Almost Famous In Depth: Dr. Joe Park

Ben and Ashley go IN DEPTH with fan favorite Dr. Joe Park! He clears the air about the rumors that he’s going to Paradise and you won’t believe the last time he went on an ACTUAL date.

We hear about his friendship with Bennett and why Kelley Flanagan might come between them in Paradise. 

Plus, Joe lets us in on his strong relationship with his parents and how their marriage shaped his search for love.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.
It is the off season for the Almost Famous podcast
and one of Ashley and I. That's that's wrong, right,
We're gonna yield that. Actually. Yeah. One of Ashley and
My favorite things to do is to sit down in
the off season and talk to some of Bachelor Nation's
favorites about them as people, their lives, what they're learning,

(00:23):
what they're experiencing, what their future is. This is an
in depth episode with Dr Joe Park and we cannot
be more pumped for. Actually, you've been waiting for this
one for a while. What are you feeling. Oh, I'm
very excited. I'm just so excited to have an in
depth and especially with such a fan favorite from the
past season or two. And Joe was just announced as

(00:44):
like the first contestant to be going to Paradise I
believe confirmed because Rob Mills did tweet that out a
couple of weeks ago. So we'll talk to him about that,
and then at the end of this episode we'll have headlines.
Let's do it. Hey, uh, Ashley, let's bring him in.
Dr Joe. What's going on, buddy? Hey, what's up? Guys?

(01:05):
Not much, just you're just living it. That's the way
to do, just living in al right, old Joe. So
with these many in depths or in depth, whatever you
want to call it, we really start with the beginning
of somebody's life, you know, their childhood. So can you
tell us about your your nuclear family, what your childhood
was like, how many siblings you have, how how happy

(01:28):
even marriage did your parents have? All that? Yeah, dude,
I'm into it. Yeah for sure. So it was a
dark and stormy night. It was Mark study one. M Mar.
Your birthday, isn't you? Yeah, it's coming. Thank you so much,
Thank you so much. UM. But now these birthdays are
not occasionally for now, I kind of avoid them at

(01:50):
this point of my life. So but thank you. Thirty seven. Huh,
I don't remind me, but but yeah. So I grew
up on the island. I'm one of five kids. UM.
My parents have been happily married since UM and they
still go for walks. They still send me pictures of

(02:10):
them just going on a little like hikes and adventures
walking the dog. Um. I'm the second of five children. UM.
I've unfortunately we all live in New York, so we
see each other not infrequently. Which is such a blessing. Um, yeah,
it's it's beautiful. Um. A lot of cousins and nieces

(02:31):
and nephews running around or like second cousins. Actually have
one nephew, official nephew, but you know, my cousins have kids.
I think they're second cousins, So a lot of them
running around. Um. And spend most of my life on
Long Island, aside from school in d C for four
years and worked there for two years. And I traveled
a bit, you know before med school for like six

(02:52):
months around southral America, kind of coming around such America
a little bit. Beside that, I've mostly been in New
York pursuing this whole medicine thing, which tends to take
up a fair amount of time. Um. And yeah that's
kind of like the really like nuts and bolts of it.
What part of Central America? UM my trip um premed

(03:15):
school was I did? I did all other countries um
in Socil America, mostly staged in Nicaragua, but really traveled
through all of them, just looking for different sort of
spots throughout. So it was a beautiful trip. And I
mean pretty much back every year since then, minus past
or obviously I spent two months of my life every

(03:35):
year in Honduras, So get out of here. No, yeah,
so two months every year for last like ten years,
I spend in Honduras and San Pedrosula like Elfred Gresso area.
So I know all about Central America. We got to
talk about it. There's a lot we could do down
there together. Oh dude, it's amazing down there. I love it.
On Instagram, I was seeing all your intense surfer photos.

(03:57):
How did the kid from Long Island get to be
so good on the way times? You know, Actually, there's
a big surf scene in Long Island. I grew up
right next to a town called Long Beach, New York,
not to Long Beach, California. Um. Actually a lot of
great surface come out of there, and one of the biggest,
best big wave surfaces both student um is from Long Beach, California,

(04:17):
I mean a Long Beach, New York. UM. So starts
surfing UM a little bit on Long Island and then
you know, as the years run by, visit California. Was
there for like a month and surfed there and then
since then just been surfing island in Central America. I've
served in like Vancouver, I've done Ecuador, so I've been

(04:38):
traveling a lot for surfing here in their bolly beautiful.
It was a beautiful trip. So um so yeah, it's
it's possible. Man. When this hurricanees run through come through,
it's like it's terrible for most people, but surfers are like, wait,
hurricane like, so it's yeah, it's kind of a kind
of weird. Yeah, but yeah. Well, one of the things

(04:59):
is we're talking about your child, Althood, and I think
we're going to get to it. Uh, here's a good
time for it. You on the show and after the show, right,
The show is always something and it can portray people
all sorts of ways, but it's it's usually fairly accurate.
But one of the things that always stood out to
us was you always had a smile on your face. Uh,
you're always like a level headed kind of like a

(05:20):
connector like if that makes sense, like that you could
tell it you didn't want to add anything any drama
more to the scene than there already was. Where does
that come from? Because even after the show, like watching
on social media and and hearing about you through friends,
like where where where does that spirit and that desire
to just connect and love on people welcome from you know,

(05:41):
that's a good question. I don't know where it comes from.
Per se. I will say I've got amazing parents. I
mean that, like my mom is like the kindest, sweetest,
like most caring and devision. I could just regale you
with stories that I've heard just being like just like
underworldly kind. Um, my dad has always been a very social,

(06:02):
very like um, he's been a connector in his life,
like politically, and I think it comes from there. And
I think just being an empathetic human being goes so
so far in life, and I think it would help
in any situation, including the situations that are facing our
society now. Um, we're all just trying to do the

(06:24):
best we can. I think once you realize that, it's
like nobody's nobody wants to be bad. Everyone just thinks,
you know, everyone's thinking they're doing the right thing or
there trying to like be good. They just their message
is misconstrued or um, you don't know how to convey it.
You know, they can't conveyed in the way they want

(06:45):
to convey it, and they get scared the message scarveled.
But nobody, I don't think anyone thinks I'm gonna be
a jerk and I'm gonna show the world I'm a jerk,
and not just knowing that like nobody thinks that, and
just just starting from there, I think you could just
be like, hey, like that sounded really wrong when I
came across kind of aggressive, but like what do you

(07:06):
mean by that? Like you like just go and you know,
just like developed that further, like you know, like unpack
that and and some what you really mean because I
know it's not exactly what it sounds like. I love
that shown back Um with your with your parents, did
they have any influence on you wanting to be a doctor?

(07:27):
Did you have that kind of drive naturally or do
you think that was something your parents instilled in you? Um,
So my parents were like my dad came here, you know,
Donna dream both of them literally pedaled in Chinatown for years,
um and then eventually got enough to open a shop
and it was sold like clothes for a period of time.
And then now they opened up like again, still just

(07:50):
have a store that stills uniforms, so super humble, super
blue collar. Um, start from the bottom. And yes they
were immigrants, yet they came to the US in the
late seventies and moms really from where what were they
what city really living in? They came from South Korea, UM,

(08:12):
and they my dadsh like a very small fishing village
on the coast of South on the east coast, South Korea.
And my mom is from around Salt and they both
came in like the early eighties, UM, and I think
had late seventies and again just like literally just sold
trinkets like on the street, you know, and like literally

(08:36):
just had a table and so little American flags a
little like really the American dream. And they started from
there and then from there. It's just their work ethic
I think wasn't still stilled in us at a very
young age. And I think all of all five of us,
all five of their kids kids, like obviously we love
them and we appreciate them, and we know how hard

(08:57):
they worked, and we I mean, yeah, so I think
you can't help, you know, being surrounded by that for
however many years, for eight at least eighteen years and
then more they're after, you can't help but be influenced
and have that be kind of infused into you. UM.
And I just feel lucky that I was born into
such a beautiful family and awesome parents. Oh that's so sweet.

(09:20):
I love that story. Yeah, so how do we real quick?
A little often I'm intrigued, how did they meet? I
was gonna ask you, you know, that's a good question
and not completely unrelated like to the Bachelor. They met
in the US, and they were like taking a couple
of classes at Hunter and neither of them can them graduate.

(09:41):
I mean, they were taking classes at Hunter College, New
York City, and they're just taking a couple of classes
just like as survey courses, you know, just see getting
their feet wet in the American education system. And they
met in class, and six months later, my dad proposed
and my mom had actually kind of been seeing somebody

(10:03):
at the time, and this person I think I had
gone away to Korea for for a bit and it
came back. It's like, what, like what for just like
for a couple of months, and this is what happened,
you know. And and oddly, and it's like a trend
of my family. My younger brother was married with and

(10:24):
we're happily married for a few years, for like nine years,
and um Melian nephews from my younger brother, they got
engaged Jeff nine months and my older brother got married
last year and he got an engage after like seven
eight months of dating. I think so like moving fast,
like when you know you in my family like you know,

(10:46):
and that's kind of one of the reasons why I
was like the Bachelor, Bachelor, it might be right about
my alley, like once you like see it and you
like it, like maybe that's it all takes like in
your inn and you just know so, um one, you
are well suited for this. That's awesome to hear, especially
since we know that you're headed to paradise. Will get
there later. I want to talk about, Okay, this little

(11:09):
stat that I've kind of come up with, and I
really do need to do like a little bit more
numerical research on it. I've mentioned this a couple of
times on the podcast. It seems that when it comes
down to the final four, at least sev of the
final four and about of the top ten on The
Bachelor and Bachelorette happen to have parents who are still married,

(11:31):
which obviously defeats the national odds. So do you feel
like your parents marriage and how happy it was was
one of the reasons that, like you feel like you're
a hopeless romantic type that was drawn to the show.
That's a good question, you know, I would say in
part again rebscribe, they're kind of a whirlwind. The kind

(11:51):
of marriage, like meeting of the marriage definitely was part
of it. And also, yeah, I think when you come
from a place where you see of and you you
kind of have that example of growing up and you
see it throughout it somewhere it's not always like unicorns
and rainbows. You see arguments here and there. They weren't like,
you know, devoid of that, but the vast majority it

(12:12):
was like love and again, just like spending time on
with each other. And I think when you have that
structure in place, I think when you you can recognize
like well you can just see it and you see
it in yourself. You see the comfort you have with
somebody you see um how much let's say this, it's

(12:36):
like when you're doing direct with somebody, you kind of
I think based on the interactions you see um where
I see with my parents, it's like there's a level
of comfort, level of understanding that I always see with
my parents. And I think that's something I look for
as well. I think we all look for it, and
I think when you see it a lot, you can

(12:56):
recognize it when you have it with somebody else, and um,
it's rare, You're wrong. It's not easy to find, but
when you when you find it, it's it's special. And
I think having that being around all the time, you
can recognize it when you find it when you find it.
So I would say for that every reason, I think
maybe it's the same way for all these final fours.

(13:18):
Um that they also they are open to it and
they're like, I'll know it when I find it, and
if I've found it in this person, then I'll pursue
it and see what happens. I apologize if I missed
this or or forgot about it from the show. But
have you have you been in love before? Like have
you dated had serious relationships leading up to the show. Um, Yeah, definitely.

(13:41):
I've had had a three year relationship and she was
a great girl and I still, you know, have very
fun memories and nothing but good feelings towards her. I've
had a number of like one to two year relationships
with part of that. Um, so general, I'm pretty much
a serial monogamous ah in my life. That's what I've

(14:05):
been in my life, and again it was that's another
reason why I was like, let me try this thing,
because you know, I'm ready. I'm ready for that that
next step. Obviously, the worst thing would be to force
it and to rush into it and and take that
step of somebody who may not be right for you.
And so I'm still waiting to find that person. Obviously,

(14:29):
I'm still like not gonna just take that leap. Um.
I want to know that it's the right step and
there and and we're the right right for each other.
But I've definitely had a lot of love and I'm
I'm grateful for that as well, because it is kind
of weird, but I kind of think we're all worthy
of love. On one hand, can I curse on this show?

(14:51):
Is that this well kind of like we're all kind
of assholes too on the inside, you know what I mean,
Like we're all kind of like like we're all not
great human beings. We're all like selfish ish also, so
we're both like dogs, especially get men, but we're also
observing a love. I think there's this dichotomy where it's

(15:13):
like you gotta like when you're first meeting somebody and
first like you know, courting somebody and like, oh, this
is why I'm the man, and then afterwards like later
you're like man, But I hope they accept me for
the piece of craft that I really am. And it's
not really like if I'm going extremes to like, I
hope they can set me for all my faults and
all my like insecurities and everything after. So this is
weird like interplay between like this uber confidence and this

(15:35):
like real like you know, at least for me it is.
But I think a lot of the guys that's my
friend to speak is the same thing. So we totally understand.
I've said multiple times on this show that like I
find it annoying when people are like I deserve love,
Like I can't believe I was cut. I deserve love.
It's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure very few people out there, horrible,
horrible people may not deserve love, but like pretty sure

(15:57):
everybody on the Bachelor deserves love. It's uh, I will
tell you this, Joe, um dr Joe. If you find
love on this television show, that's that that that the mission.
If you find love in this experience, I think the
internet would break. I don't know of one cast member

(16:20):
in the last year to two years that will be
coming on the Paradise that would be more cheered for
than you. You like grasp the hearts of people in
a way. That's like, let's if if you've happen to
have your love story play out and we can watch it,
people are gonna freak out now, no pressure, But I'm
gonna be one of those people. I'm gonna be at

(16:40):
my home tears in my eyes, cheering for you. Uh,
and just the whole experience in general. Hey, let's say
a break here. When we come back, we're gonna dig
in a little bit more to Joe's life, his experience
coming up that's gonna be on Bachelor and Paris. Let's
get him to confirm that first. We have had it tweeted,
but let's get Joe to confirm it, and also talk
about what's going on in uh in the Asian community

(17:03):
when it comes to Asian Hey, hey, we'll be back
for the Almost Famous podcast. We're back with doctor Joe Park.
Dr Joe, when did you decide that you wanted to

(17:23):
be a doctor? WHOA That's a good question. Um, I
kind of always thought like if you looked at my
like fifth grade, what do you want to do when
you grow up? It was pediatrician. So I've kind of
always wanted to be a doctor. Um, it just took
a little bit longer. You know, I've worked for four
years before med school. Um, I wasn't sure I wanted

(17:45):
to do it, but I was sure I was ready
to commit to it. But I'm super glad that I
had that time because it really helped me creates kind
of like a philosophy as to I mean, I was
trying to hammer down why I wanted to be a doctor,
and I really I felt like during those four years

(18:07):
I was able to form a good rationalist to why.
I like, that's something I want to pursue for the
rest of my life. And so, um, I'm grateful for
that time as well to kind of develop as a
human before, like being around humans in their time of need,
their their their their most dire and um, some of

(18:29):
their hardest side of their lives. And I think it
takes should have my own opinions, some life experience, and
some level of obviously empathy and understanding of people before
you jump into that. So yeah, I was happy that
I had that time. I feel like people must tell
you all the time you must get the best reviews
on your bedside manner? Is this true? I get decent

(18:52):
reviews on the bedside of manner. Yeah. But I think
it's just like I love people, you know I, and
I just think it's such a privilege to be with
them at their in their moment of need. Like today,
I actually had a five year old girl who need
that connected me and I was I was leaving somebody

(19:14):
who was on overnight and she's in the room. She's
just rolled into the room and with this weird shift
change where I didn't get to meet her before, and
she's just laying there cry like like this really sad
because she's out her parents and this cold operating, and
I just wanted like, hey, like hey, you're gonna be fine,
like don't worry, like you're just gonna take a nap.
I wish I was taking an episode of you. Oh
my gosh, you're gonna be you gonna do great, And um,

(19:36):
I showed her all the stuff like this is just
a light we're gonna put on your finger, you know,
it's just like no nothing sharp. It's literally just a
light here that here, that beating that's your heart, you know,
like just listen to it for se pretty cool. And
so it's just like, you know, yeah, again it's a
privilege to be with this person. And then you know,
just to like because yeah, I mean, it's it's such

(19:58):
a crazy field's medicine is so crazy to see people
so sick and you know, honestly even see inside their bodies.
It's just an intimate relationship you have with people. And
again it's it's not to be taken lightly. So um,
I love it. It's super interesting too, and I love it.
So after that, I just have to ask if they
put you on a lot of pediatric cases, I have

(20:21):
to like, I get very interested in this medical stuff.
I've talked plenty of times. My dad is an antes
c C. I'll just like you yeah, yeah, And I
just I'm having this thirty three year old crisis that
I wish that I became a dermatologist. I'm like, oh God,
is it too late to go back to the school.
It is because I didn't do pre med. Look, if

(20:42):
I could just jump into it, I may do it.
But I have I'd have like fifteen years of school.
It actually is probably too late for me. But do that.
Do they put you on a lot of piatric cases
because that was just the sweetest story just shared. Um, yeah,
I don't look for them. Sometimes they just kind of
fall into your lap. And so mile of kids and
again another life I would probably a patrician um. But

(21:05):
but yeah, I mean have to take care of young,
old and everything in between. Seriously, whatever it comes my
way and I've been to see and take care of.
I have a couple of buddies are in enthusiologist. What
is your source of entertainment during surgery? Because I know
that you sometimes you have these long surgeries. You your
job isn't done, but it's kind of set up. What

(21:27):
is your what do you do why the surgery is
going on? Um? Not so really good's there's a lot.
I mean it's kind of be weird. But like you
always have to be aware of the monitors obviously because
those monitors represent the patient's life. Um. But sometimes with
the stress, I have a stretch routine. Actually I do
like a fifteen minute stressing stretching routine where I'm like
I'm looking at the monitors, I'm listening to the monitors,

(21:48):
but I'm still like doing some arms, like doing hip.
So like I'll start and like now the surgeons know like, oh,
it's just show doing it. They're not like what the
hell it like because that will see me like squatted
the ground, like what the hell is this guy doing?
But you know I'm staring at the monitor just like
for like in a weird low lunch and and yeah,
so do that. Um, sometimes I like the like, um,

(22:11):
Spanish flash I'm gonna span. I don't pick up Spanish
during the quarantine, so like like you know, flash card
here and there, like once you know, once in a
while to look at a flash card here and there. Um,
I'll look at the surgery. There's so many different surgery
surgeries and everything is always changing and so that's the
mean thing about medicine, and there's always something new, there's

(22:31):
always something to learn. So a lot of times I'm
just staring at the surgery, just looking at the mondity
like it's really interesting, like so what are you exactly
you're doing here? So I'm I'm not saying I could
perform it happen back to me, but I think it
talks someone through it pretty well better than like surgery resident,
I would say, but than a first year for sure.
So yeah, I mean there's so much to go in

(22:51):
such a dynamic environment. Um, there's always something to be doing.
So so after you took your four years in between
college and med school, where did you end up going
to med school? I went to stony Brook School Medicine
out in Stonybrook, Loan. But I think now it's called Renaissance.
But but yeah, it sound stony Brook' awesome place. Um

(23:14):
it was there aren't that many. I mean, so as
the further east you go a long on, the less sparse,
the more sparse it is the start of population. So
Stonybrook was the pre eminent hospital UM in Suffolk County,
and so um, we saw a lot of interesting cases.
We saw a lot of um intense surgeries. And uh

(23:36):
again I met some of my best friends in med school.
So um again, I love my time at school. And
and to your point, actually, like um, one you've got
great skincer. Dermatology would be perfect for you. And to um,
I think I love the ride and and I mean,
like I know it's it's partably tongue in chief. They're saying,

(23:57):
you know, you want to be dermatologist, but the ride
is good, you know, like med school is a lot
of work, but like if you're doing what you really
want to do and you're around people who are just
so motivated and so smart, you're like you can't help,
but all like I feel like you're part of a

(24:17):
special group. And again it's such a privilege once you
start doing clinical rotations and seeing like like when other
med school, I remember, I was I didn finance before,
and I was like, used to go to these meetings
and we're talking about like growth and growth. I didn't
say find I did economic I did consulting. So it
was like before, yeah, yeah, so would you study in college?

(24:41):
International affairs in college actually so very secutive, Like yeah,
it's kind of like a little jack of all trades,
but it's an international affairs in college. Then I did
healthcare consulting in DC for two years, and then, um,
I didn't I did Can's. I didn't research neual On
College of Research, Cattery, New York for two years. Um.

(25:02):
But during that time doing consulting, I'll go to these
meetings and the meetings would all be would always be
about like how to increase revenue, how to productivity, you know,
normal things that compan me you have to worry about
And then I went to med school and my meetings
were like how the human body works, and like how
drugs affected human body, and like um advances and cancer therapies,

(25:23):
and I'm like, this is like what I have to do.
Like just the juxta position of the two was so
it was so different and and and and obviously so
much more interesting and importance, you know, in med school
then uh, in the in my role as a consultant,
so kind of like reinforced. I'm like, man, I'm in

(25:43):
the right place. And if I have to spend you know,
like a night instead of answering emails and working on
a spreadsheet, if I have to study anatomy and figure
out the four chambers of the heart and how like
the Thebesian veins work, like that is so much more interesting.
Then again, like any of these Excel spreadsheets and everybody

(26:04):
would find interesting. I mean, not everyone wants been that time,
but like I mean, I know, to figure it, to
know how your heart works, I mean, you don't even
think about it, but it's beating eighty times a minute,
every minute, twenty hours a day, Sundays a week, for
hopefully ninety years of your life. You think about it, right,
And it's such a beautiful thing to know how we
all work, you know, and it's um again, it's it's

(26:26):
I loved it. And if you if you're really thinking
about it, I say you go for it seriously thinking
about sometimes going into like a physician's assistant thing. So
it's not one um full school you know to that degree,
but um, you know, like still being able to write
prescriptions and like understand the human body on a very

(26:46):
deep level. Yeah, yeah, I say prescriptions. Is that that's
why I want. I think the weirdest thing I could say.
I just mean, like like you know, you're just a
step below doctor. Yeah, I know you to care of people,
which is the most important thing. You understand the human
body and need to take care of people with that knowledge,
and that's that's what this is all about. Well, speaking
of taking care of people. Uh. You know, we we

(27:10):
love having people on this podcast, especially in depth, because
we can dive into some stuff that really matters in
this world. Not that the Bachelor doesn't, but it doesn't
make the world go around. Uh. And it one of
the things that are coming up recently, um is uh
all the stories of Asian hate existing Uh, really around

(27:31):
the globe, but you know, focused here in the US
because that's where we're living and that's where we're functioning. Uh.
To kind of dive into this conversation if you don't
mind just sharing your story kind of what you're processing
through this, what you're learning and hearing, and then I mean,
actually I would love to dig into this with you
a little bit. Sure. I mean, this past year has

(27:52):
been I think a difficult time for everybody, literally everybody.
The pandemic has difficult for like the six point seven
bill people would live on this planet. UM in the US,
you know obviously going BLM, which you know, really gained
further last June July UM and continues you know, UM

(28:16):
to have that energy behind it. And yeah, recently, we're
not recently, but it's kind of been shown recently or
people are getting more aware of the hate and violence
that Asians are to have been experiencing in the past
here as well. And it kind of took a little
bit of time for the numbers to come out, but

(28:37):
recently numbers came out that there's been there was a
hundred increase in violence UM direct and hate directed to
part Asian Americans and so you know, personally, it's such
a weird dynamic because here I am right like me,

(28:58):
Joe Asian American, Korea American UM parents are again came
from Korea, and I'm on UM. I have this platform
with you guys, and thank you so much for having
me and letting me talk about this seriously. But here
I am talking to you guys about this on this podcast.
I was on UM Reality Television showing a major American

(29:21):
UH network. UM. We have our first Asian American Vice President. UM.
We have Poem Junho who won Best Director, Parris Site
won Best Film last year Academy Awards, Chloe's al One,
UM the Golden World for Best Director for nomad Land
with Stevin Young, who's UH nominated for Best Actors Academy Awards. So,

(29:43):
on one hand, there's been so much progress and this
is the maybe the best that's ever been in so
far from you know, Mickey Rooney's portrayal of Mr Indyoshi
and Brexit tiffanies. At the same time, I know that
I see these stats increase in and hating violence to

(30:04):
Asian Americans in I see videos of people Asian men, women,
elderly people who look up who look like my mom
and my dad getting attacked on a on a subway.
I see young Asian Americans getting punched in the face unprovoked.

(30:24):
And it's this stark contrast that's really hard. It's hard
to get you wrap your head around. You know, it
is both is both the best of times and the
worst of the times, and in so many ways. And um,
it's definitely something that we're all coming to grips with,
especially after this the shootings in the suburbs around Atlanta

(30:45):
where again eight people diet, six of whom were Asian
American women. So it's definitely something that is becoming more
recognized and more people aware of it. Here we are
talking about it, and I think that's that's that's that's
how you move forward. You know, It's not something that
we see and we experience and we hear about and

(31:07):
we don't talk about, like when there's a problem in
a relationship or between anybody between your coworkers, between your
you know, your your parents, between your your your love,
your love and your loved one, your your partner, Yeah,
talk about it. And and here we are talking about it.
And again that's that's the first step for sure. One

(31:28):
of the things. I mean, you just said it, but
it's the best of times and the worst times, which
is a word that is now getting used a lot more,
but it's a word that I think really encapulates this
whole time. It's disorienting, right, Like, how do you because
it's the best times and the worst times, how do
you process as an Asian Asian American the disorientation within

(31:48):
it all and to see the future, like the what
could become of the future. So I think again, it's uh,
there have been so many groups in American history, UM
that have suffered, and I think with Asians especially, we

(32:13):
are we are considered a model minority. We are considered
UM a group that somehow has become has been a
special stizs they're doing fine, when in reality, well, in
relative proportion lates New York City, there's a greater percentage
of Asian Americans or Asians who are impoverished at any
other race. Asians living in like tenements in Chinatown. It's

(32:36):
just not talked about because the people in main street
society you see, are the doctors, are the finance people,
are the lawyers. UM. I just think that recognition of
that is the first step, and again, I love that
we can have this conversation again, even within the hate
best of times worse times. Now more people haven't heard
about Vincent Chin, about the murder of an Asian American

(32:59):
man Ninette two for nothing. For another reason, aside from
the colors cham, more people are becoming or reacclimating themselves
with Japanese internment camps, Japanese determent camps during World War
Two where American citizens were forcibly removed from their homes,
the Predi determent camps in the United States in the
nineteen forties. We're learning about French Cormazi during that same era,

(33:24):
and so there's a lot that people are being exposed to,
and again these conversations are what's going to help. Again.
First is like that knowledge that oh, shoot, I didn't
even know about that. I didn't know. You know, China
inclusion active too, I've never heard of that before. Maybe

(33:44):
you hear about that, and if with mempathetic herd, you know,
in a curious mind a little bit of both, you
learn more about it and you understand the struggles of
people you know who you can't obviously put into one
you know, single like there's no monolithic Asian culture. You know,
we are all individuals, and I think knowing the struggle

(34:07):
that a group has has already been doing and then
they continues to go through, especially in the past year
and currently, helps appreciate maybe a little bit like man,
you know, just straight up, it was a lot of
my life would have been a lot easier if I
was white, if I had the exact same stats, if
I had the exact same grades, if I was exact

(34:27):
same everything except for the pigment of my skin, I
might be in a better place right now. And if
someone had darker or their eyes are a little smaller,
maybe I might be in a word like that, those
people might be the worst place for no other reason,
but that I think just recognizing that is would take
us so far. I think that's kind of how I'm pressed.

(34:49):
I think it's a terrible thing that's happening, obviously to
people who look like me, but also great that people
are talking about. What do you think the correlation is
between the rise evasion hate this year and the current virus?
Do you believe that there is? I mean, without question,
the rhetoric of the past administration UM has did a

(35:12):
lot of damage to um or helped stoke the flames
that you know, it didn't cause it. You can't say
it was the reason why people had anytime there's a
bad there's something negative in anyone's life, especially on a
big scale. We all it's human nature to want to
blame something or something. That's just human nature. And knowing

(35:36):
where this, you know, this virus originated from, I think
it's easy to say, you know, okay, well it's because
of these people. Even though these people, anyone who's been attacked,
I would bet any amount of money, they have zero
connection to this middle size city, you know, on the

(35:57):
other side of the globe. Like the idea that you know,
Noel Quintana who got slashed from the year to year
on a yr Stay subway, has any relation to Wuhan,
China is It's insane And I think that's unfortunately, two

(36:18):
people who want to blame have you know, give blame
to something, to someone. People are angry with the situation
and who which a lot of people are, and and
and and and understandably so, and they wanted to blame.
It's a natural human reaction to want to blame someone.
And unfortunately that blame has been put on people who

(36:41):
look like me, you know, Asian Americans. Um, and I
think it's the same as Like, it's like, what if
instead of Asian Americans, all of a sudden we knew
it came from people's freckles, and everyone's freckles. People were
punching the face on the street randomly. We're saying like

(37:02):
the nastiest things too, or being literally like with a
box cutter, sliced, like, because it's freckles, it's the same thing. Well,
what is it his lives? What if it's people with
his lives spread the disease? Now everyone is like attacking
people with his lives, Like, I think that would help
Americans of all colors and all of you know, from

(37:23):
all backgrounds. I understand how arbitrary it is to attack
any Asian American you know, and or through any like
hateful words towards them and hate towards them because of
a random happenstance of genetics and mutations and animal transmissions

(37:43):
that happened again, completely randomly, in this random city in China.
There's a long history of viruses being named after the
place of origin, you know, Um, West Nile, Spanish flu.
Do you feel like this is a pattern that needs
to stop for this reason that we're seeing. Um, thankfully,

(38:05):
you know, the coronavirus is just a class of virus.
But I think more I think it's okay to understand
origins of things. I think it's it's wrong to know,
you know, how things came about, um, the reasons they
came about anti scedens. I think it's important to understand
these things, but I think it's to the next level

(38:27):
is to educate all you know, ourselves and knowing that
like because it comes from China. You know a city
in China, you know, one city, that capital you know,
like that capitulates one seven billion people who live there,
you know, and there's no relation. You know, that city
is relationship probably to the rest of the country and

(38:48):
that and nobody in the United States has any relations
to that little city in that big country. You know.
Like it's so I think it just takes another level
where it's like just because named after something, I mean,
it's the fault of the people there. You know that
it exists. You know, that is a fact of globalization,
you know of yeah, just the reality of the times're

(39:09):
living in. I mean, there's you go on and on
about why pandemics occur. And I think we're almost lucky
that it hadn't happened earlier. You know, you could have
happened in China, but it could easily come out of
you know, Europe, you know, And I think, again it
doesn't matter. But it's like the first cases of the

(39:29):
coronavirus spread from Asia, from Asia to Europe and then
to the United States. So but again it doesn't matter,
you know, like we're all sharing this burden together, and
pandemics happen. It sounds crazy, but they happen. And hopefully
it won't happen again in our lifetimes, but it's going

(39:50):
to happen again. It's not the fault of the place
of origin that it happens, like, it's just a fault
of biology and and in human globalization and interaction with
different spieces of antal sayment. That's just a different conversation
the thing that this is bringing up. And and I

(40:10):
really would love to hear your perspective on it. And so,
you know, has been an interesting year, right because as
you said, there's a burden that we're all universally caring, caring,
but in the midst of that we've had, uh, some
some movements come up, some knowledge that have been brought
to the attention of especially the American people, to say

(40:32):
there's some injustice going on in the world. These things
have been happening for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Now
now it's now it's in front of us, and it's
almost like it feels like almost time. Okay, what's the
decision gonna make? Are you going to choose to start
trying to heal and to help or to hurt more
and to change your redoric to be even more hurtful. Okay?

(40:54):
So what I'm getting at is, how do we, now,
in the midst of knowing there's so much injustice that
is around us every day, how do we get in
front of it as people so that it doesn't happen
to have have to have a increase in violence, and
it doesn't have to have the death of people of
color at the hands of others for us to finally
take notice. So in your life right now, because you're

(41:16):
a smart dude, oh, I know, I can learn a
lot from How are you now paying attention and staying
curious to what other injustices are happening around us? So
that it doesn't take this again. Um, that's a really
really good question. Um. I think all of us, myself included,

(41:38):
I think we all have preconceived notions. And that's again,
that's the human condition to have that, that's part of
how we just you know, this is how we operate.
But just to know, I think one as far as
hate goes person all, I think it's empathy and just
knowing kind of what I've been saying kind of already,
like it's on a broken record, but knowing that person

(41:58):
in front of you, whoever, whatever color, whatever you know, race,
whatever relations, wherever they're from, whatever gender like you, you
may not know who they are, but what you do
know what you probably do know. You don't know where
they're from. You know, you don't know how they grew up,
You don't know the struggles they went through. But what

(42:19):
you probably do know they want the same things that
you want out of the life. They want to be loved,
they want to be heard, they want to feel appreciated.
They have family that they care about or friends that
they really care about and wanted to be safe. Um.
They want their needs Metum, And so knowing that, again,

(42:42):
like how much we all are the same. I think
it's that is the first step. Like you know that
Nigerian immigrants. I don't know him or her at all,
but I do know you know his namber as a child.
I know how the struggle. We're not here an accident.

(43:03):
I don't think like, oh man, what are you doing?
I think man, like it took you that much. You
know another language fluently, but it took you that much
just to learn the language. How many Americans know two language?
You know, like it's a falter of America. But like
even actually I'm like good for you man, or or
a girl like you know, like thank you for putting
in that effort to like meet me at my level.

(43:26):
And I think, just again, keeping having that empathy, which
is kind of a function that makes us human. Having
an empathy is like such is like that first step
and just pausing and all, like whatever you can seem
to hate or negative you have towards somebody or some group,
just think for a second, like what don't you know

(43:50):
about that? Like what do you really know about that
person on the street? What do you really know about
that person? Or that person the next year, or that
person on the subway or that person like you know anywhere,
and like how much again as a human being, do
you think you can relate with? You know, like I
just think there's so much more we all have in common.
I think once you realize that, like we'd all be good,

(44:12):
you know, Asian, black, like whatever you are, wherever you are.
I think that's the thing that binds us alid, you know,
like we're all we're all doing the best we can,
Like I said, to start this thing, and and that's
where it starts. You know, no one, everyone's just trying
the best. You're the best joke part. You're awesome, I
will see. On a societal level though, I do think,

(44:32):
like again, um, do you think representation in the government
and government and in social media? Like there's also populations
to get a little more in like Middle America. Who's
never met an Asian person the matter men never met
a Jewish person, Maybe they don't never met a black
person before, and so that's when like social media media matters.
That's why I like Black Panther was such a breakthrough.

(44:56):
Right to have a predominantly African American ca asked as
like heroes and someone on your poet, like on your
wall you have black you know, Black Panther, and why
I'm still happy about the strides that Asian American cinematographers
made because there's this push pull between like norms and
ideas of society and social media and not social media,
but and media, mass media and sometimes a lot of

(45:21):
times and I think unfortunately Bachelor is just again reflective
of society, but there's sometimes where like again hopefully with this,
I think right now, this this this Asian and Asian
American renaissance in movies, it's like there's this pull that's
like yo, like there's some really good actors and great filmmakers,
and it makes me think like they're not just the

(45:45):
karate the guy who knows karate or the computer for
the or the dorkey dude, you know, like there are
levels to this, as there are any everybody. Anyway, Well,
you were one of the few Asian men on The Bachelorette.
Why do you think there's been so few? Do you
think it's for lack of applicants or just casting choices

(46:07):
that that is such a fair question. I really think
it's probably more the former. I mean to be on
this show. I talked talked about this when I was there.
There there's so many like and you guys both know
there there's so many like things you have to go
the filters you have to go through. You need a
certainly like you need to have a certain amount of
time off. First of all, to be able to go

(46:28):
on the show. You need to be a certain like
age range. You need to um honestly probably have a
certain look like you know, and physique, Um, you have
to go through some other like health related tests they
have to go through. So to still all of that
down and also to know, um, in the audience it

(46:53):
attracts and who watched the democratic, the people who watched
show where fans this show? I really think, like I
wonder how many Asian people apply to be on the show.
I don't. I would imagine very very few, And so
in fairness to the franchise, I kind of think it's
it's it's a bit of both, you know, Like, I
don't know how many people Asians could fit all these filters.

(47:17):
It would be tough. It's a fair question. Excuse me
for not being able to ward this as eloquently as
I would like. I feel like the Asian community has
certain values that perhaps don't aligne with the franchise. Do
you think that do you think that that could be
why there are fewer of that race that apply. I

(47:40):
think that's that's a fair point, actually, and I thank
you for being even like comfortable up to ask that,
you know, seriously, because that's was worded perfectly. I think
that's fair. I think, you know, as a culture, we're
just told to just say, like, just work hard, like,
don't try to stand out too much, be humble. Um,

(48:02):
being on television in front of like six million people,
like the opposite of like most of the values, especially
of people who are like children of immigrants, you know,
especially immigrants like yo, like you don't make a scene,
just like like let your like the body of your
work speak for itself, you know, get the grades, you know,
excel in the arts and athletics. I mean it, just

(48:25):
like speak excellent. And let that, you know, show anyone
who wants to see it, or any I think you
apply to let that be evidence of your of who
you are, not like go on a TV show and
like show the world, you know, like how brave or
how stupid you are, how how whatever whatever you want
to say, we are on that show. So I think

(48:47):
that's fair yeah, I think, um, that's probably part of
it too. Like, no, I don't think anybody was, like,
I don't know who. A many people grow up and say,
oh man, I can't wait, I really want to be
on the realized of a show. I think very people
say that, but I think I literally nobody friends growing
up said well, Joe, we appreciate you, um having this

(49:09):
conversation with us. We're gonna take a break here. When
we come back, we have a few more minutes left
with you. We're gonna talk about this rumor that's swirling
around that you are the first conformed, confirmed contestant in
Bachelor and Paris. We're gonna find out that's true or not. Uh.
And then we also have a little game that actually
always loves to play with our guests. Uh. We'll be
back with Dr Joe Park on the Almost Famous podcast.

(49:42):
All right, now for the question our audience has been
waiting for, Joe, are you going to paradise? Like Rob
Mills tweeted, I remember the last time you spoke with
us back in October November, you said that you hoped
to be in a relationship by the time filming rolled around.
So what's up? You know? Sometimes your hopes go un fulfilled,

(50:08):
and that is the case with this whole relationship thing
as well. Um, as far as Paradise, you know, yeah,
I saw the tweet, and I saw a couple of
articles on in a few and like prominent like magazines
doing like a deep dive. Um, So to that, I

(50:29):
would say, I am not confirmed to go to Paradise.
I'm not sure it's my vibe. They didn't get permission
to put that out there. No, well, we're gonna wait
and see about this because, uh, dr Joe, you might
not know it yet, but I think you've already been

(50:49):
signed up for Paradise, so you better start figuring out
how to get that time off. Because the headlines I've
been eating kind of my eSTREAM like four times of
the week. I hope it's not I'm not ready. Just fine.
Uh well, if you if you were going the Paradise, Um,

(51:11):
if your parents like watching the show, like, is this
something that they enjoy doing for me on the Bachelor
at Like? Are they are they pushing it and pumped
for it? My parents are always kind of like nervous.
I don't know if they're ever that excited, but they
I knew they're into it. Um. I think my parents
were similar in the sense they weren't nervous for me,
like this is something you really want to do, Like
what do you want to gain from this? Like what

(51:32):
are you really trying to get out of this? And
I tell them, you know, doing enough for the followers, baby,
like I tell, I tell, I just tell them, like yeah,
it's just a random thing to do, and like, you know,
you only live ones and it's just like again, like
I tell them, like look at your story, look at
you know, James and Miller brothers, or look at my
younger brothers story, like lightning can strike, you know, it

(51:55):
struck a couple of times already in our family. Like
just to say it doesn't you can happen again. And
so I say, like, you know, I'll try not to
embarrass you. I can't make it any promises, Like I
wonder what happened had I lost that we played from
dodgeball in my season, But I wonder what would happened
if I lost, you know, like I thank god I

(52:15):
never had to go. You know, you have to face that.
But I think they just really want to make sure
it's something that I want. And again, if I decided
they support it, and so that's why they're good parents.
That's right. Well, yeah, we'll wait and see. We'll be
fancy here. We'll hopefully have you back on. You've been
a friend of the podcast. Um, you've been on a
few times now. We always appreciate it. So if you

(52:36):
do conform firm or if you don't, uh, you still
manage to us uh and we we do always hope
to be watching you. Now here's a part we're gonna
get into bachelor headlines in just a second with you.
We're gonna speed through those. But before we do, to
close this segment of Dr Joe Park's In Depth episode,
Ashley always has a rapid fire around with our guest

(52:56):
and she is definitely set one up for you. So Ashley,
take it away. Okay, what is your favorite case to
do to do anesthesia on? What's a good question? I like, um,
near replacements is weird, but I'll tell you why. One.
I love taking up elderly patients, like kids and elderly

(53:18):
a like favorite UM, but our elderly patients are like
the most the realist people ever and I love just
the real honest like, hey, how are you doing they're
like that's a great you know, like I'm here in
the hospital, like what do you mean? I just love
their their realness. And with that you actually actually do
a bunch of nerve blocks after the procedure. Is kind
of fun to like do something that's like not just

(53:39):
like treating them and keeping them comfortable, but also something
therapeutic um and helps them with their pain after the
procedure for the next day. And it's a lot of
it's like an anatomy and it's like technical skill and
again all that together is um that's what's part of
like a like a joint like a near replacement. So

(53:59):
and then what the experiences are pretty fun, they're pretty
um it's like a fun group. So I appreciate like
their personalities and stuff too. So they were usually the
jocks in school. Yeah, they're they're definitely no medical like
stereotype is more true at the time. But like when
you see that tall jack dude, you're like, that guy's

(54:21):
not the ex surgeon, Like you just know it, you know,
you just it's it's you can see it from mile away.
So yeah, usually the surgeons picked the music in the
O R. So what are you usually excited to hear
you know that's true, you know in my um, in
in our ours, it's it's more diplomatic. And uh, recently,

(54:44):
I like, yeah, like yesterday we listened to um a
little Lauren Hill unplugged you know, to bring back to
the Bachelor. We all loved. I'm sure like we're all
kind of in the same ageans mis education to Lauren
Hill and um that was seminal record album and she
had a great unplugged album and and uh, I got

(55:09):
off My Piece of Mind and Matt James had on
his like recent like post. I was like, man, I
haven't got song in years, and so that's exactly a question.
But that was the one song I played recently. And
and the Orthopedic Surgeon, I was like, bave and with
it two and He's like, she messes up here and
I was like, oh dude, like again another reason why,
um again I love the door procedures. And yeah, that

(55:34):
was kind of like the most memorable song and some
choist that recent memory awesome. What is your typical night
look like when you get home from work? You know,
normally I get home from work, um a palace of
energy drinks and that I do a podcast. That's pretty
much this is no Normally I'll either I'll play um

(55:57):
a little guitar. Um, I'll uh like Spanish touring online. Um,
I'm gonna wait a couple of adjustable wait in my
my closet over here. So I was like, do you
like to workout? And now the weather is getting great?
I have a couple of goals for like this next year,
and uh, marathon is one of them. So I've been
running a lot and the weather is getting better. So
running a lot. Um, yeah, New York and in the

(56:19):
spring is beautiful. So the more you speak, the more
I wonder, how the hell are you're single? I think
it's that you haven't found somebody worthy of you yet. Um,
what was your last date? When? And what did you do?
M you know it was pretty show. This is like
you haven't you become like the Bachelor? Um? This is

(56:46):
not I'm not even this is not like um podcast
like reality like reality. This is like reality reality, a
sad reality. Yeah it's true. It's it's a weird thing.
And then you guys can relate like and I've been
last time around, You're like, yo, like look at those
d ms. But I did not heat your advice. UM,
I've just been kind of like again trying to hopeing.

(57:08):
I was kind of hoping it happens kind of like naturally,
kind of in the real world kind of. Um, but
during the pandemic is tough. So the last thing I
went on was months before the show. I went on
a hike. This is with the girl and I before
the show contact me. It was like early, like the
pre spring, like right like Perry Spring, right right as

(57:30):
I was trying to spring weather was getting good. Run
on a hike, went on the hike and over Yeah,
probably about a year ago. Yeah, I can look at
my phone with the pictures. It's a beautiful day. And
I've seen this person a few times. And on the
last time I saw her, as you were driving back
to the hike, she was like, I'll probably tell you something.

(57:51):
I was like, yeah, like you know, it was a
great time. I tried out something and she said, um,
I'm married, and I was like, I was like, was like,
I was like and she was not from the US.
I was like, what did you say you were married?
And she's like no, no, no, I said I'm married.
And you could kind of probably imagine how the conversation
was from there. Wow, so only it's only up from there,

(58:16):
you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm s a very
low place. I think from there I could just everything
is yeah. Okay, Well, I think we're going to move
on now to our some of our headlines, and we
would love if you could join us for some of them.
Because your friend Bennett, who you've hang out with a

(58:36):
good amount of time and recently did from was the
top of the rock that you guys did the flying
scene from the Edge the Edge now okay, sorry, they rebranded. Okay,
so you did different side, different different places, different Okay.
It's really cool. You guys pretended to be Jack and
rose Um. But it looks like Bennett wants Kelly to

(59:00):
be his rose. He kind of he kind of put
his he threw a shot out there Um on Instagram
this week saying that she caught his eye. So you
think that there could be some romance there if they
both end up in Paradise. That's a great quick First
of all, I want to give a shout out to

(59:20):
Bennett because before that we went to an API rally
and I told him, hey, I'll meet you there. I'm
going to this rally. Ben, It's like, if you're going,
I'm going, you don't want to support. So he came
to um um an anti Asian hate rally with me beforehand.
So um, obviously I love the man for that, but
we um to that point. You know, Kelly flannag and

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catched a lot of people's eyes in fairness, So see
one of the one of the like one of the
parents of eyes that she has caught. Yeah, I think so,
I absolutely think so. Yeah, she's um, super intelligent, she's
super attractive, Like I think a lot of people are
shooting their shot. He's just very obviously that it. And
he's a confident guy, very good looking, very successful. Why

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wouldn't want to take that shot? Um, I definitely think
there there might be something there on Paradise if if
they're both but they both find themselves there, I would
the chance of sparks is very high. Could there be
some hostility between you and him? For Kelly, if you
guys both ended there, ended up there because it sounded
like you just protr um. I don't know Kelly and

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uh at all. I didn't see that season with Peter
Um actual didn't meet p Peter you're nice play on
a flag football team. Now, so I know Peter, I
don't know Kelly. Um, but but if I but but
but if we meet and if I want to go
on Paradise too, if we meet three, if if we
get along, then um yeah, there might be you know,

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there might be a little attention there. But we'll see.
You know, a lot of a lot of a lot
of it is there. But you know, teach gentlemen. I
feel like we could work it out amicably or we'll
just have to do like a gun dual one or
the other. We'll see. Next headline, Joe, that we love
for you to share insight on is Kathy Low recalls
facing damaging racial slurs and powerful plea to end anti

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Asian violence is according to E News, Joe, when you
hear this and read this, did you experience anything like this? Uh?
And uh? And the story goes on to say this
just so he hasn't back on a very young age
the bachelors, Katherine Low rights in an s A d E.
My sisters and I were called mongrels because my Filipino
mother had children with a Caucasian man. Um, Joe, when

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you hear this headline you read that quote, what do
you think, Um, you know, obviously it's it's hurtful. Um.
And I think all of us, you know, who grew
up honestly, I think everyone who didn't grow up white
in a prominantly white area, and I assume she did

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um or non age area, which is pretty much every
area out to like parts of California. We all, I
think we all experienced some level of of of ye
racism when we grow up, and it's hurtful and unfortunately,
like when we're young, you know, we don't we don't
live our life back where it's like there's some things

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that when we're young and I just attribute a certain age.
But when our hormones are like still like kind of
like forming and our brain is still like so undercooked,
it's still so doughey that it's when it solidifies. Even
though we can rationalize these are just you know, children,
they didn't know any better. Um, and I bet now

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they do still like once that hormonal experience has solidified,
that's still you still feel it. And and I feel
her pain. And again I'm just happy that maybe it
took this moment for to talk about that, and maybe
that's like some Catharsist for her to say, hey, like,
here's my story and now people are willing to listen

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to it in this moment especially and here we were
talking about it again, and so I think it's great
and I and I and I aplaud her for courage
and a brave ready to be able to talk about
this paincil memory nobody. Obviously it's not easy to talk about,
specially in a public form. And so um, I think
a lot of people you know, of every background, who's
not who's any other of any form or relate and

(01:03:23):
hopefully they'll they'll know, hey, like and I was okay,
and it's still hurt that her doesn't go away, but
like you'll be all right to you know, just like
get through it and hope and again times are changing, hopefully,
and so um, I just want to, yeah, just thank
her for it for doing that. The final headline that
we really want to read through with you and here
if you could relate or if you felt this as
well as Sydney uh, let's talk go from Colton season

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said she felt the pressure of the entire Asian race
filming The Bachelor. That's the headline. Ac Corny to US Weekly,
I I didn't really think about it because I didn't
watch the show. I had no idea of the postive
of Asians in on the franchise. M's all. I was
there and like the producers, some of the producers was

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really close with, like to say, hey, just by the way, man, like,
we haven't had people like you on for like, your
story is not the normal story. And I think while
I was there, I kind of started thinking about it
more and I said this on Nick Bills podcast, and um,
I'll say it again. There's just one hand with her names. Tino.

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I love Tino, Tino, I love you man. He was
such a great guy and we would talk late at
night and at times when I was like feeling down
or like I was like, man, like what am I even?
What am I doing here? You guys know that long nights.
I'll just reminded of this Jay Z quote for Mezzo,
which is I do this from my culture and a

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little bit I was like, Yo, you're representing yourself first,
and formance was lost your family and maybe to like
so many people, especially honestly in Middle America in the South,
maybe don't I haven't seen Asian man before, like in
life and not even like on TV and the movies,
like maybe you might be one of the first people
they're getting to know a little bit, and so yeah,

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you felt a little bit, and so I definitely empathize
with her that way. Well, before we let you go,
you got to create a headline for us. Now, if
you were to go to Paradise, who do you want
to see there? That's so easy, Brendan, Uh, you took

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the easier. Now took so sweet though, it's very sweet.
It was almost so sweet that I'm going to say,
just as good as if you gave us a girl's name. Well, Joe,
dr Joe Park, thank you so much for joining us.
We're gonna continue with bachelor headlines. We're gonna let you
go so you can get some rest, you can learn
some Spanish, player tar drinks, more energy drinks, stay awake

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for as long as possible. Um, I really appreciate you, ma'am.
Been great, get to know you better, and we hope
to see back here soon. So wonderful having you. Actually, Ben,
it's always great being on your podcast, and thank you
so much for providing and seriously, it's great to talk
to you and thank you for your thoughtful questions and
UH and you and everything else. Man, Hey, we'll talk
to you soon, Joe. We're gonna take a break here

(01:06:23):
with the almost famous podcast. When we come back, we're
gonna continue with Bachelor headlines. It's always a pleasure having
a guest on doing an in depth episode. These are
some of our favorite uh in the off season. Dr

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Joe Park was incredible. We're gonna finish the podcast here
with bachelor headlines that are happening right now as we speak.
We're gonna start with this. Matt James returned to Instagram.
He wipes the Bachelor from his profile. This according to
US Weekly. Yeah, super interesting. So we all know, or
if you listen to this podcast, you know that last
week he deleted all the photos from his Instagram anything

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that was promotional of the Bachelor. Now the only photo
that refers to the Bachelor is his response to UM
the Chris Harrison interview. UM. He also has listed he's
not He's not the Bachelor in his BIA or anything
like that. He has listed real estate is his profession,

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c b r E as his place of work. He
says that he's a believer and that life revolves around
his work at the ABC Food Tours and uh yeah,
so it seems like he's trying to put the Bachelor
in his past, literally and figuratively. He is back on Instagram,
though Matt James can be seen back on Instagram. Well, uh,

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next inline is this inside Claire Crawley's very romantic forty
birthday get away with Dale moss Is. According to the
News yep, last week we told you that the two
of them were spotted giving each other mask kisses in
New York City. What looks that he followed her back
to California for the last week of March for her

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forty birthday. They went to Napa. They were by the
pool together, they had champagne. It was, according to a source,
everything that Claire wanted for her birthday. Happy, Happy, to
clear Crawley and it sounds like her and Dale are
still hanging out. We'll call it that for now. Uh.

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In a Resa interview Sitting to the Taco, who we
just spoke about with Dr Joe Park a second ago
with US Weekly, she revealed a lot. It's a great interview,
Eric and anybody going out and checking out, it's with
um they're here for the Right Reasons podcast. But she
also says this sitting of the Taco recall recalls Bachelor
Colton Underwood playing favorites the most contestants quit. She says

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this according to US Weekly, Yeah, basically, it's basically the
headline is is the article. She She said that it
was obvious that he was playing favorites, and and then
it wasn't like didn't make them feel good about themselves
seeing him look at other girls a certain way and
then not give them attention. And that was kind of

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what put the nail on the coffin for her when
she decided to leave on her own. Blake Hortzman reveals
why he doesn't regret releasing Kaylin miller Keys text after
Bachelor in Paradise drama. This according to US Weekly as well. So,
if you guys remember during that season of Bachelor in Paradise,
which was almost a year and a half ago, um,

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there was a lot of he said, she said, and
Blake put out some texts that happened between him and
and Kylin during that infamous Stagecoach weekend, and he said
that he's never going to feel guilty for defending himself
and for showing up to fight for himself. He said

(01:10:00):
that he was told that he shouldn't put anything out
about it. They really as a show. They didn't want
him releasing anything that happened off the show. So but
but he said, I can't. I have to defend myself. Well.
In a recently released text thread that is getting a

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lot of um conversation going right now, Evan Bass jokes
about Carly Waddale split and dating again during brief Instagram return.
This according to US Weekly, also, this is all just
very silly. Um. Evan was in Mexico and he was
there getting dental surgery, and the night before he was

(01:10:44):
just texting with Carly and they were kind of it
seemed a little bit flirty, like a little tongue in cheek,
um about I believe if he died in surgery, who
she would marry next. So there's like some silliness there.

(01:11:05):
And um she was there was like a like a
little bit of playfulness because of his Italian heritage and
like that she should never marry another Italian again. The
bottom line to me from this story is that Carly
and Evan are still talking and and they are in
a playful sense, So who knows what could come of this?

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That being said, When asked on Instagram whether or not
he and Carly could get back together again, he quoted
Humpty Dumpty, which was all the King's horses and all
the King's men dot dot dot. We know the rest
of the rhyme couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again,

(01:11:49):
So I think that's alluding to them not being able
to figure it out. Who knows. Stay tuned, it's wild. Well.
Speaking of former Bachelor couples, Bachelrettes Ashley he Bear reunites
with a strange husband Jp Rosenbaum says they're best friends
forever after split. This according to US Weekly, Yeah, it's
kind of surprising to me. It just seemed like they

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didn't end on the most positive note. But over the weekend,
she posted an Into story of the two of them together,
and she said too cool for school. Too cool for school,
as she teased in a playful way again her strench
husband um and she captioned the Instagram story best friends forever,

(01:12:30):
which is great. I'm glad that they're on such good terms. Well,
The Bachelor's Jason Tartek reveals plans to start a family
with Caitlin Bristow. This, according to Hollywood Life. Yeah, it's
a juicy headline, but there's not much to go with it,
but we can confirm that they're both wanting a family. Um,
and he said that in an ideal world, they would

(01:12:52):
love to have twins. I think they just want to
bang it out, but they said that, he said, I
think we're in the perfect situation for kids. UM, twins
would be nice, but just a happy kid would be
what we what we desire. Well in the final headline
and also some more baby news inside Pregnant Lauren Burnham

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and Ari Liondyke Juniors Hawaii baby moon ahead of twins birth.
I know the two of them went on a baby
moon this week. All the photos are on Instagram. Cute
content for sure, so UM follow follow that they I
feel like Hawaii is a very special place for them.
I think the baby moon thereby, I'm not sure, but

(01:13:37):
that's when they got married. It's a special time. Well,
this has been another Almost Famous podcast and in depth
episode with Dr Joe Park. I want to think Dr
Joe Park for coming on and give us so much time. Ashley,
as always, you're the best. We're gonna be back next
week with another episode of Almost Famous. Podcast until then,
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