January 21, 2020 • 54 mins
Ben and Ashley break down all the drama from the 3rd episode of Pilot Pete’s season, down TO the last champagne bubble.
Was Peter right to send Alayah home?? Ashley looks at both sides and tries to understand Peter’s choice.
We hear the REAL story about the Bachelor mansion “pool parties” and Ashley reveals one of her biggest mistakes from her time with Chris Soules
Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with i R Radio. What a day it is to
be alive and why because it's Bachelor Tuesday, Ashley, I
can Eddie. How you doing? Hey, I'm so good. How
are you? I'm super good. I'm actually right now in Sebastian, Florida. Sebastian,
(00:23):
Florida is the home or my great grandpa bought his
retirement home, and then my grandfather, his brother, his sister
all got vacation homes down here and this is kind
of the the Higgins side of the family where they
where they've retired to. And so I'm down right now
visiting my great aunt. And Jessica came down to spend
the weekend with me as well. That's so nice. Yeah. Hey,
(00:47):
before we started, I've got to talk about myself for
a second. It's something that which one the golf tournament. Yeah,
I gotta talk about it. It's a huge deal. So
if you're out there and you're like, then I don't
want to hear you talk about yourself. This isn't fun
for me. Yeah, well it's really fun for me. So here, um,
my dad, my mother, uh, and Jessica and I all
(01:09):
spent the last week in Orlando, Florida at the Diamond
Resorts Tournament of Champions. Here's what it is. It's a
celebrity tournament and an LPGA tournament side by side. I
have to think the podcast because I think the only
reason I'm still invited into these celebrity tournaments is because
of this podcast. I think because it's it's wild to me.
(01:31):
I mean, I had to play along. My group had
Larry the Cable Guy, Marcus Allen, Heisman Trophy winner, Hall
of Famer. I also had Joe Carter. I I mean,
I played along, and then I also played along some
of these LPGA professionals. It was an amazing week. My
goal was to break eighty one of the days, and
my very last day actually I shot a seventy eight,
(01:53):
which for me and tournament play is incredible. Um, and
I got to have my dad caddying for me all week.
Jessica walk in the Ferriyes, my mom. Is amazing week.
I'm so pumped. That's why I'm such a good mood
today because it was something to be talked about. Ben.
I'm so happy for you. Um. We should be happy
for ourselves collectively because we were nominated for the I
(02:16):
Heart Podcast Award in the Pop category. We did a
whole marathon of the show the other day without you,
and you were greatly missed. My throat was sore after it.
We didn't win, But I know this isn't such a
cliche Hollywood phrase, but it was pretty cool to be nominated.
Did it feel cool when you were there? I mean
I was down here playing in this tournament, so I
(02:37):
wasn't able to make it, but was it cool to
be there? Yeah? So, like a little Bertie's had kind
of told me beforehand that we didn't win, because you know,
we are an I Heard podcast, we kind of have
like insider knowledge is who's gonna win who's not. So
like I knew going into that, so I wasn't like
super like stoked and nervous, Like if I was gonna
have to take an acceptance speech or anything, and I
(02:58):
can't even imagine us winning and you're not being here,
that would be crazy. But when we heard our names, sir,
when I heard my name and then Caitlin heard her name,
like right next to our podcast, it was a really
cool moment. I was like, oh my goodness, I feel
seen and that is you know, it is really nice
to be to feel seen, I think in any part
(03:20):
of life. And for us, this is our first nomination.
I don't think it's gonna be our last. Ashley or
it feels like the podcast just continues to grow. Who
Who Who won the category the Breakfast Club podcast. I'm
not sure if you've ever heard of that before. Jared, Yeah, Jared,
so that they were they were a good one to
lose too. Yeah, yeah, they're good. And I mean we
got to be in the same category as Caitlin, one
(03:42):
of our best. That's really cool. Yeah, awesome. So what
did you learn from this, like marathon of a podcast?
Anything cool to talk about, to recap and kind of
point people back to listen to that episode. Well, if
you guys are Gray as Anatomy fans, Tanya, Becca and
I did a lot of venting over how this show
has been scripted the past couple of years, and of
(04:03):
course the departure of Alex Krev which was horrible. Um.
We also had um oh. I loved the part where
we had the ladies from the Intimate Knowledge podcast. They
it was Brooke Burke, Megan King, Edmund Edmunds and then
a sex therapist that they have on the show as
(04:24):
well as sex relationship therapists, and we talked about like,
you know, feeling sexy and feeling yourself and like just
carrying yourself in that way. So that was really cool.
It was one of my favorite parts of it. And
then I loved having Rosalind Sanchez and her husband Eric
Winter on because Jared Jared joined me for that segment
(04:44):
and we just talked about marriage and it got so
rab and I realized I'm so much like Rosalind and
Jared is so much like Eric, and it was just
like a really cool bonding moment, and especially since I've
watched her shows for years and I think, like she's
just so beautiful and amazing. You got to meet some
really incredible I feel left out, but I mean I
had a great time myself, but I feel like you
had a really good experience at the show. Thank you.
(05:08):
I did. It was a really good podcast. I felt
it was strong. It was strong, and it wasn't It
wasn't about the Bachelor, you know, it was just kind
of fun to mix up every now and then. It
wasn't solely about the Bachelor. Yeah, well, this podcast is
about the Bachelor Day. We have a lot to talk
about when it comes to Bachelor Nation. We have some
news that involved Bachelor Nation in Jennifer Andison. We also
want to talk Luke pe If you forget who he is,
(05:29):
he's the villain from Hannah season. We have some massive,
massive news when it comes around Peter Webber. But before
we get to all these things, Oh my god, wait
before Yeah, Ashley has a crazy fact that you just learned.
I just thought I had to interject it in here
(05:50):
because I would forget it otherwise. Peter Webber was born
at the hospital that my dad has worked out for
the past twenty three years. Wow. That is I had
no clue to this fact. That's an amazing addition to
the show. Did your dad deliver him by chance? No,
so my dad started working there two or three years
(06:11):
after Peter was born there. But it's been the buzz
I was. I was texted by a nurse the other
day like, was Peter born here? Because like everybody's talking
about it, and I was like, oh my god. And
I texted him and I was like where were you born?
And he said Fairfax And I was like, well, there's
only one hospital in like the city of Fairbax, Virginia.
(06:31):
So you were born at my dad's hospital. That's so crazy.
America's favorite little heart throbs was was laying being coddled
in Fairfax, Virginia. One time, Hey asked, before we get
to the massive news surrounding the show, let's take our
first break, talk about our sponsors, and come back to
(06:52):
talk Peter over season of The Bachelor. Actually, you are
a pop culture, uh, source of knowledge. You are like
a Wikipedia of pop culture. You are going to walk
(07:14):
me through these stories because I don't really know them
very well, and I know I can count on you too.
So the first story headline is going to read out
here and you can explain it to me. As Jennifer
Anderson says Hannah Brown can stay home now after appearing
on Peter Webber's season of the Bachelor. She said this
during the SAG Awards interviews. I mean, actually, every week
(07:35):
I find out a new person that loves the show.
Jennifer Anderson was my childhood crush. I adored her. To
the fact that she might possibly know my name just
makes me feel all sorts of ways. But do you
agree that Hannah Brown should stay home? And what did
Jennifer Anison mean by this, there's not much to go
off of. There's not a video interview here, and I
(07:58):
do know that the that the magazines can take quotes
and make a story around them of their own. So
the only quotes we have, um are that she's of
course watching the Bachelor. Um. She says that she believes
that the producers are just using these poor women at
this point, and that she says, I do think Hannah
(08:21):
can stay home now. I think she just has the
opinion that is shared by so many other Bachelor viewers,
which is all right, we've had a little bit of
a Hannah Brown overload right now. I think she's still
going to remain a huge favorite of this franchise. UM.
I think maybe she just you know, she's been seeing
on the past three seasons now and I think people
and plus plus um dancing with the Star. So I
(08:43):
think that a lot of people are just thinking, alright, Hannah,
give us a break from yourself and then come back emerge.
And and if she does take this a little break,
I think she has a higher chance of being the
Bachelor again a couple of years down the road. I
don't think she's going to be on the table as
being the Batch Laurette option for this coming season. So
actually we haven't touched on this subject in a few
(09:05):
weeks now, but we're now three episodes in on Peter
Webber season. Is there a chance that she comes back
on this season ends up with Peter. Is that still
even a possibility? Uh? I don't think so. I think
I lost hope now, But I also still think it
was a really weird way for them to end that chapter.
(09:27):
Last episode was just so inconclusive. We didn't get any answers.
So that's my only it's my only thing keeping me
thinking that possibly there's more to come, but well more
to come here. This might this might be one of
the most interesting stories of the week to me. The
(09:47):
bachelor at villain Luke p if you remember him, he
was definitely the villain on Hannis season. He was around
a long time. Is now seeing Justin Bieber's ex Caitlin Beatles.
I read this headline again. I know nothing about this,
but how and why and what and why and why?
There's not much to go off of besides the headline
(10:10):
in this case as well, they've been seeing each other casually.
It's I don't doesn't look to be a full blown
relationship yet at this point. She's you know, very religious girl,
and and that's her her history. I feel like it
was a very brief relationship because while she looks familiar
(10:31):
and her in her name sounds familiar, um like, she's not,
of course, one of Justin's great loves. You know, she
was probably one of the in between girls between Haley,
Haley and Selena and the The source says that they've
been spending a lot of time together, but they're not
officially dating. They care about the same thing, specifically family
(10:51):
and faith, um, and they're interested to get to know
each other more. They've run in the same circles for
a while. Well, hey, good of them. I hope it's true.
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Justin was literally like
fifteen when he dated her. It says that they dated
around two thousand eight, two thousand nine, so yeah, just
about fifteen. Yeah, so no, wonder Yeah, it's not like
(11:17):
it's not a name that pops off. But hey, you
know what, good for Lupie. We wish him the best. Um,
you know, we haven't heard a lot from him since
his time on the Bachelor, Uh, it makes sense. His
time on that show was rough, to say at least,
so he's bouncing back with just spending some time with
Caitlin Beatles. Who knows where it goes. We hope it
(11:37):
goes somewhere good. Um. Chris Harrison says hosting the Bachelor
franchise has made him a better dad. This was taken
from People dot Com. I mean, I'm sure it's true
Chris has shown. I mean, if you meet Chris off
the show, as as you and I both have. Actually,
he is very similar to how he is on the show,
(11:58):
very polished, very quick witted, knows how to manage a situation. Also,
he is dealt with a bunch of twenty year olds
for twenty years and helping them find love. I think
it would help him get some practice for raising his kids.
It makes sense. Yeah. He says that because of the show,
he's a better listener. He says that he sees situations
(12:21):
in less of a black and white sort of way.
And he says that it's kind of made him in
a way less like, less selfish, where he doesn't think
like my way or the highway anymore. When you're a dad,
And he says, life is not so black and white,
so it makes it makes him see like all different
aspects of a situation. I suppose. Yeah, well, hey, uh,
(12:42):
Chris Harrison just continues to stay in the headlines. And
I mean, I think this is a good opportunity to
say it. What's maybe most surprising about Chris Harrison. Uh,
not because of the man he is, just because of
the industry he lives in. He's been on the show
for a long time and he barely ever, if ever
I can remember, has gotten a negative headline. You're so right,
(13:04):
and that is mine impressing, really really impressive that he
stayed that way. Um, next time line. Peter Webber has
appeared in a commercial for Sylvan Learning Center way back
in the day. If you've watched this commercial, it's something
to be remembered. It just decisiven't a story. I'm just saying.
(13:29):
If you haven't watched it, you gotta go back and
google or something. Peter Webber Sylvan Learning Center. He was
an actor. If you remember this child actor, especially at
one point in his life, it's hilarious. You'll never see
Peter the same way again. I remember do you remember
seeing Yeah, like the Silvan Learning commercials were like so
(13:50):
such like a thing of our high school period, and
I feel like I've definitely seen that one before. Yeah,
I wonder how many people picked up right away that
was him? But remember this, I mean, he's Peter Webber
is a man of many talents. He continues to surprise us.
(14:11):
But I do have some criticisms of him today on
the podcast, So stick around for those I love the guy.
I think he's a good dude, but I have some
questions for Peter, and I want to get him answered.
You know exactly what you're gonna call him out. On
The Bachelor's Marissa Gunn says I gained and then lost
eighty pounds after pageants destroyed my self image. Actually, you
talked to the Game Of podcast about meeting with some
(14:33):
ladies to talk about what makes you feel sexy as
a human. Um, we've heard this a few times now
about pageants. Do you think pageants are putting unneeded pressure
on men and women to be a certain body type
or image. I mean, this is this is hard to
hear that we can't just be celebrated for who we
(14:54):
are and we have to feel like we have to
lose eighty pounds yeah. Um, I feel like pageants are
trying to move along with the times, you know, they
one of them. I think it was as America did
without the bikini competition now, and I think that's great.
(15:14):
I don't think it's needed. I mean, here's the thing.
I remember as a middle schooler watching pageants and I
and I I did that with my family and my
grandma loved pageants, and nothing's you know, there's really never
felt like there's anything needed by the bikini. Um show.
There really isn't. No. I mean, it's about like charm um.
(15:38):
The way you you hold yourself, carry yourself, um, you know,
answered the questions, the way you walk into bikini really
should say nothing about your worthiness to be crowned. Yeah.
Well hey, next and final headline before we jump into
this last episode of the Bachelor, Chris Harrison thinks Jeduy
(15:58):
should compete on the New Bachelor spin off to redeem himself.
We just had jed Y on our live show. I
could say this, uh in the response was not great. Um.
I mean he was great. He he really was. He
he performed, he answered the questions. You could tell he
got a little bit upset. And I get why people
(16:19):
weren't exactly kind to him if I was jed, I mean,
I know he still wants this career. Is this a
good move? Well, I mean he has a girl. Actually,
before you answer, please give our audience a little bit
of a recap of what this new show is. Yeah,
so the new show is. It's actually a Bachelor official
spin offs called The Bachelor Listen to Your Heart. It's
(16:41):
a dating show specifically for musicians. So they're going to
intertwine you know, performing writing music with love and then
I believe they'll be episodes like their row ceremony form
is going to be like up on a stage where
a couple they sing together, they performed together, and then
(17:05):
they're voted off based on chemistry and talent. So basically
they're gonna put like a whole bunch of like minded
people in a room. And I think it's kind of
coming out of A Star is Born. Okay, So kind
of imagine like the chemistry that we felt during A
Star is Born and put it on a weekly Bachelor show.
(17:26):
It's the best I can describe it. Isn't there like
a show out there right now, like called like Flirty
Dancing that kind of does Yeah, that one's coming off
of Dirty Dancing, So now it's like kind of like
a whole bunch of TV show adaptations from movies. Um well,
I would say that, Yeah, it actually would be a
fantastic idea for Jed to go and try to redeem
(17:47):
his image on that show. But he has a girlfriend
and he says that he's in love with her, right,
so I don't think he'll be going on anytime soon.
But if it's renewed for a season two and he
breaks up with his girlfriend for some reason, maybe we'll
see him. I mean, honestly, uh, I always do want
to believe in second chances. I don't know the back story.
Here's a crazy part about the Jed thing. I mean,
(18:07):
I think we know kind of what happened. We still
haven't never, never gotten a clear answer from from Jed
on what exactly happened. Well, I think Jed will stand
by the the idea that he really truly broke up
with that girl beforehand. Yeah, well so if that's the case,
if that's the story he's sticking to, if that's the
only story we know, then go on this show and
(18:28):
you know, see if you can find love in a
in a different way and if not, I mean, I
don't know how this this show will enhance your musical career.
This doesn't feel like one of those shows. It feels
like more of like the romance type part might flourish.
But we'll be tuning in and you better believe we'll
be talking about it here in the almost Famous podcast.
I know, like now that this is a new Bachelor
franchise show, are we are we obligated to speak about it.
(18:51):
We're gonna be think I can't believe it's The Bachelor.
Listen to your heart like it's actually a Bachelor show.
It's wild. I mean, our off seasons just gets shorter
and shorter and shorter. I can't imagine being Chris Harris
and that guy has to work all the time. Actually, this, uh,
this season The Bachelor has been nothing less than super dramatic.
(19:14):
I think from everything I'm reading online, all the tweets
and messages, I'm getting drama is the definition of this
season so far. So we're going to talk about this
week's dramatic episode of the Bachelor, but before we do,
let's take one more break. We're gonna come back already
talk about Hannah and Victoria Peter and all of the
(19:34):
drama leading up to the very end of Week three
of The Bachelor, Champagne Gate continues Actuley Well. Champagne Gate
go down as one of the most memorable scenes of
(19:57):
all times. I think, so I'm in love with it.
I think it is hilarious. It is hilarious. It's basically
like an SNL writer's dream. The girls go back and forth.
She pops that champagne on her face. It's a hilarious gift.
And now she goes, I don't even like champagne, and
(20:18):
then Hannah and cannot stop saying I'm not a champagne steeler.
I can't believe how many times she said not a
champagne stealer. Like she just came up. She just came
up with that expression on her own. It's so silly.
I I just can't imagine being in the house. So
let's and in rest in peace. Sarahcy, she's not gone
(20:38):
after this week. Um, but can you imagine being Sarah Cy?
Somebody quiet who feels like exactly yeah. She she didn't
say a lot during this season. Um, she was trending
last night on Twitter because she didn't say a lot.
But people liked her a lot. Oh is this the
really pretty girl? Yeah? My girlfriend brother, Yeah, texting me
(20:59):
about her already. Like just that kind of stuff going on.
So can you imagine being seriously sitting back watching this
go down. You're taking it all in and all you
can hear is two girls going back and forth about
stealing champagne and that you're not a champagne stealer. Like,
how is Peter thinking he's finding his wife in a
group that is talking about stealing champagne? Obviously we all
(21:23):
love champagne? Is the facade for all the issues that
Kelsey and the other girls have with Hannah and and
Kelsey says that the deeper issue here is the bullying
and how the how Hannah ann called her name calling
bullying But in my opinion, it wasn't bullying. It was confrontation,
(21:43):
it was name calling, but it wasn't like this pattern
of aggressive behavior that was threatening Hannah. And do you,
I mean, at this point, because we didn't get a
clear picture of this from this last episode, do you
think Peter has turned off at all right now by
any of these women or do you think he even
knows this is going on to extend which is going on, Okay.
(22:05):
The weirdest thing. The weirdest part about this episode to
me was that we see Hannah Ann and Kelsey had
that conversation by the pool where she says she doesn't
like Champagne all that. It doesn't really conclude, but like
it concludes with us thinking like, oh, this is so
silly that we're just not going to address it anymore.
But the weird part to me is that the last
(22:28):
episode ended with Peter talking about how confused he was
over who was telling the truth and how upset he
was that there was accusations of bullying, and then this
week we don't address that at all. Kelsey doesn't even
have to sweat it out of um sweat it out
at the Row ceremony. She gets a rose right off
(22:49):
the bat. There's no further addressing between the three of
them what went down, and it seems like Peter is
over it. And we had a little bit of this
during Colton season. I remember, if you remember right like that,
that we had the hand of b in Kalen situation
and it was like back and forth for a while.
It got really good and really ugly, then really good again,
(23:13):
and then it just kind of ended, and we were like,
all right, are they good? Like it just stopped. And
I think it might be because there's so much to
pack into each episode now, But some of these storylines
I feel like need a conclusion and I don't think
we have, Like, um, guys, why is the right? Like
I know there's not writing because it's a reality show,
(23:33):
but like we need to close these storylines. They're they're
leaving them wide open. It's gizarre to me, And I mean,
like we have that big hand of storyline and we
have this big storyline and both of them don't conclude,
and then they they focus so much on the Alaya story.
The whole hour was dedicated to Alia, but we couldn't
(23:57):
even just got three minutes concluding the conversation between Kelsey
and and Peter because there obviously was one. There had
to be one. I mean, that's that That is a
confusion for me. So we're gonna talk about Leia here
a little bit in the podcast. So let's run through
how this podcast played or how this episode played out,
and then we have a lot to talk about because honestly,
an hour, like Ashley said, was designated to a Leia
(24:21):
Victoria gets the one on one date. This week they
go line dancing. It was your I think Actuley I
would describe it your is your typical week three one
on one? It was good. Uh. I feel like she's
gonna be around a long time. They have a lot
of potential. There doesn't feel to be a lot of
negatives to their relationship. However, I don't think I was
(24:42):
convinced that she's the one after one one on one day,
Like the sparks didn't fly like you have seen with
like the Nick and Vanessa's right, you said it perfectly.
I watched this. I was like, oh, they have something
to build on. This is not his wife, but she'll
go far. And then I think it was blatantly obvious,
(25:03):
um that there chemistry doesn't even compare to Madison's chemistry.
When we see Madison at the pool party and they're
like forehead to forehead and the most intimate moment ever,
and he's telling her that the date that they had
was the greatest first date of all times. So it
was like, okay, so yes, Victoria, p uh, it was
(25:25):
a nice date. But I don't I don't see I
don't say whoa you know what I did say well
over though, is who Victoria p is as a person,
her story, how she has uh kind of fought through life, UM,
overcoming the passing of her dad and her mom struggle
(25:50):
with addiction, UM, keeping her family together, being the rock
for her family through it all. Uh. I know through
that she mentioned that she never felt worthy for a
guy like Peter. But I'm telling you right now, Victoria
pe if you listen to this podcast at all, which
I'm actually surprised when I get messages from some of
the some of the contestants saying they do listen, you
(26:10):
are definitely worthy of a guy like Peter. You're worthy
of anybody like your story. Just who you are and
what you represent is something to be admired, and that
is something to be celebrated. I'm gonna second you on that.
She's so sweet, so beautiful, and I just can't believe
how many times she's like shocked that a man will
will treat her the way that Peter has been treating her.
It's just it's really sad. I'm like, girl, come on,
(26:35):
know you're worth that's it. No, you're worth. That's a shirt.
Maybe that's our next almost famous shirt is No, you're
Worth's cute. Yeah, yeah, almost famous. No, you're worth Uh.
Then we move into the group date. I mean there's
a lot that kind of happens in between. We're gonna
package all the Laias stuff up in one conversation here
at the end. Should we start to get hints from Alaia?
(26:55):
But the group date has Kira, Sarah, Tammy, Kelly Shy
and Sydney and a Laya on it. The clue is
I love surprises. I hope you do too. Here's the thing.
We wake up or the girls wake up in the morning,
and I guess we wake up in the morning with
him watching the show to Demi not Lovado is back
(27:16):
with Champagne and Killer. She's waking the girls up for
this date. Demmi has had multiple reappearances in the last
two seasons on this show. Ashley, Why I mean, is
Demmy being set up to take over Chris Harrison? No,
we all know that's your position. If I don't know,
(27:38):
Demmi does great. She was crushing it and we I've
never remembered a contestant being brought back as many times
they brought her Dimmi back. Yeah, Demi is just shameless.
She just says everything that no one else well, and
she just brings a lot of energy to an episode.
So I think, like, if they want like a lighthearted, fun,
(28:00):
you know, be a bitch type feel, that's who they're
going to call in, you know. And they went into
a pillow fight. It was supposed to be playful, and
it was also supposed to be like, I'm gonna beat
you up, and it ended up being people beating themselves up.
There's a gift out there going around of one of
the girls I think it was Sarah Ce getting her
head rocked by a pillow. We're watching it at here
(28:23):
in Florida, and I was watching my family and Jessica
and we were all like, this seems intense. There was
also this like weird level where at some point I
forget who said it. Maybe it was um Kelly, I
forget her name. At this point, she says, nobody wants
to see their attorney dressed in lingerie having a pillow fight.
(28:45):
Do you I mean, do you agree? Are these moments
you've been on the show before? Are these moments that
you start to feel uncomfortable or do you think you
just run into it saying Hey, whatever happens happens. I
feel uncomforable. I mean that I felt for her act
because she does have a very powerful law firm in Chicago.
I've heard that like that family does quite well, and
(29:09):
she's one of the more down to earth, serious girls.
I really like Kelly. She's so easy to watch, so
confident in herself. But I can see not being super
cool with being in your enjoy in a pillow fight.
But I think you know it's one of those things
you're not gonna fight it. You're on the Bachelor. What
do you expect? You know when you sign up you're
(29:30):
gonna have to do stuff like that. You're gonna to
do something, uh that that feels a little uncomfortable. Well,
this was an intense group date, all ding it up
um to a really really competitive engine ending where Aliah
wins the pillow fight and wins time with Peter. But
as we know if you've watched the episode Alias, time
(29:55):
on the show does not end well. Actually, here's my
question for you, after watching this group date, after seeing
how it plays out, seeing the chaos that ensues around it,
and then seeing Sydney in a sense call a laya
(30:15):
out at the cocktail portion of the night, is this
I mean, what I have in my notes here is
have these girls not learned their lessons? But yet this
time it worked where Sydney obviously kind of I guess one,
is this something that will just continue to happen? Why
do girls continue to do this and what and why
do girls do this thinking that this is the right
(30:36):
move for their relationship with Peter well as somebody who's
definitely guilty of it during my time, I'm just the
kind of person who can't hold back, Like if somebody,
if I think that somebody is fake and somebody is
just acting completely different in front of the love interests
and they are without the love interest in their presence,
(30:59):
I've good. I have like I'm compelled to say something
and it's so bad and it's kind of well, it's
not so bad. It's actually it's not so bad. It's
something that I wish I could have more control over,
but I don't. And maybe Sydney's the same. Um, it's
just like a compulsion to kind of like take their
blinders off, like you really just want them to see
(31:22):
the person the way that you're you're seeing them, and
you truly don't trust the person you're talking smack on um.
I think that you're right. It's probably never to the
benefit of the relationship between you and the lead. However,
in this case it was an exception to the rule.
For sure. Peter handled us completely differently than so many
(31:44):
other leads have in the past. Most of them get
turned off when you know, you come to them with
drama about somebody else or disliking somebody else. But Peter
really saw it as Sydney looking out for him, which
is a nice way of looking at it. I have
some thoughts further on me on the topic. I don't
(32:05):
like the way that he called Sydney out for it
in front of the whole group. If you wanted to
even pull both girls aside, that would have been fine.
And then I also don't even think he should have
eliminated her in the end. But we'll get to that
a little bit. What do you think. Well, yeah, So,
to summarize this episode, at this point, Victoria p gets
the rows. She stays with Peter after the one on one,
(32:26):
the group day starts up and is one of those
first couple of week group dates. You know, they always
try to get creative. It's always something weird. This time
it was a pillow fight uh in lingerie, all ending
up with the Leah winning and then that the cocktail party. Uh.
That night we sit here now with the leg and
(32:47):
call out by Sydney for being fake. We have this
really weird passive aggressive conversation that we watch between Sydney
and Leah, where Sydney is asking do you feel like
you have to put on a show for the mass is?
Do you feel like because you're pageant history you always
have to say the right things? And I actually in
this part that now I would typically right now, my
(33:08):
guard goes up and I go, Okay, let me watch
for who I'm in favor of this moment right sideOr La,
and I'm watching this, I'm going even if Leia is fake,
I have to give her the benefit of doubt for
admitting it. She's not lying. She's saying, Hey, it's just
something I've been trained to do. Just like sometimes when
we get in front of a camera and we've been
(33:29):
through PR training, or anybody say, you're working for your company,
you have to give a presentation. All of a sudden,
there's a switch that gets turned on and you turn
something on like you do act a little different. You
cover up some things. Maybe you aren't as Lucy goosey,
and you say things a little more respectful or appropriately
in those moments, just based on the situation you're in.
(33:51):
Alia didn't shy away from that, and I had to
give her respect to say, hey, yeah, even though you
do are admitting that you put on a face in
front of the map, you aren't lying that you don't
love that about yourself. Yeah, she's definitely very polished. She's
very image conscious, and that's something that yes, has always
rubbed me the wrong way watching the show, being part
(34:14):
of the show. That's just not my cup of tea.
She's not going to be my friend. But even though
she's not gonna be my friend and I'm more of
the Sydney in the situation she is, the fact that
he eliminated her based on hearsay and just the fact
that she's a little bit more put together than the
other ones are is just I thought it was kind
of ridiculous, especially since he wasn't like she wasn't taking
(34:37):
somebody else's spot. In the rose ceremony, we see Chris
Harrison takeaway a rose because he truly didn't want to
give the other girls a rose, so it wasn't like
she was taking anyone else's spot. He should have kept
her around for another week at least so he could
really see for himself if there was an overbearing facade
(34:58):
to get to know her more. Because even when Victoria
p said, because I mean, yeah, we're getting a little
out of ourselves here. But um, at the rose ceremony,
the cocktail party, the pool party, whatever, he pulls Victoria
P side to talk about Aliah and she goes, yeah,
I knew her before, and she told me not to
tell the producers that I knew her before. And I
(35:19):
actually think that's not a red flag at all. And
Alia's excuse for it was perfect. It was I thought
that if we it was known that we knew each other,
that there was a higher chance of us both not
getting casted. And I think, totally legit. Do you think
that's totally legit? I do. I mean, if I was,
Peter would not have gotten rid of Alia. So here's
(35:42):
my like what I think happened. I wonder if Peter
just Peter just wasn't that into a Leia at some
point during this week and he knew he had to
get like all of this, like hearsay and chaos had
gotten so much inside of his head that he was
kind of over it, and he just said, I'm done,
Like I just need to get rid of the situation
because it's not She's not the one for me, Like
I know there's somebody here that I'm gonna be with
(36:02):
more than a land. Yes, I might want her run
for a few more weeks because she's interesting, intriguing to me,
but she's not the one for me. So I'm just
gonna cut it. Cut it off here. But here's my
critiques for Peter. And it was the first time I've
had major critiques for Peter. I know you probably hated
when he called out Sydney. Oh Peter. If Peter's on
here right now, I would say, that is the craziest
(36:22):
thing I've ever seen. Why do you call her out
in front of the group. Don't do that. That is
I've always said what makes a great bachelor's how they
handle difficult situations. And I think the one of the
worst ways to handle difficult situations is to provide any
opportunity to heighten the argument, and I think in front
of a group, it only provides an opportunity to kind
(36:45):
of heighten the emotions of everybody. It puts everybody on
the fence. It makes everybody feel a little awkward, makes
everybody a little hesitant. It is not fair. Now pull
them aside together, pull them up the side, one on one,
whatever you need to do, but never never kind of
walk into conflict and confronted in front of the group. Peter,
(37:08):
that is your first big mistakest I still think you're great,
You're gonna be great, but that is the first big
mistake that I think. It was super awkward to watch
and just not smart. Yeah, we see that. Can we
see that? La comes back and I don't know if
it's next week's episode, but in the coming season, And um,
it looks this is my me putting together the puzzle pieces.
(37:30):
It looks as if she comes in during the middle
of a group date, and then while she and Peter
are away talking, the other girls get up from the
couches and they're like over it done, and then he's
left at a group date that has been taken away
from him. Muh huh. Well, I got a bunch of
(37:52):
tweets um this week's saying. I can't wait to hear
Ben talking about how much self describing happened on this episode,
and I'm not going to talk about it because every
time I do, all of you little trolls come out
and you start going stop. I've describing, but there was
a lot of it. It didn't make me happy, and
I don't enjoy it any more than I did two
years ago or last year. If why I actually have
(38:15):
a question for you now that I've gotten that off
my chest because I had to talk about it. It
was ridiculous how many people were describing themselves. Um, but anyways,
why are pool parties never parties? I hate the pool parties?
If you guys remember why they have them, I don't know.
It's week three every single season. Now it's predictable. It
was week three. I'm my season. Would you remember if
(38:37):
it was a week here in your season? We never
I don't think we ever had one. Really. Oh, I
hated mine. I don't know if you guys remember not
to talk about myself, but I could not stand the
fact that I couldn't do my car Dashian makeup that night.
I had a look that I planned for that night,
the outfit, the makeup, and then they're like pool party
and I was like, are you kidding me, you guys.
(38:59):
I thought I had all day to chill, all day
to get myself put together, and now you're gonna just
spring this on top of me. The water is too
cold to go into. If you guys are familiar, like
pool temperatures six five, and I'm assuming it's like, is
not a comfortable swimming temperature, and it's like the first
(39:20):
week of October, last week of September. It can be
hot here, but it's not scorching. People were running the
pool because it was too cold. The hot tubs also cold.
The hot tub was hot for us, well, hot tub
was cold for us. There was no enjoyable like water.
Like when they said pool party, I knew exactly well
because Tanner was on my season and so Tanner was
(39:42):
the expert in all things Bachelor, and so they said
pool party. Um, like just for the guys. Caitlin was
even invited overs. They're like, jump in the pool, and
Tanna's like, something dramatic is gonna happen, something weird is
gonna happen. But I don't think we ever ended up
having a pool party. I don't remember it. Usually I
think the pool party happens. Um. They they do the
pool party so that there can be like extended druma
(40:03):
on an episode, because I think they last a little
bit longer than the nighttime cocktail party. Yeah, it just
drags on. It's just weird too, because then like Peter
has to just kind of be bouncing from girl to
girl as like the other girls kind of like lay
at around the pool like they're enjoying themselves. Like this
isn't a party. Like if I've ever been invited to
a party where a bunch of people cry, complain, yell, scream,
(40:25):
and have to watch one dude make out with like
that's a terrible party. There's nothing about that that represents
party to me. Yeah, and it was very bizarre for me.
We actually did get in the water, like there was
twenty two girls in the water with Cris souls and
it was just weird. We're like all trying to touch
him and like he's the only male in the pool.
It was like a little bit too Playboy asked for me, Oh,
(40:47):
that makes me feel so so much uncomfortable, all sorts
of uncomfortability, and now knowing Chris what he had to
feel like so weird. So Dolphin laughs so much uncomfortable this. Uh. Well,
(41:09):
so the breakdown of this episode is this, La is
now gone, uh, Sarah See is now gone, Alexa and
Jasmine are all gone. We move on tweek four with
a really good group of women. I hope the drama
kind of slows down now. Week four and five are
always the weeks where we start seeing love stories blossom
and we start really investing into some of these characters.
(41:31):
So far, I can't say I've invested fully into anybody.
I do think Victoria was somebody I appreciated and would
love to meet and just learn from as a human,
But I think other than that so far, just like
most seasons, there's just a lot of drama. There is
one line of the whole show that stood out to
me at the very end of this episode that really
(41:53):
got under my skin and Ashley and listeners, I need
you to tell me if I'm crazy or not. But
Sydney has a interview and she says this line. She goes,
La is gone. I'm never going I'm never going to
go back on her on my opinion of someone. She goes,
(42:13):
I'm never going to go back on my opinion of someone.
So she's pretty much saying she's happy she called a layout, which, hey,
I can't blame her for call lay out. She felt
like that was right. But I thought that line right.
There was a really hard line for me to process
that she would never go back on her opinion of somebody,
because how many times in my life have I assumed something,
(42:35):
have I thought some way about somebody, and then once
I got to know their story and who they are,
I started to love and appreciate them more. So I
thought that right, there was a really wrong comment to make.
That's a horrible comment to make. I didn't catch that.
But it's interesting because the disclaimer. I put a disclaimer
at the beginning of my Cosmo article this week saying, like,
(42:57):
to all you girls who are part of the cast
right now, it's obviously very hard for me to critique
these episodes because it's gonna be all go and we
run into each other one day. But the but the
main part is that I'm going to run into you
one day, and you're gonna know me from critiquing you
on the show and only what they aired from the show.
(43:19):
There have been so many people that I meet in
real life and my opinion on them completely changes, and
I think I've mentioned this before. It's not just from
The Bachelor, It's even when I was obsessed with American Idol.
I used to like completely criticize these people their personalities
all on the show, and then I would meet them
on the summer tour and some of my least favorites
(43:41):
would become my favorites, and some of the people that
I really liked in the show would end up being
like just okay for me, because you really need to
get to know reality stars in person, and you guys
need to know that your opinion is most likely to
change on them. M hm, I agree, And so I
thought that, I mean, hey, that comment could have been
(44:02):
taken out of context, but for me, that was one
that I just did not appreciate and could not process. Hey,
we're gonna go into some listener emails at that time
of the year before do let's take another break, will
come back with your questions, your thoughts, your concerns, your
critiques on this season of The Bachelor before we go
(44:32):
into emails. So I'm really excited we're doing We haven't
done emails and so long. I just want to bring
up something as part of the teaser this week is
that Victoria F goes on a one on one I
think next week, and she happens to run into one
of her ex is on the date, and he happens
(44:54):
to be one of the performers. Um, it's what's his name, Chase, right,
So Victoria F dated Chris Rice in the past. Of
course she gets put on the Chase Rice date and
I'm living for the drama that is this, and I
feel so much pity for her having to go through it.
(45:17):
Her face when she walked around the corner and saw
Chaser Ice there was just awful, Like it just felt
like her soul had dropped. Can you imagine that may
be the craziest one on one that's ever happened. Now.
I don't know if you saw this, but Chase your
ice head came out publicly and talked about this a
few weeks ago. Uh. He was at an award show
(45:40):
and he had commented on how just like awkward and
upset he was that this happened. I wonder if we'll
hear from Chase this week following the show, because I
bet he felt awkward as well. He was singing to
his ex girlfriend who was dancing with another guy. That's
not cool. Either Chase or Rice got produced. He got produced.
He didn't know. He didn't know that the next girlfriend
(46:02):
or a girl that like maybe wasn't even like an
official thing, but some girl that he like had hung
out before in the past, was going to show up
to his date. He was just as shocked as Victoria.
Victoria was it really really was. It is definitely gonna
be something to watch. It's going to get us all
hooked and intrigued. I cannot imagine it ends well, and
(46:25):
I can't imagine it's anything but awkward. I hope this.
I hope they didn't stand out and dance in front
of him, as he says song, because if they did that,
that would be so awkward, so so awkward. No, I
think that they probably end up talking, but maybe I
don't know if it's before after the dance. Actually it's
(46:45):
jumping the emails here here we got one from Gigi
says to producers till the lead of each season to
keep certain contestants such as the villain, on the show
for a given number of weeks just because they make
good TV and cause more drama, even though the lead
would rather not give them a rose. Also to producers
tell the lead in which order to distribute the roses.
(47:07):
I can answer this question. They definitely don't. Yeah, I've
been there before and I get this question a lot.
I always say this. The producers never told me who
to keep, but they always would tell me, hey, you
should probably get to know this person more. You don't,
especially week one and two, you don't know these women
too well, and so that you would They would say, Hey,
this person is intriguing. Uh, it's a story you probably
(47:30):
want to hear. Keep them around to get to know
their story. But if I would say no, no, no,
I'm very confident I want to send them home, they
would have never fought me on that. That you just
would have tried. I mean, they can become your friends,
your confidence, and so they're just trying to give you
the best advice possible, not only to help everybody uh
in the house, uh kind of keep whatever is going
(47:50):
on going, but also to help you find the one
for you. I never, looking back, felt led astray by
the producers. I always feel like they were honest with me.
I just had to kind of read the line. Sometimes
we saw Peter's producer talk to him. They broke the
fourth while yesterday which I love and said, we're like, yeah,
why did you send her home? I really don't think
(48:12):
that he was that she had encouraged him to send
a lay at home. I think she was truly confused
why he felt compelled to. Yeah, And I think that's
part of it. It's part of their job. Then this
producers to react. I mean, Peter gets to do what
he wants to do. There's no going back to if
he sends him me home unexpectedly. So I do think
(48:32):
what you saw there is a very similar conversation that
every lead is having after the rose ceremony. So where
the producers going, wait, why did you do that? That
didn't make any sense? Are you sure you wanted to
do that? Uh? And then also to the producers to
the lead in which order to st roses. No, I
mean there's there's always like different ways ago about it. No,
(48:54):
because then you watch sometimes and it's cut and edited
uh differently. It's never for it's always just up to
the lead to do this whole thing how they want
to do it. I just don't always read into it
too much. I want to lead give somebody the rose
last like, it doesn't always mean that that was the
last person on their list, Like, that's not the case,
(49:15):
so I don't read in that. Also, sometimes the rose
ceremony the way it airs isn't the actual way it
went down. For drama a fact, I think we can
say that. I need to also say that one time
I told Cris souls like early on because the first
two rows ceremonies, I got the rose like one of
the first three names that were called, and I told him.
(49:36):
Of course, week three, I go, hey, I love that
you give me the rose from me on I can relax.
And then of course of that week going forward, I
was second to last or last every other week. Yep,
actually you just ruined yourself. He's probably like, He's probably like,
I had no clue I was giving you the rose.
(49:59):
I know. We've got multiple emails of people hoping that
my theory from the beginning of the season is accurate.
If you guys need a reminder my theory, it is
that that Chris Harrison comes up to Peter saying that
like Hannah one dancing with Stars, but she feels as
if nothing was complete because you weren't there. So there's
(50:21):
lots of people hoping that the theory is true, and
this one comes from Kristen. It's a little bit of
a spin on my own, it says. My theory is
that Hannah contacts the producers on the last day of
filming and tells them, I need to try this relationship
with you before you get engaged, so please don't get engaged.
(50:43):
Hannah explains that she would have been there in person
had it not been for her commitment to Dancing with
the Stars. Bachelor filming wrapped on November and Dancing with
the Stars wrapped on November, so that does um kind
of poopoo on my own theory, or that she had
one Dancing with the Stars already. She didn't actually win yet,
(51:04):
but she was in the finale. Um. Kristin continues to
say that I think after that bombshell, Peter begins to
date Hannah in real life alongside the final pick from
this season. This is also consistent with my theory. She
says that there will be no engagement, so he eliminates
all the what ifs. Chris Harrison has been teasing that
(51:28):
the show isn't really over yet a k Peter is
still feeling out these relationships in real life, or at
least that's what Kristin believes. That reminds me that, you, guys,
I sneezed in the middle of my vows. Remember that
Ben wasn't that cute? I definitely remember that, and it
was cute. You handled it really well, and I thought
(51:50):
you're gonna be sad that that happened. I thought it
was kind of cute. And my final note from Kristen
is that Peter has been in the most inclusive Bachelor yet.
What is she talking about there? I think what she's saying,
he's like he's like the one that is like the
most decisive, Like he he makes these decisions and he
(52:12):
sticks to them. I think that's where that's coming from.
Like he's the one that is like the clearest to
understand where he's sitting at at all times. I'm imagining,
I mean, I'm imagining that this. I mean, people are
gonna be Peter fans. Uh. This is all going to
be a wild ride. It is crazy how nobody knows
(52:32):
how this ends and they're sticking to that, and there
hasn't been any rumors spread yet. We're all kind of
assuming and thinking through stuff. But I have a feeling
that they're gonna make Peter look super, super confident and
decisive up until the very last couple of weeks, and
then all of a sudden, we're gonna san because he's
Peter's even hinted at it that it looks a lot
(52:53):
like my season did, so he's gonna get really confused
at the end, and confusion at the end is never
fun for the lead, but really entertaining to watch. Yeah,
I'm really excited. It's so cool not to be spoiled free.
And you guys, we never seek out spoilers. It's actually
(53:13):
y'all that ruined it for us. Sometimes I'll get comments
under my Instagram being like, you know it's so and so,
or actually, haven't you heard from so and so that
it's this, And I'm like, no, I've been trying to
prevent hearing that. So it's really cool that this season, um,
there's no accidental spoilers for for us. Right, so, so far,
(53:36):
here's my grade of Peter Weber. I like to do
this every Bachelor season. I think he's doing great. I
think he's in the first couple of weeks, which are
always the hardest. There's a lot of chaos going around
around him at all times. He made a big mistake
by confronting Sydney in a leia in front of the
other women. But other than that, the guy is thriving
in his role as the lead, and I think we're
(53:58):
all enjoying watching We're enjoying talking about it here in
the Almost Famous podcast. But we want to hear from you,
so please email us at Ben and Ashley at i
heeart media dot com, or hashtags on Twitter at Almost
Famous Podcasts. We love hearing from you, We love reading
your insights and your stories, and we love talking about
this show along and along with you because if not,
(54:22):
we just feel like we're talking about the show to
each other, and well that's not half as fun. So hey,
continue to keep it up. Peter's Journey for Love continues
next week on ABC. Until then, I've Been Been, I've
Been Ashley. See you guys. Follow the Benn and Ashley
I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio or subscribe wherever
(54:43):
you listen to podcasts.
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with i R Radio. What a day it is to
be alive and why because it's Bachelor Tuesday, Ashley, I
can Eddie. How you doing? Hey, I'm so good. How
are you? I'm super good. I'm actually right now in Sebastian, Florida. Sebastian,
(00:23):
Florida is the home or my great grandpa bought his
retirement home, and then my grandfather, his brother, his sister
all got vacation homes down here and this is kind
of the the Higgins side of the family where they
where they've retired to. And so I'm down right now
visiting my great aunt. And Jessica came down to spend
the weekend with me as well. That's so nice. Yeah. Hey,
(00:47):
before we started, I've got to talk about myself for
a second. It's something that which one the golf tournament. Yeah,
I gotta talk about it. It's a huge deal. So
if you're out there and you're like, then I don't
want to hear you talk about yourself. This isn't fun
for me. Yeah, well it's really fun for me. So here, um,
my dad, my mother, uh, and Jessica and I all
(01:09):
spent the last week in Orlando, Florida at the Diamond
Resorts Tournament of Champions. Here's what it is. It's a
celebrity tournament and an LPGA tournament side by side. I
have to think the podcast because I think the only
reason I'm still invited into these celebrity tournaments is because
of this podcast. I think because it's it's wild to me.
(01:31):
I mean, I had to play along. My group had
Larry the Cable Guy, Marcus Allen, Heisman Trophy winner, Hall
of Famer. I also had Joe Carter. I I mean,
I played along, and then I also played along some
of these LPGA professionals. It was an amazing week. My
goal was to break eighty one of the days, and
my very last day actually I shot a seventy eight,
(01:53):
which for me and tournament play is incredible. Um, and
I got to have my dad caddying for me all week.
Jessica walk in the Ferriyes, my mom. Is amazing week.
I'm so pumped. That's why I'm such a good mood
today because it was something to be talked about. Ben.
I'm so happy for you. Um. We should be happy
for ourselves collectively because we were nominated for the I
(02:16):
Heart Podcast Award in the Pop category. We did a
whole marathon of the show the other day without you,
and you were greatly missed. My throat was sore after it.
We didn't win, But I know this isn't such a
cliche Hollywood phrase, but it was pretty cool to be nominated.
Did it feel cool when you were there? I mean
I was down here playing in this tournament, so I
(02:37):
wasn't able to make it, but was it cool to
be there? Yeah? So, like a little Bertie's had kind
of told me beforehand that we didn't win, because you know,
we are an I Heard podcast, we kind of have
like insider knowledge is who's gonna win who's not. So
like I knew going into that, so I wasn't like
super like stoked and nervous, Like if I was gonna
have to take an acceptance speech or anything, and I
(02:58):
can't even imagine us winning and you're not being here,
that would be crazy. But when we heard our names, sir,
when I heard my name and then Caitlin heard her name,
like right next to our podcast, it was a really
cool moment. I was like, oh my goodness, I feel
seen and that is you know, it is really nice
to be to feel seen, I think in any part
(03:20):
of life. And for us, this is our first nomination.
I don't think it's gonna be our last. Ashley or
it feels like the podcast just continues to grow. Who
Who Who won the category the Breakfast Club podcast. I'm
not sure if you've ever heard of that before. Jared, Yeah, Jared,
so that they were they were a good one to
lose too. Yeah, yeah, they're good. And I mean we
got to be in the same category as Caitlin, one
(03:42):
of our best. That's really cool. Yeah, awesome. So what
did you learn from this, like marathon of a podcast?
Anything cool to talk about, to recap and kind of
point people back to listen to that episode. Well, if
you guys are Gray as Anatomy fans, Tanya, Becca and
I did a lot of venting over how this show
has been scripted the past couple of years, and of
(04:03):
course the departure of Alex Krev which was horrible. Um.
We also had um oh. I loved the part where
we had the ladies from the Intimate Knowledge podcast. They
it was Brooke Burke, Megan King, Edmund Edmunds and then
a sex therapist that they have on the show as
(04:24):
well as sex relationship therapists, and we talked about like,
you know, feeling sexy and feeling yourself and like just
carrying yourself in that way. So that was really cool.
It was one of my favorite parts of it. And
then I loved having Rosalind Sanchez and her husband Eric
Winter on because Jared Jared joined me for that segment
(04:44):
and we just talked about marriage and it got so
rab and I realized I'm so much like Rosalind and
Jared is so much like Eric, and it was just
like a really cool bonding moment, and especially since I've
watched her shows for years and I think, like she's
just so beautiful and amazing. You got to meet some
really incredible I feel left out, but I mean I
had a great time myself, but I feel like you
had a really good experience at the show. Thank you.
(05:08):
I did. It was a really good podcast. I felt
it was strong. It was strong, and it wasn't It
wasn't about the Bachelor, you know, it was just kind
of fun to mix up every now and then. It
wasn't solely about the Bachelor. Yeah, well, this podcast is
about the Bachelor Day. We have a lot to talk
about when it comes to Bachelor Nation. We have some
news that involved Bachelor Nation in Jennifer Andison. We also
want to talk Luke pe If you forget who he is,
(05:29):
he's the villain from Hannah season. We have some massive,
massive news when it comes around Peter Webber. But before
we get to all these things, Oh my god, wait
before Yeah, Ashley has a crazy fact that you just learned.
I just thought I had to interject it in here
(05:50):
because I would forget it otherwise. Peter Webber was born
at the hospital that my dad has worked out for
the past twenty three years. Wow. That is I had
no clue to this fact. That's an amazing addition to
the show. Did your dad deliver him by chance? No,
so my dad started working there two or three years
(06:11):
after Peter was born there. But it's been the buzz
I was. I was texted by a nurse the other
day like, was Peter born here? Because like everybody's talking
about it, and I was like, oh my god. And
I texted him and I was like where were you born?
And he said Fairfax And I was like, well, there's
only one hospital in like the city of Fairbax, Virginia.
(06:31):
So you were born at my dad's hospital. That's so crazy.
America's favorite little heart throbs was was laying being coddled
in Fairfax, Virginia. One time, Hey asked, before we get
to the massive news surrounding the show, let's take our
first break, talk about our sponsors, and come back to
(06:52):
talk Peter over season of The Bachelor. Actually, you are
a pop culture, uh, source of knowledge. You are like
a Wikipedia of pop culture. You are going to walk
(07:14):
me through these stories because I don't really know them
very well, and I know I can count on you too.
So the first story headline is going to read out
here and you can explain it to me. As Jennifer
Anderson says Hannah Brown can stay home now after appearing
on Peter Webber's season of the Bachelor. She said this
during the SAG Awards interviews. I mean, actually, every week
(07:35):
I find out a new person that loves the show.
Jennifer Anderson was my childhood crush. I adored her. To
the fact that she might possibly know my name just
makes me feel all sorts of ways. But do you
agree that Hannah Brown should stay home? And what did
Jennifer Anison mean by this, there's not much to go
off of. There's not a video interview here, and I
(07:58):
do know that the that the magazines can take quotes
and make a story around them of their own. So
the only quotes we have, um are that she's of
course watching the Bachelor. Um. She says that she believes
that the producers are just using these poor women at
this point, and that she says, I do think Hannah
(08:21):
can stay home now. I think she just has the
opinion that is shared by so many other Bachelor viewers,
which is all right, we've had a little bit of
a Hannah Brown overload right now. I think she's still
going to remain a huge favorite of this franchise. UM.
I think maybe she just you know, she's been seeing
on the past three seasons now and I think people
and plus plus um dancing with the Star. So I
(08:43):
think that a lot of people are just thinking, alright, Hannah,
give us a break from yourself and then come back emerge.
And and if she does take this a little break,
I think she has a higher chance of being the
Bachelor again a couple of years down the road. I
don't think she's going to be on the table as
being the Batch Laurette option for this coming season. So
actually we haven't touched on this subject in a few
(09:05):
weeks now, but we're now three episodes in on Peter
Webber season. Is there a chance that she comes back
on this season ends up with Peter. Is that still
even a possibility? Uh? I don't think so. I think
I lost hope now, But I also still think it
was a really weird way for them to end that chapter.
(09:27):
Last episode was just so inconclusive. We didn't get any answers.
So that's my only it's my only thing keeping me
thinking that possibly there's more to come, but well more
to come here. This might this might be one of
the most interesting stories of the week to me. The
(09:47):
bachelor at villain Luke p if you remember him, he
was definitely the villain on Hannis season. He was around
a long time. Is now seeing Justin Bieber's ex Caitlin Beatles.
I read this headline again. I know nothing about this,
but how and why and what and why and why?
There's not much to go off of besides the headline
(10:10):
in this case as well, they've been seeing each other casually.
It's I don't doesn't look to be a full blown
relationship yet at this point. She's you know, very religious girl,
and and that's her her history. I feel like it
was a very brief relationship because while she looks familiar
(10:31):
and her in her name sounds familiar, um like, she's not,
of course, one of Justin's great loves. You know, she
was probably one of the in between girls between Haley,
Haley and Selena and the The source says that they've
been spending a lot of time together, but they're not
officially dating. They care about the same thing, specifically family
(10:51):
and faith, um, and they're interested to get to know
each other more. They've run in the same circles for
a while. Well, hey, good of them. I hope it's true.
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Justin was literally like
fifteen when he dated her. It says that they dated
around two thousand eight, two thousand nine, so yeah, just
about fifteen. Yeah, so no, wonder Yeah, it's not like
(11:17):
it's not a name that pops off. But hey, you
know what, good for Lupie. We wish him the best. Um,
you know, we haven't heard a lot from him since
his time on the Bachelor, Uh, it makes sense. His
time on that show was rough, to say at least,
so he's bouncing back with just spending some time with
Caitlin Beatles. Who knows where it goes. We hope it
(11:37):
goes somewhere good. Um. Chris Harrison says hosting the Bachelor
franchise has made him a better dad. This was taken
from People dot Com. I mean, I'm sure it's true
Chris has shown. I mean, if you meet Chris off
the show, as as you and I both have. Actually,
he is very similar to how he is on the show,
(11:58):
very polished, very quick witted, knows how to manage a situation. Also,
he is dealt with a bunch of twenty year olds
for twenty years and helping them find love. I think
it would help him get some practice for raising his kids.
It makes sense. Yeah. He says that because of the show,
he's a better listener. He says that he sees situations
(12:21):
in less of a black and white sort of way.
And he says that it's kind of made him in
a way less like, less selfish, where he doesn't think
like my way or the highway anymore. When you're a dad,
And he says, life is not so black and white,
so it makes it makes him see like all different
aspects of a situation. I suppose. Yeah, well, hey, uh,
(12:42):
Chris Harrison just continues to stay in the headlines. And
I mean, I think this is a good opportunity to
say it. What's maybe most surprising about Chris Harrison. Uh,
not because of the man he is, just because of
the industry he lives in. He's been on the show
for a long time and he barely ever, if ever
I can remember, has gotten a negative headline. You're so right,
(13:04):
and that is mine impressing, really really impressive that he
stayed that way. Um, next time line. Peter Webber has
appeared in a commercial for Sylvan Learning Center way back
in the day. If you've watched this commercial, it's something
to be remembered. It just decisiven't a story. I'm just saying.
(13:29):
If you haven't watched it, you gotta go back and
google or something. Peter Webber Sylvan Learning Center. He was
an actor. If you remember this child actor, especially at
one point in his life, it's hilarious. You'll never see
Peter the same way again. I remember do you remember
seeing Yeah, like the Silvan Learning commercials were like so
(13:50):
such like a thing of our high school period, and
I feel like I've definitely seen that one before. Yeah,
I wonder how many people picked up right away that
was him? But remember this, I mean, he's Peter Webber
is a man of many talents. He continues to surprise us.
(14:11):
But I do have some criticisms of him today on
the podcast, So stick around for those I love the guy.
I think he's a good dude, but I have some
questions for Peter, and I want to get him answered.
You know exactly what you're gonna call him out. On
The Bachelor's Marissa Gunn says I gained and then lost
eighty pounds after pageants destroyed my self image. Actually, you
talked to the Game Of podcast about meeting with some
(14:33):
ladies to talk about what makes you feel sexy as
a human. Um, we've heard this a few times now
about pageants. Do you think pageants are putting unneeded pressure
on men and women to be a certain body type
or image. I mean, this is this is hard to
hear that we can't just be celebrated for who we
(14:54):
are and we have to feel like we have to
lose eighty pounds yeah. Um, I feel like pageants are
trying to move along with the times, you know, they
one of them. I think it was as America did
without the bikini competition now, and I think that's great.
(15:14):
I don't think it's needed. I mean, here's the thing.
I remember as a middle schooler watching pageants and I
and I I did that with my family and my
grandma loved pageants, and nothing's you know, there's really never
felt like there's anything needed by the bikini. Um show.
There really isn't. No. I mean, it's about like charm um.
(15:38):
The way you you hold yourself, carry yourself, um, you know,
answered the questions, the way you walk into bikini really
should say nothing about your worthiness to be crowned. Yeah.
Well hey, next and final headline before we jump into
this last episode of the Bachelor, Chris Harrison thinks Jeduy
(15:58):
should compete on the New Bachelor spin off to redeem himself.
We just had jed Y on our live show. I
could say this, uh in the response was not great. Um.
I mean he was great. He he really was. He
he performed, he answered the questions. You could tell he
got a little bit upset. And I get why people
(16:19):
weren't exactly kind to him if I was jed, I mean,
I know he still wants this career. Is this a
good move? Well, I mean he has a girl. Actually,
before you answer, please give our audience a little bit
of a recap of what this new show is. Yeah,
so the new show is. It's actually a Bachelor official
spin offs called The Bachelor Listen to Your Heart. It's
(16:41):
a dating show specifically for musicians. So they're going to
intertwine you know, performing writing music with love and then
I believe they'll be episodes like their row ceremony form
is going to be like up on a stage where
a couple they sing together, they performed together, and then
(17:05):
they're voted off based on chemistry and talent. So basically
they're gonna put like a whole bunch of like minded
people in a room. And I think it's kind of
coming out of A Star is Born. Okay, So kind
of imagine like the chemistry that we felt during A
Star is Born and put it on a weekly Bachelor show.
(17:26):
It's the best I can describe it. Isn't there like
a show out there right now, like called like Flirty
Dancing that kind of does Yeah, that one's coming off
of Dirty Dancing, So now it's like kind of like
a whole bunch of TV show adaptations from movies. Um well,
I would say that, Yeah, it actually would be a
fantastic idea for Jed to go and try to redeem
(17:47):
his image on that show. But he has a girlfriend
and he says that he's in love with her, right,
so I don't think he'll be going on anytime soon.
But if it's renewed for a season two and he
breaks up with his girlfriend for some reason, maybe we'll
see him. I mean, honestly, uh, I always do want
to believe in second chances. I don't know the back story.
Here's a crazy part about the Jed thing. I mean,
(18:07):
I think we know kind of what happened. We still
haven't never, never gotten a clear answer from from Jed
on what exactly happened. Well, I think Jed will stand
by the the idea that he really truly broke up
with that girl beforehand. Yeah, well so if that's the case,
if that's the story he's sticking to, if that's the
only story we know, then go on this show and
(18:28):
you know, see if you can find love in a
in a different way and if not, I mean, I
don't know how this this show will enhance your musical career.
This doesn't feel like one of those shows. It feels
like more of like the romance type part might flourish.
But we'll be tuning in and you better believe we'll
be talking about it here in the almost Famous podcast.
I know, like now that this is a new Bachelor
franchise show, are we are we obligated to speak about it.
(18:51):
We're gonna be think I can't believe it's The Bachelor.
Listen to your heart like it's actually a Bachelor show.
It's wild. I mean, our off seasons just gets shorter
and shorter and shorter. I can't imagine being Chris Harris
and that guy has to work all the time. Actually, this, uh,
this season The Bachelor has been nothing less than super dramatic.
(19:14):
I think from everything I'm reading online, all the tweets
and messages, I'm getting drama is the definition of this
season so far. So we're going to talk about this
week's dramatic episode of the Bachelor, but before we do,
let's take one more break. We're gonna come back already
talk about Hannah and Victoria Peter and all of the
(19:34):
drama leading up to the very end of Week three
of The Bachelor, Champagne Gate continues Actuley Well. Champagne Gate
go down as one of the most memorable scenes of
(19:57):
all times. I think, so I'm in love with it.
I think it is hilarious. It is hilarious. It's basically
like an SNL writer's dream. The girls go back and forth.
She pops that champagne on her face. It's a hilarious gift.
And now she goes, I don't even like champagne, and
(20:18):
then Hannah and cannot stop saying I'm not a champagne steeler.
I can't believe how many times she said not a
champagne stealer. Like she just came up. She just came
up with that expression on her own. It's so silly.
I I just can't imagine being in the house. So
let's and in rest in peace. Sarahcy, she's not gone
(20:38):
after this week. Um, but can you imagine being Sarah Cy?
Somebody quiet who feels like exactly yeah. She she didn't
say a lot during this season. Um, she was trending
last night on Twitter because she didn't say a lot.
But people liked her a lot. Oh is this the
really pretty girl? Yeah? My girlfriend brother, Yeah, texting me
(20:59):
about her already. Like just that kind of stuff going on.
So can you imagine being seriously sitting back watching this
go down. You're taking it all in and all you
can hear is two girls going back and forth about
stealing champagne and that you're not a champagne stealer. Like,
how is Peter thinking he's finding his wife in a
group that is talking about stealing champagne? Obviously we all
(21:23):
love champagne? Is the facade for all the issues that
Kelsey and the other girls have with Hannah and and
Kelsey says that the deeper issue here is the bullying
and how the how Hannah ann called her name calling
bullying But in my opinion, it wasn't bullying. It was confrontation,
(21:43):
it was name calling, but it wasn't like this pattern
of aggressive behavior that was threatening Hannah. And do you,
I mean, at this point, because we didn't get a
clear picture of this from this last episode, do you
think Peter has turned off at all right now by
any of these women or do you think he even
knows this is going on to extend which is going on, Okay.
(22:05):
The weirdest thing. The weirdest part about this episode to
me was that we see Hannah Ann and Kelsey had
that conversation by the pool where she says she doesn't
like Champagne all that. It doesn't really conclude, but like
it concludes with us thinking like, oh, this is so
silly that we're just not going to address it anymore.
But the weird part to me is that the last
(22:28):
episode ended with Peter talking about how confused he was
over who was telling the truth and how upset he
was that there was accusations of bullying, and then this
week we don't address that at all. Kelsey doesn't even
have to sweat it out of um sweat it out
at the Row ceremony. She gets a rose right off
(22:49):
the bat. There's no further addressing between the three of
them what went down, and it seems like Peter is
over it. And we had a little bit of this
during Colton season. I remember, if you remember right like that,
that we had the hand of b in Kalen situation
and it was like back and forth for a while.
It got really good and really ugly, then really good again,
(23:13):
and then it just kind of ended, and we were like,
all right, are they good? Like it just stopped. And
I think it might be because there's so much to
pack into each episode now, But some of these storylines
I feel like need a conclusion and I don't think
we have, Like, um, guys, why is the right? Like
I know there's not writing because it's a reality show,
(23:33):
but like we need to close these storylines. They're they're
leaving them wide open. It's gizarre to me, And I mean,
like we have that big hand of storyline and we
have this big storyline and both of them don't conclude,
and then they they focus so much on the Alaya story.
The whole hour was dedicated to Alia, but we couldn't
(23:57):
even just got three minutes concluding the conversation between Kelsey
and and Peter because there obviously was one. There had
to be one. I mean, that's that That is a
confusion for me. So we're gonna talk about Leia here
a little bit in the podcast. So let's run through
how this podcast played or how this episode played out,
and then we have a lot to talk about because honestly,
an hour, like Ashley said, was designated to a Leia
(24:21):
Victoria gets the one on one date. This week they
go line dancing. It was your I think Actuley I
would describe it your is your typical week three one
on one? It was good. Uh. I feel like she's
gonna be around a long time. They have a lot
of potential. There doesn't feel to be a lot of
negatives to their relationship. However, I don't think I was
(24:42):
convinced that she's the one after one one on one day,
Like the sparks didn't fly like you have seen with
like the Nick and Vanessa's right, you said it perfectly.
I watched this. I was like, oh, they have something
to build on. This is not his wife, but she'll
go far. And then I think it was blatantly obvious,
(25:03):
um that there chemistry doesn't even compare to Madison's chemistry.
When we see Madison at the pool party and they're
like forehead to forehead and the most intimate moment ever,
and he's telling her that the date that they had
was the greatest first date of all times. So it
was like, okay, so yes, Victoria, p uh, it was
(25:25):
a nice date. But I don't I don't see I
don't say whoa you know what I did say well
over though, is who Victoria p is as a person,
her story, how she has uh kind of fought through life, UM,
overcoming the passing of her dad and her mom struggle
(25:50):
with addiction, UM, keeping her family together, being the rock
for her family through it all. Uh. I know through
that she mentioned that she never felt worthy for a
guy like Peter. But I'm telling you right now, Victoria
pe if you listen to this podcast at all, which
I'm actually surprised when I get messages from some of
the some of the contestants saying they do listen, you
(26:10):
are definitely worthy of a guy like Peter. You're worthy
of anybody like your story. Just who you are and
what you represent is something to be admired, and that
is something to be celebrated. I'm gonna second you on that.
She's so sweet, so beautiful, and I just can't believe
how many times she's like shocked that a man will
will treat her the way that Peter has been treating her.
It's just it's really sad. I'm like, girl, come on,
(26:35):
know you're worth that's it. No, you're worth. That's a shirt.
Maybe that's our next almost famous shirt is No, you're
Worth's cute. Yeah, yeah, almost famous. No, you're worth Uh.
Then we move into the group date. I mean there's
a lot that kind of happens in between. We're gonna
package all the Laias stuff up in one conversation here
at the end. Should we start to get hints from Alaia?
(26:55):
But the group date has Kira, Sarah, Tammy, Kelly Shy
and Sydney and a Laya on it. The clue is
I love surprises. I hope you do too. Here's the thing.
We wake up or the girls wake up in the morning,
and I guess we wake up in the morning with
him watching the show to Demi not Lovado is back
(27:16):
with Champagne and Killer. She's waking the girls up for
this date. Demmi has had multiple reappearances in the last
two seasons on this show. Ashley, Why I mean, is
Demmy being set up to take over Chris Harrison? No,
we all know that's your position. If I don't know,
(27:38):
Demmi does great. She was crushing it and we I've
never remembered a contestant being brought back as many times
they brought her Dimmi back. Yeah, Demi is just shameless.
She just says everything that no one else well, and
she just brings a lot of energy to an episode.
So I think, like, if they want like a lighthearted, fun,
(28:00):
you know, be a bitch type feel, that's who they're
going to call in, you know. And they went into
a pillow fight. It was supposed to be playful, and
it was also supposed to be like, I'm gonna beat
you up, and it ended up being people beating themselves up.
There's a gift out there going around of one of
the girls I think it was Sarah Ce getting her
head rocked by a pillow. We're watching it at here
(28:23):
in Florida, and I was watching my family and Jessica
and we were all like, this seems intense. There was
also this like weird level where at some point I
forget who said it. Maybe it was um Kelly, I
forget her name. At this point, she says, nobody wants
to see their attorney dressed in lingerie having a pillow fight.
(28:45):
Do you I mean, do you agree? Are these moments
you've been on the show before? Are these moments that
you start to feel uncomfortable or do you think you
just run into it saying Hey, whatever happens happens. I
feel uncomforable. I mean that I felt for her act
because she does have a very powerful law firm in Chicago.
I've heard that like that family does quite well, and
(29:09):
she's one of the more down to earth, serious girls.
I really like Kelly. She's so easy to watch, so
confident in herself. But I can see not being super
cool with being in your enjoy in a pillow fight.
But I think you know it's one of those things
you're not gonna fight it. You're on the Bachelor. What
do you expect? You know when you sign up you're
(29:30):
gonna have to do stuff like that. You're gonna to
do something, uh that that feels a little uncomfortable. Well,
this was an intense group date, all ding it up
um to a really really competitive engine ending where Aliah
wins the pillow fight and wins time with Peter. But
as we know if you've watched the episode Alias, time
(29:55):
on the show does not end well. Actually, here's my
question for you, after watching this group date, after seeing
how it plays out, seeing the chaos that ensues around it,
and then seeing Sydney in a sense call a laya
(30:15):
out at the cocktail portion of the night, is this
I mean, what I have in my notes here is
have these girls not learned their lessons? But yet this
time it worked where Sydney obviously kind of I guess one,
is this something that will just continue to happen? Why
do girls continue to do this and what and why
do girls do this thinking that this is the right
(30:36):
move for their relationship with Peter well as somebody who's
definitely guilty of it during my time, I'm just the
kind of person who can't hold back, Like if somebody,
if I think that somebody is fake and somebody is
just acting completely different in front of the love interests
and they are without the love interest in their presence,
(30:59):
I've good. I have like I'm compelled to say something
and it's so bad and it's kind of well, it's
not so bad. It's actually it's not so bad. It's
something that I wish I could have more control over,
but I don't. And maybe Sydney's the same. Um, it's
just like a compulsion to kind of like take their
blinders off, like you really just want them to see
(31:22):
the person the way that you're you're seeing them, and
you truly don't trust the person you're talking smack on um.
I think that you're right. It's probably never to the
benefit of the relationship between you and the lead. However,
in this case it was an exception to the rule.
For sure. Peter handled us completely differently than so many
(31:44):
other leads have in the past. Most of them get
turned off when you know, you come to them with
drama about somebody else or disliking somebody else. But Peter
really saw it as Sydney looking out for him, which
is a nice way of looking at it. I have
some thoughts further on me on the topic. I don't
(32:05):
like the way that he called Sydney out for it
in front of the whole group. If you wanted to
even pull both girls aside, that would have been fine.
And then I also don't even think he should have
eliminated her in the end. But we'll get to that
a little bit. What do you think. Well, yeah, So,
to summarize this episode, at this point, Victoria p gets
the rows. She stays with Peter after the one on one,
(32:26):
the group day starts up and is one of those
first couple of week group dates. You know, they always
try to get creative. It's always something weird. This time
it was a pillow fight uh in lingerie, all ending
up with the Leah winning and then that the cocktail party. Uh.
That night we sit here now with the leg and
(32:47):
call out by Sydney for being fake. We have this
really weird passive aggressive conversation that we watch between Sydney
and Leah, where Sydney is asking do you feel like
you have to put on a show for the mass is?
Do you feel like because you're pageant history you always
have to say the right things? And I actually in
this part that now I would typically right now, my
(33:08):
guard goes up and I go, Okay, let me watch
for who I'm in favor of this moment right sideOr La,
and I'm watching this, I'm going even if Leia is fake,
I have to give her the benefit of doubt for
admitting it. She's not lying. She's saying, Hey, it's just
something I've been trained to do. Just like sometimes when
we get in front of a camera and we've been
(33:29):
through PR training, or anybody say, you're working for your company,
you have to give a presentation. All of a sudden,
there's a switch that gets turned on and you turn
something on like you do act a little different. You
cover up some things. Maybe you aren't as Lucy goosey,
and you say things a little more respectful or appropriately
in those moments, just based on the situation you're in.
(33:51):
Alia didn't shy away from that, and I had to
give her respect to say, hey, yeah, even though you
do are admitting that you put on a face in
front of the map, you aren't lying that you don't
love that about yourself. Yeah, she's definitely very polished. She's
very image conscious, and that's something that yes, has always
rubbed me the wrong way watching the show, being part
(34:14):
of the show. That's just not my cup of tea.
She's not going to be my friend. But even though
she's not gonna be my friend and I'm more of
the Sydney in the situation she is, the fact that
he eliminated her based on hearsay and just the fact
that she's a little bit more put together than the
other ones are is just I thought it was kind
of ridiculous, especially since he wasn't like she wasn't taking
(34:37):
somebody else's spot. In the rose ceremony, we see Chris
Harrison takeaway a rose because he truly didn't want to
give the other girls a rose, so it wasn't like
she was taking anyone else's spot. He should have kept
her around for another week at least so he could
really see for himself if there was an overbearing facade
(34:58):
to get to know her more. Because even when Victoria
p said, because I mean, yeah, we're getting a little
out of ourselves here. But um, at the rose ceremony,
the cocktail party, the pool party, whatever, he pulls Victoria
P side to talk about Aliah and she goes, yeah,
I knew her before, and she told me not to
tell the producers that I knew her before. And I
(35:19):
actually think that's not a red flag at all. And
Alia's excuse for it was perfect. It was I thought
that if we it was known that we knew each other,
that there was a higher chance of us both not
getting casted. And I think, totally legit. Do you think
that's totally legit? I do. I mean, if I was,
Peter would not have gotten rid of Alia. So here's
(35:42):
my like what I think happened. I wonder if Peter
just Peter just wasn't that into a Leia at some
point during this week and he knew he had to
get like all of this, like hearsay and chaos had
gotten so much inside of his head that he was
kind of over it, and he just said, I'm done,
Like I just need to get rid of the situation
because it's not She's not the one for me, Like
I know there's somebody here that I'm gonna be with
(36:02):
more than a land. Yes, I might want her run
for a few more weeks because she's interesting, intriguing to me,
but she's not the one for me. So I'm just
gonna cut it. Cut it off here. But here's my
critiques for Peter. And it was the first time I've
had major critiques for Peter. I know you probably hated
when he called out Sydney. Oh Peter. If Peter's on
here right now, I would say, that is the craziest
(36:22):
thing I've ever seen. Why do you call her out
in front of the group. Don't do that. That is
I've always said what makes a great bachelor's how they
handle difficult situations. And I think the one of the
worst ways to handle difficult situations is to provide any
opportunity to heighten the argument, and I think in front
of a group, it only provides an opportunity to kind
(36:45):
of heighten the emotions of everybody. It puts everybody on
the fence. It makes everybody feel a little awkward, makes
everybody a little hesitant. It is not fair. Now pull
them aside together, pull them up the side, one on one,
whatever you need to do, but never never kind of
walk into conflict and confronted in front of the group. Peter,
(37:08):
that is your first big mistakest I still think you're great,
You're gonna be great, but that is the first big
mistake that I think. It was super awkward to watch
and just not smart. Yeah, we see that. Can we
see that? La comes back and I don't know if
it's next week's episode, but in the coming season, And um,
it looks this is my me putting together the puzzle pieces.
(37:30):
It looks as if she comes in during the middle
of a group date, and then while she and Peter
are away talking, the other girls get up from the
couches and they're like over it done, and then he's
left at a group date that has been taken away
from him. Muh huh. Well, I got a bunch of
(37:52):
tweets um this week's saying. I can't wait to hear
Ben talking about how much self describing happened on this episode,
and I'm not going to talk about it because every
time I do, all of you little trolls come out
and you start going stop. I've describing, but there was
a lot of it. It didn't make me happy, and
I don't enjoy it any more than I did two
years ago or last year. If why I actually have
(38:15):
a question for you now that I've gotten that off
my chest because I had to talk about it. It
was ridiculous how many people were describing themselves. Um, but anyways,
why are pool parties never parties? I hate the pool parties?
If you guys remember why they have them, I don't know.
It's week three every single season. Now it's predictable. It
was week three. I'm my season. Would you remember if
(38:37):
it was a week here in your season? We never
I don't think we ever had one. Really. Oh, I
hated mine. I don't know if you guys remember not
to talk about myself, but I could not stand the
fact that I couldn't do my car Dashian makeup that night.
I had a look that I planned for that night,
the outfit, the makeup, and then they're like pool party
and I was like, are you kidding me, you guys.
(38:59):
I thought I had all day to chill, all day
to get myself put together, and now you're gonna just
spring this on top of me. The water is too
cold to go into. If you guys are familiar, like
pool temperatures six five, and I'm assuming it's like, is
not a comfortable swimming temperature, and it's like the first
(39:20):
week of October, last week of September. It can be
hot here, but it's not scorching. People were running the
pool because it was too cold. The hot tubs also cold.
The hot tub was hot for us, well, hot tub
was cold for us. There was no enjoyable like water.
Like when they said pool party, I knew exactly well
because Tanner was on my season and so Tanner was
(39:42):
the expert in all things Bachelor, and so they said
pool party. Um, like just for the guys. Caitlin was
even invited overs. They're like, jump in the pool, and
Tanna's like, something dramatic is gonna happen, something weird is
gonna happen. But I don't think we ever ended up
having a pool party. I don't remember it. Usually I
think the pool party happens. Um. They they do the
pool party so that there can be like extended druma
(40:03):
on an episode, because I think they last a little
bit longer than the nighttime cocktail party. Yeah, it just
drags on. It's just weird too, because then like Peter
has to just kind of be bouncing from girl to
girl as like the other girls kind of like lay
at around the pool like they're enjoying themselves. Like this
isn't a party. Like if I've ever been invited to
a party where a bunch of people cry, complain, yell, scream,
(40:25):
and have to watch one dude make out with like
that's a terrible party. There's nothing about that that represents
party to me. Yeah, and it was very bizarre for me.
We actually did get in the water, like there was
twenty two girls in the water with Cris souls and
it was just weird. We're like all trying to touch
him and like he's the only male in the pool.
It was like a little bit too Playboy asked for me, Oh,
(40:47):
that makes me feel so so much uncomfortable, all sorts
of uncomfortability, and now knowing Chris what he had to
feel like so weird. So Dolphin laughs so much uncomfortable this. Uh. Well,
(41:09):
so the breakdown of this episode is this, La is
now gone, uh, Sarah See is now gone, Alexa and
Jasmine are all gone. We move on tweek four with
a really good group of women. I hope the drama
kind of slows down now. Week four and five are
always the weeks where we start seeing love stories blossom
and we start really investing into some of these characters.
(41:31):
So far, I can't say I've invested fully into anybody.
I do think Victoria was somebody I appreciated and would
love to meet and just learn from as a human,
But I think other than that so far, just like
most seasons, there's just a lot of drama. There is
one line of the whole show that stood out to
me at the very end of this episode that really
(41:53):
got under my skin and Ashley and listeners, I need
you to tell me if I'm crazy or not. But
Sydney has a interview and she says this line. She goes,
La is gone. I'm never going I'm never going to
go back on her on my opinion of someone. She goes,
(42:13):
I'm never going to go back on my opinion of someone.
So she's pretty much saying she's happy she called a layout, which, hey,
I can't blame her for call lay out. She felt
like that was right. But I thought that line right.
There was a really hard line for me to process
that she would never go back on her opinion of somebody,
because how many times in my life have I assumed something,
(42:35):
have I thought some way about somebody, and then once
I got to know their story and who they are,
I started to love and appreciate them more. So I
thought that right, there was a really wrong comment to make.
That's a horrible comment to make. I didn't catch that.
But it's interesting because the disclaimer. I put a disclaimer
at the beginning of my Cosmo article this week saying, like,
(42:57):
to all you girls who are part of the cast
right now, it's obviously very hard for me to critique
these episodes because it's gonna be all go and we
run into each other one day. But the but the
main part is that I'm going to run into you
one day, and you're gonna know me from critiquing you
on the show and only what they aired from the show.
(43:19):
There have been so many people that I meet in
real life and my opinion on them completely changes, and
I think I've mentioned this before. It's not just from
The Bachelor, It's even when I was obsessed with American Idol.
I used to like completely criticize these people their personalities
all on the show, and then I would meet them
on the summer tour and some of my least favorites
(43:41):
would become my favorites, and some of the people that
I really liked in the show would end up being
like just okay for me, because you really need to
get to know reality stars in person, and you guys
need to know that your opinion is most likely to
change on them. M hm, I agree, And so I
thought that, I mean, hey, that comment could have been
(44:02):
taken out of context, but for me, that was one
that I just did not appreciate and could not process. Hey,
we're gonna go into some listener emails at that time
of the year before do let's take another break, will
come back with your questions, your thoughts, your concerns, your
critiques on this season of The Bachelor before we go
(44:32):
into emails. So I'm really excited we're doing We haven't
done emails and so long. I just want to bring
up something as part of the teaser this week is
that Victoria F goes on a one on one I
think next week, and she happens to run into one
of her ex is on the date, and he happens
(44:54):
to be one of the performers. Um, it's what's his name, Chase, right,
So Victoria F dated Chris Rice in the past. Of
course she gets put on the Chase Rice date and
I'm living for the drama that is this, and I
feel so much pity for her having to go through it.
(45:17):
Her face when she walked around the corner and saw
Chaser Ice there was just awful, Like it just felt
like her soul had dropped. Can you imagine that may
be the craziest one on one that's ever happened. Now.
I don't know if you saw this, but Chase your
ice head came out publicly and talked about this a
few weeks ago. Uh. He was at an award show
(45:40):
and he had commented on how just like awkward and
upset he was that this happened. I wonder if we'll
hear from Chase this week following the show, because I
bet he felt awkward as well. He was singing to
his ex girlfriend who was dancing with another guy. That's
not cool. Either Chase or Rice got produced. He got produced.
He didn't know. He didn't know that the next girlfriend
(46:02):
or a girl that like maybe wasn't even like an
official thing, but some girl that he like had hung
out before in the past, was going to show up
to his date. He was just as shocked as Victoria.
Victoria was it really really was. It is definitely gonna
be something to watch. It's going to get us all
hooked and intrigued. I cannot imagine it ends well, and
(46:25):
I can't imagine it's anything but awkward. I hope this.
I hope they didn't stand out and dance in front
of him, as he says song, because if they did that,
that would be so awkward, so so awkward. No, I
think that they probably end up talking, but maybe I
don't know if it's before after the dance. Actually it's
(46:45):
jumping the emails here here we got one from Gigi
says to producers till the lead of each season to
keep certain contestants such as the villain, on the show
for a given number of weeks just because they make
good TV and cause more drama, even though the lead
would rather not give them a rose. Also to producers
tell the lead in which order to distribute the roses.
(47:07):
I can answer this question. They definitely don't. Yeah, I've
been there before and I get this question a lot.
I always say this. The producers never told me who
to keep, but they always would tell me, hey, you
should probably get to know this person more. You don't,
especially week one and two, you don't know these women
too well, and so that you would They would say, Hey,
this person is intriguing. Uh, it's a story you probably
(47:30):
want to hear. Keep them around to get to know
their story. But if I would say no, no, no,
I'm very confident I want to send them home, they
would have never fought me on that. That you just
would have tried. I mean, they can become your friends,
your confidence, and so they're just trying to give you
the best advice possible, not only to help everybody uh
in the house, uh kind of keep whatever is going
(47:50):
on going, but also to help you find the one
for you. I never, looking back, felt led astray by
the producers. I always feel like they were honest with me.
I just had to kind of read the line. Sometimes
we saw Peter's producer talk to him. They broke the
fourth while yesterday which I love and said, we're like, yeah,
why did you send her home? I really don't think
(48:12):
that he was that she had encouraged him to send
a lay at home. I think she was truly confused
why he felt compelled to. Yeah, And I think that's
part of it. It's part of their job. Then this
producers to react. I mean, Peter gets to do what
he wants to do. There's no going back to if
he sends him me home unexpectedly. So I do think
(48:32):
what you saw there is a very similar conversation that
every lead is having after the rose ceremony. So where
the producers going, wait, why did you do that? That
didn't make any sense? Are you sure you wanted to
do that? Uh? And then also to the producers to
the lead in which order to st roses. No, I
mean there's there's always like different ways ago about it. No,
(48:54):
because then you watch sometimes and it's cut and edited
uh differently. It's never for it's always just up to
the lead to do this whole thing how they want
to do it. I just don't always read into it
too much. I want to lead give somebody the rose
last like, it doesn't always mean that that was the
last person on their list, Like, that's not the case,
(49:15):
so I don't read in that. Also, sometimes the rose
ceremony the way it airs isn't the actual way it
went down. For drama a fact, I think we can
say that. I need to also say that one time
I told Cris souls like early on because the first
two rows ceremonies, I got the rose like one of
the first three names that were called, and I told him.
(49:36):
Of course, week three, I go, hey, I love that
you give me the rose from me on I can relax.
And then of course of that week going forward, I
was second to last or last every other week. Yep,
actually you just ruined yourself. He's probably like, He's probably like,
I had no clue I was giving you the rose.
(49:59):
I know. We've got multiple emails of people hoping that
my theory from the beginning of the season is accurate.
If you guys need a reminder my theory, it is
that that Chris Harrison comes up to Peter saying that
like Hannah one dancing with Stars, but she feels as
if nothing was complete because you weren't there. So there's
(50:21):
lots of people hoping that the theory is true, and
this one comes from Kristen. It's a little bit of
a spin on my own, it says. My theory is
that Hannah contacts the producers on the last day of
filming and tells them, I need to try this relationship
with you before you get engaged, so please don't get engaged.
(50:43):
Hannah explains that she would have been there in person
had it not been for her commitment to Dancing with
the Stars. Bachelor filming wrapped on November and Dancing with
the Stars wrapped on November, so that does um kind
of poopoo on my own theory, or that she had
one Dancing with the Stars already. She didn't actually win yet,
(51:04):
but she was in the finale. Um. Kristin continues to
say that I think after that bombshell, Peter begins to
date Hannah in real life alongside the final pick from
this season. This is also consistent with my theory. She
says that there will be no engagement, so he eliminates
all the what ifs. Chris Harrison has been teasing that
(51:28):
the show isn't really over yet a k Peter is
still feeling out these relationships in real life, or at
least that's what Kristin believes. That reminds me that, you, guys,
I sneezed in the middle of my vows. Remember that
Ben wasn't that cute? I definitely remember that, and it
was cute. You handled it really well, and I thought
(51:50):
you're gonna be sad that that happened. I thought it
was kind of cute. And my final note from Kristen
is that Peter has been in the most inclusive Bachelor yet.
What is she talking about there? I think what she's saying,
he's like he's like the one that is like the
most decisive, Like he he makes these decisions and he
(52:12):
sticks to them. I think that's where that's coming from.
Like he's the one that is like the clearest to
understand where he's sitting at at all times. I'm imagining,
I mean, I'm imagining that this. I mean, people are
gonna be Peter fans. Uh. This is all going to
be a wild ride. It is crazy how nobody knows
(52:32):
how this ends and they're sticking to that, and there
hasn't been any rumors spread yet. We're all kind of
assuming and thinking through stuff. But I have a feeling
that they're gonna make Peter look super, super confident and
decisive up until the very last couple of weeks, and
then all of a sudden, we're gonna san because he's
Peter's even hinted at it that it looks a lot
(52:53):
like my season did, so he's gonna get really confused
at the end, and confusion at the end is never
fun for the lead, but really entertaining to watch. Yeah,
I'm really excited. It's so cool not to be spoiled free.
And you guys, we never seek out spoilers. It's actually
(53:13):
y'all that ruined it for us. Sometimes I'll get comments
under my Instagram being like, you know it's so and so,
or actually, haven't you heard from so and so that
it's this, And I'm like, no, I've been trying to
prevent hearing that. So it's really cool that this season, um,
there's no accidental spoilers for for us. Right, so, so far,
(53:36):
here's my grade of Peter Weber. I like to do
this every Bachelor season. I think he's doing great. I
think he's in the first couple of weeks, which are
always the hardest. There's a lot of chaos going around
around him at all times. He made a big mistake
by confronting Sydney in a leia in front of the
other women. But other than that, the guy is thriving
in his role as the lead, and I think we're
(53:58):
all enjoying watching We're enjoying talking about it here in
the Almost Famous podcast. But we want to hear from you,
so please email us at Ben and Ashley at i
heeart media dot com, or hashtags on Twitter at Almost
Famous Podcasts. We love hearing from you, We love reading
your insights and your stories, and we love talking about
this show along and along with you because if not,
(54:22):
we just feel like we're talking about the show to
each other, and well that's not half as fun. So hey,
continue to keep it up. Peter's Journey for Love continues
next week on ABC. Until then, I've Been Been, I've
Been Ashley. See you guys. Follow the Benn and Ashley
I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio or subscribe wherever
(54:43):
you listen to podcasts.
Hosts And Creators
Ben Higgins
Ashley Iaconetti
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.