August 26, 2025 • 29 mins
A messy, awkward and yes, entertaining finale capped off the most watched season to date for Love Island USA. Amy and T.J. go over all the highs and lows, including Hurricane Huda, Nicolandria, a lot of “apologies” and how the hell two of the seemingly tightest couples, just unfollowed each other within days of the taped finale.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey that folks. It is Tuesday, August twenty six, and
all that love God left on that island. As we
found out from last night's reunion especial, welcome everybody to
this Love Island edition of Amy and TJ rodes highly
anticipated reunion show after the biggest season Love Island has
(00:23):
ever watched. We couldn't wait to get the updates and
see how they're all doing and wan wah wo.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, it was awkward. It was. It was hard to
watch in moments because part of why, Yes, everyone loves
the drama, but everyone does love the love and it
did feel and it has felt familial, like these folks
are bonded together through their experience. Yes there are ups
and downs and swaps of boyfriends and girlfriends, but this
(00:54):
just felt ugly.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We watched a lot of these I don't general I
don't think we watched these reunion shows, all these reality
shows we don't usually watch and going, oh, it's gonna
get hot. I actually don't like the drama and the
yelling and the screaming and the nastiness. I'm not a
big fan. There wasn't so much necessarily of that last night,
but we left very recently we have a recent emotional
(01:20):
connection to these people, and to see in a lot
of ways it has all broken down after only a
few months, even weeks. You could argue, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Because this is oh when they all left, they're hugging
each other, their family, They're in love, They're gonna vacation together,
their kids are going to grow up together. You know,
this is what we see happen. It's like summer camp
on steroids.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
But yes, no one was yelling, no one made a
fool of themselves. But in a way, it's because they're
all so media trained now. The moment they get off
that island, they get their phones back, they start seeing
what people are saying about them. They see who's been
cast as the villain, who said who? Who said what
about whom? After the fact, and everything just falls apart,
(02:05):
like off the rails.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It does. And these shows and a problem we've had
with a lot of them that over the year, I mean,
reality show has been around so long now, and the
reunion shows and social media that everybody understands that the
reunion show is your opportunity to right all the wrongs,
to say your apologies, to rewrite the narrative of what
a lot of people have been saying about you online
(02:26):
that you didn't even know. So you see a lot
of people, yes on their best behavior, and some of
that takes away from authenticity, and some of it you
can feel it feels canned.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
They're on a defense campaign. A lot of them like, well,
what I meant to say and what I intended to
do and what I regret and I'm sorry if you
took it that way. Yeah, there's just a bunch of
that going on.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, and you know that's one of my least is
that the worst apology. I'm sorry if you got upset.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
M sorry if somehow that appeared to be offensive. It's
like they're all, well, politicians and training.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, And look, well you can understand that to a degree.
And this is I can't imagine the heat. I can
only imagine the heat that comes their way after show
this big and where people are so emotionally invested in
real people. You know, they are getting some nasty, nasty stuff.
And look, we can appreciate and understand that. And last night,
for the most part, people were on their best behavior.
But the updates we were all waiting on. This isn't
(03:23):
like a lot of other shows. Isn't this a pretty
short turnaround in terms of a reunion show. I don't
think about the bachelor brat and all that stuff. They're
six months.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Out exactly, So this was one month to the date
of the finale to the date they taped this reunion
and the reunion special was taped two weeks ago, so
we're six weeks out from the finale. But they taped
this one month out from the finale, So yes, that
is fairly recently. They only had a couple weeks to
say crap about one another on podcasts, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And that was a theme last night for sure. But
to give you the update on the couple you were
curious about, well, your final four couples. Look, Whoda and Chris.
We already knew they weren't together. They were a final couple,
but they weren't even sitting together last night. They'll let
you know how things went.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That seems so sad to me. Okay, fine, you can
break up or you can have a difficult breakup on camera,
but you can't sit next to a person for an
hour on a television show.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You ever broken up with anybody, you wouldn't sit next
to for an hour on a TV show. Probably there
it is all right. Next, you had Pepe and Iris.
They were there sitting next together, sitting next to each other,
looked happy. Amaya and Brian had some smiles. They were
sitting there laughing next to each other. Nicolo Landria, what
is it called.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Nicolandria, Nicolandria, all smiles, sitting next to each other.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And then Shelley and Ace. They didn't make the final
four couples, but that was one that a lot of
people were excited about. They were sitting there, smiling, happy
and everything. Now, a couple of problems with what we
saw there just.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Two weeks ago that we just mentioned, all these couples
seemed happy and together, with the exception of Huda and Chris. Well,
now we've learned in just a period of two weeks
following this finale, Pepe and Iris have unfollowed each other,
and Amaya and Brian have unfollowed each other, which would
lead most people to believe they have broken up.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
A reminder, Amaya and Brian are your winters, nurse. They
are the one everybody's We saw them two months ago
hugging and starting a beautiful life together.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now when they been one month ago we saw it right,
or it was like six weeks ago, yeah, and two
weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
They should be very busy having a good time because
it's a whirlwind after they come back. They're doing promotional appearances,
making speeches, they're on doing interviews. This should be the
fun time.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And they're in their honeymoon phase, and it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Seems as if things have fallen off the rails. Amaya
and Brian have unfollowed each other. Pepe and Iris have
unfollowed each other. Pepe and Iris weren't they made maybe
the second most part excuse not by the vote, But
I'm sorry, I'm only going by anecdotal evidence. Around me,
people seem to really be crazy about you.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You know, you know what they liked about this couple.
And I'm speaking specifically with my daughter and her friends
explaining to me that there was almost no drama with them.
You didn't hear any of the back and forth. They
just seemed like they were more mature and they perhaps
maybe had a relationship that seemed based in genuine feelings
(06:27):
versus the drama and the follows and the look at
me kind of antics that we saw from other folks.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Iris seems sweet she did no drama iris.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
No drama, none whatsoever. And that's rare in these shows,
and honestly, it's it's probably not preferred by the producers.
So it actually probably takes quite a bit of restraint
to not get into all of the mess that usually unfolds.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
All right, So let's start there with Maya and Brian,
which was maybe a pretty significant headline that didn't come
out of watching the reunion special. It's come out of
a lot of fans and social media watchers see that
these two have stopped following each other robes. They were
following each other online up until a day or two
before this special actually airs, So in the past forty
(07:12):
eight hours these two were following each other. They taped
a special and everything seemed fine. It aired last night
and they just stopped following each other.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And on the special last night, they squashed these rumors
that Brian had cheated on a Maya because there was
video that surfaced and he was with two of the
other guys from Chris was among them who were on
the show with them. They were at some club, was
it in Baltimore somewhere, and he was pouring drinks bottle
(07:41):
service drinks into other people's mouths, et cetera. He said
he did. He APOLOGI women, of course women, he apologized
for doing that, said it was a lapse in judgment.
And we heard from Amaya saying, you know, hey, I
would not I would not be with somebody who disrespected me.
So we've figured it out between the two of us,
(08:03):
and we're all good.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Am I not the only one who noted? And again,
they moved on from this fairly quickly. And I would say,
am I the only one that noticed? I just felt
when it first came up. Amaya's laugh was nervous. It
was uncomfortable. Yes, maybe just because she knew the question
was coming, or because she knew something we didn't know
at the time, but that stood. I didn't know about
(08:24):
the unfollowing each other before we watched the special.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Either, did I.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So I go back and I'm looking at moments that
jumped out at me, and I go, hmm, maybe it
was just it was awkward, obviously, but they seemed to
say they moved past it, and apparently Robes they have not.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Something happened. We don't know what it was, but who
knows how much they're reading the reaction to things as
well as they unfold. So we just as far as
we understand, the winners and the two people who seemed
madly in love with one another are no longer.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Pepe and Iris Le's mentioned them as well. They I
believe they said during the special that they we're exclusive?
Now did they not?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So here was the one perhaps crack in their foundation
that was exposed last night. So we heard them say
yes that they were exclusive, But then we did hear
Iris as the host pushed. Andy Cohen pushed, hey, does
that mean your boyfriend and girlfriend? And Iris basically said
(09:22):
that's what she wanted, and Pepe said he didn't think
it was necessary. That's a huge red flag. The guy
you're seeing, who you're exclusive with is not agreeing to
actually take on the official title of boyfriend because he
doesn't think it's necessary. Iris said she wanted him to
ask her. She was waiting for him. I don't understand
(09:43):
this is some new gen Z thing where you want
to be like you know, we've seen this on Love Island,
and honestly, this is all new for me where they
go through this elaborate thing where they ask you to
be will you be my girlfriend? It's almost like what
we used to put to a proposal for marriage is
now a proposal to be my girlfriend. You know, I
think it started with promposals. Women are expecting a lot
(10:05):
of women think that a man should make some grand
gesture to ask them to proposal, take on a title.
So last night what aired, I saw Pepe squirming away
from that, not wanting to admit or commit to saying yes,
she's my girl.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
If he committed to being committed.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I don't understand the difference between being exclusive and having
a boyfriend or girlfriend. To me, if we're exclusive, we're
boyfriend girlfriend, What would be the why would you not
call that person then your girlfriend if you're exclusive.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Maybe some people just aren't into labels. Ace seems to be.
Of course, this was smiling Ace, these two, you know,
speaking to your point. He did a very elaborate yes
be my girlfriend thing, But he said last night this
was a moment that was worth it was a sweeter moment.
Asked about his girlfriend, Yes, this is your first girlfriend,
and he said it'll be his last. And they were
(10:58):
some they were alluding to, suggesting that something big was coming,
or he had or she even said he likes to
do things big, and he said something's coming, So they
alluded to the fact they might be going to the
next level.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Who knows. But they did look I mean, they weren't
happy about a lot of other things that were being said,
but in terms of their relationship, they actually did look
very happy and cute together. Nick and Orlandria did too. Actually,
but they're a little fuzzy. They're not really getting specific
at all about what they are, what their relationship actually is,
because if obviously, if you're listening to this, you know
the show, Well, they did not start off together. They
(11:32):
were just friends. They kind of were thrown together after
being put in a position where neither one of them
had a mate for different reasons.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Then they both get kicked out. They got kicked out,
and then whatever, they changed the rules and let them.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Come back, come back as a couple. Yes, but they
claim it's not a fake relationship. We just don't know
how the relationship is defined.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
They are not right. They're not defining it. No boyfriend
and girlfriend, no exclusive. They just said we are taking
what the natural course that our relationship or dating would
have taken.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I don't even know if it's romantic. I mean, I
think that's a question. Is it just a deep friendship
that's got some benefits from a social financial professional, or
is it is it or growing relationships?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And he's trying to give what was the line it
kind of called my attention. He said, I'm trying to
give her everything that she wants. Or how about the
experience of they going skydiving and doing things, and.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
He again, things that friends do, close friends, deep friends.
I don't know that we've seen any evidence that it's
more than that.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Okay, well, they spend a lot of time answering all
the doubters like robot over here about their relationship. But
look from the moment, from the very beginning, they've been
answering those questions. They look like cool, happy people. If
it ends up romantic or not, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't care either if it works for them. They
look great together. It looks like they're having a blast together.
I think that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I do want to speak on why this road we yes.
Ariano Mattos is the host does a great job of
the episodes that come out. Geez I think does a
great job. She does what she's supposed to do, but
so much of it is her. The walk she does
from the car to the fire pit.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's the outfit, it's the hair. She knows it, the
walk is, she knows what her role is and she
plays it well.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Last night they brought in Andy Cohen. Can you remind
me have they done these before? And there's always a
two host situation. I actually don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I don't know. I don't have I watched another reunion.
This has been I mean, we both watched season six,
but I can't remember the reunion and I don't know
if they have brought in Andy Cohen before.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Okay, this was a look. They had time to edit
and put it together. There was I actually did not
necessarily appreciate or didn't need to see a lot of
the castle of more people, the people from the.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Extra basically the people who were there to tempt yes
the other or the islanders.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It wasn't a whole lot there didn't need that. They
crowded the couch a little ugly. It just didn't need that.
It was unnecessary. I was more interested, and that's fine,
one of those updates, but I didn't necessarily need that.
And again, it just felt there was a lack of
flow and chemistry. And I know it probably had. Who knows,
They probably sat there all day and talked but only
(14:12):
had to edit it down to two hours, so there
might have been a lot of jumpy cuts, but something
about a free, willing, free flowing conversation. It just felt
very disjointed at times, and it felt like they were
trying to pull teeth and get something out of them
at times because they were being so careful. Sometimes they
would ask a question, well, what did you think about
that person? When they said you were lazy? I said,
(14:34):
you know what, I didn't hear it, and I did right.
They were trying to start fights, if you will, and
pick them unnaturally. And again, we've watched enough of these
shows to see them go really well and go off
the rails, and even when they're yelling at each other,
it could still be a good, well produced show. But
this one it would seem I don't know so many people,
and just the flow wasn't what I've seen.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Before, you know, there were so many awkward silences. We
actually thought that it was a quick turnaround, that maybe
they taped it earlier in the day and put it
out at night because they didn't want any leaks getting out.
So it was surprising actually to know that they had
two weeks to edit it and that was the best
version they could put out with some of those awkward,
awkward moments, And yes, those awkward moments are telling, But
(15:15):
I think the overall theme for me was, yes, there
were too many people on stage. We know, as folks
who have hosted live events with a lot of folk,
the more people you have, the harder it is, the
more difficult it is to manage and to know who's
going to speak next and when to fill the It's
so hard. That is such a hard job to do.
But now you've got all of these people who have
(15:36):
invested interest personal interest in trying to defend their character,
and so now everyone is on pins and needles. Everyone's
there in defense mode. No one wants to say the
wrong thing, and no one wants to make their situation
worse if they've been vilified or if they have haters.
You saw real tears, people who had extremely hurt feelings
and not even necessarily about what went on in the show,
(15:57):
And that was certainly a part of it. But what
happened after the show that people were so upset about.
I mean, there was just a lot of hurt feelings and.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Folks, I know we've talked a little bit here already,
and we haven't talked a whole hell of a lot
about the person being talked about, a whole hell of
a lot. Houda, who is as we speak, as we
are recording this the morning after the special airs, she
is still the number one trending thing on x as
(16:27):
we speak, So we will speak about her next and
what was her weird Netflix moment on Peacock? Continuing now,
(16:47):
the reunion. We finally got the much anticipated reunion to
see how the Love Island couples that we all just
fell in love with two months ago, see how they
were doing. Apparently two months later, a lot of them
have fallen out out of love already rolled this, I
was surprised. I watched the special and then saw coverage
this morning. It's like, wait a minute, those people stop
(17:10):
following each other.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I was a little shocked as well, definitely by Irish
and Pepe. I was really floored by that one. I
was shocked that they're no longer together.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And I guess it's possible it's part of some promotional
thing they're doing. Maybe they just wanted to get a
little attention. Maybe there's a rhyme and reason to why
they did it, but we all know generally what that
means when folks stop following each other. Yes, and that
makes headlines. You don't have to put out a statement
about your relationship. All you do is unfollow something. I
(17:45):
don't follow you, now I actually do.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
A Wow, you just made that an easy getaway for yourself.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Cool, But if I start following you, that would raise
eyebrows as well.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
With this, No, I think they'd say it's about time.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Oh, okay, let's get back to these couples. Uh, Hooda
and Chris. We know, of course what happened at the
end of the season. You know, I didn't leave. They
had that nasty date or whatever at the end, but
they seemed like they'd be able to walk away and
say we understand respect, we're not going to be in
a relationship. But they seemed to leave on good terms.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh the finale, I thought it was phenomenal. Yes, yes,
I thought that what Chris had to say, you know,
what she had to say to him was actually really
beautiful and I respected the hell out of both of
them for being able to stand up and say the
things they did. So yeah, it was disturbing to see
them not even be able to sit within a few
inches of each other.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
It said a tone. It was a rot row. As
soon as you saw the image, you didn't even have
to hear them start talking. But you saw every couple
at least they had on stage at the moment, sitting
next to each other. And then there's one couch where
there's a couple sitting in the middle Hoodahs on one
side of the couple. Chris is on the other end
of that couch.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
It just even how they were seated, it was awkward,
like Chris didn't even get his own seat. He was like,
he was like like a third wheel, third wheel on
the couch. But yeah, Chris said that he did not
think that a friendship between them was possible, which was
clearly evidenced by their physical distance.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, it wasn't that funny. It was. It's one thing
to say we can't be friends. It was funny to
me when he was asked, and just how quickly he responded, Look,
you guys gonna be friends. No, we're not.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, it's not possible. He was not possible.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Always liked his demeanor. He's always chill, calm, no matter
what he was saying, and he was kind of that
again last night.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I like that, Yes, in very much the yend to
Hoodah's yang. The hurricane Huda is how she was referred
to throughout the broadcast. Actually, and certainly that's a moniker
that's stuck with her on social media. But when Andy
Cohen asked after Chris said now we can't be friends,
he asked Huda if she was dating anyone, if she
(19:43):
was seeing anyone, and her response through everyone, including Andy Cohen,
she said, it's Netflix. I'm not supposed to talk about it,
and Cohen kept following up and eventually he said, tell Netflix,
this was the number one streaming show of the summer.
But it was bizarre, and upon further research, it appears
that Huda is dating, or at least was seen on
(20:06):
the red carpet with a star of Netflix show Perfect Match.
So it must be something. I don't even know who
Lewis Russell is, but apparently that's so. She was already
seen on the red carpet with. So it's not like
it's some secret or anything.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And you remind me what Perfect Match is, I actually
don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It's it's another dating show and we haven't watched it yet,
so I don't know the premise of it. But it
isn't it's it's Netflix's dating She's.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
In the middle of airing now, is it not?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
As I believe?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Okay, so this guy Lewis Russell, whoever he is, and
you say they showed up on a red carpet together,
as I suggesting they're dating. They're walking around holding hands
when I'm not. We're not stupid. We see this happening.
So it's fine, But you are walking around holding hands
with somebody, It's fair to assume that you might be
dating that person. When you hold hands with somebody in
(20:57):
front of cameras at a movie premiere, you are telling
people that you're dating this person. Fine, you're asked directly
that question. This was awkward and unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I can't speak about my relationship outside the villa, says
who is basically what Andy Cohen says, And she said Netflix.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I was trying to piece together and I don't know
if he's in the middle of some season on a
dating show on Netflix and he is walking out now
revealing essentially that he's not with anybody from the show
because he's now dating somebody else.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Gone on the red carpet. Yes, that's probably what it is.
But then don't go on a red carpet together.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Okay, so then I'm confused. But it was a really
awkward and it put her in a weird position. It
just came off really, it was really off putting.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yes, she it didn't make her look good.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, it was just a li It.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Seemed to bitchy, even though if it might not have been,
it might have been perfectly okay for her to but
maybe she could have she should have been prepared for
the question. Yeah, I would love to tell you all
about them, but that's going to have to come and
do time. Like that's all she you know it could
have been to do.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So you know, it made it come across like she
was an opportunist. She'll do what she has to do.
She'll say what she has today, say anytime she wants,
but I'll be quiet to make this money. Nobody could
ever get her to stop talking. That wasn't not to complain,
Hurricane Hudo. Now we ask you one question and nothing,
So it was a Again, we don't know that backstory,
(22:26):
We don't know it all, but we just saw what
we saw in that moment last night, and that moment
wasn't a good looking one, so maybe there's a I
don't know how even if she's dating them, how can
Netflix tell her to shut up unless she has something
in the works netflick exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean, that's what I was thinking, that there was
some sort of stake in it for her. The other
interesting thing, as long as we're on the topic of
hurricane hood, one of my favorite moments Andy Cohen had,
You know, it's all about the follow up. When you're
a journalist, you can ask the question, but it's your
follow up that usually creates a moment. And they show
Hohodah's montage of Hurricane hoo to all of her moments
(23:04):
where she lost her cool, called people names, cursed. He asked.
Andy Cohen said, you know, how are you responding to
this now that you see it all collectively in a
montage like that, And she was just saying, I've done
so much self reflection. I've done so much work on
myself since the villa. And he kind of jumped in
(23:25):
and he said, so you did a month of self
reflection and you're a better person now. That was a
big singer. She acted as if she had just emerged
a better, stronger person and it's only been a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I'll give Andy Cohen here credit. And none of these
points was he being a smart ass. It wasn't as
if he was attacking her.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
No, yeah, wait, he genuinely was asking you a question.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So you're but he asked a question that I think
so often you and I have when we're watching I'm
sure many of you have when you're watching these reunion
shows that people come back on them and all of
a sudden, they're a new person that I have found
and unfound. God some say they do, but I've done
a lot of work and self reflection. And that's great,
and that can happen, but it almost it's said to
(24:10):
the point that you all, it just goes in one
ear and out the other. When you hear folks come on,
it seems like this is the line they've been fed.
This is what you're supposed to say, Show that you're different,
show that you've come around, and to think that after
a month, I'm a different person. Look, I'm sure she's
doing work, but I'm just defending Andy Cohen. He wasn't
being an answer.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh yeah, no, And if and if that made it
seem like I was saying so no. I think he
asked the follow up that all of us at home
on the couch watching, we're thinking, we wanted to ask it,
and he asked it for us. And look, I do
wonder how many of these people, and I don't know
who to might be very sincere and genuine, and she
might have done a lot of work in these few
weeks and really dug in. But it is one thing.
(24:48):
It is something to see yourself, you know, to see
a video of your worst moments, to see a video
of how badly you've behaved. Maybe you don't even realize
it until you see it and then you I get
that that can be a real thing. But I won't
know how many of these folks come out and get
media trained. They see what people are saying, they get
someone to help them, and then they know exactly what
to say and how to say it. And it's not authentic.
So that's the that's the turn off with some of
(25:10):
this stuff. You see people just changing who they are
or being on their best behavior, or monitoring what they
are and acting as if that's a change in them,
a true change them. When truly, they're just presenting a
different side, a curated side of themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I would love to give them all the benefit of
the doubt that maybe they are doing something different, doing
something better. I do, but I will tell you as well.
And maybe I was duped and silly for it, but
to actually think these folks had hope, that it was real,
that there was possibility that they were on their way,
I actually did. So when you invest in people like that,
(25:46):
and I'm I'm rooting for I mean, you know how
much I like Chris?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Oh yeah, Chris was great.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Always liked him. When you're rooting for people in that way,
just like Analyst is crazy about Pepe and Iris, right,
everybody is. You get so attached and you see something
didn't go right, and we know it possibly can't. But
when you see it doesn't go right, based on all
the things you thought would be out of their way happened.
What do we always say? As soon as I always say,
so we are if they send us to an island,
(26:13):
be together, we will live happily forever. What is the problem?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
You give these people their phones, all of a sudden,
the whole world is now impacting your relationship and your
family unit you had on the island, and sure enough
it all goes to shit. So this means was it
not real? Can it not really stand up in the
real world? That is where Yeah, love Island that special.
Almost wish I hadn't watched it.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, because self interest ends up ruling, you know, in
human nature, that is what tends to happen. And if
you don't have this deep rooted relationship that was based
in I mean based in reality. I know that sounds
funny because we're watching a reality show, but oftentimes if
you don't have that foundation, if you don't have that history,
(26:58):
if you don't have that community around you supporting you,
self interest will will shoot up and we'll just torpedo
a relationship. Because if you want to have a relationship,
you have to have the best interest in the person
who you're with, not in yourself, and.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's hard to do that in six eight weeks on
an island. Of course, you just can't, but just see
it play out, like.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
These are new relationships.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
But to see it play out, you could be hopeful.
But that this is I guess you talked about it.
Sometimes women get caught up in the fantasy, but this
is like a reality check for everybody. See what happens,
See what happens when you fall too fast, too hard,
when you do this too quickly, when you're in a
rush and you think it's all in your gut. I'm
gonna be with them forever, and one online video crushes us.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah no, I mean there are the reason why we
like these shows. Yes, they're entertaining, but I really do
we really do learn things about human nature, even a
fledgling relationship, even a relationship starting on TV with just
a few weeks. It's it's you still see human behavior
that is fascinating that we all have within us, that
(28:05):
we can all check in ourselves. So I like these
shows for that reason because Yay, they're fun to watch,
But also I really do try to see things that
I can recognize in other people that somehow I can say, whoops,
I do that too. Ooof I've done that before. Wow,
I never want to do that again. Like these are
all cautionary tales in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
It is. Love Island is a wonderful show that serves
as a cautionary tale. Maybe it shouldn't be that, Maybe
we shouldn't hold it up as something to aspire to
to get to in relationships, but a cautionary.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Tale, something to learn from it.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
We always we did several every single time we did
say here were the relationship takeaway lessons we saw in
each one, and here you go. The finale gave us
one as well, which is love is hard. It really is.
With that, folks, we always appreciate you hanging with us.
As always. Top right corner of that Apple podcast app
(29:01):
says follow click on that on our show page and
get all of our updates. And it seems like we
got a lot coming your way these days. So folks,
for Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes, always appreciate you hanging
with us.
Hey that folks. It is Tuesday, August twenty six, and
all that love God left on that island. As we
found out from last night's reunion especial, welcome everybody to
this Love Island edition of Amy and TJ rodes highly
anticipated reunion show after the biggest season Love Island has
(00:23):
ever watched. We couldn't wait to get the updates and
see how they're all doing and wan wah wo.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, it was awkward. It was. It was hard to
watch in moments because part of why, Yes, everyone loves
the drama, but everyone does love the love and it
did feel and it has felt familial, like these folks
are bonded together through their experience. Yes there are ups
and downs and swaps of boyfriends and girlfriends, but this
(00:54):
just felt ugly.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We watched a lot of these I don't general I
don't think we watched these reunion shows, all these reality
shows we don't usually watch and going, oh, it's gonna
get hot. I actually don't like the drama and the
yelling and the screaming and the nastiness. I'm not a
big fan. There wasn't so much necessarily of that last night,
but we left very recently we have a recent emotional
(01:20):
connection to these people, and to see in a lot
of ways it has all broken down after only a
few months, even weeks. You could argue, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Because this is oh when they all left, they're hugging
each other, their family, They're in love, They're gonna vacation together,
their kids are going to grow up together. You know,
this is what we see happen. It's like summer camp
on steroids.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
But yes, no one was yelling, no one made a
fool of themselves. But in a way, it's because they're
all so media trained now. The moment they get off
that island, they get their phones back, they start seeing
what people are saying about them. They see who's been
cast as the villain, who said who? Who said what
about whom? After the fact, and everything just falls apart,
(02:05):
like off the rails.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It does. And these shows and a problem we've had
with a lot of them that over the year, I mean,
reality show has been around so long now, and the
reunion shows and social media that everybody understands that the
reunion show is your opportunity to right all the wrongs,
to say your apologies, to rewrite the narrative of what
a lot of people have been saying about you online
(02:26):
that you didn't even know. So you see a lot
of people, yes on their best behavior, and some of
that takes away from authenticity, and some of it you
can feel it feels canned.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
They're on a defense campaign. A lot of them like, well,
what I meant to say and what I intended to
do and what I regret and I'm sorry if you
took it that way. Yeah, there's just a bunch of
that going on.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, and you know that's one of my least is
that the worst apology. I'm sorry if you got upset.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
M sorry if somehow that appeared to be offensive. It's
like they're all, well, politicians and training.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, And look, well you can understand that to a degree.
And this is I can't imagine the heat. I can
only imagine the heat that comes their way after show
this big and where people are so emotionally invested in
real people. You know, they are getting some nasty, nasty stuff.
And look, we can appreciate and understand that. And last night,
for the most part, people were on their best behavior.
But the updates we were all waiting on. This isn't
(03:23):
like a lot of other shows. Isn't this a pretty
short turnaround in terms of a reunion show. I don't
think about the bachelor brat and all that stuff. They're
six months.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Out exactly, So this was one month to the date
of the finale to the date they taped this reunion
and the reunion special was taped two weeks ago, so
we're six weeks out from the finale. But they taped
this one month out from the finale, So yes, that
is fairly recently. They only had a couple weeks to
say crap about one another on podcasts, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And that was a theme last night for sure. But
to give you the update on the couple you were
curious about, well, your final four couples. Look, Whoda and Chris.
We already knew they weren't together. They were a final couple,
but they weren't even sitting together last night. They'll let
you know how things went.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That seems so sad to me. Okay, fine, you can
break up or you can have a difficult breakup on camera,
but you can't sit next to a person for an
hour on a television show.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You ever broken up with anybody, you wouldn't sit next
to for an hour on a TV show. Probably there
it is all right. Next, you had Pepe and Iris.
They were there sitting next together, sitting next to each other,
looked happy. Amaya and Brian had some smiles. They were
sitting there laughing next to each other. Nicolo Landria, what
is it called.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Nicolandria, Nicolandria, all smiles, sitting next to each other.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And then Shelley and Ace. They didn't make the final
four couples, but that was one that a lot of
people were excited about. They were sitting there, smiling, happy
and everything. Now, a couple of problems with what we
saw there just.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Two weeks ago that we just mentioned, all these couples
seemed happy and together, with the exception of Huda and Chris. Well,
now we've learned in just a period of two weeks
following this finale, Pepe and Iris have unfollowed each other,
and Amaya and Brian have unfollowed each other, which would
lead most people to believe they have broken up.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
A reminder, Amaya and Brian are your winters, nurse. They
are the one everybody's We saw them two months ago
hugging and starting a beautiful life together.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now when they been one month ago we saw it right,
or it was like six weeks ago, yeah, and two
weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
They should be very busy having a good time because
it's a whirlwind after they come back. They're doing promotional appearances,
making speeches, they're on doing interviews. This should be the
fun time.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And they're in their honeymoon phase, and it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Seems as if things have fallen off the rails. Amaya
and Brian have unfollowed each other. Pepe and Iris have
unfollowed each other. Pepe and Iris weren't they made maybe
the second most part excuse not by the vote, But
I'm sorry, I'm only going by anecdotal evidence. Around me,
people seem to really be crazy about you.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You know, you know what they liked about this couple.
And I'm speaking specifically with my daughter and her friends
explaining to me that there was almost no drama with them.
You didn't hear any of the back and forth. They
just seemed like they were more mature and they perhaps
maybe had a relationship that seemed based in genuine feelings
(06:27):
versus the drama and the follows and the look at
me kind of antics that we saw from other folks.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Iris seems sweet she did no drama iris.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
No drama, none whatsoever. And that's rare in these shows,
and honestly, it's it's probably not preferred by the producers.
So it actually probably takes quite a bit of restraint
to not get into all of the mess that usually unfolds.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
All right, So let's start there with Maya and Brian,
which was maybe a pretty significant headline that didn't come
out of watching the reunion special. It's come out of
a lot of fans and social media watchers see that
these two have stopped following each other robes. They were
following each other online up until a day or two
before this special actually airs, So in the past forty
(07:12):
eight hours these two were following each other. They taped
a special and everything seemed fine. It aired last night
and they just stopped following each other.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And on the special last night, they squashed these rumors
that Brian had cheated on a Maya because there was
video that surfaced and he was with two of the
other guys from Chris was among them who were on
the show with them. They were at some club, was
it in Baltimore somewhere, and he was pouring drinks bottle
(07:41):
service drinks into other people's mouths, et cetera. He said
he did. He APOLOGI women, of course women, he apologized
for doing that, said it was a lapse in judgment.
And we heard from Amaya saying, you know, hey, I
would not I would not be with somebody who disrespected me.
So we've figured it out between the two of us,
(08:03):
and we're all good.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Am I not the only one who noted? And again,
they moved on from this fairly quickly. And I would say,
am I the only one that noticed? I just felt
when it first came up. Amaya's laugh was nervous. It
was uncomfortable. Yes, maybe just because she knew the question
was coming, or because she knew something we didn't know
at the time, but that stood. I didn't know about
(08:24):
the unfollowing each other before we watched the special.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Either, did I.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So I go back and I'm looking at moments that
jumped out at me, and I go, hmm, maybe it
was just it was awkward, obviously, but they seemed to
say they moved past it, and apparently Robes they have not.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Something happened. We don't know what it was, but who
knows how much they're reading the reaction to things as
well as they unfold. So we just as far as
we understand, the winners and the two people who seemed
madly in love with one another are no longer.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Pepe and Iris Le's mentioned them as well. They I
believe they said during the special that they we're exclusive?
Now did they not?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So here was the one perhaps crack in their foundation
that was exposed last night. So we heard them say
yes that they were exclusive, But then we did hear
Iris as the host pushed. Andy Cohen pushed, hey, does
that mean your boyfriend and girlfriend? And Iris basically said
(09:22):
that's what she wanted, and Pepe said he didn't think
it was necessary. That's a huge red flag. The guy
you're seeing, who you're exclusive with is not agreeing to
actually take on the official title of boyfriend because he
doesn't think it's necessary. Iris said she wanted him to
ask her. She was waiting for him. I don't understand
(09:43):
this is some new gen Z thing where you want
to be like you know, we've seen this on Love Island,
and honestly, this is all new for me where they
go through this elaborate thing where they ask you to
be will you be my girlfriend? It's almost like what
we used to put to a proposal for marriage is
now a proposal to be my girlfriend. You know, I
think it started with promposals. Women are expecting a lot
(10:05):
of women think that a man should make some grand
gesture to ask them to proposal, take on a title.
So last night what aired, I saw Pepe squirming away
from that, not wanting to admit or commit to saying yes,
she's my girl.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
If he committed to being committed.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I don't understand the difference between being exclusive and having
a boyfriend or girlfriend. To me, if we're exclusive, we're
boyfriend girlfriend, What would be the why would you not
call that person then your girlfriend if you're exclusive.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Maybe some people just aren't into labels. Ace seems to be.
Of course, this was smiling Ace, these two, you know,
speaking to your point. He did a very elaborate yes
be my girlfriend thing, But he said last night this
was a moment that was worth it was a sweeter moment.
Asked about his girlfriend, Yes, this is your first girlfriend,
and he said it'll be his last. And they were
(10:58):
some they were alluding to, suggesting that something big was coming,
or he had or she even said he likes to
do things big, and he said something's coming, So they
alluded to the fact they might be going to the
next level.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Who knows. But they did look I mean, they weren't
happy about a lot of other things that were being said,
but in terms of their relationship, they actually did look
very happy and cute together. Nick and Orlandria did too. Actually,
but they're a little fuzzy. They're not really getting specific
at all about what they are, what their relationship actually is,
because if obviously, if you're listening to this, you know
the show, Well, they did not start off together. They
(11:32):
were just friends. They kind of were thrown together after
being put in a position where neither one of them
had a mate for different reasons.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Then they both get kicked out. They got kicked out,
and then whatever, they changed the rules and let them.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Come back, come back as a couple. Yes, but they
claim it's not a fake relationship. We just don't know
how the relationship is defined.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
They are not right. They're not defining it. No boyfriend
and girlfriend, no exclusive. They just said we are taking
what the natural course that our relationship or dating would
have taken.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I don't even know if it's romantic. I mean, I
think that's a question. Is it just a deep friendship
that's got some benefits from a social financial professional, or
is it is it or growing relationships?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And he's trying to give what was the line it
kind of called my attention. He said, I'm trying to
give her everything that she wants. Or how about the
experience of they going skydiving and doing things, and.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
He again, things that friends do, close friends, deep friends.
I don't know that we've seen any evidence that it's
more than that.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Okay, well, they spend a lot of time answering all
the doubters like robot over here about their relationship. But
look from the moment, from the very beginning, they've been
answering those questions. They look like cool, happy people. If
it ends up romantic or not, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't care either if it works for them. They
look great together. It looks like they're having a blast together.
I think that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I do want to speak on why this road we yes.
Ariano Mattos is the host does a great job of
the episodes that come out. Geez I think does a
great job. She does what she's supposed to do, but
so much of it is her. The walk she does
from the car to the fire pit.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's the outfit, it's the hair. She knows it, the
walk is, she knows what her role is and she
plays it well.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Last night they brought in Andy Cohen. Can you remind
me have they done these before? And there's always a
two host situation. I actually don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I don't know. I don't have I watched another reunion.
This has been I mean, we both watched season six,
but I can't remember the reunion and I don't know
if they have brought in Andy Cohen before.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Okay, this was a look. They had time to edit
and put it together. There was I actually did not
necessarily appreciate or didn't need to see a lot of
the castle of more people, the people from the.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Extra basically the people who were there to tempt yes
the other or the islanders.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It wasn't a whole lot there didn't need that. They
crowded the couch a little ugly. It just didn't need that.
It was unnecessary. I was more interested, and that's fine,
one of those updates, but I didn't necessarily need that.
And again, it just felt there was a lack of
flow and chemistry. And I know it probably had. Who knows,
They probably sat there all day and talked but only
(14:12):
had to edit it down to two hours, so there
might have been a lot of jumpy cuts, but something
about a free, willing, free flowing conversation. It just felt
very disjointed at times, and it felt like they were
trying to pull teeth and get something out of them
at times because they were being so careful. Sometimes they
would ask a question, well, what did you think about
that person? When they said you were lazy? I said,
(14:34):
you know what, I didn't hear it, and I did right.
They were trying to start fights, if you will, and
pick them unnaturally. And again, we've watched enough of these
shows to see them go really well and go off
the rails, and even when they're yelling at each other,
it could still be a good, well produced show. But
this one it would seem I don't know so many people,
and just the flow wasn't what I've seen.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Before, you know, there were so many awkward silences. We
actually thought that it was a quick turnaround, that maybe
they taped it earlier in the day and put it
out at night because they didn't want any leaks getting out.
So it was surprising actually to know that they had
two weeks to edit it and that was the best
version they could put out with some of those awkward,
awkward moments, And yes, those awkward moments are telling, But
(15:15):
I think the overall theme for me was, yes, there
were too many people on stage. We know, as folks
who have hosted live events with a lot of folk,
the more people you have, the harder it is, the
more difficult it is to manage and to know who's
going to speak next and when to fill the It's
so hard. That is such a hard job to do.
But now you've got all of these people who have
(15:36):
invested interest personal interest in trying to defend their character,
and so now everyone is on pins and needles. Everyone's
there in defense mode. No one wants to say the
wrong thing, and no one wants to make their situation
worse if they've been vilified or if they have haters.
You saw real tears, people who had extremely hurt feelings
and not even necessarily about what went on in the show,
(15:57):
And that was certainly a part of it. But what
happened after the show that people were so upset about.
I mean, there was just a lot of hurt feelings and.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Folks, I know we've talked a little bit here already,
and we haven't talked a whole hell of a lot
about the person being talked about, a whole hell of
a lot. Houda, who is as we speak, as we
are recording this the morning after the special airs, she
is still the number one trending thing on x as
(16:27):
we speak, So we will speak about her next and
what was her weird Netflix moment on Peacock? Continuing now,
(16:47):
the reunion. We finally got the much anticipated reunion to
see how the Love Island couples that we all just
fell in love with two months ago, see how they
were doing. Apparently two months later, a lot of them
have fallen out out of love already rolled this, I
was surprised. I watched the special and then saw coverage
this morning. It's like, wait a minute, those people stop
(17:10):
following each other.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I was a little shocked as well, definitely by Irish
and Pepe. I was really floored by that one. I
was shocked that they're no longer together.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And I guess it's possible it's part of some promotional
thing they're doing. Maybe they just wanted to get a
little attention. Maybe there's a rhyme and reason to why
they did it, but we all know generally what that
means when folks stop following each other. Yes, and that
makes headlines. You don't have to put out a statement
about your relationship. All you do is unfollow something. I
(17:45):
don't follow you, now I actually do.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
A Wow, you just made that an easy getaway for yourself.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Cool, But if I start following you, that would raise
eyebrows as well.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
With this, No, I think they'd say it's about time.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Oh, okay, let's get back to these couples. Uh, Hooda
and Chris. We know, of course what happened at the
end of the season. You know, I didn't leave. They
had that nasty date or whatever at the end, but
they seemed like they'd be able to walk away and
say we understand respect, we're not going to be in
a relationship. But they seemed to leave on good terms.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh the finale, I thought it was phenomenal. Yes, yes,
I thought that what Chris had to say, you know,
what she had to say to him was actually really
beautiful and I respected the hell out of both of
them for being able to stand up and say the
things they did. So yeah, it was disturbing to see
them not even be able to sit within a few
inches of each other.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
It said a tone. It was a rot row. As
soon as you saw the image, you didn't even have
to hear them start talking. But you saw every couple
at least they had on stage at the moment, sitting
next to each other. And then there's one couch where
there's a couple sitting in the middle Hoodahs on one
side of the couple. Chris is on the other end
of that couch.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
It just even how they were seated, it was awkward,
like Chris didn't even get his own seat. He was like,
he was like like a third wheel, third wheel on
the couch. But yeah, Chris said that he did not
think that a friendship between them was possible, which was
clearly evidenced by their physical distance.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, it wasn't that funny. It was. It's one thing
to say we can't be friends. It was funny to
me when he was asked, and just how quickly he responded, Look,
you guys gonna be friends. No, we're not.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, it's not possible. He was not possible.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Always liked his demeanor. He's always chill, calm, no matter
what he was saying, and he was kind of that
again last night.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I like that, Yes, in very much the yend to
Hoodah's yang. The hurricane Huda is how she was referred
to throughout the broadcast. Actually, and certainly that's a moniker
that's stuck with her on social media. But when Andy
Cohen asked after Chris said now we can't be friends,
he asked Huda if she was dating anyone, if she
(19:43):
was seeing anyone, and her response through everyone, including Andy Cohen,
she said, it's Netflix. I'm not supposed to talk about it,
and Cohen kept following up and eventually he said, tell Netflix,
this was the number one streaming show of the summer.
But it was bizarre, and upon further research, it appears
that Huda is dating, or at least was seen on
(20:06):
the red carpet with a star of Netflix show Perfect Match.
So it must be something. I don't even know who
Lewis Russell is, but apparently that's so. She was already
seen on the red carpet with. So it's not like
it's some secret or anything.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And you remind me what Perfect Match is, I actually
don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It's it's another dating show and we haven't watched it yet,
so I don't know the premise of it. But it
isn't it's it's Netflix's dating She's.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
In the middle of airing now, is it not?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
As I believe?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Okay, so this guy Lewis Russell, whoever he is, and
you say they showed up on a red carpet together,
as I suggesting they're dating. They're walking around holding hands
when I'm not. We're not stupid. We see this happening.
So it's fine, But you are walking around holding hands
with somebody, It's fair to assume that you might be
dating that person. When you hold hands with somebody in
(20:57):
front of cameras at a movie premiere, you are telling
people that you're dating this person. Fine, you're asked directly
that question. This was awkward and unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I can't speak about my relationship outside the villa, says
who is basically what Andy Cohen says, And she said Netflix.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I was trying to piece together and I don't know
if he's in the middle of some season on a
dating show on Netflix and he is walking out now
revealing essentially that he's not with anybody from the show
because he's now dating somebody else.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Gone on the red carpet. Yes, that's probably what it is.
But then don't go on a red carpet together.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Okay, so then I'm confused. But it was a really
awkward and it put her in a weird position. It
just came off really, it was really off putting.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yes, she it didn't make her look good.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, it was just a li It.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Seemed to bitchy, even though if it might not have been,
it might have been perfectly okay for her to but
maybe she could have she should have been prepared for
the question. Yeah, I would love to tell you all
about them, but that's going to have to come and
do time. Like that's all she you know it could
have been to do.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So you know, it made it come across like she
was an opportunist. She'll do what she has to do.
She'll say what she has today, say anytime she wants,
but I'll be quiet to make this money. Nobody could
ever get her to stop talking. That wasn't not to complain,
Hurricane Hudo. Now we ask you one question and nothing,
So it was a Again, we don't know that backstory,
(22:26):
We don't know it all, but we just saw what
we saw in that moment last night, and that moment
wasn't a good looking one, so maybe there's a I
don't know how even if she's dating them, how can
Netflix tell her to shut up unless she has something
in the works netflick exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean, that's what I was thinking, that there was
some sort of stake in it for her. The other
interesting thing, as long as we're on the topic of
hurricane hood, one of my favorite moments Andy Cohen had,
You know, it's all about the follow up. When you're
a journalist, you can ask the question, but it's your
follow up that usually creates a moment. And they show
Hohodah's montage of Hurricane hoo to all of her moments
(23:04):
where she lost her cool, called people names, cursed. He asked.
Andy Cohen said, you know, how are you responding to
this now that you see it all collectively in a
montage like that, And she was just saying, I've done
so much self reflection. I've done so much work on
myself since the villa. And he kind of jumped in
(23:25):
and he said, so you did a month of self
reflection and you're a better person now. That was a
big singer. She acted as if she had just emerged
a better, stronger person and it's only been a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I'll give Andy Cohen here credit. And none of these
points was he being a smart ass. It wasn't as
if he was attacking her.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
No, yeah, wait, he genuinely was asking you a question.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So you're but he asked a question that I think
so often you and I have when we're watching I'm
sure many of you have when you're watching these reunion
shows that people come back on them and all of
a sudden, they're a new person that I have found
and unfound. God some say they do, but I've done
a lot of work and self reflection. And that's great,
and that can happen, but it almost it's said to
(24:10):
the point that you all, it just goes in one
ear and out the other. When you hear folks come on,
it seems like this is the line they've been fed.
This is what you're supposed to say, Show that you're different,
show that you've come around, and to think that after
a month, I'm a different person. Look, I'm sure she's
doing work, but I'm just defending Andy Cohen. He wasn't
being an answer.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh yeah, no, And if and if that made it
seem like I was saying so no. I think he
asked the follow up that all of us at home
on the couch watching, we're thinking, we wanted to ask it,
and he asked it for us. And look, I do
wonder how many of these people, and I don't know
who to might be very sincere and genuine, and she
might have done a lot of work in these few
weeks and really dug in. But it is one thing.
(24:48):
It is something to see yourself, you know, to see
a video of your worst moments, to see a video
of how badly you've behaved. Maybe you don't even realize
it until you see it and then you I get
that that can be a real thing. But I won't
know how many of these folks come out and get
media trained. They see what people are saying, they get
someone to help them, and then they know exactly what
to say and how to say it. And it's not authentic.
So that's the that's the turn off with some of
(25:10):
this stuff. You see people just changing who they are
or being on their best behavior, or monitoring what they
are and acting as if that's a change in them,
a true change them. When truly, they're just presenting a
different side, a curated side of themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I would love to give them all the benefit of
the doubt that maybe they are doing something different, doing
something better. I do, but I will tell you as well.
And maybe I was duped and silly for it, but
to actually think these folks had hope, that it was real,
that there was possibility that they were on their way,
I actually did. So when you invest in people like that,
(25:46):
and I'm I'm rooting for I mean, you know how
much I like Chris?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Oh yeah, Chris was great.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Always liked him. When you're rooting for people in that way,
just like Analyst is crazy about Pepe and Iris, right,
everybody is. You get so attached and you see something
didn't go right, and we know it possibly can't. But
when you see it doesn't go right, based on all
the things you thought would be out of their way happened.
What do we always say? As soon as I always say,
so we are if they send us to an island,
(26:13):
be together, we will live happily forever. What is the problem?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
You give these people their phones, all of a sudden,
the whole world is now impacting your relationship and your
family unit you had on the island, and sure enough
it all goes to shit. So this means was it
not real? Can it not really stand up in the
real world? That is where Yeah, love Island that special.
Almost wish I hadn't watched it.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, because self interest ends up ruling, you know, in
human nature, that is what tends to happen. And if
you don't have this deep rooted relationship that was based
in I mean based in reality. I know that sounds
funny because we're watching a reality show, but oftentimes if
you don't have that foundation, if you don't have that history,
(26:58):
if you don't have that community around you supporting you,
self interest will will shoot up and we'll just torpedo
a relationship. Because if you want to have a relationship,
you have to have the best interest in the person
who you're with, not in yourself, and.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's hard to do that in six eight weeks on
an island. Of course, you just can't, but just see
it play out, like.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
These are new relationships.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
But to see it play out, you could be hopeful.
But that this is I guess you talked about it.
Sometimes women get caught up in the fantasy, but this
is like a reality check for everybody. See what happens,
See what happens when you fall too fast, too hard,
when you do this too quickly, when you're in a
rush and you think it's all in your gut. I'm
gonna be with them forever, and one online video crushes us.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah no, I mean there are the reason why we
like these shows. Yes, they're entertaining, but I really do
we really do learn things about human nature, even a
fledgling relationship, even a relationship starting on TV with just
a few weeks. It's it's you still see human behavior
that is fascinating that we all have within us, that
(28:05):
we can all check in ourselves. So I like these
shows for that reason because Yay, they're fun to watch,
But also I really do try to see things that
I can recognize in other people that somehow I can say, whoops,
I do that too. Ooof I've done that before. Wow,
I never want to do that again. Like these are
all cautionary tales in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
It is. Love Island is a wonderful show that serves
as a cautionary tale. Maybe it shouldn't be that, Maybe
we shouldn't hold it up as something to aspire to
to get to in relationships, but a cautionary.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Tale, something to learn from it.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
We always we did several every single time we did
say here were the relationship takeaway lessons we saw in
each one, and here you go. The finale gave us
one as well, which is love is hard. It really is.
With that, folks, we always appreciate you hanging with us.
As always. Top right corner of that Apple podcast app
(29:01):
says follow click on that on our show page and
get all of our updates. And it seems like we
got a lot coming your way these days. So folks,
for Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes, always appreciate you hanging
with us.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Law & Order: Criminal Justice System - Season 1 & Season 2
Season Two Out Now! Law & Order: Criminal Justice System tells the real stories behind the landmark cases that have shaped how the most dangerous and influential criminals in America are prosecuted. In its second season, the series tackles the threat of terrorism in the United States. From the rise of extremist political groups in the 60s to domestic lone wolves in the modern day, we explore how organizations like the FBI and Joint Terrorism Take Force have evolved to fight back against a multitude of terrorist threats.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com