November 3, 2025 • 41 mins
Ben is hanging out with season 29 Bachelor Grant Ellis and there are a LOT of things to clear up!
Grant spills everything about the alleged coin flip, the truth behind his celibacy, and more details on why the engagement was called off with Juliana.
Plus, we find out what he really meant when he said he was “not heartbroken” after the break-up.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's almost Famous podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
I'm here today. I'm excited to be here. It's gonna
be a big interview. I'm gonna be having a conversation
that I can promise you will be very interesting. My
guest is someone who made waves and Bachelor Nation and
then continued to keep us on edge and at times
perplexed us after his time on the show. We're gonna
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talk about his breakup, his celibacy, and more Bachelor to
Bachelor content. Please welcome Grant Ellis to the Almost Famous Podcast. Grant,
we have a lot to talk about today. I don't
know if you saw. You're obviously in Los Angeles right now.
We're going to talk about some of the stuff you're
up to in LA. But we just had my co host, Ashley,
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had an interview with Letia just a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
She told us.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Some of the behind the scenes to your season. It's
only fair that we also get your perspective on some
of the things that we.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Talked about with her.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
But before we get started, Grant, welcome to the Listener's podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And you guys are having me have Yeah, I saw
the podcast with Latia, and I would love to give
you my perspective because obviously it's one side to the
to the equation, but I would love to Yeah, I would.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Love to dive in. Thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Before we kind of get into the meat of this,
there's so many things I want to talk to you about.
I want to talk to you about this this deal
that we've seen you talk promoting called the Reality Games.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Can you tell us what this is?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, it's just one of my really good friends has
a pretty big agency out here and he's hosting The
Reality Games. Is some some influencers, some of the top
influences in the space, from some guys from Love Island,
some people I would be the representation from Bachelor Nation
and it's we're team captain's and we're hosting like a combine.
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Is gonna be dodgeball, basketball football for a prize, and
it's all going to be streamed on Twitch. So it's
a good way to to reach a new audience, to
reach the younger audience and just send a positive, positive message.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Now, I also saw it's going to be held in
the professional soccer stadium there.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, how many people will be there live I'm.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Not sure how many people are gonna be there, but
it is. We're gonna We're inviting one hundred kids. It's
the largest toy drive in America, so there's gonna be
a lot of kids there. There's gonna be a lot
of family, a lot of friends, and it's gonna be
streamed live on the internet.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
So it's gonna be it's a it's a pretty cool event.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
When's it taking place?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
December thirteenth is the date.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Okay, so there's a you have a little bit of time.
Who else in Bachelor Nation is going to be a
part of it?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I know my friend Brandon Jones actually drafted him from
I think he was from Michelle season.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
But that's gonna be really it from Bachelor Nation.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
We're kind of like, you know, we got a couple
people in Bachlin Nation, a couple people in Love Island,
a cop from a different other reality shows.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So okay, cool.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So if somebody wants to watch this, twitch would be
the best place, best platform to tune in December thirteenth.
You said it will be live watching some of your
favorite people from Love Island. Dat donations some of the
other shows compete for the reality Olympics.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Is that a fair way to say it.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yeah, Yeah, it's the first it's the first one.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
So we're hoping to get it off with a good
start and also helping me promoting get my message out
there on my Twitch. So yeah, December thirteenth, it'll be
live and it'll be it'll be a good show.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
All right, let's dive into some of the things that
we want to hear from you about Grant. As I mentioned,
we had a Latie on the podcast. The episode has
been listened by many at this point. One of the
things she said that I think stood out to the
listeners was that she said that you told her and
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assured her that she was the one, which is why
the breakup felt so shocking to her. It's why it
felt watching it back that she was so surprised. But
you recently said on a podcast that you didn't say that.
You said you were trying to talk through the process
with multiple women, that you never assured Latia that she
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was the one.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So who is telling the truth?
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, listen.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Since the airing of the show, I think, obviously I
understand Latia's perspective. I understand that she was her, but
she said a lot of things that I didn't say.
I mean, she also said that I told people that
I slept with Juliana. She went on a podcast, so
she said a lot of things that I didn't say.
And you know, they're all behind camera, and that's fine.
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Everybody's allowed to have their opinion, our perspective. But I
don't think with me being a lead and me being
miked up, and you know, when you sign a contract
be the lead, they could very easy dependent on what
can get more views or what's good, they could very editing,
can very easily make you the very of your own season,
or or it could be a great love story. So
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when I was doing the show, I was very careful
about what I said. And obviously words are misconstrue, but
I don't think it would be very smart of me
to sit there and be miked up and be telling
somebody that they're my person when I'm dating, you know,
twenty six twenty five with the woman. Now, what I
did tell her, I did tell her I loved her
one hundred percent because I did, and I was in
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my heart was in a tough place, you know, I
put my all into it, and yeah, that's that you know,
I don't really have much to speak on it, and
she's allowed to feel how she feels.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
But I will say that's not true.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And there's the reason why everything is up for interpretation
is off camera. I never told her I said things
like I'm falling for you. I did fell I fell
in love with her, but ultimately, you know, I realized
that she wasn't my.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Person, and there was a lot of external factors. You know.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I don't think that she was the most honest with
me either, you know. So that's that, and it's okay,
you know what I'm saying. That's in the past, and
it's okay. I mean, I don't really appreciate some of
the things, but I understand her hurt, and I understand
where she's coming from, and she's a great human and
I'm sure she doesn't mean any any mal intent.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
So that's all I have to say on that.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Is there anything if?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean, she was obviously just on the show, she
listens to the podcast. I'm assuming she's going to listen
to this. What would you want to say to her?
I mean, obviously I can relate with you with the
difficulty of processing the last few weeks of the experience
trying to navigate and say the appropriate things and the
right things. I've never shied away from the things I said.
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I'm not like proud of them. I don't think it
was helpful, but I you know, it happened, good, bad
and different. So if she's listening to this and you
get a chance to speak to her through a show,
what would you want to tell her?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I would just first of all, I would just apologize, Like,
I know how hard of a situation it is to
be to be broken up with, and I like I've
been through that.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I didn't mean for things to go that way.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
It was a difficult choice, but I had to. I
had to go with my heart, and I tried to
be the whole season. I tried to be as upstanding
and as I could now, whether however people want to
view me or ever words got misstrewed. You know, I
don't think you know. Me and Latia had a very
strong connection, you know what I'm saying. We we even
like we had nicknames for each other, even tho as corny.
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I genuinely, I genuinely love Latia. But to say that
when I'm dating other people in my connections were just
as strong to say that I was promising somebody the
whole time. That makes me look like a really you know,
if that's true, then I'm a piece.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
I'm a really bad person.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
And I don't think I went in there with with
those intentions at all.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
I think I went in there trying to find my partner.
I had feelings.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I told her how I felt, but I didn't make
any promises to anybody, and I think that's something that, Yeah,
that's all I really have to say, And if she's listening,
I would just say I'm sorry for how you feel,
and I hope that you're doing okay.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
The whole experience is wild, and obviously the end, the
last few weeks get more difficult. Then really you can
prepare yourself for or imagine what what were some of
the factors that came down to that final decision for you?
You know, I think the audience and this is one
of the difficulties with the Bachelor in general as they
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follow along for this season. It all leads up to
the very end, and then we don't get a lot
of like post storytelling. Right, your breakup happened pretty quickly, right,
So what were some of the factors that made you
so confident that Latia wasn't the one you wanted to
choose at the end, and you ended up going and
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asking Juliana.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Well, honestly, you know my confidence, I just see I
really struggled with there at the end in my decision.
But I ultimately went with who I felt I could
relate to more in terms of and I'm still learning
as a human.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
You know, I've been in two serious relationships.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I went with who I felt most comfortable with in
my story and you know, the family dynamic and you know,
me being on the East Coast and Giuliana being from
the East Coast, and how comfortable I felt with her
family and how much I related to her story. And
I went with somebody I feel like, you know, if
we laid down and talked about our struggles of our life,
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I felt like I would. I went with somebody that
was able to understand anymore. That's at least that's how
it felt on the show. After the show, obviously things
were not. You know, it's partly me, partly her things
were not. We're not the most compatible, and that's okay,
but that led to my stays and then also too,
I didn't really know, you know, by the time I
had already told Latilla that I that I there was
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an instance where we were sitting on the couch and
you know, we were talking and we were talking and
you know, we had already expressed certain feelings to each
other and how how we felt, and you know, I
wasn't aware of the situation of I don't know, I
don't know a lot about the Mormon religion. So that
was another wrench that kind of threw me off a
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little bit. And you know, if I was told that
from day one or night one, I would know everything.
I was told that, you know, right before hometown. So
and I had already been a deep so it wasn't
for me to be like, oh, well this person, you know,
they told me this, and now no, I still want
my feelings. I still went head on and ultimately I
just decided what was the most was the best decision
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for me, and that's all I can do.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So would you say, I mean, I think you said
it on a show previously that Letia telling you about
her Mormon religion play a factor in your decision.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Would you say that's true?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, it was true.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It definitely.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
It definitely caused me hesitancy when you're when you're getting
engaged and you want to get to know a person,
that is something that really could you know, is that
is that a lifestyle that I want to you know,
raise my kids?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
There's that a lifestyle that I want to you know,
be involved in.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
And it did play a factor, but it wasn't my
ultimate ultimate deciding factor because when she told me that,
I still I already had feelings and I still wanted
to make things work. Ultimately, I decided a couple other
factors that happened later on the show that and as
my relationship with Juliana progressed, I decided that was, you know,
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my person now. Like I said, I was already in
pretty deep at that moment, So it wasn't a situation
where I knew who my final pick was going into.
You know, I was still very much conflicted. So I
guess that made me seem on shore. But it's like
not every day that you get to date twenty six
people and you have to get engaged in and in
the shorter season that I had, so it was just a.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Little a little you know, it's just a little difficult,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's very difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I would say, uh, and I think you're You're fair
to say that, Yes, dating in this environment and trying
to figure out how to do it well is not
only untraditional, it's uncommon and there's not a lot of
people that can relate to it. You know, going into this,
there's a ton of rumors kind of coming out of
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your season about how you ended up making that final decision.
One of them that got a lot of headaway was
a coin flip. It came from an internal source on
the show that said you made a coin flip to
make your final decision, but we didn't see the coin flip.
Did the coin flip actually exist?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
I've never heard a coin flip, you know, there was.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
No I wasn't going to decide on who I was
going to engage based on a coin flip.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
I sat down, took my time, and I made ultimate decision.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Actually, the deciding factor that helped me was if you guys, see,
my dad came back and we had to talk prior
to him leap prior to him leaving Dominican Public. So
that was one of the deciding factors that ultimately I
went based off of what I told him, what he
told me, and then obviously I struggled at the end,
but ultimately that was my my my push over the edge.
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What I remember what he told me?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Did you feel well prepared to be the Bachelor? You know,
obviously this is a small group of people. It's a
fraternity of a few that have been through it before
going into the season. Did you did you know what
to expect? Did you do your due diligence to make
sure that you're ready for the roller coaster ride that
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is this show?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
No, I didn't do any to do.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I'm a person that's very prepared in my work and
things that I do. But when it comes to reality TV,
I didn't know there was really any preparation. I just
went in and I was like, I gonna be myself.
I'm going to give him my all and approach approach
the situation. I though, I approach life and that's what
I did. And reality TV is a it's a little
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bit weird, you know, because everybody has their opinions, just
like in life. And I did the best that I
could and that's just that's what it was. But to
say prepared, I didn't know there was any way that
you could prepare to be a Bachelor. I did study.
I watched Joey's season, but you know, me and Joey
are two different people, so that's like he was the
season before mine.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
So no, I didn't. I just went in there and
I was gonna be myself.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, it's you know, there's this world in which it
happens more and more where people kind of call each other.
I remember back in my time it was Sean Loh
and Chris Souls and Mesnik Jason Mesnick. I called and
I was just like, Hey, you guys are now out
of this deal. You've been through this thing. What can
I expect out of this? Like what are some of
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the things that maybe I wouldn't foresee coming that I
can expect? And that helped me a lot because it
helps you know that other other people have been there,
and they gave me a lot of insight into this
roller coaster ride. But you know, I think I got
lucky because they also brought those guys on the show
when I was there, and so they were able to,
you know, pour into me a little bit. Letia obviously
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was a huge conversation piece when it comes to this season.
She really kind of came off of this show as
one of those. I think the word people are using
kind of og kind of contestants where people she'll be memorable,
she'll do great things with it. But she wasn't your
final choice. Juliana was. You know, when it comes to
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Juliana relationship, it was exciting I think for the audience
to see the two of you together. I remember there
being a lot of support for the two of you together,
but it did end quickly. Who ended the relationship so
we had you know.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
There was a lot of things that were going on.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I think Juliana is somebody who was really rooted in
her family and like I was willing to move to Boston.
You know, we didn't spend a lot of quality to
it was just it was a situation where I think,
coming off the show, a lot of the outside noise
that happened, all the all the criticism we were getting,
all the feedback we were getting left and right, I
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think it kind of bled into our relationship and we
you know, when things happened like that, we didn't really
rely on each other as much to get through it.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
You know, she she had her family, I had.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
You know, I was kind of relying on it, you know,
to myself and I think that that that bled into
our relationship. I don't think it was a lack of
anybody being ready. I think Julian's very ready for a relationship.
I think everybody that entered that show went in there
with the right intentions. Now there's so many outside factors
and we just we just couldn't we couldn't get through it.
I remember on our trip before a rub but we
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talked and we sat down, were like, listen, like, things
are not working.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
They're not working.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I was at her, I was at her apartment, and
we just sat down and they just we could tell
we weren't on the same page.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
But we went to Aruba and her obviously.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Her family came with her, and I was hoping that
we would get a little more alone time, but we
weren't able to. And even there, I was like, you know,
I'm willing to try to make things work. But I
praised her because you know, her intuition. She saw that
things weren't going the way she wanted and she wanted
to she wanted to move forward. So ultimately we decided,
but it was her final decision because I was still
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willing to try.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
To make things work.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, if it comes up like that.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I think that one of the moments that fans and
I'm sure you've heard it and felt it, you went
kind of your response was you came on Instagram and
you said you were not heartbroken by this breakup? Is
the is the exact quote I have here. I think
it came off a little cold to the audience, especially
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as I said this, the post storytelling is not something
that we get from the show, and so the only
thing we know about your relationship is you're together and
then you break up and you're not heartbroken.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Do you can you elaborate on that statement a little bit?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It did come off cold or that something happened more
than just two of you disagreeing to not you know,
or agreeing to not make things work.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Yeah. I think that's kind of.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Like the defense mechanism that I have sometimes, you know,
the way that I grew up and you know kind
of where I'm from. I don't think a lot of
people can relate to that and bachlorination audience where it's
like if something that's something that hurts you, you kind
of just shrug it off and you move forward. And
that's something that I kind of do, which I'm working
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on that to express how I feel in the moment,
and like when it comes to things that hurt me,
when it comes to things that make me feel good
or happiness or love, I expressed that I wear my
heart on my sleep, but when it comes to things
that cause me pain or hurt, I kind of shrug
it off and act like it doesn't bother me as
much as it does.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
So that's the And then when.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
You're the lead, it's like everything you're said, obviously people
took that the wrong way, but it really wasn't. Obviously
I was hurt, you know, I was engaged. We had
broken up. I was trying to make it work and
it's a very public breakup. So me saying that it
doesn't bother me obviously probably wasn't the right move.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
But it's something I'm working on.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
But yeah, this is like a defense mechanism for me,
kind of just saying, ah, like I'm not heart broken.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
It isn't it, But really you're hurt, you know what
I'm saying. That's just that's what it was for me.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Well, the cool part about this world is you sometimes
do get do overs because news cycles move quickly, and
then you get to come back on shows like this
that have you know, a large portion of the fan
base that listens. If you were to have a do
over and jump on social media again right after the breakup,
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what would you have said.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I don't know if I would have said anything.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I don't know if every I think regardless people, the
one thing this experience has taught me is, you know,
you can't go wrong with being yourself because people are
going to love you or hate you based off of
biases they have against you. So with me, I don't think.
Maybe I wouldn't have, you know, crashed out. I was
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going through a lot, you know, a very public breakup
and I kind of spiral a little bit. Plus I
was getting so much BackFlash on my season, kind of
a lot of hate and just for me being myself,
and I was like okay, And even on the season,
I think I wasn't I could have been even more.
I went in there very reserved, and I think that
came across on screen because I'm gonna be real, like.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
I'm a kid, like I'm a grown man.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Obviously, I live I lived in you know NOWRK New Jersey,
which is one of the worst neighborhoods in New Jersey.
My father was you know, my father was addicted to drugs.
And I feel like I went in there very reserved
because I was afraid that people would judge me, and
I went in there just very reserved, and I think
that came across on camera instead of me just letting
loose and be myself. But at the same time, when
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you're a lead of color, you can't I know, it's
not really talked about as much, but you could be yourself,
but you're gonna get backlash either way. So I guess
what I'm trying to say without making too much sense,
is like I could have been more myself, but I'm
happy that I was a gentleman during the show, regardless
of what people said. I tried to handle situations like
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a gentleman and I did. I did the best. I
did the best that I could, so I don't have
any regrets. But looking back at the show, maybe I
wouldn't have crashed out so hard pull show.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, And I think that's one thing we just didn't
see you crashing out. I don't know, if you know,
I don't know how you can't really uh share sometimes,
you know, if you're crashing out. You don't want to
share that stuff. It's personal and it's kind of how
you need to, you know, navigate it. But I do
think because of your lack of vulnerability in that moment
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and kind of saying things like I'm not heartbroken, people
are thought, oh, he's he's doing okay, and it's just cold,
instead of showing you know what you're really feeling, who
you truly are. And as you said, you got backlash
from this, and I think every league gets backlash. It's
nobody's immune to it. Nobody has been immune to it.
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Some get more than others and some get it. You know,
sometimes a backlash is more loud than others. How did
you process through the criticisms and the backlash? And I
remember you commented and it's kind of even hard to
bring up because I know this does feel like a
loud criticism, but you commented on it where people were
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blaming you for the ending of the show. And we
don't know if the show is going to come back
or not. We don't know if the show will have
another Bachelor season. I expect it too, But those are
big things placed on your shoulders in that moment.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Those are heavy words. So how did you deal with it?
How are you dealing with it?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Listen, I've been through a lot worse things in my life. Honestly,
if you want me to be real, and this is
what I told myself, like I'm going.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
To I want you to be real because that's the
only way things come across good.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Like, I don't, I really don't really don't give what
people say about me at this point in my life.
I know that's very, very shrewd. But you know, if
people want to blame me for the ending of the
show where they say this.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Is I know myself.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I know the way I was raised, I know what
I've been through, and I know my morals and value.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
So people don't understand that, or they don't understand.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Me, or they you know, however things went down, it's
just like yo, okay, like I'm glad to take your opinion,
and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
I'm going to move forward my life.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You move forward your life, So I'm not gonna I'm
not going to try to, you know, appease people or
make them see my my viewpoint and excuse me. I
just I really don't. I don't care. I'm not gonna.
I'm not gonna let my mind be consumed by that.
Just move forward and move on.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
You know, how has your relationship with social media been
transformed then as of recently? I mean, we've we've seen
you talk about your faith openly, We've taught you see
we've seen you recently talk about your pursuit of celibacy.
Right those are I mean, I I just got back
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midnight last night from a pastor's conference and a and
a gathering. The guy that runs it would be mad
if I called it a conference. It's a gathering. As
somebody of faith myself it is. It was more of
a It was a rock to fall back on, a
solid foundation for me through the process of all the
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trysts and turns. People are gonna throw roses at your feet.
People are gonna throw stones at your feet, Grant, you
got to pick me either up. And so this process
afterwards of fame and social media is a wild ride.
And so I would love to get a perspective on
how you are handling it and why you are saying
the things you're saying publicly talking about your faith is awesome.
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Claiming celibacy now for however long that's a big comment
that could definitely come back to bite you at some
point if that, you know, changes, Yeah, And.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Honestly, man, like I said, I really don't. I really
don't like if if people listen, I'm going to live
my life. And the reason why I stated that is
because I was Celement before the show, which you know,
by choice, by choice, you.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Know, I had been in a seven year relationship and
that ended, and I was very hurt, and I decided
I wasn't going to you know, because when you get
physically involved with somebody, it speeds up to things and
you could and you know what I'm saying, you could
definitely make some wrong move. So I just decided that
until I am a celibate, was abstinent. Until I know
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somebody's my person, or I am in a very committed
relationship that's headed towards marriage, I'm not going to be
out there looking for a relationship that way, you know.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
So that's something I still stand by.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And you know, the way that I've the way that
I've came across on social media or however, you know,
I wasn't on social media practice and I'm I'm getting
in new lanes where I could truly be myself and
be authentic, And you know, I I think that's the
beauty of going on a bachelor even though you know
my relationship and work, I've met so many great people.
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It's helped me go into a new avenue in my
life and I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
And if I could use kind of my.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Whatever gifts I have to spread a certain message or
be myself and be a positive impact, that's kind of
like what I what I want to do.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You brought up a point here I'm curious about if
you and I were sitting down at dinner and we
didn't have a couple hundred people a thousand people listening,
I'd ask you the same question. You know, I think
for me, one of the things I'm trying to figure out,
because you know, I want to usually connect with the
bachelors of the past. It's a wild ride, it's hard,
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it's confusing. I think for me, one of the things
that you that makes you unique compared to other bachelors
is you promoted yourself, marketed yourself, branded yourself as this
very successful day trader. And I've worked in finance for
five years of my life. I was like, I've never
known anybody that day trades for a career. I know
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people to manage wealth. I don't know anybody that day
trades for a career that's the hobby. But you did
do this, and it seemed, you know, you had the
videos in the cars and the big houses, and you know,
it was really kind of part of your brand. I think,
if you knew it or not, that you were a
successful day trader, right and now that is such a
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small piece of what we're seeing from you. And so,
you know, you just said you're opening up new lanes
and everything. But I was like, man, this guy loves
loves finance, he loves investing, he loves the research. He
you know, you started a school for a period of
time to teach people how to do that, and that's
no longer there. So it feels like I'm having a
hard time tracking who you are and actually what you
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are doing, like enjoy doing because you just said you're
opening up new lanes. But I was like, what about
the lanes that existed before?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
No, so the school is definitely still there, just we
when you're trading in the markets and you're managing equity
to have you know, fifteen thirty people thirty fifty people
kind of watching you. It was cool, but then they
kind of it got to a point wheople were a
little bit reliant on me for.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
You know, signals or their or their financial situation. And
that's something that I can't I can't condone.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Just to clarify there, you can't legally give investment advice,
is what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah, I can't leave.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So that's why when I trade in front of people,
I will pay per trade, but people on their own
merit will either go into their accounts or do this
or do that. And for me, when people are calling
my phone like oh, like oh, we want to see
people don't. A lot of people that join those groups
they don't know the work that it takes to be able.
And I've been traded this my six year trading and
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my first three four years you know, I was just
ten years losing. So and when people go into these groups,
they expect instant results when that's not you know, I'm
an educator.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I will give you, I will give you the I'll
give you the rod, but you have to fish for yourself,
you know what I'm saying. So I still teach. I
do it on an individual basis now and that's but
that's my life.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
That's what I've been doing for the last six years,
is what I put continuous hours of work into. But
also there's also other things I like do. I like music,
I like to create. I'm a creative and I think
that big part of what I really what I really
did not like about what really turned me off to
some of the things in Bachelor Nation was there's this
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connotation that you have to just be in love. You
can't do this, you can't do that, and if you
do anything else, you're doing it for the wrong reason.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
And for me, I've always went against the green.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I don't really care what people think about me because
I know myself and I know the type of.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Person I am.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
So when I go in there and I put out
a song or I put on this or that, regardless
of whatever it's like, if you don't, I'm not going
to pander just how somebody wants me to act. You
know what I'm saying, just because I'm I guessaid, I'm
a day trader. Like I've always went against the green,
so you know what I'm saying. In the corporate in
the corporate world, you kind of have to be that way,
but I've never been corporate, so I think that was
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another reason why people don't really understand me. And it's
okay being misunderstood sometimes because I know I know myself,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, definitely, I mean I do know what you're saying,
because I think I've been in that world. But I
think the narrative was this was your job, you loved it.
You know, you're driving the fancy cars, you got the
big house, you're crushing it some you know. I think
the part of the intrigue was you were the bachelor,
some you were going to end up with somebody from
the show, and they were going to enter into this
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really like stable I think would be the word. I'd use,
life of financial freedom and comfort and all those things.
And then you know that has been a piece that's
been missing. But I think the part that confused me
was you don't have your series seven, so you cannot
be trading.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Well let me, let's let me just so a series
seven is for financial advice.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
I don't give financial advice.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's all I'm saying. You couldn't give that to people,
So yeah, that confusing, No, but that's.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I never In the beginning of my of my course
of my class, I had a disclaimer like, this is
not financial advice. What you do in a situation like
that where you covered legally, is you pay per trade.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Is you trade on a paper account.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You might have your own live funds on the side,
but you pay trade on paper account and you teach
while people are also following what you're doing. So there's
no Series seven needed for that because you're covered by
You're covered by your paper trading. Now, if I were
to be trading actual live funds or giving stock advice,
like I remember, I was on Good Morning in America
and I gave a stop clearpoint neuro which was trading
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at like thirteen dollars is now it's almost like sixty
dollars now. But I had to take it back because
I'm not I don't have my Series seven, so you
know what I'm saying. That's when I just was like, oh, well,
just invest in SMP, you know what I'm saying, because
that's pretty pretty nuanced advice. It's pretty it's something that
everybody does. So with that, yeah, with in terms of
the day training thing and in terms of how they
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portrayed me, on the show. I never want I never
want marketed to myself like that, you know what I'm saying.
I just that was how they chose to market me.
I didn't tell them to do that, obviously. You know,
I love what I love what I do for work,
and you know I'm always willing to grow and learn
and experiences. So yeah, with the whole, with the whole,
in terms of how they marketed me, are with with
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my series seven, I just I choose not not to
get that because I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
That's not my job to give people advice in what stocks.
My job is to get on.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Here every day show people how to maneuver through the
market and and how to be steady in that in
that space, and that's what that's what I still do.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not my claim was not that
you necessary. I mean, I think there was moments like
on social media that maybe pointed to that, but I
think the show really kind of marketed that, and I
think it is why the aftermath of the show has
been confusing, because it feels like that huge storyline, uh
that hasn't disappeared. I know it's still a thing that
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you do, but it's not a piece of what we're
seeing from you anymore, Uh is the you know, is
the finance guy.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
I don't really want that to be like with with
with with data.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Like I just finished up teaching before a class before
this podcast. I had a class, and what I do
I like to do, and I don't want that to be.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
My my persona like that.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I never, I never, you know, it's something that I
love doing, but I would I used my day trading
and the promise that I would drawer in the market
to fuel other projects, to fuel other things that I
like to do. You know, day trading is just a
means two for me to be supportive financially, and you know,
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it gives me the time and freedom to do things
that I like, whether that's making music or doing a
play or doing some things like that.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
So yeah, I don't want to really be known as
a finance bro.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I think that's like, you know, I do do that,
but there's so many other aspects to me that you
know obviously on the show, you know, they show we
did a concert with Mario and certain things like that,
and I'm playing the piano, so there were other sides
of me just wasn't traditional. So I guess it wasn't
as well received as like finance or something like day Trading.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, I mean I can see that path, so let's
get into that stuff then. I mean, obviously we knew
you from day Trading, as we said, from being the Bachelor,
but you are excited about other things happening in your life.
We start out this whole show talking about the reality games.
You also are in the process. I think via your
social media you've kind of started to be You're inspired
(34:54):
by Hitch and you're trying to start this like dating
show called Spin the Block. Right, you also are enjoying music.
I think during your season I see here in my
notes you came out with a couple songs. So what
I mean if day Trading is, if we're making sense
of all this, day Trading is your stable day to day,
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what opportunities do you want to pursue next? Like with
the dreams that you had as a kid, grant with
the opportunities that you've now been given.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Where do you want to see all this go?
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I think for me, I'm just in a position or
a point where I want to be a positive, positive influence, right,
And obviously things that not work out that way on
The Bachelor. And but like I said, I have a
very specific skill set which allows me to.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Allocate funds a certain projects.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
So the next thing that I'm willing to do is
that I want to do, is I have the We
have the reality Games coming up, which is going to
be some of some pretty big influences. There is going
to be a really good, so really good opportunity, opportunity
for exposure. And you know, I'm working on my pilot
episode to pitch to a couple all companies on this
idea of spin the Block.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
And it's not me giving dating advice like people jump
to conclusions.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
It's just me teaching men how to how to court
a woman or how to talk to a woman. But
do it intentionally, right, because a lot of men struggle
in the area. And you know, I was the Bachelor
for a reason, so I think that that's a good way.
It's not me giving relationship advice because clearly I'm not
in a relationship. It is me taking a man who's
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considered average and leveling out, teaching him how to dress,
how to talk, how to have that swag, and to
get the woman that he wants, and then what he
does from there.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
That's that's that's up to him.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
So it is very hitch like.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
It's very hitch like. It's very hitchlike.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
And I'm utilizing you know, the Reality Games exposure and
some of the connections I have through that with some
pretty big agencies to try to to really get this
thing off the ground, and my plan is for it
to be out in the new year.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
The Reality Games is a huge then if I'm understanding
this correctly, it's a huge moment for you. You're really you're
really like sold out on her the hope of the
success of this thing, of the people that you're going
to meet through it. So if you were here today saying, hey,
and if I ask you the question what's the most
important project in your life right now?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Reality games?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Things like that.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
The reality So the Reality Games isn't like like if
it does well or now, I'm still going to progress forward.
But the obviously like that I said, the most important thing.
My number one thing that I do behind the scenes
is trading. Like if you look here, I was actually
I'm like, while we're doing is I still I'm looking
at the market as well, or like that's that's number one.
That is like my life's work. But I don't want
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to be known as just the finance guy. I think
my creative side. I like being a creative So yeah,
I think that this hitch project or Spend the Block
is a way for me. It's probably my most important
project because it's a way for people to see me outside.
If anybody even pays attention, hopefully I get a new
audience base. But it's a way for people to see
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me outside of the Bachelor. When you're the Bachelor, they
definitely you know, they dress you up, they planning to
help you plan your dates, and you know some of
the things like I didn't resonate.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
With that as well as I as I should have.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
So spin a Block is a way for people to
see me and my view of dating and how I
would approach it if it was like.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Me, you know what I'm saying, Well, it's it leads
me right into like one of my final questions for
you here, if you're going to be assisting others in
leveling up in the dating world, are you currently dating,
have you dated since Juliana?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Are you on the market?
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Listen with me, and I'm going to be very transparent here,
Like I am very cautious with what I do in
the dating space. I've never had an issue with with
with that department. You know, it's very easy in the
world to get women or but that's not what I'm
looking for. I want something very stable. I want something
very I want something that I'm committed. I don't much
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is anybody, So for me, I take my time. That's
why I'm absent right now. I know the importance of
that and taking your time. But like I said, there's
other younger men out there that may not be able
to even get a date or really don't you know,
they maybe they don't have the means or the finances
to be able to date, or they don't have the
right clothes, or they don't how to talk, or they
(39:21):
don't or they lack of confidence. And regardless of what
anybody thinks, you know, I think spending the day with
somebody who was who was the previous batcheler and showing
them a lifestyle or showing them kind of how to
course somebody and kind of keep still have that swag
but be traditional. I think that's there's a blend of both.
So yeah, that's kind of like in a nutshell, what
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I'm working on in my next project, and I plan
on utilizing my trading to fund to fund this project.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
But are you dating?
Speaker 5 (39:48):
No, I'm pretty much not dating right now. I'm not
seeing anybody right now. I'm hanging out, hanging out. I'm
hanging out. I'm working right now, Grant.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
For any out there listening as we kind of close
this up, taking in, you know, trying to go walk
through this show, clearing out some misconceptions, confronting some things
said obviously from Letia and then also others, and working
into where your life sits now. For listeners out there
(40:22):
that are like, hey, I want to kind of get
closure to all of this or to understand where Grant
is going, what would you say to the listeners, to
the fans of the show who have walked through this,
you know, hour long episode with us.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah, I would just first of all, I would say
thank you guys, I appreciate those the support, and yeah,
I think just finishing it off. You know, I said,
I did my best and my tenure as a bachelor,
try to be a good example, and I think for
those of you that support me, thank you. And for
those of you that don't really like me or misunderstood
I understand, and you know it's it's okay. You're not
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going to be received well by everybody, but I appreciate
you for tuning into the journey.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Grant Ellis, thanks for jumping on the Almost Famous podcast again.
The Reality Games is going to happen on Twitch December thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Real quick, is this?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Is it a Netflix deal or what is just a No, It's.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
It's on Twitch and different streaming platforms, so it's mainly
through Twitch. So there's a company called Meme House which
does really big events out here in LA and they're
they're hosting it. It's at Beamo Stadium on Twitch.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, that's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Okay, and then also look for Grant to possibly launch
Spin the Block in the upcoming year.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Grant Ellis, thanks for jumping on.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
Thank you, Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 3 (00:08):
I'm here today. I'm excited to be here. It's gonna
be a big interview. I'm gonna be having a conversation
that I can promise you will be very interesting. My
guest is someone who made waves and Bachelor Nation and
then continued to keep us on edge and at times
perplexed us after his time on the show. We're gonna
(00:28):
talk about his breakup, his celibacy, and more Bachelor to
Bachelor content. Please welcome Grant Ellis to the Almost Famous Podcast. Grant,
we have a lot to talk about today. I don't
know if you saw. You're obviously in Los Angeles right now.
We're going to talk about some of the stuff you're
up to in LA. But we just had my co host, Ashley,
(00:51):
had an interview with Letia just a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
She told us.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Some of the behind the scenes to your season. It's
only fair that we also get your perspective on some
of the things that we.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Talked about with her.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
But before we get started, Grant, welcome to the Listener's podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And you guys are having me have Yeah, I saw
the podcast with Latia, and I would love to give
you my perspective because obviously it's one side to the
to the equation, but I would love to Yeah, I would.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Love to dive in. Thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Before we kind of get into the meat of this,
there's so many things I want to talk to you about.
I want to talk to you about this this deal
that we've seen you talk promoting called the Reality Games.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Can you tell us what this is?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, it's just one of my really good friends has
a pretty big agency out here and he's hosting The
Reality Games. Is some some influencers, some of the top
influences in the space, from some guys from Love Island,
some people I would be the representation from Bachelor Nation
and it's we're team captain's and we're hosting like a combine.
(01:59):
Is gonna be dodgeball, basketball football for a prize, and
it's all going to be streamed on Twitch. So it's
a good way to to reach a new audience, to
reach the younger audience and just send a positive, positive message.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Now, I also saw it's going to be held in
the professional soccer stadium there.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, how many people will be there live I'm.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Not sure how many people are gonna be there, but
it is. We're gonna We're inviting one hundred kids. It's
the largest toy drive in America, so there's gonna be
a lot of kids there. There's gonna be a lot
of family, a lot of friends, and it's gonna be
streamed live on the internet.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
So it's gonna be it's a it's a pretty cool event.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
When's it taking place?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
December thirteenth is the date.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Okay, so there's a you have a little bit of time.
Who else in Bachelor Nation is going to be a
part of it?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I know my friend Brandon Jones actually drafted him from
I think he was from Michelle season.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
But that's gonna be really it from Bachelor Nation.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
We're kind of like, you know, we got a couple
people in Bachlin Nation, a couple people in Love Island,
a cop from a different other reality shows.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So okay, cool.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So if somebody wants to watch this, twitch would be
the best place, best platform to tune in December thirteenth.
You said it will be live watching some of your
favorite people from Love Island. Dat donations some of the
other shows compete for the reality Olympics.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Is that a fair way to say it.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yeah, Yeah, it's the first it's the first one.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
So we're hoping to get it off with a good
start and also helping me promoting get my message out
there on my Twitch. So yeah, December thirteenth, it'll be
live and it'll be it'll be a good show.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
All right, let's dive into some of the things that
we want to hear from you about Grant. As I mentioned,
we had a Latie on the podcast. The episode has
been listened by many at this point. One of the
things she said that I think stood out to the
listeners was that she said that you told her and
(03:58):
assured her that she was the one, which is why
the breakup felt so shocking to her. It's why it
felt watching it back that she was so surprised. But
you recently said on a podcast that you didn't say that.
You said you were trying to talk through the process
with multiple women, that you never assured Latia that she
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was the one.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So who is telling the truth?
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, listen.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Since the airing of the show, I think, obviously I
understand Latia's perspective. I understand that she was her, but
she said a lot of things that I didn't say.
I mean, she also said that I told people that
I slept with Juliana. She went on a podcast, so
she said a lot of things that I didn't say.
And you know, they're all behind camera, and that's fine.
(04:44):
Everybody's allowed to have their opinion, our perspective. But I
don't think with me being a lead and me being
miked up, and you know, when you sign a contract
be the lead, they could very easy dependent on what
can get more views or what's good, they could very editing,
can very easily make you the very of your own season,
or or it could be a great love story. So
(05:04):
when I was doing the show, I was very careful
about what I said. And obviously words are misconstrue, but
I don't think it would be very smart of me
to sit there and be miked up and be telling
somebody that they're my person when I'm dating, you know,
twenty six twenty five with the woman. Now, what I
did tell her, I did tell her I loved her
one hundred percent because I did, and I was in
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my heart was in a tough place, you know, I
put my all into it, and yeah, that's that you know,
I don't really have much to speak on it, and
she's allowed to feel how she feels.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
But I will say that's not true.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And there's the reason why everything is up for interpretation
is off camera. I never told her I said things
like I'm falling for you. I did fell I fell
in love with her, but ultimately, you know, I realized
that she wasn't my.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Person, and there was a lot of external factors. You know.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I don't think that she was the most honest with
me either, you know. So that's that, and it's okay,
you know what I'm saying. That's in the past, and
it's okay. I mean, I don't really appreciate some of
the things, but I understand her hurt, and I understand
where she's coming from, and she's a great human and
I'm sure she doesn't mean any any mal intent.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
So that's all I have to say on that.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Is there anything if?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean, she was obviously just on the show, she
listens to the podcast. I'm assuming she's going to listen
to this. What would you want to say to her?
I mean, obviously I can relate with you with the
difficulty of processing the last few weeks of the experience
trying to navigate and say the appropriate things and the
right things. I've never shied away from the things I said.
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I'm not like proud of them. I don't think it
was helpful, but I you know, it happened, good, bad
and different. So if she's listening to this and you
get a chance to speak to her through a show,
what would you want to tell her?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I would just first of all, I would just apologize, Like,
I know how hard of a situation it is to
be to be broken up with, and I like I've
been through that.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I didn't mean for things to go that way.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
It was a difficult choice, but I had to. I
had to go with my heart, and I tried to
be the whole season. I tried to be as upstanding
and as I could now, whether however people want to
view me or ever words got misstrewed. You know, I
don't think you know. Me and Latia had a very
strong connection, you know what I'm saying. We we even
like we had nicknames for each other, even tho as corny.
(07:33):
I genuinely, I genuinely love Latia. But to say that
when I'm dating other people in my connections were just
as strong to say that I was promising somebody the
whole time. That makes me look like a really you know,
if that's true, then I'm a piece.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
I'm a really bad person.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
And I don't think I went in there with with
those intentions at all.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
I think I went in there trying to find my partner.
I had feelings.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I told her how I felt, but I didn't make
any promises to anybody, and I think that's something that, Yeah,
that's all I really have to say, And if she's listening,
I would just say I'm sorry for how you feel,
and I hope that you're doing okay.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
The whole experience is wild, and obviously the end, the
last few weeks get more difficult. Then really you can
prepare yourself for or imagine what what were some of
the factors that came down to that final decision for you?
You know, I think the audience and this is one
of the difficulties with the Bachelor in general as they
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follow along for this season. It all leads up to
the very end, and then we don't get a lot
of like post storytelling. Right, your breakup happened pretty quickly, right,
So what were some of the factors that made you
so confident that Latia wasn't the one you wanted to
choose at the end, and you ended up going and
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asking Juliana.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Well, honestly, you know my confidence, I just see I
really struggled with there at the end in my decision.
But I ultimately went with who I felt I could
relate to more in terms of and I'm still learning
as a human.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
You know, I've been in two serious relationships.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I went with who I felt most comfortable with in
my story and you know, the family dynamic and you know,
me being on the East Coast and Giuliana being from
the East Coast, and how comfortable I felt with her
family and how much I related to her story. And
I went with somebody I feel like, you know, if
we laid down and talked about our struggles of our life,
(09:32):
I felt like I would. I went with somebody that
was able to understand anymore. That's at least that's how
it felt on the show. After the show, obviously things
were not. You know, it's partly me, partly her things
were not. We're not the most compatible, and that's okay,
but that led to my stays and then also too,
I didn't really know, you know, by the time I
had already told Latilla that I that I there was
(09:56):
an instance where we were sitting on the couch and
you know, we were talking and we were talking and
you know, we had already expressed certain feelings to each
other and how how we felt, and you know, I
wasn't aware of the situation of I don't know, I
don't know a lot about the Mormon religion. So that
was another wrench that kind of threw me off a
(10:17):
little bit. And you know, if I was told that
from day one or night one, I would know everything.
I was told that, you know, right before hometown. So
and I had already been a deep so it wasn't
for me to be like, oh, well this person, you know,
they told me this, and now no, I still want
my feelings. I still went head on and ultimately I
just decided what was the most was the best decision
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for me, and that's all I can do.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So would you say, I mean, I think you said
it on a show previously that Letia telling you about
her Mormon religion play a factor in your decision.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Would you say that's true?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, it was true.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It definitely.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
It definitely caused me hesitancy when you're when you're getting
engaged and you want to get to know a person,
that is something that really could you know, is that
is that a lifestyle that I want to you know,
raise my kids?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
There's that a lifestyle that I want to you know,
be involved in.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
And it did play a factor, but it wasn't my
ultimate ultimate deciding factor because when she told me that,
I still I already had feelings and I still wanted
to make things work. Ultimately, I decided a couple other
factors that happened later on the show that and as
my relationship with Juliana progressed, I decided that was, you know,
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my person now. Like I said, I was already in
pretty deep at that moment, So it wasn't a situation
where I knew who my final pick was going into.
You know, I was still very much conflicted. So I
guess that made me seem on shore. But it's like
not every day that you get to date twenty six
people and you have to get engaged in and in
the shorter season that I had, so it was just a.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Little a little you know, it's just a little difficult,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's very difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I would say, uh, and I think you're You're fair
to say that, Yes, dating in this environment and trying
to figure out how to do it well is not
only untraditional, it's uncommon and there's not a lot of
people that can relate to it. You know, going into this,
there's a ton of rumors kind of coming out of
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your season about how you ended up making that final decision.
One of them that got a lot of headaway was
a coin flip. It came from an internal source on
the show that said you made a coin flip to
make your final decision, but we didn't see the coin flip.
Did the coin flip actually exist?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
I've never heard a coin flip, you know, there was.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
No I wasn't going to decide on who I was
going to engage based on a coin flip.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
I sat down, took my time, and I made ultimate decision.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Actually, the deciding factor that helped me was if you guys, see,
my dad came back and we had to talk prior
to him leap prior to him leaving Dominican Public. So
that was one of the deciding factors that ultimately I
went based off of what I told him, what he
told me, and then obviously I struggled at the end,
but ultimately that was my my my push over the edge.
(13:09):
What I remember what he told me?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Did you feel well prepared to be the Bachelor? You know,
obviously this is a small group of people. It's a
fraternity of a few that have been through it before
going into the season. Did you did you know what
to expect? Did you do your due diligence to make
sure that you're ready for the roller coaster ride that
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is this show?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
No, I didn't do any to do.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I'm a person that's very prepared in my work and
things that I do. But when it comes to reality TV,
I didn't know there was really any preparation. I just
went in and I was like, I gonna be myself.
I'm going to give him my all and approach approach
the situation. I though, I approach life and that's what
I did. And reality TV is a it's a little
(14:08):
bit weird, you know, because everybody has their opinions, just
like in life. And I did the best that I
could and that's just that's what it was. But to
say prepared, I didn't know there was any way that
you could prepare to be a Bachelor. I did study.
I watched Joey's season, but you know, me and Joey
are two different people, so that's like he was the
season before mine.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
So no, I didn't. I just went in there and
I was gonna be myself.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, it's you know, there's this world in which it
happens more and more where people kind of call each other.
I remember back in my time it was Sean Loh
and Chris Souls and Mesnik Jason Mesnick. I called and
I was just like, Hey, you guys are now out
of this deal. You've been through this thing. What can
I expect out of this? Like what are some of
(14:53):
the things that maybe I wouldn't foresee coming that I
can expect? And that helped me a lot because it
helps you know that other other people have been there,
and they gave me a lot of insight into this
roller coaster ride. But you know, I think I got
lucky because they also brought those guys on the show
when I was there, and so they were able to,
you know, pour into me a little bit. Letia obviously
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was a huge conversation piece when it comes to this season.
She really kind of came off of this show as
one of those. I think the word people are using
kind of og kind of contestants where people she'll be memorable,
she'll do great things with it. But she wasn't your
final choice. Juliana was. You know, when it comes to
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Juliana relationship, it was exciting I think for the audience
to see the two of you together. I remember there
being a lot of support for the two of you together,
but it did end quickly. Who ended the relationship so
we had you know.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
There was a lot of things that were going on.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I think Juliana is somebody who was really rooted in
her family and like I was willing to move to Boston.
You know, we didn't spend a lot of quality to
it was just it was a situation where I think,
coming off the show, a lot of the outside noise
that happened, all the all the criticism we were getting,
all the feedback we were getting left and right, I
(16:14):
think it kind of bled into our relationship and we
you know, when things happened like that, we didn't really
rely on each other as much to get through it.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
You know, she she had her family, I had.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
You know, I was kind of relying on it, you know,
to myself and I think that that that bled into
our relationship. I don't think it was a lack of
anybody being ready. I think Julian's very ready for a relationship.
I think everybody that entered that show went in there
with the right intentions. Now there's so many outside factors
and we just we just couldn't we couldn't get through it.
I remember on our trip before a rub but we
(16:45):
talked and we sat down, were like, listen, like, things
are not working.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
They're not working.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I was at her, I was at her apartment, and
we just sat down and they just we could tell
we weren't on the same page.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
But we went to Aruba and her obviously.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Her family came with her, and I was hoping that
we would get a little more alone time, but we
weren't able to. And even there, I was like, you know,
I'm willing to try to make things work. But I
praised her because you know, her intuition. She saw that
things weren't going the way she wanted and she wanted
to she wanted to move forward. So ultimately we decided,
but it was her final decision because I was still
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willing to try.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
To make things work.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, if it comes up like that.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I think that one of the moments that fans and
I'm sure you've heard it and felt it, you went
kind of your response was you came on Instagram and
you said you were not heartbroken by this breakup? Is
the is the exact quote I have here. I think
it came off a little cold to the audience, especially
(17:43):
as I said this, the post storytelling is not something
that we get from the show, and so the only
thing we know about your relationship is you're together and
then you break up and you're not heartbroken.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Do you can you elaborate on that statement a little bit?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It did come off cold or that something happened more
than just two of you disagreeing to not you know,
or agreeing to not make things work.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Yeah. I think that's kind of.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Like the defense mechanism that I have sometimes, you know,
the way that I grew up and you know kind
of where I'm from. I don't think a lot of
people can relate to that and bachlorination audience where it's
like if something that's something that hurts you, you kind
of just shrug it off and you move forward. And
that's something that I kind of do, which I'm working
(18:26):
on that to express how I feel in the moment,
and like when it comes to things that hurt me,
when it comes to things that make me feel good
or happiness or love, I expressed that I wear my
heart on my sleep, but when it comes to things
that cause me pain or hurt, I kind of shrug
it off and act like it doesn't bother me as
much as it does.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
So that's the And then when.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
You're the lead, it's like everything you're said, obviously people
took that the wrong way, but it really wasn't. Obviously
I was hurt, you know, I was engaged. We had
broken up. I was trying to make it work and
it's a very public breakup. So me saying that it
doesn't bother me obviously probably wasn't the right move.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
But it's something I'm working on.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
But yeah, this is like a defense mechanism for me,
kind of just saying, ah, like I'm not heart broken.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
It isn't it, But really you're hurt, you know what
I'm saying. That's just that's what it was for me.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Well, the cool part about this world is you sometimes
do get do overs because news cycles move quickly, and
then you get to come back on shows like this
that have you know, a large portion of the fan
base that listens. If you were to have a do
over and jump on social media again right after the breakup,
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what would you have said.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I don't know if I would have said anything.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I don't know if every I think regardless people, the
one thing this experience has taught me is, you know,
you can't go wrong with being yourself because people are
going to love you or hate you based off of
biases they have against you. So with me, I don't think.
Maybe I wouldn't have, you know, crashed out. I was
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going through a lot, you know, a very public breakup
and I kind of spiral a little bit. Plus I
was getting so much BackFlash on my season, kind of
a lot of hate and just for me being myself,
and I was like okay, And even on the season,
I think I wasn't I could have been even more.
I went in there very reserved, and I think that
came across on screen because I'm gonna be real, like.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
I'm a kid, like I'm a grown man.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Obviously, I live I lived in you know NOWRK New Jersey,
which is one of the worst neighborhoods in New Jersey.
My father was you know, my father was addicted to drugs.
And I feel like I went in there very reserved
because I was afraid that people would judge me, and
I went in there just very reserved, and I think
that came across on camera instead of me just letting
loose and be myself. But at the same time, when
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you're a lead of color, you can't I know, it's
not really talked about as much, but you could be yourself,
but you're gonna get backlash either way. So I guess
what I'm trying to say without making too much sense,
is like I could have been more myself, but I'm
happy that I was a gentleman during the show, regardless
of what people said. I tried to handle situations like
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a gentleman and I did. I did the best. I
did the best that I could, so I don't have
any regrets. But looking back at the show, maybe I
wouldn't have crashed out so hard pull show.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, And I think that's one thing we just didn't
see you crashing out. I don't know, if you know,
I don't know how you can't really uh share sometimes,
you know, if you're crashing out. You don't want to
share that stuff. It's personal and it's kind of how
you need to, you know, navigate it. But I do
think because of your lack of vulnerability in that moment
(21:37):
and kind of saying things like I'm not heartbroken, people
are thought, oh, he's he's doing okay, and it's just cold,
instead of showing you know what you're really feeling, who
you truly are. And as you said, you got backlash
from this, and I think every league gets backlash. It's
nobody's immune to it. Nobody has been immune to it.
(21:57):
Some get more than others and some get it. You know,
sometimes a backlash is more loud than others. How did
you process through the criticisms and the backlash? And I
remember you commented and it's kind of even hard to
bring up because I know this does feel like a
loud criticism, but you commented on it where people were
(22:18):
blaming you for the ending of the show. And we
don't know if the show is going to come back
or not. We don't know if the show will have
another Bachelor season. I expect it too, But those are
big things placed on your shoulders in that moment.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Those are heavy words. So how did you deal with it?
How are you dealing with it?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Listen, I've been through a lot worse things in my life. Honestly,
if you want me to be real, and this is
what I told myself, like I'm going.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
To I want you to be real because that's the
only way things come across good.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Like, I don't, I really don't really don't give what
people say about me at this point in my life.
I know that's very, very shrewd. But you know, if
people want to blame me for the ending of the
show where they say this.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Is I know myself.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I know the way I was raised, I know what
I've been through, and I know my morals and value.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
So people don't understand that, or they don't understand.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Me, or they you know, however things went down, it's
just like yo, okay, like I'm glad to take your opinion,
and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
I'm going to move forward my life.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You move forward your life, So I'm not gonna I'm
not going to try to, you know, appease people or
make them see my my viewpoint and excuse me. I
just I really don't. I don't care. I'm not gonna.
I'm not gonna let my mind be consumed by that.
Just move forward and move on.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
You know, how has your relationship with social media been
transformed then as of recently? I mean, we've we've seen
you talk about your faith openly, We've taught you see
we've seen you recently talk about your pursuit of celibacy.
Right those are I mean, I I just got back
(23:55):
midnight last night from a pastor's conference and a and
a gathering. The guy that runs it would be mad
if I called it a conference. It's a gathering. As
somebody of faith myself it is. It was more of
a It was a rock to fall back on, a
solid foundation for me through the process of all the
(24:17):
trysts and turns. People are gonna throw roses at your feet.
People are gonna throw stones at your feet, Grant, you
got to pick me either up. And so this process
afterwards of fame and social media is a wild ride.
And so I would love to get a perspective on
how you are handling it and why you are saying
the things you're saying publicly talking about your faith is awesome.
(24:42):
Claiming celibacy now for however long that's a big comment
that could definitely come back to bite you at some
point if that, you know, changes, Yeah, And.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Honestly, man, like I said, I really don't. I really
don't like if if people listen, I'm going to live
my life. And the reason why I stated that is
because I was Celement before the show, which you know,
by choice, by choice, you.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Know, I had been in a seven year relationship and
that ended, and I was very hurt, and I decided
I wasn't going to you know, because when you get
physically involved with somebody, it speeds up to things and
you could and you know what I'm saying, you could
definitely make some wrong move. So I just decided that
until I am a celibate, was abstinent. Until I know
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somebody's my person, or I am in a very committed
relationship that's headed towards marriage, I'm not going to be
out there looking for a relationship that way, you know.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
So that's something I still stand by.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And you know, the way that I've the way that
I've came across on social media or however, you know,
I wasn't on social media practice and I'm I'm getting
in new lanes where I could truly be myself and
be authentic, And you know, I I think that's the
beauty of going on a bachelor even though you know
my relationship and work, I've met so many great people.
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It's helped me go into a new avenue in my
life and I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
And if I could use kind of my.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Whatever gifts I have to spread a certain message or
be myself and be a positive impact, that's kind of
like what I what I want to do.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You brought up a point here I'm curious about if
you and I were sitting down at dinner and we
didn't have a couple hundred people a thousand people listening,
I'd ask you the same question. You know, I think
for me, one of the things I'm trying to figure out,
because you know, I want to usually connect with the
bachelors of the past. It's a wild ride, it's hard,
(26:55):
it's confusing. I think for me, one of the things
that you that makes you unique compared to other bachelors
is you promoted yourself, marketed yourself, branded yourself as this
very successful day trader. And I've worked in finance for
five years of my life. I was like, I've never
known anybody that day trades for a career. I know
(27:17):
people to manage wealth. I don't know anybody that day
trades for a career that's the hobby. But you did
do this, and it seemed, you know, you had the
videos in the cars and the big houses, and you know,
it was really kind of part of your brand. I think,
if you knew it or not, that you were a
successful day trader, right and now that is such a
(27:37):
small piece of what we're seeing from you. And so,
you know, you just said you're opening up new lanes
and everything. But I was like, man, this guy loves
loves finance, he loves investing, he loves the research. He
you know, you started a school for a period of
time to teach people how to do that, and that's
no longer there. So it feels like I'm having a
hard time tracking who you are and actually what you
(27:58):
are doing, like enjoy doing because you just said you're
opening up new lanes. But I was like, what about
the lanes that existed before?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
No, so the school is definitely still there, just we
when you're trading in the markets and you're managing equity
to have you know, fifteen thirty people thirty fifty people
kind of watching you. It was cool, but then they
kind of it got to a point wheople were a
little bit reliant on me for.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
You know, signals or their or their financial situation. And
that's something that I can't I can't condone.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Just to clarify there, you can't legally give investment advice,
is what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah, I can't leave.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So that's why when I trade in front of people,
I will pay per trade, but people on their own
merit will either go into their accounts or do this
or do that. And for me, when people are calling
my phone like oh, like oh, we want to see
people don't. A lot of people that join those groups
they don't know the work that it takes to be able.
And I've been traded this my six year trading and
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my first three four years you know, I was just
ten years losing. So and when people go into these groups,
they expect instant results when that's not you know, I'm
an educator.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I will give you, I will give you the I'll
give you the rod, but you have to fish for yourself,
you know what I'm saying. So I still teach. I
do it on an individual basis now and that's but
that's my life.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
That's what I've been doing for the last six years,
is what I put continuous hours of work into. But
also there's also other things I like do. I like music,
I like to create. I'm a creative and I think
that big part of what I really what I really
did not like about what really turned me off to
some of the things in Bachelor Nation was there's this
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connotation that you have to just be in love. You
can't do this, you can't do that, and if you
do anything else, you're doing it for the wrong reason.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
And for me, I've always went against the green.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I don't really care what people think about me because
I know myself and I know the type of.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Person I am.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
So when I go in there and I put out
a song or I put on this or that, regardless
of whatever it's like, if you don't, I'm not going
to pander just how somebody wants me to act. You
know what I'm saying, just because I'm I guessaid, I'm
a day trader. Like I've always went against the green,
so you know what I'm saying. In the corporate in
the corporate world, you kind of have to be that way,
but I've never been corporate, so I think that was
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another reason why people don't really understand me. And it's
okay being misunderstood sometimes because I know I know myself,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, definitely, I mean I do know what you're saying,
because I think I've been in that world. But I
think the narrative was this was your job, you loved it.
You know, you're driving the fancy cars, you got the
big house, you're crushing it some you know. I think
the part of the intrigue was you were the bachelor,
some you were going to end up with somebody from
the show, and they were going to enter into this
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really like stable I think would be the word. I'd use,
life of financial freedom and comfort and all those things.
And then you know that has been a piece that's
been missing. But I think the part that confused me
was you don't have your series seven, so you cannot
be trading.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Well let me, let's let me just so a series
seven is for financial advice.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
I don't give financial advice.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's all I'm saying. You couldn't give that to people,
So yeah, that confusing, No, but that's.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I never In the beginning of my of my course
of my class, I had a disclaimer like, this is
not financial advice. What you do in a situation like
that where you covered legally, is you pay per trade.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Is you trade on a paper account.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You might have your own live funds on the side,
but you pay trade on paper account and you teach
while people are also following what you're doing. So there's
no Series seven needed for that because you're covered by
You're covered by your paper trading. Now, if I were
to be trading actual live funds or giving stock advice,
like I remember, I was on Good Morning in America
and I gave a stop clearpoint neuro which was trading
(31:58):
at like thirteen dollars is now it's almost like sixty
dollars now. But I had to take it back because
I'm not I don't have my Series seven, so you
know what I'm saying. That's when I just was like, oh, well,
just invest in SMP, you know what I'm saying, because
that's pretty pretty nuanced advice. It's pretty it's something that
everybody does. So with that, yeah, with in terms of
the day training thing and in terms of how they
(32:19):
portrayed me, on the show. I never want I never
want marketed to myself like that, you know what I'm saying.
I just that was how they chose to market me.
I didn't tell them to do that, obviously. You know,
I love what I love what I do for work,
and you know I'm always willing to grow and learn
and experiences. So yeah, with the whole, with the whole,
in terms of how they marketed me, are with with
(32:40):
my series seven, I just I choose not not to
get that because I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
That's not my job to give people advice in what stocks.
My job is to get on.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Here every day show people how to maneuver through the
market and and how to be steady in that in
that space, and that's what that's what I still do.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not my claim was not that
you necessary. I mean, I think there was moments like
on social media that maybe pointed to that, but I
think the show really kind of marketed that, and I
think it is why the aftermath of the show has
been confusing, because it feels like that huge storyline, uh
that hasn't disappeared. I know it's still a thing that
(33:20):
you do, but it's not a piece of what we're
seeing from you anymore, Uh is the you know, is
the finance guy.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
I don't really want that to be like with with
with with data.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Like I just finished up teaching before a class before
this podcast. I had a class, and what I do
I like to do, and I don't want that to be.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
My my persona like that.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I never, I never, you know, it's something that I
love doing, but I would I used my day trading
and the promise that I would drawer in the market
to fuel other projects, to fuel other things that I
like to do. You know, day trading is just a
means two for me to be supportive financially, and you know,
(34:01):
it gives me the time and freedom to do things
that I like, whether that's making music or doing a
play or doing some things like that.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
So yeah, I don't want to really be known as
a finance bro.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I think that's like, you know, I do do that,
but there's so many other aspects to me that you
know obviously on the show, you know, they show we
did a concert with Mario and certain things like that,
and I'm playing the piano, so there were other sides
of me just wasn't traditional. So I guess it wasn't
as well received as like finance or something like day Trading.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, I mean I can see that path, so let's
get into that stuff then. I mean, obviously we knew
you from day Trading, as we said, from being the Bachelor,
but you are excited about other things happening in your life.
We start out this whole show talking about the reality games.
You also are in the process. I think via your
social media you've kind of started to be You're inspired
(34:54):
by Hitch and you're trying to start this like dating
show called Spin the Block. Right, you also are enjoying music.
I think during your season I see here in my
notes you came out with a couple songs. So what
I mean if day Trading is, if we're making sense
of all this, day Trading is your stable day to day,
(35:15):
what opportunities do you want to pursue next? Like with
the dreams that you had as a kid, grant with
the opportunities that you've now been given.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Where do you want to see all this go?
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I think for me, I'm just in a position or
a point where I want to be a positive, positive influence, right,
And obviously things that not work out that way on
The Bachelor. And but like I said, I have a
very specific skill set which allows me to.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Allocate funds a certain projects.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
So the next thing that I'm willing to do is
that I want to do, is I have the We
have the reality Games coming up, which is going to
be some of some pretty big influences. There is going
to be a really good, so really good opportunity, opportunity
for exposure. And you know, I'm working on my pilot
episode to pitch to a couple all companies on this
idea of spin the Block.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
And it's not me giving dating advice like people jump
to conclusions.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
It's just me teaching men how to how to court
a woman or how to talk to a woman. But
do it intentionally, right, because a lot of men struggle
in the area. And you know, I was the Bachelor
for a reason, so I think that that's a good way.
It's not me giving relationship advice because clearly I'm not
in a relationship. It is me taking a man who's
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considered average and leveling out, teaching him how to dress,
how to talk, how to have that swag, and to
get the woman that he wants, and then what he
does from there.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
That's that's that's up to him.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
So it is very hitch like.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
It's very hitch like. It's very hitchlike.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
And I'm utilizing you know, the Reality Games exposure and
some of the connections I have through that with some
pretty big agencies to try to to really get this
thing off the ground, and my plan is for it
to be out in the new year.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
The Reality Games is a huge then if I'm understanding
this correctly, it's a huge moment for you. You're really you're
really like sold out on her the hope of the
success of this thing, of the people that you're going
to meet through it. So if you were here today saying, hey,
and if I ask you the question what's the most
important project in your life right now?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Reality games?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Things like that.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
The reality So the Reality Games isn't like like if
it does well or now, I'm still going to progress forward.
But the obviously like that I said, the most important thing.
My number one thing that I do behind the scenes
is trading. Like if you look here, I was actually
I'm like, while we're doing is I still I'm looking
at the market as well, or like that's that's number one.
That is like my life's work. But I don't want
(37:35):
to be known as just the finance guy. I think
my creative side. I like being a creative So yeah,
I think that this hitch project or Spend the Block
is a way for me. It's probably my most important
project because it's a way for people to see me outside.
If anybody even pays attention, hopefully I get a new
audience base. But it's a way for people to see
(37:57):
me outside of the Bachelor. When you're the Bachelor, they
definitely you know, they dress you up, they planning to
help you plan your dates, and you know some of
the things like I didn't resonate.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
With that as well as I as I should have.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
So spin a Block is a way for people to
see me and my view of dating and how I
would approach it if it was like.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Me, you know what I'm saying, Well, it's it leads
me right into like one of my final questions for
you here, if you're going to be assisting others in
leveling up in the dating world, are you currently dating,
have you dated since Juliana?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Are you on the market?
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Listen with me, and I'm going to be very transparent here,
Like I am very cautious with what I do in
the dating space. I've never had an issue with with
with that department. You know, it's very easy in the
world to get women or but that's not what I'm
looking for. I want something very stable. I want something
very I want something that I'm committed. I don't much
(39:00):
is anybody, So for me, I take my time. That's
why I'm absent right now. I know the importance of
that and taking your time. But like I said, there's
other younger men out there that may not be able
to even get a date or really don't you know,
they maybe they don't have the means or the finances
to be able to date, or they don't have the
right clothes, or they don't how to talk, or they
(39:21):
don't or they lack of confidence. And regardless of what
anybody thinks, you know, I think spending the day with
somebody who was who was the previous batcheler and showing
them a lifestyle or showing them kind of how to
course somebody and kind of keep still have that swag
but be traditional. I think that's there's a blend of both.
So yeah, that's kind of like in a nutshell, what
(39:41):
I'm working on in my next project, and I plan
on utilizing my trading to fund to fund this project.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
But are you dating?
Speaker 5 (39:48):
No, I'm pretty much not dating right now. I'm not
seeing anybody right now. I'm hanging out, hanging out. I'm
hanging out. I'm working right now, Grant.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
For any out there listening as we kind of close
this up, taking in, you know, trying to go walk
through this show, clearing out some misconceptions, confronting some things
said obviously from Letia and then also others, and working
into where your life sits now. For listeners out there
(40:22):
that are like, hey, I want to kind of get
closure to all of this or to understand where Grant
is going, what would you say to the listeners, to
the fans of the show who have walked through this,
you know, hour long episode with us.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah, I would just first of all, I would say
thank you guys, I appreciate those the support, and yeah,
I think just finishing it off. You know, I said,
I did my best and my tenure as a bachelor,
try to be a good example, and I think for
those of you that support me, thank you. And for
those of you that don't really like me or misunderstood
I understand, and you know it's it's okay. You're not
(41:00):
going to be received well by everybody, but I appreciate
you for tuning into the journey.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Grant Ellis, thanks for jumping on the Almost Famous podcast again.
The Reality Games is going to happen on Twitch December thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Real quick, is this?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Is it a Netflix deal or what is just a No, It's.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
It's on Twitch and different streaming platforms, so it's mainly
through Twitch. So there's a company called Meme House which
does really big events out here in LA and they're
they're hosting it. It's at Beamo Stadium on Twitch.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, that's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Okay, and then also look for Grant to possibly launch
Spin the Block in the upcoming year.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Grant Ellis, thanks for jumping on.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
Thank you, Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
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