Almost Famous In Depth: Olivia Caridi

After the emotional and heartfelt conversation between Ben and Olivia Caridi on television on Monday, Ben and Ashley wanted to connect with Olivia to go In Depth for the first time in years.

Her connection with Ben, first impressions rose, becoming the villain, regrets , triumphs, lessons learned and a genius tip on how to get on the show.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.
It's another almost famous in depth podcast. My wonderful co
host Ashley I Ken Eddie is sitting on the mic
is well, I think you know what. COVID has kept
us apart for too long. Actually it's been a very
long time. But you know what's great. We have this

(00:21):
thing down pat for when you go back on tour.
It's gonna be so good. Actually, this isn't in depth
and I want to sit the mood a little bit here. Okay,
I'm sitting right now in Denver, Colorado. There is a
storm outside, a beautiful storm that we don't get very often,
so it's thundering. I'm feeling very what I don't want

(00:41):
to say. It's like very kind of like cozy and
like just kind of like not melancholy, but just very
relaxed because this is the place I want to be
right now, Like I really want to be here and
on this podcast with you. So I poured myself a
glass of wine. I'm drinking a stole Pan or Stolpman
Vineyards Savanne Blanc chilled two thou eighteen, which was a

(01:06):
great year, vintage two thousand eighteen, Ashley, you're gonna go
get yourself a glass of wine in a second, Okay,
And I know our guest on this week's In Depth
is enjoying a glass of wine as well. Before I
mentioned her name, I want to introduce her really quick
to all of us. Ashley and I are honored, absolutely

(01:27):
honored to be talking with somebody who has been the
conversation of a lot of people over the last week.
She is courageous and uh she is a trendsetter. She
is the host of the mouthing Off podcast on CBS Radio.
She was also a participant on the twentieth season of

(01:50):
The Bachelor. Let me say that was a great season.
Uh um, Olivia Creedy, Welcome to the In Depth Podcast
with Ashley Cheers. I also love us saving on blanc.
That's what I have to always must be chilled. So
it feels like we should just like pour our favorite
glass of one or your favorite drink if you're if
you don't drink alcoholic beverages, or you're under the age

(02:11):
of twenty one, put yourself I guess sparkling water. Uh. Back,
We're just gonna hang out and talk everything, Olivia, which
is going to be really fantastic. Okay, here, where should
we begin. We're gonna begin where we usually do, and
that is that you're the beginning of your childhood. Tell

(02:32):
us where you were born and about all the most
important members of your immediate family. Yeah. So I was
born in New York City, in Manhattan, but my parents
didn't want to be there very long because apparently they
lived in an apartment complex and my mom had to
put knee pads on me because I kept sneaking out

(02:55):
of the the apartment and like people just kept finding me,
like in the hall away and so were the doors
open to us? I mean, who knows, so they were.
She was like, I can't live here anymore. I plus
it's too cold. So my dad said, oh, well, I
know of one place in the world I've lived. My
dad went to medical school in Austin, Texas, so kind

(03:18):
of blindly they moved me and my sister Page to
Austin and we've been here since two thousand and my
dad started his own plastic surgery practice here and uh,
we've been quarantined here for what three months now, four
months now? So but yeah, we I grew up basically here.

(03:42):
I would consider uh played volleyball my whole life. That
was like my thing. My sister and I shared that bond.
Uh what else? I mean, let's see, growing up, I
was kind of a work and I was really really overweight,

(04:03):
and so that really really overweight. It was pretty bad. Yeah,
like I have a memory, my my. We moved to
Austin when I was in second grade and I made
one best friend and then as I was kind of
getting fatter, he came up to me in the library
one day and said, you know, I can't I can't
be friends with you anymore because people are like laughing
because you're fat. And I was like, but then I

(04:25):
had the most amazing transformation. Came back to middle school
and I was a fox. How did you transform? My
mom basically put me into sports and was like, let
me just try anything. And it turns out that I
really liked volleyball, and um, of course, like as you
grow taller, you kind of even out a little bit.

(04:46):
So that was also lucky too, like I had a
growth spurt where I went from I don't know, like
five ft to five ten or whatever, and then it
kind of evened out. But that was definitely like my childhood.
It was kind of like, but it was really fun.
And yeah, high school is great. I went to college
at TCU UM and it was a sorority girl and

(05:08):
did broadcast journalism just like you, Ashley, And yeah, I
don't know. Then I was a news anchor, as I've
talked about, and then I went on The Bachelor. Was great.
You always been like kind of more extroverted, more really know. Well,
what's weird is I'm super introverted with people I'm not

(05:28):
comfortable with, but like with the people I know, I
am the loudest, goofy ist, weirdest human being on the planet.
So I'm just a conundrum. Like I'll go to a
party and stand in a corner and be really nervous
the whole time if it's like a thing where I
don't know people. But if it's like ten of my
closest friends. Oh man, yeah, I'm jumping out of a cake.

(05:49):
You know. It's great. Yeah, you're jumping out of a cake.
That's definitely one of our similarities. I'm an introvert extrovert,
not the jumping out of the cake. But if I'm
uncomfortable in an environment, it's hard to make me comfortable.
Oh yeah, it's it's brutal, and like I I don't

(06:11):
ever think I'm that awkward, but like I certainly am
pretty awkward when I'm uncomfortable. Isn't that funny that you
and I have that quality? And yet we got into
broadcast journalism and we liked being on count of percent.
But it's so weird. It's like I feel completely myself
when I'm on camera, when I'm on a microphone. I mean,
I remember I kind of got like slapped on the

(06:32):
wrist a little bit of my old news station because
I would kind of make jokes on air and kind
of like flirt with my co anchor a little bit,
and and like I just felt so good on air.
But yeah, the minute I'm off, I'm just like, yeah,
I don't get it. I don't know. We'll still figuring
it out. We're going to skip ahead a little bit
and then backtrack. Uh, it's gonna be like the Michael

(06:54):
Jordan documentary. The timeline is not really good. It doesn't
make any sense, but it's still great. But it's still
going to get Ukay. I've been super just curious personally
after The Bachelor, why don't you get back into like
being on camera as an anchor. I mean, I think
it was a combination of things. I honestly was just

(07:15):
so terrified of cameras after the fact that I just
didn't even want to be anywhere near them. And then
I did send my Ashley, you know, my real to
some news stations and I was getting, you know, some
bites as we call it. But then people are like,
you're kind of like a pr nightmare, and we don't
really I think that we can. Yeah, you know, I

(07:39):
mean I was sitting here thinking everyone's talking about me.
At least you'd think if you brought me on that
your ratings would go up. But that's what I was
just thinking. Yeah, but apparently people weren't willing to risk that,
and so yeah, I um got a lot of that.
And then at some point I just was like, all right,
maybe this isn't going to happen right now. And now
it's been what four years, four years, as Chris Harrison

(08:01):
said many times, you were a twenty three year old anchor.
You were in southern Virginia, right, it was a small market,
But to be a twenty three year old anchor is impressive.
How did you get that far so fast? Oh? My gosh.
I mean when I was hired at w c y B,
which was the station, I just was a general assignment reporter,

(08:24):
so you know, I was I had to carry my camera,
I did everything on my own, sweating out there in
the field. Um. And then I guess at one point
they were looking for a morning weekend news anchor and
they were like, Olivia, do you want to do this?
And I said sure, so yeah. I remember the first
newscast I was shaking the entire time. I probably messed

(08:47):
up a ga jillion times, but I guess it ended
up working out. And then they said we want to
bring you on to the evening news and I just
I was like, what is happening right now? And and
then all of a sudden, I was filling in for
anchors during the week, which you know is a huge deal,
and uh, yeah, I really don't I don't really know.

(09:08):
I developed a great friendship with my news director, who
really gave me a ton of advice and watched all
of my footage and said, hey, you know, you do
this weird thing with your eyebrow. You need to stop that.
And so we just like talked a lot, and then
I just kept going and it was great. It was
really good. Yeah, I know we're sticking in this for
a little bit. Again, one doesn't matter. Do you ever

(09:32):
in a second way to jump into talking about your
time on the Bachelor and kind of will let up
to it. But do you ever regret leaving that job
to do the Bachelor? Now? I mean obviously yes, because
I was really good at it, and I could see
myself like if I hadn't done that, maybe I could
be like in an in a big market doing something cool.

(09:54):
But when I really think about the job, right, like
we're working twelve hour days, your life never really turns off.
You're always trying to get your next story. And and
I was only making like twenty thousand dollars a year,
like I could barely afford to sleep on a couch.
And then you move another another year later and you

(10:15):
maybe make like thirty five thousand dollars. Like it's just
not to to say no one should ever want to
do broadcast, but it's it's definitely like, um, it can
be a tough field. It's such hard work. It's such
little pay. It's like being a little pay, it really is,
And it's like, you know, it's an important job. It's important,

(10:38):
but it's you know, only so few people make it
to that like highlight point of like oh I'm on
NBC or whatever, like you know, that's one in a
million chance that's going to happen. And so that was
always kind of what I wanted. And then I'm like,
I'm not making any money. I can't survive, you know,
So yes and no, yes and no. Is that why

(10:59):
you know? Actually I've never asked you this, and this
is Olivia's podcast, but it's interesting to talk about. Is
that why you never got into it? Yeah, So leaving
grad school, they were basically like you all have to
start at a very tiny market in the middle of nowhere,
and I was like, I am not moving to the
middle of nowhere. I was like, I'm gonna go to

(11:19):
l A get into that scene, and I just have
that positive outlook and drives. I know I'm going to
be able to figure out my own way of doing it,
and people my classmates would always be like, Ashley, how
are you going to do this? This is ridiculous And
I was like, don't worry, I gotta figure it out, okay,
And you did it, girl. Well, both of you are
extremely accomplished uh within your background of education oliving. You

(11:44):
graduated uh kum Alata with a degree in journalism from TCU,
So like you were, I mean, no wonder you skyrocketed
to the anchor seat fast. I mean, actually, obviously you
know we've got our masters, but you are extremely good
at what you do. I mean, I'm obviously like it's
hard work, but I say this as humbly as possible.

(12:06):
I worked my ass off in college. I had three jobs.
I was the executive editor of our online you know,
news platform. I worked with the newspaper, I had a
TV internship. Like I had no time to party, which
I in hindsight wish I had spent more time doing.
But like, I worked really hard. So I did feel

(12:29):
like when I did get a job right outside of college,
like yeah, I earned this, like this is the right.
But yeah, I moved to the middle of nowhere, which
ended up being the most fun thing in the whole world,
by the way, but I'm sure I moved into Bristol, Virginia.
Never heard of it, don't know what it is. It
is on a guy Co commercial though, So really it's

(12:49):
always those it's always those moves where you're super scared
that it turns out to be the best. I was
like when I went to grad school in Syracuse, I'm like, okay, Well,
when I went to college, I knew people that were
going to be at my call. You know, I was
still in my state. I was two hours away. And
then I went to Syracuse. It's just like a whole
like I am moving on my own and I yeah,
I am independent for the first time ever. Yeah, totally

(13:12):
different type of moved though. Now of course you're saying
you didn't have time to do anything begs the question
did you have time to date? Oh god, no, no,
I was on no, I was on bumble a little.
But how's the Bristol, Virginia bubble scene? I mean it was,

(13:34):
it was. It was weak. There was actually it's funny,
there was this guy before The Bachelor came out. It
was like Olivia dumped me. I had like maybe gone
on like three days with this one guy who lived
kind of far away, and so it was never really
a thing anyway, But that was like the closest I
had gotten to like dating someone in Bristol. Other than that,
it was just getting jail mail. So like across the

(13:57):
street from the news station was a j ale and
all they do is watch TV, and so they kind
of they build Yeah, they build up in their mind
that like you're their girlfriend and stuff, and they can
write mail. So I would constantly get lovely letters from
my my jail boyfriends. Olivia. If I saw you on
the local news, I would also be writing you love letters. Yeah,

(14:23):
Olivia is the anchor that all my buddies text me, Hey,
have you seen Channel seven up? It's so funny because, like,
leaving for the Bachelor was a lot weirder than maybe
it is for other people, because I was anchoring up
until the day that I moved home and got ready

(14:46):
to go start filming. So I couldn't say see you
guys next weekend. And I couldn't say going on the
Bachelor because like obviously you can't. So I just literally
disappeared from thin air, disappear here. Like I still had
people two years later saying where did you go? Like
what did you do? And where did you go? Well,

(15:07):
that's what we're gonna talk about next. It's going to
be a wild ride for Olivia. Create uh. All kind
of leading up to last week, which was a really
important week for you, so we're going to take a break, refuel, uh,
take a breather, and come back with Olivia Crety on
the Almost Famous podcast. Olivia, I've been pretty honest that, like,

(15:38):
I wasn't fully on the Bachelor for the right reasons,
nor do I think that anybody was, because my mentality
and our listeners are going to be so tired of
hearing this. Was. Of course, family and marriages number one.
I will put that above everything, way above career and
all that. But going on the Bachelor and expecting to

(16:00):
find that, you know, you have to be realistic that
your chances of it are slim. However, you know, the
greatest case scenario would be I get a little exposure,
amp up my career, and you know, find my husband,
which apparently happened. Happened. I mean, I am definitely the
exception to the rule. Here, Why did you go on

(16:21):
the show? Oh my god, hot, Olivia. So look, the
truth of it is that I didn't really want to
go and here here's here's the story. Here's the story.
So well, first of all, my parents were married on
Good Morning America. They were the first couple ever be
married on television. So I've always had this like vision

(16:44):
of you know, that's normal to me, like that happens. Okay,
So I was doing really well at work. I think
my mom was like, you're never going to meet a
guy kind of in terms of what you were saying,
like how is the dating in Bristol doing? And so
she I guess at the time, there was a casting
that was sort of close to Bristol. I don't really

(17:05):
remember where it was. So I said, guys, stop annoying me.
I'm not going to apply. If you guys want to apply,
go for it. I don't care. I'm not going to
do it. So my mom kind of conspired with my sister,
and my sister made a video which was very cute.
I saw it later. They overnighted it to casting and
my mom was very smart and she she said it

(17:27):
to where they had to sign for it and so
that someone saw it and it was very smart. And
I got a call two days later. I was I
was at on the desk, my phone is ringing. I've
told people don't call me between these hours, and it's
freaking people from l A and I'm not kidding you.
Two weeks later, it was it started like I and

(17:50):
of course, you know you go out there and it's
this like magical experience and all these people like care
about you and like I think you're great, and so
I was like, oh my gosh, totally let's do this thing.
And then of course I had watched Caitlin season, so
I saw I knew Ben, and I was like, Ben Rocks,
let's let's like heck, yeah, let's do this thing. You know,

(18:12):
you just reminded me of something that I did. I
fed exit with the signature too. That's my advice for
anyone who asks, Yeah, yeah, so now there's gonna be
a whole bunch of FedEx packages at them back to me.
That a signature. But obviously, like I'm I'm a hopeless romantic,
so I was. I had no interest at all in
Instagram followers or none of that. I was just like,

(18:37):
this could be really fun. Ben is awesome. If it works,
great and if not, I go back to work, which
didn't really happen, but that was my idea going into
it for sure. Two questions for me, just a backtrack,
your parents and then got married on ABC. They were well,
one that would have been absolutely poetic for you, totally happening, totally,

(18:59):
but they like knew each other and I dated and
all that before they just had their wedding broadcast from
Time Square. Yes, well, but but here's it was a
It was like a kind of a show, like a
docu series that followed them. So it was like, you know,
my mom trying on her wedding dress and my dad
and my mom flying to New York to see my

(19:21):
dad's family, and they definitely had an interesting dynamic that
was perfect for TV. So my mom was very like
I want to get married, yea, and my dad's just
kind of like this New York dude who's like cool
marriage whatever. Like, so it was just like a very
interesting dynamic, which I'm sure they said this is awesome
and yeah, and then I guess they did so well

(19:43):
like ratings wise that it Actually my mom got pregnant
with me right afterwards, and they filmed me like as
a baby, like on the changing table, and I was
on ABC like as a little infant baby. So yeah,
it was it was like a docuseeries kind of thing,
like it wasn't just our wedding. It was very cool.
That story alone gets you cast in The Bachelor, especially

(20:04):
with your face included. I really I don't even remember
if I told that story. I really don't remember, but um,
yeah I thought. I I thought for sure, like if
this were to work or something, then like wouldn't ABC
love having that you know, mom and dad also coming back?
But you know, obviously not. I don't even remember that

(20:26):
story really being shared. I mean, I remember that story
from you, but I don't remember ever airing or being
a thing, which is which is such an interesting story,
which is why I was hoping, Like obviously I had
a feeling I wasn't going to get a hometown, but
I thought it could have been really fun to like
combine ABC's Good Morning America and footage of them and

(20:48):
then checking it. But you know that didn't happen, but
it would have been a cool little caveat there for sure.
So before the Bachelor, how much dating experience did you have?
I had a serious boyfriend in college for uh about
a year and a half. But but I mean in

(21:08):
terms of like, is that a ton of experience? Probably not.
I thought for sure he was like the guy because
you know, I did go to a school and I'm
from the South where like you get married younger, and
so I was like, okay, cool, but but that was
pretty much it. I wasn't ever really terribly focused on dating.
I was like super focused on career for sure. So yeah,

(21:31):
I mean I was not experienced because we haven't answered
it yet. Then why even consider the Bachelor. I mean,
you've told us about your mom, You've told us about
signing up and like her almost kind of not forcing you,
but signing you up. Then why did you even do it?
Because I I don't know. I guess because it happened

(21:52):
so fast. There was It's not like I waited six
months and was like waiting to hear whether this was
gonna like even be a thing. It literally I found out, Hey,
come to l A. We're going to fly you out here.
We want to meet you. You're great, we love you.
Come on the show and the and then it started

(22:12):
and it was like really fast and how this is
such an amazing thing and how could I ever say
no to this? And I mean, yeah, that's the only
really kind of concrete way I can think about it,
and it's not concrete at all. But um, it was
just very fast. Yeah, I get that part. I get

(22:34):
that it's hard to say no. And I don't know
if many people do I think that would be interesting.
I know someone who said, no, well, let's fast forward
to at Night one then, because this isn't a this
is an important memory for me. Uh you are Night one.
It's it's a crazy time. It's fast as well. Right,

(22:55):
there's a lot going on, and everybody is pretty willing,
honestly a Night one to share opinions, like the producers
and Harrison and everybody's talking like what do you think?
How you doing? How is she? Like? Everybody's like just excited,
and it's a genuine excitement. It's not a producer fake one.
You can read through the lines. People are just pumped.
It's it's a big thing for them too. And I

(23:18):
remember them being huge fans of you on Night one. Uh,
just on on every level like, oh you know we connected,
Our conversation was great. Uh. They said like how beautiful
she wasn't and then they believed it. Did you feel
that from them on Night one? Especially? Yes? And I'll
I don't know if I can really say why without

(23:40):
getting into like whatever, You're fine, I'll just do it
because that's that's my brand. That's what I've always done.
So the kind of the minute I knew when it
was something where I was like, I feel kind of confident,
just is as my like standing in This was when
all the girls are like the kind of starts talking

(24:01):
to people. All the girls are where can when can
I catch him? And a producer came to me and said, hey,
we're setting up your talk with Ben, and I was like, whoa, okay,
And so they brought me over to Ben at a
time when obviously it was done, and our conversation felt

(24:24):
a lot longer then others. And then when I left you,
a lot of the girls were pissed at me because
they were like, you know, we weren't allowed to to
enter your conversation, and I was like, oh, I'm really sorry.
I didn't. I had no idea about that. So that's
kind of when I was like, okay, And then of

(24:47):
course the conversation went great. So that was also the
other thing, you know, So I don't know that might
have been too much. I don't know, I'm sorry. How
easy was the conversation with Olivia night one? Because of
thinking of all of your girls and how many great
ones there are as far as conversations go, like, I
don't know that it ever gets better than Olivia well,

(25:08):
I think that's I think, well, I think that's the
difference is Night one is, and it's I think it
is important for everybody to understand, like there is an excitement,
there's a ton of nerves, and not just from the
Bachelor and the girls, Like there's what two people almost
that work on this show. There's a lot of nerves
hoping that Night one actually like goes well from anybody
that works in the show. So it's like very an

(25:30):
anxious evening. And when you have somebody like Olivia, who
is beautiful and inconfident and good on camera, who sits
down and like almost like um calms the storm of
the anxiousness for everybody, it's automatically going to go better.
Like it just does, because it's not hard on night
one to be a standout, especially because everybody's freaking out

(25:51):
and Olivia just didn't. They're panicked out and she just didn't.
It's true, it was bad. And I have a follow
up question for you, and it's a little awkward you
answer in front of Olivia when it comes to the
first impression, Rose, was it one your decision full hardly
to give it to Olivia. Did you have some like

(26:12):
external not pressures, but like influencing that, like she would
be the best one to choose for that. Well, I
remember how it goes down and you go back in
this little room and they said, who do you want
to get? The first impression Rose too, And it's so
hard to understand, but like not again night one. There's
what thirty women, some of which you've had a few

(26:35):
a few minutes to talk to, like you don't remember everybody,
and it's a whirlwind of conversation. And so what you
do is you go through and you pick out like
maybe four or five of the women that stood out
to you, and you go through the conversation you had
and you go, Okay, I talked about this with this girl,
and this is how I felt with this girl, and hey,
this girl gave me a kiss right away. Like you

(26:55):
just go through everything that you can and then you
go like these you also have to consider this And
what maybe others didn't but I did, was the first
impression Rose is like a weight, like it is a
target and it is also a weight, and who can
handle it? Like who could? Who could take the target?
And go I'll walk through this confidently knowing that people

(27:17):
are gonna like, I am the one that people are
gonna kind of be after right away. And so then
I decided Olivia because she was that confident that she
was that calm president. She she did stand out, and
so was this is an a good obvious choice. I
I don't remember being pressured. I just remember it being
a conversation and it made complete sense to pick Olivia.

(27:41):
So yeah, Olivia, That's that's good. The good point Olivia.
The first impression rose on the twenties season of The Bachelor. Uh.
She ended up going on to be uh kind of
the favorite for weeks, which as we watched last week
on the recap, Olivia, what happened during that time of

(28:01):
you kind of having the target on your back is
as you wanted more time with me, the women got
more resentful towards you. Yeah, did you ever feel that happening?
Or again, were you blinded to that? Okay? I mean yeah,
I yeah, No, I I felt the resentment. It still

(28:24):
felt like super peaceful in the house though, Like I
never remember a certain point where like it was uncomfortable
living together slash people were like, oh, everything's fine, it's
no big deal. So it's did I feel things were
weird at times? Yes, did I feel like of course,

(28:45):
when Jamie uh said, hey, the girls are talking about you.
They're talking about your toes or whatever, that was certainly
a pivotal moment where I was like, oh, yeah, people
are talking about me when I'm not around and so,
but of course at that point I was like, I'm
not even gonna say anything. I didn't say anything about

(29:05):
any of that. I didn't approach anyone. I just was like,
why not, okay, because it, I mean, I don't know
what's the what am I supposed to say? Who talked
about my toes? Like no, I don't really care that much.
So and of course I it's like, I come back here, sorry,
Jamie says, people are talking about your toes. They're talking

(29:28):
about this and that and the other about you. And
it kind of pissed me off, to be honest, because
I was just like, what is that? How stupid is that?
So I went back and I just was walking back
to everyone with just nonchalant whatever is going on? And
everyone was just like, hay, Olivia, what's up? And that's
when I was like, what is this? Like I like,

(29:49):
just say you don't like my toes or say you
don't like this, or say you don't like that, but
don't like pretend everything's fine. Like I don't know, I
just I was I was having a really hard time
like towing the line of like what to do in
you know, a lot of situations. So yeah, watching Ben
season back last Monday, I was like, this girl, they're

(30:13):
not showing this girl, Olivia, my friend, doing anything villainous.
The only thing that you were doing was in your
I t M s being a little cocky. You know,
you're feeling yourself, you're calling yourself Mrs Higgins. It was
like it was fun I mean it was cocky at
the worst, do you know what I mean? But it
was also like funny because I feel like you and

(30:34):
I have a similar sense of human I was just
trying to have a good time. Let's like do this thing.
You know. I was there for one reason only, like
and that was to see if this could work. And
like totally, Ben, I was like, this stuff isn't like

(30:54):
material to villainize somebody. Was there anything else going on
that we didn't see? Like was it seriously just you
being maybe a little bit cocky and the other girls
being jealous and threatened because you were such an early
front runner. Oh my god. I mean I definitely, I

(31:16):
definitely knew people were talking about me, and so for
me as a person in that moment, I tend to retreat, right, So,
like I just spent a lot of time by myself
because I didn't want to piss people off anymore than
they already were. So I just spent a lot of
time in my room, a lot of time. Like when

(31:37):
some airport we were at, I bought like six books
and I just read them all, like I just yeah,
I just was like I don't want to piss people off,
and it just is super awkward in here. And I
would try to extend myself occasionally, like I would go
into rooms and it would just be very like I
don't really want her to be in here, so I

(31:57):
would leave. And then uh, um, of course the night
with Amanda with the whole teen mom thing that really
like that really uh can I cuss on here? Um
checked up for sure? Yeah that far, but yes, you
can still see that. I mean, oh, sorry, it was

(32:19):
it was it really missed. It really messed things up,
and it was that was a horribly painful night for me,
not to say, like, oh, but just because I felt
terrible that night. That was a horrible night. But that's
like to say that that was the real reason they

(32:43):
started villainizing you. It's like everybody makes mistakes, and one
comment that you word poorly, you can't pull it against
you forever. I mean, gosh, I don't know. I definitely
word vomited. I mean there was this one time. I
remember I had already had a rose one week and

(33:04):
there was a cocktail party and I said, hey, I'm
gonna I'm gonna grab Ben really quick, just say hey,
fifteen seconds and then I'm done, Like everyone else, I'm
not going to interrupt anyone done. And I think it
came off as like I've had him, so everyone else
have fun. That it came off really poorly, But that

(33:25):
certainly was not I just wanted to make people feel
confident because everyone was so annoyed that I was talking
to him that I just was. I was like, hey,
fifteen seconds, guys go, I'm gonna sit back like I
won't interrupt anyone. But certainly that sounded really pretty crappy
on my part. So it's not to say I didn't
do anything. I mean I certainly did stuff. Yeah, Ben,

(33:48):
when did this start showing to you? Well, that's yeah,
And that's what I was gonna say, is it's interesting
to walk back through this because you know, from my perspective,
you have the night one, uh, first impression Rose Winner,
and then there's that excitement around her for me going

(34:08):
into week one and the first dates and and then
like I was, I mean, honestly, I was kind of
blinded to any of this even up through uh, really
up through l A into our first travel experience because
in l A, uh there was a lot of group
dates and there's a lot of people, and I never

(34:29):
even recognized that Olivia was not like, for lack of
a better term, like disliked in the house. I remember
it really hit me. Um in Las Vegas, which I
think was our first stop on the travel was there
was questions because I could see Olivia being off to

(34:50):
the distance. Uh. All the other girls were hugging and
like excited, and Olivia was kind of off to the side.
And so then I started asking around, like to mostly
produce rs and to some of the girls, is like,
what's going on, And a lot of producers just say, hey,
like there's some issues in the house. You're gonna have
to find out for yourself. And so I started asking questions,
and it felt like the more and more asked questions,

(35:12):
some girls didn't want to say anything, but there wasn't
an enormous amount of support there. It finally came to
a head, really and that's why I want to sit
for a second in Mexico City, where Uh, I had
the sense you had voice to me that things were
getting hard. I had noticed that. I had definitely at
that point understood that you were maybe not the most

(35:33):
liked in the house, but I didn't know if I
had a problem with that. I just think it was
unfortunate and given the circumstances, making this really hard on everybody.
And and that's where I think the biggest amount of
controversy with you came from is the comments made to Amanda,
which the twins doubled down on. We'll talk about the

(35:53):
twins here in a little bit, because they came to
the podcast last week spoke about you. Um Uh, Olivia.
I want I want to first off, clarify what you
meant by your comments to Amanda, and next then I
want to talk about how that made you feel, knowing
at that moment things were. I mean, I think every

(36:15):
I think you and I both agree like you and
I both knew that things were falling down around us
and you on this experience at that point. Well, so,
without getting too far into Amanda's situation with her ex
husband and their kids, uh, in that moment, she before
that had been talking about how this there was a

(36:37):
strain with their kind of custody relationship and that it
was difficult at times. And at that point, right, like
everyone had kind of doubled off in like a friend situation, right,
and Becca had actually pulled me aside in Mexico City
And this never aired, but Becca Tilly said, hey, live

(36:58):
like I feel like you're feeling super alone in here
and ostracized, and I want you to know that like
I do love you and care about you, and I'm
I'm really sorry that you feel this way. Right, It
never aired, but like there was support in there where
that she was like, we want you to want to
hang out with us, and I know you feel really
awkward at times, but like we want you, we embrace you.

(37:22):
And so that was when I was starting to feel
a little bit more confident, like, oh well, maybe I
can like pipe in and say something and so I'm
a dog for TV. Amanda's talking about custody situations. I
love the show Teen Mom, so I was literally just
trying to be like, oh, this reminds me of some
of those storylines, and Teen Mom were like, the custody

(37:44):
situations are difficult. I have no clue why I said that,
and I think I can see it on my face
where the minute I said it, I was like, it
wasn't like I sat there being like I had. There
was nothing about it that was like you had a
baby when you were a kid. Like I had a
conversation with her at the pool. I knew how old

(38:04):
she was when she had her first child, Like I meant,
no malice, And the minute I said it, I ran
off camera and I hugged her and I was like,
I'm so very sorry, like that came out so wrong.
She said it's all good, no problem, and I actually
went off, and I remember, if I had talked to
you already been But I came back on the couch

(38:26):
and I heard people kind of about it, so I
just said, hey, guys, like, can we talk about this,
Like I think things are weird. Lauren Amanda and I
ended up having like a thirty minute conversation and I
was like crying and I was so sorry. But at
that point I knew it was over, like I had

(38:47):
it was like why why? Why did you know? What? What?
What about it made it feel like it was over
because it was just like I had finally done the
horrible thing that I did. Yeah, and then I feel
like you started self sabotaging yourself. I was like, this
girl isn't a villain to the other girls right now?
Those girls a villain to herself because I just couldn't
help yourself with Ben, you just like you had so

(39:09):
much anxiety. I feel like you let me know how
it was inside that you just were like I need
to heal this. I need to heal this. But you
were just losing. It's a really hard position to be
in when you really, you really liked someone for a
long time, and it annoys people that like they you
like him and that he likes you, like I remember
that this this the date after the first impression, was

(39:29):
where I got the rose again. Ben had said, hey, Olivia,
can we talk at the cocktail party? And we were
gone for like a considerable amount of time. I had
no idea where we were going how long we were
going to be gone? And I get back and Emily
looks at her her watch on her hand, and she's like,
you were gone for forty five minutes. And I was like, oh,
I'm I'm sorry. I you know, I didn't ask to talk.

(39:52):
So it was like it was just things that I
was doing, like existing, pissed people off a lot, and
so then it just never got better. And then once
I did the teen mom thing, I was absolutely done
for Like, yeah, it was like coming back. Yeah, it
was all leading up to that moment. It felt like
it for me even yeah, And it was like it's

(40:14):
really hard when you know, I hadn't gotten a date
with Ben, right, so it's like you only get a
few minutes here and there. I'm feeling like I'm having
to like defend myself, but I don't even have time
to really like talk about anything other than like defending myself.
And I'm also like, how can I even do that
when there's clearly like a momentum shift here. There was

(40:34):
just at that point, I was self destructing in myself.
I didn't want to talk to anyone because I was
just like I was begging to go home. Honestly, at
that point I just was like, please send me home,
like I can't do this anymore. Like it just was awful.
So actually it's interesting to even look back on and
you would ask me this question, and Olivia, I don't
know if you felt this way at all, but looking

(40:55):
back on this, right, when you see the arc of
our relationship where it starts out really good things, it
good things continue to be good, and then we go
to Vegas and obviously we have the infamous like cake incident,
which really didn't disrupt the relationship at all. It was
more like a funny like you know, I think you
would probably actually or anybody out there listening, would watch
your significant other do something that's like pretty funny and

(41:16):
you would just like feel for them with them and
like laugh it off. But that got emotional, right, There
was emotion added to that, and Olivia was embarrassed. And
then we move on and there are things said and
there was isolation, and it felt like every week. Olivia
was never the villain in my eyes, it just felt
like another unfortunate circumstance that surrounded Olivia that brought upon

(41:40):
almost just like a lack of of joy. I guess
on my end because every time I would know of
here Olivia's name, it would not be associated with like
positive things. It would mostly be about struggle of some kind.
And so from my side, that's how I was doing this,
Like I said, all coming to ahead of Mexico City,
where uh really felt like everything that was felt in

(42:03):
a sense was reinforced, even though that the statement made
was a mistake, as Olivia said, Uh, but not intentionally harmful. Now, Olivia,
before we continue on with this conversation, obviously the twins
had doubled down on you to um to definitely make

(42:24):
this experience harder for you. And I'm not saying that
because I feel that way, even though a lot of
people did they felt that way as well. In fact,
last week we had him on the podcast, A live
podcast we did, uh let's hear from them, uh play
some audio about them speaking about you. We're totally so
sorry about all of that, and me and Haley did
not mean any of the stuff we said and looking

(42:44):
back on it as like a mature adult, it was
completely uncalled for and just just big fat a holes. Yeah,
just a little brat, just trying to get fifteen minutes
of fame. Just trying to like just totally so awful.
So if she's watching this or ever sees, we're sorry
and would love to talk to her on the phone
if she'd want to, I mean if I don't think

(43:05):
she would ever want to, I know, And you know,
it's weird that we've never even had like a text
conversation or a phone conversation four years later to even
say sorry. And I guess that might be our fault
because we've never even reached out. But I just don't
think she would want I don't know if she'd want
to hear from us. So the Twins. I had no
problem with the twins in the house at all, Like

(43:31):
I were we best friends, No, but nothing like zero.
So when I watched the show and I see them,
you know, holding a knife and saying they want to
kill me, and that I wanted they make or I
make them want to throw up and they hate my
breath and my boobs and this and that and the other. Uh,

(43:53):
that was incredibly painful to watch because that I had
no clue that that was happening. There was one point
where someone came to me and said one of the
producers was trying to convince the twins to put a
bunch of mints on your bed, but that they said, oh,
we don't, we don't want to do that, which like, oh,

(44:14):
bless them for drawing the line. At some point, okay,
so we get to women tell all they are just
going in on me, and I said, I'm sorry, you know,
I'm really sorry for everything. And I remember Leah Block
distinctly saying well, what about what you guys said about Olivia,

(44:35):
and Emily just coming back with, well, that's besides the point.
So up until that point they still didn't think that
anything they had done was wrong in my eyes? Would
you agree? I don't know. So then no, all the
time in the world goes by. A couple of years later,

(44:56):
this was maybe a year ago, someone obviously was watching
Ben's show on Hulu or whatever, and they tweet me
and the Twins and they said something to the effect
of like, I don't know why everyone hated Olivia, because like,
look how mean X and X were to Olivia. And
I might have liked it or commented, I have no idea.
But Emily specifically came back and said, oh is she

(45:17):
still bitter about all of this? So there's time too
where it's very clear they still don't feel like they
did anything wrong. Then all this time passes, still this
new show with Ben comes around. They do a podcast which,

(45:39):
sorry I didn't listen, so I didn't hear what they
had to say. But I had never heard about it
until Monday night when Ben's show was airing, and my
Instagram is exploding and I'm like, what the hell is
going on? And I see that Emily had followed me
on Instagram and then commented on my post publicly saying like,
I'm sorry I didn't make things easy for you. I

(46:01):
was just young, I was an asshole, YadA YadA, And
I honestly a screenshot at it, and I sent it
to my friends and I was like, are you kidding me?
Right now? Like are you serious? And then ten minutes
later I get a text from her saying something similar,
saying I'm really sorry. I would love to talk to
you if you're open to it. I answered her back

(46:22):
and I said, hey, look, I appreciate this message. I
would love to talk to you, But the more I
think about it, the more it just it doesn't feel
right to me. Um, it just doesn't. I really do
think that if this show had never come on, they

(46:42):
would have never apologized, and I fully believe that, and
so already it feels kind of weird to me. Um.
But then to wait till, like the night of the
show when everyone's looking at Instagram, I don't out. I
might just be jaded. Ah, I don't know. Well, yeah,

(47:06):
and okay, let's talk about that then, because I do
want to come back to the Emily and Haley uh conversation.
But in order to make that make sense, we have
to talk about you and how hurt you've been for
the last four years. Because we've talked about the show,

(47:27):
We've talked about your experience on the show. Just to
recap it, um, Olivia, one of the most iconic exits
of all time. At the end of The Bachelor, Uh,
the jerk of a bachelor left you on an island
all alone as he speed it off into the windy ocean. Um,
just to get wind blown and and frostbite. Uh. But

(47:53):
that was your exit, and that's the last we really
sold you up until the Men or the Women Tell All,
which wasn't easy for you at all. And a lot
of that had to do with the twins, and the
twins kind of coming at you, and so let's pause
there and go into your life in the last four years.
And this is the me of the podcast that I'm
intrigued by, and I think our listeners are going to
be intrigued by. Olivia. There's a reason why it's not

(48:18):
easy for you to forgive Emily and Haley right now. Yeah,
And there's a reason we haven't heard from you, as
Chris Harrison said in for years. Why. I mean, I
think it's it's a combination of many things. I think

(48:38):
filming Women' tall all was super disappointing to me because
I was prepared for I don't want to get emotional.
It wouldn't be an in depth podcast if one of
us didn't cry, So everybody sorry. Um, I was prepared

(48:58):
to be attacked, and I knew it was coming, and
it just seemed like there was like a point where
it was like okay, go like go in, and it
just kept coming, and it kept coming, and they were
making all these faces like any time I tried to
say I'm sorry, they would like roll their eyes, and

(49:20):
I just felt like I was getting nowhere. And I
was also like, I don't even know why you're so
angry at me because I don't even remember like having
that many conversations with you, to be honest, like I
don't remember ever doing anything to you. And so as
I said to Ashley, that point where they're just saying

(49:41):
every single thing that I did wrong, and Leah Block says, well,
what about what you said about Olivia? And they said,
that's besides the point, like that what happened to me
didn't hurt me. That was when I was like, I'm
done with this interview, like want to I just want

(50:02):
to go home. I didn't even go to the party
after Women Tall, It just went home. Um. So I
had this theory. I have this theory I wrote about
my Cosmo article this week. I think there wasn't a
natural villain in Ben's season, and I feel like they
had to find someone to sort of villainize. And I
think that the twins were probably used as a channel

(50:29):
of creating a villain because they knew that they would
kind of say anything about anyone I agree with. I
don't even think they really cared about me that much.
I think that they just agreed to everything that was
asked of them. My I guess my my gripe with

(50:56):
them is that um, you know, especially theres they're reasoning
now is like, well, I was young, and I was stupid,
and I was looking for my fifteen minutes of fame.
And it's like, so you basically are saying that you're
like validating what you did to me by saying like,
I was young and stupid and just looking to be famous.

(51:17):
So I was like, I wanted to be famous, So
I had no problem just burying you. Well, yeah, because
and it sucks. That's because the truth of it all is,
for the last four years you felt buried like this,
this has this was not a past like for some

(51:40):
that come on the show. Our villains naturally I talked
a lot like you have. They have a little narcissism
in them, maybe a lot. Uh. They don't admit that
they're wrong. They don't believe that they're wrong. They can't
even see that they've ever even been close to being wrong.
For you, you knew you were wrong at times, but
you also we're open enough to feel the comments, the

(52:06):
concerns and the criticism. And so for four years you've
sat with your family like, how I guess this how
often Olivia is the show something you think about in
your life? The last four years. Oh god, I mean honestly,

(52:27):
I mean it comes up in my mind like on
a weekly basis, if not because like someone you know
says something to me, or like someone says, oh yeah,
my friend was asking if you're as crazy as you
really look. Like it's just it's like when someone googles
you and it's like ugly, right, Like I have this

(52:50):
on my mind all the time when I'm applying for
jobs and like googling me is like awful, or like,
you know, I work at Delta and people recognize me
and they say, like, well, like what was wrong with you?
Like it just like it runs into my everyday experience

(53:11):
and I've done my best to like forget about it,
but like I have this distinct recollection of like my
mom took me to a doctor after this show because
she was like, they're talking about your breath, Like I
think we should take you to a doctor. That is

(53:32):
so sad. How does it? I feel like I'm just
asking the same question over and over, but it's it's
the only one that makes sense right now, Like how
do how does this stuff make you feel? It's just
it's maddening that that people can just hurt other people

(53:56):
with like no remorse and like I didn't do everything right,
but I it just killed me to hear them behave
and say things that showed that they did not feel
bad at all. And now it's just conveniently coming around
again and so they get to say, we feel bad

(54:17):
and we're older now and we were just assholes back then.
I was an asshole on the show, and like, I
don't make excuses for that. I have. I have apologized
a jillion times for that. I don't rest my laurels
on that, you know, And so yeah, I don't know.

(54:40):
It's just if they were to have apologized somewhere in
the midst of this before the re airing, you would
have accepted as more genuine. Yeah. I found it to
be really bizarre that it happened like as the show
was airing and I was like getting attention, and yeah,
but what about us, I mean to my, I mean,
so like my, I guess the only comment would be

(55:03):
would be like the moment that I wanted to do
this with you, for you in the moment, it really
I mean, and I and I've told you this even
off uh privately on the phone. Is like I never
realized how hard it was for you, like I've I've
I guess like and that's in my immaturity of mine,
like naiveness was I never realized just how difficult this

(55:25):
was for you for the last four years, and so
your criticism of them could probably be the same for me.
Yes and no, because you didn't sit there and say, like,
how can I make fun of this girl and make
her into a villain just so I can be famous?
You know, you didn't ever go out of your way

(55:49):
to hurt me and um, and you know we we
did have like moments where we saw each other occasionally
over the years and you just said, like, how are you? Like,
I didn't hear anything except for them tweeting me a
couple of years later saying is she's still bitter about
all of this. So it's like there's a difference between

(56:13):
like saying a couple of things, like there's people who
said things on the show about me that you know,
we talked about it afterwards. Amanda and I have had
multiple grown adult conversations about what I said. We've had
multiple conversations and how do you guys stand today? I
know that it was fired up again last summer when
her book was about to come out. Yeah, I mean

(56:34):
the book. The book was hard, just because I was like,
at that point we had already kind of I thought
like buried the hatchet and so I was like, oh, wait,
this is coming around again. That's kind of you know whatever.
But but we have had multiple conversations and like we're
friends now. Like you can have conversations with people and

(56:55):
approached people and say yo, I was wrong and she says, yeah,
I'm sorry you felt that way, and we could like
become friends and life is good and I don't have
any hard feelings towards you. And it's like there's been
times where you know, I felt like I needed to
apologize to someone and yeah, maybe I'm like I don't
know how to approach them, and maybe they won't receive it.

(57:16):
Well you still do it. You find a way if
you really want to. So bringing up to date is about,
I don't know. A month ago, Olivia. I got a
text UM saying, hey, we're thinking about bringing Olivia on
the show. Um, she's super nervous about this. What do

(57:39):
you think? And I said, well, let me call her.
So we we just to give anybody some background here
Olivia and I spoke on the phone, um, just kind
of about what this could look like, not in terms
of anything more than you going on the show, like, hey,
should you Your question to me was can I trust them?
And my response was, yeah, you can ust them because

(58:00):
I don't think they want to see you get buried again.
I don't think that does anything for the show. I
don't think it does anything for their souls, for their life, Like,
I just don't see that ever being a good thing
here for them, right so after, Okay, so let's pause
here because during this conversation you had mentioned to me
that your sister and your mother definitely weren't in support

(58:21):
of you going on No, especially my sister, she's very anti.
I had to convince them to basically let me do
it at some point. So just because they didn't trust
the show or they were mad at the show. My
my sister hates the show, hates the show. You have

(58:44):
a lot of distrust against the show. And I think
it's not just because of what happened on ben season,
but what wasn't there some paradise. It's just stuff, you know,
flying me out to l A, which I probably would
have never done a show as it was because I
didn't really feel like I can just go back on

(59:04):
camera again, but it's like and just ghosting and then
like texting later, Like it's just all these things of
like I can't. I hate not being able to trust people,
and so it just drives me crazy that like I
there's just no trust and this this whole thing was
initiated as like let's try to like build that back,

(59:25):
but it's like it's very difficult. And so that was
like Ben was the one person to me who was like, yeah,
he's involved in this, but I do feel like he
at least kind of understands why I might be hesitant
about it, and so I, you know, I just had
to be like can I do that? And I called

(59:47):
several I called Ashley Spivey because she I mean Charlene.
I called Charlene and I just was like, guys, am
I insane for doing this? Like is this crazy? And
it was really it was a terribly difficult decision to
make because I just didn't want it again. I don't
want that again. Was anybody discouraging you besides your family? No,

(01:00:10):
everyone was like I feel like if this footage is
going to air again, and I've said this, like, you
don't want that to be the last anyone sees of you,
Like you're so well spoken and you're so different now
that at least like, please show up, even if even
if it looks terrible again, show up, because I do
think that Women Tell All was one of my better

(01:00:32):
episodes because it was just like me talking normally, and
so I just I had to put my faith in
them one more time and it was like the hardest
thing I've ever done. I was shaking. My hands were
shaking the whole time. I was like breathing, like before
Chris came on to film it, Like it just was

(01:00:56):
It's just not it's not natural for me because as
I said, like I don't want can't. I don't want
this like this isn't like yeah, I'm back on the show,
and that's not why I did this. So it's just
like why did you do it? Then? Why did you say? Yes? Um?
I mean mostly because I as as I said, like,

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I'm gonna take ownership of all of this always, and
so if you're going to air this stuff again, I'm
going to own it again. If you do it again,
in three years, I'll do it again, Like I'm not
going to be the person who just looks like an
ass and then just like doesn't at least respond to it.
That's not what I'm gonna do. That's what I'm not

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afraid of is taking ownership of what was shown. So
Jubilee was somebody who did deny the request. She did
not come on the show even though they wanted her to.
And I just before we close up this chapter, I
just kind of want to reiterate, you are probably the
old only quote villain that um in real life. When

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you meet you, you're just totally completely different. Most of
the other quote villains have an ego or have like
I don't even know what you would make of it.
I don't even know how you describe it now a
lot of words. Okay, I was gonna say, like most
of the villains actually don't even mind that they're kind

(01:02:28):
of villainized, jealous of them. Honestly, I wish I had
that attitude. I wish. And then you meet you in
real life and you're just like, okay, wait, something didn't
make sense here, Like she was made out to be
something that she just wasn't, and it's really unfair. You're
one of the very few exceptions that I find that
your edit was completely unfair. I mean, as I've said,

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did I behave like crummy at times? Did I have
foot in mouth syndrome? Yeah, the same hell yeah. But
I it was never my intention. I did not go
into that saying how can I make a splash like that?
It's not like, oh you and I stopped a couple

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of times. I did, but like we did own it,
and I feel like we were self aware of it,
you know, moments after it happened. But you know, they
have the footage. I'm sure. I'm like, damn it, they
got footage of that. It's over. Really just say that,
and I am, I dang it. Yea, yeah, I mean

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that's that's my only thing would be. I don't know
if your edit was so wrong as much it was
just highlighting the wrong things, like you know, like you
said what you said, You've owned that, you did, what
you've done, the differences your highlight reel was not was
not showing much of the romantic side, the sweet side,

(01:03:57):
the sensitive side, And that's really I mean, Olivia, And
here is where it all kind of came back last week.
And so for you, those of you who watched The
Bachelor goat. Last week, Bachelor twenty was highlighted Olivia came
on with an interview with Chris Harrison, and after speaking
with Olivia, I felt and and this is probably my

(01:04:19):
own issue, I felt control less because I was giving
you advice that I didn't really know it's true, like, hey,
I trust that they want to make this right with you.
If they're telling you that, I don't think they're going
to try to ruin you. And so the idea was
how can I help and how can I get control?
And it really was at that point after talking to you,
I went inside. I was in Indiana at the time,

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and I talked to my family and my fiance, and
I said, this girl is still hurting four years later,
like my only and I mean this, I don't claim
to have done this thing perfectly. And I know some
would argue that, like I know there's but like I didn't,
and you know that, and everybody knows that that's listening
to this The different is My only request was that

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when people came on the show, they would be glad
they did it. I got the heartbreak still might happen,
Like I got that people might leave broken hearted. Or
I got the people might leave not even caring if
they were broken hearted. I understood that part. But my
only request, my only hope, my only prayer, if you will,
was that people would leave going. I'm glad I did it.

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And Olivia was the only person that, now four years later,
I can look at and hear from and realize that
I don't know if she's glad she did it. I
don't know either, and I'm sorry about that, like I
still am. And I said it on TV no, and like,
this is just a moment again, and I didn't get

(01:05:44):
to fully explain this on television, but it is a
moment where it's like, it is sad, it does hurt.
You signed up for this, you gave it your best shot.
You're a good human, You're absolutely beautiful, and it brought
me so much joy last week seeing your name trending

(01:06:05):
on Twitter with like insanely positive things following you, like
only positive things. I was shocked. I don't know what
it's like to have people like watch me and like
me so that it was so insane and bizarre, and
I was like, wait, is this really happening. I've honestly
been in shock for like days, because I mean, oh,

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people like me. It's whoa, this is weird. Oh my god,
I don't know. I don't know what's going on because
they because they didn't edit your interview with Harrison and
it was just you and you know, Ben made it
made you feel better going into it, being like, I
do trust that it's going to turn out good for

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you this time. Do you have I have to ask
for the sake of the audience, Do you have a
more you have a bigger trust in the show for
maybe making you look more yourself if you were to
ever do it again, Like, is there any inkling of
Olivia that would be open to doing Paradise? Tell us here, Okay,

(01:07:13):
this is not me being cocky. I would only be
the bachelorette. I would never do Paradise. And so why
Ashley is convinced and this Actuley is convinced me that
Paradise is a really good thing. And I didn't think
so either three years ago when I started this podcast
with her. After three years, I see the benefit of
it completely romantically, Uh, in terms of freedom, all those things.

(01:07:37):
So many villainous characters have gone to Paradise and become
so beloved, but also vice versa. But you barely ever
see somebody double down now they never you never could?
But okay, sorry, why not, guys, I would never Okay,
I will say, like night Wane of Bencas in first

(01:08:00):
two weeks E been season, I was totally myself. Now,
whether that translated well or not, I'm not sure. But
I don't know if I could ever be that Olivia
on camera ever again. Like, I don't know if I
could just go into it and not be like, ah,
that cameras watching me, like what are they going to film?

(01:08:22):
You know? Like that. I don't know if I could
ever be like that again? Are you completely honest? My
concern is that for you as well, I think you'd
almost be too paranoid and too careful that you would
either be boring or like or I don't, I don't know,
you'd probably be boring because actually, if you have that concern,

(01:08:42):
that's why I shouldn't do it. I'm still shipping. The
idea of Olivia to Paradise is that the right word shipping.
Shipping usually people's ship with like another person, But you
can ship with Paradise. That's okay, you'll have to tell
me beforehand again and like try to like talk me over,
you know, through this thing, because look, I don't know,

(01:09:04):
I don't know. Well, the good news is I don't
think a Paradise season will film for another twelve months.
I think you will be considered, but we could have
many talks before then. All right, should we transition to
the fun part of our podcast? You have more things
to say? You had to close out here with Olivia Creedy. Uh,
we love you, Olivia. We're gonna move on to some

(01:09:25):
fun stuff. It was courageous of you, It was big
of you. I'm glad as a friend you did it. Um.
I know we have a lot of mutual friends. Brandy
Cyrus being one of those who has always loved you,
supported you, cared for you, um, and just lifted you
up in every conversation I've ever been with her and UM,

(01:09:46):
and so we have at you know, yeah, she's somebody
think here. But anyways, I want to close this part
with reading, um your Instagram caption and and then we
can go to commercial break. Uh. This is from Olivia.
When I got a call that season twenty a batchelord
bearing again, I was terrified. For the past four years,
I've been battering and forgiving myself, bettering and forgiving myself,

(01:10:07):
improving my mental health and kayaking home from the island.
That's good. The last thing I wanted was to regress
having said that I'll never let this footage air and
not take ownership. I would hate for that to be
the last anyone sees of me, because I'm far from
the person I was then. By doing this, I feel

(01:10:29):
so much lighter, like I really can let go, stop
hiding from the world and focus on what's meant for me.
You're going to fall flat on your face sometimes, and
that's okay. You're not defined by your past. You can
pick yourself up again, and you're not alone. It's brave
to ask for help if you need it, no matter

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what happens tonight, I love you all, and I'll go
through all the crumb again just to connect with all
of you. Embrace your growth that comes from all the
lessons and experiences. Sign the girl who still has the
largest mouth maybe every that's Olivia Creedy. Oh lovely, We'll

(01:11:13):
be back with Olivia Creedy here on the Almost Famous
in Death podcast. All right here, Olivia, this is the
most fun of the podcast that we have. We appreciate
you so far, Ashley, Uh, take it away. Okay, first off,

(01:11:34):
we want you to talk about your podcast. I think
you are a pioneer in bachelor podcast and I love
the shameless plug that you had on Monday night. You
said like I started my mouthing off podcast, and even
Chris Harrison like had a little giggle there. He was like,
she's going, we're gonna give you that. I love the
fact I think that you started a podcast because you're like, Wow,

(01:11:56):
people really didn't get to know the real meats the show.
So this is a way of me taking my passion
of journalism and storytelling and interviewing and adding in my
own personalities. People will get to know me as well.
So tell us how you came up with the idea
and what people can't expect they listen. Yeah, so the
podcast came about a year out of the show, so

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I was like, okay, I'm I'm a little better now,
let's find a way to to change people's opinion of me.
I knew that my following would be small but mighty,
but I was like, how can I claim the mouth?
And so I did a photo shoot with my My
jaw was like locked the whole time. But I just

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was like my mouth was wide open. And then from
the get go, I was like, I have to interview
reality stars and get to the meat of who they
are and what was going on, because I know what
it's like to feel like you weren't fully like in it,
you know what I mean? And so I I bring
on a lot of Bachelor villains because I just want

(01:13:01):
them to have an opportunity to talk the way that
I kind of didn't. Um, But I bring on people
from every reality show, so it's it's not just Bachelor people,
it's people from everything because I watch a lot of TV.
But it's like very interview style. It's not really that conversational.
This is me like putting my degree to practice and

(01:13:23):
like really getting to the meat of humans. And um, yeah,
so I just did it this week. It's fun. It
was it's it's um, it's fun. It's definitely a good
opportunity if if you've watched someone on TV and been like,
I don't know if I liked that person, you should
listen to them on my podcast because you might you

(01:13:43):
still might not like them, and you still might hate them,
but at least they tried or tell us what you're
doing for Delta too because you have multiple jobs. Yeah,
I have a few. I am obsessed with traveling, so
I was spending a lot of money traveling, so I
was like, how can I travel for free? So I

(01:14:06):
work at Delta. I'm actually unfortunately retiring though, because of
COVID and travel numbers and airlines are really struggling right now.
But it has been the most fun place that I
have ever worked. I work in the sky club, so
like a little bit more bouge. It's wonderful. Delta one,

(01:14:29):
Delta one, I get to fly sometimes I plan it
out very particularly so the life of a stand by flyer.
If I want to fly somewhere, I look and I
see when I can get into the front of the
plane because I want to lay down. I want to
lay flat. What's next? Then, if you're if you're done
with Delta, what are you gonna do? I want to
go get my masters, so Paradise, you know, I really

(01:14:58):
my number one is n y U. That's my goal.
That's where I wanted to go to undergrad and it
didn't work. So I'm like, let's make it happen for
graduate school. Um, but I'm applying to a bunch of schools.
I really want to go back to the classroom. It's
going to be fun, hopefully. What do you want to study?
Do you want to continue journalism? No, I want to
do marketing. So it's like, it's crazy. I realized, like

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over the last four years, I've basically like rebranded myself
and like marketed my podcast, and I was like, I
want to do this for a career. So yeah, anyway,
I find in the brain they're very closely related to
marketing and advertising as totally. Okay, you are you ready

(01:15:41):
for our speed round? Yeah, this is our favorite part.
I love this part. Okay, here we go, all right.
I try to taylor the questions a little bit towards
the person. Okay, food you're obsessed with for your big mouth,
French fries. Food you despise of seafood? Oh, seafood. Really

(01:16:03):
it stinks. Delta tricks that we should implement into our
travel bookings. Oh my um, don't buy basic economy tickets.
They suck. Don't do it even if they're cheaper by
the main cabin because when you want to make changes,

(01:16:25):
you can And also like go up to the person
at the counter who looks cool if you want like
a free bag or something, because I'm one of those people. Sure,
totally have it. I don't really care. Yeah, amazing, Yeah,
what is the guilty what's your guilty pleasure artist or
song on your iTunes or Spotify. Selene Dion, I wanted

(01:16:47):
to see her when we went to Vegas. We never did.
It pissed me off, Selene Dion, You shouldn't even feel
guilty about that, girl, and I don't. I didn't think
you did Titanic all day. Oh yeah, reality show that
is underrated and you think people need to give a try?
Is it underrated? Fiance? Okay No, I don't even know

(01:17:09):
if it's underrated, but I do think that it's gaining
speed with me. It is icon Nick, It is so good.
I want to be on it. Please my worst nightmare?
Um okay, last question for me, and then I'm going
to have Ben asked one speed round question because he
never does. Your favorite place in the world that you've

(01:17:30):
traveled and the place in the world that you think
has is overrated favorite Iceland, overrated Paris? Okay, all right,
I have my question. What is your favorite outfit that
you wore on our season of the Bachelor. Okay, I

(01:17:51):
have to um the my first night dress obviously it
was great. And then I love I really love that
swimsuit that I was wearing when I got dumped. Yeah,
so this is this is my final lightning around question.
How did you get home from the island. My my

(01:18:13):
sister was pissed that I said it was a tug
boat on my podcast because she says it was more
like a kayak. Like I was like, I had an
oar and I was just rowing and I was cold,
and it took me hours. We weren't close to land,
like we were pretty far out there. No, it was
like this. It was a little motor boat, like a

(01:18:35):
little fishing boat and the engine was like right, and
that nice. I got home five hours later. Nice, and
this podcast on a good laugh. That's right, You're awesome. Loved,
I I really do. Actually I both almost famous family.

(01:18:58):
I know, Um, because of the responses last week. Just
just want to see these next four years be a
bright light for you. Keep us updated on things. Um,
you are some I'm just really glad, Like I'm so
pumped that you had your moment um during the recap,
Like this is just the coolest thing. To celebrate alongside
of you and with you, And what a story you

(01:19:21):
have to tell. Hey, your loved Olivia, You're celebrated. That's
Olivia Creedy on the Almost Famous In Depth podcast Olivia.
We do this every time, so just follow our lead here.
I'll start with that. Everybody out there listening, Olivia Creedy
is one of the most iconic members of Bachelor Nation,
somebody we haven't heard from in four years, but we
are hearing from again and the best and brightest ways.

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She has somebody to be celebrated, somebody to love on,
somebody to make up for all the wrongs that we've
put her through for the last four years. Um, this
was a podcast that was long needed and I'm glad
it came with that. Uh. I've been Ben, Yeah, I've
been Ashley, and I've been Olivia CREDI. We'll talk to

(01:20:04):
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