is like, that's so nice.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
What better gift to receive?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Romantic? Yeah, she just like popped it in my face
one day and I was like, what.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I wanted to surprise her, but there was enough surprises
and she was going through a lot with surprise, so
I just was like, here, check this out.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Shall we talk about where do we begin the book
the concept of it, your your journey of writing.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, dear, what year did this begin?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Well, it's been years in the making. And I guess
we could start off with like, I'm a huge Pride
and Prejudice fan and I love period pieces, which is lol,
because Becca is not like a crazy period piece fans
my favorite.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So like, when she's out of town, I'll like binch Watch,
like you know, all the period pieces like Bridgerton. Yeah, yeah,
I love Bridgerton.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yeah, I love I love anything with a really uncomfortable wardrobe,
you know what I mean. But so my dream was
to tell our story like our.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Use our meet cute as like the inspiration.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
And as I was putting it together, it was interesting
because I was like, oh my gosh, Like my goal
in life is to create hopeful queer content, and there's
no way for this to end hopeful if it's in
like the actual like reality of the Victorian era. And
so as I was, you know, developing the story, I realized, Oh,
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what if I do this like hyperreality kind of hyperrealism
thing where you can be queer, like you can be gay,
you can get married to a man or a woman,
but women are still not equal, and so two gay
men can inherit land and continue the family line, but
two gay women cannot, and so there's still pressure to
have you know, a son or an air to you
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know leave.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So it is set in eighteen hundreds, but like a
in like a hyperreality.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Yeah, Like the short burst of the summary is I
think Pride and Prejudice meets Little Women set in a
queer hyperreality where men are where queer people can exist,
but women aren't equal.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Hyper reality is like not reality.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
It's like it's excuse, It's like we're there's still carriages
and like the whole thing. But it's like, what if
I just kept asking myself if I was myself who
I am today and I lived in the Victorian era,
how would I exist and how would I thrive? And
how would I move about falling in love and like
having relationships and what would that look like if you
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could just be openly a lesbian during that time.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So the two characters in this book is it Freya
is that you? Or is that Becca? That's inspired by Becca?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And then Ivy is you?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So Ivy and Freya Ivan. If you're familiar with your
love story Haley and Becca. Right, well, we see it
mirrored in these characters there.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
I was thinking about that there, yes, yes, yes, and no,
like I obviously hype of reality. Well, still, our love
story wasn't in the Victorian era, so things have to change.
But basically the story that I think most scrubbers have
heard is like when we met at Chateau Marmont.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Right, right, like trying to set Haley up with your vacancy.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
First time we met, and and and we got drinks
at chateau and my friend kept sending women over to
the table.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Did you hear about this we were getting do you
know us?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
That's a really good part of the story that I
don't know if we've we've probably told it.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
We can tell the story.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
But basically that specific moment in our life, I basically
made a Victorian era version of that. And that's kind
of like the catapults of their relationships. So let's go
to the reality real So reality real quick is.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Reallysed for reality part. The reality part of.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
It is is that obviously, back when I met at
No Vacancy and she was trying to set me up
with her younger sister.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yes, and then the three of you were supposed to
get drinks together.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Like a group of people, and so we were going
to get drinks and she tells the story beout her
but we basically I was.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Panicked and I was like, oh my gosh, she's like
this famous person.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I have to like find this like bougie place to
take her because I don't really like go out to
get drinks. And so I called my friend. She ended
up being at the Chateau Marmm. She's like, i'll, you know,
give you a table. And so we met at chateau
and we spoke. We I mean, we hung out for
like four to six hours. We shut the place down.
But as we were getting our drinks and getting to
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know each other, a woman comes up to the table
and she goes, why haven't you called me back? And
I look at her like deer in a headlight, like
what are you talking about. She's like, you've never called
me back, Like I'm really upset with you. And Becca's
staring at me and I'm like, oh my god. And
she walks away and I look at back and I'm like,
I literally don't know this person, Like I do not
know this person. An hour later or whatever it was.
(08:44):
Another girl comes up and I was like, why do
you call me back? And so my friend who had
set me up for the take the drinks, she was.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Doing it with me.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
No, she's trying you look good. Maybe maybe it was
bad firing with Becca because she was like, oh my gosh,
she's a place.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And so setting her up with my sister, I'll show her.
So it was.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
It was a wild moment where these like women kept
coming up to the table. But anyway, so that moment
in our life was I kind of like brought into this.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Book, how Ivy and Freya?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Yes, yes, And I guess getting into the book more
just to set up the scene. So Ivy again hyperreality
in the sense of like America's more progressive than Europe
at this time and England, and so Ivy and her
brother Prescott from America, they moved to England to find
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him a wife because the only way to guarantee his
inheritance is to marry a woman in England, because our
father was from England. And so we meet the Talent
sisters and there's a bunch of sisters and a couple
of them are queer, and there's this character named Freya
and is one of the few sisters left to marry,
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and so she has a lot of pressure to marry
a man because they need to continue the family line.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And so that's kind of the setup.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
And so we go to England to kind of set
him up with one of the town sisters and then
my character ends up falling.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
In love with her. How does it end.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
You'll have to prove the buyer.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It doesn't end, but maybe that season two or book two, yeah,
book the sequel.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah. So yeah, So that's kind of the setup of
of the story.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
So it's like loosely based off of our meet cute
and then obviously it's been really you know, Beca's been
able to tell our story a lot, and so this
was kind of my way of telling my experience through
the character's eyes of Ivy and navigating you know, meeting
you know, these sisters and Freya and like having my
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world turn up side down. And she's like this sapphog
poet in the Victorian era, and so she's like this
known lesbian poet, and so the younger sister like knows
of her. Like, so I was trying to find like
little things to like have little throwbacks. But but Yeah,
it's really fun.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
It's really fun, and it's three hundred pages.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I think the fonts it's hya so the font you know,
it's a quick read why young adults, oh.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Words, So I appreciate, but yeah, it does have to
spoiler alert.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
It does have a hopeful ending. And for me growing up,
all of our queer representation ended in like suicide or
death or like in love and like really having to
hide our relationship celebrated exactly. And so I was really
inspired by the concept of, like, Okay, what if you
could be gay, but you're still not equal as women,
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and you're still struggling to to thrive in an economy
in a world, and so what does that look like
and how do you find your joy and happiness? When
maybe I also liked the idea of like, you know,
I think everyone can, whether you're queer or not, anyone
can relate to this love story because I think every
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single person is born with parents who have expectations of
who they're going to end up with, right, whether it's
your religion, whether it's your culture, whether it's your background,
and it always it's always gonna be challenging to navigate
regardless of those expectations and the disappointments, and so I
also really loved having just something so relatable in that
(12:40):
sense where you can pick this up and read it
and see yourself in it, and sometimes you know, the
happy ending isn't like everything works out. The happy ending
is like, we're going to figure this out together and
we're going to like persevere through the hardships.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I do think it's super relatable, you know, stepping outside
of the queer community, like I was saying, I also
experienced some of that, Like I never thought in a
million years I would end up.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
With a divorced Jewish dad, you know what I mean.
And so it's just I think it is going to
be really relatable to a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, I think the whole concept is like, outside of
being queer, there's so many other things that people navigate
to be together and that they have to go through
with family or expectations or whatever that leads to that
decision of are we doing this together or are we
gonna wonder what if for the rest of our lives?
Like take obviously this is focused on queer a queer
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love story, but I do think a lot of people
can resonate with like differences of religion and beliefs everything.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
You're going on a book tour, I am, I'm not going.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
To Ye, it's a big deal. Not everybody gets a
book tour.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
This is my first book tour because my last the
last book that came out, Girls Like Girls, I was
already on tour, like for my music tour, and so
I was doing these like meet and greets every night,
and so I didn't really get to do an official
book tour. So this is like my first one, which
I'm really excited. We're going to New York, Chicago, Berkeley,
and then we ended in LA.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, we should go to the LA one. You should
definitely if you know, if you're in town, you should
come to the LA. What days the one is it?
The Barnes and Noble the Grove.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
November seventh is lah, November six is Berkeley, Wednesday November
fifth is Chicago, and Tuesday November fourth is New York City.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Ye, So if all of our scrubbers, we know that
y'all be showing up for things, So if y'all are
in the area any.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Of these dates, yeah, I'll be.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I think I think the scrubbers have like a one
up reading this book because they know they know much
about relationship, and so I think like it's going to
have like this Easter egg energy for them. I'm really
excited to hear their thoughts on it, because I'm really
really proud of this book and this has been something
I've been wanting to do for a really long time.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And yeah, you should be so proud.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Staring at it, it's like gorgeous, Like it has like
hints of Wicked colors, but like we love Wicked, so
there you go.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I didn't make that until now. There are different shades.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Number two, I mean, movie number two is coming out.
There's a lot of pink and green.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
There's a lot of pink and green energy right now.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
When you write stories, are you already conceptualizing TV or
movie when you're when you're working on the I know
the answer.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yes, we didn't rehearse this by the no no, no, no,
This is all I know.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
She's gonna ask no, Like I you know, Girls Like
Girls obviously was like a ten year journey into getting
the film green lit, And a lot of the reason
why I got green lit was because I, you know,
made girls and Girls into a ya and then became
a New York Times.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Best seller, and so that helped push So a lot
of these.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Like films and television shows you're seeing a lot of
them are inspired by books, and that seems to be
the best path forward for Hollywood and quotations for IP.
And so when I was developing this story and writing
this story, I one hundred percent was thinking, like.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I would love for this to be a TV show,
or like it'd have to be a.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Really long movie if it was a movie, like I
need like two and a half hours kind of vibe
because they're just so much like Juicy, you know, stories
and plots. But I would love to make it into
a TV show and then maybe like the next season,
you follow another character. Oh there's another really cool place
in the book called the Bridge, which is like the
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West Hollywood of.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You know, the Victoria era exactly.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
And so once a month, like they all meet at
the Bridge and like everyone just gets to celebrate and
like there's like boats, and it's really like a magical
like the parade.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, like just like kind of like a Pride.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Night, but like once a month and everyone comes together,
and so you know, maybe in future seasons I could
follow another character, But I just love world building, and
I was really excited to challenge myself more because like
Girls Like Girls was from like my youth, like high school,
and so it was really fun to get to be
inspired by the love that I have today and beyond,
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and so that was like really cool to kind of
challenge myself a bit more, to see, like what would
it be like if Ray and Ivy like existed in
the Victorian era, and like what would happen?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
What happened to us?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You mentioned your directorial debut, Girls Like Girls, coming out.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I haven't gotten an official date, but I'm hoping next year,
twenty six yes, and any day in that year, yes, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, sooner than later.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
When you wrote Girls Like Girls in twenty fifteen, or
you wrote it in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Relased the music video on twenty fifteen, and then I said,
didn't start writing till later, So.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
No, I know, but I'm talking about the music video.
What the conceptual? Yeah, the Girls Like Girls conception. Yeah,
you were not in the video.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
I was not on purpose. Yes, why.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I wasn't in.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
The Girls Like Girls music video because I it was
like my coming out and so it was like my
half ass of coming out without putting my face on
it because I was nervous and.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
So really yes, and so I was too scared. It's
so hard for me to picture that now, I know
I was like too scared.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
But then like I had the amazing Stephanie Scott and
Kelsey Asville and they were the stars of the music video.
And so it was really cool to be able to
direct to the film for Girls Like Girls because I
was able to reclaim my space in that. And I
think that goes that's connected to not feeling represented in
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the Victorian era, right, like growing up being like, oh
my gosh, I'll never book a role like in the
eighteen hundreds or like because of just what I look like.
And so I think going through this Girl's Like Girls
experience was a really beautiful, like full circle moment where again,
like you said, it's crazy, I was so scared to
put myself in the music video and like have my
face in it, and like that was terrifying for me.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
How long was that process for you?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Like?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Were you okay? So you you knew that about yourself?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You said, I knew I was scared since I was
like five or six, but this was your half you
said half ass. I would say I was attached to
the song in the sense of, like, maybe if I
were to do it over again, I would have myself
in the video. So you were you said five six
when you knew yeah, yeah, yeah? And then when how
old were you when you like really put your face
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and name and everything out?
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Well, I mean that was twenty fifteen. Girls like girls,
I like, I was how old in the music video?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But it was like my song that I wrote because
I feel like I remember when you and Becca first
started dating. I was so I admired so much how
patient you were with Becca throughout that whole process, because
I was like, oh my gosh, Like if I were Haley,
I it would be so hard for me, like with
how you guys were doing things in the beginning. But
I was like, I think you obviously can relate to
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what Becca was going through because you had your own
journey through it.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I mean we've had totally different upbringings, but I can
relate in the sense of, like, you're ready when you're ready, right,
you know, And it's really scary to like just know
who you are and then also be like what are
people going to say? And it's so crazy to look
at my career that like that Girls Like Girls in
twenty fifteen, me speaking my truth would finally be have
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a whole career because I was like, this is who
I am, and then all of a sudden, I'm finding
all these people going, oh my gosh, I feel the
same way.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And that's why Girls Like Girls was so powerful.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
It is because we don't get to see women be
together and like win and like thrive in culture and
in spaces, and so as soon as I started doing that,
I was like, oh my gosh, My whole purpose in
life is to create hopeful career content to kind of
fill you know, when I when I'm like building my
decks for like music videos, or even when I was
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doing the film, when there's this thing called shot Deck
and you go on and you like, you know, it's
like it's kind of like a pinterest for like cinema, okay,
like a mood board, and you have such limited amounts
of films to choose from to be able to put
together a vision for like women loving women's stories. Oh interesting,
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and so like my goal in life is to be
able to fill up that void. So when you go
on shot Deck, you're like, oh my gosh, do I
take this image? Or do I take this image right now?
You're just like, so, I mean, you have like so
few images to work with because there's so many, there's
very little. I mean, it took me ten years to
get Girls like Girls made. It's just two girls falling
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in love and ends in hope, and that took ten years. Yeah,
and it's never been made before.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's wild. Yeah, and it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
And so that was my goal with Where There's Room
for Us is like I wanted to be inspired by
our love story and then bring it into a even
bigger world and find a way to maybe hopefully get
this made to be brought on to our screen so
people can be like, oh my gosh, I look like her,
Like I can succeed in life, you know, just representation
as a whole.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Where did a title come from?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
So?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Where there's room for us? The great question?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I think for me, it's always like creating space and
like wanting to have space.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And so I liked the idea of a title of
having some thing of like where there's room for us,
of like, like, even when.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
There's space, how do we fill up that space, and
how do we thrive in that space and how do
we take ownership in that space.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It's really interesting when you said, like, I don't know
what you call it in the movie world, but you
the Pinterest thing and not having a shot deck, not
having the amount of images to choose from and stuff
like that's so that's just so crazy. I feel like
when I was I didn't really use Pinterest, but anytime
I would type in anything that I needed, it was like.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
It was there, right there, right there. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
And so imagine like as creators and filmmakers and authors,
and it's like you're trying to create something that hasn't
existed yet, and then you're trying to it makes it
super challenging because you're trying to prove to companies and
studios and people with lots of money that your idea
is a good idea and it's never been done yeah,
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or there's no proof of concepts. And like that's why
writing books has been like such a freeing moment for
me because I can just like do what I want
and take it wherever I want without anyone else yeah,
telling me, oh, we can't afford this scene, or we
can't afford this or we can't do it here. It's
like no, like I can have the place called the
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Bridge with lanterns and boats and you know, like meadows
and lavender fields, like I can do it all. And
this has been the most freeing medium in my life.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
I think, do you have a dream cast for where
that could do?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
What that would be the day. I don't have a
dream past because like it could take like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I'm just saying if it were to get mad, if
it were to get made in the speedy sense next.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Year, I haven't thought about that. Actually, really, that's like
the first thing I thought about.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Well, I guess I don't. I'm very like, once I
have an idea, I have to do it and it
has to happen. And so I try to not lock
myself into an exact vision because once I do it,
like if I were to be like it needs to
be whatever Margo, Robbie or whatever, if it didn't happen,
it could never happen.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, well she has.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
She had.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
There good answer, just like we rehearsed.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
When we see like we obviously see you on the
podcast and people get to know you, but I do
feel like your social media you have really allowed people
to come in and see more of your personality.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Thank you. I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Has that been challenging because I feel I have this
theory that people who are in the industry as like
actors or uh, celebrities, that there's this sense of need
to be perfect in terms of how they're presented. Did
you experience like I know that we've talked about you
experiencing that need of like everything needs to like be perfect.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I think, like, well, during the pandemic, I just like
I stopped posting a lot, and so it's taken like
years to kind of like get back because I used to,
like I mean when I was like fifteen, I was
like YouTube vlogging being likely and I'm getting on the
plane and here I am, And I don't know if
it's like getting older too. I also think like we
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had such a private life for so long, so that
just like became like my normal and like my comfort.
But I am trying to like share more of like
my goofy side and me not being able to say
eyes yes if you've seen our TikTok. But I think
that's what was really fun about writing this book is
(26:40):
like kind of navigating, you know, it just have like
hints of my my perspective and my experience through this
book and like navigating entering a new space and meeting
someone that's like so different from me, and and finding
a way to just like make sure that we end
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up together.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I mean, we don't talk about it a lot, but
we had to navigate a lot of things in our relationship.
And we've been together, you know, seven and a half years,
and there's been so crazy, a lot of hardships and
navigating like really hard conversations not only with each other
but with other people, and Haley, I have to say, like,
through it all, I don't know anything different, but I
(27:25):
realized how fortunate I was to have a partner who
was so patient. And also there were a few things
where I may have been like I'm out, amout yeah yeah,
yeah yeah, And it really is a testament to how
much how much you love me and our relationship and
wanted to be with me, and how much I wanted
(27:47):
to be with you. But I'm glad, like there's you
know that you have a way of expressing that because
there was a lot of time in our life that
was private before we came out publicly that it was hard.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I mean I think when you're well, right back at you, babe,
because you could have also been like, see, yah, this
is too hard. But I think it goes back to like,
you know, you meet someone and like they might have
a totally different upbringing or they might have a totally
different religion or culture, and it's like you're navigating, Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
What are my boundaries?
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Like what do I need in a partner, and like
can this person be come from a totally different world
than my world?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And like how do we meet?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
And also it's kind of like in Us against the
World's kind of thing too, where it's like how do
you navigate your love and also navigate all the other
relationships that have expectations, whether it's family or friends, Like
people always have something to say, and so it's just
like navigating a new relationship, navigating all of all of
these people's like feelings and thoughts on your relationship, and
(28:52):
then like reclaiming your relationship and being like this is
our relationship and like if you're good, then I'm good,
and then the rest we'll figure out.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I think there's something so beautiful about being with
someone like a partner that is from totally a different background,
because like I mean, I just I can't imagine being
with someone that's exactly or is exactly like me.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Well, it challenges you, It challenges you too, but.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
It's such a beautiful thing to like learn and accept
and grow and like experience new things. And I don't know,
I just think it's like it's a beautiful way to
experience life.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Yeah, And I but I think it takes courage, Like
and I think we live in a society that encourages familiarity,
encourages sameness, right, and just being like, you know, that's
what's easy, right, And so it takes a lot of
courage to be like, oh I haven't thought of it
that way, or oh, like there's another way to live,
(29:51):
or oh there's another way to be centered, or there's
another way to think about this, and so you know,
but that takes strength and not being a narcissist. So
self awareness is really key, it is, it is.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, But so with narcissism, there's like a lot of
narcissists out there, and I think it's like.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Eighty twenty we're in a world of about eighty percent narcist.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yes, and you guys are not in it, so congratulations.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, we work hard at that, not being narcissists. But yeah,
I feel like I'm just so proud of you. I'm
proud of us, I'm proud of our love and I'm
so I mean, reading your intro of all the things
you do is like it's it's so interesting because I'm
so familiar with it and I'm in it with you
and like the creativity and the process of it.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
But when I when I'm reading it from this perspective,
I'm like, whoa, she does a lot. It's so impressive.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
It really is so impressive. Like I'm.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Everything else aside just writing a three hundred page novel
is so hard, and I'm so proud of you, and
it looks beautiful and I do I want to manifest
and I hope that you that this can become like.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Your time New York. Yeah, there, Cellar.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
But also I could see it becoming like a Netflix binge.
Yeah we a binge, we get another binge? Yeah, like
a girly pop binge.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Tanya will be directing it, Yeah, I could be in
charge of the soundtrack exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Why so Tanya wrote a song and she wanted to
present it to you, but we're going to take a
break and we'll be right back, all right. So in
(32:00):
Monday's episode, Tanya was sharing a song that she has
written herself, and she performed a little snippet of it
on that podcast and then I thought, wow, you should
you should sing it, Na Haley, just to get any feedback.
And the floor is yours stle.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Where those room for us. It feels like there's a
sacrifice involved. Both parties have to sacrifice, sacrifice for love.
It's a thankless job.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
You run off and do what you want, sacrifice for love.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
But should the other one sacrifice too? Should it fades out?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
That wasn't really beautifl and I loved that you were
staring into my eyes the entire time, no blinking necessary.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I feel like I'm on Like that felt intimate. Yeah,
thank you, Tanya. That was beautiful. You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Well yeah, I mean would you turn your chair around? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, I'd be like, what is that song? Yeah? Wow,
we'll talk, Yeah, we'll talk people maybe yeah, viol violin
A violent version of that would be really lovely Victorian era, Yeah,
(33:38):
that would be absolutely stunning.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
So we did get engaged almost four months ago.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Wow, that's wild. I know, time flies. Time flies when
you're having fun.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
And the people are, you know, curious, Well they got
some curious. They're so curious about it's serious. What the
next plans are? Okay, the next steps?
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I don't know if there's anything you'd want to share.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Oh, is there something you want to share?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I don't have anything to share.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I hope to be proposed to. You are going to
I'm relaxed now.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Oh, you're just relaxing too.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
No.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I mean, like, you know, once you put a ring
on it, then we'll get the ball, get the ball
rolling on plans and stuff. But I've heard from many
people to have a long engagement because they said it's
like such an amazing like chapter and so you know,
I'm enjoying that. No, I'm really enjoying my fiance, I say.
(34:42):
And if you get to the end of the book,
you know, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, whoa, there's some bells ringing?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Maybe maybe not, I don't know. You got to read
the book. I'm so looking forward to your wedding. Oh yeah,
I'm excited to bok excited to read book. I'm like,
I'm excited for you to read the book, and I'm
excited for the wedding. I'm excited for it all. I'm
really excited too. I wanted to so.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Tanya has offered that if I if you need any
help planning my birthday next.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Week, she is of service, so that would be great.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I told her that you would reach out if you
needed anything because you saw her in action during the.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It was really harassive. Yeah, I've never seen anything like it.
You guys are crazy.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, she talked about it a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I was really impressed your planning skills. Yeah, so honored.
I feel thoughtful, very thoughtful. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome.
I'll text you after this. Perfect. How many interviews do
you have lined up? I have a few, but I
wanted to come here first.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
You know what could be at the book tours?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Well, depending on the city, there's uh, there's met and
greets at every city, I believe, and then there's Q
and a's in a couple of the cities.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Uh. So that's what you should expect. Unfortunately, no like
concert performance, you know, no acoustic performance a recession.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Sorry, all right, I'm really excited. It's just like so
lonely online sometimes and so I'm so excited to see
people in person and just like reconnect with my community,
my people.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Haley's very much needs social interaction.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
But she like if we are just in the house
for too long, She's like, I it's time, I need
to I just have to.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Do one thing a day. Yeah, if I just do one,
what's the thing? Like go to Target? Yeah, oh okay, or.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Like go to a grocery store, but not like you
don't need to go to like an you don't need
to go to dinner or like a No, I need
to leave the house once a day. Yes, and Becca
could be in the house for three plus days with
seeing with no oxygen, no fresh air, and then nothing
stop outside.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, but you don't have to.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I don't have to, but I do.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
It is a really impressive thing, very like bare hibernation energy.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
That's how I recover. But she gives a lot of
comfort from socializing. Yeah, like if I socialize, I need
to recover.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, if you got on.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
A Friday, you best believe Saturday, Sunday, Monday, she done.
We went to a party on Friday and we did
nothing Saturdays.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
But she had to get up and go do something
and that was herding. She's fulfilled that she had an outing.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, I understand that I can't sit. I can't watch
TV during the daylight. It's called something. It's called like
it's no, it's called something. It's called like she can't
watch daily. No, it's like something where you can't watch
TV during the day because it's no because you feel
bad because you should be like seizing the day.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Oh, I have that, but not a TV thing. I
just have that as like a baseline. Yeah, like I
have to go seize the day or like do something
like I cannot if I want. Even there's a show
that I love and I have the afternoon, I can
watch it at two pm. I will not watch until
like six. Really, yeah, it's sick we.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Put our TV in a spot where the glare makes
it impossible to watch to start watching it during the day.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, really I love a day watch. But again I
still have to have my outing.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I was speaking thinking about talking about
no acoustic performance because it's a recession. But are you
people I get dms all the time about you making
more music?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Are you working on music?
Speaker 5 (38:36):
I am working on music. I you know, obviously just
staring at me. You know, did the Girls Like Girls
movie and we're you know, wrapping that up. But uh,
there's plans to have more music, a new album. We'll see,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Stay tuned, do you know or do you just can't
tell us? I just can't tell you. That's fair. Yeah,
I tell you a lot of things though, for sure.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
But yeah, I've been I've been in the studio. I've
been writing music, so yeah, you know, stay tuned. I
have some really good songs that would work really well
for this book.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
But like, oh there's a song, an unreleased song.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, there's a song, perfly.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
I get to hear everything, but I think I'm gonna
wait and keep it for like future, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Like it's got to be the right timing.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't be released.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
But I do have a collab with Cash Cash coming
out October thirty first, called Sadness. I just remembered October
this like Halloween, Yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Is that next week?
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, yeah, October. There.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
I do have a song, but I did it like
I did it a couple of years ago with these
guys Cash Cash it's called Sadness.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
It's really cute, it's really catchy, really catching.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Weirdly found myself singing it and I haven't heard it
since she did it, which was like years ago, and
I found myself singing it and I was like, what
is this song that I'm singing?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
That's good year worm?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Ye, yes, very sick.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, it's almost askey as that.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Yeah. Yeah, So you'll have a little bit of music
next week and then and then not till twenty twenty seven,
twenty twenty six. Oh okay, yeah, okay, so albums you
squeezing the information out of me.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah, just give the people a tease, give the hand.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's just it's a lot. It's a lot, you know, Like,
it's just I'm I need to be everywhere I know
once and you want to give, you want to give
the book, like this is the time for the book.
So yeah, this is the book, and the book tie
and then and then the movie and then the album.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Yeah, everyone's doing fourteen things in one year.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Correct. I can barely squeeze in three appointments in a day,
so yeah, I like one appointment a day personally.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Do y'all have your Halloween coster. You have your Halloween costume? Yes,
we do, not you do.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Do you know what it is?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I do know?
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Share talk of your hints.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
This book is very giving. The vibe of my really interesting,
like a Bridger energy address as a book.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Colors, Oh wicked.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Nice. We have to figure out, we have to figure out.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
What we're gonna do, like literally today. I know, why
don't you be demon Hunters? I know, I love Yeah,
I wanted to do it too, but Rob was like,
oh I love that, but I like being green. So
I'm trying to figure out another clean.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Moments only so much you can be.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
You kidding track Guardians of the Galaxy, and you could.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Be I already threw that out there, but she didn't
want to be kermit.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Well, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
I'm trying to think of my face being like you
have to wear both with that claw, it's like that
fuzzy cloth.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
He's like a fuzzy cloth. Yeah, not Linen, What is
first all you said green? You didn't say it had
to not be.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I know, I know, but I like it to look
pretty real. I'd have to like build a cardboard face.
I don't know, if I have time.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
We'll see yeah, but I did think Shrek was a
good idea, but maybe not this year. It's a lot
feels very like time intensive. Yeah, I think you could
do it. You think you want to do my makeup
for it. I don't think you want me to do
your makeup for it. Let's just start there.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
TVD, TVD. We got five day.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
I'm pretty stressed.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, we're pretty stressed. It's fine.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Yeah, no, it's fine. It'll be great either way.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
And then we have our birthday, which is so fun,
so fun would be the best. Soak up thirty seven girl.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Yeah, back spasms are on the way.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
One year starts to go south.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, I got one year of pain free life.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Oh my gosh. Can I talk about the audio book?
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
Please.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
So the audiobook is phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
I wasn't going to read it, but I ended up
reading the Ivy chapters because I can't do a British accent.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
And then we got the amazing Jemima.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
Kirk to read Freya's chapters, and so it's myself and
Jemima Kirk and then there's like amazing music in the
audiobook and it literally feels like cinema.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I'm like so proud of it.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I love an audiobook book personally. I enjoy reading. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I enjoy them both. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
Well, and it gives for the If you're an audiobook person,
definitely listen to it because I'm.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
Amazed, super super proud of it.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Where can everybody buy every it? You literally can get it.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Anywhere you get books and anywhere you get audiobooks, so
you know, you're any bookstores to Barnes and Noble, to
Amazon to Audible, like you can literally just type it
in and you'll find it. I also have a link
in my bio on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
And where can people follow you already? Just my name
hey like Kyoko on all platforms yeah, or you can
find me through Becca's Instagram too.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
I'm so excited and proud of this book, and I'm
really excited for people to get to to see it
through the eyes of Ivy and Freya. So thank you
so much for supporting us and me and enjoy where
there's room for us.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Grubbers wait to read it.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
We know how scrubbers show up, So go buy your
copy in any form. It's so beautiful, it's like a
relic is that what you call it? A relic?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Oh wait yeah. And two you can take the top off,
So I did that with girls and girls tooo. So
that's like it's like a chic like a coffee table book.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
So pretty art art.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
She thinks of everything.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yes, es, love you guys, We love you.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
B
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yes we are.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We have the most special guest today.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
That's right, my.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Favorite your favorite person in the world. You can say yes, yeah,
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You know, we're really practicing maturing and boundaries over here.
So she's a oought to be your favorite person in
the world. Yes, as long as I'm second.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I love her so much. And yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Just a little generation there it's her and then you
perfect right there under her.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
She is obviously the love of my life. But beyond that,
she is a pop star. She's an actress's a she's
a director, and she's an author. She's an LGBT plus
advocate like she does it all.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But you know, she's here today for one very specific
reason because she has published yet another book, which is
available now for pre order. I know how hard it
is to sell books, and pre order really does matter,
so please pre order it. It's called Where There's Room
for Us by Hailey, Kyoko and Becca.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Do you want to do the honors?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Please? Welcome back to the Scrubbing n O R Hailey kiyok.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Thank you guys so much. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
This is like the base just tecking at me because
this is like the big moment, like this is crunch
time for you. So it is before we even get
into the R interview, Okay, our very serious interview. Yes,
I would like everybody to get on their phones and
pre order where there's room for us by Hailey Kyoko,
because we're in that window. Yes, pre orders make such
(01:56):
a difference. Pre orders are everything for ever your times, bestsellers, everything,
So this is like the the very important moment. So
the more we can sell, the better. Exactly, send link
to your friends, thank you to your loved ones.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Everywhere.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
You can get it on Barnes and Obama pretty much
anywhere you get a book, or if you do audio
books too, you can do.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
That a cinematic experience.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And it's a great stocking stuffer. So there's no better
time to stock up holiday. I already started my holiday shopping,
so these are great stocking stuffers.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
These could be a great white elephant gift. These could
be this is the ad I need it. Thank you
so much. You're so welcome. So if anybody. If tis now,
the time is now? If not now, when? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah it Taylor Jin can read who our Dear Friend?
I love your dear friend.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
This is a book that feels like a glass of
water when you are parched. Thank you for writing it.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
That's such a great.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Oh do you open it up to the dedication?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Oh no, oh yeah, let's let's let's just start it
with I brought the book. Then we've got hot pink pages.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, it's actually so beautiful. I've never book.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Why don't you read the dedication? Okay, I see it.
This book is dedicated to Becca.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Oh get that.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Falling in love with you has been the most rewarding
adventure of my life. Thank you for letting me share
a small ember of it. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. Yeah,
she loves it.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Starting strong, being like having a book dedicated to you
is like, that's so nice.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
What better gift to receive?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Romantic? Yeah, she just like popped it in my face
one day and I was like, what.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I wanted to surprise her, but there was enough surprises
and she was going through a lot with surprise, so
I just was like, here, check this out.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Shall we talk about where do we begin the book
the concept of it, your your journey of writing.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, dear, what year did this begin?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Well, it's been years in the making. And I guess
we could start off with like, I'm a huge Pride
and Prejudice fan and I love period pieces, which is lol,
because Becca is not like a crazy period piece fans
my favorite.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So like, when she's out of town, I'll like binch Watch,
like you know, all the period pieces like Bridgerton. Yeah, yeah,
I love Bridgerton.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yeah, I love I love anything with a really uncomfortable wardrobe,
you know what I mean. But so my dream was
to tell our story like our.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Use our meet cute as like the inspiration.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
And as I was putting it together, it was interesting
because I was like, oh my gosh, Like my goal
in life is to create hopeful queer content, and there's
no way for this to end hopeful if it's in
like the actual like reality of the Victorian era. And
so as I was, you know, developing the story, I realized, Oh,
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what if I do this like hyperreality kind of hyperrealism
thing where you can be queer, like you can be gay,
you can get married to a man or a woman,
but women are still not equal, and so two gay
men can inherit land and continue the family line, but
two gay women cannot, and so there's still pressure to
have you know, a son or an air to you
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know leave.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So it is set in eighteen hundreds, but like a
in like a hyperreality.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Yeah, Like the short burst of the summary is I
think Pride and Prejudice meets Little Women set in a
queer hyperreality where men are where queer people can exist,
but women aren't equal.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Hyper reality is like not reality.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
It's like it's excuse, It's like we're there's still carriages
and like the whole thing. But it's like, what if
I just kept asking myself if I was myself who
I am today and I lived in the Victorian era,
how would I exist and how would I thrive? And
how would I move about falling in love and like
having relationships and what would that look like if you
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could just be openly a lesbian during that time.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So the two characters in this book is it Freya
is that you? Or is that Becca? That's inspired by Becca?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And then Ivy is you?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So Ivy and Freya Ivan. If you're familiar with your
love story Haley and Becca. Right, well, we see it
mirrored in these characters there.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
I was thinking about that there, yes, yes, yes, and no,
like I obviously hype of reality. Well, still, our love
story wasn't in the Victorian era, so things have to change.
But basically the story that I think most scrubbers have
heard is like when we met at Chateau Marmont.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Right, right, like trying to set Haley up with your vacancy.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
First time we met, and and and we got drinks
at chateau and my friend kept sending women over to
the table.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Did you hear about this we were getting do you
know us?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
That's a really good part of the story that I
don't know if we've we've probably told it.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
We can tell the story.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
But basically that specific moment in our life, I basically
made a Victorian era version of that. And that's kind
of like the catapults of their relationships. So let's go
to the reality real So reality real quick is.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Reallysed for reality part. The reality part of.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
It is is that obviously, back when I met at
No Vacancy and she was trying to set me up
with her younger sister.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yes, and then the three of you were supposed to
get drinks together.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Like a group of people, and so we were going
to get drinks and she tells the story beout her
but we basically I was.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Panicked and I was like, oh my gosh, she's like
this famous person.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I have to like find this like bougie place to
take her because I don't really like go out to
get drinks. And so I called my friend. She ended
up being at the Chateau Marmm. She's like, i'll, you know,
give you a table. And so we met at chateau
and we spoke. We I mean, we hung out for
like four to six hours. We shut the place down.
But as we were getting our drinks and getting to
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know each other, a woman comes up to the table
and she goes, why haven't you called me back? And
I look at her like deer in a headlight, like
what are you talking about. She's like, you've never called
me back, Like I'm really upset with you. And Becca's
staring at me and I'm like, oh my god. And
she walks away and I look at back and I'm like,
I literally don't know this person, Like I do not
know this person. An hour later or whatever it was.
(08:44):
Another girl comes up and I was like, why do
you call me back? And so my friend who had
set me up for the take the drinks, she was.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Doing it with me.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
No, she's trying you look good. Maybe maybe it was
bad firing with Becca because she was like, oh my gosh,
she's a place.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And so setting her up with my sister, I'll show her.
So it was.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
It was a wild moment where these like women kept
coming up to the table. But anyway, so that moment
in our life was I kind of like brought into this.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Book, how Ivy and Freya?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Yes, yes, And I guess getting into the book more
just to set up the scene. So Ivy again hyperreality
in the sense of like America's more progressive than Europe
at this time and England, and so Ivy and her
brother Prescott from America, they moved to England to find
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him a wife because the only way to guarantee his
inheritance is to marry a woman in England, because our
father was from England. And so we meet the Talent
sisters and there's a bunch of sisters and a couple
of them are queer, and there's this character named Freya
and is one of the few sisters left to marry,
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and so she has a lot of pressure to marry
a man because they need to continue the family line.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And so that's kind of the setup.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
And so we go to England to kind of set
him up with one of the town sisters and then
my character ends up falling.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
In love with her. How does it end.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
You'll have to prove the buyer.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It doesn't end, but maybe that season two or book two, yeah,
book the sequel.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah. So yeah, So that's kind of the setup of
of the story.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
So it's like loosely based off of our meet cute
and then obviously it's been really you know, Beca's been
able to tell our story a lot, and so this
was kind of my way of telling my experience through
the character's eyes of Ivy and navigating you know, meeting
you know, these sisters and Freya and like having my
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world turn up side down. And she's like this sapphog
poet in the Victorian era, and so she's like this
known lesbian poet, and so the younger sister like knows
of her. Like, so I was trying to find like
little things to like have little throwbacks. But but Yeah,
it's really fun.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
It's really fun, and it's three hundred pages.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I think the fonts it's hya so the font you know,
it's a quick read why young adults, oh.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Words, So I appreciate, but yeah, it does have to
spoiler alert.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
It does have a hopeful ending. And for me growing up,
all of our queer representation ended in like suicide or
death or like in love and like really having to
hide our relationship celebrated exactly. And so I was really
inspired by the concept of, like, Okay, what if you
could be gay, but you're still not equal as women,
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and you're still struggling to to thrive in an economy
in a world, and so what does that look like
and how do you find your joy and happiness? When
maybe I also liked the idea of like, you know,
I think everyone can, whether you're queer or not, anyone
can relate to this love story because I think every
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single person is born with parents who have expectations of
who they're going to end up with, right, whether it's
your religion, whether it's your culture, whether it's your background,
and it always it's always gonna be challenging to navigate
regardless of those expectations and the disappointments, and so I
also really loved having just something so relatable in that
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sense where you can pick this up and read it
and see yourself in it, and sometimes you know, the
happy ending isn't like everything works out. The happy ending
is like, we're going to figure this out together and
we're going to like persevere through the hardships.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I do think it's super relatable, you know, stepping outside
of the queer community, like I was saying, I also
experienced some of that, Like I never thought in a
million years I would end up.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
With a divorced Jewish dad, you know what I mean.
And so it's just I think it is going to
be really relatable to a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, I think the whole concept is like, outside of
being queer, there's so many other things that people navigate
to be together and that they have to go through
with family or expectations or whatever that leads to that
decision of are we doing this together or are we
gonna wonder what if for the rest of our lives?
Like take obviously this is focused on queer a queer
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love story, but I do think a lot of people
can resonate with like differences of religion and beliefs everything.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
You're going on a book tour, I am, I'm not going.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
To Ye, it's a big deal. Not everybody gets a
book tour.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
This is my first book tour because my last the
last book that came out, Girls Like Girls, I was
already on tour, like for my music tour, and so
I was doing these like meet and greets every night,
and so I didn't really get to do an official
book tour. So this is like my first one, which
I'm really excited. We're going to New York, Chicago, Berkeley,
and then we ended in LA.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, we should go to the LA one. You should
definitely if you know, if you're in town, you should
come to the LA. What days the one is it?
The Barnes and Noble the Grove.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
November seventh is lah, November six is Berkeley, Wednesday November
fifth is Chicago, and Tuesday November fourth is New York City.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Ye, So if all of our scrubbers, we know that
y'all be showing up for things, So if y'all are
in the area any.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Of these dates, yeah, I'll be.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I think I think the scrubbers have like a one
up reading this book because they know they know much
about relationship, and so I think like it's going to
have like this Easter egg energy for them. I'm really
excited to hear their thoughts on it, because I'm really
really proud of this book and this has been something
I've been wanting to do for a really long time.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And yeah, you should be so proud.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Staring at it, it's like gorgeous, Like it has like
hints of Wicked colors, but like we love Wicked, so
there you go.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I didn't make that until now. There are different shades.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Number two, I mean, movie number two is coming out.
There's a lot of pink and green.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
There's a lot of pink and green energy right now.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
When you write stories, are you already conceptualizing TV or
movie when you're when you're working on the I know
the answer.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yes, we didn't rehearse this by the no no, no, no,
This is all I know.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
She's gonna ask no, Like I you know, Girls Like
Girls obviously was like a ten year journey into getting
the film green lit, And a lot of the reason
why I got green lit was because I, you know,
made girls and Girls into a ya and then became
a New York Times.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Best seller, and so that helped push So a lot
of these.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Like films and television shows you're seeing a lot of
them are inspired by books, and that seems to be
the best path forward for Hollywood and quotations for IP.
And so when I was developing this story and writing
this story, I one hundred percent was thinking, like.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I would love for this to be a TV show,
or like it'd have to be a.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Really long movie if it was a movie, like I
need like two and a half hours kind of vibe
because they're just so much like Juicy, you know, stories
and plots. But I would love to make it into
a TV show and then maybe like the next season,
you follow another character. Oh there's another really cool place
in the book called the Bridge, which is like the
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West Hollywood of.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You know, the Victoria era exactly.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
And so once a month, like they all meet at
the Bridge and like everyone just gets to celebrate and
like there's like boats, and it's really like a magical
like the parade.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, like just like kind of like a Pride.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Night, but like once a month and everyone comes together,
and so you know, maybe in future seasons I could
follow another character, But I just love world building, and
I was really excited to challenge myself more because like
Girls Like Girls was from like my youth, like high school,
and so it was really fun to get to be
inspired by the love that I have today and beyond,
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and so that was like really cool to kind of
challenge myself a bit more, to see, like what would
it be like if Ray and Ivy like existed in
the Victorian era, and like what would happen?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
What happened to us?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You mentioned your directorial debut, Girls Like Girls, coming out.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I haven't gotten an official date, but I'm hoping next year,
twenty six yes, and any day in that year, yes, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, sooner than later.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
When you wrote Girls Like Girls in twenty fifteen, or
you wrote it in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Relased the music video on twenty fifteen, and then I said,
didn't start writing till later, So.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
No, I know, but I'm talking about the music video.
What the conceptual? Yeah, the Girls Like Girls conception. Yeah,
you were not in the video.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
I was not on purpose. Yes, why.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I wasn't in.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
The Girls Like Girls music video because I it was
like my coming out and so it was like my
half ass of coming out without putting my face on
it because I was nervous and.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
So really yes, and so I was too scared. It's
so hard for me to picture that now, I know
I was like too scared.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
But then like I had the amazing Stephanie Scott and
Kelsey Asville and they were the stars of the music video.
And so it was really cool to be able to
direct to the film for Girls Like Girls because I
was able to reclaim my space in that. And I
think that goes that's connected to not feeling represented in
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the Victorian era, right, like growing up being like, oh
my gosh, I'll never book a role like in the
eighteen hundreds or like because of just what I look like.
And so I think going through this Girl's Like Girls
experience was a really beautiful, like full circle moment where again,
like you said, it's crazy, I was so scared to
put myself in the music video and like have my
face in it, and like that was terrifying for me.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
How long was that process for you?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Like?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Were you okay? So you you knew that about yourself?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You said, I knew I was scared since I was
like five or six, but this was your half you
said half ass. I would say I was attached to
the song in the sense of, like, maybe if I
were to do it over again, I would have myself
in the video. So you were you said five six
when you knew yeah, yeah, yeah? And then when how
old were you when you like really put your face
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and name and everything out?
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Well, I mean that was twenty fifteen. Girls like girls,
I like, I was how old in the music video?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But it was like my song that I wrote because
I feel like I remember when you and Becca first
started dating. I was so I admired so much how
patient you were with Becca throughout that whole process, because
I was like, oh my gosh, Like if I were Haley,
I it would be so hard for me, like with
how you guys were doing things in the beginning. But
I was like, I think you obviously can relate to
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what Becca was going through because you had your own
journey through it.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I mean we've had totally different upbringings, but I can
relate in the sense of, like, you're ready when you're ready, right,
you know, And it's really scary to like just know
who you are and then also be like what are
people going to say? And it's so crazy to look
at my career that like that Girls Like Girls in
twenty fifteen, me speaking my truth would finally be have
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a whole career because I was like, this is who
I am, and then all of a sudden, I'm finding
all these people going, oh my gosh, I feel the
same way.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And that's why Girls Like Girls was so powerful.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
It is because we don't get to see women be
together and like win and like thrive in culture and
in spaces, and so as soon as I started doing that,
I was like, oh my gosh, My whole purpose in
life is to create hopeful career content to kind of
fill you know, when I when I'm like building my
decks for like music videos, or even when I was
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doing the film, when there's this thing called shot Deck
and you go on and you like, you know, it's
like it's kind of like a pinterest for like cinema, okay,
like a mood board, and you have such limited amounts
of films to choose from to be able to put
together a vision for like women loving women's stories. Oh interesting,
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and so like my goal in life is to be
able to fill up that void. So when you go
on shot Deck, you're like, oh my gosh, do I
take this image? Or do I take this image right now?
You're just like, so, I mean, you have like so
few images to work with because there's so many, there's
very little. I mean, it took me ten years to
get Girls like Girls made. It's just two girls falling
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in love and ends in hope, and that took ten years. Yeah,
and it's never been made before.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's wild. Yeah, and it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
And so that was my goal with Where There's Room
for Us is like I wanted to be inspired by
our love story and then bring it into a even
bigger world and find a way to maybe hopefully get
this made to be brought on to our screen so
people can be like, oh my gosh, I look like her,
Like I can succeed in life, you know, just representation
as a whole.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Where did a title come from?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
So?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Where there's room for us? The great question?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I think for me, it's always like creating space and
like wanting to have space.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And so I liked the idea of a title of
having some thing of like where there's room for us,
of like, like, even when.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
There's space, how do we fill up that space, and
how do we thrive in that space and how do
we take ownership in that space.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It's really interesting when you said, like, I don't know
what you call it in the movie world, but you
the Pinterest thing and not having a shot deck, not
having the amount of images to choose from and stuff
like that's so that's just so crazy. I feel like
when I was I didn't really use Pinterest, but anytime
I would type in anything that I needed, it was like.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
It was there, right there, right there. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
And so imagine like as creators and filmmakers and authors,
and it's like you're trying to create something that hasn't
existed yet, and then you're trying to it makes it
super challenging because you're trying to prove to companies and
studios and people with lots of money that your idea
is a good idea and it's never been done yeah,
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or there's no proof of concepts. And like that's why
writing books has been like such a freeing moment for
me because I can just like do what I want
and take it wherever I want without anyone else yeah,
telling me, oh, we can't afford this scene, or we
can't afford this or we can't do it here. It's
like no, like I can have the place called the
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Bridge with lanterns and boats and you know, like meadows
and lavender fields, like I can do it all. And
this has been the most freeing medium in my life.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
I think, do you have a dream cast for where
that could do?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
What that would be the day. I don't have a
dream past because like it could take like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I'm just saying if it were to get mad, if
it were to get made in the speedy sense next.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Year, I haven't thought about that. Actually, really, that's like
the first thing I thought about.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Well, I guess I don't. I'm very like, once I
have an idea, I have to do it and it
has to happen. And so I try to not lock
myself into an exact vision because once I do it,
like if I were to be like it needs to
be whatever Margo, Robbie or whatever, if it didn't happen,
it could never happen.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, well she has.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
She had.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
There good answer, just like we rehearsed.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
When we see like we obviously see you on the
podcast and people get to know you, but I do
feel like your social media you have really allowed people
to come in and see more of your personality.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Thank you. I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Has that been challenging because I feel I have this
theory that people who are in the industry as like
actors or uh, celebrities, that there's this sense of need
to be perfect in terms of how they're presented. Did
you experience like I know that we've talked about you
experiencing that need of like everything needs to like be perfect.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I think, like, well, during the pandemic, I just like
I stopped posting a lot, and so it's taken like
years to kind of like get back because I used to,
like I mean when I was like fifteen, I was
like YouTube vlogging being likely and I'm getting on the
plane and here I am, And I don't know if
it's like getting older too. I also think like we
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had such a private life for so long, so that
just like became like my normal and like my comfort.
But I am trying to like share more of like
my goofy side and me not being able to say
eyes yes if you've seen our TikTok. But I think
that's what was really fun about writing this book is
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like kind of navigating, you know, it just have like
hints of my my perspective and my experience through this
book and like navigating entering a new space and meeting
someone that's like so different from me, and and finding
a way to just like make sure that we end
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up together.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I mean, we don't talk about it a lot, but
we had to navigate a lot of things in our relationship.
And we've been together, you know, seven and a half years,
and there's been so crazy, a lot of hardships and
navigating like really hard conversations not only with each other
but with other people, and Haley, I have to say, like,
through it all, I don't know anything different, but I
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realized how fortunate I was to have a partner who
was so patient. And also there were a few things
where I may have been like I'm out, amout yeah yeah,
yeah yeah, And it really is a testament to how
much how much you love me and our relationship and
wanted to be with me, and how much I wanted
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to be with you. But I'm glad, like there's you
know that you have a way of expressing that because
there was a lot of time in our life that
was private before we came out publicly that it was hard.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I mean I think when you're well, right back at you, babe,
because you could have also been like, see, yah, this
is too hard. But I think it goes back to like,
you know, you meet someone and like they might have
a totally different upbringing or they might have a totally
different religion or culture, and it's like you're navigating, Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
What are my boundaries?
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Like what do I need in a partner, and like
can this person be come from a totally different world
than my world?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And like how do we meet?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
And also it's kind of like in Us against the
World's kind of thing too, where it's like how do
you navigate your love and also navigate all the other
relationships that have expectations, whether it's family or friends, Like
people always have something to say, and so it's just
like navigating a new relationship, navigating all of all of
these people's like feelings and thoughts on your relationship, and
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then like reclaiming your relationship and being like this is
our relationship and like if you're good, then I'm good,
and then the rest we'll figure out.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I think there's something so beautiful about being with
someone like a partner that is from totally a different background,
because like I mean, I just I can't imagine being
with someone that's exactly or is exactly like me.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Well, it challenges you, It challenges you too, but.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
It's such a beautiful thing to like learn and accept
and grow and like experience new things. And I don't know,
I just think it's like it's a beautiful way to
experience life.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Yeah, And I but I think it takes courage, Like
and I think we live in a society that encourages familiarity,
encourages sameness, right, and just being like, you know, that's
what's easy, right, And so it takes a lot of
courage to be like, oh I haven't thought of it
that way, or oh, like there's another way to live,
(29:51):
or oh there's another way to be centered, or there's
another way to think about this, and so you know,
but that takes strength and not being a narcissist. So
self awareness is really key, it is, it is.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, But so with narcissism, there's like a lot of
narcissists out there, and I think it's like.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Eighty twenty we're in a world of about eighty percent narcist.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yes, and you guys are not in it, so congratulations.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, we work hard at that, not being narcissists. But yeah,
I feel like I'm just so proud of you. I'm
proud of us, I'm proud of our love and I'm
so I mean, reading your intro of all the things
you do is like it's it's so interesting because I'm
so familiar with it and I'm in it with you
and like the creativity and the process of it.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
But when I when I'm reading it from this perspective,
I'm like, whoa, she does a lot. It's so impressive.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
It really is so impressive. Like I'm.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Everything else aside just writing a three hundred page novel
is so hard, and I'm so proud of you, and
it looks beautiful and I do I want to manifest
and I hope that you that this can become like.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Your time New York. Yeah, there, Cellar.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
But also I could see it becoming like a Netflix binge.
Yeah we a binge, we get another binge? Yeah, like
a girly pop binge.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Tanya will be directing it, Yeah, I could be in
charge of the soundtrack exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Why so Tanya wrote a song and she wanted to
present it to you, but we're going to take a
break and we'll be right back, all right. So in
(32:00):
Monday's episode, Tanya was sharing a song that she has
written herself, and she performed a little snippet of it
on that podcast and then I thought, wow, you should
you should sing it, Na Haley, just to get any feedback.
And the floor is yours stle.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Where those room for us. It feels like there's a
sacrifice involved. Both parties have to sacrifice, sacrifice for love.
It's a thankless job.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
You run off and do what you want, sacrifice for love.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
But should the other one sacrifice too? Should it fades out?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
That wasn't really beautifl and I loved that you were
staring into my eyes the entire time, no blinking necessary.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I feel like I'm on Like that felt intimate. Yeah,
thank you, Tanya. That was beautiful. You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Well yeah, I mean would you turn your chair around? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, I'd be like, what is that song? Yeah? Wow,
we'll talk, Yeah, we'll talk people maybe yeah, viol violin
A violent version of that would be really lovely Victorian era, Yeah,
(33:38):
that would be absolutely stunning.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
So we did get engaged almost four months ago.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Wow, that's wild. I know, time flies. Time flies when
you're having fun.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
And the people are, you know, curious, Well they got
some curious. They're so curious about it's serious. What the
next plans are? Okay, the next steps?
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I don't know if there's anything you'd want to share.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Oh, is there something you want to share?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I don't have anything to share.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I hope to be proposed to. You are going to
I'm relaxed now.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Oh, you're just relaxing too.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
No.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I mean, like, you know, once you put a ring
on it, then we'll get the ball, get the ball
rolling on plans and stuff. But I've heard from many
people to have a long engagement because they said it's
like such an amazing like chapter and so you know,
I'm enjoying that. No, I'm really enjoying my fiance, I say.
(34:42):
And if you get to the end of the book,
you know, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, whoa, there's some bells ringing?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Maybe maybe not, I don't know. You got to read
the book. I'm so looking forward to your wedding. Oh yeah,
I'm excited to bok excited to read book. I'm like,
I'm excited for you to read the book, and I'm
excited for the wedding. I'm excited for it all. I'm
really excited too. I wanted to so.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Tanya has offered that if I if you need any
help planning my birthday next.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Week, she is of service, so that would be great.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I told her that you would reach out if you
needed anything because you saw her in action during the.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It was really harassive. Yeah, I've never seen anything like it.
You guys are crazy.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, she talked about it a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I was really impressed your planning skills. Yeah, so honored.
I feel thoughtful, very thoughtful. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome.
I'll text you after this. Perfect. How many interviews do
you have lined up? I have a few, but I
wanted to come here first.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
You know what could be at the book tours?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Well, depending on the city, there's uh, there's met and
greets at every city, I believe, and then there's Q
and a's in a couple of the cities.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Uh. So that's what you should expect. Unfortunately, no like
concert performance, you know, no acoustic performance a recession.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Sorry, all right, I'm really excited. It's just like so
lonely online sometimes and so I'm so excited to see
people in person and just like reconnect with my community,
my people.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Haley's very much needs social interaction.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
But she like if we are just in the house
for too long, She's like, I it's time, I need
to I just have to.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Do one thing a day. Yeah, if I just do one,
what's the thing? Like go to Target? Yeah, oh okay, or.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Like go to a grocery store, but not like you
don't need to go to like an you don't need
to go to dinner or like a No, I need
to leave the house once a day. Yes, and Becca
could be in the house for three plus days with
seeing with no oxygen, no fresh air, and then nothing
stop outside.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, but you don't have to.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I don't have to, but I do.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
It is a really impressive thing, very like bare hibernation energy.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
That's how I recover. But she gives a lot of
comfort from socializing. Yeah, like if I socialize, I need
to recover.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, if you got on.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
A Friday, you best believe Saturday, Sunday, Monday, she done.
We went to a party on Friday and we did
nothing Saturdays.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
But she had to get up and go do something
and that was herding. She's fulfilled that she had an outing.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, I understand that I can't sit. I can't watch
TV during the daylight. It's called something. It's called like
it's no, it's called something. It's called like she can't
watch daily. No, it's like something where you can't watch
TV during the day because it's no because you feel
bad because you should be like seizing the day.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Oh, I have that, but not a TV thing. I
just have that as like a baseline. Yeah, like I
have to go seize the day or like do something
like I cannot if I want. Even there's a show
that I love and I have the afternoon, I can
watch it at two pm. I will not watch until
like six. Really, yeah, it's sick we.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Put our TV in a spot where the glare makes
it impossible to watch to start watching it during the day.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, really I love a day watch. But again I
still have to have my outing.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I was speaking thinking about talking about
no acoustic performance because it's a recession. But are you
people I get dms all the time about you making
more music?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Are you working on music?
Speaker 5 (38:36):
I am working on music. I you know, obviously just
staring at me. You know, did the Girls Like Girls
movie and we're you know, wrapping that up. But uh,
there's plans to have more music, a new album. We'll see,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Stay tuned, do you know or do you just can't
tell us? I just can't tell you. That's fair. Yeah,
I tell you a lot of things though, for sure.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
But yeah, I've been I've been in the studio. I've
been writing music, so yeah, you know, stay tuned. I
have some really good songs that would work really well
for this book.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
But like, oh there's a song, an unreleased song.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, there's a song, perfly.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
I get to hear everything, but I think I'm gonna
wait and keep it for like future, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Like it's got to be the right timing.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't be released.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
But I do have a collab with Cash Cash coming
out October thirty first, called Sadness. I just remembered October
this like Halloween, Yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Is that next week?
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, yeah, October. There.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
I do have a song, but I did it like
I did it a couple of years ago with these
guys Cash Cash it's called Sadness.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
It's really cute, it's really catchy, really catching.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Weirdly found myself singing it and I haven't heard it
since she did it, which was like years ago, and
I found myself singing it and I was like, what
is this song that I'm singing?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
That's good year worm?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Ye, yes, very sick.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, it's almost askey as that.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Yeah. Yeah, So you'll have a little bit of music
next week and then and then not till twenty twenty seven,
twenty twenty six. Oh okay, yeah, okay, so albums you
squeezing the information out of me.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah, just give the people a tease, give the hand.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's just it's a lot. It's a lot, you know, Like,
it's just I'm I need to be everywhere I know
once and you want to give, you want to give
the book, like this is the time for the book.
So yeah, this is the book, and the book tie
and then and then the movie and then the album.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Yeah, everyone's doing fourteen things in one year.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Correct. I can barely squeeze in three appointments in a day,
so yeah, I like one appointment a day personally.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Do y'all have your Halloween coster. You have your Halloween costume? Yes,
we do, not you do.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Do you know what it is?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I do know?
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Share talk of your hints.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
This book is very giving. The vibe of my really interesting,
like a Bridger energy address as a book.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Colors, Oh wicked.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Nice. We have to figure out, we have to figure out.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
What we're gonna do, like literally today. I know, why
don't you be demon Hunters? I know, I love Yeah,
I wanted to do it too, but Rob was like,
oh I love that, but I like being green. So
I'm trying to figure out another clean.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Moments only so much you can be.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
You kidding track Guardians of the Galaxy, and you could.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Be I already threw that out there, but she didn't
want to be kermit.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Well, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
I'm trying to think of my face being like you
have to wear both with that claw, it's like that
fuzzy cloth.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
He's like a fuzzy cloth. Yeah, not Linen, What is
first all you said green? You didn't say it had
to not be.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I know, I know, but I like it to look
pretty real. I'd have to like build a cardboard face.
I don't know, if I have time.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
We'll see yeah, but I did think Shrek was a
good idea, but maybe not this year. It's a lot
feels very like time intensive. Yeah, I think you could
do it. You think you want to do my makeup
for it. I don't think you want me to do
your makeup for it. Let's just start there.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
TVD, TVD. We got five day.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
I'm pretty stressed.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, we're pretty stressed. It's fine.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Yeah, no, it's fine. It'll be great either way.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
And then we have our birthday, which is so fun,
so fun would be the best. Soak up thirty seven girl.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Yeah, back spasms are on the way.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
One year starts to go south.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, I got one year of pain free life.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Oh my gosh. Can I talk about the audio book?
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
Please.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
So the audiobook is phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
I wasn't going to read it, but I ended up
reading the Ivy chapters because I can't do a British accent.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
And then we got the amazing Jemima.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
Kirk to read Freya's chapters, and so it's myself and
Jemima Kirk and then there's like amazing music in the
audiobook and it literally feels like cinema.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I'm like so proud of it.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I love an audiobook book personally. I enjoy reading. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I enjoy them both. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
Well, and it gives for the If you're an audiobook person,
definitely listen to it because I'm.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
Amazed, super super proud of it.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Where can everybody buy every it? You literally can get it.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Anywhere you get books and anywhere you get audiobooks, so
you know, you're any bookstores to Barnes and Noble, to
Amazon to Audible, like you can literally just type it
in and you'll find it. I also have a link
in my bio on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
And where can people follow you already? Just my name
hey like Kyoko on all platforms yeah, or you can
find me through Becca's Instagram too.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
I'm so excited and proud of this book, and I'm
really excited for people to get to to see it
through the eyes of Ivy and Freya. So thank you
so much for supporting us and me and enjoy where
there's room for us.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Grubbers wait to read it.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
We know how scrubbers show up, So go buy your
copy in any form. It's so beautiful, it's like a
relic is that what you call it? A relic?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Oh wait yeah. And two you can take the top off,
So I did that with girls and girls tooo. So
that's like it's like a chic like a coffee table book.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
So pretty art art.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
She thinks of everything.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yes, es, love you guys, We love you.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
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