November 21, 2025 • 32 mins
One of the breakout stars from Grant Ellis’ season of The Bachelor was Carolina Quixano, and now Ben and Ashley are finding out what she’s like off-screen!
Carolina holds NOTHING back when breaking down everything that happened in her season, and she shares why she clashed with the other women in the mansion.
We find out what she really thinks about Grant as a Bachelor lead, and if we'll be seeing her again on reality TV!
Plus, Carolina spills all the tea on who she thinks were the REAL villains of her season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Podcast. Today we have
a big name from Grand season on Carolina Sophia. You
may know her as the girl who said I'm crazy
and evil.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That line just repeated over and over again. And I
decided to do so much throughout this season.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You really did. I actually I could not even sleep
last night just listening to everything back because I was like, wait,
I said yes to this podcast. Let me double check
to see, like, well, we need to like get on
the same page on we can have a debate, we
can like I want to where we align. Even if
you had just like talked, that's fine, but I wanted
to see, like where we coincided and where we did it.
And you were very kind to me, and in the
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moments that you were annoyed with me, I would have
been annoyed with me too if they were real. They
just weren't real, by the way, but we can guess
that later.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Wow. Actually, let's just get to it now. You just
open the door for It's so fun. Remind everyone, like
why the women supposedly didn't get along with you?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Was the good reason. No, not really.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Let's just let's stay focused on the reason. I want
to hear your response on why you think it happened
the way it happened.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
You know, I try to be very nice when we
were filming. I think they were weirdly obsessed with me.
And this is gonna sound bad and I'm gonna get canceled.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
This is gonna be like, there's no canceling anymore? Does
it happen?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
It's just like, it's like, why are you literally, why
are you so obsessed with me? If you think that
I'm taking up too much attention, don't give me attention.
I was so ready to be a background person. I
was like, if it's not me, I will see myself out.
And I really do not understand why everyone was so
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upset with me.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You actually have a very similar not I actually wouldn't
say vibe, but I think that the girls took you
in the house the way that we took Britt. And
if anybody back, you know, our audience has watched my
season mostly probably, but since you are much younger than I,
I'll say that I believe that we were all just
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jealous of her.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I've you said the words.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Like we were like, this girl is so ridiculously pretty,
he is so into her, and then on top of it,
she's like oddly nice, like so nice that it's creeping
us out because you can't be super liked by the
lead so pretty and then also genuinely this nice. And
I think we may have gotten her wrong. I think
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that just may have been her when we were all
like just sick, just sick, Well.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Thank you. I actually really appreciate that because I think
that even like the worst that you could get out
of meat, which even me watching a background, like I
can see why that's annoying, is like the negativity or
me saying like how I really felt at certain times.
But I'm like, hasn't that always been a thing though
with the Bachelor, Like the point of it is like,
even though you know you're signing up for this, part
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of it is the struggle of how you're really feeling.
And I think that like in the beginning, I remember
night one, I told the producers, everyone's so nice, everyone's
gonna get along. You guys are gonna have the most
boring season ever because everyone's so cool, and everyone had
been sharing their experiences, so I was like, oh, we're
really all just friends, and I really wanted to tell myself.
We are women in like our late twenties early thirties.
(03:35):
We don't see each other as competition, and I'm very
clear that my person is meant for me, and there's
no like it's not because I feel superior. It's more
of like, I'm not in competition with you. So if
that's your man, that's great. If it's mine, that's great.
But like, I really wanted that camaraderie, and it felt
like I'm being fed information and I'm being fed feeling.
So I'm trying to be the same way for my friends,
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but somehow my experiences were always negative or like too
like I don't know. It was just like I don't
know why I was so annoying every time that I spoke.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Ben doesn't agree with this, but this is where you know,
we differ a little bit. But I was more easily
persuaded into certain things and Ben is like, absolutely not goodbye.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So this is another thing that this isn't fully shown.
But I at the beginning of the season, every time
they'd be like, so how are you girls all feeling,
I'd be like passed. I don't want to answer it
because I don't want to say I'm jealous, but I'm
also not gonna be like I'm so happy, So I
would always be like, I really don't want to share,
and then then the girls would take that out on
me and be like, you don't even want to participate,
like and it's like, so what do you want me
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to say? You just want me to lie, to be
agreeable and say what you want me to say.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh my gosh, see you and I would have gotten
along so well because I got into a fight one
of those weeks because I was like, you, guys, why
are you happy for her?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Why are you You just got a rose? And it's
not being genuine.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
We're all jealous and we all want to be right now.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You want to say like I'm happy for you. I
still wish it was me, Like it's like I every
time that I would say something, it was so like
taken out of context, and it was the same thing.
One girl would say, let's stop pretending we're happy for
each other. And then when I would say I there
was a thing that I said, I said, like, I'm
as happy for you as I can be, Like it's
not personally, I'm not I'm not. It's not personal. It's
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not you that I don't like going on a date
with him. It's him going on a date with someone
who is at me. But I'm not mad. I'm just
like neutral. But you want to make my neutral negative.
So I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
You guys, if you're seeing a clip of this on Instagram,
like you can see Ben just staring at Caroline and
I justcri and he's like the voice of like sanity,
and we're just like exactly sorry.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I'm literally like on one right now. I just chugged
this like coffee. So Ben, go ahead, I'll let you talk.
Do you completely disagree with me?
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Well, first off, hello, it's nice to meet you. This
is why we don't let Ashley open up the podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah one like you guys don't even know the tangent.
I was prepared to go on.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
It was gonna be at it. Yeah, you'll get there
at some point. Do I agree with you? I'm more
curious about your situation. And I think it's always interesting
to me how a villain is created or how a
villain is shown on television, and it's never fully what
we see, we've met so many of your quote unquote
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villains through this show and through real life. And I
would say, in the ten years we've done this, and
let's let's just call it thirty seasons that we've walked through,
including Paradise, I would say there's three or four that
I would say are legitimate, like, oh, you're not the
best hanging in the world, and everybody else is like, no,
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you're great. And then I think there's a few people
that weren't getting the villain at it that I'm like,
you should have one hundred percent been shown out because
you're brutal. I think you're strategy of staying quiet is interesting.
I do see how you saying past could come off
to other contestants as she's not interested in this, she's disconnected,
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or maybe she's too good for it. I want to know, though,
from you. We've heard your strategy and kind of what
you were going through, but I want to hear from
you when you felt during the filming of the season
where you looked around and went, oh, crap, I don't
know if people like me or potentially I could be
(07:32):
the villain of this season. Was there that moment where
you realize I might not like the way this is shown.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I want to say I was probably super naive about it,
like I.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
That's fair, most most people are. You don't see it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
If I'm being completely honest, I knew that I wasn't
being mean. I'm like, there's still no clips of me
talking about anyone who hasn't come at me, like you
know when they asked you like did you see what
she was wearing? Or like wasn't she like me? And
I was like, I don't care to be involved in
this like petty stuff. So I was like, I, I
don't think that I'm really the villain, and I don't
think that even even in Scotland. After there was a
(08:11):
moment where I thought of it, but then I snapped
out of it because if something else that happened, we
can sortcle back to this later. But yeah, I didn't
realize until the trailer came out and I was like,
but is that cheeky and funny or is it like
I am the villain?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And I want to mention this. I have a soft
spot for villains, not because I feel like I really
was one of them or can relate to your to
having to watch this back on national television. I have
a soft spot for villains because I think I had
exposure to one of the worst. Olivia Creedy was the
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villain on my season when I was the bachelor. As
the bachelor.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yours, I think was the first one that I ever watched.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
And she was not a villain and goodness gracious. As
the bachelor, we loved Olivia. She was friendly with everybody,
She was sweet. Yeah, she was more outspoken, and she
was more invested into, like our relationship and definitely took
that and made it a priority over the friendships maybe
on the show, but there was no moment as the
Bachelor that was like, oh goodness, this poor girl is
(09:21):
going to get the villain at it. Yeah, until the
show aired and it crushed her, and I remember going,
this is just not the way it was. And I
think most of the girls in the season stood up
and said that's not the way it was. So I
have a soft spot because I know how this happens,
but it's not always that way. I don't want to
blame editing for all this, because it's sometimes you're like, yeah,
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you deserved it, you shouldn't have said that thing. So
I just wondered was there that moment where you said
something that you're like, this probably is not going to
go well.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
No, the moment that I felt like I was being
played to potentially be a villain was that moment in
Scotland and where I'm sitting by myself, and that was
completely not my decision. Grant pulled three girls to go
play a game, and so it was me and Serafina
left sitting by herselves, and then a producer pulled Saraphena
for an interview. So they make me seem like I
(10:15):
wasn't participating, which I was. They even do like the
editing where they'd be like where it's like everyone's like
playing a game. If you see the behind the scenes photos,
I'm smiling, throwing my log like I sucked at it,
but I had fun. I was trying my best. So
in that moment where I'm sitting by myself and the
cameras are on me still, I'm like, what's going on?
So when Grant comes to talk to me, I tell
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him can't you see him being like played right now?
So he's like, oh, come on whatever, just like join us.
So I go and I join that game that they're
all playing, and they edit it differently, so he comes
and finds me later and at this point I've already
forgotten all about like the potential setup. So he pulls
me and it seems as if I'm pouting in a
corner by myself and just like trying to get his attention,
and that's why he comes over at me. But yeah,
(11:00):
that was like a like I thought of it in
the moment in Scotland, forgot about it, and then watching
it back, I'm like, yep, I was right.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Now we know that you may have gotten along more
than people would have thought. However, I just am guessing
that you didn't necessarily get along well with Juliana because
you don't follow her on Instagram and you said something
on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I'm gonna write it.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You said, anyone claiming to be ready for an engagement
with the Bachelor before actually going on in one on
one with that person is probably just trying to win
the Bachelor more than connect with the human. So do
you think that, like Juliana was in it for the game,
what's your relationship? Like, how did you drive with her
during I.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Will be super honest, I never liked her. I don't
I wish her well. I think she was always poking
the bear and she got a really good edit. I
think on her basketball date, I heard she was not
nice to Zoe either, And I've even got and like
messages from people saying they were like part of that
group date and said that she just wasn't a nice person.
The night that the Rose thing happened, she started accusing
(12:09):
Rose of like putting a damper on the night. So
I had to stand up for Rose and be like,
if anything, blame me. And that's why the moment she
approached me, I was like, what are you getting at, Like,
you're just starting drama. I think had someone else come
to me and been like, hey, just so you know,
(12:29):
like we're feeling this type of way and we want
you to fix it, it would have been more constructive.
But she was coming at me saying like just so
you know, we've been talking about you, so I'm just
gonna tell you straight up. So yeah, I don't think
she's the greatest person, and I think she was trying
to start drama and I don't think she There's no
way that she could have that she could have felt
(12:51):
so confident about him being her person if she hadn't
even had a one on one date, Like, that's insane.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Let's switch gears a little bit. We've identified your storyline.
I am curious also about Grant. We just had Grant
on the show. He I don't actually know if it
has happened yet. He was getting ready for the reality
games or something. But Grant was the bachelor of your season.
(13:27):
Give us, if you don't mind two parts. One, explain
Grant to us as the bachelor, and then also what
your attraction or desire to potentially be in a relationship
with him actually was okay.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
The Grant that I met, like in the beginning, was
very reserved, and I've heard him say that he felt
like he had this pressure to be the bachelor, And
I remember even on night one, I was like, I
don't even know if there's going to be a connection there.
But I think on that group date where I made
out with him, and on our one on one, we
had so much fun together, and I think that I
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felt really like comfortable with him, and it felt like
a like a relationship that could build off a great friendship.
And I felt really flattered that I could see him
opening up really quickly and he would tell me, which
I mean now he probably told everyone that, but he
was like, I feel like I can just stop being
the bachelor with you and just like be myself. So
I think that's how I ended up like kind of
liking him.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Oh that goes into my next question. So we recently
had Lettia on the podcast and she had said on
the show that he called her the one early on,
but on our show she kind of told us even
more that he kept saying and he kept saying like
I love you and I can't wait, you know, for
it to be us in the end.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Did he ever say things like that to you?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I was listening to that episode yeah, on the way here,
and I was genuinely like cackling because I think Grant
is just like a misunderstood diva. Like I'm a fan
of Grant. I think that he is just like genuinely
not about person. I just think he's so not self
aware because I listened to him and I think this
man is convinced that he didn't say those things to people. Yeah,
(15:09):
the way that he says like, oh, it would be
dumb of me to say this while I'm miked, I'm like,
Grant be so for real, like the things that he
said to me. Also while might crazy, like I don't
know if he told Letti that she was the one,
but he was also telling me a lot of things
miked and on Mike, and I would still tell him like,
tone it down because it's a lot, and then he
would still continue to do it. He didn't call me
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the one, I will say, but he he was like,
oh when he meet my family, and then he would
make like is.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
This what they call love bombing?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Absolutely, I'm still trying to get my terminology always right
on this show and keeping up with the young'uns.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, I think I think the whole bosis of the
Bachelor is so accelerated that it is inevitably kind of
love bombing. But it's like, yeah, then don't do it
to every girl, like yeah, be polite, be nice, Like
my crash out was because he had said so much
on that one on one and then me finding out
that like he's kind of saying the same thing to everyone,
and I'm like, wait, do I need to like really
(16:08):
back in, like what's going on? And I felt played. Honestly,
I don't think I would have been a villain if
we had a good Bachelor.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Oh wait, whoa, You're a fan of Grant, but you
don't think he was a good I'm.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Like, ironically a fan of Grant, Like I don't.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I love her.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I love her, Like I think Grant is so unaware
of how funny he is that I like, like I
watched his tiktoks that I'm like slaty Eva like yeah,
like I love him, I'm obsessed with him.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You love him as entertainment and he's giving you non
intentional entertainment, right.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Right, Yeah, he didn't come off that way. Here's what's interesting.
We don't have to dive into he didn't come off
that way on The Bachelor, Like he didn't come off
as that kind of like really expressive.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Right, he's not being very expressive, like he doesn't. I mean,
I guess his dances or his I don't know. I
just think all I'm saying is he's unintentionally funny, Like
he's not being comedic on TikTok. Would you say it's.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
The lack of Selvi.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
It's like it's like the fact that he's so convinced
that he's a good guy. And I don't think he's
a bad guy either. It's just more of like a
oh my god, like you can't be serious.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
So what do you think about this celibacy journey?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Cool, I'm more concerned about the the dating advice, like
so for real, babe, like what but like love him
genuinely like big band so funny.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
So have you spoken to him since the show or
since the split?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
No? No, But the other day I was out with
a guy that I liked who was also loved bombing
me and then that also ended very quickly by the way,
shout out to him if he watches this, and he was.
We facetimed Grant. We tried calling Grant like twenty times
and he was like, are you not embarrassed? Like Grant
saying I thin you're upsets with him? Like no, this
is hilarious. And Grant tried answering, but he it wasn't
like connecting.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, So Carolyna, I have to go into this just
because you just gave me the window. Did you don't
have a boyfriend anymore?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
No, not anymore, like it was never a boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Did you have a boyfriend over the summer that you
got married to fake?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
No, it was it was a fake wedding.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
That was a fake wedding to a friend.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah, oh okay, wait, wait, well no, don't just skip
over the what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Okay, so you got married in a fake wedding over
the summer.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Was it like a sponsored thing?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, okay, it's like a party that they're throwing in
different countries, And in Puerto Rico it was like, okay,
who do we pick for this? And it was kind
of like iconic that the girl who failed at an engagement,
you know, would be part of it. So I said,
sign me up.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Okay. Funny.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
So you.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Have not had a relationship since to the show. Okay,
so then you have a childhood crush quote quote childhood
on Jo Jonas.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I'm going to check out for the next fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
God, like we could have like our own episode if
you'd like about Jojonas, because I would love to, because like,
I'm not sure if you know that I'm you know, yeah,
I saw the eighteen years of of.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
That, but you're married, so just let me have him.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I'm just really glad that I'm married because every time
I go to a show and it's okay, like maybe
going to my fourth of the tour tomorrow, I'm just
really glad that I'm married because I would be absolutely
mentally ill. No, I am mentally ill, Like I wouldn't
be able to go on a date with anyone else.
So okay, so I love that this past year. How
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are you doing? How are you doing being single? During
the Greetings from your Hometown show?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
So this is the thing. It's so peaceful not having
a crush, like I don't. I don't go to bed
thinking about just a lot. But now it's like I
go to bed and I'm like, like, I wish I
was just like cuddling with Jojonas right now, which is
so psychotic. But I think my obsession is less healthy
than it was when I was like fourteen.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I've been pretty unhealthy throughout the entire eighteen years. So yeah,
but like, can you believe what he's been like like
one hottest he's ever been, two funnies he's ever been.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, no, he was always funny, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
He has always been funny, but he's been like really
relaxed lately.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
People didn't get that, and that's why that's I think
that's why it's hard for me to date men because
I don't like anyone's personality is the way that I
love my parasocial relationship.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
With the parasocial relationship with.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Back in the day. Do you remember, oh, how the
tables at tours?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Of course I have, I know all them.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
The're iconic.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
He's always been.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So so funny, and it's always been his personality that's
made him so attractive.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And now he's even hotter.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
But now he's even physically hotter, And like, I think
that there was a time where he was way more
reserved and now he's just big, big bong.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Okay, well, I I think I've always perceived him as
being being bombed. It almost makes me mad that now
people want to hop on this bandwagon. I'm like, no,
I've been here this whole time.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I know, all right, So I just wanted to let
you know that, Like, I feel like you could probably
make your way in on that. I know that he
is kind of seeing someone, but like, I also don't
know how.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Serious it is, And I mean, it's Joe Jonahs. I
love him, but you know, I might not last that
long and I'm always here for a rebound if he's
that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay, I'm just like really glad we can bond over
this like, let's dm like each other some some Instagram reels.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
If I were to have had a meeting with ABC,
I would have been like, can you make this happen
if there is any potential of If they had asked like, oh,
what would you want this to look like? Who would
you want to see? I'd be like the Jonahs brothers
and they would have said, like, oh, we have relationship
with them.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
They certainly do have a relationship with her, I know
with the Hulu Disney Plus combo.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Did you see the movie yet?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Hey, speaking of Rebounds Paradise, we didn't see you in Paradise.
We would expect you to be in Paradise, but you
weren't there. Why were you not there?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
M that's a great question.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Who would you want to date?
Speaker 5 (22:18):
It there?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
That's a thing like who would I like? Can they
get me?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Jo?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Jonas?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Like, I mean, Jonathan would have been your closest bet,
I mean you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I don't know that. I do know what you mean,
and I love Jonathan, but like Jonathan, I adore you genuinely.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
The closest you would get as far as like your type.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, my type is josonas. Yes, basically I haven't. I
don't really have a type, but personality I need. I
need big, big bong.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well in that case, not Jonathan, No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Carolina, you weren't in paradise. The show was I don't
even know if we can call it rough for you.
It reminded me a lot of like krin Olympio's like
storyline where you're not really a villain, but you're like
polarizing and people don't really know how to feel.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
But she at least got more love and she got
more clout. Like I was like, what did I get
out of this?
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Well, you went on. You came on the show at
a different time than her too, The show was more,
had a ton more viewers. She also had a very
popular Bachelor as her bachelor, and I think people really
like I think that helps when it comes to, you know,
the cloud that comes to the contestants. Also, she went
on a bunch of other shows, which we're going to
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get to after her time on the show.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
By the way, before we move on, before I forget,
can I just say the reason why mess I screwed
myself over was because because I want to make sure
this gets across the right way. I wasn't willing to
lie to anyone or manipulate anyone for the clout. I'm
just saying, when you look back, you're like, damn, I
should just pretend it to be fully into him so
that I could just stay longer and then at least
benefit from the brand deals. Just so we're clear, I
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wasn't willing to do that. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
The transparency is so wonderful.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
No, No, like I it's true, like you know that
you could get opportunities, but I that's that was my
self sabotage, was being so open about like I'm not
willing to stay here if this guy isn't treating me
right just for the sake of TV. So okay, so sorry.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Go ahead. I guess. With all that being said, my question,
in the simplest form is do you feel back to yourself?
Do you feel healthy again? And now looking back on
this whole experience, are you still glad you did it?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I don't. I don't regret doing it, and now like
I would do it again. I'm like, if I survived this,
I don't know if this is toxic of me, but
I I was so sad and so like not even
wanting to consider like reality shows or whatever. Now I'm like,
what sign me up?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Interesting?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:03):
I mean I do think there's opportunities for you out
there with some of these shows that Karinn has done,
if they still exist, some of those like villain shows
or some of those more like those shows out a
little crazier perfect Match House of Villain like those things
are really popular, and definitely I think they actually talking
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to a current about it. I actually felt like she
felt more herself in those at times, and sometimes it
we even went too far in a direction she didn't
want it to because it was so wild and she
was actually the reserved one. So I do think those
opportunities would be really good for you. And if you
is listening that cast for those shows, please consider currently not.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Me, please, Yeah, I would do it. I think I
learned a lot. I don't regret it. I don't think
that it could go any worse for me truly, So
bring it on.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Hm.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Did you reach out to any other villains like my
friend Sidney was the villain this season before? Did anybody
reach out to you?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Shane reached out to me, okay, which was nice. Yeah,
but no one I don't, and if someone did, and
I'm forgetting them, I'm so sorry. No one that I
can remember being a villain.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, okay, I'm sorry I didn't because yeah I didn't.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I know, so sorry we did.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I would defecting a lot here. Thank you so much.
That was very sweet. You also weren't a villain though, No,
you were just a crier.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
So was that?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Okay, we'd crash out, It's fine.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
We did have Zachary reality on who mentioned that you
guys had a friendship, but that friendship had wayne for
a bit and I felt like it was trying to
get back on.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Uh, we're good again.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
You guys are good. You love Zach like we think
he's He's an incredible commentator for these real So you
guys are good again.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think I want to wrap this up by asking
you if, if you weren't the villain of your season,
who secretly was. I mean, you kind of alluded to
Juliana of not being as nice as.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I think Juliana, Zoe and Grant, but Grant didn't mean
to be. But he's just like so Grant, you know, wait,
how is Zoe? I think Zoe is a very judgmental person,
and even then, I think people try, Like I remember
hearing about how she was treated on her date where
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she did actually steal him, and I was like, not cool,
But I still would have defended her because it feels
shitty to be attacked, And I remember trying to be
nice to her, like I remember there was a day
where she was concerned about like in Spain, when she
had extra time with Grant. She came back and she
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was like, just do you guys know, like she was
kind of freaking out a little bit. She was like,
I even if even though it seems like I was
gone for a long time, like it wasn't long. Like
she was very concerned about how the group would perceive
her time, and I was like, don't worry about it,
Like no one was talking about it. Everyone's just like tired,
like no one's So I tried, like I don't not
(28:19):
that we were friends, but I tried being nice to her,
And then she still came at me for the dumbest thing.
She called me out for taking a nap on the couch,
where it's like, why do you care so much if
I took a nap on the couch and why are
you like coming at me and saying like like the
things that she was saying in Scotland, where it's like
purposely excluding me from a conversation, being super judgmental towards me,
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and then even on social media still being like weird
about me. I tried telling her, like I tried complimenting
her and being like, never thought we'd agree because everyone
knows we don't agree on anything. But like you go girl,
like trying to be like offer that I'm not gonna
be fake and suddenly be like, you know, like I
know we've never been friends, but you go o girl,
(29:01):
and she's like yeah weird. Like I'm just like, why
are you like mean? Like I just don't I'm just
like okay whatever. She went on another podcast saying that
I was annoying for taking pictures. It's like when I
saw you taking pictures, that's when I asked for pictures
of myself, Like you were taking pictures first, what do
you mean? Like even I just don't think that. Like,
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if you don't like somebody because of little quirks that
they have, you should go on a podcast and just
blast them like that and the way like she would
just come at me for little things. It's like I
didn't seal her time, I didn't do anything to her,
so I think she was just like petty. Those are
the people.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I could have seen them flipping in on her too.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I thought she was gonna be the villain the whole time.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
But I don't know whatever you got that, you got
that honor clearing me. You have the honor of that
title from yourself so much.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
ABC. I love you.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah, next question for you, and my final question is
what is life? What do you hope life looks like?
H kind of in the next few years for you?
Coming off of this show? You do you know have
a following now you will get a ton of press
from this interview. I promise you that what if anybody
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listens that could support you, help you, or at least
have you a part of their projects. What are you
hoping comes in the next few years of your life?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Ooh project wise? Oh, this is like a lot of
pressure to answer on the spot.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Let me think, well, I know one you want to
go on these shows, any spin off show, you'd be
very interested in doing it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Thank you. I love hosting. Like I don't know if
this was even shown on the show, but I used
to be a TV reporter, like I would loved how
we were talking about that before you came on. Yeah,
I would love that. If anyone needs a host, let
me know. I don't know literally anything like hit me up.
I'm so for an adventure.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
I would say this, Carolina, you will be perfect on
some of these really fun spin off shows like House
of Villain and any of these they're cool things that
we love to watch people do, and beyond that I
could never be a part of because they're saying yes
to things that I.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Because he's far too sane, because he has all of
his marbles always.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I think it'd just be fun. It's fun, it's fun
to watch, and I think you'd be great at it.
Thank you, Carolina. You're a pleasure, and so are you guys.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
You guys are even more likable talking to you, like,
not in person, but you know virtually than I could
have even imagined.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
So do you watch the show at all anymore?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Because I would love to have you co host if
we ever need a substitute.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, let me know.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Okay, cool, because you're so fun and honest.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Oh my oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Yeah, I'll take a break. I'll just like I won't
I will not show up. I will not be here.
You you two can go on and on and on
about whatever you want to talk.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Already distracted conversation where we relate everything back to Joe.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, I literally started talking to I'm like, where was
I going this? And I'm just hoping I find it again?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
So well, that makes two of us.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, Ben's probably biggest faux pas about doing a podcast
with me.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Yeah, you just kind of get used to it after
you Carolina, It's been great. Hopefully you come back soon.
Until next time, I've been Ben, Thank.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
You, I've been Ashley. Bye.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Podcast. Today we have
a big name from Grand season on Carolina Sophia. You
may know her as the girl who said I'm crazy
and evil.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That line just repeated over and over again. And I
decided to do so much throughout this season.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You really did. I actually I could not even sleep
last night just listening to everything back because I was like, wait,
I said yes to this podcast. Let me double check
to see, like, well, we need to like get on
the same page on we can have a debate, we
can like I want to where we align. Even if
you had just like talked, that's fine, but I wanted
to see, like where we coincided and where we did it.
And you were very kind to me, and in the
(00:52):
moments that you were annoyed with me, I would have
been annoyed with me too if they were real. They
just weren't real, by the way, but we can guess
that later.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Wow. Actually, let's just get to it now. You just
open the door for It's so fun. Remind everyone, like
why the women supposedly didn't get along with you?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Was the good reason. No, not really.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Let's just let's stay focused on the reason. I want
to hear your response on why you think it happened
the way it happened.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
You know, I try to be very nice when we
were filming. I think they were weirdly obsessed with me.
And this is gonna sound bad and I'm gonna get canceled.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
This is gonna be like, there's no canceling anymore? Does
it happen?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
It's just like, it's like, why are you literally, why
are you so obsessed with me? If you think that
I'm taking up too much attention, don't give me attention.
I was so ready to be a background person. I
was like, if it's not me, I will see myself out.
And I really do not understand why everyone was so
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upset with me.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You actually have a very similar not I actually wouldn't
say vibe, but I think that the girls took you
in the house the way that we took Britt. And
if anybody back, you know, our audience has watched my
season mostly probably, but since you are much younger than I,
I'll say that I believe that we were all just
(02:18):
jealous of her.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I've you said the words.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Like we were like, this girl is so ridiculously pretty,
he is so into her, and then on top of it,
she's like oddly nice, like so nice that it's creeping
us out because you can't be super liked by the
lead so pretty and then also genuinely this nice. And
I think we may have gotten her wrong. I think
(02:46):
that just may have been her when we were all
like just sick, just sick, Well.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Thank you. I actually really appreciate that because I think
that even like the worst that you could get out
of meat, which even me watching a background, like I
can see why that's annoying, is like the negativity or
me saying like how I really felt at certain times.
But I'm like, hasn't that always been a thing though
with the Bachelor, Like the point of it is like,
even though you know you're signing up for this, part
(03:12):
of it is the struggle of how you're really feeling.
And I think that like in the beginning, I remember
night one, I told the producers, everyone's so nice, everyone's
gonna get along. You guys are gonna have the most
boring season ever because everyone's so cool, and everyone had
been sharing their experiences, so I was like, oh, we're
really all just friends, and I really wanted to tell myself.
We are women in like our late twenties early thirties.
(03:35):
We don't see each other as competition, and I'm very
clear that my person is meant for me, and there's
no like it's not because I feel superior. It's more
of like, I'm not in competition with you. So if
that's your man, that's great. If it's mine, that's great.
But like, I really wanted that camaraderie, and it felt
like I'm being fed information and I'm being fed feeling.
So I'm trying to be the same way for my friends,
(03:56):
but somehow my experiences were always negative or like too
like I don't know. It was just like I don't
know why I was so annoying every time that I spoke.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Ben doesn't agree with this, but this is where you know,
we differ a little bit. But I was more easily
persuaded into certain things and Ben is like, absolutely not goodbye.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So this is another thing that this isn't fully shown.
But I at the beginning of the season, every time
they'd be like, so how are you girls all feeling,
I'd be like passed. I don't want to answer it
because I don't want to say I'm jealous, but I'm
also not gonna be like I'm so happy, So I
would always be like, I really don't want to share,
and then then the girls would take that out on
me and be like, you don't even want to participate,
like and it's like, so what do you want me
(04:41):
to say? You just want me to lie, to be
agreeable and say what you want me to say.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh my gosh, see you and I would have gotten
along so well because I got into a fight one
of those weeks because I was like, you, guys, why
are you happy for her?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Why are you You just got a rose? And it's
not being genuine.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
We're all jealous and we all want to be right now.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You want to say like I'm happy for you. I
still wish it was me, Like it's like I every
time that I would say something, it was so like
taken out of context, and it was the same thing.
One girl would say, let's stop pretending we're happy for
each other. And then when I would say I there
was a thing that I said, I said, like, I'm
as happy for you as I can be, Like it's
not personally, I'm not I'm not. It's not personal. It's
(05:21):
not you that I don't like going on a date
with him. It's him going on a date with someone
who is at me. But I'm not mad. I'm just
like neutral. But you want to make my neutral negative.
So I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
You guys, if you're seeing a clip of this on Instagram,
like you can see Ben just staring at Caroline and
I justcri and he's like the voice of like sanity,
and we're just like exactly sorry.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I'm literally like on one right now. I just chugged
this like coffee. So Ben, go ahead, I'll let you talk.
Do you completely disagree with me?
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Well, first off, hello, it's nice to meet you. This
is why we don't let Ashley open up the podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah one like you guys don't even know the tangent.
I was prepared to go on.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
It was gonna be at it. Yeah, you'll get there
at some point. Do I agree with you? I'm more
curious about your situation. And I think it's always interesting
to me how a villain is created or how a
villain is shown on television, and it's never fully what
we see, we've met so many of your quote unquote
(06:26):
villains through this show and through real life. And I
would say, in the ten years we've done this, and
let's let's just call it thirty seasons that we've walked through,
including Paradise, I would say there's three or four that
I would say are legitimate, like, oh, you're not the
best hanging in the world, and everybody else is like, no,
(06:49):
you're great. And then I think there's a few people
that weren't getting the villain at it that I'm like,
you should have one hundred percent been shown out because
you're brutal. I think you're strategy of staying quiet is interesting.
I do see how you saying past could come off
to other contestants as she's not interested in this, she's disconnected,
(07:12):
or maybe she's too good for it. I want to know, though,
from you. We've heard your strategy and kind of what
you were going through, but I want to hear from
you when you felt during the filming of the season
where you looked around and went, oh, crap, I don't
know if people like me or potentially I could be
(07:32):
the villain of this season. Was there that moment where
you realize I might not like the way this is shown.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I want to say I was probably super naive about it,
like I.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
That's fair, most most people are. You don't see it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
If I'm being completely honest, I knew that I wasn't
being mean. I'm like, there's still no clips of me
talking about anyone who hasn't come at me, like you
know when they asked you like did you see what
she was wearing? Or like wasn't she like me? And
I was like, I don't care to be involved in
this like petty stuff. So I was like, I, I
don't think that I'm really the villain, and I don't
think that even even in Scotland. After there was a
(08:11):
moment where I thought of it, but then I snapped
out of it because if something else that happened, we
can sortcle back to this later. But yeah, I didn't
realize until the trailer came out and I was like,
but is that cheeky and funny or is it like
I am the villain?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And I want to mention this. I have a soft
spot for villains, not because I feel like I really
was one of them or can relate to your to
having to watch this back on national television. I have
a soft spot for villains because I think I had
exposure to one of the worst. Olivia Creedy was the
(08:51):
villain on my season when I was the bachelor. As
the bachelor.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yours, I think was the first one that I ever watched.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
And she was not a villain and goodness gracious. As
the bachelor, we loved Olivia. She was friendly with everybody,
She was sweet. Yeah, she was more outspoken, and she
was more invested into, like our relationship and definitely took
that and made it a priority over the friendships maybe
on the show, but there was no moment as the
Bachelor that was like, oh goodness, this poor girl is
(09:21):
going to get the villain at it. Yeah, until the
show aired and it crushed her, and I remember going,
this is just not the way it was. And I
think most of the girls in the season stood up
and said that's not the way it was. So I
have a soft spot because I know how this happens,
but it's not always that way. I don't want to
blame editing for all this, because it's sometimes you're like, yeah,
(09:44):
you deserved it, you shouldn't have said that thing. So
I just wondered was there that moment where you said
something that you're like, this probably is not going to
go well.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
No, the moment that I felt like I was being
played to potentially be a villain was that moment in
Scotland and where I'm sitting by myself, and that was
completely not my decision. Grant pulled three girls to go
play a game, and so it was me and Serafina
left sitting by herselves, and then a producer pulled Saraphena
for an interview. So they make me seem like I
(10:15):
wasn't participating, which I was. They even do like the
editing where they'd be like where it's like everyone's like
playing a game. If you see the behind the scenes photos,
I'm smiling, throwing my log like I sucked at it,
but I had fun. I was trying my best. So
in that moment where I'm sitting by myself and the
cameras are on me still, I'm like, what's going on?
So when Grant comes to talk to me, I tell
(10:37):
him can't you see him being like played right now?
So he's like, oh, come on whatever, just like join us.
So I go and I join that game that they're
all playing, and they edit it differently, so he comes
and finds me later and at this point I've already
forgotten all about like the potential setup. So he pulls
me and it seems as if I'm pouting in a
corner by myself and just like trying to get his attention,
and that's why he comes over at me. But yeah,
(11:00):
that was like a like I thought of it in
the moment in Scotland, forgot about it, and then watching
it back, I'm like, yep, I was right.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Now we know that you may have gotten along more
than people would have thought. However, I just am guessing
that you didn't necessarily get along well with Juliana because
you don't follow her on Instagram and you said something
on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I'm gonna write it.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You said, anyone claiming to be ready for an engagement
with the Bachelor before actually going on in one on
one with that person is probably just trying to win
the Bachelor more than connect with the human. So do
you think that, like Juliana was in it for the game,
what's your relationship? Like, how did you drive with her
during I.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Will be super honest, I never liked her. I don't
I wish her well. I think she was always poking
the bear and she got a really good edit. I
think on her basketball date, I heard she was not
nice to Zoe either, And I've even got and like
messages from people saying they were like part of that
group date and said that she just wasn't a nice person.
The night that the Rose thing happened, she started accusing
(12:09):
Rose of like putting a damper on the night. So
I had to stand up for Rose and be like,
if anything, blame me. And that's why the moment she
approached me, I was like, what are you getting at, Like,
you're just starting drama. I think had someone else come
to me and been like, hey, just so you know,
(12:29):
like we're feeling this type of way and we want
you to fix it, it would have been more constructive.
But she was coming at me saying like just so
you know, we've been talking about you, so I'm just
gonna tell you straight up. So yeah, I don't think
she's the greatest person, and I think she was trying
to start drama and I don't think she There's no
way that she could have that she could have felt
(12:51):
so confident about him being her person if she hadn't
even had a one on one date, Like, that's insane.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Let's switch gears a little bit. We've identified your storyline.
I am curious also about Grant. We just had Grant
on the show. He I don't actually know if it
has happened yet. He was getting ready for the reality
games or something. But Grant was the bachelor of your season.
(13:27):
Give us, if you don't mind two parts. One, explain
Grant to us as the bachelor, and then also what
your attraction or desire to potentially be in a relationship
with him actually was okay.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
The Grant that I met, like in the beginning, was
very reserved, and I've heard him say that he felt
like he had this pressure to be the bachelor, And
I remember even on night one, I was like, I
don't even know if there's going to be a connection there.
But I think on that group date where I made
out with him, and on our one on one, we
had so much fun together, and I think that I
(14:03):
felt really like comfortable with him, and it felt like
a like a relationship that could build off a great friendship.
And I felt really flattered that I could see him
opening up really quickly and he would tell me, which
I mean now he probably told everyone that, but he
was like, I feel like I can just stop being
the bachelor with you and just like be myself. So
I think that's how I ended up like kind of
liking him.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Oh that goes into my next question. So we recently
had Lettia on the podcast and she had said on
the show that he called her the one early on,
but on our show she kind of told us even
more that he kept saying and he kept saying like
I love you and I can't wait, you know, for
it to be us in the end.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Did he ever say things like that to you?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I was listening to that episode yeah, on the way here,
and I was genuinely like cackling because I think Grant
is just like a misunderstood diva. Like I'm a fan
of Grant. I think that he is just like genuinely
not about person. I just think he's so not self
aware because I listened to him and I think this
man is convinced that he didn't say those things to people. Yeah,
(15:09):
the way that he says like, oh, it would be
dumb of me to say this while I'm miked, I'm like,
Grant be so for real, like the things that he
said to me. Also while might crazy, like I don't
know if he told Letti that she was the one,
but he was also telling me a lot of things
miked and on Mike, and I would still tell him like,
tone it down because it's a lot, and then he
would still continue to do it. He didn't call me
(15:31):
the one, I will say, but he he was like,
oh when he meet my family, and then he would
make like is.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
This what they call love bombing?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Absolutely, I'm still trying to get my terminology always right
on this show and keeping up with the young'uns.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, I think I think the whole bosis of the
Bachelor is so accelerated that it is inevitably kind of
love bombing. But it's like, yeah, then don't do it
to every girl, like yeah, be polite, be nice, Like
my crash out was because he had said so much
on that one on one and then me finding out
that like he's kind of saying the same thing to everyone,
and I'm like, wait, do I need to like really
(16:08):
back in, like what's going on? And I felt played. Honestly,
I don't think I would have been a villain if
we had a good Bachelor.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Oh wait, whoa, You're a fan of Grant, but you
don't think he was a good I'm.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Like, ironically a fan of Grant, Like I don't.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I love her.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I love her, Like I think Grant is so unaware
of how funny he is that I like, like I
watched his tiktoks that I'm like slaty Eva like yeah,
like I love him, I'm obsessed with him.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You love him as entertainment and he's giving you non
intentional entertainment, right.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Right, Yeah, he didn't come off that way. Here's what's interesting.
We don't have to dive into he didn't come off
that way on The Bachelor, Like he didn't come off
as that kind of like really expressive.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Right, he's not being very expressive, like he doesn't. I mean,
I guess his dances or his I don't know. I
just think all I'm saying is he's unintentionally funny, Like
he's not being comedic on TikTok. Would you say it's.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
The lack of Selvi.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
It's like it's like the fact that he's so convinced
that he's a good guy. And I don't think he's
a bad guy either. It's just more of like a
oh my god, like you can't be serious.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
So what do you think about this celibacy journey?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Cool, I'm more concerned about the the dating advice, like
so for real, babe, like what but like love him
genuinely like big band so funny.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
So have you spoken to him since the show or
since the split?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
No? No, But the other day I was out with
a guy that I liked who was also loved bombing
me and then that also ended very quickly by the way,
shout out to him if he watches this, and he was.
We facetimed Grant. We tried calling Grant like twenty times
and he was like, are you not embarrassed? Like Grant
saying I thin you're upsets with him? Like no, this
is hilarious. And Grant tried answering, but he it wasn't
like connecting.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, So Carolyna, I have to go into this just
because you just gave me the window. Did you don't
have a boyfriend anymore?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
No, not anymore, like it was never a boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Did you have a boyfriend over the summer that you
got married to fake?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
No, it was it was a fake wedding.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
That was a fake wedding to a friend.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah, oh okay, wait, wait, well no, don't just skip
over the what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Okay, so you got married in a fake wedding over
the summer.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Was it like a sponsored thing?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, okay, it's like a party that they're throwing in
different countries, And in Puerto Rico it was like, okay,
who do we pick for this? And it was kind
of like iconic that the girl who failed at an engagement,
you know, would be part of it. So I said,
sign me up.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Okay. Funny.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
So you.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Have not had a relationship since to the show. Okay,
so then you have a childhood crush quote quote childhood
on Jo Jonas.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I'm going to check out for the next fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
God, like we could have like our own episode if
you'd like about Jojonas, because I would love to, because like,
I'm not sure if you know that I'm you know, yeah,
I saw the eighteen years of of.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
That, but you're married, so just let me have him.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I'm just really glad that I'm married because every time
I go to a show and it's okay, like maybe
going to my fourth of the tour tomorrow, I'm just
really glad that I'm married because I would be absolutely
mentally ill. No, I am mentally ill, Like I wouldn't
be able to go on a date with anyone else.
So okay, so I love that this past year. How
(19:42):
are you doing? How are you doing being single? During
the Greetings from your Hometown show?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
So this is the thing. It's so peaceful not having
a crush, like I don't. I don't go to bed
thinking about just a lot. But now it's like I
go to bed and I'm like, like, I wish I
was just like cuddling with Jojonas right now, which is
so psychotic. But I think my obsession is less healthy
than it was when I was like fourteen.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I've been pretty unhealthy throughout the entire eighteen years. So yeah,
but like, can you believe what he's been like like
one hottest he's ever been, two funnies he's ever been.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, no, he was always funny, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
He has always been funny, but he's been like really
relaxed lately.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
People didn't get that, and that's why that's I think
that's why it's hard for me to date men because
I don't like anyone's personality is the way that I
love my parasocial relationship.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
With the parasocial relationship with.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Back in the day. Do you remember, oh, how the
tables at tours?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Of course I have, I know all them.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
The're iconic.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
He's always been.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So so funny, and it's always been his personality that's
made him so attractive.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And now he's even hotter.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
But now he's even physically hotter, And like, I think
that there was a time where he was way more
reserved and now he's just big, big bong.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Okay, well, I I think I've always perceived him as
being being bombed. It almost makes me mad that now
people want to hop on this bandwagon. I'm like, no,
I've been here this whole time.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I know, all right, So I just wanted to let
you know that, Like, I feel like you could probably
make your way in on that. I know that he
is kind of seeing someone, but like, I also don't
know how.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Serious it is, And I mean, it's Joe Jonahs. I
love him, but you know, I might not last that
long and I'm always here for a rebound if he's
that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay, I'm just like really glad we can bond over
this like, let's dm like each other some some Instagram reels.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
If I were to have had a meeting with ABC,
I would have been like, can you make this happen
if there is any potential of If they had asked like, oh,
what would you want this to look like? Who would
you want to see? I'd be like the Jonahs brothers
and they would have said, like, oh, we have relationship
with them.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
They certainly do have a relationship with her, I know
with the Hulu Disney Plus combo.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Did you see the movie yet?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Hey, speaking of Rebounds Paradise, we didn't see you in Paradise.
We would expect you to be in Paradise, but you
weren't there. Why were you not there?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
M that's a great question.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Who would you want to date?
Speaker 5 (22:18):
It there?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
That's a thing like who would I like? Can they
get me?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Jo?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Jonas?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Like, I mean, Jonathan would have been your closest bet,
I mean you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I don't know that. I do know what you mean,
and I love Jonathan, but like Jonathan, I adore you genuinely.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
The closest you would get as far as like your type.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, my type is josonas. Yes, basically I haven't. I
don't really have a type, but personality I need. I
need big, big bong.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well in that case, not Jonathan, No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Carolina, you weren't in paradise. The show was I don't
even know if we can call it rough for you.
It reminded me a lot of like krin Olympio's like
storyline where you're not really a villain, but you're like
polarizing and people don't really know how to feel.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
But she at least got more love and she got
more clout. Like I was like, what did I get
out of this?
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Well, you went on. You came on the show at
a different time than her too, The show was more,
had a ton more viewers. She also had a very
popular Bachelor as her bachelor, and I think people really
like I think that helps when it comes to, you know,
the cloud that comes to the contestants. Also, she went
on a bunch of other shows, which we're going to
(23:42):
get to after her time on the show.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
By the way, before we move on, before I forget,
can I just say the reason why mess I screwed
myself over was because because I want to make sure
this gets across the right way. I wasn't willing to
lie to anyone or manipulate anyone for the clout. I'm
just saying, when you look back, you're like, damn, I
should just pretend it to be fully into him so
that I could just stay longer and then at least
benefit from the brand deals. Just so we're clear, I
(24:07):
wasn't willing to do that. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
The transparency is so wonderful.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
No, No, like I it's true, like you know that
you could get opportunities, but I that's that was my
self sabotage, was being so open about like I'm not
willing to stay here if this guy isn't treating me
right just for the sake of TV. So okay, so sorry.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Go ahead. I guess. With all that being said, my question,
in the simplest form is do you feel back to yourself?
Do you feel healthy again? And now looking back on
this whole experience, are you still glad you did it?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I don't. I don't regret doing it, and now like
I would do it again. I'm like, if I survived this,
I don't know if this is toxic of me, but
I I was so sad and so like not even
wanting to consider like reality shows or whatever. Now I'm like,
what sign me up?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Interesting?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:03):
I mean I do think there's opportunities for you out
there with some of these shows that Karinn has done,
if they still exist, some of those like villain shows
or some of those more like those shows out a
little crazier perfect Match House of Villain like those things
are really popular, and definitely I think they actually talking
(25:24):
to a current about it. I actually felt like she
felt more herself in those at times, and sometimes it
we even went too far in a direction she didn't
want it to because it was so wild and she
was actually the reserved one. So I do think those
opportunities would be really good for you. And if you
is listening that cast for those shows, please consider currently not.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Me, please, Yeah, I would do it. I think I
learned a lot. I don't regret it. I don't think
that it could go any worse for me truly, So
bring it on.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Hm.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Did you reach out to any other villains like my
friend Sidney was the villain this season before? Did anybody
reach out to you?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Shane reached out to me, okay, which was nice. Yeah,
but no one I don't, and if someone did, and
I'm forgetting them, I'm so sorry. No one that I
can remember being a villain.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, okay, I'm sorry I didn't because yeah I didn't.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I know, so sorry we did.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I would defecting a lot here. Thank you so much.
That was very sweet. You also weren't a villain though, No,
you were just a crier.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
So was that?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Okay, we'd crash out, It's fine.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
We did have Zachary reality on who mentioned that you
guys had a friendship, but that friendship had wayne for
a bit and I felt like it was trying to
get back on.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Uh, we're good again.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
You guys are good. You love Zach like we think
he's He's an incredible commentator for these real So you
guys are good again.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think I want to wrap this up by asking
you if, if you weren't the villain of your season,
who secretly was. I mean, you kind of alluded to
Juliana of not being as nice as.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I think Juliana, Zoe and Grant, but Grant didn't mean
to be. But he's just like so Grant, you know, wait,
how is Zoe? I think Zoe is a very judgmental person,
and even then, I think people try, Like I remember
hearing about how she was treated on her date where
(27:38):
she did actually steal him, and I was like, not cool,
But I still would have defended her because it feels
shitty to be attacked, And I remember trying to be
nice to her, like I remember there was a day
where she was concerned about like in Spain, when she
had extra time with Grant. She came back and she
(27:59):
was like, just do you guys know, like she was
kind of freaking out a little bit. She was like,
I even if even though it seems like I was
gone for a long time, like it wasn't long. Like
she was very concerned about how the group would perceive
her time, and I was like, don't worry about it,
Like no one was talking about it. Everyone's just like tired,
like no one's So I tried, like I don't not
(28:19):
that we were friends, but I tried being nice to her,
And then she still came at me for the dumbest thing.
She called me out for taking a nap on the couch,
where it's like, why do you care so much if
I took a nap on the couch and why are
you like coming at me and saying like like the
things that she was saying in Scotland, where it's like
purposely excluding me from a conversation, being super judgmental towards me,
(28:40):
and then even on social media still being like weird
about me. I tried telling her, like I tried complimenting
her and being like, never thought we'd agree because everyone
knows we don't agree on anything. But like you go girl,
like trying to be like offer that I'm not gonna
be fake and suddenly be like, you know, like I
know we've never been friends, but you go o girl,
(29:01):
and she's like yeah weird. Like I'm just like, why
are you like mean? Like I just don't I'm just
like okay whatever. She went on another podcast saying that
I was annoying for taking pictures. It's like when I
saw you taking pictures, that's when I asked for pictures
of myself, Like you were taking pictures first, what do
you mean? Like even I just don't think that. Like,
(29:21):
if you don't like somebody because of little quirks that
they have, you should go on a podcast and just
blast them like that and the way like she would
just come at me for little things. It's like I
didn't seal her time, I didn't do anything to her,
so I think she was just like petty. Those are
the people.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I could have seen them flipping in on her too.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I thought she was gonna be the villain the whole time.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
But I don't know whatever you got that, you got
that honor clearing me. You have the honor of that
title from yourself so much.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
ABC. I love you.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah, next question for you, and my final question is
what is life? What do you hope life looks like?
H kind of in the next few years for you?
Coming off of this show? You do you know have
a following now you will get a ton of press
from this interview. I promise you that what if anybody
(30:12):
listens that could support you, help you, or at least
have you a part of their projects. What are you
hoping comes in the next few years of your life?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Ooh project wise? Oh, this is like a lot of
pressure to answer on the spot.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Let me think, well, I know one you want to
go on these shows, any spin off show, you'd be
very interested in doing it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Thank you. I love hosting. Like I don't know if
this was even shown on the show, but I used
to be a TV reporter, like I would loved how
we were talking about that before you came on. Yeah,
I would love that. If anyone needs a host, let
me know. I don't know literally anything like hit me up.
I'm so for an adventure.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
I would say this, Carolina, you will be perfect on
some of these really fun spin off shows like House
of Villain and any of these they're cool things that
we love to watch people do, and beyond that I
could never be a part of because they're saying yes
to things that I.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Because he's far too sane, because he has all of
his marbles always.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I think it'd just be fun. It's fun, it's fun
to watch, and I think you'd be great at it.
Thank you, Carolina. You're a pleasure, and so are you guys.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
You guys are even more likable talking to you, like,
not in person, but you know virtually than I could
have even imagined.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
So do you watch the show at all anymore?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Because I would love to have you co host if
we ever need a substitute.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, let me know.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Okay, cool, because you're so fun and honest.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Oh my oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Yeah, I'll take a break. I'll just like I won't
I will not show up. I will not be here.
You you two can go on and on and on
about whatever you want to talk.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Already distracted conversation where we relate everything back to Joe.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, I literally started talking to I'm like, where was
I going this? And I'm just hoping I find it again?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
So well, that makes two of us.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, Ben's probably biggest faux pas about doing a podcast
with me.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Yeah, you just kind of get used to it after
you Carolina, It's been great. Hopefully you come back soon.
Until next time, I've been Ben, Thank.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
You, I've been Ashley. Bye.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
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