May 28, 2025 • 33 mins
Our Bachelor Nation OGs Bob Guiney and Trista Sutter are going all the way back to Trista’s season and reconnecting with contestant Jamie Blyth!
Bob and Jamie relive the night they first met, and we hear the story of how the producers convinced Jamie to try and kiss Trista.
Plus, Jamie gets vulnerable and shares the secret he was hiding from the Bachelor Nation audience the entire time he was filming, and Bob reveals something he said to the contestants on his season that was cut, because it took away from his “prince charming” persona!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
It's just it's been so long, and I'm so excited
to get back in front of the mic and actually
bring it back to the OG's kind of really truly
bring it back to the ogs, obviously with my lovely
co host Bob Guinea, who is looking trim and tan,
and I'm very jealous about that.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Thanks. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
You know, when you're when you're our age and you
have a six year old and a three year old
and you find out your cholesterols for the roof, you
do whatever you can to get in shape fast. So
that that and a lot of travel has basically been
the gist of it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
But thank you. That's a very nice compliment. I appreciate it,
of course. And I've missed you, t Bone. I have
missed you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I know it's really been forever.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I mean, I know you're doing the I Do Part
two every so often, and I just I'm like, I
am just out in never never Land on an island,
just waiting. Just give me a call, pick me, pick me.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Well, I am so glad we're back, and I'm really
glad to be back. I mean, I I've been kind
of excited about this one for a while to have
basically you talk about ogs. This is about as og
as it's gotten for us on this show. Only well
obviously you and I are o G episode every day,
but when we had Ryan on, of course, that was
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that was about as og as it gets.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And then this one.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I mean, this dude was my partnering crime on your
season when we were on the Trista season of the
inaugural season of The Bacheorette, and it was incredible. I
don't know what either one of us would have done
without each other on the on the show. And I
leaned on him a lot, he leaned on me a lot.
But we were we were basically Mutt and Jeff in
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it through your season night one, literally from night one
until now. I mean, I am still He's the guy
I keep in the most touch with besides you, of course,
from from that season of the show, and we've remained
very very very good friends. And and he's he's we
always used to joke at that time, I said, gosh,
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with his face and everything else of me, we make
one really nice guy.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That was the only Jamie, because Jamie was just such
a hot mess.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
And we're talking about my buddy, Jamie blythe who is
a is a wonderful person, and we just would rip
on each other constantly and it was so much fun.
And we brought Ryan into that mix more than once.
Ryan and I would tease it with Jamie, and Jamie's
just so great.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
At taking it.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
But he's you talk about somebody who's overcome some stuff
in his life. You know, you wouldn't look at this
guy and think he has a single problem in the world, right,
But then you you get to know him a little bit,
and there's so much when you peel the onion, there's
so much more to him than he even gives himself
credit for. And he's really leaned into it. He's really
embraced it. And I love that and I love him
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for that, Yeah, I really do. But I think it's
gonna be such a fun reunion to have the three
of us together because the last time the three of
us were together, and I will bring this up, by
the way, I will bring up this story. I'll actually
say that, I'll say of it because I know you
know the story. He knows it really well. But I'll
never forget our beach date with Jamie.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Do you remember that one? Yes? I did?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Sure do.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You've told this story before, so it's not like our
listeners are going to be shocked.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But yes, it is a funny story. Okay, I think
he's in the waiting room, So are you ready to
bring him in?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I am. Let's do it. Let's do it, so, Trista.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Since the last time you've seen me, which might have
been like nineteen forty five, sometimes.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Briefly right after World War Two, I think little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, it's been a long time.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
It has been a long time. I've gained thirty pounds
since then. I bet you I'm bob. What are you
weighing on? I bet I'm two ten. I bet you
I got you beat.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You're two pounds heavier than me.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
There we go. It all came full circle. Buddy.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Let me just say this.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I cannot I've never tried harder to get someone on
this show in my life.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
You've never dealt with someone dumber.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
That's valid.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
That's what we've got.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
We've got dumb and dumber shop we do.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Oh lord, you guys need to get together for Halloween
and actually like dress up like dumming. Could you please
that could we do a Halloween episode.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
My son realized very early well COVID that I was
an idiot because Seema's very smart, she's great at math
as mother, and I was trying to do kindergarten maybe
first grade math.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
I'm like, I can't do that. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's really hard. Now, do you give yourself some credit?
Because the way that they teach math now, it's really hard.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I was going to say, it's not the old school math,
and you got to show your work, and like for
us showing our work, you'll end with the same answer,
but you got to do it in this different way,
which I'm going to have to tackle next year.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
I'll stick to the sports.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah good, I did exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Let the teachers do their job. You stick to basketball.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
How are you.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
It's probably been like corenty something years since, like we've spoken.
I bet something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
At least twenty years.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I mean, obviously you were at the wedding that was
will be twenty two years in December, but I feel
like we saw each other at some point after that.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I'm sure there was like some an event of some
sort that we saw each other for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
At my season premiere. Well, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
That's probably what it was.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
That would have been.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Do you have pictures from that, Bob?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I found some a while ago Andrew fire someone I
got a couple and sent them to me too, and
so I had a couple from that.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Hey, Bob, this is kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I was going through some old stuff here and you
won't be able to see this, but this is in
the Chicago Tribune or sometimes or one of those, and
it reads, Jamie blythe Bachelor, Bob was a lot funnier
when he was fat. And then they go, this was
I just saw this today. I was looking for some
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stuff and they say, do you detect a little jealousy
from bachelor at Jamie?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
So wait, you said that and they were ripping on you.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
They wrote that in the Tribune. So I thought you
would enjoy.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That, you know, I love that. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But you weren't wrong. I was funnier, and uh, you
know they just edited me. They edited me romantically.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
On the Batchel Oh yeah, yeah, I know, because when
you did when you did the Irish jig, that was edited.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah, I remember remember when we when we Uh, I
think you might remember this. By know Jamie will remember this.
So Jamie comes on, because you and I have talked
about this twist. But I remember I gave this speech
night one when I'm the bachelor, right, and I'm I
give this speech about you know, hey, ladies, this is
no prize, this is nothing to be upset about. In fact,
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I remember saying if you are sent home tonight, you're welcome.
The only the women will stay. I'm sorry, I remember
saying something like that, and and I was like, oh
my god, that's gonna be so great when they air that,
because that's truly how I feel.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And they don't air it. They only air like, you know,
the Prince Charming moments or whatever. And You're like, come on, man.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I even said, I was like a date with me
at home. We are not Hella choppering it into a volcano.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, no, no, my lady.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Friend, we are grabbing we are grabbing my my my
two speed chavette and we are cruising downtown Detroit.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You know, I was like, you know, I mean, it
was just but none of that, manut, none of that.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Me the air.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
So yeah, of course it came up.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
So you know what was so great was.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I was like absolutely just terrified to go on that show.
And I was the first guy out of the limo.
I'm figuring they're going to give me some direction. They
didn't tell me anything, so I just kind of got
out and it was sort of like kind of like dumb, dumber.
I'm just sort of looking around because there's like producers,
there's Trista, there's all these people, and I think they
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did two takes?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Did they?
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I don't know, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Oh my gosh, So wheat had you watched the show before?
Speaker 6 (08:44):
No? I had no frame of reference.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And you're obviously we know why you didn't want to
apply to the show or it was kind of out
of your comfort zone. We'll talk about that a little
bit later, but you know, you didn't think it was
something that you could do, So I'd love to know
why you did it. Like I, you overcame a lot
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of you know, mental stress.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
It was absolutely terrifying for me. So I was pretty
late in the game. I was actually at a I
think I was at a bar at Sunset for like
some sales award I had won, and Lisa Levinson was
there and she said, hey, you'd be great for the
show The Bachelor. Should they actually kind of leapfrog me
for the Bachelor? But Bobby, how much of a disaster
with that?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
About?
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Holy cow?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You would have been great dude?
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
But anyway, when I was you know, Bobby's heard the
story bunch. But when I was nineteen, kind of out
of nowhere, I had a panic attack. I was never
socially phobic. I never had a panic attack. I didn't
know what it was. I won't go through the whole
long story, but the long and short of it is
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my the biggest fear became people. So I literally had
clinical panic disorder in sociophobia. So it happened talking to
a person in college. I was probably one month in
and then kind of like anybody, but back, especially thirty
years ago, I didn't know what the hell it was. Right,
It's not like they talked about this stuff and it just,
you know, I thought it was a one time occurrence.
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I was talking to a buddy. It was in the morning,
maybe one month into school, and then I'm like, all right, well,
what the hell was that? And then I went to
class and I had to talk in class, and I
was always okay with it. I was never great at it,
but I was always okay with it, and all of
a sudden, I had a panic attack there, and you know,
I'm sure it was just a lot of stress from
college and just change and all these things going on.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
And then I left the.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Class and then everywhere I went after that, I had
a panic attack. So it creates avoidance, and then so
you know, I just I didn't leave my dorm room
for two weeks.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
And then my mom called me and she said, what's
going on.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
I broke down crying, and then she had had a
panic attack before, so she kind of knew what was
going on, which was thankful to me. I just thought
I was going crazy, right, and I didn't know it
was kind of that other people had this. I didn't
even know what it was.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
And then she was, you know, was trying to get
me to leave school and to pick me up to
go home, and I just, you know, knowing Bob knows
my personality, I'm a little hard headed, and I think
we all are a little bit. We're all fun but
hard headed probably at the same time. And I just
I there was part of me that I couldn't quit.
I didn't want to necessarily give into it. I didn't
know how to fight it, so ultimately I did. I
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made it through the year.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
But you know, if you fast forward through college, I
just sort of lived on the periphery where if you're
at a big school, you know you could You went
to Indiana, right and Bob, I know, you went to
Michigan State. So if you're at a big school, you
could kind of hang out in the back of class.
You don't have to talk that type of thing. So
my mom was a registrar to school, so she picked
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classes where I didn't have to do that. And I
made it out of college in four years by just
sort of isolating myself.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
I didn't go on dates.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
I didn't go on one date from nineteen to maybe
twenty four or five. And where I overcame it was
in sales. So there was a guy where I grew
up on the basketball court. I was always pretty comfortable
playing basketball, and he just he said, Hey, I'm doing
this startup tech company. Do you want to be one
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of my sales guys. And that's where I really dealt
with it. And it was the hardest thing outside of
maybe the bacherette, that I've ever done. But every day
you had to like a quote. If you didn't hit
it for one month, you were fired. And it was intense.
You had to do one hundred two hundred cod calls
a day, so I was getting exposure every single day
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to what I was afraid of. But the second week
on the job, we had to do this role play,
which is Bob, I know you were in sales and
maybe had to do some of this, But the president
was this typical kind of hard ass guy from a movie.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Glengarry Glenn ROSSI that type of guy.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yeah, yeah, And I mean you could put this guy
in the movie and he would be be the same,
you know. So he had it was on stage and
I had a role play with this guy, and I
was the last guy to go.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
There's probably one hundred people nowadays. I walked up there.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
I'm twenty one years old, trying to hide a panic
disorder that nobody knew I had, and I was trying
to control it to the best of my abilities. And
then I went up there and I was a toast.
I just started a panic right away, and I'm like,
I'm a fed right, And so what happened is you
just shut down, and it's kind of like if you
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know people what does it feel like if somebody put
a gun to your head randomly, like right now, you'd
feel fight or flight? Right it's light, so that's what
I felt. So it's just at the long time because
you're talking to a person. So your whole thing is, well,
I got to.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Leave, I got to escape. I got to get out
of there. And luckily the guy got a phone call
the last second and he said, hey, you got saved.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
You knew I was scared, and I was about to
break down, crying and just walk out and leave, and
then my mom picked me up. We went to dinner
and my face just fell in the past. I remember that,
just bawling, crying, and again it was you need to quit,
you need to quit, you need to quit, that type
of thing. No, I won't go through the whole story,
but that was where I overcame it. I worked twenty
four to seven. I never slept. I still don't sleep really.
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I probably slept an hour a night if that. And
I just worked on my presentation. I worked on everything
that you kind of need to do to confront beating
an anxiety disorder, which you don't really beat it. But
I was in the ring, so to speak, and then
it was very incremental. The people that I value were
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sports people, especially coaches. Rick Patino, I basically plagiarized its book.
I hope he never reads mine. He probably won't, but
I really took a lot of my philosophy from him.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
I read all the books, and you know, from therapists.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I saw therapists this sus great I needed, but they
didn't have an anxiety disorder, right.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
I wanted somebody that can I could relate to.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
And that kind of goes back to the show I'm doing,
where I'm interviewing people that didn't necessarily have an anxiety
disorder per se, but.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
I could relate to them. They had some sort of
adversity that they had overcome, and that's kind of the
universal thing for all of us. But going back to
your question really quick.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Sorry, going on the show was terrifying, but I had
incrementally sort of built myself to a place where I
could kind of face it. But if it was twenty two,
twenty three, twenty four or five years old, I couldn't
have done it. There's no way. I mean, I just
wasn't there yet. And I really wasn't there when I
did the show and so I didn't know what was
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going to happen. But the night before there was a
real concern that I was going to break down crying
on the show pan attack.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
That was a concern of yours, Jamie or the pretty.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Yeah, yeah, well I thought I thought I was going
to break down. Actually this goes back to you. You
saved my ass, but I'll go back to that. But yeah, no,
I thought I was going to break down crying with
a panic attack. But I was at a place where
I was willing to confront it. Yeah, and whether even
if I did that, even if and I knew the
cameras would follow me unexploited, I knew all that, which
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intensifies the fear right because if you're if you have panic,
the sort of social phobia, the last thing you want
to do is be the center of attention. You don't
want to be on a camera, you don't want lights
on you.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
You just want to escape and avoid.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
So my whole thing was confront and if I fail,
meaning public humiliation, great.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
I was at that place where I was kind of strong.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Enough to do that and kind of radical acceptance of
any outcome was what I was looking for. But it
was supremely hard. But when I got out of that
limo and I saw you, I made it quick. You
look you know it was you looked great. I said hi,
and I was on my way. And then I went
and sat in this mansion and I was kind of like,
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what the hell am I doing here? This is crazy?
What did I get myself into? I am like, I
am dead? And then this guy walks in. I can't
remember his name anything.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
It was Billy or something, you.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Know, talking to him, and he was sort of hyper competitive,
like if you wanted to win this damn thing, you
could just tell And I'm like, I don't know if
I want to be here.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
And then Bob walks in, like I think right after him.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Maybe I was. I was number three. I was number
three out of the law.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, I think Ryan was after you, right, Wasn't Ryan
the fourth?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
He was the last one out of the first limo?
Speaker 7 (17:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:39):
What was so great about what Bob did? I mean?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
It was it was honestly amazing because when you when
you look at how nervous I was, and then you
look at how and you'd have to tell me, Bob,
you didn't you were the opposite. You were having fun.
And I knew you were screwing with this guy. And
it was probably my favorite conversation of my entire life.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I told you I met him years later, didn't I. No, Okay,
go ahead, you tell the story and then and I'll
tell it.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
This is how I recall it. It was so long ago,
but I remember we're kind of all talking what.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Do you do?
Speaker 6 (18:10):
What do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
And uh and the guy who was trying to a
kind of badass and he's like, I'm a martial artist.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
And then you go, I'm also a martial artist.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I said, I too, am a martial artist.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Yes, And I knew you were screwing with him. And
I'm like, this is this guy really screwing up?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
This guy here, Like we just got in here and
I had been sitting in this damn mansion for like
an hour, and and the guy got kind of you know, competitive,
and he goes, what's your discipline? And you go, tybo,
and he goes, that's not a discipline. And you go,
do you tell that to Billy Blanks will kick your ass.
I mean, it was just the And then you push
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that guy out in the center of the ring, like
in the carpet when we were all there and you
told him to do the dance.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Do is like martial art moves in front of trista guys,
do it?
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Who was it?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
What's his name?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I think it was Billy right.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I have him in my phone and I will tell
you this.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Do you have it under martial artist?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I have that. I do have an under hold on
I'll tell you what I have it at.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
So, by the way, you know what. He was a firefighter.
His name was Billy Perlata.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Billy Billy. He went, he left the first night.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
He did Billy Peralta and he was a firefighter at
the time in l A. And now and now he's
in Louisville, or not Louisville, maybe he was in Ohio
or something. But he was at the derby and he
came over to me and he's like, man, I don't
know if you remember me or not, but I had
I had the best memories of you from that night.
And he's like, you told me that you did martial
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art with Billy Billy Blanks.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And I'm like, oh my god, I'm like I remember that.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yes, he was gonna kill me because he.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Pushed him into the thing and he was like, he
went like that and then he starts jumping around like
a monkey.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I think you cut him first.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well I cut him that night. That's not why I
think he was really young, really.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Young he was because he's super young now. I mean
he's still such a nice guy too.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And I'm like, oh my god, yes, I totally remember you,
and yeah, I do remember that.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Oh man, I have a question.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So after you know, obviously we can talk about the
show too, but afterwards, you know, they give you the
opportunities to speak to a psychologist. Did you ever consult
with a psychologist before, during, or after the show to
talk about before?
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I did, and I think I just lied about it.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
In retrospect, I think I was really intense for The
Bachelor because I was like, which, again, they have to
be smoking crack. But I was like, final four or
five for The Bachelor, they sort of leave frog me. Yeah,
and then so that was pretty obviously you guys went
through that.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
But yeah, for.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Aaron Burgee's season, you were being looked at for the
Bachelor for.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
That a season.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Yeah, remember, like, yeah, a few people that we would
both know that are pretty big names were vying for
it that I.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Won't mention their names, but why not mention their names?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
One of them is a friend of mine and he
went on a different show, Bill Rantick.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Bill Ransick.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yeah, Bill is such a First of all, love Bill
Ransick and he's a great guy.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I'll never get him bring it up to me.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
He's like, you know, they talked to me about The Bachelor,
and I was like, no kidding, and.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I didn't know the timing of it.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
And he's like, it would have been before you were
even on the Bachelorette and he's like yeah, And then
they came to me with a different show and he
was and I just felt like that show was more
my speed. And I'm like, yeah, I think you and
you ended up leinning it, you know, which is amazing.
You ended up learning the Apprentice.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
He's a he's a great guy.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Good, he's a friend of mine and yeah, obviously from Chicago,
but love that guy. The Apprentice would have been a
better show for me. But yeah, Tristan, they slide to him.
I never mentioned it. I was doing my best to
hide it and just to see what would happened. And
then I knew, like even at the worst of it
that you know, it sounds a cliche and kind of
(22:13):
cheesy or whatever, but I knew there was some growth
on the other side of just facing something that fearful
for me, I guess for you, like I was scared
out of my mind. So you guys both went through
the same thing. But Trista was the first Bacheorette ever. Yeah,
so it kind of goes back to like when I
reviewed Mike Tyson. I'm very interested in that because I
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know the night before I didn't sleep. I was outrageously
scared because of what I was dealing with. But you
guys were the batchleror bacheorette. What does that feel like
the night before? I mean, were you nervous? Did you
have any doubt? Did you have any fear?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Heck, yeah, yes, a lot.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
I mean I was.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I think I bet Bob would feel the same, and
I think certainly all the leads feel in a way
the same. I feel like you're really excited it for
the potential of, you know, your future, and then it's
also like, oh my gosh, what am I doing? Like
you said, I feel like that's probably a very common
sentiment with anyone who goes on the show, and then
(23:13):
I have to say, you know, you said, you know,
going through the worst of it. You know, after you
publicly announced that you had suffered and were suffering from
panic disorder, all I could think about was, oh, my gosh,
you were the biggest Why were you so.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Mean to Jamie?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Even though I didn't feel like I was mean to Jamie,
but I was. I was like, honest, But if I
had known that you suffered through panic disorder, like I
definitely wouldn't have been like, oh yeah, you can kiss me.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
You were I thought you were. No, I thought you
were great. Actually, know where it came out.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I think this is where because you know, I didn't
realize they had hidden mics everywhere.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Me and you were talking about something personal between both
of us, and I told you that in confidence.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
There I think, oh you did, okay.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I think so that's a guess.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Actually that does that does sound familiar now that you're
saying that show they have maybe on the during the
the SPA date. I don't know, maybe during the spot.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
So let's talk about that. That that date, So.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
If you want to talk about I'm sure it was
awful for you, but like that that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Was the full stop it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well, hold on, hold on, let's let this stage a
little bit here.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
So, okay, it's trist this season of The Bachelorette, right,
Jamie and I are on a date with Trista. I
want I want to tell the story that leads into
the story first.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
So we are to the beach. We're on the beach.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Well that was a different one, but yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Yeah, that was a different date.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
This was this was the full party.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, the sad was.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
The full party.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Right, so this was the first time that this something
of this nature may have happened, so I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I am standing there and I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
To do, and one of the producers says, well, hey, Bob,
you know, Trista came to us earlier today and said, god,
I really, I really, I feel like Bob's in the
friend zone and I really want them to kiss me.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And I'm like really, and they're like, oh.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yeah, and I'm like and I've gotten to know Trista,
We've got to know you really well at this point,
I feel, and I'm like, so you're telling me that
Trista walked up to you and said, man, today would
be the perfect day, if only Bob would come up
and try and put us tongue in my mouth and
they're like yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I'm like, yeah, no, hey, that did not happen. That
did not happen. And see, I'm not doing it. And
so I walk away and.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I'm like, we're on a group date with five guys
and she wants someone to try to make out with her.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't think so. So I walk over and I
grab two beers and I'm not even a big beer guy.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And I come walking back and I'm like, where's Jamie
And he goes, hey, you go back there. Jamie's out
there with Trista and I'm like, I look, and he
was Jamie leaning in for a kiss.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It goes Tristan little.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
He goes and he kisses around the cheek and I'm like,
my timing, My god, thank god.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
They went to him and I didn't listen, you know,
but he listened.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I think it's the wisdom that you had a couple
of years older. You're like, now, I'm not came up
and asked me too. It was just like the wrong time.
But even honestly, even that, I was like, yeah, I'll
try it.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
What the hell, but what I loved and this is
my favorite part. So at the end, now I'm second
guessing myself.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So we get in the limo and we're all going
to go home and I and we're all getting ready
to to a toast, and I go, hey, before we
say anything, I go, Trista, I want you to know.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know, here, we're on a date with five guys.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
I mean, Trista, you might not even remember this, but
I remember saying this to you. And the reason why
I remember it was because my best buddy Jamie's sitting
right next to you.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I'm at the end.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
He's like, in with you, and I go, you know,
if we're on a group date like this, and if
we aren't trying to be affectionate with you or anything, it's
out of respect for you.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I look at Jamie's like, and I go, but.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
If we are trying that, then maybe we have a
different connection.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
I saw you, so I'm like, or.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
You know, if we are trying, then maybe it's because
we have a different connection.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Then oh god, but you know, we all have so much.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Respect for you and we just don't want to you know.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
And I remember you saw my face and it was
just like a ghost.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Don't throw me under the bus, and then we are Okay,
So let's go back to the other one. So now
we're on the spa date again, Jamie and I together,
you know, the two of.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Course, we're in a we're in a hot tub. I
think half our relationship spend in a hot tub.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I love that you're saying half of our relationship yours
and bops.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I was gonna say, because ninety percent of the relationship
with Trista, for you, has been in the hotel.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Yeah, right, I have.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
To say I contracted ringworm in that hot tub, and
I should have told Trista, so it should like any
of the final suitors didn't.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Oh my god, whatever, this is his humor. He's kidding,
he's kidding.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Is that the Jamie we know?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
This humor is like trust me, trusted, he's kidding, he's kidding. Okay,
So let's cut back to the spa date and let's
go from there. Okay, because this is where this one
actually makes makes the uh. It does not get end
up on the cutting rom floor. This one makes it
into the season.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
So we're having a good time, like we're in the hotel,
there's me and you. I don't know who else was
in there, and you.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
All remember bout.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah Ryan was on that day too.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
That's amazing. So and Ryan was the best man. He
was awesome. I actually met him. He might have been
the first person I met. And I'm kind of like,
maybe this will be okay, because I was really worried
what type of person would be there. Yeah, and I
remember sitting in the I think I was in his limbo.
I want to.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Say we were all on the same level. We were
in the same level.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
So he was just so nice and normal, and I
remember he's saying he played football for the Panthers, and
he just seemed kind of like this humble, smart, nice guy.
So I'm like, wow, this is might be different than
what I thought. Anyway, So the producers come up to me.
I think we had a contest, Bob, and somebody's like,
whoever wins it has to you know, we're going to
do a massage with Tristan. Yeah, Trista, nothing against you,
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but I didn't want to have a pantic attack, right,
So it could have been anybody, and all I was
hoping I was praying it wasn't wasn't going to be
me because I don't want to have a panic attack.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
And then I won.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I got it. So now I'm like, oh my god, okay, massage.
What does that mean? I don't really know you yet, right,
So we're having a massage and I actually felt believe
it or not, Like I remember this. I felt okay.
And we were talking about basic stuff. Where are you from?
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Uh, just simple stuff family, which is a little odd
while getting massage in your basketball shorts. Right, So I
made it, and I made it through that, and I
remember being like, all right, I did it. I got through.
I'm done. Now I can go.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Back to Bob, like come to pop up, buddy.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
So I can go back to the hot top with
Bob and.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I can get ring worm.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Get ring worm.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
But like you did it and then went well, so
the other ring worms that's a problem. And then now
they're like, oh, you guys are going to get a shower,
and I just remember that that's when I had a
panic attack. I'm like, that's the fear of God? Like
what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Am I?
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Like what do?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
I don't even know what to do? Like I have
an Irish mother who's supremely Catholic. That's going to be watching,
and I'm like, so I go in the shower. I
trust that you were you were so nice, but I
was so afraid. I didn't know what to do. I
just started showering. I remember like washing my armpits and
like shampooing my head, Like.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Do you need any soap? What kind of soap do
you like? Do you like the shampoo first? You're like
the soap first, which like, but.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
That's not what makes That's not what makes it on
the air. What makes it on is Janie's interview.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
And then they slow it down, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Like the super slow motion of me, Like she goes,
you know, maybe you could like massage my shoulders. So
I basically just took a shower. Yeah, but Trisa, that
had it, but like you had to know. I got
that this is not going to work with this guy
obviously right after that shower.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Oh stop, no, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Tell him what you said, Jamie to get through the
dead rats things. I remember sitting there rubbing her shoulder
and she's so beautiful, and all I could think to
myself was dead rats, dead rats, dead rats, And it's
just like, what the hell.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
It might be? The new Viager commercial.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
You never know, so good, that's so funny.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
I remember feeling so uncomfortable, like for you, like doing
was that uncomfortable? They had to be uncomfortable for you,
but you probably don't remember because you're on a bunch
of them.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You know, honestly, it's not as uncomfortable. I was just like, Okay,
this is just what we're doing. But I I'm I
wasn't dealing with a panic disorder. So like you know,
from my mental position compared to yours was definitely very
very different. And I came from a very Catholic family too,
(32:29):
and so that's why background story. I was like, you know,
I'm not like the kissing bandit we're talking to right now.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'm not going to kiss everybody.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
Oh who who whatt.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
You? No? Stop?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So, so you know, I went into it thinking I
don't want to look like I'm, you know, a floozy
and a slug like they were calling me in the press.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I so much I was.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
I wasn't aware of that that people were saying that.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Oh yeah, actually I think Chicago was one of the
places that did an article. Anyway, anyway, whatever, it's all
in the past, it's all good. But That's where my
headspace was, you know, like I wanted to make sure
that I was very thoughtful about who I was, you know,
being more like physical with yeah, and I didn't want
(33:24):
to be physical with everybody.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
All right, Well, you know what, this is a great
time to take a quick break. We've got so much
more to talk about. So we are going to take
a quick break right now, and we'll be back with
more almost famous the Ogs our special guests Jamie blythe
This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
It's just it's been so long, and I'm so excited
to get back in front of the mic and actually
bring it back to the OG's kind of really truly
bring it back to the ogs, obviously with my lovely
co host Bob Guinea, who is looking trim and tan,
and I'm very jealous about that.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Thanks. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
You know, when you're when you're our age and you
have a six year old and a three year old
and you find out your cholesterols for the roof, you
do whatever you can to get in shape fast. So
that that and a lot of travel has basically been
the gist of it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
But thank you. That's a very nice compliment. I appreciate it,
of course. And I've missed you, t Bone. I have
missed you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I know it's really been forever.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I mean, I know you're doing the I Do Part
two every so often, and I just I'm like, I
am just out in never never Land on an island,
just waiting. Just give me a call, pick me, pick me.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Well, I am so glad we're back, and I'm really
glad to be back. I mean, I I've been kind
of excited about this one for a while to have
basically you talk about ogs. This is about as og
as it's gotten for us on this show. Only well
obviously you and I are o G episode every day,
but when we had Ryan on, of course, that was
(01:30):
that was about as og as it gets.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And then this one.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I mean, this dude was my partnering crime on your
season when we were on the Trista season of the
inaugural season of The Bacheorette, and it was incredible. I
don't know what either one of us would have done
without each other on the on the show. And I
leaned on him a lot, he leaned on me a lot.
But we were we were basically Mutt and Jeff in
(01:56):
it through your season night one, literally from night one
until now. I mean, I am still He's the guy
I keep in the most touch with besides you, of course,
from from that season of the show, and we've remained
very very very good friends. And and he's he's we
always used to joke at that time, I said, gosh,
(02:17):
with his face and everything else of me, we make
one really nice guy.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That was the only Jamie, because Jamie was just such
a hot mess.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
And we're talking about my buddy, Jamie blythe who is
a is a wonderful person, and we just would rip
on each other constantly and it was so much fun.
And we brought Ryan into that mix more than once.
Ryan and I would tease it with Jamie, and Jamie's
just so great.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
At taking it.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
But he's you talk about somebody who's overcome some stuff
in his life. You know, you wouldn't look at this
guy and think he has a single problem in the world, right,
But then you you get to know him a little bit,
and there's so much when you peel the onion, there's
so much more to him than he even gives himself
credit for. And he's really leaned into it. He's really
embraced it. And I love that and I love him
(03:10):
for that, Yeah, I really do. But I think it's
gonna be such a fun reunion to have the three
of us together because the last time the three of
us were together, and I will bring this up, by
the way, I will bring up this story. I'll actually
say that, I'll say of it because I know you
know the story. He knows it really well. But I'll
never forget our beach date with Jamie.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Do you remember that one? Yes? I did?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Sure do.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You've told this story before, so it's not like our
listeners are going to be shocked.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But yes, it is a funny story. Okay, I think
he's in the waiting room, So are you ready to
bring him in?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I am. Let's do it. Let's do it, so, Trista.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Since the last time you've seen me, which might have
been like nineteen forty five, sometimes.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Briefly right after World War Two, I think little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, it's been a long time.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
It has been a long time. I've gained thirty pounds
since then. I bet you I'm bob. What are you
weighing on? I bet I'm two ten. I bet you
I got you beat.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You're two pounds heavier than me.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
There we go. It all came full circle. Buddy.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Let me just say this.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I cannot I've never tried harder to get someone on
this show in my life.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
You've never dealt with someone dumber.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
That's valid.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
That's what we've got.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
We've got dumb and dumber shop we do.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Oh lord, you guys need to get together for Halloween
and actually like dress up like dumming. Could you please
that could we do a Halloween episode.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
My son realized very early well COVID that I was
an idiot because Seema's very smart, she's great at math
as mother, and I was trying to do kindergarten maybe
first grade math.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
I'm like, I can't do that. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's really hard. Now, do you give yourself some credit?
Because the way that they teach math now, it's really hard.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I was going to say, it's not the old school math,
and you got to show your work, and like for
us showing our work, you'll end with the same answer,
but you got to do it in this different way,
which I'm going to have to tackle next year.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
I'll stick to the sports.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah good, I did exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Let the teachers do their job. You stick to basketball.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
How are you.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
It's probably been like corenty something years since, like we've spoken.
I bet something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
At least twenty years.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I mean, obviously you were at the wedding that was
will be twenty two years in December, but I feel
like we saw each other at some point after that.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I'm sure there was like some an event of some
sort that we saw each other for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
At my season premiere. Well, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
That's probably what it was.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
That would have been.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Do you have pictures from that, Bob?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I found some a while ago Andrew fire someone I
got a couple and sent them to me too, and
so I had a couple from that.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Hey, Bob, this is kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I was going through some old stuff here and you
won't be able to see this, but this is in
the Chicago Tribune or sometimes or one of those, and
it reads, Jamie blythe Bachelor, Bob was a lot funnier
when he was fat. And then they go, this was
I just saw this today. I was looking for some
(06:22):
stuff and they say, do you detect a little jealousy
from bachelor at Jamie?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
So wait, you said that and they were ripping on you.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
They wrote that in the Tribune. So I thought you
would enjoy.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That, you know, I love that. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But you weren't wrong. I was funnier, and uh, you
know they just edited me. They edited me romantically.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
On the Batchel Oh yeah, yeah, I know, because when
you did when you did the Irish jig, that was edited.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah, I remember remember when we when we Uh, I
think you might remember this. By know Jamie will remember this.
So Jamie comes on, because you and I have talked
about this twist. But I remember I gave this speech
night one when I'm the bachelor, right, and I'm I
give this speech about you know, hey, ladies, this is
no prize, this is nothing to be upset about. In fact,
(07:14):
I remember saying if you are sent home tonight, you're welcome.
The only the women will stay. I'm sorry, I remember
saying something like that, and and I was like, oh
my god, that's gonna be so great when they air that,
because that's truly how I feel.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And they don't air it. They only air like, you know,
the Prince Charming moments or whatever. And You're like, come on, man.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I even said, I was like a date with me
at home. We are not Hella choppering it into a volcano.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, no, no, my lady.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Friend, we are grabbing we are grabbing my my my
two speed chavette and we are cruising downtown Detroit.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You know, I was like, you know, I mean, it
was just but none of that, manut, none of that.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Me the air.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
So yeah, of course it came up.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
So you know what was so great was.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I was like absolutely just terrified to go on that show.
And I was the first guy out of the limo.
I'm figuring they're going to give me some direction. They
didn't tell me anything, so I just kind of got
out and it was sort of like kind of like dumb, dumber.
I'm just sort of looking around because there's like producers,
there's Trista, there's all these people, and I think they
(08:36):
did two takes?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Did they?
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I don't know, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Oh my gosh, So wheat had you watched the show before?
Speaker 6 (08:44):
No? I had no frame of reference.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And you're obviously we know why you didn't want to
apply to the show or it was kind of out
of your comfort zone. We'll talk about that a little
bit later, but you know, you didn't think it was
something that you could do, So I'd love to know
why you did it. Like I, you overcame a lot
(09:09):
of you know, mental stress.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
It was absolutely terrifying for me. So I was pretty
late in the game. I was actually at a I
think I was at a bar at Sunset for like
some sales award I had won, and Lisa Levinson was
there and she said, hey, you'd be great for the
show The Bachelor. Should they actually kind of leapfrog me
for the Bachelor? But Bobby, how much of a disaster
with that?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
About?
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Holy cow?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You would have been great dude?
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
But anyway, when I was you know, Bobby's heard the
story bunch. But when I was nineteen, kind of out
of nowhere, I had a panic attack. I was never
socially phobic. I never had a panic attack. I didn't
know what it was. I won't go through the whole
long story, but the long and short of it is
(09:59):
my the biggest fear became people. So I literally had
clinical panic disorder in sociophobia. So it happened talking to
a person in college. I was probably one month in
and then kind of like anybody, but back, especially thirty
years ago, I didn't know what the hell it was. Right,
It's not like they talked about this stuff and it just,
you know, I thought it was a one time occurrence.
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I was talking to a buddy. It was in the morning,
maybe one month into school, and then I'm like, all right, well,
what the hell was that? And then I went to
class and I had to talk in class, and I
was always okay with it. I was never great at it,
but I was always okay with it, and all of
a sudden, I had a panic attack there, and you know,
I'm sure it was just a lot of stress from
college and just change and all these things going on.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
And then I left the.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Class and then everywhere I went after that, I had
a panic attack. So it creates avoidance, and then so
you know, I just I didn't leave my dorm room
for two weeks.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
And then my mom called me and she said, what's
going on.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
I broke down crying, and then she had had a
panic attack before, so she kind of knew what was
going on, which was thankful to me. I just thought
I was going crazy, right, and I didn't know it
was kind of that other people had this. I didn't
even know what it was.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
And then she was, you know, was trying to get
me to leave school and to pick me up to
go home, and I just, you know, knowing Bob knows
my personality, I'm a little hard headed, and I think
we all are a little bit. We're all fun but
hard headed probably at the same time. And I just
I there was part of me that I couldn't quit.
I didn't want to necessarily give into it. I didn't
know how to fight it, so ultimately I did. I
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made it through the year.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
But you know, if you fast forward through college, I
just sort of lived on the periphery where if you're
at a big school, you know you could You went
to Indiana, right and Bob, I know, you went to
Michigan State. So if you're at a big school, you
could kind of hang out in the back of class.
You don't have to talk that type of thing. So
my mom was a registrar to school, so she picked
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classes where I didn't have to do that. And I
made it out of college in four years by just
sort of isolating myself.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
I didn't go on dates.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
I didn't go on one date from nineteen to maybe
twenty four or five. And where I overcame it was
in sales. So there was a guy where I grew
up on the basketball court. I was always pretty comfortable
playing basketball, and he just he said, Hey, I'm doing
this startup tech company. Do you want to be one
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of my sales guys. And that's where I really dealt
with it. And it was the hardest thing outside of
maybe the bacherette, that I've ever done. But every day
you had to like a quote. If you didn't hit
it for one month, you were fired. And it was intense.
You had to do one hundred two hundred cod calls
a day, so I was getting exposure every single day
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to what I was afraid of. But the second week
on the job, we had to do this role play,
which is Bob, I know you were in sales and
maybe had to do some of this, But the president
was this typical kind of hard ass guy from a movie.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Glengarry Glenn ROSSI that type of guy.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yeah, yeah, And I mean you could put this guy
in the movie and he would be be the same,
you know. So he had it was on stage and
I had a role play with this guy, and I
was the last guy to go.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
There's probably one hundred people nowadays. I walked up there.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
I'm twenty one years old, trying to hide a panic
disorder that nobody knew I had, and I was trying
to control it to the best of my abilities. And
then I went up there and I was a toast.
I just started a panic right away, and I'm like,
I'm a fed right, And so what happened is you
just shut down, and it's kind of like if you
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know people what does it feel like if somebody put
a gun to your head randomly, like right now, you'd
feel fight or flight? Right it's light, so that's what
I felt. So it's just at the long time because
you're talking to a person. So your whole thing is, well,
I got to.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Leave, I got to escape. I got to get out
of there. And luckily the guy got a phone call
the last second and he said, hey, you got saved.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
You knew I was scared, and I was about to
break down, crying and just walk out and leave, and
then my mom picked me up. We went to dinner
and my face just fell in the past. I remember that,
just bawling, crying, and again it was you need to quit,
you need to quit, you need to quit, that type
of thing. No, I won't go through the whole story,
but that was where I overcame it. I worked twenty
four to seven. I never slept. I still don't sleep really.
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I probably slept an hour a night if that. And
I just worked on my presentation. I worked on everything
that you kind of need to do to confront beating
an anxiety disorder, which you don't really beat it. But
I was in the ring, so to speak, and then
it was very incremental. The people that I value were
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sports people, especially coaches. Rick Patino, I basically plagiarized its book.
I hope he never reads mine. He probably won't, but
I really took a lot of my philosophy from him.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
I read all the books, and you know, from therapists.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I saw therapists this sus great I needed, but they
didn't have an anxiety disorder, right.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
I wanted somebody that can I could relate to.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
And that kind of goes back to the show I'm doing,
where I'm interviewing people that didn't necessarily have an anxiety
disorder per se, but.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
I could relate to them. They had some sort of
adversity that they had overcome, and that's kind of the
universal thing for all of us. But going back to
your question really quick.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Sorry, going on the show was terrifying, but I had
incrementally sort of built myself to a place where I
could kind of face it. But if it was twenty two,
twenty three, twenty four or five years old, I couldn't
have done it. There's no way. I mean, I just
wasn't there yet. And I really wasn't there when I
did the show and so I didn't know what was
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going to happen. But the night before there was a
real concern that I was going to break down crying
on the show pan attack.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
That was a concern of yours, Jamie or the pretty.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Yeah, yeah, well I thought I thought I was going
to break down. Actually this goes back to you. You
saved my ass, but I'll go back to that. But yeah, no,
I thought I was going to break down crying with
a panic attack. But I was at a place where
I was willing to confront it. Yeah, and whether even
if I did that, even if and I knew the
cameras would follow me unexploited, I knew all that, which
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intensifies the fear right because if you're if you have panic,
the sort of social phobia, the last thing you want
to do is be the center of attention. You don't
want to be on a camera, you don't want lights
on you.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
You just want to escape and avoid.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
So my whole thing was confront and if I fail,
meaning public humiliation, great.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
I was at that place where I was kind of strong.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Enough to do that and kind of radical acceptance of
any outcome was what I was looking for. But it
was supremely hard. But when I got out of that
limo and I saw you, I made it quick. You
look you know it was you looked great. I said hi,
and I was on my way. And then I went
and sat in this mansion and I was kind of like,
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what the hell am I doing here? This is crazy?
What did I get myself into? I am like, I
am dead? And then this guy walks in. I can't
remember his name anything.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
It was Billy or something, you.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Know, talking to him, and he was sort of hyper competitive,
like if you wanted to win this damn thing, you
could just tell And I'm like, I don't know if
I want to be here.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
And then Bob walks in, like I think right after him.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Maybe I was. I was number three. I was number
three out of the law.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, I think Ryan was after you, right, Wasn't Ryan
the fourth?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
He was the last one out of the first limo?
Speaker 7 (17:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:39):
What was so great about what Bob did? I mean?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
It was it was honestly amazing because when you when
you look at how nervous I was, and then you
look at how and you'd have to tell me, Bob,
you didn't you were the opposite. You were having fun.
And I knew you were screwing with this guy. And
it was probably my favorite conversation of my entire life.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I told you I met him years later, didn't I. No, Okay,
go ahead, you tell the story and then and I'll
tell it.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
This is how I recall it. It was so long ago,
but I remember we're kind of all talking what.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Do you do?
Speaker 6 (18:10):
What do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
And uh and the guy who was trying to a
kind of badass and he's like, I'm a martial artist.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
And then you go, I'm also a martial artist.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I said, I too, am a martial artist.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Yes, And I knew you were screwing with him. And
I'm like, this is this guy really screwing up?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
This guy here, Like we just got in here and
I had been sitting in this damn mansion for like
an hour, and and the guy got kind of you know, competitive,
and he goes, what's your discipline? And you go, tybo,
and he goes, that's not a discipline. And you go,
do you tell that to Billy Blanks will kick your ass.
I mean, it was just the And then you push
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that guy out in the center of the ring, like
in the carpet when we were all there and you
told him to do the dance.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Do is like martial art moves in front of trista guys,
do it?
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Who was it?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
What's his name?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I think it was Billy right.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I have him in my phone and I will tell
you this.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Do you have it under martial artist?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I have that. I do have an under hold on
I'll tell you what I have it at.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
So, by the way, you know what. He was a firefighter.
His name was Billy Perlata.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Billy Billy. He went, he left the first night.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
He did Billy Peralta and he was a firefighter at
the time in l A. And now and now he's
in Louisville, or not Louisville, maybe he was in Ohio
or something. But he was at the derby and he
came over to me and he's like, man, I don't
know if you remember me or not, but I had
I had the best memories of you from that night.
And he's like, you told me that you did martial
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art with Billy Billy Blanks.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And I'm like, oh my god, I'm like I remember that.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yes, he was gonna kill me because he.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Pushed him into the thing and he was like, he
went like that and then he starts jumping around like
a monkey.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I think you cut him first.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well I cut him that night. That's not why I
think he was really young, really.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Young he was because he's super young now. I mean
he's still such a nice guy too.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And I'm like, oh my god, yes, I totally remember you,
and yeah, I do remember that.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Oh man, I have a question.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So after you know, obviously we can talk about the
show too, but afterwards, you know, they give you the
opportunities to speak to a psychologist. Did you ever consult
with a psychologist before, during, or after the show to
talk about before?
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I did, and I think I just lied about it.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
In retrospect, I think I was really intense for The
Bachelor because I was like, which, again, they have to
be smoking crack. But I was like, final four or
five for The Bachelor, they sort of leave frog me. Yeah,
and then so that was pretty obviously you guys went
through that.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
But yeah, for.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Aaron Burgee's season, you were being looked at for the
Bachelor for.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
That a season.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Yeah, remember, like, yeah, a few people that we would
both know that are pretty big names were vying for
it that I.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Won't mention their names, but why not mention their names?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
One of them is a friend of mine and he
went on a different show, Bill Rantick.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Bill Ransick.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yeah, Bill is such a First of all, love Bill
Ransick and he's a great guy.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I'll never get him bring it up to me.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
He's like, you know, they talked to me about The Bachelor,
and I was like, no kidding, and.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I didn't know the timing of it.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
And he's like, it would have been before you were
even on the Bachelorette and he's like yeah, And then
they came to me with a different show and he
was and I just felt like that show was more
my speed. And I'm like, yeah, I think you and
you ended up leinning it, you know, which is amazing.
You ended up learning the Apprentice.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
He's a he's a great guy.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Good, he's a friend of mine and yeah, obviously from Chicago,
but love that guy. The Apprentice would have been a
better show for me. But yeah, Tristan, they slide to him.
I never mentioned it. I was doing my best to
hide it and just to see what would happened. And
then I knew, like even at the worst of it
that you know, it sounds a cliche and kind of
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cheesy or whatever, but I knew there was some growth
on the other side of just facing something that fearful
for me, I guess for you, like I was scared
out of my mind. So you guys both went through
the same thing. But Trista was the first Bacheorette ever. Yeah,
so it kind of goes back to like when I
reviewed Mike Tyson. I'm very interested in that because I
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know the night before I didn't sleep. I was outrageously
scared because of what I was dealing with. But you
guys were the batchleror bacheorette. What does that feel like
the night before? I mean, were you nervous? Did you
have any doubt? Did you have any fear?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Heck, yeah, yes, a lot.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
I mean I was.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I think I bet Bob would feel the same, and
I think certainly all the leads feel in a way
the same. I feel like you're really excited it for
the potential of, you know, your future, and then it's
also like, oh my gosh, what am I doing? Like
you said, I feel like that's probably a very common
sentiment with anyone who goes on the show, and then
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I have to say, you know, you said, you know,
going through the worst of it. You know, after you
publicly announced that you had suffered and were suffering from
panic disorder, all I could think about was, oh, my gosh,
you were the biggest Why were you so.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Mean to Jamie?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Even though I didn't feel like I was mean to Jamie,
but I was. I was like, honest, But if I
had known that you suffered through panic disorder, like I
definitely wouldn't have been like, oh yeah, you can kiss me.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
You were I thought you were. No, I thought you
were great. Actually, know where it came out.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I think this is where because you know, I didn't
realize they had hidden mics everywhere.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Me and you were talking about something personal between both
of us, and I told you that in confidence.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
There I think, oh you did, okay.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I think so that's a guess.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Actually that does that does sound familiar now that you're
saying that show they have maybe on the during the
the SPA date. I don't know, maybe during the spot.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
So let's talk about that. That that date, So.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
If you want to talk about I'm sure it was
awful for you, but like that that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Was the full stop it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well, hold on, hold on, let's let this stage a
little bit here.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
So, okay, it's trist this season of The Bachelorette, right,
Jamie and I are on a date with Trista. I
want I want to tell the story that leads into
the story first.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
So we are to the beach. We're on the beach.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Well that was a different one, but yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Yeah, that was a different date.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
This was this was the full party.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, the sad was.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
The full party.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Right, so this was the first time that this something
of this nature may have happened, so I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I am standing there and I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
To do, and one of the producers says, well, hey, Bob,
you know, Trista came to us earlier today and said, god,
I really, I really, I feel like Bob's in the
friend zone and I really want them to kiss me.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And I'm like really, and they're like, oh.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yeah, and I'm like and I've gotten to know Trista,
We've got to know you really well at this point,
I feel, and I'm like, so you're telling me that
Trista walked up to you and said, man, today would
be the perfect day, if only Bob would come up
and try and put us tongue in my mouth and
they're like yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I'm like, yeah, no, hey, that did not happen. That
did not happen. And see, I'm not doing it. And
so I walk away and.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I'm like, we're on a group date with five guys
and she wants someone to try to make out with her.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't think so. So I walk over and I
grab two beers and I'm not even a big beer guy.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And I come walking back and I'm like, where's Jamie
And he goes, hey, you go back there. Jamie's out
there with Trista and I'm like, I look, and he
was Jamie leaning in for a kiss.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It goes Tristan little.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
He goes and he kisses around the cheek and I'm like,
my timing, My god, thank god.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
They went to him and I didn't listen, you know,
but he listened.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I think it's the wisdom that you had a couple
of years older. You're like, now, I'm not came up
and asked me too. It was just like the wrong time.
But even honestly, even that, I was like, yeah, I'll
try it.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
What the hell, but what I loved and this is
my favorite part. So at the end, now I'm second
guessing myself.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So we get in the limo and we're all going
to go home and I and we're all getting ready
to to a toast, and I go, hey, before we
say anything, I go, Trista, I want you to know.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know, here, we're on a date with five guys.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
I mean, Trista, you might not even remember this, but
I remember saying this to you. And the reason why
I remember it was because my best buddy Jamie's sitting
right next to you.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I'm at the end.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
He's like, in with you, and I go, you know,
if we're on a group date like this, and if
we aren't trying to be affectionate with you or anything, it's
out of respect for you.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I look at Jamie's like, and I go, but.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
If we are trying that, then maybe we have a
different connection.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
I saw you, so I'm like, or.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
You know, if we are trying, then maybe it's because
we have a different connection.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Then oh god, but you know, we all have so much.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Respect for you and we just don't want to you know.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
And I remember you saw my face and it was
just like a ghost.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Don't throw me under the bus, and then we are Okay,
So let's go back to the other one. So now
we're on the spa date again, Jamie and I together,
you know, the two of.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Course, we're in a we're in a hot tub. I
think half our relationship spend in a hot tub.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I love that you're saying half of our relationship yours
and bops.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I was gonna say, because ninety percent of the relationship
with Trista, for you, has been in the hotel.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Yeah, right, I have.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
To say I contracted ringworm in that hot tub, and
I should have told Trista, so it should like any
of the final suitors didn't.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Oh my god, whatever, this is his humor. He's kidding,
he's kidding.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Is that the Jamie we know?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
This humor is like trust me, trusted, he's kidding, he's kidding. Okay,
So let's cut back to the spa date and let's
go from there. Okay, because this is where this one
actually makes makes the uh. It does not get end
up on the cutting rom floor. This one makes it
into the season.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
So we're having a good time, like we're in the hotel,
there's me and you. I don't know who else was
in there, and you.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
All remember bout.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah Ryan was on that day too.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
That's amazing. So and Ryan was the best man. He
was awesome. I actually met him. He might have been
the first person I met. And I'm kind of like,
maybe this will be okay, because I was really worried
what type of person would be there. Yeah, and I
remember sitting in the I think I was in his limbo.
I want to.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Say we were all on the same level. We were
in the same level.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
So he was just so nice and normal, and I
remember he's saying he played football for the Panthers, and
he just seemed kind of like this humble, smart, nice guy.
So I'm like, wow, this is might be different than
what I thought. Anyway, So the producers come up to me.
I think we had a contest, Bob, and somebody's like,
whoever wins it has to you know, we're going to
do a massage with Tristan. Yeah, Trista, nothing against you,
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but I didn't want to have a pantic attack, right,
So it could have been anybody, and all I was
hoping I was praying it wasn't wasn't going to be
me because I don't want to have a panic attack.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
And then I won.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I got it. So now I'm like, oh my god, okay, massage.
What does that mean? I don't really know you yet, right,
So we're having a massage and I actually felt believe
it or not, Like I remember this. I felt okay.
And we were talking about basic stuff. Where are you from?
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Uh, just simple stuff family, which is a little odd
while getting massage in your basketball shorts. Right, So I
made it, and I made it through that, and I
remember being like, all right, I did it. I got through.
I'm done. Now I can go.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Back to Bob, like come to pop up, buddy.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
So I can go back to the hot top with
Bob and.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I can get ring worm.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Get ring worm.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
But like you did it and then went well, so
the other ring worms that's a problem. And then now
they're like, oh, you guys are going to get a shower,
and I just remember that that's when I had a
panic attack. I'm like, that's the fear of God? Like
what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Am I?
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Like what do?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
I don't even know what to do? Like I have
an Irish mother who's supremely Catholic. That's going to be watching,
and I'm like, so I go in the shower. I
trust that you were you were so nice, but I
was so afraid. I didn't know what to do. I
just started showering. I remember like washing my armpits and
like shampooing my head, Like.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Do you need any soap? What kind of soap do
you like? Do you like the shampoo first? You're like
the soap first, which like, but.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
That's not what makes That's not what makes it on
the air. What makes it on is Janie's interview.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
And then they slow it down, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Like the super slow motion of me, Like she goes,
you know, maybe you could like massage my shoulders. So
I basically just took a shower. Yeah, but Trisa, that
had it, but like you had to know. I got
that this is not going to work with this guy
obviously right after that shower.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Oh stop, no, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Tell him what you said, Jamie to get through the
dead rats things. I remember sitting there rubbing her shoulder
and she's so beautiful, and all I could think to
myself was dead rats, dead rats, dead rats, And it's
just like, what the hell.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
It might be? The new Viager commercial.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
You never know, so good, that's so funny.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
I remember feeling so uncomfortable, like for you, like doing
was that uncomfortable? They had to be uncomfortable for you,
but you probably don't remember because you're on a bunch
of them.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You know, honestly, it's not as uncomfortable. I was just like, Okay,
this is just what we're doing. But I I'm I
wasn't dealing with a panic disorder. So like you know,
from my mental position compared to yours was definitely very
very different. And I came from a very Catholic family too,
(32:29):
and so that's why background story. I was like, you know,
I'm not like the kissing bandit we're talking to right now.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'm not going to kiss everybody.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
Oh who who whatt.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
You? No? Stop?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So, so you know, I went into it thinking I
don't want to look like I'm, you know, a floozy
and a slug like they were calling me in the press.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I so much I was.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
I wasn't aware of that that people were saying that.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Oh yeah, actually I think Chicago was one of the
places that did an article. Anyway, anyway, whatever, it's all
in the past, it's all good. But That's where my
headspace was, you know, like I wanted to make sure
that I was very thoughtful about who I was, you know,
being more like physical with yeah, and I didn't want
(33:24):
to be physical with everybody.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
All right, Well, you know what, this is a great
time to take a quick break. We've got so much
more to talk about. So we are going to take
a quick break right now, and we'll be back with
more almost famous the Ogs our special guests Jamie blythe
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