Cut Off at the Root with Bekah Martinez

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast
with our radio, and we could have been more excited
to be here. I'm telling you what. We're pumped up,
jacked up, ready to talk about everything Bachelor. Ashley. Yeah,
this is getting insane. Some people hate this season, some
people love it. Everybody's on edge. Are you ready to

(00:21):
break this down? Because I am. I'm really into this episode.
It was good for being three hours and me being like, wow,
I gotta tackle three hours now after the super Bowl.
I enjoyed pretty much every minute of it. It's weird.
Just be We're not going to break it down right now.
We're gonna get into it later. We have a special
guest today, Becka Martinez and her co host Jess Ambrose

(00:42):
are coming on the podcast today to talk everything Bachelor
and their podcast. So in a second, welcome then them in.
But before we do, Ashley, I want to just make
a statement and see if you agree or disagree. Okay,
this season has not been bad. I will never categorize
as bad. I like Peter. He is a nice guy.

(01:02):
It wasn't until this episode that I was I feel hooked.
I could have cared less. The first couple weeks to
watch or not. Now I cannot wait till the next
one comes out. Okay, So I guess like I'm less
interested in who he ends up with this season, but
I am always latch John to the drama. Interesting. Well,

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here in a little bit, we have some really passionate
folks in studio today. Our producer Tori has just blown up.
There is gonna us with her passion speech on how
much she hates this season. So we're gonna bring her
on a little bit. You really hate it. I don't
enjoy it. Really. I don't think any girl is like great.
I'm like trying to picture every time once the episode ends,

(01:46):
I'm like, Okay, who would I want to see? Have
be like the next step as like the Bachelorette. I
can't pick one. Okay, so every girl comes with a caveat.
I kind of agree with that. That blogger girl, um
McKenna is. They're giving her a big storyline right now,
just like I'm so sad. I want him to see
how amazing I am. So I'm like, maybe it might

(02:06):
be her because it's very self deprecating, but I just
can't with her. You guys know that, Like I couldn't
stand McKenna for a while. This this episode, maybe be like, Okay, fine,
I like her, you know I well, I don't. Maybe
I don't want to say like like, but I can
watch her now, I can watch her see things the
same way when she goes I want him to see
how great I am. I put my hand in my

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face and I'm like, what are you talking about? Why
are you trying to show him how great you are?
Why don't you just show him who you are and
see if he thinks you're great? Oh? Then you you
were things so beautifully. The most time I really liked
McKenna is when she goes, I'm just so tired, and
I was like, wow, I really relate to that. The
one time I was like, okay, mcganna, we're on the
same page. I liked her this episode because she was

(02:51):
just like I am a hot mess and I'm just
gonna show you guys. But then why can she say
that and not get ripped to pieces about being emotionally
in able? But there's Kelsey being like, I'm so sad anyway,
hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up this thought
pause this thought tory. We're gonna bring you back on
in a few minutes. We talked back to give our

(03:13):
opinions on all the madness, and let me tell you
it is madness. Hey, Ashley, I spent some time in
here a second ago researching how to live on a
tour bus, because in two days I start to move
on to a tour bus for four months. You want
to hear something wild and potty jokes are never fun.
This is not a potty stuff is fun and relatable.

(03:36):
It's never that good, but it's relatable. Did you know
that the number one tip on a tour bus is
that you have to stop the whole bus get out
somewhere in public to go number two? Yes, I did
know this. There's ten people living on my bus. You're
telling me I have to go to the front of
this bus every morning at nine o'clock knock on the
driver's door and say hello, sir. I'm struggling to evacuate

(04:01):
my but I need I need to. I need to
change everybody's life. I need to allow you to sit
and not continue to progress forward on our next location
because I need to take a break, and not just
a break. Now, every single relaxing moment of my mornings
has to be rushed. Why do you guys love their

(04:24):
pooping moments? It's like such a weird thing. So here
I am with Tori, And before we started recording, I
was like, Tori, I don't know if you're with me,
But the last time I had like a girl versus
guy conversation about like pooping time, um, the girl was
on my side and the guy was on Jared's side.
So like, Jared like likes having his like moments right,

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and apparently Ben like also needs like apparently what did
you just call it? What time? Like relaxing time? It's
it's enough time to read two articles on and on,
like my sports interrap. Never read anything on the toilet
because oh, if my body is telling me you gotta go,
I go to the bathroom and it it happens immediately

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and then I'm out of there. That minds me quick.
It's it's not much different of a time between p
and poop. And then I talked to Jade and Tanner
about this. Tanner needs like a full hour in the bathroom.
Jade is like, no, I can just go and get out.
And what the heck is this a girl versus guy thing?
I don't Yeah, maybe listeners, just a good listener question. Listeners,

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please email us at Ben and Ashley. iHeart media dot
com or hashtag guess it's almost from his podcast? What
is this all about? Is this scientific? Is this preference?
Has society moved this in a direction that is unfair
to equal sexes and that neither side should have the
amount of time they have in the bathroom. I don't
know what it is, hey, but here's something else cool.

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But yeah, Okay, I was just gonna say, but Ben, um, yes,
I was aware of the tour bus rules and I'm
sorry you have to go through that. They should definitely
upgrade update tour buses of that like it can hold
a little bit of storage. So yeah, when all you
out there that are listening are seeing me at one
of these sixty six locations, just realized that my life

(06:10):
has been so stressful over the sixty six stops. There's
just a lot going on. Hey, two quick stories before
you started, both kind of revolving around this situation. One
to close up this topic. As I'm looking at Google
on how what the options are for me, uh to
not have to stop the bus, There's something called the
hot old bag, and it's a grocery bag that you
can stick in your toilet, and then you're tied up.

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It's a thing you claim it's not. It's a thing
on tour buses that people do. And then you politely
go up to the front of the bus. You tell
the driver, Hey, can we just stop for one second
as I throw my trash out. That's a good option.
You can look it up. It's called the hot old bag.
Then the driver knows that you have a bag of
poop in your hand. Okay, well, that's gonna still a

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lot of things about me by the time this is done. Um.
Second thing is uh Brandy Cyrus, Yes, the beloved Brandy
Cyrus co host with Wells Adams on their podcast. I
was living at my house last week while I was
in Orlando, Florida. I get a text from Brandy Cyrus
that says, Been, something's leaking in your basement. I was like, well,

(07:15):
doesn't sound good. I'm called the plumber. Plumber comes out,
says Been, your main line has broke at your house.
Everything at this point is going to back back up
into your house. Oh oh yeah, the whole It's real
beautiful downstairs right now. We have gotten it cleaned up.

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But let me tell you team, this is a funny
little thing I put on my Instagram on like Thursday
or no. On Sunday, I am knee deep in my
main line trying to get things cleaned up, cleaning up
everything that's gone the basement. On Monday, I am hosting
g m A and walking a red carpet. If you

(07:57):
think life is funny, that's how real it still is.
It's pretty real, let me tell you. So. Hey. Anyways,
that's my life right now, and I'm getting ready to
hit the road for the Batchel Live on Stage. Please
come see us at one of our sixty six locations.
Go to Batchel Live on Stage dot com for more info. Ashley, Yeah, Oh,

(08:18):
by the way, I'm going to be at the One
Reno making a special guest appearance. You guys, if you care, man,
it just sold out within seconds, I'm telling you right now.
Oh that's so sweet. It's Ben, me, Jess, Jared and
Kaylyn and Dean. We're all spending Valentine's Day together. So
a triple date. How do you feel about that, your
first as a married couple. Well, I don't really care.

(08:39):
That's as a married couple. I think it's like really cool,
it's gonna be really fun. We can do Valentine's Day
like day date anytime, Like we had a nice date
this week, so you can make your Valentine's say any day.
I'm pumped for. We're gonna have a great day. Chef's
coming into the house in to that, we're staying at
word of a Blast. That's what we do for you listeners,
because we host this podcast. We into our Valentine's Day

(09:01):
together with friends and we're pumped about it. Hey, Ashley
Becka Martinez has been is rolling up in the studio soon,
So let's get through some of these hot Bachelor trending
news stories. But before you do, let's take one break
talk about some of our favorite people that support the podcast,
and we'll come back with the Batchel training news. Actually

(09:28):
I'll let you take it from here, but I do
want to say this first story makes me very sad.
Oh it's so sad. We love Joe and Kendall. I
love hanging out with them together. Joe is such a
cool guy. Like Jared just was able to relate to
the fact that he could like he hated l A
and that all he wanted to do was be back east,
I mean Chicago, you know what I mean, the other

(09:52):
side of the country. So Joe and Kendall broke up,
and I don't I don't know if it's been clear,
but pretty sure the main reason for the breakup was
that she never felt like she was going to want
to leave l A. She was born and raised here,
and her family is all still here. Her identical twin
sister lives here and they are unbelievably close, and so

(10:16):
she didn't want to move. And then Joe was just
so unhappy here that he couldn't. He didn't want to
spend much longer here, let alone the rest of his life.
So this is one of those reasons. This is this
is one of those distance truly or not distance, but
like location really broke up the relationship from the information
that I got. I mean, I get it. I've been
in it before, Like I've had past relationships that one

(10:38):
person wants to live somewhere else and you can't figure
it out neither side is necessarily like compromising, and when
you do tier compromise, it doesn't feel any better. That's tough. Um.
But we love Joe and Kendall and UH wish him
both individually the best as they moved forward. I really
do feel like they'll remain good friends because you know,

(10:59):
it was a distance or it was a location thing. Um.
So our next piece of news is that Jordan Kimball.
You guys remember Kimball. You know, the male model is
following jared footsteps, will be following in Jared's footsteps, and
and it will be one of Chippendale's newest celebrity guest host.
Jared did this last year. It was only one show.

(11:21):
I'm not sure Jordan's doing much more, but you guys,
Jordan's or not. If you are in since city, go
see Chippendale's because it is a hilariously entertaining show. We
were there with Jay Tanner, Nick Um and our agent
and the guys had so much fun. So it's it's

(11:42):
kind of just like a parody and it's a very
enjoyable show. Jordan's will probably make it better if you're
a Bachelor fan, So check them out. Hey, really really
big article that came out about Ben Higgins. Yes, it
says who really gets up? Hannah Brown with from Batchelor Nation.
This is from cheat Sheet. This is a funny, funny

(12:04):
article to read because they had a nowhere go, Hey,
who should hand a Brown date from Batchel Nation? So
I started going through all the single people. There isn't
a lot of single men in Bachelor Nation right now
that like would even be able to, you know, stand
up with Hannah Brown. But I said Sean Booth, I
think Nick Vile obviously would be somebody. You don't think

(12:26):
Nick's down to date Hannah? Why not? He has a
little he doesn't he doesn't want to dat or I'll
tell you that he doesn't want to date. Well, I
don't know if Sean Booth does either. And that's the
thing is like, and I said, there, I haven't talked
to Sean about this. I was just in an interview.
They threw it at me. I started just spouting out names.

(12:48):
I was just with Derek Path and Wells the night before.
I was like this, you know Derek, he was on
our live podcast. People seem to love him. Maybe him,
but other than that, actually, was there anybody I am missed? No,
Derek definitely is probably the best single option. I like
the idea of Sean, but again, long distance is relationship there.

(13:10):
I don't know about how that's going to really form
And if you guys want to listen, if you guys think,
if you want to know more about you know, Nick's
feeling swords Hannah, you can listen to his podcast. He
hasn't like said like if there's not like dirt or anything.
But I just don't think that they'd be compatible, and
I don't think that he's interested. So Derek Paith is
obviously out there. He's a good one. I didn't you're
saying I didn't miss anybody, right, Um, I think I

(13:34):
think thinking like all the guys are kind of taken
h yeah, not wild. Wow, we're all getting so old.
There so much love going around people are you know,
people are going to be like, I can't believe you
guys didn't comp with so and so. I know, Well
that's good. Let us know, why don't you she can
She should go back to Mike Johnson. Give that a whirl. Yeah,
you can try that out. M see how that goes. Hey. Also,

(13:57):
there's a picture of Peter's mom's that is blowing up
the airways. His mom is saying, bring her back, bring
her back. Who could this possibly be Ashley? Early in
the season, we thought this was Hannah. By right, I'm
thinking that Hannah By does not show up again. Um,
this is referencing some other women, and I still feel like,

(14:21):
if it's not Hannah, it's Maddie. And I think that's
what I said week one, gonna stick to it, You're
gonna stick to it. Well, hey, it is fun to
see how much involvement, Uh, you know, Peter's family has
had so far this season. I always loved to see
the family side of things because I think it brings
a reality and it makes us feel more involved in
the whole story. His His parents obviously don't mind it either.

(14:44):
They've gone on podcasts and they've willingly go on the show,
and they'd go on podcast Oh what podcasts they did?
They did podcast Warner Brothers, the Happy Hour podcast. So
like they obviously enjoying this, but so did my parents.
They were involved in the whole process and it made
it better for me. I think Peter's mom is passionately
passionately still speaking about Hannah Brown, she's passionately, I still

(15:09):
think so. I think I think that you're just trying
to make this a good story. Actually, actually it's not
what I'm doing at all. I really think Hannah Brown
comes back. I will stick to it until we watch
this thing. I really I just get a sense based
on press, based on interviews, based on what we've talked

(15:31):
to people about. I get a sense that this season,
even though it feels dramatic, now gets even more dramatic later.
I think it's a happy ending. I think there's love,
but I think it gets really really dramatic, all right,
And I can only I can only think that Hannah
Brown would add that drama. I don't know how these
women get any more dramatic than they already are. Well,

(15:54):
they're doing a pretty good job on their own. I
think they're doing it fantastic. Ben. Um, you know we
are next guests. You've had a little drama with I think,
or she's a little drama with with you. So Becca Martinez,
little Becca or young Becca from ARI season, we'll be
on with us next to break down the episode. I
love that she's here. I love how blatantly honest and

(16:16):
real and raw she is. She's always been one of
my favorites, but apparently has had some beef with my
co host, So you guys can address that when she
comes on. We're going to take a break and then Um,
welcome Becca and her podcast co host Jess into the
studio Becka Martinez and Jess amber Cerain Studio. We're gonna

(16:45):
break down the Badgelor, but also talk about Chatty Broad's,
their new podcast that is taking over. Okay, before we
get started, Becca, We've we've got to talk about the
elephant in the room. Um, you've never been a fan
of me, and I want to know why that's not
even that's not even true. The one that I said

(17:09):
I never liked was Nick, and then I changed my
mind and I never didn't like you. Then then why
do I feel like there's always been tension? We've got
to talk this about because tension, tension there is Well,
this is the Bachelor focused podcast. Drama just changes to
suck us back in. Okay, okay, okay, wait, okay wait.
Jess and I always make fun of you because you're

(17:31):
on every season of the Bachelor we have, we make
we make fun of you that because we're like this.
Jess calls you Chris Harrison's love child. I have Chris
Harrison's and that's why we think you're always That's why
we think you're always on the show. And we give
you about that, but that's the only I give like
what I haven't been on a season of The Bachelor
in like years actually, like Colton season, you had two

(17:57):
appearances and they cut one, or that you have like
a three appearance is cut one Paradise. No, he didn't
do no. I mean he went to the wedding though,
skit was last year, a year and a half ago
to the wedding, but here it was. It was the
live shows, some of the like after the final rows things.

(18:17):
You know, that's a good point. I didn't think about that,
but just you know what muched him. And it's fine.
We all know why they are because he is the
perfect representation of bachelor. You're the last kind of bachelor,
uh that we had, like Peter before Peter, absolutely Peter
the true bachelor stereotype. Yeah, when they found Peter, they

(18:41):
were like, this is our bend second coming geez, until
he just stuck a glass in his face and they're like,
you ruined it all that goofy? Why else do I
hate you? He's going with production too much. I'm gonna
say it. I just have always felt I don't know
what it is. I've always felt, uh like maybe just

(19:02):
nervous around you or like that you didn't like me
based on Twitter or response to things, and I just
felt like we were always miscommunicating, which is why I
wanted to come on here and squash it right away
and say Becca, I respect you, I appreciate you. I
think you're a great mother, and I'm glad you're here,
and I hope we can get over this so we
can have a blast and talk about everything that's meaningful

(19:24):
in life, which is the Bachelor. Oh Ben, I'm so
down for it. There's no beef here, but I'm going
to keep making fun of you if you keep coming
on the back game. Let's do food on the table kids.
I get it, I get it. Let's introduce JUSTS and Jess.
How did you guys get together for a podcast which
doesn't just talk about the Bachelor? Right? You talked about Well,

(19:45):
it started like don't you hate Ben Higgins too? That's
how it started. Yeah, exactly, Well, we could do this work.
We have this in common. Um, it was just kind
of a random thing because we actually didn't really know
each other very well at all. Um, we each other
a few mutual friends and we were virtually acquaintances, and
then we just both had the idea, like I want

(20:05):
to do a podcast, you want to do a podcast.
We have good conversation, and she got pregnant and I
have a little one, and she's like literally one of
the only people I knew in Los Angeles that was
in a similar age range to me. I'm still quite
a bit older, but I'm like, oh, hi, you're not
forty with a child, Like, let's talk, you know. And
then it just kind of came from there. Yeah, and

(20:27):
she has her husband is in music industry, so they
had like a recording studio in their backyard, so it
was like, let's show up and let's just talk and
record it and see who happens. And then fourteen months later,
about months there ago. Jaffer always a Bachelor fan. I
missed some seasons, but I started young. I started watching

(20:48):
with my mom first season. Okay, so yeah, of course
you missed a few seasons. I missed a few here
and the boys distracted me the real life, you know,
he distract me. But back in business, all right, So
I want to go just a logically through the episode.
You guys watch alright, three hours, but I said it
was a speedy three hours. It was a trauma to

(21:08):
I was at a junior high girls lunch table throughout
the whole episode. It was like, I mean, these girls
are these girls are like Caddie like I've never seen. Yeah,
they feel they start crap over things that I feel
like that that are ongoing crap over nothing. Yeah. Is

(21:28):
it just me? Or is I feel like this is
the first in seasons that I've seen this kind of
drama between the women, Like it's always something I don't know.
It feels exhausting to me. It feels like I I
thinking about this this morning as I was prepping my
notes here, and like, you have this Peter who is

(21:49):
laughing and like happy, and he feels like I'm so
excited to be there, and He's dancing around. He just
wants to have fun. And it feels like as soon
as he starts to smile, it's like sends up like
the radar for anybody to run out and be like, hey, Peter,
let me ruin that a little bit, like let me
just take you down a notch, let me make this
hard for you. And that's how I feel. Every episode
has been this poor man's age like twelve years and

(22:11):
three weeks. He's like, can I just say he's probably
the most producible bachelor. He's so yeah, I guess you
know what a bachelor. I think he's such a good bachelor.
I think he is too, but he's so naive. He
is in the sense that he keeps saying like, you

(22:32):
guys know, I believe this works more than anyone. And
I'm like, man, you and your mom are like the
most hardcore Bachelor fans. We believe sweetie Pete is just
like genuine and he's the most luminous. He was like
human I've ever met, but completely naive. There's this moment
where he really shows his naivete in this episode, but
we'll talk about when we get there. So let's let's

(22:52):
start off with a la drama. So you know, well,
I thought last week he guaranteed Ala was going to
stick around for another week with that Rose. Apparently that
Rose camped around for like twelve hours. I did not caring.
No one is safe with the Rose. Apparently nobody is
saying that was crazy to me. Rose ever been taken

(23:14):
back before in our memories. I can't remember when, but
I do think it points Like you say, we can
say all those things about Peter, and I think Peter
is going to do great. I would just continue to
reassure him, like, this is gonna be great for you, man,
all this is gonna end. Well, it's gonna hurt for
a while, but like you're gonna end on a high
note here. I think what it points to is he's

(23:36):
so confused and he just wanted to He thought it
was going to be a good decision. Then it becomes
a bad decision. Then he has to take it back
and now he's lost again. And I think we're what
we're seeing is we can watch it from TV and
go I'm following the storyline. I don't think Peter is
following anything right now. And I think he thought he
was going to squash the drama by getting her off

(23:58):
again and then nope, there's still or there's a thing.
I don't know if I said this on the podcast
last week, but he definitely thinks micro not macro. He's like,
what is going to be like good for me and
her in this moment, without thinking about how it's going
to work out for everyone and like the bigger like
when he takes the girls aside and like asks them
or when he oh it's later in the episode, but

(24:20):
when he brought up to Kelsey like, yeah, so some
girls said you were mentally unstable. Just wanted to check
in on that. Why would you, like, you have no
idea the drama you're bringing upon yourself when you're doing this, man, Like,
nobody's going to get defensive when somebody calls you crazy crazy,
press off, no problem if you were an alcoholic and

(24:41):
mentally unstable. Big just wanted to check with you on
that and your perspective. For I think he really doesn't
know what he's doing when he like communicates with the
women sometimes Yeah I feel okay, so but yeah Lah,
so he lets orgo and I think for her, I

(25:01):
felt bad for her too. I mean, but she was
taking her beating. Man. It was it was And we
talked about this on our podcast that we're not a
Leah fans, but we think that, I mean, none of
it was valid except that they personally didn't like her absolutely,
So that's what I keep saying. She definitely wouldn't be
friends with Becca and I in the house, not our
cup of tea. But the thing is, she never really

(25:23):
did anything. It was all hearsay and it was all
just vibe. It was like vibes and it was all
personal Sydney, which we see again Sydney. Sydney is a
good carniver. You know why because she um, she hasn't
done anything wrong. And yet I'm still very worried about her,

(25:43):
Like I'm worried I would not she would worry me
in the house, like she was going to try to
get me into something without implicating. Yeah, exactly when I
opened around Sydney. Truly, even here as a host in
this podcast, I don't know what to say to her.
I don't know what to say. Is like worrying me

(26:04):
about her because I'm a little afraid that I'll get
myself in trouble because I have nothing to go off well,
because she goes, because she goes on the attack, and
when she goes on the attack, she doesn't back down.
She is like, yeah, I don't know. They found the
right word to use, the one word that's like not
super offensive. But yet we can look at it a
couple different ways as mysterious. And then he tells he

(26:28):
calls her mysterious and she goes. I get told that
all the time. I know, I think I'm so mysterious too, right,
Like just just shake it up a bit. Okay, here,
let's organize your thoughts a little bit. We've got to
walk through this episode one one time because we have
to make a story at the end. And I have

(26:49):
a question for all of you. Actually included that I
think I've unlocked the key to trying to figure out
how Peter gets better here and what happens um we
see le go home, Peter Cracks's head open, the girls
are are fighting, Sydney goes on on on one on
one day, and then we're back in the house. Kelsey
is venting the Tammy and this really sets the tone

(27:11):
for the rest of the episode. This scene here is
really the way that this rest kind of the rest
of the episode of shakes out from. When you see this,
I know that you all have your opinions. I'm gonna
let you take it over. Actually, I know you're you're
saying that she's not crazy, she's not drunk, she has
nothing to be ashamed of here. How do you know
about to say that he apparently knows me too well

(27:36):
and my interpretations of people in the episode. Okay, well
you know what I was just about to say that,
So obviously I'm on Kelsey's side. Here, I was the
crier in the house, the very emotional person in the house,
and I couldn't stand being emotion shamed, and she is
like being emotion shamed like no other. Like I can't
believe that she's crying, like really minding her own business.

(27:58):
And yeah, sure, maybe she had too much drink, but like,
is that also a crime in the house or anywhere? No,
So then like Tammy makes it like she has a problem,
one a drinking problem. And then there's like the whole
pill popping problem. Oh my god, what she she's seen
at night taking her like nightly birth control and like she's,

(28:20):
oh my god, that's so horrible. But then, um, but
like why would Tammy. Tammy really thinks this is a
red flag that she needs to bring up, Peter because
she's overly emotional, are you kid? Here's the other issue,
this is the almost the bigger issue that I have
with it. One, she doesn't own up up to it
when Kelsey says who said something? And she just sits

(28:41):
there minding her own business, like not owning up to it.
And secondly, when Kelsey finally confronts her about it, like
did you talk about me? She says she turns around says,
I'm concerned about you. That is such. She says, I'm
concerned about you, but then later says Mike Concer scerns
about you are infringing on my relationship with people. Both

(29:04):
of those is trash. I'm not giving my heart and
headspace enough to Peter. I'm giving it to you. I
was like, mother Ef, So yeah, I don't think I've
ever seen you so impassionate. And the thing is we're
emotional emotional. Most shaming shaming is where Ashley gets passionate.

(29:26):
I'm saying, it's just really, this is the thing I
have with the girls these seasons. This season, they just
keep bringing up stuff that's not just shut your mouth.
It's they're making it just personal, like you don't like someone,
So I'm going to go tell Peter that they're a
bad person because of this reason, this reason, Annister like,
I just stay away from them in the house. You

(29:47):
don't need to be their best friends. Just like. What
also bothers me is they keep we we talked about that,
we were texting about this last night. They keep saying
Peter's not respecting us, or we don't trust Peter. They
are not respecting Peter because they did not respect his
judgment with a Leah first of all, which I always
think trust the person's judgment that they're going to figure

(30:07):
out about this person's character. I said, Okay, of course
we say that, and that tattling is always a bad
look show. But for Peter not to make like that
decision to take it on for himself that early on
in the season, right weird to me? Yes. Well, then
when he turned it around and said, like when he
actually gave the rose back to her, like, I understand

(30:27):
how they were pissed because all of them wanted her gone,
but I was also like what he was asserting was
I'm not going to be swayed by petty drama and
this is what I want and this is what my
heart wants. And I thought that that was actually admirable
of him. I don't think he should have sent her
home in the first place if he didn't want to,
but like I thought, it was even more wishy washy
than when he sent her home after and then like

(30:48):
I don't know, and then and then they're also now
still tattling about Kelsey, about her being emotionally unstable all this,
I'm like, I'm sure he'll figure it out on his own.
Why is her crying affecting them? It? It's not, and
they can't keep to themselves about other people's business. Ben
the thing when all of you there in the room

(31:10):
are in committed relationships and if you're not currently then
you've been through them. I don't know about you, but
there's one thing that happened to me this week where
I was watching it and I was trying to mirror
into my own life. And I have a girlfriend now
who it's a very healthy relationship, and I've never heard

(31:31):
her intentionally like bring down somebody else that's not in
the room. Like if she has a problem, she'll confront
that person and say, hey, I don't understand where you're
coming from, Like you don't make sense to me right now,
like I want to understand this better. But she would
never come to me as her partner and be like
that girl is crazy, she's a drawn from her, stay
away from her. She would never murder somebody's name like that,

(31:55):
And if she did, it would be a red flag
for me because I know that's not making me a
better person and making me love people anymore. While So
my point here is if Peter has all these women
coming to him all the time, bad mouthing somebody else
in the house, at some point he has to look
around and go, there is not like a woman here
who could be totally okay. Well then, Ben, did any

(32:15):
women come to you on your time as the Bachelor
talking about talking about another woman and you actually appreciated it? Honestly?
I know I'm gonna get this wrong, and one of
the super fans out there will probably tell me my
life more than I remember it. I can't remember. I
don't think so there there really was never. I mean,

(32:38):
the one villain on my season was Olivia. But Olivia
wasn't like a villain. She wasn't mean to be. She
wasn't a bad person. One of the girls, I know,
one of the twins came to me at some point
and said, hey, like Olivia like hurt me. And I
remember her crying. But it was a big moment. That
was maybe the only time it wasn't Olivia sucks, it's hey,
Olivia hurt me, which is different, Like I'm in paying

(33:00):
I need to talk about it with somebody um outside
of the girls, and I get that, Like that's fine.
She was confiding in me, but I don't remember that,
or I was thinking, like Hannah season with Luke, I
think some of the guys came forward to her saying that,
like Luke is lying about this and that, and like
if I was the lead and someone said like, hey,
this person is telling you this and they're directly lying
and saying something completely different with us, I would want

(33:22):
to know about that. But just being like we don't
like her and we think she's fake, or we think
that she's emotional, it'd be like, stop wasting my time. Yeah,
if you find out that, like someone has a boyfriend, like,
please let me know. But if you're like, she bothers
me because like she wears too much perfume in her
voice is too high, Like, don't talk to me about it.
I just want to go about my way and choose.
I'm going to choose. Well, he is kind of indulging

(33:42):
in it too, which is a little bit part of it.
I know that I'm critical here because I've definitely calm
to people on the show. I've been like I don't
like her. I don't know, I don't know how you
like her. Why did you do that? Actually? Because I
get you. Yeah, but um, well, I think there are

(34:03):
different circumstances. Um. I think that it was more I
don't do I have to get into the past now,
how I want to know your thought process? Um it
was I guess it was kind of like what Kelly
was saying, or it was like, how can you like
me and also like her at the same time when
we're completely Kelly said that on her one on one

(34:24):
about who she like, brought hannah An out as an example,
but she was like, don't make it a big deal.
She don't make it's just like like like a different place. Yeah,
So I think it was more like that. It was like,
how can you get along with something like that and
then also get along with me? And and me also
saying he's like because she's tall. I don't know, because

(34:45):
there's like the fake thing, and I'm like, I'm all
about like calling people out from being fake too, and
because that's because I think they're not being genuine in
the in the circumstance that is the Bachelor. I say,
waited out though, like there's thirteen girls he's gonna start cutting. Really,
I do think this is too early to be doing all.
It's like once you get into the top like six
or seven or that kind of thing, and then you're

(35:06):
like seeing this their relationship really deepen and maybe if
there's some serious red flags. There's so much to say
about this episode, well hey we do. We have to
move forward into the group date. The girls are doing
a photo shoot with Peter for cosin Paul and I'll
start this conversation now by saying, there's never been a
date more awkward in my opinion than this one here
and I'll let you take it from there. Horrible. We
are going to revisit Kelsey though, right, We're definitely gonna

(35:29):
be too much. So yeah, there's um it's a weird date.
The Cosmo day is definitely like I would be, oh girl.
I like how Cosmo is trying to rebrand too. They're
like We're all about empowering women, like that's our mission.
I'm like, really, because I think it's just like seventeen
ways to suck as you know what. I will say, No,

(35:50):
Cosmos different, and yes, I do right for Cosmos, so
I know I have to. I do have to defend
them though, because I feel like Cosmo has changed a
lot over the past couple of years. Here to the
fact that I even like, I'm like, where are those
sex tips? Like, I'm like I need them now? Where
are they for them? I know? And now I can't
find them? And now it's all about like doing great

(36:11):
in your career and moving ahead and beating the boys.
I'm like darting. I'm like, I'm like, I need the
other stuff as well, please, but I have questions. Okay,
so yeah, they take pictures. Um, It's just it's I
felt like this day was much stubb substance to it,
Like there's not much to talk about except for the
fact that it was. No one made a big deal

(36:32):
about Victoria kissing him, which with us, I was going
to say, we have to stick on this. Yes, I'm
with you. I feel like I feel like this date
was very on brand to the dynamic that's been going on.
Let's make it a competition about what girl gets to
be on the cover of Cosmopolitan. That's vicious. That's the
only group date competition I've ever truly wanted to win.
I don't care if it's football or like, you don't

(36:56):
want revolved clothing. Actually that was a good one, Really wasn't.
But yeah, here's the thing though, I had one rule
really like I did a lot of things wrong during
my time in the batchelor. I do tell anybody, this
is a good rule to keep if you're gonna be
the lead. At one rule that I stuck to, don't
kiss any of the other contestants in front of the
other contestants. Ever. That's what I'm saying, no matter what

(37:18):
the scenario, never do that, That's what I'm saying. He's
like oblivious to the drama that he's inciting between the women.
It's really not aware of it. And he was kissing
the favorites, so like, of course it's going to spark
issues like I don't know how you do that, which
it surprisingly didn't that we didn't. It didn't. I think
he's just been doing it so often they're like, oh,

(37:38):
this is part of the competition, I guess. So normally
it would be like, oh, I am accidentally walked by
that room while they were having their one on one
time and they were kissing. But nothing like on a podium,
like except for like you know, Karen and Nick that
kind of thing. But that was like sort of on brand. Yeah,
So later at the cocktail um hour, I love Natasha.

(38:00):
Natasha because you kill it. She's just so funny because
she's always she's always just basically like f Peter. I
think any time her and Peter have had a conversation,
it's her confronting him. I don't think it's a preparting conversation,
not involving a confrontation talking about like talking about other

(38:21):
people during your time. But sometimes you have to just
say sometimes like you don't know what the heck else
to talk about because you don't have any friends outside
of this thing. You'd have no commonalities like in front
of you. You're not like on a regular date where
you can be like this beer is good. Um, Like

(38:43):
have you watched that show like on the TV, Like
there's a whole bunch of things that don't come up
naturally and every you know how You're like, I know
this is random, but like on the show, everything is random.
Every conversation you just like context out of air. That's
so interesting. I haven't thought about that. Yeah, oh, I've
fully spill all the team in Sure there's somebody we

(39:04):
can talk about that we both know. I would almost
keep her around too, just for accountability. I almost feel
like at this point, he's like, I don't think you
like me that much. For whatever reason, you've stuck around, Like,
I'm gonna keep you here because it keeps me a
better person for you if you stick around a little while.
So like, let's make it work. At this good day,

(39:26):
Kelsey says that she's falling in love with him and
Hannah Ann gets the group date Rose he really feels
like she's been giving. It's so funny because we couldn't
stand to Hannah and at beginning this is fine. Now
she's pretty much the only one that I have neutral
to positive feelings about. I would say my most neutral feelings. Yes, yes,

(39:46):
that's a really really don't just bypass that thought. We
will for the stake of this podcast for time, but
just mark that in your history of your life and
remember that as the season goes on that at one
point you said the only one I'm can see am
I appreciate seriously? All Right, So then there's more Kelsey stuff,

(40:08):
but we will that's where like the hell kelsey emotional
unstability comes in, but we'll we'll address that when she
goes to have her one on one time and he
earlier in the episode, So the next date is Kelly's day,
and I again love Kelly because she is like so
to me real, she's just not going to giggle at

(40:29):
things that aren't funny. She's also not that into him.
She's not that she was when they first met, that's
for sure. I think that's why she's been kind of
like spiraling, Like when she got the one on one day,
she's like, oh shoot, like oh yeah, so awkward. Even
when he asked her to accept the rose, I feel
like she would have been okay if he said, I'm
actually not going to give it to you. She's over it.
I think she's been like all these girls are fighting

(40:51):
over this guy, and she's like, yeah, he's cute and
he's very very sweet. But I and I think that
Peter is a smart guy and he's a great conversationalist.
And I'm not saying anything about his intelligence whatsoever, um,
but I think that he she probably just wants somebody
who will be like a little bit more cerebral. Well,
and he's naive, like you said, like she's not. Yeah,
like she wants to talk about law and politics and

(41:13):
stuff like that, and I don't know if that's what
he may want to talk about that. But in demonstration
of like how he is, and when he talks about
with the other girls, it doesn't like it doesn't come
across to her, probably like he does, because his conversations
with the other girls are so classic Bachelor. From what
we're seeing, it's like, I'm feeling great about us? Are
you feeling good about us? Oh? That's awesome. I really

(41:33):
like the way that like we're doing and like you're
showing me like a beautiful heart and soul. And that's
why I loved watching their day because it was like, oh,
this is an actual conversation. We are like going back
and forth about our opinions. I feel like, sorry, go ahead. Then,
well I was just gonna say, let's too, but as
you search a ship, I thought, here, I want to

(41:53):
just preface this with with understanding where Kelly's coming from. Yes,
I don't love the fact that she told him she's
how mature she is. Well you all listening. Yes, that
drove me up the wall and it was my first
thing that really made me angry. But I also get
where she's coming from because we just kind of skipped
over it, which was good that we did, but we
have to bring it back. Now that we're talking about this,

(42:14):
there's a context here where Tammy and everybody's arguing right,
and these girls are watching this. Some girls are giggling,
Some girls like pull out their popcorn and are watching.
Other girls are like witnessing from afar. This gets wild
fast as Kelly sits there within it as somebody probably
is a little more mature, is pretty smart, like really smart,
and it's going, this is crazy. I don't fit in here. Yeah, yeah,

(42:38):
she definitely doesn't fit in there not And I get
where she's coming from when she does bring up like,
I'm not I don't see myself being like any of
these other girls, so like, do we have a future together?
What you want? And maybe it's problematic if someone says
that they're more mature if they're not, But she seems
so clearly more mature, like you're saying, demonstrate thing that

(43:00):
she's never getting involved in any of the drama. We
haven't seen her involved in any of it yet, and
I'm sure she feels like on an overwhelmed basis more mature.
I mean I would never today. I would also feel
I don't know, I hope I haven't said that about myself.
I would feel uncomfortable saying about that myself like, I'm
very mature for my age. But that's why. That's why

(43:21):
when I say that I'm as you were the one,
isn't it crazy being attacked for it? So that's different.
Isn't it crazy how at twenty three you were you
were the young one. Now it's like the average age
I know. And it's also that's the thing. So I'm
sitting here watching it and I'm like, oh, I feel
so mature for my and this is just such. It's

(43:43):
just all dumb. It's just all dumb. It just sucks.
They do so many of them suck this season. I'm sorry,
Like they really screwed Overpeat with this grapp of women.
I really think. So they're really pretty. I mean that's
what every time, like somebody says that, like I get
the response it's like, they're really pretty. That's what I
get from guys. But I'm finding myself so much less

(44:05):
like attracted to that. I thought that they were so
physically attractive, and I'm finding them so much less physically attractive.
As I'm watching this stuff play out, I can understand
they don't find them as pretty as I did at
the beginning, and understand and Colton had a lot of
young women, but it wasn't the same kind of drama
or the level of it, or the pettiness we've talked
about many times on the podcast. Just how as we
get to know the contestants at first, everybody's beautiful, Um,

(44:29):
I want you to know how more their stories start
to show when you start to have your favorites. Here's
the thing, and we'll get into it in a second.
Uh right now, Favorites are a plenty on this season.
We come back, we're gonna summarize the ending of the
episode that's definitely wild and crazy. We're also going to
talk favorites. I have a question for these three that

(44:50):
I think might help us understand Peter a little bit better.
But let's take a break and come back. Okay, So
here's the scenario. Everything's chaos, riots are ensuing, Peter's confused.

(45:13):
Cars are being flipped, and glasses are being slammed into
our faces. And now we get to this point in
the episode where Kelly's one on one happens and it
goes well. We like Kelly, we don't know if there's
anything there for them, And we get back to the end.
Kelsey sneaks over to the house. They have a really
good conversation. I'm just gonna summarize this quickly. They have

(45:33):
a great conversation. I felt like she was open and
honest with him, which is what you want in a relationship.
He responded, well, they have a great time, but it
brings about drama that we need to talk about. So,
and this is where my question for you three come in,
and I'm gonna let you loose here. So we know
that chaos has happened this season. We know there's a
lot of little fire starters that are talking about everybody else.

(45:57):
So what you would think to do as the lead
would be to cut off the dry mama at the
root totally. So are you referring to roses? Is that
a great like a little like that? Here's my question
for you, not intended. Where do you cut off the
drama this season? If you're Peter and everything's chaos around you,

(46:19):
no wonder he cancels the cocktail party because he can't
probably take any more of it. Where do you cut
off the drama? It's unclear to me. I want to
hear from you. I think it's in his position. I
don't think it'd be clear to him. But me watching
I know exactly who where are we going to say him?
He's the one that starts at all, just remove your season.

(46:40):
Look in that conversation, he was the one that started
up the drama by being producible and naive by extending
Kelsey the rose in that moment, not seeing that by
doing so that was going to create far more drama

(47:02):
than if he were to just hold back and give
her the rose a couple of hours later. Because sure
he may have been thinking that moment, Oh, what a
relief she's going to be able to go into tonight.
Just chill, relax. It's a great feeling. It is a
great feeling going into a rose ceremony with a rose.
I never did. It seems like a great feeling. Um,
But she would have been for when she came back

(47:24):
to that. She's just holding it like it's like she
would have been far more relaxed if she didn't have
to come back, and she could have had with the
sense of their their conversation meant that she was through
to another week and she wouldn't have to explain to
the other girls that she got a rose early because
she went over there. She was rewarded going over there.
It's very true. It's true. Actually, it's quite a good point.

(47:46):
I see that I'm seeing a little trio of a
little of little Catty Catty junior high girl kind of
trio going on, and it's looking like Victoria pe City
and Victoria F. Wow. Not sure if I put Victoria there.
I want to hear your thought I want to hear
your thoughts. This is why I think Victoria F is

(48:06):
a huge red flag because virtually every time they have
a conversation, I actually so, you know when they had
a one on one talk this time and she was like,
you forgot my birthday. I thought she was going to
do the thing she does every time where she runs
into the corner says that she's going to live until
he begs her to say and says they have a connection.
I I half expected her to do that. Every single time.
It's always this thing of like, but I'm ruining this

(48:29):
for you, or like but I can't do this, and
then oh wait, actually I'm amazing. Like that's how she
during the photos. Yes, two weeks ago, she couldn't get
on stage during the like you know, she's so nervous
and so shy, and she's like she's sports illustration. She's
on a Cosmo cover now, yes, and with the heights thing,

(48:50):
and then she how she blew the in my opinion,
blew the chase things so out of proportionate. She just
always seems like a little bit like playing this manipulative
game where it's like I'm gonna and then he's like, no, don't.
She's like, okay, that would get me to the right now.
I think it works. It would work. Oh, I would
be all about. I'd be like, no, please stay girl,

(49:13):
do whatever you need for a tame to see. I
think it totally would work. But I just did that
thing you just did when you're like, I'm not good
at this and you threw your arms up there a
second ago. I'm good at I've never found Beckham. I'm overcoming,
And that's kind of like her thing. And then Victoria Pete,

(49:33):
I mean, he's not addressing how she I don't know. No,
I don't trust Victoria. First of all, there's the Alia thing.
Second um in this situation. Now, Victoria Pete is now
admittedly the one who brought up the pill popping, and
for some reason she's able to cross her arms and
be like, well, I admitted it, So now I don't
take any fault and everyone just let's appreciate that about her.

(49:57):
And then of course Sidney is just always like on
the attack, super like aggressive in people's faces, like she
is like yelling at people's faces. And when she confirmed,
when she decides to tell Tammy like I would never
consider talking about other girls to Peter, and it's like,
where were you, like three days ago, what were you doing?

(50:17):
And so Tammy said that back to her, he was
the starter she started. There's a lot of amnesia happening
in this season. It's like, I remember, like last week
Peter said, Kelsey was like so drama free and low key,
and we're like, Peter, do you remember champagne Gate? This
happened like that was really I still think it's really
weird that he has it. So it's it's a tense
relationship with Kelsey, but like doesn't remember how like apparently

(50:40):
she was a bully a couple of weeks ago, and
he was so disturbed by the bully occusation. I still
can't get over this. So then Tammy throws it back
at Sydney and it was like you started the alaa stuff.
And then and then um, Sydney just totally deflects and
she's like, this is crazy, crazy crazy, she is nuts,
this is crazy. But it's like, whoa, Okay. I thought

(51:02):
that they were going to make it like I thought
they were going to actually show no support for Kelsey
this this episode. I thought like all the girls were
going to be like against Kelsey, and I was because
they had talked a bunch of crap on her behind
her back before. But I was so relieved to see
them turn on Tammy because Tammy really was the root
of this problem. Just seven though drama, Like we're talking

(51:27):
about drama. Kelsey last week was the least dramatic, but
like because she doesn't because the environment you're living in,
Like if everybody's dramatic and you just say a few
things that cause a fight, right now, you're looking pretty good,
Like this is a pretty easy season to make it
to the end. Look at Maddie made a word, same

(51:48):
was Hannah and Hannah Ann has been really good too.
And then then Kelly is the other one who hasn't
really touched anything. Kelly's like, has her bagpack, She's ready
to dip in any second. She's like, I'm out, Yes,
we didn't hear from you. I really want to know
who you would cut off the route. I mean Sam
as Becca. To me, it's Victoria Pe and Sydney for
sure right now, because are that she's not going to

(52:08):
see the Sydney thing for I don't think he's ever.
I don't like he's going to the Sydney thing. Like
I said, she makes me very nervous. She makes me
scares me a little bit too, But she's the girl
that scares you, and you still you're like, I don't
think I'm going to go after her because I think
she's going to win the argument, even though I don't
know how she's going to win the argument. She's going
to It's Sydney, but it's Sydney. I would love to

(52:28):
see that. I would love to But Sydney and Victoria
Pe are the two to me that I'm just like,
baffled every episode who caused drama and somehow get away
with everything. And the thing with Kelsey, which I appreciate
is though yes there is is drama, everyone in the
house seems to like her because they forget about the
drama quickly. She just hasn't done anything to anyone else,

(52:49):
right The only time she talked crap was with Hannah
Ann and the whole champagne bottle, which you know that
was a little bit of an exaggeration, but whatever. And
before we move on from Kelsey, I have in my notes,
I just wouldn't be clear as the girl the spokesperson
for the crying girls. Emotional doesn't mean insecure. Emotional doesn't
mean that you're emotionally unstable. It doesn't mean that you're

(53:09):
having an emotional breakdown when you're crying, even if you're
crying every day, and an environment, even environment like The Bachelor,
I think it's perfectly normal. Yeah, um, are you talking
about Victoria f called her out and said this is
a show for secure women, so like figure it out.
She did say that that was bad, and then, um, like,

(53:31):
being emotional doesn't mean that you're nuts. Um drinking, you
can't call don't call her out on a drinking problem.
You have absolutely no idea whether she hazard doesn't have
way out of line. Her emotions are not infringing on
anybody else's relationship with Peter, and that's basically all I
have to say. There was a moment and it reminded

(53:52):
me a lot of one week that I had in
the batchel and it was the same week it was
week five. She was like, you guys think that I'm
the crazy one here for crying. Why the hell aren't
you crying. You guys are being ridiculous for not crying.
I was like, I don't believe you guys like him.
Maybe you're not this emotional said that. She was like,

(54:12):
I actually believe that. I think the only two people
who are actually like, really in love with Peter are
McKenna and Kelsey at this point. I believe Y hasn't
talked to him yet. But she so honest, Like when
Tammy said, like, did you talk about me? And Kelsey
was honest. Kelsey said, yes, I brought up and I

(54:32):
said that you said this and this, but that's all
I said. And she was truthful one confronted about it.
And I really don't love this part and team. We're
gonna get into your podcast here at the very end,
so stick with us here. But I really want your
honest feedback here. All this is funny games. This whole
show is funny games. It can't work. I think we
all agree, like, hey, this could possibly work. You know,

(54:53):
we have a successful relationship sitting in the room from it.
But you have to be really careful on the show.
And I wish people would take this responsibility when they
get casted for questioning somebody's character and saying something that
could last with him outside of the show. In the show,
you know, do your thing. They get mad at each other,
argue whatever, little tests, little fights. But the pill popping part,

(55:16):
I don't understand to me why this wasn't a bigger
deal for everybody stopped in the room and go time out.
This is a conversation and a serious conversation for us
as we're just spouting it off when we're sitting at
a cocktail party about somebody having a pill addiction that
we're just going to pass over and argue about, Like
how did nobody step up and go time out? Guys?

(55:37):
This is a big deal, Like this could really hurt
somebody for a long time, and she doesn't have to
disclose her out of all prescription, which she was also
talking about really private information. That was a really serious
moment for me, Like that was I was watching this,
I was saying, this is all funny. I'm laughing up
until this point, and now somebody's back there going yeah,

(55:59):
I just said she had a politiction because I said
I saw her taking some pills. I know, it's so crazy.
You should have seen the drug store that I have.
But not for emotional stuff, right, Ashley, No, not at all.
I mean it's true, like this is sad and from
somebody from me personally, who have who has struggled with
pills in their life at different points in times like

(56:22):
that to me was like you gotta be like this
is this is not funny anymore. And but and then
then it gets funny again, so then it gets out
of it because then it kind of moves on to
whatever else you're arguing about. And I do want to
just highlight and so everybody should go watch this stuff
as good again. Rewind it to this point. You have
like three girls I don't know their names at this
point that are sitting on the couch like in the

(56:45):
back with their eyes wide open, just watching this go down.
And I know these moments and I would love for
the people have been on the show and jes for
you they love this show to speak to this those
moments where like everybody wonders how edited this is, these
are the moments that cannot be edited this is this
is beautiful. Yeah, that was fun. It was It's so true.
And also it's like, I don't know why people think

(57:07):
it has to all be so produced. It's like, look,
this season is a perfect example. Throw like twenty girls
in a room throwing some alcohol with it and like boom,
just stand back and let the fire, let the fire
blow out of control. Yeah. Absolutely, So let's talk about
the Rose ceremonies. The cocktail party was canceled. Um, which
is the perfect time, you know, perfect scenario for a roast,

(57:30):
a rosy meremony cocktail party to be canceled. And Tammy
can't um. So she interrupts and says, can I talk
to you? She says, from what we saw, very inconsequential stuff, right,
McKenna interrupts, and I didn't even really take note of it.
I was like, this is no, she didn't say anything. Well,
what I think is like what we said before, what

(57:52):
we noticed in the beginning is it seems like like, um,
you know how on the first episode, a lot of
times the batchelor will just cut the people they didn't
talk to, like you know, they're like I didn't get
a chance to talk to her. So if she's going home.
Peter did the opposite, where it's like he actually kept
all the girls like the first night who he didn't
talk to, and so it seems like now this time,
it seems like if he has any like feelings at

(58:12):
all and he still feels like he needs to test
it out, he's going to give that person a chance.
And I think maybe that's what happened with Tammy, like
he wanted to see her side of this because he
sent him Shannon and Lexie and it doesn't seem like
he connection. There's never been any mentionable moments for them,
and I guess like he and Tammy have kind of
had some fun moments, so that's probably where he was like, Okay,
I know there's no hope there, so we'll just move

(58:33):
on from them. That seems to be more of his
m O. I also wonder too, if it's like, at
some point he's smart enough to go. I'm so confused
right now. Everything is so chaotic. I'm not getting clear
answers from anybody. At least. Tammy's like trying to like
talk to me about stuff like, yeah, it's not pretty,
She's probably not the one for me. This is not
getting any better. But at least she's trying to communicate

(58:56):
with me where some of these other women aren't at all.
Even though the only community Asian is bad mouthing other people.
That's not good either. Yeah. Question for you guys, do
you think that those conversations that he was pulled aside
for did anything and changing his mind? Or do we
think that that was the roster he was going to keep.
I don't think it changed his mind. I don't think

(59:16):
it did either. No, I'm going to agree with that
they were just they were always, like you said, in
consequential conversations. Yeah, and really time wasting. Yeah. I mean
maybe they were longer. Maybe they did come across as
being very short, but I think he kind of already
had his mind made up for sure. I bet they're
really short. You think about how awkward this is. He's

(59:37):
sitting like fifteen ft away from the women. They're standing
up there for god knows how long. At this point,
they're all a little anxious and ready to get out
of there, like he's probably going to keep those really
really really short. Hey, um, team, I'm gonna go around
the circle here. We'll start with Jess and end with Ashley.
Thoughts so far on the season. We'll keep this short

(59:59):
and concise. Thoughts in the season, Thoughts on this last episode,
and then we're gonna take a break and we'll come
back and talk all about Chatty Broad's with Becca and
Joe jess Um thoughts in the season, Thoughts in this episode. Um,
I think this season is a hot mess, but I
love it, And um, I do really really love Peter.
I think he's a really genuine guy and I feel

(01:00:19):
for him because I feel like it's going to just
keep getting Messire. Who's your favorite? Do you have favorites
right now? I mean I thought I did, but at
this point people who weren't my favorites are starting to emerge,
like Hannah and and God. I just hope McKenna gets
a one on one next week. Give the girl a
one on one? Okay, give the girl one. Uh. You know,
I love hate this season because I think it's um crazy.

(01:00:43):
But it's also sometimes like this episode is really infuriating
for me to watch and kind of like triggering. When
I was watching someone like Tammy was doing some gaslighting
and Sydney was doing this whole deflecting thing, and it
was just like frustrating. I wanted to be there and
be like I don't want to see you be there
to like, no, you need to be held accountable, owed
up to it. Like there's that kind of thing that

(01:01:04):
just really grinded my gears and frustrated me. There's been
a lot of injustice this season that's really bothered me.
Uh that being if you're speaking in justice, I felt
like a Leah did, she's already gone. Um. And then
now I just feel like there's injustice with women staying
that I don't think should be staying, who are being
consistently rewarded for behavior that is bad, and uh yeah,

(01:01:28):
so that's frustrating. And then I think I think that
maybe I'm kind of wondering, like what if Hannah Ann
takes it all the way? I don't know. And then
I see Madison being the bachelorette, so we are actually
totally unspoiled, but they're not really giving us now we
don't really know much about she will come back around
once all the drama's gone in like Top six. But

(01:01:49):
then then again, I don't know, because with all these
super teases looking super crazy, like at the very end,
it seems maybe it's like one of the bad girls
goes all the way. I don't know, but I can't
wait to see. My opinion is that it's been a
really good season from a viewers perspective because it's been
so dramatic. But I also don't think that Peter is

(01:02:13):
going to find his wife in this bunch, and if
he does, I think it might be it would be
Maddie because yeah, yeah, because that's like I feel like
he's been blinded by a lot of beauty, a lot
of sexuality. I don't know how deep he's getting with
some of these girls or he's being yeah yeah, I
think he's getting like a little blinded by it. Out
of all the bachelors to have to deal with this,
I do feel bad. I really to really think he

(01:02:34):
just wants his wife. I know, I really Webber. I know,
I know Mrs Webber. I know he wants his Mrs Webber,
And before this whole thing started, I knew he wanted that,
and I do think that's why I think he's starting
to catch up with it. But I really do think
he walked in this season naive. Um. He had a
fairy tale, a fairy tale like perspective of what this

(01:02:54):
could be like he wanted everybody have such a good
time that he thought everybody's gonna get along and and
that changed quickly. But hey, it is The Bachelor. Listeners, Um,
we're gonna take a break and we come back. Chatty
Broad's Uh is a podcast that we've got to talk
about with two of our very special guests who just
broke down the whole episode with us. Thank you for that.

(01:03:16):
We'll come back with Becca and Jess here in just
a second. Chatty Broad's with Becca and Jess is all
about balance. They chat all about The Bachelor, reality TV
and spill the t half the week. The other half
of the week, they discussed topics transparently like sexuality, spirituality, relationships, motherhood,

(01:03:40):
mental health, and so much more. Episodes come out every
Tuesday and Thursday, and you, yes, you can hear from
the host yourself right now. Hey, Jess and Becca tell
us about Chetty Broad's. First of all, you're such a
good mc ben, I know coming back, I know what
a host I like. I'm like, you take all the
intros and outros, so it at it. I wonder right

(01:04:02):
come back on The Bachelor that no wonder why he's
hosting Bachelor Live. Yeah, seriously, I'm actually really curious about
how that's going. But enough about you, more about us.
What was the question? So, like, tell us about this?
So I'm we obviously just broke down the episode. You're
great at that, and we understand that about you too.
You're gonna talk pop culture and all those I really

(01:04:23):
want to know about the sexuality, spirituality and relationships, mental
health part of this, the stuff that's real, the stuff
that your fans are listening to for an escape in
a place to feel less alone. I imagine you to
do that well, but I want to hear how you
walk into those conversations and why you two as hosts
are worthy to be listened to honestly. I mean, I
feel like I'll tell us, um, I do feel like

(01:04:46):
Becka and I are really We've made a commitment to
be as vulnerable as possible, Like you're going to get
the honest opinion and the honest truth about both of us,
Like we're going to tell stories about ourselves that are
not flattering and we'll be honest about it. And I
think as of that, we've been able to really connect
with our listeners on topics like sexuality. When we're having
a rough go, We'll talk about it on motherhood. We're

(01:05:07):
talking about how it's not easy, how it's tough. I've
shared a lot about some of my mental health struggles,
and I think a lot of our listeners have been
able to feel connected that way because they don't feel
alone hearing us talk about our struggles pretty openly, and
also like a lot of the topics happened to be
topics that a lot of people can relate to. We
both come from super conservative evangelical backgrounds. Both of us

(01:05:29):
were home schooled at one point, and you know, it's
something that we really connected on and talked a lot
through the podcast. And cooling about the podcast is that
we've gotten to know each other while recording it, which
means that our listeners have joined in as we've developed
our friendship and have kind of been a part of
that friendship as it's evolved. But yeah, navigating that and
just navigating the things we don't know, navigating UM, our

(01:05:52):
relationships with our respective husband and boyfriend, and navigating our
identity UM alongside personal identists, identity alongside motherhood, navigating our
belief systems, and then also it's like, you know, every
once in a while we'll have like a quote big guest,
but a lot of the times people were having on
are just people that were interested in hearing from experts

(01:06:14):
and stuff that we're curious about, and even just some
of our listeners coming on to share their stories. And
so I think we've created a pretty cool, diverse community
in our little chatty broad's podcast world. That is so cool.
And can I say how much you educate me back
on your Instagram is so good. I have become so
much more like environmentally mental. That started with the podcast

(01:06:38):
Thank You Conscious. The podcast, we had a friend on
the podcast who was just really broke down a lot
of stuff that I had never even thought of, and
that kind of kicked me off on my journey. But like,
that's the cool thing about podcast that we are learning
so much and then get to share that with other people.
So it's really inspired me personally, just us having the podcast,
your compost pile and all the less trash you have

(01:07:03):
this week, I've been like, oh man, I can't I
can't believe how much trash Jared and I accumulate as
just two people living in a house. Hey, but the
awareness is like that's the first place, like once you
start realizing it, then you know whether it's changed now
or like two years from now, somebody start thinking about
like even paper towels, like I'll like try to keep
one on the counter, Like if I just wipe something
up really quick and there it's totally not fully absorbed,

(01:07:25):
I'll just keep it there for the next time. I suppose.
It's like small things like that. Once it starts coming
into you, awareness is so important. That's really cool. So
thanks Vecta for telling me. Yeah, I know you really
There's many things that I've learned from from your Instagram.
Thank you, and which I knew came from the podcast,
which is why I bring it up because those are
the kind of things that I know you guys do
talk about the There's this interesting trend and I was

(01:07:48):
just speaking about it at a workshop I spoke at
this last week, and there's this trend in vulnerability that
is coming out and it's awesome, right, I Mean, vulnerability
has been something that we've always claimed we've been a
part of, but you know, we we're learning more and
more what we've been suppressed by. And as a Christian myself,
I get the whole like I come from a conservative
evangelical upbring. I understand what you're saying when you talk

(01:08:10):
about that the sexuality part of this is really interesting.
And the part of the workshop I was doing was
talking about this the new show on Netflix with the
Gwyneth Paltrow on the Goop and then UM where they
bring a bunch of women into the room UM and
they all get naked, and the whole purpose of this
is to help everybody know that they're not alone. That
when they look at their bodies and they say, oh,

(01:08:31):
this is a weird thing growing off of this, or
is you know, are my parts all looking like other
women's or if they don't look like other women's in
my abnormal or whatever that is. And they show this
whole thing and it's beautiful because you have women for
the first time and sometimes fifty sixty years breaking down
going I've always thought there was something wrong with me,
and now I'm realizing that there never was. For you all,

(01:08:52):
I will send off with this. This has been something
like this is something I don't want to say'm passion
because it makes it sound like I'm an expert. I
just like I listen to those stories and you want
to break me down. Tell me somebody's sixty years old
and just finding themselves for the first time. How heavy
is that? And just like but also how beautiful is that?
So thank you Um, Rebecca and Jess for chatting about

(01:09:14):
everything that matters and helping people feel less alone. I think,
no matter what you're up bringing, no matter where you
come from, what your religious belief system, no matter if
you believe in God or not. Uh, I personally believe
as a Christian that if we can feel less alone,
we're doing something really right. Thank you, guys, appreciate that.
Thank you and Becca. We can't let you go without
talking about the fact that you're pregnant. Also, are so

(01:09:36):
real about pregnancy and all those struggles that go along
with it. You don't don't do like the whole like
it's like a mommy blogger thing where everything just seems
Sometimes I wish I could be like that, but it
just doesn't work out for me. But everybody loves the real.
Thank you. Yes, so when you do, June, I feel
like I'm always pregnant. Now this is my new life.
It's almost like it's almost been two years since I've

(01:09:58):
been drunk, and I can't wait. So I've just been
aching to go out with her. But it's it's cool.
It's a new season and one where I'm learning so
much about myself. And uh, I love a good challenge,
so being a mom is pretty cool challenge. And uh,
I don't know, just it's it's illuminated so many different

(01:10:18):
aspects of myself that I didn't know existed, and that's
been really cool. And I'm gonna state right now where
I'm just very like chill and mellow and fine with
just being like a recluse and just I don't know.
It's a it's a new aspect and dynamic of my
relation of my Yeah, I guess my relationship with myself
and my personality that I hadn't explored before. Um, as
somebody who will end up trying to get pregnant without

(01:10:41):
within the next twelve months, give me it's it can't
It's not that much of a secret. I'm during thirty
two next month. Do you have to come off? I
gotta get off spirit of lack tone. I got it.
I got something to help me so bad with my skin. Um,
we'll talk about it later. Your whole podcast about pregnancy

(01:11:02):
skin on one of our other podcast my pregnancy skin
was horrible. Your skin looks amazing. Right now, give me
some words of encouragement because like so often I just
get like so many people tell us to wait, Like
so many parents tell us like, well, you know, there's
some people who are like, don't wait too long, because

(01:11:22):
you know you need like you know, the youth. But
then there's some a lot of people will come up
and be like, oh, wait as long as you can,
and I'll be like, oh god, why why we welcome
to l A. First of all, also, just and I
both had unplanned pregnancies in very different scenarios. Her married
and on birth control getting pregn yeah, that's a whole
other that's a whole other story, swimmers, Yeah for sure.

(01:11:45):
And then yeah, my storage is very different. But but
you tried this time. No I thought I was planned. Okay, No,
that's okay. You're a fertile woman. Nothing's planned in my
life anymore, you know what kind of But what we did,
I mean, we had had conversations about wanting to have
more children, and so it wasn't like like it just was.

(01:12:05):
It was a different scenario and we're very excited and happy,
and it was very like, oh, well, we weren't expecting that,
but how exciting. And I guess it's going to happen
now versus like a year or two from now. Um,
I think that you know, people always have advice on
how you should do things, and don't listen to him. Okay,
I mean not to any of it. Take it with
a grain of salt for the people that care about

(01:12:27):
you and have a lot of wisdom. But also, like
I think Jess can agree, I mean, it's such a
cliche that there's no perfect time to be a parent,
but there's no perfect time to be parents. You're never
going to know all the things, you're never going to
be like in the perfect financial state, So it's not
as scary as people make it, saying no, not at all.
I mean, I know, like the first week of finding
out that I was surprised pregnant, I cried for a

(01:12:48):
week just because it wasn't it was just out of
my control, right and I'm a control freak, so that
like waged me out. Um. But just like Becca was saying,
it just feels like like every individual is different, Every
pregnancy is different, every parenthood, like journey is different. So
when someone says a definitive. You know you should get
pregnant at this point, or that's too later, too early,

(01:13:09):
or you should do this or that. It's just also
you're being in a place where you're wanting to consider
make be so considerate and make the very best choice.
That means that you're ready to parents, right And you're like,
I mean you see, I think you guys, Yeah, I
do it always to hear all these kind of topics
more Jess and Becca, where can they find the Chetty

(01:13:32):
Broad's podcast Everywhere? Everywhere? Everywhere, Everywhere podcasts are located. Podcast
all that, Jess, Becca, thank you for coming on our
podcast today. It's almost famous podcast welcomes you, thanks for
everything you did for us and breaking down the episode. Listeners,
please go check out the Chetty Broad's podcast Everywhere and
when I say everywhere, I guess everywhere you can listen

(01:13:52):
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(01:14:14):
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(01:16:32):
on our podcast. Actually, you're right, they're really good at
breaking down the episode. Yes, they're great. That was fun.
That was a lot of fun. They have good perspective.
They're also funny. Um, and I feel I feel like
Beca likes me now she does. That was definitely just
like that's her just being honest and like, you know,
that's like what I wish we could do more of
it is and be like we could talk a little smack,

(01:16:52):
but like we don't mean it in our hearts, you know,
we we mean it like as far as like just
you know, that was a big out there. I just
mean a new friend today and you heard it. It
was nice. It makes me I'm gonna bet it rest
and easy and night. Do you want to go through
some emails? Yeah, let's do it. There's like you want
to address. Yeah, I think it's funny. Right, let's do
the one email here? Um, it's from Natalie. It's called

(01:17:14):
TikTok shays I became famous on TikTok because of you
when she says you mean you mean you really? Yeah?
I think so. This has thirty five thousand views in
two hours, So thank you for letting me know. Peter
was in a commercial. Oh it was me. I love
you guys both and listening to your insight on all

(01:17:35):
the Batchelor episodes. Hey Natalie, Hey, fame, fame is a
is a burden not worthy to be carried, but we're
glad that you're carrying it for a bit. Um. Thanks
for sending us an email. Actually, this has been a
fun podcast. It's here's how I want to close this though. Okay, okay,
what and I said at the beginning, but I want
to put a little emphasis on this. This season has

(01:17:56):
not been that fun for me. It's more it has
been more fun past bachelor seasons that I can like,
you know that I've we've been a part of, We've
talked very openly about it's been years since we've really
been able to get into a bachelor's season. We can
necessarily figure out why this season kind of felt like that.
But this week and I get where there's you know,
this episode five was so big. I can't wait for

(01:18:16):
this next big episode to come out. This week was
the first week where I'm on the edge of my
seat going I cannot wait to watch more. Yeah, I'd
love me wanting more so much more that I don't
mind that we have another two hours this week Wednesday night,
there will be another episode of the Bachelor, and we
will be here right after the show, so you know
eight o'clock. Um, it's wait, it's eleven o'clock if you

(01:18:39):
want to listen to and after the episode airs, we
will be here talking about it on Wednesday late night.
It's gonna be a late night. Hey. Actually, one question
we haven't done yet this year, and I think it's
time to start doing it. We started with Colton about
this week, and we're gonna start with Peter about this week.
A scale of A to F. What are you rating

(01:18:59):
Pete as the Bachelor? That's This involves performance, This involves
um liability, It involves handling of controversy, This involved just
swag like everything as a bachelor. When you look at him,
F you gave him a B plus a couple of
weeks ago. I think that was like week to Um.
I think that he's a bee because I agree. I

(01:19:19):
think that he like has the potential of being an
a and he's like everything that a girl probably wants.
But I just think it's the way that he's like
not realizing that so many of his moves create more drama. Yeah,
the one thing I give him a be on and
I don't think he can go much farther than be
and this is why, in my opinion, like he's always

(01:19:41):
going to be likable, like we're always going to cheer
for him, unlike some past Batchelors who have been like, oh,
this is just annoying to watch him, Like this is
just terrible, Like he's driving me up the wall. He's like,
there's been no points this season that I've watched Peter
and been like I just don't like that guy. Oh yeah,
there's like nothing unlikable about him. He's so likable. He's likable. Yeah, hey,

(01:20:02):
we'll stick with a beef right now. I have a
feeling he'll go up in our page. Ashley, You're great,
we'll talk soon. We're talking like a day. It feels
like two days after another three hour episode of the Bachelor.
With that, I've been been, I've been Ashley by guys.
See you Wednesday night. Follow the Benn and Ashley I
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