Dream Jobs with Alex Bordyukov

After Dean experiences some motorcycle trouble, he makes it to the studio with his friend from The Bachelorette Alex Bordyukov. Alex tells us about his experience on Bachelor in Paradise Australia, and he gives us some exclusive behind the scenes tea. 

And we hang out with the host of "Unspouse My House" on HGTV, Orlando Soria, who has some simple tips people can follow to change their home after going through a breakup. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hell, Hi Suck At Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared
and I Heart Radio Podcast. Hello and welcome to an
all new episode of Help I Suck At Dating. My
name is Jared haven I am not joined by Dean
Alert he will be joining us very soon. He had
some fan trouble, but he will be here very quickly.

(00:22):
Vanessa is not here either. She's taking the day off.
She will be here next week. So you are Help
I Suck At Dating with Jared Haven. Um. But we
have very great We have a great episode today. We
have a very special guests who's actually in studio with me,
so I'm not alone. Uh. Orlando Saoria is here, Orlando.
How are you doing now? Orlando? You have a new

(00:44):
show coming out on h G t V, which I'm
very jealous about because HDTV is my favorite channel. I
watched it all the time with my fiance Ashley. Uh So,
tell us about the show. It's great. Hi, thank you
for having me. First of all. Secondly, my show is
called un Bouse My House. Every week we take somebody
who's been recently dumped and we give them a really

(01:05):
amazing homemakeover to help them cheer up and to help
them heal. That's so. I love the name. By the way,
un spouse your house. It rhymes you know, so it
works out perfectly totally, and it like says what the
show is all about, which is basically just getting your
ex out of your house. Um. And so where did
you come up with the concept of the show? This
all start? Because it's it's true, you know, anytime you

(01:27):
go through a breakup, I think a lot of people
want to change a lot of things in their life.
And one thing to do that is to change the
interior of your house so you're not reminded. It's like
almost a fresh start. Yeah. So I actually got dumped
and I sorry to hear that. Um. And that's where
the genesis of the show began. So a few years ago,
I was living with my ex boyfriend in a home
that we had renovated together. I'm a designer, so I

(01:49):
did all the design and then he dumped me and
I moved on, and the only thing that kind of
got me through that period in my life was like
redecorating my new place. So I kind of found the
It sounds so cheesy to say, but like the healing
power of interior design through doing that and it was
a super depressing part of my life. But I wanted

(02:11):
to figure out how I could take that experience and
sort of pay it forward to other people because the
interior design part actually did help me so much. So
that's where the original idea came from. And then um,
we created a pilot and HDTV was immediately on board,
and it's just sort of gone really fast. We created
our pilot in September of last year, so the airing

(02:32):
this Thursday is kind of nuts. Yeah, that never happened
so quickly. I feel like I hear pilots, you know, Oh,
we did a pilot about a year and a half ago,
and now it's about to get picked up. So that
the fact that you had a pilot only a few
months ago and now your season one is airing this
Thursday is pretty incredible and fast. Yeah, it's insane. It's
really exciting. So and the show itself is so fun
to watch. It's just like a super feel good, sweet

(02:55):
show where I'm just doing nice things for people. It
feels really good to do it, and it's also just
like satisfying to watch. It's like sweet, it's funny. The
homeowners themselves are like so generous with telling us their
stories and being open and vulnerable about it. So I'm just,
you know, feeling a lot of gratitude about it. So
it's really exciting and it's also just like super entertaining
to watch. It's not like a second to get bored.

(03:17):
It's a really fun show. Oh well, I love redecorating
shows like my favorite show, well, my fiance's favorite shows
Property Brothers, and then she also loves loves loves love
it or list it doesn't like her two favorite. I'm
a big House Hunters guy an HDTV. I'm all over it.
So I'm very excited for this no show to watch it.
And so when you were were you in interior decorated
before the breakup? Okay, so you've been doing it for

(03:39):
like ten years? Okay, gotcha, So you're very experienced within
this field. Yeah, exactly what you're doing. And then did
you get into hosting just kind of after the breakup
and falling into it because you also wrote a book
last year? Correct? Yeah, So I've actually like the way
that I got started in interior design was that I
was cast to play an assistant on an HDTV show
about ten years ago. And then after that I started

(04:01):
doing interior design. Before that, I was doing production design
and stat design. Like I was basically like doing design,
but in a totally different capacity. So I've had those skills,
and I've also always been designing spaces. So it's just
kind of like a career that chose me. I didn't
really choose it. It just kept popping into my purview
and finally I was like, oh, I guess this is
what I'm supposed to do because I keep getting jobs

(04:23):
to do it. Um, So this show is just like
a really fun opportunity to combine my like content creation
and my writing skills into you know, showing people how
do we design their homes as well? And like you said,
you're helping people get through a breakup, And so how
does reimagining your interior decoration really helps someone get through

(04:45):
a breakup? How does this kind of work? And and
and through filming and through working with other couples and
and and people going through breakups? What have you seen
that specifically helps other people get through this breakup? Yeah? Well,
I mean so basically like Unspoused, my House is a
show about starting over using interior design as the conduit

(05:06):
for that. And I think people don't understand how important
their surroundings are to their emotional states, especially going through
a breakup. So there's so many examples of this. First
of all, if you have furniture leftover from your ex
that reminds you of them every single day, that's a
way that it's harder for you to heal. Secondly, a
lot of our clients and we're a renovation show, so

(05:27):
like there were people who had like crazy things that
their excess had chosen. Like this one guy had like
a crazy eighties like French country kitchen and he had
actually been divorced for like eight years, and he's like,
I've hated this kitchen for eight years. French country kitchen. Oh,
just like it had like foe distressing on the cabinets

(05:47):
and how like little like roosters in it. Just had
all these like details that were like not this dude style.
So he'd been kind of like living with the ghosts
of his ex wife. So there's things like that where
it's like this styles of the couples were maybe different,
and they compromise because they were in a relationship. I
think that's a healthy thing for everybody to do. Um.
But then there's also things where you know, certain people

(06:10):
in relationships don't get to do things that they want
to do design wise because their partner doesn't like it. Yeah,
it's everybody. You're not alone. So like one hundred percent
of clients that I've worked with have had at least
a little bit of conflict with their partner, And I
think that's healthy and normal and you should compromise. But
the fun thing about going through a breakup, if you

(06:30):
can find one silver lining, it's that you get to
do whatever you want and it's all about you. You
don't have to worry about anybody else's style or their needs.
So it's kind of like just a great silver lining
to a horrible part of your life. Eastern Does Allison
get the final say on a lot of the interior
decorating or is it more of a dual effort. Yeah,
she she gets the final say. We've made a lot

(06:51):
of compromises, though, you know you can tell from looking
at me. I had a lot of superhero stuff open
in my studio. Part that did that. Now there's there's
a Back to the Future poster up in our house,
and everything else is very classy. Uh. I was curious
how often do you come in and someone is just
totally blank slate, like the their acts like took everything,

(07:13):
like they have nothing, because I'm picturing like a guy
in an empty apartment, just like what do I you
know we did have like so we have male and
female homeowners on the show. That was much more likely
to happen with the guys than it was for the women.
Um and for me, obviously that's way more fun because
I just get to be like, all right, I'm doing
whatever I want. I'm putting all the furniture that I

(07:35):
like into your place. When you have to incorporate pre
existing furniture, that's obviously a little bit more challenging, but um,
you know, that's one of the reasons that I liked
the idea for the show is that, like every time
somebody goes through a breakup, something happens logistically, and even
if you're like fine emotionally, it's a pain in the
ask figuring out like always separated half our furniture and

(07:55):
I don't have furniture, or like, um, I have absolutely
nothing like you were talking about, or are I'm stuck
with all of these like ugly ass things that my
ex shows that I hate so there's constantly, um these
just very practical things that come about during a breakup
that are annoying that also can be like a terrible
emotional drag. So there's a lot of different levels of

(08:15):
the show in terms of like, hey, it's practical, but
be there's a huge emotional part of it as well.
And so you talk about practicality because I think the
biggest thing for a lot of our listeners right now
is that if they are going through a breakup, they
would love to change the interior decorating of their house.
But obviously that comes with the price. So how do
you guys deal with that on the show? Is it

(08:35):
kind of you picked the couples and they're lucky enough
that the show will pay for it, or kind of
how does that happen so they're actually paying for their
own renovation. We put a little bit into it, but um,
we do incredible, really high end makeovers. Or because it's TV,
we have like magical ideality for a much smaller budget. Yeah,

(08:58):
it's it's real. TV magic some how is real because
things that should take like six months and cost a
hundred thousand dollars take like three weeks and cost well,
I'm sure brands are also very happy that they're going
to be featured on hd TV. Yeah, we're actually not
allowed to do that yet. Yeah that added a little
bit of a challenge. But um, it's uh do they

(09:20):
give you a budget like this is what our budget
is for remodeling or so. But I always tell people like,
there's so many things. My goal with my whole career,
which is why I've gone after TV and blogging and Instagram,
is to inspire as many people as possible rather than
like work with only like super wealthy people. And there's
so many things you can do post breakup to refresh
your space, starting with buying like a gallon of paint

(09:43):
and just painting a room. So I really believe that
everybody at all different income levels deserves to have a
beautiful space and just you know, you have to be inventive.
I was like a starving artist for all of my
twenties and I always had a beautiful place because I
was always creative. So if you take the time and
you take the energy to actually do it yourself, I
think that you can create a beautiful space for yourself,

(10:03):
regardless of how much money you have. No, I agree,
I think it's cathartic too to really kind of be
creative and put your own touch on your own house,
because you can kind of get lost in the mundane
nous of life, right where like day goes day by
day by day goes by and it's always the same room,
the same color, nothing ever changes, and before you know it,
fifteen years of your life has gone by without you

(10:26):
changing a thing. So I think you're right where it
can be refreshing and reinvigorating and like just even like
you said, paint the room, you know, Um, yeah, I mean.
And something that I'm trying to drill into all of
my clients on unspoused my house is taking care of
your space and creating a beautiful space for you to
live is a way of taking care of yourself, a
way of taking care of people for like who enter

(10:47):
your home. It's just it's a way of telling yourself
that you're important enough to do this for And it
also just changes the way your outlook is because when
you're looking around and things are beautiful, you feel so
much better about your life. Oh yeah, absolutely. Um. I
actually have eastern to harp on your point about like
reducing the star Wars and superhero posters. I have a

(11:08):
Superman poster, but it's a Christopher Reeve one from the
one where he's flying into the sky. But it's black
and white. So Ashley has allowed me to put it
in our room because it's a black and white kind
of artistic look at Superman where it's not very colorful.
The only thing is I have to put it in
a white frame. That's my only the only thing. Do

(11:28):
you think that's bad? No? I think it's great. Yeah,
But that's like, that's that's like the compromise right there.
I can have a Superman poster up, but it has
to be black and white and a white frame. Cool
with that, I can see that being cool. It's like, look,
you know, the least sort of conflict that I've ever
heard of in terms of a couple of fighting. To
be fair. I moved in with my fiance last year

(11:48):
and she lives with her. She lived with her sister
who still lives with us, and it was decorated as
a women's apartment, so I just moved into it. Like
there's there's one room that is called the glam room.
It is dedicated to that's your favorite room, obviously, Well,
my expects you spend all your time. I swear to guide.
It actually is where I spend most of my time
because it's we I was allowed to have my Like

(12:11):
I put a TV in there on top of the
dresser with my Xbox, so I go in there and
play video games sometimes as I'm surrounded by all these
very sparkly glam beauty products, which is fantastic though it's
not it's it's somewhat refreshing and nice, you know, into
that position. Yeah, it's cool. We're super excited Orlando for

(12:31):
your for your new show coming out and it comes
out this Thursday. H G t V. What time Thursday
June six on h G t V and the h
G t V app. That's perfect. Do you guys follow
up with any of the couples, because I find it
so interesting to see if if after they are done
redecorated in their house, if it truly helps them feel
better about everything they're going through. I've been texting with them, yes,

(12:51):
and it does. Like it's it's hard to condense into
the amount of time that we have each week, like
what's really going on with these people? But it's a
journey for them, and I think it's so wonderful for
them to be able to have somebody else come into
their life and like kind of be like, all right,
I'm doing this for you. We're going to create a
new space for you to start over, because it kind
of creates a punctuation point, like it's like this is

(13:12):
where the old life stopped and this is where the
new life begins. And they can see it in their
house and it sounds kind of superficial, but it's not.
It's just literally creating a new space for them to
start over, and they feel it like it's I like
just watch the edits of one of the episodes and
started crying like last week because I'm like, well, like
she really does you know? They changed, and you see

(13:33):
them change over the course of these few weeks. People
being told that they deserve a beautiful space helps them
make helps make them feel like worthy in other ways,
and it's like it's such a terrible time in your
life when you're like your self esteem is plummeting and
like there's so many other things going on with you
that to just have somebody like that you've just met
coming and be like listen, I'm giving this to you.

(13:55):
This is what you deserve and like this is going
to help you move on, is like just a great
way of helping them just heal, Yeah, I agree. I
think a lot of advice uh that people give for
someone going through a breakup is to do something new,
to do something fresh, um, you know, take a class,
or or go to go to a different gym, or

(14:15):
you know, go to someplace you've always wanted to go
for yourself. Um. And so I think a part of
that is, like you said, redecorating your house to make
sure that you're not coming back into a house that
reminds you of your ex. You know that you guys,
Oh we bought that table together. We used to sit
on that couch together. You know, this was our TV,
so on and so forth. Whatever it may be. Even

(14:36):
though it's material objects for all of us, I think
some material objects have uh you know, some emotional significance
behind them, uh. And so to kind of like try
to get those out of your sight uh and and
and into a new environment, specifically when you're coming home,
because that's where you are every day of your life. Almost. Um.
I think it's very important and something that's underrated, and

(14:58):
it's pretty cool that your show is bringing that out
to the forefront, so I'm excited to see it. So
on Spouse your House hosted by Orlando Storia Thursdays on
h G TV. Check it out, guys. I'm very excited
my favorite channel, so please watch my show. Orlando, thank
you so much for coming in. We really appreciate it. Bud,
thanks a lot. Well, you have another special guest in

(15:20):
studio who just arrived a little later than expected, but uh,
our co host Dean Unglerd is here. Thank you guys
for having me today. It's an honor to be here.
I'm a big, big fan of the podcast. Mark and Easton,
you guys are both incredible hosts of this podcast. Um
and what was your name again? Uh? Jared? Oh yeah, yeah, No,

(15:42):
what's Ben Higgins? Nice to me if you wish, I
do wish. Actually, so I said that you had van trouble,
but correct me, you had motorcycle cycle trouble. I'm I'm
putting my motorcycle into storage this week for my van expedition,
and there's just been an issue with the negative terminal

(16:02):
on my battery. The bolt always and the connection gets
lost from the battery to my motor while while I'm driving.
And today it happened again on the Inner State and
I pulled over. I looked at it, I diagnosed the problem,
figured out the boat was missing entirely. And so what
I did was, fortunately I had some dental floss in
my backpack, and I do have dental floss in your

(16:24):
I have dental floss in me everywhere. It's super important
for teeth. Dental. Hi, how many times do you flush
your teeth? Twice a day? Twice a day? You flush
your teeth every day. At least you're a better man
than meat. And you put your thumbs up. What do
you a big flosser over there? Now, I'm just proud.
Not a lot of people floss thank you. Yeah, my
dentist is very happy about it. For someone that doesn't
wear deodoran. And I put deodor in on this morning

(16:46):
to actually I bought it. I bought a fresh stick
with the odor because I'm like, oh, if I'm showering
half as much as I used to, I probably should
be wearing deodoran. Nobody wants stinky. So I showered and
used deodor in today. Do you put the finding healthy
deodorant like special deodor and just grab whatever. I grabbed
the act stick today or the last time. I don't
think that's really the healthiest. Everything else that was all
organic soaps from Thrive Market, which I absolutely love, shameless plug.

(17:11):
But now the dental floss saved my life because what
I did was I like, I uh forward and backed
it multiple times to create some strength and give it
some more durability. And I was able to tie and
connect the negative terminal to the negative prong on the battery.
And so now I'm just riding out of my motorcycle
that's basically held together by I felt pretty mug ivory.

(17:31):
That's I and I feel. So you're telling me your
motorcycle is being held together by dental floss right now.
That's what I'm telling you. And you wrote on it.
I wrote on your insane. I like I was doing
absolutely insane. There's no way in hell one. I'm not
a big motorcycle guy, but too if somebody said, hey,
would you want to ride this motorcycle that is literally
being held together by dental floss, You're out of your mind.

(17:54):
Shout out to Oral b for making some sturdy as floss.
It's on my Instagram story right now, I've been working.
I think I was here on time. That's great. Why
I purposefully wanted to document my issues so that way,
like when you guys initially, like inevitably believe up that
with me. Yeah, exactly. You can see, Oh, an hour ago,
Dean was on the side of the road dental flossing
his battery back together. And honestly, that's not even the point.

(18:16):
Doesn't even that that is the second most important thing.
The most important thing for you documenting your floss motorcycle
is the fact that you are keeping your motorcycle together
with floss. Yeah, that's the most important thing. That's pretty cool.
I live in a van and I'm keeping my motorcycle
held together with dental flaws. And you you have a
stash now just the stash, no more. What do you

(18:36):
think about the staff? I kind of dig it. Yeah,
I'm digging it. Um. Yeah. I was looking at myself
in the mirror this morning before I jumped in the shower,
and I just I just can't grow facial hair. I
know you have a similar issue, but you can grow
a lot more facial hair than I can grow, Okay,
And I was looking at myself and it was just
all scraggly on my chin, and I didn't want to
fully remove my facial hair, and but I wanted to

(18:57):
clean myself up a little bit, and so that and
I said on the mustache, So if you head south
somewhere sometime soon, are you gonna keep stash? The stash
is gonna stay in my face for the very foreseeable future,
regardless of location. It's a very traditional mustache, very traditional
Tom Selleck kind of mustache. Yeah, I appreciate that. It
wasn't a compliment. I'll be honest, I don't know who

(19:22):
Tom Selleck is, but anything thing that you say about me, Mark,
I'm taking you as a compliment. Just I'm trying to
establish it's not there's no food two element to it.
It's not curling up at the end. It's just a
straight traditional muscle. So here's the thing. I could have
gone all the way down to the jawline. I could.
I did keep the flavor saver for a little bits,
but I was looking at it, I was like, wow,
that looks That's what I normally do is I keep

(19:43):
the flavor saver. But this time I was like, you know,
I'm just gonna go straight mustache. Why is it called
a flavor saver because food gets stuck in there and
you can lick it off later. I've always called it
a stinger, a little little soul patch. I've never heard
it called a stinger before. I I have not called
it anything in reference to like it's like the mustaches,

(20:04):
like the head of the manta ray and then the bottom. Okay,
I could see that the way. You know, Tom, you're
telling me I look like that good looking dude. Here,
come on, stop it now. You know it's funny. My
wife and I were talking about you that you're a
classically handsome guy. So are you thank you? What were
you saying about me? That's weird. There is a phenomenon
of good looking guys doing what they can to become

(20:27):
less attractive. Yeah. Interesting, You want to know what it is,
and I've I've thought about this. I'd like to hear.
It's it's beyond physical attraction because the van thing and
all that stuff. I'm trying to remove people's inherent biases
when they meet me. Interesting. I want to I want
to be able to introduce myself to someone and then,
you know, it sucks to say, but as a tall
white man, people have these inherent general ideas of who

(20:48):
you're going to be, and I'm just sick of things
being so easy for me because of that. You know,
So you grew ustache and it's I'm growing my hair out.
I want people to like me for me, not because
of how I look or how anything else other than
the fact that I just am hopefully a decent enough
guy for you to get along with me, you know

(21:08):
what I mean. And I know it's it sounds weird
because it sounds weird because as a white guy, were
afforded so many privileges in life, and who would ever
want to strip themselves up those privileges. But it's true.
It's like I just don't I don't want to be
liked for how I look. I want to be liked
for what's inside of me and what I say and
how I think and all those other things. Yeah, but
I don't think changing your appearance is gonna It's certainly

(21:29):
people look at all this and giving me for the rightfully.
So you've been giving me a lot of stuff for
the van, for the hair, for the facial hair, and
again justified, it's all justified. I'm your friend, if I'm
not the one busting your balls. Who will exactly. But
you're busting my balls because you're my friend, and I
appreciate that. But all of the things that you're busting
my balls about are things that people are then noticing
when they meet me for the first time. You're busting

(21:49):
my balls because you're you're giving me honestly, sarcastically, but
then that's also what other people are observing as well,
you know what I mean, Which is great, that's exactly
what I want, so you But then at the same time,
you're giving off a perception that you want to put
out into the world. What do you mean, Like, you
want to give out this perception that, Hey, I'm the

(22:10):
guy who's like growing a mustache, growing out my hair,
doesn't care showers, and I live in a van is
which isn't a bad thing. I'm not saying it is,
but it just means that you are trying to put
a perception out there. I mean, where like you could
be putting out the perception not saying one is better
than the other, but of like the good looking, traditional
successful Yeah, I mean you can say that about anything.
You're trying to do anything, and every whatever you're doing,

(22:30):
you're trying to do that thing exactly. You're always trying
to put a perception out there. So so yes, the
the what I'm trying to do is, as Mark so
eloquently put it, I'm trying to make myself as unappealing
as I possibly can. So that way, when someone is
enamored by me, I know that it's because of what's
inside of me that they're enamored by, not what I

(22:52):
represent on the outside. See, I think the opposite might
be happening because you are standing out so much by
making these decisions that no one else is going to make.
By you know, uh, changing up your physical appearance, or
living in a van or a thing, not showering even
though you shower, that's not a thing. But like these

(23:13):
things that you're trying to bring yourself down with might
actually be bringing you up because you're so different that
women are or men are attracted to that the semi sense,
it sounds like a story I've heard before called Beauty
and the Beast, except you put the curse on himself.
I remember how this came up. Now, We watched Survive
for my wife and I. It was one of our

(23:34):
things and it has been since we've met two years ago,
and uh so years ago dating yourself right now? Yes,
but this guy on there was an inventive Joe, gorgeous
looking guy. So he grows this giant mane of hair,
has his weird handlebar mustache and like a pointy beard
under it, like a villain in a silent movie. And
it's like, what is the deal? I said, I think

(23:55):
this is the thing good looking guys who try to
like ugly themselves up or something I mentioned Dean. I
said to her, I got this guy this podcast with
gorgeous guy doesn't shower, doesn't wash his hands, lives in
a van like it's all this stuff. So the irony
of this whole thing is that as I agree with
you completely on white privilege and white male privilege, but

(24:17):
as a white male who was afforded a certain number
of privileges, I'd give a testicle to look like you
look you want to like mess it all up. That's
the irony of it is that everyone would like to
be better looking, except for the truly good looking who
want to mess themselves up. That's weird. I can see
your points, Um, I had something that I had a

(24:39):
point that I wanted to make but it escapes me now.
I don't know why I let it get away from me. Um.
This way, especially too, is if someone ends up being
interested in me, like I kind of alluded to earlier,
if someone's interested in me now at my quote unquote worst,
which I don't think this is my word. I honestly
think this is my my best. It's not much you
can do. I mean, the mustache is working. I love

(25:00):
everything that I've been doing, and then over the past
month or two has made me the happiest person I've
ever been in my entire life. And I think that
makes me my best but at my quote unquote shallow
level worst. If someone can accept me for that and
appreciate me for that, and that's great because I'm eventually
I'm going to revert back to being a functioning member
of society with a job and a regular, regularly kept

(25:22):
face and a good haircut and all these things. Uh.
And so if you're gonna love me for the fact
that I can be this unkempt, idiotic vagabond, then I
think that that will mean that for you know, future
future moving forward, It'll it'll all be good. I don't know.
That's my take on it. It's fascinating to me. Yeah,

(25:42):
it's fascinating me. And yes, I like to I like
to put myself. Um, I like to be playing from behind,
you know. I like to make things challenging. Everyone loves
an underdog, everyone loves a good comeback story. I like
to be playing from behind. And it's just you know,
it's on. I'm surprised that you see yourself having a

(26:03):
normal life someday. I was like, the same thing. It
used to say that you're ever going to go back
and get a nine to five or who's to say,
hopefully I don't have to your forties. You see yourself
going to work every day, clean shaven, well groom maybe
wearing a tie. If I don't have to, I definitely won't.
But here, But I mean, you guys both love your jobs. Obviously,
this is your This is your nine to five, right, Yeah,

(26:25):
it's those hours don't line up, but yeah, right, but
this is right, this is your Monday through Friday, Like,
this is what you do to two. And you guys
really do enjoy what you do. I do. I know
for a fact that it's just because me and Jared
are here once a week and everything else is just
kind of extra, you know, auxiliary. You're welcome. Um, sorry
Seacrest if you're listening to this, Um, he's not. And

(26:46):
that's great. I think, I think that it's great that
your interests can align with your work, right. Yes, I
I wanted to be in a radio since I was
about five years and that's faculous. I haven't really found
that yet, and I would hope by the time in Forday,
I will have found that. Uh, and by that point
I can assimilate more appropriately into the society that we're
living at the time. You know, I don't know. Do
you think you'll ever find that? I hope I find. Well.

(27:08):
I think you definitely need to go after the things
that you want in this world, like the things that
you love. Right. You can always fail in life, right,
And so I was actually uh listening to certain things
like this on the way here where the worst thing
in life, I feel like is when you compromise and
then you fail at what you compromised for. I think
that's the worst, right. Everybody is okay with failing when

(27:30):
you're going after the thing that you love. So what
I'm saying is I love a lot of things in
this world, right, So I could find myself doing a
lot of different things within this world that I love
that I go after, but it's not like one one thing.
Does that make sense? Like? So for you, I don't
know if you're you're saying like, I'm trying to find
this one thing that I love and hopefully I can
figure it out and then I'll do that for the

(27:51):
rest of my life. I'm not sure if it's one thing,
you know, I don't know. What would you do, Jared?
If you could do any job in the world, what
would it be? Uh, any job in the world. I
would be a film director. That would be my my job.
The creativity of it and to be able to create
a film from scratch and see it all come together
is a pretty cool aspect. Okay, Well, why don't you

(28:12):
start creating films? I've and in the works of it,
you know, writing scripts and just filming stuff and kind
of going with the flow. Have you done any classes
or any schooling in that regard. No. I was a
theater major in college for a little while, but it
was specifically acting. And then I've actually never taken in
a film course, but I have tons of friends within
the film industry. And then I've just been a film
uh connoisseur for quite some time that I've I've kind

(28:34):
of taught myself to a certain level. Now granted i've
i've I've I've done like small movies, but it's all
been acting and it was mostly during college. And then
I just did this small film with a buddy of mine. Um,
oh god, somebody walked in that we'll get to. But
I just did a small film with a buddy of
mine who's a director out here, and uh, it was
super fun actually did it with me. You ay should

(28:56):
definitely check it out when it comes out. It's when
is it coming out? It's called out It's called afterburn
As it comes out in like July. I think he's
releasing it. But it's literally like a six minute short
where I play a undercover cop who's investigating Ashley because
she's accused of killing her ex husband. And it's like
it's it's called after Burners and it's really fun. So

(29:17):
my buddy who I went to college with, that's how
it all. I met him when I was working at
Hollywood Video back in and he always wanted to be
a director. He was film school. He did uh student
films in college and we were together. He's like, dude,
let's do movies together. And so we did a couple
of short films and then he moved out here and
I stayed in Rhode Island, and then I ended up
being on the Bachelor and then moved out here and

(29:39):
and uh, and then we kind of rekindled and then
he was like doing him running this film, like you
should be in it, and I was like, yeah, man,
that'd be so much fun. And then he asked if
actually wanted to be in it too, and was like, yeah,
that would be super fun. So so it's cool anyway.
I Uh. There was a guy who has friends with
a couple of years ago who on Instagram his bio said,
if you want a normal life, get a normal job

(30:00):
up And that is always kind of stuck with me
because to that point, and to what we were talking
about earlier is I don't want a normal life, so
why would I go and get a normal job again.
I think the reason I had a normal job before
was at a necessity. And it's funny is I've actually
gotten job offers to go back to recruiting in the
past couple of months, six figure salaries, a great opportunity,

(30:20):
great company, like great opportunities, and I've said no to both.
There's two of them. I said not to both of them. Um,
because I was thinking about it too. It was like,
let's say everything hits the fan. Obviously, I know I
can't ride this this bachelor train for the rest of
my life. And so let's say in five years when
all this is kind of fizzled out, I would have
no issue in my opinion, going back to like Aspen

(30:40):
and working at like a hotel or like as a
lift operator or something that I would would still be
able to do the things that I find interesting and
I have done before, and I see people that I
admire still doing to this day. Um. I heard the
women flock like the salmon of Caprona. That's right. The
beer flows like line out there. You don't have a
dream job. If you could do any in the world,

(31:00):
that's a challenging question, travel blogger or something like that.
I think that if I had a dream job, I
would be focusing single mindedly on on how I could
get that job. And I don't have that. I don't
have that, so I'm not I don't have anything to
necessarily focus on. Um. I'm focusing on doing the things
that I find interesting, like skydiving or out climbing, living
in the van, traveling and hiking and all this stuff.
But I don't know exactly how or what I can

(31:23):
do long term. Otherwise, like I said, I would be
working tirelessly hopefully to to get that to happen. But
until that happens. Um Anyways, while we were talking here
as his years off, one of my really really really
good friends and walked into studio. Whoa was that English?
One of my really good friends walked into studio? And
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before that break, one of my good friends has joined
us in studio randomly on a whim. He texted me
last night and said, Hey, I'm catching a flight to
Los Angeles for a couple of days. What are you doing.
I said, I'm recording a podcast tomorrow and I want

(34:43):
you in studio. Alex Bordakov, Yeah, that's a lie I
asked to come. I'll say, hey, can I come see you?
And that's the only way I can catch you these days.
Mind my schedule with you. Are you really gonna make
me go to my phone and on recording a podcast tomorrow?
I would love for you to calm. I missed you

(35:04):
so much. I'm excited to see almost That's exactly what
I said. Okay, So for everyone else has invited me
to your podcast, but you even Jared somehow like I
just met him and invited you more than Dean has. Right,
I understand why the NUSSA wouldn't want to invite me,
you know, after we dated for like six months and
broke up. That's just steve me passionate. Well, yeah. I

(35:25):
mean the sex was great, the rest of it was terrible.
So for the listeners out there that I don't know Alex,
you should because he's been on the podcast before. He
was on my season in the Bachelorette. And I say
my season because it was my season. It really was,
so I wish I could argue with that. He was
most recently on Bachelor in Paradise Australia, UM, which just
finished airing. Yeah, a couple of months, and uh, I mean,

(35:48):
can you just tell us about that a little bit.
So both of you, Jared and Alex, had both been
on Back to Australia. So I was on Paradise the
year before you. Yeah, yeah, I've heard about. You know,
obviously I heard from the people there because if people
came back and they're like, oh, yeah, we know Jared,
and I know how Laura went back. She came back
for like the last two days or something like that.
She got screwed, you know, she came in like literally

(36:08):
right before we got at home. That blows. Florence was there, Yeah,
she was there, and then who else Mac maybe you
know him, but he was there last Oh no, but
I'm friends with his buddy Jake, Okay, yeah, so you know,
I mean obviously they call and they you know, they
asked you, hey, you want to come out with Fiji
and they pay well, and none of it follows you
back home. So I'm like, yeah, let's go. None of

(36:30):
it follows you back home, right, I didn't have a
girl for nothing. I was like, yeah, And I was
supposed to only go for like a week, maybe because
I didn't expect to last there. I don't think they
expect me to last. And then I was actually I
told me, hey, you just fly me out to Australia
after I'll visit for a couple of weeks and then
go home. But I ended up staying the whole time,
from beginning to end. Well, so I walk us through

(36:52):
it because I'm pretty well versed to the story. I'll
admit I didn't watch, but I got through your first
hand accounts, which I didn't need to because it was
better than watching anyway, of course, because you get the
real story and it's like getting an audio book of
the behind the scenes and I gotta listen to your voice. So, uh,
you went to Bachelor Paradise, Australia. You you hit it
off with a girl who I thought was the cutest,

(37:14):
one of the cutest girls in Bachelor franchise. What was
her name, Brooke, Brooke. She was adorable, Yeah, she was.
I mean, she was a great girl. I mean, but
she got herself involved in like a love square. I
wouldn't say she got herself involved in the love square.
There was a lot of pressure on her, so obviously,
so I went in. I didn't know anyone. I didn't

(37:34):
do any research something. I'm like, I'm gonna show up
to see what happens, right, so I know only to
me she was there Dan, like she was their popular girl,
like Dan after the Bachelorrette not Paradise, Yeah right, right right,
So like the whole Australia, she's an Australia's sweetheart, and
and she was just someone that I had translating like
kicked it off and just we're hanging out and we

(37:56):
spent i mean pretty much the whole time together until
she left. They didn't didn't show any of it because
they really wanted to play out that same sex relationship
she had. And you hear everyone in the interviews like hey,
Alex and just spending all this time together. She didn't
have time for anyone else who didn't show any of it.
They literally didn't even show kiss which they're like, oh,

(38:17):
they didn't even kiss. I'm like, and I'm not someone
want to like kissing Tom. But I'm like, all right,
we're really gonna play it down that much because they
did it to a few people at something up a
couple of other people actually at Connections. They didn't even
show it. They just had a pretty strict narrative that
they were like, we're sticking to this and uh, online, okay,
I tried watching my season. I couldn't like find any

(38:37):
link and then it said it wasn't being you could
do it through a proxy, which is kind of annoying
because they have to do it all the time in
Australia because you get GEO blocked, so they know how
to do it. We spoil, we get spoiled. In the US,
we can pretty much get access to whatever we want.
So everyone's like, what's the VPN? When I was in China,
I had to use the VPN that you have even
just Instagram and Google, which is kind of a bummer.

(38:59):
But um, okay, So so you and Brooke, so yeah,
we hit it off. You know, she's there for two
rolls ceremonies. I gave her the rolls the first ceremony,
she gives me hers the second one, and then before
the third one, they actually asked her to leave. What
do you mean they asked her to leave? They gave
her an ultimatum and this is like, this is my
paradise exclusive. I actually didn't do any interviews about this.

(39:21):
No one cares and uh yeah. They basically told her, hey,
you either follow up on one of these more controversial
relationships you have or go home because Alex is born,
which is true. You know, I'm terrible TV. I'm just
kind of sensibility is not very market about interesting. You're right,
and that's why we hang out. Very interesting hearing that

(39:43):
because I felt like in Australia, at least my season,
I feel like the producers were really hands off. They
were as far as like so in US, you become
friends with your producers and you hang out with them,
they try and you know, break you basically from the inside.
These guys just kind of come in and more on
the outskirts and they say, we'd like to see that,

(40:04):
but they will have like little chat with you, like
in private and say what they want to see from me.
They kept wanting me to like talk to more girls.
They're like, oh, give us like college, Alex. I'm like college,
Alex had a girlfriend. He talked to even less girls,
and he was way more awkward. Okay, but what you
were saying that Brooke got an offer or what were
you saying that happened. Yeah, they basically told her, Hey, yeah,

(40:26):
the ultimatum basically said, if you want to stay, you
can date Alex, so you can leave. Don't you think
it would have been a more beautiful love story had
you been like, you know what, I'm going to date
him regardless. Yeah. Absolutely, But obviously she didn't tell me
either version of these, you know, so you know, as
far as I knew, she came in she said goodbye,

(40:47):
and I mean we had like a long like pony goodbye.
They just again played up like, you know, the more
dramatic one was on there Alex. Yeah. Well, it also
was convenient that both guy and the girl she was
dating where Alex. So on her exit, they flipped our interviews.
What do you mean? So she was like, I'm a
girl's name was Alex too. Well I know that, but like,

(41:08):
what do you mean? They flipped the interview. So when
she was talking about oh, you know, I really felt
a strong connection with Alex, She's talking about me, and
then there was no spark with Alex. She's talking about
the girl, and they flipped it and that. How do
you know that because I talked to her exact same thing. Okay,
so then Brooks gone and then you and you stay obviously,

(41:30):
so what happens and then the thing is like the
whole time almost like hey, if you leave, I'm out,
you know, because I haven't they give you a guarantee
as far as you know you pay. I don't. I'm
not making any more here, so I can leave. And then, um,
it was really late when she told me that, I
just didn't pack, so like honestly that night I was like,
you know, it's like midnight. Yeah, I don't want to
pack all my stuff. So I'm just gonna figure it

(41:52):
out tomorrow. And the next day it was the rose ceremony.
So if I'm leaving, it was a guy's power. I'm
taking another person with me. I'm like, all right, well
I'll just stay, give my rose out and then and
then leave. After That's what I did. I I I
left and I took someone see, well, what happened was
I had the opportunity to leave at the Rows ceremony,
not hand out a rose. And at this point it

(42:13):
was kind of sil review. I was there for like
two weeks and I wasn't dating anybody, and I was like,
I just want to go home, and so they're like,
you don't have to hand out your rose, and I
was like, that's exactly you know, I'm just not gonna
do it and it'll be fine. It was it was
literally the week before like the final couples, and so
I was like, they're all like, everybody wants to stay
for an extra week, but it's literally supposed to only
be couples only. So I'm gonna leave and then they'll
be fine too. Yeah, it was later in the game.

(42:34):
I get it, Like mine was. We were with two
three weeks and so we still we won't even have
were like halfway points. I was that would be, you know,
rude of me to do that. So and then I
talked to the producers, like to the executive producers, and
she said, hey, I hear you might be leaving at
the rowth ceremony, and uh, you know how you feel,
and I'm like, yeah, I have nothing else left here

(42:55):
to do. I mean, I know everyone here for me
to chase an the other girl, they would know they
were my second option and they wouldn't be fair. Um.
But she was like, and then I go, what you know,
I can need to leave tonight or I can stay
till next bro ceremony. Just get eliminated there. If you
won't be too bla obviously, I can pay me more.
She's like, no, we'll we'll pay you, just stick around
do nothing. I'm like, all right, I mean sold, like

(43:16):
I already got the time off work anyway, right, I
mean uh so. And then that's when Caroline came in
a couple of days later. And this is Caroline from
the US Bachelor, Caroline Money from You, who's notoriously known
for her uh what's it called? What's the reunione? Oh
my god? Where she was like calling out Ari. She

(43:38):
had that famous line of like I know what you
did see. I didn't know much about her. We actually
spoke a little bit before. It was like some accuse DM.
She she was actually asking me set her up with Peter.
So was like, she's not Internet every every I get
that way too often. And you you're Peter every single time. Oh,

(43:58):
Alex is so cute. Set me up with them. Peter
is the hardest man in the world. Set me up
with them. No to be there, Peter is the hottest
man in the world. I know, I know, I get it,
and so I can never hang out with the three
with the two of you, three of us. So we
were so, yeah, she shows up, and at first we
literally hate each other because like two Americans, like, I'm
not trying to take this home, like this is the

(44:20):
best part of this was like that was not gonna
follow me back, and uh, we have some yeahs, preconceived
notions about each other, and it just happened to be
that she So she took one of my best friends
there on the date, and I was like, they're just
trying to pull him into more drama. So I'm gonna
do my protecting, my vigilant thing and pull her off

(44:40):
to the side when they come back and just entertained
her until world ceremony. So I do that and we
just started getting along really well. I mean it was
very surprising to both of us, and uh, it just
kind of went from there and then what what went
from there? We just uh so for the next with
three world ceremonies. For the next second half the show
we dated there did you guys kiss? Yeah, we kiss,

(45:03):
and they showed that one show. But you still, as
an American dating an American on an Australian show, you
still saw a lot like screen time than say another
Australian couple would have. Well, I actually I spent most
of my time in slow motion, so I had my
screen the objectified this out of you very muself. But
that's what they recruited me for. Like that, my like

(45:24):
antics and just we talked we don't care about your personality,
We just not at and I like, you know, a
lot of like conversations. I was like, oh man, that's
gonna make it this time for sure, not it's just
me working out and sure to be honest, I mean
nine percent of the time it worked out in the
short because I knew that's what they wanted for me,
and did they still caught me like every time? Every time?

(45:47):
What's funny. So I was in Australia for Christmas and
New Years this past year. So I made a couple
of Australian friends and while a bachelor in Paradise, Australia
was airing, like three people reached out to me. They're like,
oh my gosh, you're friends with Alex. He's so hot.
I'm yes, I know, he's a beautiful human being. By
the way, what's up, haven't talked to you in six months? Um? Okay?
And so so you and Caroline dated on the show.

(46:09):
How did it end? So we left right before the
commitment ceremony. What I'm not sure like what the format
of that is. I actually didn't watch to the end
um and we just said, hey, let's try this back home.
She lives in Fort Lauderdale. I have a place in
Fort Lauderdale. It's like fifteen minutes away. Didn't even feel
like long distance in a way. And so I went

(46:32):
down there a couple of times. I visit her in
Boston her birthday and then which kind of after a
month or a month and a half kind of that's
when you have to have that conversation say, okay, well,
where's this going? Like it's been all fun, but is
this gonna go forward? Or did should we cut it
before it gets toxic in any way? And uh, we

(46:53):
it was. It was very mutual, like we really yeah,
we didn't want to be boyfriend girlfriend and it's just
this was how long ago? This was j your Yeah,
and then we had to wait like six months. They
take forever a long long time. You forget what happened though,
to be fair, because you're watching backs, like, oh, yeah,
that it did happen. The films in November and then

(47:13):
it doesn't air until like April something like that. It's crazy. Yeah,
by the time I was like, oh yeah, I did
from that show. I remember last year when I was
on I filmed in November. You guys filmed Winter Games
after US, and then Winter Games aired like two months
before Paradise aired, and it was weird because it was

(47:36):
when everything with Ashley was going down, and so like
Winter Games was over and it was like kind of
moving on and then all of a sudden, I mean granted,
not much American exposure came from it, but like I
was just getting tweets like you're on Bachelor and Paradise
Australia and it's like I filmed that like five six
months ago, Like it's so I'm so detached from it now.
It's weird. Yeah, I felt the same way. Did you

(47:58):
ever go back to Uster earlier or no, No, I
never did. I was gonna go back for a charity
event with some friends that I met from the show,
but it was just kind of it was it was
a bad timing and it was kind of just too busy.
And plus it's it's from here, what an eighteen hour fla.
It's not an easy trip and it's not inexpensive. It's both.
But you could probably get a compt I mean, I

(48:18):
all international television celebrities, but he was at that time.
I found that. But I was also not like a
huge storyline within the show, and his abs aren't as
good as he, so he didn't get no. No, my
body's way, not yours. So I wasn't objectified like you. Um,
and so I did like they wanted me to do,
like a couple of phone interviews, but they never wanted
me to fly down there and do any time to press.

(48:39):
So okay, so post show then post airing, Uh you
and Caroline, let's let's keep let's keep spinning this, let's
get well. No, he did it, he told us back
in January when they had the conversation. A month and
a half. Has anything progressed since then? Oh? Since then though,
I mean we've we've remained very good friends. I mean
we I mean, Caroline is pretty spoken on on social media.

(49:01):
You have very outspoken. Yeah you're not, No, not at all.
I'm very private, but like sarcastically about everything. Yeah. I
mostly just troll you and Peter like that's and that's
my social media presence. Isn't that what Instagram was made for?
Well you would think so. But I mean, honestly, after
going on the show, a lot of people feel that
urged to put more of their private life out there.

(49:23):
And even after our show, you know, I deflected heavy
to like a lot of humor, a lot of trolling
on Instagram, and I really didn't give away a lot
of my personal life to that following and uh so, yeah, her,
she's a little more open book when it comes to that,
and honestly made me a little uncomfortable. I I her

(49:43):
because we you know, we had to make that post,
you know, after the show ended. We wanted it everyone though, Hey,
uh unfortunately things didn't work out. And I literally asked, hey,
the less detail you give, the better, honestly, like I
just don't want to And She's like, oh, I'm I'm
someone that puts it all out there, and it can
be a challenging imbalance in the potential relationship perspective relationship

(50:07):
when someone's that way and then someone else is a
complete opposite, you know, it's like they can provide unnecessary tension.
I guess. I mean, just like with us, even like
it took us what two years to like start talking
about our relationships. What do you mean like we and you? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean like because we both have like a sort
of like trust issues, right, so we literally like we're

(50:30):
walking on actually for a long time. We're waiting into
the water, very right, And so can I trust him?
I was like, Dean has a podcast? Do I really
want to tell him about my dating live? I never know,
it'll slip up. A couple weeks ago, I told everyone
on the podcast about how we were kissing each other
at Coachella. That was amazing. I have a video of it,
you do. It needs to be posted on the help Instagram.

(50:51):
That video is pretty funny. It's really funny. Um all right, man, Well, hey,
it's good to see a single. I was a little
worried for a couple of months there. I thought that
you were going to be in a relationship, and I
thought I wasn't gonna have you. You know that's good.
I wasn't worried about you. I'll be there as you
shouldn't be, because at the end of the day, I'm
going to be single for the rest of my life,
going from guy to guy to girl, the guy back

(51:13):
to girl. Um as I travel or around the country
in a van, yeah, you're gonna come up and see
me in the van, or actually I still really want
to see the van. I might, Well, you'll see it today,
hopefully I have planned. Actually, well, I'm like fifty fifty
might drive out to Jared's wedding in Rhode Island in August.
And if I do that, I'll stop buy Michigan and
say hello, Oh you won't I don't see why I

(51:34):
really like beyond seeing you you're in Michigan, and then
I don't come out and see you, and then I'll
get the hate from next six months for the listeners
out there. I once caught a flight to Michigan Detroit, Michigan.
Alex was supposed to pick me up from the airport,
called him countless times time and time again, texted him
and said, hey, where are you I'm here, never got
a response, decided to catch a flight back to Los

(51:56):
Angeles at a principle to prove to everyone out there
that I don't take from no one, right right. But
here's the real story. He was going to surprise Christina
at a time truth bombs today. He had a layover
in Detroit, and I covered for him, pretending like he
wasn't going to see her. Yeah what why why were

(52:17):
you coming from? Well? Because he didn't want her to
know he was flying to see her. So I was like, oh,
he's coming to see me, Yeah, because why else would
he be in Detroit? Was a going light party. She
was moving to Nashville. Did she ever move? She like
three months later she did it, moving in Last Angeles
one games. Yeah, thanks for the truth, an any other

(52:38):
anything else you want to get out you guys, anyone
else has any questions about Dina? Just as we we said,
we both out our trust issues. I'm about to put
you put him on blast. Here's the thing. If you
always tell the truth, you don't have to remember a
single thing. So when I've said I try to be
as honest as I possibly can. Some things I have
to win. Hold something I have to withhold add of
sake of self preservation. Were also an incredible liar. Wow,

(53:03):
that's like I'm just saying, you use it, but when
you want to be. I mean, Dean is one most
charming people you'll ever meet, and is when we were
in France, this is one of my favorite, one of
my favorite stories to watch Dean flirt in different languages
talking about the girl from the motorcycle, the girl from
the motorcycle, yes, and then the woman in Normandy that

(53:26):
I thought we were gonna have yeah, um yeah, the
girl with the motorcycle. She spoke everything but English. She
she spoke French, Italian and Spanish and he's like, not
too Spanish, and I think I can get us a deal, guys.
So he's out there asking for the out DISCOUNTO. I

(53:47):
know he she would not drop the price, but like
I could, she would have gone home with you. And
he was pretty cute. She's a very attractive older woman
and I love it was I probably not just cracking up.
And then we go to that hotel this which you've
bucked I don't know how, and it was three dudes, right,

(54:09):
and three dudes. This one starts cracking up thinking like
we're not going to do anything in there that night.
That was nice almost. I'm slightly offended that you just
said that I'm a really good liar. I lie about
when you have things, when you help them, just it's
like they're like sarcastic lives to be funny and to
provide interest in the lives of those around us. I'm

(54:31):
I didn't call you a liar. I said you're good
at lying. Yeah, you're not live. Maybe I'd say I'm
good at misleading. Okay, what do you want? Probably whatever
you want? I mean, you just stay not as hurt
um Alex. What's going on in your life. We're gonna
we're gonna wrap this up, but I want you to
fill us all in on what you're up to, what

(54:52):
you're interested in. Oh, what's what the future holds for
the most beautiful human and all of North America? Well,
I mean, yeah, well let's Peter Cross. No, because Peter
externally yes, but you are the package of externally and internal.
I'm from Brussia, so I'm I'm beautiful on the inside,
Peter's beautifully outside. You're both beautiful on the inside and
you're beautiful on the inside. You didn't know that you

(55:14):
got THEMN thats Um, what's going on with me? Just
I've been doing that the adult thing back home for
a couple of months. Just so, I'm working a lot
in my house. I've renovated a shower, and you have
that thing I keep reading about. Um, I think you're
telling me about it the other day. Uh, you've been
doing it for a job. You have a job, right,
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's that's what I'm

(55:35):
actually getting paid right now. I'm not technically working remotely,
so yeah, I mean my job allows me to be flexible.
I can work remotely, I can do what flexible hours,
come in and go. So that's really nice. Uh. I
travel a ton like last year. I mean I don't
post as much as you, but I actually when I
was going thirty four weekends you different places. What does

(55:56):
you live in, gross plat Michigan. Well, yeah, wouldn't want
to travel. Plus it's something to do. I think a
lot of my friends really like coupled up or moved away,
so it's it's really hard to get like the same
group of friends. Like you have a huge group of friends,
and I don't know how you're maintaining them. Mine kind
of aged doubt. So literally, like if I want to
hang out with them, it's just me going to play

(56:17):
with their babies. And so I've been traveling a lot,
so I took a little time off from that, just
you know, hop around here and there. But this summer,
I definitely want to go Australia because I never ended
up making I want to go New Zealand, and I
might make my way back home the other way, so
which way west it would be until go back you know,
maybe Bali, Thailand, maybe go back to Russia. Yeah, so

(56:39):
they just go go around the world maybe a couple
of weeks. Uh, we'll see what happens. So that that's
the only thing I have planned for the summer. Well,
it's a big plan. It's you know, it's as planned
as Dean's life is. It just kind of you know,
it happened, whatever happens is gonna happen. Just throwing in
a van and see what happens. Right, Not that you
asked for it, but I would say, maybe avoid the

(57:00):
Southern Hemisphere in the months of July, August and September.
That's just the rent. I appreciate it. Yeah, you're a very,
very person to ask. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what
I'm talking about on all things all matters. Um, all right, Alex, Well,
thank you for coming. Um, I'm sorry for sending you
the wrong address. Yeah, but can we do we at
least you got sent to a Domino's. We address this waited.

(57:21):
I waited a Domino's pizza for an hour a few
Did you order anything? I like the things I knew.
He was writing his motorcycles and he can't answer the phone,
and I know he probably keeps breaking down on the
way here. Alex asked for the address for the podcast
studio and I texted him and I don't even know
where I got. First of all, you made me make
my own way here instead of being a good friend
picking me up in the van that it has a bed. Well,

(57:43):
I couldn't pick you up on the motorbike. You could.
It's being run on dental floss right now. If you
want to jump on that that I would have chances
with you. Yeah, there's the dental floss is holding the
battery together at the moment. But I made up this
address that I thought was at least within a block
radius of the podcasting studio. It's like a mile on
the half. But now that's my mistake. Um. Anyways, thank

(58:03):
you for coming in today. Oh, thank you for me. Um.
Anything else you want to get off your chest before
we sit part? Ways? Yeah? Anything else about Deane? That
that's what? Do we have? Any questions? Let's do this
some Oh yeah, we can do one email, right, I
mean this is let's do an email that's asking about
Dean's life. Like but you can just put in there
if you want. I feel like we're like an hour
twenty in, but let's just crank. It's more of a

(58:25):
story than in a question. But Timbothy, it's a pretty
good story. I matched with the girl who made a
good conversation. Our first day went to a country concert,
a great time. She told me she loved rollerblading, so
I said, hey, for the next day rollerblading. I'm not
crazy for roller blade. Anybody thought that's how I'm going
to make this happen. So I bought a brand new
pair of roller blades for eighty five dollars. I wasn't practiced,

(58:46):
sat down in the curb, and I thought, I can't
show up in this date with brand new, shiny roller blades.
She's gonna know I'm trying to pass myself off as
a rollerblader. So he grabs a bunch of dirt and
gravel and scuffed up the sides of his roll of
blades really good, making look like he's had these for
a while. The next day I text her that will
meet in an hour, and she never responded. I got

(59:08):
ghosted the night of The worst part is I can't
return the role to blades. There were eighty five dollars
because the store said there were two scuffed unbelievable. This day,
I still have those rollerblades in my trunk, just wouldn't
to be used. Sorry, Timothy, Sorry about that, Tim Well,
hopefully one day in the future you'll meet a girl
who really appreciates those role blades. Here's what I wants
can go roller blading into the I admire the commitment level,

(59:32):
no kidding. Here's what I want Timothy to do every
day before work, after work, put an hour of working
on the on the blades. Become a semi professional, if
not a professional, rollerblader. Get back in her radar. When
you were on top of the podium at the next
Summer X Games, I want you to look straight into
the camera and be like this was for you. This

(59:53):
is what you're missing out on. I think that's a
great story. I think that's sorry. If you're going to
go to that level, that extent to impress a girl
that you are interested in getting to know, that means
that you're gonna be a very great boyfriend at one
point in your life to someone very special. Why no,
they're not a roller by that. We all need extra skills,
don't we. This could come in handy someday. Exercise. He's

(01:00:14):
perfect on the inside, on the inside, on the outside,
that's true. Yeah, I think it's a great And that's
not true either. The hell am I even talking about
you are perfect on the outside. If you're more perfect
on the inside, he could. He could lose the mustache.
We were talking about that earlier. You like the mustache? No,
I love the mustache, but it's really creepy. Yeah, but

(01:00:35):
that's why I love it, though I was telling Mark.
I was telling Mark earlier that the idea is to
remove people's inherent biases when I meet them. You know,
I think you're adding biases. Anyways, that'll do it for
this week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating? No
better time to end it than there. Uh, thank you,
thank you to our guest, to Jared So you interviewed, Yes,

(01:00:58):
Orlando Soriah. He has his new show on HDTV, premiering
this Thursday. It's called Unspoused My House. I'm very excited
on my favorite channel or Londo story, I am on
a show. I am a little bummed. I wasn't here
for that, because you're gonna when when Leslie and I.
When Leslie and I broke up, I rearranged my bedroom
for that same reason. I was like, I've got all
these memories of having Leslie my girlfriend in here and

(01:01:21):
then and then we broke up. I was like, wait,
now I have to change everything. So I like moved
my bed around, I bought new furniture, all that kind
of stuff. So I really wanted to talk to him
about that. Unfortunately we didn't get the chance to. Why
did you guys break up? It just wasn't you know,
there wasn't a future. This is just this lack of compatibility.
What what, Alex? Why are we talking about this? So

(01:01:41):
I'm glad that he said it sounds sounds interesting. I'll
be tuning into a show. Yeah, it sounds pretty interesting.
So we'll see. Big thank you to uh Me for
showing up today. Big thank you to Jared Mark and Easton.
Big thank you to our sponsors of course as well. Um,
I don't think I'm forgetting anyone, so big thank you

(01:02:02):
to Alex Boardy. Ladies and gentlemen, be sure to check
him out on social media. Alex underscore boardy, Right, what
used to be? You used to be able to find
me on your Instagram but now you only pose with alcohol? Yeah?
Well I used to be every other picture with me
and we had like a good thing going. I'm in
a dark place right now. Thank you for making someone.

(01:02:23):
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