May 30, 2025 • 31 mins
Our conversation with Jamie Blyth from Trista’s season continues! Jamie reflects on how social media has changed the franchise, and if he would have even done the show if social was as big back then.
Plus, Trista opens up about her personal experience with panic attacks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio. We're back
almost famous to OG's and we are having such a
great time with Jamie Blythe, who was, of course my
partner in crime on Trista's season of the Bachelorette. So
let's get back into it.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I just want to take this opportunity to say, I
am so sorry. I wish I would have like going
back the things that I like said, you know, like
oh yeah, oh, And our producer said that in an article.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
She said that at one point in the show.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
And I don't know if you remember this, Jamie, because
I don't remember it. My memory sucks, so anyway, I
don't remember it. But it's said in the article that
you called me Tricia and then you said do you
like golf? And I was like, my name is Trista,
and no, I don't like golf.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I remember that story.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I remember thinking, I thought said I might eve even
said something to the effect of I felt like you
might like he might have followed he up with I mean,
I I really like, you know, I really liked the
time we're spending together, like yeah, you like it's so
much of collinor Tricia or something like. I was just
just you know.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Yeah, I had a good friend at home named Tricia,
and we were in a line. Bob was righting back
at me. Yeah, I go, Tricia, do you like golf?
And then Bob, you just lost it. I remember that
you just died left. But you uh completely, Bob. You
saved me though, because that whole thing would have been
so different for me, but especially just going at like
(01:31):
that first encounter with that guy and all of a sudden,
I'm laughing and I'm like, call, like how I could
actually sit here and have fun despite all the anxiety,
and not only that, like I talked to you about it,
like you were telling me some of your things that
happened to you at that time. And I think we
were I was on the top of the Uh didn't
(01:52):
we go on the top of that mansion we were at,
and we're like, Trista came home from a date at
like four am with Ryan, a nice date, and me
and you were hammered on the top of a mansion,
cooking like burd.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh, we were sweeping beer cans off of the off
of the roof. And actually, no, she wasn't on a
date with Ryan because Ryan was there with us actually,
and I remember the roof, No, not on top of
the roof, but he was there at the house with
us still, and we had played the Sentry Club that night,
a hundred shots of beer in a hundred minutes, and
(02:24):
it was just something dumb we were doing. And that's
the night Jamie did the pony chowl thing. It was
eating dog food and it was just crazy. But I
remember you came home and you came in and you
you were laughing, and so I knew the producers put
you up to it, but you like had to look
like you were mad. And you go, why is it
when I go on a date with you, I come
back and everyone's sleeping or reading the Bible, and I
(02:47):
go on a date with anyone but you and I
come home and it's like a frat party. And I
remember you said it with this gleam in your eye.
This one I knew we were going to be friends forever.
I swear to you, trist I did. And I looked
at you and I go, well, with all respect, you
are dating fourteen of my new best friends. Every we
both just started laughing and it was like one of
those moments.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
So funny.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Oh what am I supposed to do, you know, like
it was like it is so funny and dumb and hilarious.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Well that's the night Jack Jack French. Yeah, ironically, the
people like he didn't He didn't, you know, drink very much,
and so as the people that here was my takeaway.
The people that didn't like drink at all looked like
the alcoholics.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, they passed out. We're like out there, still working,
We're functioning beautiful.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Because it was like eight pm and I could just
tell he was slowing his words. And I went up
to him and his bed was right next to mine
with like the seventy five other guys vying for the
Trista's heart, and they go, Jack, you need to I'm like,
come over here, away from the cameras and like you
need to go to bed, and he's like okay, So I.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Dragged him there.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Did you sell him out? Later?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Did I totally screwed him?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He's like he's passed out.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
But he's like standing on his bed and the guy
looks like a Vander Holyfield naked pean on his bed,
And of course I got to come tell you, oh
my god, I can believe.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
This dumb peeing on his bed right now.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I'm like, no, let's go. Then then we carried him out.
We carry his bed outside while he's sleeping at it,
we carry him outside. The sprinklers come on.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Amazing little frat boys, My little frat boys.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
So good.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Okay, So tell us about how is life now? You know,
after after the Bachelorette you go back to normal life,
and obviously you have a happy family and we so
we would love to hear about it, because I don't
think you're on social that much.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
No, So I was basically after that, I did some
stuff for ABC, NBC and Chicago briefly and then not
even briefly. I did it on and off for years
and an extra when subbrities came through Chicago, I was
the guy that kind of interviewed all the celebrities. So
I interviewed everybody, I mean, Trump, Lebron James, al Pacino,
(05:10):
you know, Scarlet, everybody that came through Chicago. I interviewed
all of them, so that you know that was I
enjoyed doing that, but I was really living kind of
a regular life. I remember having some people say move
to La some agents and stuff like that, and I
actually had my car packed at one point, and it's
just something in my gut just didn't sit right with me.
(05:31):
So I went back to sort of a normal life.
But I've got a eleven year old boy who is
the best, best kid in the world. I don't know
if you guys can see this or not.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Look at that? Can you see a guy? Look at
those eyes? That crazy?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
He's a looker, beautiful.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
But his name is Jackson. He's the best, great athlete,
super smart. I just knocked over my high noon, Bob.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Something's never changed.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Now I'm screwed.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
And then so I was, you know, living a normal life.
And then I'm trying to think. Probably five years ago,
a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, sold
his company for substantial amount of money. He was a
film major in college, wanted to make movies. I had
some contacts. He ends up meeting Mike Tyson. Of all people,
(06:20):
they really get along, and in my head, I was
going to do a documentary on anxiety, depression and just
mental health. And so he goes, well, hey, I interview Mike,
and then he had William Shatner, a couple of Navy seals,
and then I kind of got the rest of some
pro baseball players pro golfers, therapists, really.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Anybody that could help.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
But but yeah, Mike Tyson was the first interview, and
that feeling was kind of like, it felt very similar
to go on that first night on The Bachelorette. It
was the same exact feeling. I didn't sleep for two
days and just outrageously nervous for it, even though I'd
been on camera lot. It's just it was intense for
(07:02):
me because I wasn't doing it every day type thing
where it was consistent where you get used to it.
And then Mike Tyson's sitting across from you.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
But he was great.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That was a great interview too.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
When you look at like today, you know, mental health, depression, anxiety, suicide,
and fortunately is at a boiling point, especially with the
young people the town I live in. I mean, there's
a horrible incident last week, but.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
It's on the rise.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
And I thought Mike Tyson gave probably one of the best,
it's simple, one of the best answers I've ever heard.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
And I just asked him if you ever been suicidal?
Speaker 5 (07:36):
And he's like all the time, He's like fifty different
times over the years, right, And that guy just keeps
getting back up, but his answer was, you know, it's
just a moment in time.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It'll pass. It's just a moment in time.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
And I think, especially young people, we all do this
right where you think this is it, you go through
some crisis.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
We all been there, Bob. I've been at your worst moments.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
You've been in mind right, yeah, where you can't see
the future in a way and you're just kind of
down and out and we're fun guys, and we're fun,
but it's like that other side. You could be outgoing
and life of the party, but also struggle inside a
little bit, right, But everybody has these moments. Crisis is universal.
Being broken as universal, but just understanding that it's a
(08:21):
moment in time, it's right now, and if you could
just sort of zoom out and that this moment will
pass and not only pass, but you might look back
at your hardest times and say, yeah, you don't want
to go through that again. But maybe there was something
on the other side of that that did make you
stronger and maybe you realize something.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
But I mean, do you agree with what I'm saying
a little bit about her?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Oh? Absolutely, man, I listen, I've said it forever about you.
I think, you know, one of the reasons we migrated
to each other was we kind of needed each other,
you know, on at that stage in our lives, and
thankfully have continued our friendship like for so many years
ever since then. But yeah, I've often said it. At first,
I don't think people would look at you and think
(09:04):
that you had this situation going on. And but I
also think it's because you've approached it in such a
way that you do. You are funny about it, and
you are lighthearted about it, and people root for you.
And I've always rooted for you, and I think that
it's one of those things you know, you see someone
you love and care about struggling and you're like, come on, man,
I know you can do this, you know, and you've
(09:25):
done harder things and crazier things, and and so you know,
I mean, I've said it for Avertrice that I think,
you know, you set such a high bar for how
I think the people that are in that lead position
on the Bachelor and Bachelorette should be. And you were
so kind to all of us, you know, and it
was like you were so sweet and it's just your disposition,
(09:46):
it's just who you are, and and I think Jamie
in particular was able to I was able to be
feel like I could be myself because you made me
feel that way. But Jamie also, I think he felt
so comfortable with you that that kind of took the
pressure off, Like you almost forgot you're on a TV
show because you're talking to this beautiful person who's really
sweet and kind and and you know, Trista.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
That goes back to back to what you were saying,
where I thought you were great. You didn't I hit
it from everybody.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It's not like I told you I had this and
you didn't do anything that was You were really nice
to me, So yeah, I never said anything negative and
I thought you were I thought you were great, Bob.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I think it was funny.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Where I can't remember when I first talked about it
was either when Chris Harrison had that live show or
me and you went on Diane Sawyer.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think it might have been Diane Sawyer.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I think it was.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, So that was.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Weird for me because that was live TV, and I
remember me and you kind of we went out for
really late that night before and then it was which
probably helped.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Honestly, shocking amazing, amazing, the two of us get together.
It still happens now.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Then what's weird about that is she gave the commencement
speech at my at Illinois for my graduation, and that's
why I was. I was at my worst though when
she gave it and everybody else is seeing in the future,
I was at my worst. I was like, God, now
I got to go in the real world with this
thing that I'm hiding and I can't deal with. And
there's people everywhere obviously, So when me and you, I
(11:12):
don't know if you remember this, but I sat there
and I told her in that brief story and then
that's kind of what she wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, I actually do. Yeah, I do remember that.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, it was wild.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It was great. I thought it was amazing. You confronted
your fears head on, buddy, and that's a that's a
hard thing to do.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Connie Chung was hilarious, though. Do you remember that what
a disaster I was on.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That you were? Yeah, that was really funny.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Bob talked for about twenty five minutes, like I didn't
say work, and then while we're on air, and this
is like during the Iraq worry and so there's like
all these monitors.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I was more.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Curious because Bob was. I actually loved it because Bob
was talking. So I was just staring at like over
here at the monitors. And then she goes, Jamie, what
do you think about that? I wasn't listening to any
of it, no idea. Oh and I just feel like this.
I go, what do you think about what? And you go, oh,
(12:03):
she's talking about the Iraq Warrior. You give your thoughts
on the Iraq working.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
She was not talking about that the way.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, so fun, that like so fun.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
We went through this whole experience together and you know,
all these fun stories and yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
How do you think that you would have felt if
social media had been around you?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Would you have actually done the show?
Speaker 5 (12:39):
That's a great point. I think there's pros and cons.
I think social media is it's really dangerous. You know,
I was an adult, but like say, for a teenager,
it's potentially dangerous, right is it? Like you could let's
say you're not part of the cool club on Facebook
or Instagram, and then your comparisons are a bad deal.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Well, I can't imagine that a therapist hasn't told you
to stay away from social media with you know, I
would assume in books and anything you read on panic
disorders that maybe social media.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Is not where you should be spending your time.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
I think it's funny because I was never on Instagram
till I did this show.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
My podcast, and it's funny. I actually like a lot
of it.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Like I think there's some very helpful stuff if you're
trying to deal with mental health. But yeah, I think
where it gets tricky. I think there's some really good
stuff on them. But and then the algorithm start working
out where if I'm hey, I'm trying to beat anxiety,
I'm trying to be depression and whatever it might be,
those'll start popping up. So that stuff I think is
pretty good. The trick is, like I said, the comparisons
(13:46):
and inequities. So you know, you're in high school or
let's say you do something stupid, which in high school
I did all the time.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
It's like, all right, well that's on there.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
And then you know, Bob and I probably a million
thoughts going through has right now with things we've done,
and like, well how do you live that?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Down?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Is their potential like fame there And I've heard stories
where somebody did just throw something on Facebook and.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It goes viral, and now that that person's dealing with
the shame.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
So but I think the big problem is is that
and then just the comparisons and you know, everybody's putting
obviously that we've all heard this before, but obviously their
best filter whatever you want to call it, on there.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So I think that's the danger.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, right, Well, thank god we didn't have to deal
with that, and we had lots of fun. I mean,
our my season are I say our season because it
was our season even though it was my bachelorette, was
just so much fun. We had the best time, our
big guys, our group was so great.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
We were so lucky.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
You were awesome, You were you were great to all
of us. Super I thought you were handled a first
time thing extremely well. And like you said, that had
to be a lot of pressure. I mean, just being
the person in the first to do it, and like
and like you said, which I didn't quite know, but
the scrutiny and about you probably dealt with some of
(15:12):
that too, Like how was that just dealing with public scrutiny?
I guess, like how do you process it?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I feel like I'd still do a really horrible job
of it.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I saw your Ted talk, though, I thought your Ted
Talk was great.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I feel like, for the most part, and you guys
probably have the same experience, is that ninety nine point
nine percent of people are so positive and so supportive,
and you know, big fans whoever come up and talk
to me. But then there's like, you know, that point
oh five percent that and I don't know what movie
(15:48):
it was in the eighties, but there's a movie in
the eighties that I remember said it's just easier to
believe the bad stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It's in some movie.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Right, and and I feel like it's just easier to
you know, oh, you're right, because like I talked about,
I did Special Forces, and I talked about the devil
on my shoulder and the angel on my shoulder, and
it's just sometimes it's just easier to believe the devil.
The devil's you know, on my shoulder is just at
me all the time, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right.
(16:18):
I don't belong here, and I suck, you know, I'm whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
So I think that.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I just I tried try to focus on the positive.
And I will say if I had had any other cast,
maybe it would have been different because we did have
a lot of fun. It wasn't like super serious and
dramatic and you know, all of those things, and it
(16:47):
was just fun.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
At least for me. It was.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Well, it's probably perfect because you had you had Ryan
who's like, you know, was the perfect person person for
you at the time, and then outside of that, it
was like he was the one, and then he had
a bunch of people having fun. So you know, it
was probably a perfect, perfect match, perfect world.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
For that and for him.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
He has always said, thank god that I had that
he had you guys, because he wouldn't have been able
to stick around as long as he did.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
And thank god that guy didn't play basketball with us
on the basketball court, remember that, because it was just
us playing bomb I never showed up.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
You would have kicked all our asses, right, do you remember?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Do you remember that trust out? I'll never forget that one.
Jamie and I are shooting hoops and we're not invited
on this particular date. I think you guys are going
to uh Sea World and you come over and you
look gorgeous, and you're standing up there at this thing
and there our basketball court was kind of sat down
on the side and we're sitting there and you come
(17:46):
walking over, and at first we think it's a great
thing that you're walking over because we don't realize the
cameras are following you and we should have known that.
But and you go hello boys, and we're like, oh, hey,
how you doing. And we're just hanging out down there,
and we're still it's using great to see you, you know,
and you go, uh, you literally go, well, thanks for
(18:07):
you know, coming up and welcoming me to the house
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And we're like, we just we just kept playing basketball.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well have fun on that day. You know, we'll see
when you get back.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You want a beer, Yeah, you want a beer.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
We're just shooting hoops drinking beers. It was like, it
was so funny because you giggled and I remember you
walking away and we're like, does she hate us?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Okay, it's sarcastic.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I remember one thing we went to a go cart
track and Bob and I were up pretty late and
this was so funny. So like we're pretty hungover and
we get to them. We're like, where are we going?
And we're like a go cart track and we both
start laughing. We're like, it's probably not a good idea
right now. First we're going a go cart track. So
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this guy was like, these things went like five thousand
miles an hour, right and there's like nine million turns.
I could barely see straight, and oh my god. This
guy was explaining like, you have to hit this apex.
He was ultra serious, the guy at the track, at
this apex, that apex that he was, you know, over
and over and over. So we get to the very
end and Bob goes, sir, what's an What does an
(19:17):
apex mean?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
So good.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
He's like, when you hit the apex, you want to
make sure that you engage the And I'm like, okay, great.
He's like, any questions, I just won uh the words
you've used six thousand times? What is an apex? What?
I knew what it was, to be fair, I was
just teasing interested.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Going back to your point, you said like you would
kind of remember the negatives because I just interviewed this
pro baseball player, Tyler Matzik, which is coming out tomorrow, and.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
He said that.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
So he was the number one draft pick in high
school in like two thousand and nine through ninety nine
miles an hour, which is still fast.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
But back then you're like you're like an alien, right,
and you fast forward? He do you know? He goes
to the Atlanta Braves does okay?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
He goes five and eleven his rookie year, but in
his head, he wasn't perfect, and he was just sort
of focusing on the negative because he prior to it,
he was so good that he developed the yips, so
he couldn't throw ten feet all of a sudden. So
I'm like, this is a Major League picture. All of
a sudden, he couldn't throw ten feet, and I go,
where would it go?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
He's like, well, over my head to my feet.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Not twenty nineteen, he's living in a He's living in
a trailer park in an RV. I don't know IF's
a trailer marker. He's living in RV. And then he
met this Navy seal who I interviewed, who taught him
kind of a different mindset perspective, which is more of
the stuff that I tapped into when I was trying
to combat anxiety. And twenty one he wins the World
(20:46):
Series for the Brave strikes out the side Yeah nlcs,
including the well what he said I go, what do
you think caused it? And he goes, well, when you're
a kid, if you really think about it, you only
really remember. And this is for adults too, kind of
like you said, the highs and the lows, but like
the extreme lows, not maybe not a low, but like
(21:07):
if somebody's publicly scrutinized, you're going to remember that because
you don't like it. And it's not even that it's
not even true, So your brain doesn't necessarily forget those things,
and they sit in your subconscious and you also remember
the highs, but those even you know, some of THO
like he just remember as coaches yelling him.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
When he was eight or nine and they were maybe
a little over the top.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
And he's like, you know, it's not like I totally
remember it, but it sits in your subconscious and it
could come out.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
So it's interesting. It's just the extremes I think we
deal with.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know, I haven't talked about this. I don't feel like,
not for any reason, or maybe I have. I had
a panic attack. I've had a couple of them, and
I don't know if that classifies me because I haven't
seen a therapist about it. But I don't know if
that classifies me as having panic disorder or what, but yeah,
(22:10):
I it was a really really scary situation. Ryan wasn't there.
It was when we had just announced that he had
lime disease, and I thought he was going to lose
his job because we were in the press a lot,
and people were calling the fire department like directly and
like wanting to pass on messages, wanting them to pass
(22:31):
on messages, and you know, they have a lot of
other things to worry about other than passing on messages
to Ryan. So I got really scared. I remember the
weirdest thing. I don't know if you experienced this, but
my nose went numb. It like was tingly, and that's
that's when I knew something was wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I was like, Okay, this is really weird.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I guess you have like the.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Heart racing and you couldn't think you're going to die
of a heart attack.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
It's dizzy. Yeah, it was horrible. It's really scary.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So I'm so sorry that you've experienced this, but I
feel like you're helping so many people with your podcast.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It's called stepping into the fire.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Stepping into the fire, and then Bob if you don't
give me more subscribers, we're gonna call it stepping into.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
The ship pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Hey, buddy, we're going to talk all about First of all,
I want to say this, I think you're you're a
hilarious guy, and you know, I love you to death,
But you're actually a really good interviewer. I mean that
Mike Tyson interviewed, that you've interviewed Mike Tyson. I know
you've interviewed a couple different professional golfers, baseball players, I mean,
several big name actors. I mean, the people that you
(23:42):
get on your podcasts are just mind blowing. And I've
I've often asked you. I'm like, how do you get
these people? You know? I just reached out to their people,
you know, And but I just think it's crazy that
you you you've gotten some of these people on there.
But I mean, you're a really good interviewer, and you know,
I think you're great at listening.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Well, I think I'm not. I think that I appreciate
you saying that that's a skill I have to work on.
I think is I interrupt a lot?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I watched it. I'm like, what am I doing to
stop in repting.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
But a lot of that is like I'm really nervous, right,
So it's like I'm jumping in when I shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
It's just because I'm fighting off nerves, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, ed Ramp guy that.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I interviewed, so he was going to be the globally
the CEO of Caterpillar CEO. It's als right, So he
doesn't have a mental health issue and he's got the opposite.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And so that resonated with me.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Like I said, I couldn't beat anxiety or what I
was dealing with in an office I had to confront.
So the Bachelor was kind of Bacherette was sort of
my Mount Everest, so to speak. Right, So if I
can go do that, that's all the possible fears I
can have. Negative outcomes could come out on that show.
(24:57):
But for this guy, he's got a term illness. He's
about to be ceof Caterpillar. It's a two to five
year death sentence. But I get more out of this
guy's story than maybe a book or a therapist or
anybody else. And I asked him, I said, well, obviously,
what you know the depression that you must have felt
when you get this diagnosis and he goes, no, I've
(25:20):
never been depressed.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I've never been anxious about it. And what he felt
was gratitude.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
So it's stories like that because I could get yeah,
because I could be negative. I get pretty negative. I
get in my own head, as Bob knows. But to
hear that, and Bob's super positive. And that's why I
like people like that because it gets me out of
some of my negative spirals. But like number one, he's
thankful for the life he's lived. He's walked his daughter
down the aisle, you know, he's done gulfed with his son.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Things like that. He's passed two to five years, he's
eleven years in and he's doing well.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
But he didn't follow the kind of typical approach that
everybody said, hey, you got two to five years, this
is what you're going to do.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
And he said, I don't. I don't operate like that.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
It's just not how I'm wired, and that you know,
it was sort of like similar to anxiety.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
But he's trying to beat this thing.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
So it's about, you know, trying to serve other people,
which goes back to some of the Navy seals I've
interviewed where their motto is kind of embrace the suck
and yeah, it's going to be uncomfortable. So going on
the battery for me was uncomfortable. But I'm not getting
bullet shot right, Yeah, I just look like an idiot
on TV. So it's embracing the suck in difficulty. But
(26:34):
on the other side of that is like, why is
the Navy seal doing that? It's to serve other people.
So like the beauty of the show, the opportunity that
I had with you guys and Tristan for not dumping
me day one, which you should have. You give me
longer than you show, but you know, to use a
show like that as a platform to help other people,
(26:56):
and I've had when I went on This is funny
after Diane Sawyer, I told my story. That was the
first place I really told it, I think, and I
didn't plan on it.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I just did.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
And they're like, well, what are you doing with it?
And I'm like, oh, I've got a I've got a book.
I didn't have a book. And then they're like, well,
where can we find out more information on you? And
I said, well on my website. I didn't have a website,
So you knew these things. So we're walking off the
show and Bob goes, you don't have a book or
a website to you, and I go, I go, no,
(27:32):
You're like, we better call my web hosting guy and
like get a website, and.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Ye, yeah we got you hooked up pretty quick.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, but it led to a book and it led
to But I had six million emails after talking about
that on Oprah and Diansaur from people that had that
were suicidal, that were depressed, that were anxious, especially teenagers,
but just people that had never talked about it, because
I don't think people, especially a guy, that had ever
really talked about mental health. Now it's a little more
(28:01):
obviously out there and the stigma's been.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Broken, but yeah, post COVID, it's definitely out there more.
But yeah, you're right, it wasn't. It wasn't then, It
wasn't something.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, but I have to say I think that it's
still uh requires attention, you know. I don't think that
people talk about it near enough. So thank you for
what you're doing with your podcast and just being really
talking about it and coming on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Finally did it. We did it. We finally got him
on here.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Oh, thank you so much. I know it was difficult.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
I was actually dealing with my own anxiety, so that
was some of that avoidance and finally I had a confronted.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
So thanks for coming in there with me.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
We love you, buddy, and congratulate.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I love you guys.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Thank you so much. It's great, great seeing you, Trista, Bob.
We'll see it see in the next light you got.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
We love you too, brother.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Love you too. That our good thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Trista. Isn't he something he is?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
He's such a great guy.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm so thankful he was on the season, and you
know he is he's always self depreciating, always, you know,
like he I just wish he believed in himself more,
you know, and that goes out to all all people
who you know, deal with anxiety and panic disorders. I
just if I could do anything, you know, Yeah, no,
(29:26):
I give them some belief in themselves.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So see, that's your big heart, that's your big heart,
that's your you know, that's where you come from. Which
which uh, you know, it was just a perfect storm.
I think it was a perfect storm that we were
all on that show together and became friends and right
you know, and then you know, Jamie and I like,
I mean, I love it because you know, Ryan, Jamie
and I are on a text thread together too, by
the way, and we touched it through it now and then,
(29:49):
and you know, it's so nice to have that relationship
that's continued on for twenty some years, I mean longer
than you know, some conventional friendships that you might have
had along the way. And here we are, twenty three
years later, still talking and that you and I all
the time, and it's pretty awesome, you know. So I
thank you for that. I thank you for that very much.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Of course, right back at you, and thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I don't know when we're going to talk next, but
hopefully we can figure something out because we miss we
miss chatting with all of you. I miss the ogs,
and I know that we have a lot to talk
about coming up with Golden and Paradise, and I know
that Ashley and Ben will be doing lots of that.
But and then we'll have another Dancing with the Stars season.
(30:37):
I know that they're casting for Special Forces, so hopefully
that will be coming up soon. So I don't know
who knows what's in the works, but if you want
to hear from anyone in the OG REALM, let us
know we'd love to have them on.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, we would for sure. Well, I love this day.
Thank you so much. Thanks everybody for watch out listen
for the almost famous ogs. I love you, my friend
Trista Sutter, Nate Wren and I had to throw it
in there and I can't wait until next time. M
This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio. We're back
almost famous to OG's and we are having such a
great time with Jamie Blythe, who was, of course my
partner in crime on Trista's season of the Bachelorette. So
let's get back into it.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I just want to take this opportunity to say, I
am so sorry. I wish I would have like going
back the things that I like said, you know, like
oh yeah, oh, And our producer said that in an article.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
She said that at one point in the show.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
And I don't know if you remember this, Jamie, because
I don't remember it. My memory sucks, so anyway, I
don't remember it. But it's said in the article that
you called me Tricia and then you said do you
like golf? And I was like, my name is Trista,
and no, I don't like golf.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I remember that story.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I remember thinking, I thought said I might eve even
said something to the effect of I felt like you
might like he might have followed he up with I mean,
I I really like, you know, I really liked the
time we're spending together, like yeah, you like it's so
much of collinor Tricia or something like. I was just
just you know.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Yeah, I had a good friend at home named Tricia,
and we were in a line. Bob was righting back
at me. Yeah, I go, Tricia, do you like golf?
And then Bob, you just lost it. I remember that
you just died left. But you uh completely, Bob. You
saved me though, because that whole thing would have been
so different for me, but especially just going at like
(01:31):
that first encounter with that guy and all of a sudden,
I'm laughing and I'm like, call, like how I could
actually sit here and have fun despite all the anxiety,
and not only that, like I talked to you about it,
like you were telling me some of your things that
happened to you at that time. And I think we
were I was on the top of the Uh didn't
(01:52):
we go on the top of that mansion we were at,
and we're like, Trista came home from a date at
like four am with Ryan, a nice date, and me
and you were hammered on the top of a mansion,
cooking like burd.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh, we were sweeping beer cans off of the off
of the roof. And actually, no, she wasn't on a
date with Ryan because Ryan was there with us actually,
and I remember the roof, No, not on top of
the roof, but he was there at the house with
us still, and we had played the Sentry Club that night,
a hundred shots of beer in a hundred minutes, and
(02:24):
it was just something dumb we were doing. And that's
the night Jamie did the pony chowl thing. It was
eating dog food and it was just crazy. But I
remember you came home and you came in and you
you were laughing, and so I knew the producers put
you up to it, but you like had to look
like you were mad. And you go, why is it
when I go on a date with you, I come
back and everyone's sleeping or reading the Bible, and I
(02:47):
go on a date with anyone but you and I
come home and it's like a frat party. And I
remember you said it with this gleam in your eye.
This one I knew we were going to be friends forever.
I swear to you, trist I did. And I looked
at you and I go, well, with all respect, you
are dating fourteen of my new best friends. Every we
both just started laughing and it was like one of
those moments.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
So funny.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Oh what am I supposed to do, you know, like
it was like it is so funny and dumb and hilarious.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Well that's the night Jack Jack French. Yeah, ironically, the
people like he didn't He didn't, you know, drink very much,
and so as the people that here was my takeaway.
The people that didn't like drink at all looked like
the alcoholics.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, they passed out. We're like out there, still working,
We're functioning beautiful.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Because it was like eight pm and I could just
tell he was slowing his words. And I went up
to him and his bed was right next to mine
with like the seventy five other guys vying for the
Trista's heart, and they go, Jack, you need to I'm like,
come over here, away from the cameras and like you
need to go to bed, and he's like okay, So I.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Dragged him there.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Did you sell him out? Later?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Did I totally screwed him?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He's like he's passed out.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
But he's like standing on his bed and the guy
looks like a Vander Holyfield naked pean on his bed,
And of course I got to come tell you, oh
my god, I can believe.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
This dumb peeing on his bed right now.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I'm like, no, let's go. Then then we carried him out.
We carry his bed outside while he's sleeping at it,
we carry him outside. The sprinklers come on.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Amazing little frat boys, My little frat boys.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
So good.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Okay, So tell us about how is life now? You know,
after after the Bachelorette you go back to normal life,
and obviously you have a happy family and we so
we would love to hear about it, because I don't
think you're on social that much.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
No, So I was basically after that, I did some
stuff for ABC, NBC and Chicago briefly and then not
even briefly. I did it on and off for years
and an extra when subbrities came through Chicago, I was
the guy that kind of interviewed all the celebrities. So
I interviewed everybody, I mean, Trump, Lebron James, al Pacino,
(05:10):
you know, Scarlet, everybody that came through Chicago. I interviewed
all of them, so that you know that was I
enjoyed doing that, but I was really living kind of
a regular life. I remember having some people say move
to La some agents and stuff like that, and I
actually had my car packed at one point, and it's
just something in my gut just didn't sit right with me.
(05:31):
So I went back to sort of a normal life.
But I've got a eleven year old boy who is
the best, best kid in the world. I don't know
if you guys can see this or not.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Look at that? Can you see a guy? Look at
those eyes? That crazy?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
He's a looker, beautiful.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
But his name is Jackson. He's the best, great athlete,
super smart. I just knocked over my high noon, Bob.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Something's never changed.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Now I'm screwed.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
And then so I was, you know, living a normal life.
And then I'm trying to think. Probably five years ago,
a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, sold
his company for substantial amount of money. He was a
film major in college, wanted to make movies. I had
some contacts. He ends up meeting Mike Tyson. Of all people,
(06:20):
they really get along, and in my head, I was
going to do a documentary on anxiety, depression and just
mental health. And so he goes, well, hey, I interview Mike,
and then he had William Shatner, a couple of Navy seals,
and then I kind of got the rest of some
pro baseball players pro golfers, therapists, really.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Anybody that could help.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
But but yeah, Mike Tyson was the first interview, and
that feeling was kind of like, it felt very similar
to go on that first night on The Bachelorette. It
was the same exact feeling. I didn't sleep for two
days and just outrageously nervous for it, even though I'd
been on camera lot. It's just it was intense for
(07:02):
me because I wasn't doing it every day type thing
where it was consistent where you get used to it.
And then Mike Tyson's sitting across from you.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
But he was great.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That was a great interview too.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
When you look at like today, you know, mental health, depression, anxiety, suicide,
and fortunately is at a boiling point, especially with the
young people the town I live in. I mean, there's
a horrible incident last week, but.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
It's on the rise.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
And I thought Mike Tyson gave probably one of the best,
it's simple, one of the best answers I've ever heard.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
And I just asked him if you ever been suicidal?
Speaker 5 (07:36):
And he's like all the time, He's like fifty different
times over the years, right, And that guy just keeps
getting back up, but his answer was, you know, it's
just a moment in time.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It'll pass. It's just a moment in time.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
And I think, especially young people, we all do this
right where you think this is it, you go through
some crisis.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
We all been there, Bob. I've been at your worst moments.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
You've been in mind right, yeah, where you can't see
the future in a way and you're just kind of
down and out and we're fun guys, and we're fun,
but it's like that other side. You could be outgoing
and life of the party, but also struggle inside a
little bit, right, But everybody has these moments. Crisis is universal.
Being broken as universal, but just understanding that it's a
(08:21):
moment in time, it's right now, and if you could
just sort of zoom out and that this moment will
pass and not only pass, but you might look back
at your hardest times and say, yeah, you don't want
to go through that again. But maybe there was something
on the other side of that that did make you
stronger and maybe you realize something.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
But I mean, do you agree with what I'm saying
a little bit about her?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Oh? Absolutely, man, I listen, I've said it forever about you.
I think, you know, one of the reasons we migrated
to each other was we kind of needed each other,
you know, on at that stage in our lives, and
thankfully have continued our friendship like for so many years
ever since then. But yeah, I've often said it. At first,
I don't think people would look at you and think
(09:04):
that you had this situation going on. And but I
also think it's because you've approached it in such a
way that you do. You are funny about it, and
you are lighthearted about it, and people root for you.
And I've always rooted for you, and I think that
it's one of those things you know, you see someone
you love and care about struggling and you're like, come on, man,
I know you can do this, you know, and you've
(09:25):
done harder things and crazier things, and and so you know,
I mean, I've said it for Avertrice that I think,
you know, you set such a high bar for how
I think the people that are in that lead position
on the Bachelor and Bachelorette should be. And you were
so kind to all of us, you know, and it
was like you were so sweet and it's just your disposition,
(09:46):
it's just who you are, and and I think Jamie
in particular was able to I was able to be
feel like I could be myself because you made me
feel that way. But Jamie also, I think he felt
so comfortable with you that that kind of took the
pressure off, Like you almost forgot you're on a TV
show because you're talking to this beautiful person who's really
sweet and kind and and you know, Trista.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
That goes back to back to what you were saying,
where I thought you were great. You didn't I hit
it from everybody.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It's not like I told you I had this and
you didn't do anything that was You were really nice
to me, So yeah, I never said anything negative and
I thought you were I thought you were great, Bob.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I think it was funny.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Where I can't remember when I first talked about it
was either when Chris Harrison had that live show or
me and you went on Diane Sawyer.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think it might have been Diane Sawyer.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I think it was.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, So that was.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Weird for me because that was live TV, and I
remember me and you kind of we went out for
really late that night before and then it was which
probably helped.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Honestly, shocking amazing, amazing, the two of us get together.
It still happens now.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Then what's weird about that is she gave the commencement
speech at my at Illinois for my graduation, and that's
why I was. I was at my worst though when
she gave it and everybody else is seeing in the future,
I was at my worst. I was like, God, now
I got to go in the real world with this
thing that I'm hiding and I can't deal with. And
there's people everywhere obviously, So when me and you, I
(11:12):
don't know if you remember this, but I sat there
and I told her in that brief story and then
that's kind of what she wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, I actually do. Yeah, I do remember that.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, it was wild.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It was great. I thought it was amazing. You confronted
your fears head on, buddy, and that's a that's a
hard thing to do.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Connie Chung was hilarious, though. Do you remember that what
a disaster I was on.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That you were? Yeah, that was really funny.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Bob talked for about twenty five minutes, like I didn't
say work, and then while we're on air, and this
is like during the Iraq worry and so there's like
all these monitors.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I was more.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Curious because Bob was. I actually loved it because Bob
was talking. So I was just staring at like over
here at the monitors. And then she goes, Jamie, what
do you think about that? I wasn't listening to any
of it, no idea. Oh and I just feel like this.
I go, what do you think about what? And you go, oh,
(12:03):
she's talking about the Iraq Warrior. You give your thoughts
on the Iraq working.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
She was not talking about that the way.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, so fun, that like so fun.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
We went through this whole experience together and you know,
all these fun stories and yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
How do you think that you would have felt if
social media had been around you?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Would you have actually done the show?
Speaker 5 (12:39):
That's a great point. I think there's pros and cons.
I think social media is it's really dangerous. You know,
I was an adult, but like say, for a teenager,
it's potentially dangerous, right is it? Like you could let's
say you're not part of the cool club on Facebook
or Instagram, and then your comparisons are a bad deal.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Well, I can't imagine that a therapist hasn't told you
to stay away from social media with you know, I
would assume in books and anything you read on panic
disorders that maybe social media.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Is not where you should be spending your time.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
I think it's funny because I was never on Instagram
till I did this show.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
My podcast, and it's funny. I actually like a lot
of it.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Like I think there's some very helpful stuff if you're
trying to deal with mental health. But yeah, I think
where it gets tricky. I think there's some really good
stuff on them. But and then the algorithm start working
out where if I'm hey, I'm trying to beat anxiety,
I'm trying to be depression and whatever it might be,
those'll start popping up. So that stuff I think is
pretty good. The trick is, like I said, the comparisons
(13:46):
and inequities. So you know, you're in high school or
let's say you do something stupid, which in high school
I did all the time.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
It's like, all right, well that's on there.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
And then you know, Bob and I probably a million
thoughts going through has right now with things we've done,
and like, well how do you live that?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Down?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Is their potential like fame there And I've heard stories
where somebody did just throw something on Facebook and.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It goes viral, and now that that person's dealing with
the shame.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
So but I think the big problem is is that
and then just the comparisons and you know, everybody's putting
obviously that we've all heard this before, but obviously their
best filter whatever you want to call it, on there.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So I think that's the danger.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, right, Well, thank god we didn't have to deal
with that, and we had lots of fun. I mean,
our my season are I say our season because it
was our season even though it was my bachelorette, was
just so much fun. We had the best time, our
big guys, our group was so great.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
We were so lucky.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
You were awesome, You were you were great to all
of us. Super I thought you were handled a first
time thing extremely well. And like you said, that had
to be a lot of pressure. I mean, just being
the person in the first to do it, and like
and like you said, which I didn't quite know, but
the scrutiny and about you probably dealt with some of
(15:12):
that too, Like how was that just dealing with public scrutiny?
I guess, like how do you process it?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I feel like I'd still do a really horrible job
of it.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I saw your Ted talk, though, I thought your Ted
Talk was great.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I feel like, for the most part, and you guys
probably have the same experience, is that ninety nine point
nine percent of people are so positive and so supportive,
and you know, big fans whoever come up and talk
to me. But then there's like, you know, that point
oh five percent that and I don't know what movie
(15:48):
it was in the eighties, but there's a movie in
the eighties that I remember said it's just easier to
believe the bad stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It's in some movie.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Right, and and I feel like it's just easier to
you know, oh, you're right, because like I talked about,
I did Special Forces, and I talked about the devil
on my shoulder and the angel on my shoulder, and
it's just sometimes it's just easier to believe the devil.
The devil's you know, on my shoulder is just at
me all the time, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right.
(16:18):
I don't belong here, and I suck, you know, I'm whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
So I think that.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I just I tried try to focus on the positive.
And I will say if I had had any other cast,
maybe it would have been different because we did have
a lot of fun. It wasn't like super serious and
dramatic and you know, all of those things, and it
(16:47):
was just fun.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
At least for me. It was.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Well, it's probably perfect because you had you had Ryan
who's like, you know, was the perfect person person for
you at the time, and then outside of that, it
was like he was the one, and then he had
a bunch of people having fun. So you know, it
was probably a perfect, perfect match, perfect world.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
For that and for him.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
He has always said, thank god that I had that
he had you guys, because he wouldn't have been able
to stick around as long as he did.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
And thank god that guy didn't play basketball with us
on the basketball court, remember that, because it was just
us playing bomb I never showed up.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
You would have kicked all our asses, right, do you remember?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Do you remember that trust out? I'll never forget that one.
Jamie and I are shooting hoops and we're not invited
on this particular date. I think you guys are going
to uh Sea World and you come over and you
look gorgeous, and you're standing up there at this thing
and there our basketball court was kind of sat down
on the side and we're sitting there and you come
(17:46):
walking over, and at first we think it's a great
thing that you're walking over because we don't realize the
cameras are following you and we should have known that.
But and you go hello boys, and we're like, oh, hey,
how you doing. And we're just hanging out down there,
and we're still it's using great to see you, you know,
and you go, uh, you literally go, well, thanks for
(18:07):
you know, coming up and welcoming me to the house
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And we're like, we just we just kept playing basketball.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well have fun on that day. You know, we'll see
when you get back.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You want a beer, Yeah, you want a beer.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
We're just shooting hoops drinking beers. It was like, it
was so funny because you giggled and I remember you
walking away and we're like, does she hate us?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Okay, it's sarcastic.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I remember one thing we went to a go cart
track and Bob and I were up pretty late and
this was so funny. So like we're pretty hungover and
we get to them. We're like, where are we going?
And we're like a go cart track and we both
start laughing. We're like, it's probably not a good idea
right now. First we're going a go cart track. So
(18:54):
this guy was like, these things went like five thousand
miles an hour, right and there's like nine million turns.
I could barely see straight, and oh my god. This
guy was explaining like, you have to hit this apex.
He was ultra serious, the guy at the track, at
this apex, that apex that he was, you know, over
and over and over. So we get to the very
end and Bob goes, sir, what's an What does an
(19:17):
apex mean?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
So good.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
He's like, when you hit the apex, you want to
make sure that you engage the And I'm like, okay, great.
He's like, any questions, I just won uh the words
you've used six thousand times? What is an apex? What?
I knew what it was, to be fair, I was
just teasing interested.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Going back to your point, you said like you would
kind of remember the negatives because I just interviewed this
pro baseball player, Tyler Matzik, which is coming out tomorrow, and.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
He said that.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
So he was the number one draft pick in high
school in like two thousand and nine through ninety nine
miles an hour, which is still fast.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
But back then you're like you're like an alien, right,
and you fast forward? He do you know? He goes
to the Atlanta Braves does okay?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
He goes five and eleven his rookie year, but in
his head, he wasn't perfect, and he was just sort
of focusing on the negative because he prior to it,
he was so good that he developed the yips, so
he couldn't throw ten feet all of a sudden. So
I'm like, this is a Major League picture. All of
a sudden, he couldn't throw ten feet, and I go,
where would it go?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
He's like, well, over my head to my feet.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Not twenty nineteen, he's living in a He's living in
a trailer park in an RV. I don't know IF's
a trailer marker. He's living in RV. And then he
met this Navy seal who I interviewed, who taught him
kind of a different mindset perspective, which is more of
the stuff that I tapped into when I was trying
to combat anxiety. And twenty one he wins the World
(20:46):
Series for the Brave strikes out the side Yeah nlcs,
including the well what he said I go, what do
you think caused it? And he goes, well, when you're
a kid, if you really think about it, you only
really remember. And this is for adults too, kind of
like you said, the highs and the lows, but like
the extreme lows, not maybe not a low, but like
(21:07):
if somebody's publicly scrutinized, you're going to remember that because
you don't like it. And it's not even that it's
not even true, So your brain doesn't necessarily forget those things,
and they sit in your subconscious and you also remember
the highs, but those even you know, some of THO
like he just remember as coaches yelling him.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
When he was eight or nine and they were maybe
a little over the top.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
And he's like, you know, it's not like I totally
remember it, but it sits in your subconscious and it
could come out.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
So it's interesting. It's just the extremes I think we
deal with.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know, I haven't talked about this. I don't feel like,
not for any reason, or maybe I have. I had
a panic attack. I've had a couple of them, and
I don't know if that classifies me because I haven't
seen a therapist about it. But I don't know if
that classifies me as having panic disorder or what, but yeah,
(22:10):
I it was a really really scary situation. Ryan wasn't there.
It was when we had just announced that he had
lime disease, and I thought he was going to lose
his job because we were in the press a lot,
and people were calling the fire department like directly and
like wanting to pass on messages, wanting them to pass
(22:31):
on messages, and you know, they have a lot of
other things to worry about other than passing on messages
to Ryan. So I got really scared. I remember the
weirdest thing. I don't know if you experienced this, but
my nose went numb. It like was tingly, and that's
that's when I knew something was wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I was like, Okay, this is really weird.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I guess you have like the.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Heart racing and you couldn't think you're going to die
of a heart attack.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
It's dizzy. Yeah, it was horrible. It's really scary.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So I'm so sorry that you've experienced this, but I
feel like you're helping so many people with your podcast.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It's called stepping into the fire.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Stepping into the fire, and then Bob if you don't
give me more subscribers, we're gonna call it stepping into.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
The ship pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Hey, buddy, we're going to talk all about First of all,
I want to say this, I think you're you're a
hilarious guy, and you know, I love you to death,
But you're actually a really good interviewer. I mean that
Mike Tyson interviewed, that you've interviewed Mike Tyson. I know
you've interviewed a couple different professional golfers, baseball players, I mean,
several big name actors. I mean, the people that you
(23:42):
get on your podcasts are just mind blowing. And I've
I've often asked you. I'm like, how do you get
these people? You know? I just reached out to their people,
you know, And but I just think it's crazy that
you you you've gotten some of these people on there.
But I mean, you're a really good interviewer, and you know,
I think you're great at listening.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Well, I think I'm not. I think that I appreciate
you saying that that's a skill I have to work on.
I think is I interrupt a lot?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I watched it. I'm like, what am I doing to
stop in repting.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
But a lot of that is like I'm really nervous, right,
So it's like I'm jumping in when I shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
It's just because I'm fighting off nerves, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, ed Ramp guy that.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I interviewed, so he was going to be the globally
the CEO of Caterpillar CEO. It's als right, So he
doesn't have a mental health issue and he's got the opposite.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And so that resonated with me.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Like I said, I couldn't beat anxiety or what I
was dealing with in an office I had to confront.
So the Bachelor was kind of Bacherette was sort of
my Mount Everest, so to speak. Right, So if I
can go do that, that's all the possible fears I
can have. Negative outcomes could come out on that show.
(24:57):
But for this guy, he's got a term illness. He's
about to be ceof Caterpillar. It's a two to five
year death sentence. But I get more out of this
guy's story than maybe a book or a therapist or
anybody else. And I asked him, I said, well, obviously,
what you know the depression that you must have felt
when you get this diagnosis and he goes, no, I've
(25:20):
never been depressed.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I've never been anxious about it. And what he felt
was gratitude.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
So it's stories like that because I could get yeah,
because I could be negative. I get pretty negative. I
get in my own head, as Bob knows. But to
hear that, and Bob's super positive. And that's why I
like people like that because it gets me out of
some of my negative spirals. But like number one, he's
thankful for the life he's lived. He's walked his daughter
down the aisle, you know, he's done gulfed with his son.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Things like that. He's passed two to five years, he's
eleven years in and he's doing well.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
But he didn't follow the kind of typical approach that
everybody said, hey, you got two to five years, this
is what you're going to do.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
And he said, I don't. I don't operate like that.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
It's just not how I'm wired, and that you know,
it was sort of like similar to anxiety.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
But he's trying to beat this thing.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
So it's about, you know, trying to serve other people,
which goes back to some of the Navy seals I've
interviewed where their motto is kind of embrace the suck
and yeah, it's going to be uncomfortable. So going on
the battery for me was uncomfortable. But I'm not getting
bullet shot right, Yeah, I just look like an idiot
on TV. So it's embracing the suck in difficulty. But
(26:34):
on the other side of that is like, why is
the Navy seal doing that? It's to serve other people.
So like the beauty of the show, the opportunity that
I had with you guys and Tristan for not dumping
me day one, which you should have. You give me
longer than you show, but you know, to use a
show like that as a platform to help other people,
(26:56):
and I've had when I went on This is funny
after Diane Sawyer, I told my story. That was the
first place I really told it, I think, and I
didn't plan on it.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I just did.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
And they're like, well, what are you doing with it?
And I'm like, oh, I've got a I've got a book.
I didn't have a book. And then they're like, well,
where can we find out more information on you? And
I said, well on my website. I didn't have a website,
So you knew these things. So we're walking off the
show and Bob goes, you don't have a book or
a website to you, and I go, I go, no,
(27:32):
You're like, we better call my web hosting guy and
like get a website, and.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Ye, yeah we got you hooked up pretty quick.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, but it led to a book and it led
to But I had six million emails after talking about
that on Oprah and Diansaur from people that had that
were suicidal, that were depressed, that were anxious, especially teenagers,
but just people that had never talked about it, because
I don't think people, especially a guy, that had ever
really talked about mental health. Now it's a little more
(28:01):
obviously out there and the stigma's been.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Broken, but yeah, post COVID, it's definitely out there more.
But yeah, you're right, it wasn't. It wasn't then, It
wasn't something.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, but I have to say I think that it's
still uh requires attention, you know. I don't think that
people talk about it near enough. So thank you for
what you're doing with your podcast and just being really
talking about it and coming on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Finally did it. We did it. We finally got him
on here.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Oh, thank you so much. I know it was difficult.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
I was actually dealing with my own anxiety, so that
was some of that avoidance and finally I had a confronted.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
So thanks for coming in there with me.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
We love you, buddy, and congratulate.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I love you guys.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Thank you so much. It's great, great seeing you, Trista, Bob.
We'll see it see in the next light you got.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
We love you too, brother.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Love you too. That our good thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Trista. Isn't he something he is?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
He's such a great guy.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm so thankful he was on the season, and you
know he is he's always self depreciating, always, you know,
like he I just wish he believed in himself more,
you know, and that goes out to all all people
who you know, deal with anxiety and panic disorders. I
just if I could do anything, you know, Yeah, no,
(29:26):
I give them some belief in themselves.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So see, that's your big heart, that's your big heart,
that's your you know, that's where you come from. Which
which uh, you know, it was just a perfect storm.
I think it was a perfect storm that we were
all on that show together and became friends and right
you know, and then you know, Jamie and I like,
I mean, I love it because you know, Ryan, Jamie
and I are on a text thread together too, by
the way, and we touched it through it now and then,
(29:49):
and you know, it's so nice to have that relationship
that's continued on for twenty some years, I mean longer
than you know, some conventional friendships that you might have
had along the way. And here we are, twenty three
years later, still talking and that you and I all
the time, and it's pretty awesome, you know. So I
thank you for that. I thank you for that very much.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Of course, right back at you, and thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I don't know when we're going to talk next, but
hopefully we can figure something out because we miss we
miss chatting with all of you. I miss the ogs,
and I know that we have a lot to talk
about coming up with Golden and Paradise, and I know
that Ashley and Ben will be doing lots of that.
But and then we'll have another Dancing with the Stars season.
(30:37):
I know that they're casting for Special Forces, so hopefully
that will be coming up soon. So I don't know
who knows what's in the works, but if you want
to hear from anyone in the OG REALM, let us
know we'd love to have them on.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, we would for sure. Well, I love this day.
Thank you so much. Thanks everybody for watch out listen
for the almost famous ogs. I love you, my friend
Trista Sutter, Nate Wren and I had to throw it
in there and I can't wait until next time. M
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