October 29, 2025 • 38 mins
Litia Garr is talking with Ashley about what life has been like, post-Bachelor...and she's not holding anything back!
Was there any truth to the rumored "coin flip" ending of her season that ultimately sent her home? Litia is opening up about how she processed her breakup feelings and how she felt when she heard that Grant and Juliana split.
Plus, could we be seeing Litia on "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives"??? Ashley gets the scoop!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost as podcast. Today is me.
Ben is on a plane. He was delayed, so he
isn't able to make our interview with the beautiful, the
wonderful Latia Gar. Hello, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hi Ashley, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi, Oh my gosh, thank you so much for being here.
You were one of the cast members in recent memory
that I can actually feel being like very glued to.
I loved I actually enjoyed watching Grants season in episodes
because of you, because like I really started to feel
(00:43):
very attached to you. I guess like top six ish, okay,
and just like thank you for being such a compelling character.
I was really rooting for you. I think that you
just seemed like you were like fun and you're beautiful,
he had depth, and I don't know, you like kind
(01:03):
of felt like a character that we would have seen
years ago on the franchise. Not that like that's not
the poopoo on anybody right now, but it's just like
the investment that I had in your relationship was the
investment level that I was more used to having about
a decade ago.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Oh, that's so nice of you to say.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I feel like I have looked out with the conversations
in time that I had, like serious, like compelling stuff
came up. I feel like, I mean, we really didn't
talk about it like anyone else in the house.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It was mostly just about me and him.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
So I feel like it made it easier in that
way that most of our time was just about him
and I.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So that's nice of you. Thank you so much, thanks
for having me. I'm a course thanks.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So when you look back on your time on the season,
do you see it through totally different lenses? When you left?
Did you think, man, I am heartbroken and this pain
is going to last so long? Or did you have
some sort of like I always describe like the lifting
(02:09):
of the bachelor bubble kind of or you're all of
a sudden thinking like oh wow, like he was hot,
but I think it was just hot and I'm not
sure whether or not like I truly felt as intensely
because you're in this bubble, What do you was? What
was your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I think I have looked at it from a few
different lenses, right, Like I think initially when I went
home and I'm like driving away in the car, I'm like,
what was that? Like, I'm so like confused, Like I
just had the rug pulled and I have no context
or anything. And I think like as I sat at home,
I was like, Okay, yeah, it was a little bit
of a bubble, and like I kind of it kind
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of starts to click that like I really didn't have
that much time with him, so there really were so
many gaps that were like big, and I just missed
so many like parts of his person and there's just
like missing context for so much.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And then for sure watching it back.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And seeing like other people's conversations added even like a
different layer of perspective where I was like, Okay, yeah,
like the conversations that he's having with other people are
not aligned with the version that I that I had
in my head while I was filming. And so it's
like you continue to learn. And I think that's like
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with any breakup, you know, like you continued, like it
kind of continues to make sense more and more as
you get away from it, and as like your feelings
kind of like fade away, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Can you give us an example, Yeah, can you give
us an example of like a conversation that you saw
and you're like, oh, this is totally different than what
I thought that guy was about.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I mean, any of his time with Juliana was just,
like I think, a different version of him than I saw,
you know, like I think, but that's also so fair,
because you know, different people bring out different sides of you,
and so like that's not to say anything about either
one of them. It was just more like, oh, yeah, no,
our relationship was so so different than theirs, and like
(04:06):
I just didn't you know, there were parts of it
where I.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Just like didn't recognize. I was like, oh, okay, Like
good to know.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
There was some speculation during your season that if you
were to pick you, he was in it, he was
gonna have to long haul it. Take it seriously, Heaven
forbid you take an engagement sercialces. Oh yeah, yes, yes.
But if he went the Juliana route, she may have
been a little bit more lax about how far, you know,
(04:34):
how fast they led to marriage and all that. Maybe
he got the vibe that he could just like date
her in real life. What's your thoughts watching it back, especially.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I mean, yeah, I think that Juliana's timeline is different
than mine. I didn't really ever talk to her about that,
but mine wasn't news to him, Like we talked about
that during the Finance.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Date when Hannah Berner was on. He like, yeah, this
game too.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
They didn't to show our conversation that night, but he
put this game together with different cards and asked about
my timeline when I wanted to have kids, and I
was like, well, once, I like meet my person like
within two years, and so if it's you, then like
two years from now is ideal. But that's like a conversation.
That's a lot of conversations that we have together, and so.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
My religion and my timeline and all.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
The rest of it seemed to be a big deal
for him at the end, but it wasn't new information.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
He knew that week too, so I was kind of
like all right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
And to me, say I love you and said like
you're the one.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah several times.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it was that.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
He said it the first time.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think he said it on FaceTime to my mom,
and he said it like throughout the date, like the
puppy date. He said it like a bunch of times,
and I remember looking at it like like I literally
looked at Bradford, and I was like, are you, like,
is you like allowed to say stuff like that?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
And you know I was. It was just.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
He continued to say it the whole time, whether or
not he was supposed to. And I know that they
talked to him about it several times, but yeah, he
kept saying it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
What's crazy is like I know that multiple bachelors, my
co hosts included, have said I love you to two
people like that to me, like actually makes sense. What
doesn't make sense to me is him kept keep he
kept saying to you, you're the one, like you're the one.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He's even more intense in the bachelor process totally.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I think, like it's so hard and like this is
dating in general, right, Like you are thinking, like when
they say something to me, that means something to me,
but I don't really know what that means to you,
and like you might be someone that they're like trying
on for size and they say things like you're my wife.
You're the one that I'm like, oh my gosh, you
act like you know so in my mind you know
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that I'm your wife. So I got to catch up
or I got to like, you know, cut you loose
and so. But to them they're just like no, like
that's just like how I like approach dating, Like I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Know, that's messed up.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It is, it's messed up.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
But I like, I'm not going to pretend to know
what goes on in the minds of boys and men.
But I think, like, you know, for whatever reason, it
made sense to him. And I think I think he
even now says that he didn't say it, which is
like fine, I don't care, like it's you know whatever,
But I think that, yeah, he said it a bunch
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and like you're my wife. He said it for the
first time actually to me and to like producers when
it was on the first group date when we did
like that R and B like my open mic thing,
when we had like our conversation and I was crying
about dating and he was like, I know that you're
my wife and then he like said it, Oh yeah,
(07:57):
I don't know he's where's this part on his sape?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I think is what he calls it.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I know that you're my wife from like week two.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Which is like so old red flag right like that
like normal people don't say stuff like that, Yeah that's true.
When is your wife after you know, fifteen minutes, thirty
minutes of conversation, so that should have been like my
first thing. I think in my mind, I was like, well,
he knows it's being filmed, and like he's actually actively
dating other people, so like there's a litmus test kind
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of built into this process of like comparing everything and
like comparing other relationships.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It sounds way more intense to say that, yeah when
there's other people involved.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
If you were like dating in real life and he
said that, and then you guys got to know each
other better and it ended up not being the truth.
That would be like one thing, yeah, but for you
to just be in a competition and he crowns you
wife at that point, Wow, okay, actions matched.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I think was the was, honestly, like the most like
I don't even I don't want to say deceiving part,
but like that's that That is what I felt let
on by the most is that like, yeah, it was
the only one that had two one on one dates
and I was the you know, like he always called
my name first for roses and like like other girls
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like when they were leaving, like in their exit interviews
were like well I know it's her, like, so it
like it wasn't just like, oh, it's all in my head.
I was like, no, like I mean privately and publicly
like he like his actions match his words.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Just do you think there's love bombing? Like I don't
even know what.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Hundred percent, but I think, like to say I love
you in eight weeks that's love, Like that's in my mind.
You know, that's like a very like accelerated like dating relationship,
from meeting someone to getting engaged like you, I kind
of like had already made my piece at that going in.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Like I was just like, yeah, yeah, the show goes,
I know that they get engaged at the end, So there.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Is like romance bombing.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah exactly, like there like there's a love bomby like
aspect of this whole thing built into it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Mm hmm yeah definitely. So when do you think it's
switched to him choosing Juliana? Hey, I heard we all
heard here on this podcast. Did you hear about a
possible coin flip?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Oh I heard about the coin flip.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I didn't hear any like confirmation about that. Yeah, if
there was a coin flip, I'm grateful for however, it all.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Turned off, I know, because you would have gotten the
right side of the coin, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I think in my mind it's like God's plan, Like
I think I felt so like looked after and grateful
for my experience I had. I had such a good
experience really because the whole time I was like I
didn't ever stress, like every real ceremony, I was like,
oh I'm good, no worries, and like, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm just like I'm just there for a good time.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Like hey, you know, I like, I mean, like I
made so many amazing friends and like, you know, everyone
on the crew like product, Like I still like text
and like keep in touch with them. Like I had
such a great time, and then it was really just
only a bummer at the.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
End, one bad moment. Yeah I got.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Food poisoning and then I got the rug pulled. But
really I think it was you know, protection, so.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
A blessing, a true blessing in disguise. Do you have
any idea though, when like it would have flipped in
his head if it weren't for a coin flip.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean, I think it's probably around overnights, I would.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking too.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, if I had to guess when it would have been,
that's when.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I'm not remembering correctly. Were overnights a thing for you
with with your Mormon religion? Did you clarify that you
were not going to be sleeping with him in the
it's just sweet?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
So so in my religion, we don't.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I mean, I think it's like most Christian religions, like
we are, I don't believe in premarital sex.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
For me.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
An added layer of that was that there are other
people involved, and like at a minimum, you know, I
don't want to like have anything like when I know
that we're not exclusive, you know, and not just that,
but like I know the other girls that are there,
(12:29):
and I'm friends with them, I love them, Like that's
so And if you're for me, like that's weird.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And if you're not, I.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Don't, you know, want to be like having that kind
of a night with my friend's fiance that she's getting engcourse.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You know, like that's just weird to me.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Even though I knew, you know, it was a part
of the process and that was coming. I had just
kind of decided before I came that that was just
like just not really how I wanted to spend that time.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Have you heard that Grant is right now very vocal
about his celibacy journey.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I did. I heard that. Yeah, good for him.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Anything else to elaborate on.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
No power to him. Okay, yeah, good luck he.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He is. We thought interesting. It was interesting, like I'm
all about him actually talking about that publicly. But what
was interesting to us was that, like he said that
he has some credentials for being a dating expert because
he was the Bachelor. That's why he's doing a new
dating show. What do you think about having.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, I would love to see his resume.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, okay, Well his show will come out soon and
we'll know further about how he deems himself an expert.
I'm gonna say the next week or so. I do
think it's like a YouTube show. I'm not one hundred
percent show.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Nice okay, good for him, Yeah, happy for him.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So we know that you Letia and Juliana do not
follow each other on Instagram? Was that? Oh? Was that
a real friendship to begin with?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
So my friendship with Juliana was the same as like
my friendship with most of the girls. I think that
obviously you're closer to certain people because either you share
like a room with them, or you happen to be
on the same group dates as them, or you just
like naturally.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Are more drawn to other peoples.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yeah, I think that for a lot of the time,
I think she kind of like isolated herself from the
group and so she was not really I would say,
close with as many of the girls until towards the end,
like in Scotland, so like to me, like, I genuinely
like and I still do, like I care for Juliana.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I have love for her.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I want to see like her successful and happy, and
I think that I don't agree with some of her
choices and some of the things that she said there
at the end, but like, I still like I don't
have any ill will towards her, and I certainly don't
like hold anything against her.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I think she's doing the best she can.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So it was never like you guys were besties, no, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I was very close to and Dina okay, and Zoe
and Alex and Natalie, and like I think those were
like my closer closer girls throughout filming.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Did you did you reach out at all after the breakup?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, Juliana and I facetimed like oh you did after yeah,
and it was like totally friendly until the end. It
was like news to me at the end that like
I was making up and I was, you know, she
took offense to things. There was an offense intended, but
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that's how it was taken.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So so that was throughout the like the airing and
like before airing, before.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Airing, exchange text messages and yeah, up until honestly, like
I think maybe hometowns are overnights the week that those aired, okay,
like texting and okay and then checking in on each
other and yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But then when the two of them broke up, Julana
and Grant, you didn't you didn't talk to her since then,
I haven't talked to her alrighty, so you are friends with.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
That as well. Yeah, I wish her well.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh of course, of course, of course, yes, No, I
mean that makes total sense. If you guys stopped talking
long before their breakup, that wouldn't make any sense as
to why you would have talked afterward, unless you know
she wanted to be like, I'm jealous. I wish I
didn't have to go through that.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
No, she doesn't even jealous. She's doing well, she's doing
She's doing just fine.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah. Yes, So our next bachelorette, Taylor Friggy Paul is
also Mormon, also lives in Utah. And uh, I remember
that there was some like spotting of you with some
of the Secret Wives ladies.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Were you filming an episode of the show.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah, I think that there was filming going on. I'm
not like a cast member or anything.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah, there's no.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, but you've maybe been around the set before.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I've been around. Yeah, I've been around okay while they're filmed.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So then do you know do you know Taylor?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I know Taylor. I've met Taylor a few times. I
really like her. I'm excited to watch her. I think
she is.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I mean, I was a fan of Secret Lives of
Mormon Wives, like before I ever met any of them,
and so like, I'm just like, I you know, they're
good at their job. Like I'm entertained that. So I'm
I'm a fan of Taylor. I want to see her
win and I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Is there any think that you think the audience should
know that Taylor should keep in mind when filming when
it comes to being more men.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
One thing that I hope that maybe happened because I
was on in the season before, is I hope that
people are just a little bit more open minded that
I think there's like a lot of like cult talk,
and I will say, I want to shout out you
and Ben, and Ben especially because I think he knows
some people that are like active in my religion. And
(18:31):
I really appreciated how much grace and like, uh, open
mindedness and realness you guys talked about my religion and
specifically me with I think a lot of people. And
when I say a lot, it's like maybe there were
a few people, but it takes up a lot of
space in your brain, you.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Know when people say it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But I think that there's like a misconception about my
religion that women especially are. It's really really strict for women,
and it's like very narrow own minded and conservative and traditional,
and I think that by the world standards and like
you know, everything else that's going on, it is conservative.
But we all definitely have our own agency and free
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will to choose whatever we want. And like the biggest
thing about our religion is that we are taught is
that God loves you, and that like church and religion
and his love is for everyone. And so I think
that a lot of people view our choices as like, oh,
that must It's like our religion is very prescriptive, and
(19:33):
like she must be doing that because she thinks that
the men in her life or the you know, like
her church leaders are gonna come down on her.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
For this, and it's like, no, Like, I live according to.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
My religion standards because I actually believe that's the thing
that brings the most happiness and peace to my life.
And I haven't found anything else that brings that amount
of joy and peace to me.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
So that's why it is.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
The core tenant that I live my life by, not
because I'm scared of men or because I think that
I'm scared of what people will think. Like I do
things according to what I think will bring me the
most happiness. So I think I hope that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
That shows I hope much take.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
That into account. I think Taylor.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I honestly really commend Taylor for everything that she has
like said about her relationship, because you know, none of
us are without like our regrets or mistakes, and I
think that she views forgiveness and be atonement in the
same way that I do. And it's just that it's
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for everyone, and that's why it exists. It's because we're
not perfect and God wants us to be happy. So
I think that's how I hope that people view our
religion and us as women that are members of our religion.
Is just that we're doing the best we can and
it doesn't mean that we need to be perfect. We're
just you know, figuring it out just like everybody else.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I think she's going to demonstrate a lot of what
you just said, just based on me watching season one
of Housewife of you know, Mormon Wives. She's going to
do a good job doing that. Is it frustrating to
you guys that Mormons and Polygamis get lumped together and correctly?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah, Like I think, like it's just I think there
are misconceptions about any religion, you know, Like I think, yeah,
has like a whole thing that they probably wish wasn't
a part of their Like we all kind of have.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Like no one is perfect. Again, that's why.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
You know, we believe in forgiveness and we subscribe to,
you know, the idea that you can do better and
learn and do better next time. But I think I
like Polygny doesn't resonate with me. I don't understand that part.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I'm with you, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I don't get that part, But I know the parts
that really resonate with me, and those are the things
that I love my life by.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Poligamy's not one of them, though. That's that's for certain.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
I'm not And especially after the Bachelor experience, I don't
think I'm I don't think.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I don't think I've cut out for it.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh my gosh, do they ever approach you to be
the bachelorette? I know that they kind of said that
there wasn't going to be a bachelorette after your season,
but lo and behold, it is actually what we got.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I mean, I think saying like it's the same thing
every season, you know, like they kind of just put
feelers out and you go out for it and you
talk to you know, Rob and whoever. And but then
they fired all the producers. So I was like, oh, yeah,
doing the showing.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
A bad time to be in contention to be the lead. Well,
you would be a fabulous lead, and we do hope
that you're on something in the future because you'd be
so so good you're just You're good at holding your
own and you're a good personality for this. You bring
a lot of goodness to the franchise, So I hope
(22:59):
that you're around. But before we move on to talk
more about present day, I do just want to talk
about your epic departure from the show. I mean maybe
maybe the most memorable departure I could think of, since
like a Switcheroo type season really big, right, yes, because
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we were floored that it wasn't you it was and
you just are such like you just delivered the perfect
amount of bitchiness that the situation called for. The way
that you're just like called the come on now hilarious?
Did you cringe a little watching it back?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
I love watching it back, like literally, like I was
not actually I was not well, like when I tell
you they gave me so much medicine because I had
food poisoning, like I was not.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
They gave me so much medicine.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
To make sure that I was like I didn't have anything,
Like I was okay, walk down and like and stand
there for that I blacked out, Like I really don't
like I like watching it because it's like I get
to be like a viewer and just be like because
I don't remember a ton and like I I don't
say that a lot in my normal life. I was
(24:25):
just like I think I was so exhausted and so
just like I think it was like most of what
you saw there was me just being like that's okay,
Like it doesn't have to be me, but like be
so for real right.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Now, like exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Just literally level with me here, and like I was
just looking for traction, like just be a real person
and just like admit that, like you're going back on
what you said this whole time, that's totally fine, but
just like I like I want you to like just
say it, and he just like wouldn't and so I
(25:03):
was just like really like yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I would have were handled it the exact same way.
Maybe that's why I love it so much, Just like dude,
are you wait kidding me? Are you kidding me? Because
you never see that with people. You see them that
get like mad and sad but mostly quiet, and you're
so vocal, And I loved it so much.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
When that conversation was so long, Ashley, like I like
we were sat there for probably forty five minutes, like
Paullie and ever like is like rushing us through. They're
like Grant, like you have to get in the car
like you had like okay, you guys gotta start walking now,
like you have to walk away. And he's like no,
like he was like getting mad. He was like no
(25:47):
a minute, like I have too much to say, and
like I think ultimately I think he just like didn't
want me to like be mad at him, Like he
just like didn't want it to like end on bad terms.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
And I was just like, well, you should have thought
about that.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
The entire time when you were saying all this stuff
like I'm sorry, there's just like not a world where
this ends well for you, like with and I like
I was just like after every yeah said, after all
of like the warnings and like how cautious I feel
like I've been for both of us, and you just
like barreled.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Past them every time.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
There's not like this was gonna be bad, Like It's
not like and I didn't want it to be mean either,
Like I I hope it didn't come across in that way.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It wasn't mean though because of what he did, it
was deserving.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I was just like accountable, like yeah, just be accountable.
It can be done, but he just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
So I was like, well, so basically he was trying
to keep you there for forty five five minutes, but
not at all admitting that like he said things that
he should have never said.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, because he would be like, well do you think,
like do you think I've been misleading? And I was
like I literally I looked over to like the audio
people on the camera people, and I was like, shall
we run the tapes?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Like I don't have like I don't have.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
The energy, and we don't have the time to like
really like express to you by.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Of course, like of course you've been misleading.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
And I don't know how much of that is like
part of being the lead and how much of that
is because you thought it was me or you just
wanted me to like you or whatever it was. But
I was just like duh, like yeah, this is this
is not pleasant to your misfortune.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I would have loved to have the forty five minutes
aired because.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Oh I was just have them aired.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I would love to watch because I blacked out, Like
all I know is that like my like when I
got in the car and I was like, you know,
trying to like make sense of it.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
She's like, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
They've ever let anyone have that much time for like
the breakup before, Like I think typically it's like a
I have to ten minutes, like they like to like
rush it through so that it can be like happy couple,
you know. But they let me have the time, and
he insisted on the time.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I would have thought, and it seemed like on TV
that he just wanted to get you out of there.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, I mean I wanted to get out, Like I
was like, I'm uncomfortable, like you think I want to
be in this trust right now, Like I was like
I want to lay down, I want to take a nap,
I want to go home, like I'm ready to get
out of here.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So after a moment like that, I'm assuming that you
just probably weren't very surprised when he and Juliana broke
up so shortly after the finale.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I don't know. I mean I wasn't happy to see it,
like I think when we were.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Wanted it, because you know, like they were like each
other's match and all the rest of it. So I
was like sad to see it, not work out because
I was like, he for sure wanted it, So I
was like, well, I want him to be happy, but yeah,
I gotta be honest, like, I don't know who he is,
Like I I thought that I did while it aired,
(29:17):
and then that we've seen, like, you know, a different
persona online and so I think I wanted, you know,
to see him be happy and figure it out, and
he didn't.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So maybe his new social media content is that he
seems very very much interested in finding the one now
and I think that that a lot of people doubted
that desire about a year ago. And I don't really
know if I have a question about that, but just
(29:49):
a statement.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, I mean I don't really see his stuff very often.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I did see.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
The celibacy thing and cheering them on in that regard,
but I really don't know anything else.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Alrighty, Well, have you dated at all since?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah? I've dated a little bit here and there.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
What's a date look like these days? It's been a
long time for me, Like, is it still sucks so bad?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
It sucks so bad, Ashley.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
No, it's they're fine. They're fun.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
There are good guys out there, and I think, like
I have definitely been on dates with good guys and
been on a date with a few duds. That's just
you know, the luck of the draw. That's how it goes.
But nothing to be jealous.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
So okay, so no one out there of note right now?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
There's a few of note I think, Oh okay, there
are until you know, you gotta keep hope. You know,
you gotta stay possible.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Okay, good, okay, great, all right, so there's some guys
that you're still talking to. Oh yeah, okay, great. Have
you been interested or ever DMed with anybody from Brachelination?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I think like friendly exchanges, but I haven't like been
on dates with anyone or like nothing romantic from anyone.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
We thought you hung out with Alex, who is now
with Andrew. I just want to say that they're engaged
because they're so cute and I want them to be engaged.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I love them so much.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I love like, I truly like Alex is like my
little sister like I. We are so different, but we
are like bonded. I like, I don't know why, we
like text all the time, FaceTime every day, Like I
just I love Alex.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And when they came into town. I was like, like,
I really hope I like Andrew and I totally did.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, oh yeah, he's wonderful. They're just the most cute
thing in the entire world. She was one of the
people that I felt like very similarly towards you, like
like I felt about you, but I felt mostly with
that with Alex when she was on Paradise, Like I
loved watching Alex on Paradise.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yes, no, I feel like she really got to shine
on Paradise. I loved watching her on that. I love
watching them and Bailey and Risa and Zoe and Aliciat
like all, Like I just we got so lucky with
the girls on our season, Like I really like, we
got so so lucky. There's we got so many good ones.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Would there have been anybody from Vaccination that you would
have put on your list if you had gone to Paradise?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So That's why I didn't go, because I was just
kind of okay, like who am I going? Like that
was like the conversations that I was having is I
was like, not to be mean, but like, I like,
there's not anyone that I'm like, ooh, like I really hope,
you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, okay, well so you're open to it for the future. Sure, yeah, okay, cool,
Just wasn't a good time?
Speaker 3 (32:58):
All right?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Good? Well, I hope that this cass is full of
cute guys that you would like to date.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
In Paradise the other day. No, they look great.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, some of them are from Utah.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I know. I saw there's actually a few.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, it makes sense. I'm glad that they did that.
But then you could probably just meet those guys whenever
they go home.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
No, I think I have actually a few.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Oh really just before they went to go film.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
No. No, like just from living in Utah for like
forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
It's just small. It's a small Wow, Ashley, you should come.
You have to come out one time.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I've been to Salt like once, and I've been to
which the other place an hour away, the bougie place
Parks Yeah, yeah, park City. Both are so nice. Yep,
I love it. Yeah, so nice. The air is like
crisp there. It just like tastes like fresh.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Is It's like it's cold and it's sharp. No. Yeah,
but it's it's a small, small place.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Do you have any thoughts of these guys that you see.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
There's a lot of cuties. Yeah. No, I'm excited for her.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I think, like I'm excited for her to kind of
like dip her toe in a fresh pool of different people,
kind of like outside of Utah, and I think.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
It'll be good. Like I'm I'm so excited to watch.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So you're saying that you like feel like some of
those faces are familiar on the list, And my producer
and I were just speculating the other day that she
is going to have met some of these guys in
the past because of the small town vibes either.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, I think for sure.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
I think there's no way with how many people are
from Utah in that cast that her path that their
paths haven't crossed before filming.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I could be wrong. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
And like that's on casting to see, you know, how
many mutuals they have and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
So we'll see how good at digging they.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Did, because I think they like everybody to be pretty separate,
you know, like that it's like a pretty fresh thing.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
So I'll be I'll be interested to see if she
knows any of them.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
So you had a really cool ad over the summer
where your teas that you were getting married, but you
were actually walking down the frozen food aisle. Loved it.
It was perfectly teased. It really did make oh quite
many headlines. What are you working on these days? What
does life look like today?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Well?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I got banks, that's new.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Cool curtain banks.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, and I got a house. I love that.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh wow, so great.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Yeah, my life is pretty much the same as when
I loft, which I love. Like I have a good life,
but it's not I don't have a ton of new.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
What are you doing for work? Is it mostly influencing.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Influencing right now?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yep, I'm winding down on venture capital and just staying
open minded to see.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
All right, well, good for you. Any plans for Halloween
before we let you go.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, one of my friends is hosting a night and
we're being Disney princesses.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
So we're dressing up on so cute.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Who are you going to be?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Jasmine?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yay, the best one there is. Yeah, I have been
Jasmine for I can't even tell you how many halloweens.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
No, you're literally you are Jasmine.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I'm pretty sure that you are too, So somehow we
can both be really good Jasmins.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
The Brunette like Olive Complexion, girl Small, She's from.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, well Lytia. It has been such a pleasure talking
to you, and I can't wait to hopefully see you
on our TVs at some other point because you're You're
great and wow. I regardless of how you find it,
I just want you to find love because you are
some wifey material.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I just want to say to you and Ben for
having me on, but also because your podcast was one
of the few podcasts that was a safe space for
me to listen to in terms of recaph, so I
just want to say, like, as like someone that was
on the show, it's I love your takes. I'm sad,
I love I listened to like I still listen to it,
(37:13):
and I love you guys, and I'm so grateful for
you guys.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Latia, thank you. That's so sweet. The fact that you
even listened to a podcast while it was airing is scary.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
It no, it was scary, but I like, consistently every
week it was a safe space and I loved hearing
your guys' opinions because you were always so kind and
like gave me so much grace and everyone so much grace.
So I just like, it's not easy in the reality
TV space to look at people as people, and you
both do such a good job.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
So thank you so much, thank you so much. Ah
all right, well guys, until next time, I've been Ashley
and that has been Latia gar Bye.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
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Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah,
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost as podcast. Today is me.
Ben is on a plane. He was delayed, so he
isn't able to make our interview with the beautiful, the
wonderful Latia Gar. Hello, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hi Ashley, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi, Oh my gosh, thank you so much for being here.
You were one of the cast members in recent memory
that I can actually feel being like very glued to.
I loved I actually enjoyed watching Grants season in episodes
because of you, because like I really started to feel
(00:43):
very attached to you. I guess like top six ish, okay,
and just like thank you for being such a compelling character.
I was really rooting for you. I think that you
just seemed like you were like fun and you're beautiful,
he had depth, and I don't know, you like kind
(01:03):
of felt like a character that we would have seen
years ago on the franchise. Not that like that's not
the poopoo on anybody right now, but it's just like
the investment that I had in your relationship was the
investment level that I was more used to having about
a decade ago.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Oh, that's so nice of you to say.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I feel like I have looked out with the conversations
in time that I had, like serious, like compelling stuff
came up. I feel like, I mean, we really didn't
talk about it like anyone else in the house.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It was mostly just about me and him.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
So I feel like it made it easier in that
way that most of our time was just about him
and I.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So that's nice of you. Thank you so much, thanks
for having me. I'm a course thanks.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So when you look back on your time on the season,
do you see it through totally different lenses? When you left?
Did you think, man, I am heartbroken and this pain
is going to last so long? Or did you have
some sort of like I always describe like the lifting
(02:09):
of the bachelor bubble kind of or you're all of
a sudden thinking like oh wow, like he was hot,
but I think it was just hot and I'm not
sure whether or not like I truly felt as intensely
because you're in this bubble, What do you was? What
was your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I think I have looked at it from a few
different lenses, right, Like I think initially when I went
home and I'm like driving away in the car, I'm like,
what was that? Like, I'm so like confused, Like I
just had the rug pulled and I have no context
or anything. And I think like as I sat at home,
I was like, Okay, yeah, it was a little bit
of a bubble, and like I kind of it kind
(02:50):
of starts to click that like I really didn't have
that much time with him, so there really were so
many gaps that were like big, and I just missed
so many like parts of his person and there's just
like missing context for so much.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And then for sure watching it back.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And seeing like other people's conversations added even like a
different layer of perspective where I was like, Okay, yeah,
like the conversations that he's having with other people are
not aligned with the version that I that I had
in my head while I was filming. And so it's
like you continue to learn. And I think that's like
(03:24):
with any breakup, you know, like you continued, like it
kind of continues to make sense more and more as
you get away from it, and as like your feelings
kind of like fade away, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Can you give us an example, Yeah, can you give
us an example of like a conversation that you saw
and you're like, oh, this is totally different than what
I thought that guy was about.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I mean, any of his time with Juliana was just,
like I think, a different version of him than I saw,
you know, like I think, but that's also so fair,
because you know, different people bring out different sides of you,
and so like that's not to say anything about either
one of them. It was just more like, oh, yeah, no,
our relationship was so so different than theirs, and like
(04:06):
I just didn't you know, there were parts of it
where I.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Just like didn't recognize. I was like, oh, okay, Like
good to know.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
There was some speculation during your season that if you
were to pick you, he was in it, he was
gonna have to long haul it. Take it seriously, Heaven
forbid you take an engagement sercialces. Oh yeah, yes, yes.
But if he went the Juliana route, she may have
been a little bit more lax about how far, you know,
(04:34):
how fast they led to marriage and all that. Maybe
he got the vibe that he could just like date
her in real life. What's your thoughts watching it back, especially.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I mean, yeah, I think that Juliana's timeline is different
than mine. I didn't really ever talk to her about that,
but mine wasn't news to him, Like we talked about
that during the Finance.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Date when Hannah Berner was on. He like, yeah, this
game too.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
They didn't to show our conversation that night, but he
put this game together with different cards and asked about
my timeline when I wanted to have kids, and I
was like, well, once, I like meet my person like
within two years, and so if it's you, then like
two years from now is ideal. But that's like a conversation.
That's a lot of conversations that we have together, and so.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
My religion and my timeline and all.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
The rest of it seemed to be a big deal
for him at the end, but it wasn't new information.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
He knew that week too, so I was kind of
like all right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
And to me, say I love you and said like
you're the one.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah several times.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it was that.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
He said it the first time.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think he said it on FaceTime to my mom,
and he said it like throughout the date, like the
puppy date. He said it like a bunch of times,
and I remember looking at it like like I literally
looked at Bradford, and I was like, are you, like,
is you like allowed to say stuff like that?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
And you know I was. It was just.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
He continued to say it the whole time, whether or
not he was supposed to. And I know that they
talked to him about it several times, but yeah, he
kept saying it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
What's crazy is like I know that multiple bachelors, my
co hosts included, have said I love you to two
people like that to me, like actually makes sense. What
doesn't make sense to me is him kept keep he
kept saying to you, you're the one, like you're the one.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He's even more intense in the bachelor process totally.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I think, like it's so hard and like this is
dating in general, right, Like you are thinking, like when
they say something to me, that means something to me,
but I don't really know what that means to you,
and like you might be someone that they're like trying
on for size and they say things like you're my wife.
You're the one that I'm like, oh my gosh, you
act like you know so in my mind you know
(06:59):
that I'm your wife. So I got to catch up
or I got to like, you know, cut you loose
and so. But to them they're just like no, like
that's just like how I like approach dating, Like I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Know, that's messed up.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It is, it's messed up.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
But I like, I'm not going to pretend to know
what goes on in the minds of boys and men.
But I think, like, you know, for whatever reason, it
made sense to him. And I think I think he
even now says that he didn't say it, which is
like fine, I don't care, like it's you know whatever,
But I think that, yeah, he said it a bunch
(07:33):
and like you're my wife. He said it for the
first time actually to me and to like producers when
it was on the first group date when we did
like that R and B like my open mic thing,
when we had like our conversation and I was crying
about dating and he was like, I know that you're
my wife and then he like said it, Oh yeah,
(07:57):
I don't know he's where's this part on his sape?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I think is what he calls it.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I know that you're my wife from like week two.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Which is like so old red flag right like that
like normal people don't say stuff like that, Yeah that's true.
When is your wife after you know, fifteen minutes, thirty
minutes of conversation, so that should have been like my
first thing. I think in my mind, I was like, well,
he knows it's being filmed, and like he's actually actively
dating other people, so like there's a litmus test kind
(08:28):
of built into this process of like comparing everything and
like comparing other relationships.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It sounds way more intense to say that, yeah when
there's other people involved.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
If you were like dating in real life and he
said that, and then you guys got to know each
other better and it ended up not being the truth.
That would be like one thing, yeah, but for you
to just be in a competition and he crowns you
wife at that point, Wow, okay, actions matched.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I think was the was, honestly, like the most like
I don't even I don't want to say deceiving part,
but like that's that That is what I felt let
on by the most is that like, yeah, it was
the only one that had two one on one dates
and I was the you know, like he always called
my name first for roses and like like other girls
(09:21):
like when they were leaving, like in their exit interviews
were like well I know it's her, like, so it
like it wasn't just like, oh, it's all in my head.
I was like, no, like I mean privately and publicly
like he like his actions match his words.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Just do you think there's love bombing? Like I don't
even know what.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Hundred percent, but I think, like to say I love
you in eight weeks that's love, Like that's in my mind.
You know, that's like a very like accelerated like dating relationship,
from meeting someone to getting engaged like you, I kind
of like had already made my piece at that going in.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Like I was just like, yeah, yeah, the show goes,
I know that they get engaged at the end, So there.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Is like romance bombing.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah exactly, like there like there's a love bomby like
aspect of this whole thing built into it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Mm hmm yeah definitely. So when do you think it's
switched to him choosing Juliana? Hey, I heard we all
heard here on this podcast. Did you hear about a
possible coin flip?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Oh I heard about the coin flip.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I didn't hear any like confirmation about that. Yeah, if
there was a coin flip, I'm grateful for however, it all.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Turned off, I know, because you would have gotten the
right side of the coin, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I think in my mind it's like God's plan, Like
I think I felt so like looked after and grateful
for my experience I had. I had such a good
experience really because the whole time I was like I
didn't ever stress, like every real ceremony, I was like,
oh I'm good, no worries, and like, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm just like I'm just there for a good time.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Like hey, you know, I like, I mean, like I
made so many amazing friends and like, you know, everyone
on the crew like product, Like I still like text
and like keep in touch with them. Like I had
such a great time, and then it was really just
only a bummer at the.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
End, one bad moment. Yeah I got.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Food poisoning and then I got the rug pulled. But
really I think it was you know, protection, so.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
A blessing, a true blessing in disguise. Do you have
any idea though, when like it would have flipped in
his head if it weren't for a coin flip.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean, I think it's probably around overnights, I would.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking too.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, if I had to guess when it would have been,
that's when.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I'm not remembering correctly. Were overnights a thing for you
with with your Mormon religion? Did you clarify that you
were not going to be sleeping with him in the
it's just sweet?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
So so in my religion, we don't.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I mean, I think it's like most Christian religions, like
we are, I don't believe in premarital sex.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
For me.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
An added layer of that was that there are other
people involved, and like at a minimum, you know, I
don't want to like have anything like when I know
that we're not exclusive, you know, and not just that,
but like I know the other girls that are there,
(12:29):
and I'm friends with them, I love them, Like that's
so And if you're for me, like that's weird.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And if you're not, I.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Don't, you know, want to be like having that kind
of a night with my friend's fiance that she's getting engcourse.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You know, like that's just weird to me.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Even though I knew, you know, it was a part
of the process and that was coming. I had just
kind of decided before I came that that was just
like just not really how I wanted to spend that time.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Have you heard that Grant is right now very vocal
about his celibacy journey.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I did. I heard that. Yeah, good for him.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Anything else to elaborate on.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
No power to him. Okay, yeah, good luck he.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He is. We thought interesting. It was interesting, like I'm
all about him actually talking about that publicly. But what
was interesting to us was that, like he said that
he has some credentials for being a dating expert because
he was the Bachelor. That's why he's doing a new
dating show. What do you think about having.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, I would love to see his resume.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, okay, Well his show will come out soon and
we'll know further about how he deems himself an expert.
I'm gonna say the next week or so. I do
think it's like a YouTube show. I'm not one hundred
percent show.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Nice okay, good for him, Yeah, happy for him.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So we know that you Letia and Juliana do not
follow each other on Instagram? Was that? Oh? Was that
a real friendship to begin with?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
So my friendship with Juliana was the same as like
my friendship with most of the girls. I think that
obviously you're closer to certain people because either you share
like a room with them, or you happen to be
on the same group dates as them, or you just
like naturally.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Are more drawn to other peoples.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yeah, I think that for a lot of the time,
I think she kind of like isolated herself from the
group and so she was not really I would say,
close with as many of the girls until towards the end,
like in Scotland, so like to me, like, I genuinely
like and I still do, like I care for Juliana.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I have love for her.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I want to see like her successful and happy, and
I think that I don't agree with some of her
choices and some of the things that she said there
at the end, but like, I still like I don't
have any ill will towards her, and I certainly don't
like hold anything against her.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I think she's doing the best she can.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So it was never like you guys were besties, no, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I was very close to and Dina okay, and Zoe
and Alex and Natalie, and like I think those were
like my closer closer girls throughout filming.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Did you did you reach out at all after the breakup?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, Juliana and I facetimed like oh you did after yeah,
and it was like totally friendly until the end. It
was like news to me at the end that like
I was making up and I was, you know, she
took offense to things. There was an offense intended, but
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that's how it was taken.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So so that was throughout the like the airing and
like before airing, before.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Airing, exchange text messages and yeah, up until honestly, like
I think maybe hometowns are overnights the week that those aired, okay,
like texting and okay and then checking in on each
other and yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But then when the two of them broke up, Julana
and Grant, you didn't you didn't talk to her since then,
I haven't talked to her alrighty, so you are friends with.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
That as well. Yeah, I wish her well.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh of course, of course, of course, yes, No, I
mean that makes total sense. If you guys stopped talking
long before their breakup, that wouldn't make any sense as
to why you would have talked afterward, unless you know
she wanted to be like, I'm jealous. I wish I
didn't have to go through that.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
No, she doesn't even jealous. She's doing well, she's doing
She's doing just fine.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah. Yes, So our next bachelorette, Taylor Friggy Paul is
also Mormon, also lives in Utah. And uh, I remember
that there was some like spotting of you with some
of the Secret Wives ladies.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Were you filming an episode of the show.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah, I think that there was filming going on. I'm
not like a cast member or anything.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah, there's no.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, but you've maybe been around the set before.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I've been around. Yeah, I've been around okay while they're filmed.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So then do you know do you know Taylor?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I know Taylor. I've met Taylor a few times. I
really like her. I'm excited to watch her. I think
she is.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I mean, I was a fan of Secret Lives of
Mormon Wives, like before I ever met any of them,
and so like, I'm just like, I you know, they're
good at their job. Like I'm entertained that. So I'm
I'm a fan of Taylor. I want to see her
win and I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Is there any think that you think the audience should
know that Taylor should keep in mind when filming when
it comes to being more men.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
One thing that I hope that maybe happened because I
was on in the season before, is I hope that
people are just a little bit more open minded that
I think there's like a lot of like cult talk,
and I will say, I want to shout out you
and Ben, and Ben especially because I think he knows
some people that are like active in my religion. And
(18:31):
I really appreciated how much grace and like, uh, open
mindedness and realness you guys talked about my religion and
specifically me with I think a lot of people. And
when I say a lot, it's like maybe there were
a few people, but it takes up a lot of
space in your brain, you.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Know when people say it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But I think that there's like a misconception about my
religion that women especially are. It's really really strict for women,
and it's like very narrow own minded and conservative and traditional,
and I think that by the world standards and like
you know, everything else that's going on, it is conservative.
But we all definitely have our own agency and free
(19:13):
will to choose whatever we want. And like the biggest
thing about our religion is that we are taught is
that God loves you, and that like church and religion
and his love is for everyone. And so I think
that a lot of people view our choices as like, oh,
that must It's like our religion is very prescriptive, and
(19:33):
like she must be doing that because she thinks that
the men in her life or the you know, like
her church leaders are gonna come down on her.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
For this, and it's like, no, Like, I live according to.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
My religion standards because I actually believe that's the thing
that brings the most happiness and peace to my life.
And I haven't found anything else that brings that amount
of joy and peace to me.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
So that's why it is.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
The core tenant that I live my life by, not
because I'm scared of men or because I think that
I'm scared of what people will think. Like I do
things according to what I think will bring me the
most happiness. So I think I hope that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
That shows I hope much take.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
That into account. I think Taylor.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I honestly really commend Taylor for everything that she has
like said about her relationship, because you know, none of
us are without like our regrets or mistakes, and I
think that she views forgiveness and be atonement in the
same way that I do. And it's just that it's
(20:39):
for everyone, and that's why it exists. It's because we're
not perfect and God wants us to be happy. So
I think that's how I hope that people view our
religion and us as women that are members of our religion.
Is just that we're doing the best we can and
it doesn't mean that we need to be perfect. We're
just you know, figuring it out just like everybody else.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I think she's going to demonstrate a lot of what
you just said, just based on me watching season one
of Housewife of you know, Mormon Wives. She's going to
do a good job doing that. Is it frustrating to
you guys that Mormons and Polygamis get lumped together and correctly?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah, Like I think, like it's just I think there
are misconceptions about any religion, you know, Like I think, yeah,
has like a whole thing that they probably wish wasn't
a part of their Like we all kind of have.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Like no one is perfect. Again, that's why.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
You know, we believe in forgiveness and we subscribe to,
you know, the idea that you can do better and
learn and do better next time. But I think I
like Polygny doesn't resonate with me. I don't understand that part.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I'm with you, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I don't get that part, But I know the parts
that really resonate with me, and those are the things
that I love my life by.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Poligamy's not one of them, though. That's that's for certain.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
I'm not And especially after the Bachelor experience, I don't
think I'm I don't think.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I don't think I've cut out for it.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh my gosh, do they ever approach you to be
the bachelorette? I know that they kind of said that
there wasn't going to be a bachelorette after your season,
but lo and behold, it is actually what we got.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I mean, I think saying like it's the same thing
every season, you know, like they kind of just put
feelers out and you go out for it and you
talk to you know, Rob and whoever. And but then
they fired all the producers. So I was like, oh, yeah,
doing the showing.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
A bad time to be in contention to be the lead. Well,
you would be a fabulous lead, and we do hope
that you're on something in the future because you'd be
so so good you're just You're good at holding your
own and you're a good personality for this. You bring
a lot of goodness to the franchise, So I hope
(22:59):
that you're around. But before we move on to talk
more about present day, I do just want to talk
about your epic departure from the show. I mean maybe
maybe the most memorable departure I could think of, since
like a Switcheroo type season really big, right, yes, because
(23:24):
we were floored that it wasn't you it was and
you just are such like you just delivered the perfect
amount of bitchiness that the situation called for. The way
that you're just like called the come on now hilarious?
Did you cringe a little watching it back?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
I love watching it back, like literally, like I was
not actually I was not well, like when I tell
you they gave me so much medicine because I had
food poisoning, like I was not.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
They gave me so much medicine.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
To make sure that I was like I didn't have anything,
Like I was okay, walk down and like and stand
there for that I blacked out, Like I really don't
like I like watching it because it's like I get
to be like a viewer and just be like because
I don't remember a ton and like I I don't
say that a lot in my normal life. I was
(24:25):
just like I think I was so exhausted and so
just like I think it was like most of what
you saw there was me just being like that's okay,
Like it doesn't have to be me, but like be
so for real right.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Now, like exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Just literally level with me here, and like I was
just looking for traction, like just be a real person
and just like admit that, like you're going back on
what you said this whole time, that's totally fine, but
just like I like I want you to like just
say it, and he just like wouldn't and so I
(25:03):
was just like really like yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I would have were handled it the exact same way.
Maybe that's why I love it so much, Just like dude,
are you wait kidding me? Are you kidding me? Because
you never see that with people. You see them that
get like mad and sad but mostly quiet, and you're
so vocal, And I loved it so much.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
When that conversation was so long, Ashley, like I like
we were sat there for probably forty five minutes, like
Paullie and ever like is like rushing us through. They're
like Grant, like you have to get in the car
like you had like okay, you guys gotta start walking now,
like you have to walk away. And he's like no,
like he was like getting mad. He was like no
(25:47):
a minute, like I have too much to say, and
like I think ultimately I think he just like didn't
want me to like be mad at him, Like he
just like didn't want it to like end on bad terms.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
And I was just like, well, you should have thought
about that.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
The entire time when you were saying all this stuff
like I'm sorry, there's just like not a world where
this ends well for you, like with and I like
I was just like after every yeah said, after all
of like the warnings and like how cautious I feel
like I've been for both of us, and you just
like barreled.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Past them every time.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
There's not like this was gonna be bad, Like It's
not like and I didn't want it to be mean either,
Like I I hope it didn't come across in that way.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It wasn't mean though because of what he did, it
was deserving.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I was just like accountable, like yeah, just be accountable.
It can be done, but he just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
So I was like, well, so basically he was trying
to keep you there for forty five five minutes, but
not at all admitting that like he said things that
he should have never said.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, because he would be like, well do you think,
like do you think I've been misleading? And I was
like I literally I looked over to like the audio
people on the camera people, and I was like, shall
we run the tapes?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Like I don't have like I don't have.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
The energy, and we don't have the time to like
really like express to you by.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Of course, like of course you've been misleading.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
And I don't know how much of that is like
part of being the lead and how much of that
is because you thought it was me or you just
wanted me to like you or whatever it was. But
I was just like duh, like yeah, this is this
is not pleasant to your misfortune.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I would have loved to have the forty five minutes
aired because.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Oh I was just have them aired.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I would love to watch because I blacked out, Like
all I know is that like my like when I
got in the car and I was like, you know,
trying to like make sense of it.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
She's like, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
They've ever let anyone have that much time for like
the breakup before, Like I think typically it's like a
I have to ten minutes, like they like to like
rush it through so that it can be like happy couple,
you know. But they let me have the time, and
he insisted on the time.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I would have thought, and it seemed like on TV
that he just wanted to get you out of there.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, I mean I wanted to get out, Like I
was like, I'm uncomfortable, like you think I want to
be in this trust right now, Like I was like
I want to lay down, I want to take a nap,
I want to go home, like I'm ready to get
out of here.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So after a moment like that, I'm assuming that you
just probably weren't very surprised when he and Juliana broke
up so shortly after the finale.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I don't know. I mean I wasn't happy to see it,
like I think when we were.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Wanted it, because you know, like they were like each
other's match and all the rest of it. So I
was like sad to see it, not work out because
I was like, he for sure wanted it, So I
was like, well, I want him to be happy, but yeah,
I gotta be honest, like, I don't know who he is,
Like I I thought that I did while it aired,
(29:17):
and then that we've seen, like, you know, a different
persona online and so I think I wanted, you know,
to see him be happy and figure it out, and
he didn't.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So maybe his new social media content is that he
seems very very much interested in finding the one now
and I think that that a lot of people doubted
that desire about a year ago. And I don't really
know if I have a question about that, but just
(29:49):
a statement.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, I mean I don't really see his stuff very often.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I did see.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
The celibacy thing and cheering them on in that regard,
but I really don't know anything else.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Alrighty, Well, have you dated at all since?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah? I've dated a little bit here and there.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
What's a date look like these days? It's been a
long time for me, Like, is it still sucks so bad?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
It sucks so bad, Ashley.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
No, it's they're fine. They're fun.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
There are good guys out there, and I think, like
I have definitely been on dates with good guys and
been on a date with a few duds. That's just
you know, the luck of the draw. That's how it goes.
But nothing to be jealous.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
So okay, so no one out there of note right now?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
There's a few of note I think, Oh okay, there
are until you know, you gotta keep hope. You know,
you gotta stay possible.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Okay, good, okay, great, all right, so there's some guys
that you're still talking to. Oh yeah, okay, great. Have
you been interested or ever DMed with anybody from Brachelination?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I think like friendly exchanges, but I haven't like been
on dates with anyone or like nothing romantic from anyone.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
We thought you hung out with Alex, who is now
with Andrew. I just want to say that they're engaged
because they're so cute and I want them to be engaged.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I love them so much.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I love like, I truly like Alex is like my
little sister like I. We are so different, but we
are like bonded. I like, I don't know why, we
like text all the time, FaceTime every day, Like I
just I love Alex.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And when they came into town. I was like, like,
I really hope I like Andrew and I totally did.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, oh yeah, he's wonderful. They're just the most cute
thing in the entire world. She was one of the
people that I felt like very similarly towards you, like
like I felt about you, but I felt mostly with
that with Alex when she was on Paradise, Like I
loved watching Alex on Paradise.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yes, no, I feel like she really got to shine
on Paradise. I loved watching her on that. I love
watching them and Bailey and Risa and Zoe and Aliciat
like all, Like I just we got so lucky with
the girls on our season, Like I really like, we
got so so lucky. There's we got so many good ones.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Would there have been anybody from Vaccination that you would
have put on your list if you had gone to Paradise?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So That's why I didn't go, because I was just
kind of okay, like who am I going? Like that
was like the conversations that I was having is I
was like, not to be mean, but like, I like,
there's not anyone that I'm like, ooh, like I really hope,
you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, okay, well so you're open to it for the future. Sure, yeah, okay, cool,
Just wasn't a good time?
Speaker 3 (32:58):
All right?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Good? Well, I hope that this cass is full of
cute guys that you would like to date.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
In Paradise the other day. No, they look great.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, some of them are from Utah.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I know. I saw there's actually a few.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, it makes sense. I'm glad that they did that.
But then you could probably just meet those guys whenever
they go home.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
No, I think I have actually a few.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Oh really just before they went to go film.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
No. No, like just from living in Utah for like
forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
It's just small. It's a small Wow, Ashley, you should come.
You have to come out one time.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I've been to Salt like once, and I've been to
which the other place an hour away, the bougie place
Parks Yeah, yeah, park City. Both are so nice. Yep,
I love it. Yeah, so nice. The air is like
crisp there. It just like tastes like fresh.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Is It's like it's cold and it's sharp. No. Yeah,
but it's it's a small, small place.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Do you have any thoughts of these guys that you see.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
There's a lot of cuties. Yeah. No, I'm excited for her.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I think, like I'm excited for her to kind of
like dip her toe in a fresh pool of different people,
kind of like outside of Utah, and I think.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
It'll be good. Like I'm I'm so excited to watch.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So you're saying that you like feel like some of
those faces are familiar on the list, And my producer
and I were just speculating the other day that she
is going to have met some of these guys in
the past because of the small town vibes either.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, I think for sure.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
I think there's no way with how many people are
from Utah in that cast that her path that their
paths haven't crossed before filming.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I could be wrong. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
And like that's on casting to see, you know, how
many mutuals they have and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
So we'll see how good at digging they.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Did, because I think they like everybody to be pretty separate,
you know, like that it's like a pretty fresh thing.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
So I'll be I'll be interested to see if she
knows any of them.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
So you had a really cool ad over the summer
where your teas that you were getting married, but you
were actually walking down the frozen food aisle. Loved it.
It was perfectly teased. It really did make oh quite
many headlines. What are you working on these days? What
does life look like today?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Well?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I got banks, that's new.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Cool curtain banks.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, and I got a house. I love that.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh wow, so great.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Yeah, my life is pretty much the same as when
I loft, which I love. Like I have a good life,
but it's not I don't have a ton of new.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
What are you doing for work? Is it mostly influencing.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Influencing right now?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yep, I'm winding down on venture capital and just staying
open minded to see.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
All right, well, good for you. Any plans for Halloween
before we let you go.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, one of my friends is hosting a night and
we're being Disney princesses.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
So we're dressing up on so cute.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Who are you going to be?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Jasmine?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yay, the best one there is. Yeah, I have been
Jasmine for I can't even tell you how many halloweens.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
No, you're literally you are Jasmine.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I'm pretty sure that you are too, So somehow we
can both be really good Jasmins.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
The Brunette like Olive Complexion, girl Small, She's from.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, well Lytia. It has been such a pleasure talking
to you, and I can't wait to hopefully see you
on our TVs at some other point because you're You're
great and wow. I regardless of how you find it,
I just want you to find love because you are
some wifey material.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I just want to say to you and Ben for
having me on, but also because your podcast was one
of the few podcasts that was a safe space for
me to listen to in terms of recaph, so I
just want to say, like, as like someone that was
on the show, it's I love your takes. I'm sad,
I love I listened to like I still listen to it,
(37:13):
and I love you guys, and I'm so grateful for
you guys.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Latia, thank you. That's so sweet. The fact that you
even listened to a podcast while it was airing is scary.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
It no, it was scary, but I like, consistently every
week it was a safe space and I loved hearing
your guys' opinions because you were always so kind and
like gave me so much grace and everyone so much grace.
So I just like, it's not easy in the reality
TV space to look at people as people, and you
both do such a good job.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
So thank you so much, thank you so much. Ah
all right, well guys, until next time, I've been Ashley
and that has been Latia gar Bye.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on
iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah,
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Ben Higgins
Ashley Iaconetti
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