October 11, 2025 • 23 mins
We reveal the secret language of sorority women.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
your hosts me Gia, Judice, Daisy.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
All right, guys, so here we are here, we're back
talking to There are four of us here talking about sororities,
different times, different generations, young old.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
I was in the middle because like, I think my
mom is the grandma. Now we're middle, and then Lily
is young.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You keep telling yoursel phone.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I think you're wrong.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I think your mom is the whatever the gigi.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, whatever your thing is, Lily the gigi. Right, we're
the grandma's.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
So Jen, give us the next lingo. But I wanted
to talk about something that Nikki brought up in our
last episode, which was back in the day, in the nineties.
And we'll see what Lily thinks of this. You had
a landline in your room, some people did. How we
communicated was through these payphones and so at Kappa we
(01:01):
had these two phones. Now in our era, it would
just ring and you hope someone would answer it. In
my mom's era, fledges were assigned time.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's hazing, literally, that's hazing, right.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
No, so to answer so I can remember the phone ringing.
You know this payphone, an old timey payphone. You'd answer
it and they would say, this is you know, Bob,
Can I talk to Nicki? And then you'd get on
the intercom and you would say NICKI oh four, Niki
O two.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And then those phones, those were like house phones.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You had to use a quarter or like your dad's
calling card if you wanted to call out. Now, you
might have a phone in your room, but there would
be no way to really know the number. Although I
have this vague memory of a Greek phone book, Nicki,
do you have any memory of some sort of a
phone book that had everyone's landlord.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Thomas side or what do we call yellow pages?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
No, I mean I just remember a bathe phone with
life like there are all different lines and lights would
be blinking.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
No, that's from the movie Love Story back in the
day that you're in the fifties on that.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
That's fancy, Jen. We had a payphone, like an actual
hanging on the wall payphone.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Two with a booth that you would go into.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Correct and then there was a booth. Yeah, so if
you and if you were upstairs and you would say NICKI,
oh four, you'd have to wait for Nikki to pick
it up downstairs. Then you would hang up and then
she could like shut the payphone door downstairs. I'm happy
to we use card and there were actually yeah, or
did we use credit cards or collect calls?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Like we're in jail? All of it?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
We had all that stuff, Minnie Dorms, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
What if someone was hogging it? Like Nicki's on the
phone with her long distance boyfriend one freshman year and
she's hogging it.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
What do you guys do?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
We also had phones in our room, so you'd have
a landline with an answering machine with a cassette tape
in it. So you would have a landline and like
you and your roommate would share the landline and you
would come in and you'd hit oh we got three
message and hit play oh my god, and your roommate,
I had this overwhelming memory come back to me the
(03:06):
other day. Your roommate would totally mess up the call.
So I come back into the room and my roommate
Karen said, so and so called, and I said, okay,
like it was really random, like she basically said, like
Teddy called, So I called back this guy Teddy and
it was this awkward, weird conversation because really Eddie called,
(03:30):
but she said Teddy and it was so am I
still to this day, thirty years later, I'm like, I
called Teddy.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Like Lily, we didn't even have computers.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
We had brother word processors that were like huge suitcases.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Do you remember those, Amy? We would sit up.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I mean I actually had a computer. I was kind
of advancing.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I had.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You were a very fancy because I had I.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Had a computer. What that had discs? And I would
take the disc down to this thing on bank Craft
and print out my papers floppy discs.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I can't even think about what that looks like. I
can't even have you ever heard of it? Typewriter, Lily, Yes, yes,
but you guys didn't use typewriters.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
We did some people, sure did they?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Jen? You use it for what?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Mine was almost a type type I.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Mean so, I mean it was close there in terms
of like computers starting to use computers for papers. But
like I'm talking about, like I when I had a
big paper, even in college, if I was I would
take it, I would write it out, take it to
my mother, she was a secretary. She would type out
the paper away so I could turn it in. Yeah, totally. No.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
There was only a few of us that had computers.
So I had this Apple two E and it would
be this big monitor and then there was a computer,
and then you would put the disc in save your
stuff onto this disc and then some people maybe had
a printer, but I had to take it down and
get it printed, and then I would turn my paper in.
But I had the advantage because I could edit and
(05:00):
make changes, whereas poor Nikki the brother only had like
a small screen. So if you if you printed that
never wide out.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
You have to you.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Have to like wide out it and then blow on
it so you can go over it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I think about this all the time, like what if
if you were running late or you had to cancel
on something, how would you get ahold of someone you
just did it?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
You just couldn't.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I had a pager a beeper in high school, but
I don't know Amy did we have one?
Speaker 5 (05:31):
But does it page? What's a pager? What does that do?
Is that connected to your landlord?
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Well, the other person had to have a beeper too,
So if Amy didn't have a beeper and I had
a beeper and I was beeping, she wouldn't get it,
so I guess we were maybe never late or we just.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Crazier thing is how we ever met up with the
fraternity boys.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Want to regnize, So you would basically.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Hope for the best. So you would go with your
sorority sisters to Henry's or kIPS or Rawley's or some
other bear's layer, and you would just hope for the best.
You would hope that the guy you kind of had
a crush on or the couple guys would be there too,
and you would just sort of hope. Now, maybe you
(06:15):
would landline to landline, so you might call Mike at
SAE and be like, hey, you guys going down the hill,
and then you would just hope for the best.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
But here's the I mean, look, here's the reality of
it is. Greek life is multi generational, despite the different lingo,
despite the different electronics we all have, despite I mean,
the truth is is it's an institution that has spanned many, many,
many decades, right, even though things have changed with the world.
(06:46):
So going back to that kind of sisterhood concept or
word that we used, but it's interesting that that almost
doesn't translate on as deep of a level, right, like
it was it clickier in later years.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Would you say, like how many people were in your pledge.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Class sixty six?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Oh yeah, well, I mean we had thirty maybe.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, I mean I think it depends on school. I
think it's still very clique.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think there's still but there's there's friendships between sororities,
like my freshman year roommate, because of who your roommates
are freshman year, who you meet freshman year. I think
the later rush at different schools, it makes it so
you have a lot of different friends in your stories.
But totally there's still a clique aspect, but it's not uncommon.
It was almost if you were only friends with girls
(07:40):
in different sororities from your own and those were your
main best friends, that was almost that's a red flag.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Well, no different than somebody who doesn't have friends from
their past and they're only friends within the chapter that
they're existing.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
It right, right, that kind of But I think it's
interesting to say, like, I have a lot of good
friends that were pi Fi's, DG's couple tried ELTs maybe
a kayah, that's.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It why because the lower tier didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Speak to you, tag Amy, I'm just telling the truth.
This is a truthful place.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That still rings very true because all the same sororities
hang out with all the same fraternities, right.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I always say this, it's a very funny thing. Texas
at the University of Texas. Let me show you that
Jewish people are a minority, oh time, big time. When
I went to University of Texas, it felt like everybody
in Texas was Jewish because that's exactly I Everybody I
knew was either in DBT, Sammy a fire STT and
(08:50):
that's just how we rolled, and so every party ever
so so you know, I didn't feel I feel like
sometimes even growing up in Texas, I felt more Jewish there.
I know it sounds weird, but because everyone I knew
I was always surrounded by Jewish people.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I have a question on Lingo, Lily to ask you,
as I was looking at Jen wondering if she's married
to her college boyfriend or not. No, no, okay, just
check in because a lot of my friends are Lily.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Did they This is going to really age me. It's
going to sound super old fashioned. Did they ever have pinnings?
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I've had a pinning with my college boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Are you still pinned? Are you still attached?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
No, sadly, Oh.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
No, thanks for bringing that up, Nikki, thanks for bringing
that up.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
No, no, no, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Here's something that's interesting about Nicky's era. At her school,
there was an extraordinary amount of couples her age that
married each other that are still Married's like amazing, very
very I know some like I could name ten couples
(10:04):
from Nicky's class and maybe the class below, class above
that married each other and are still married and still
like happy. End quotes.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Do you guys have candlelighting? So we'd sit in a circle,
there'd be a lit candle and it was very sacred.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And you were wearing all white.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
You were all white, and you passed the candle around
and it was like it was engagement that somebody was
now engaged to be engaged to. The girl had been
I guess pinned and she blew out the candle and
it went crazy. It's just so funny. But Rachel, if
I find out that you're engaged to be engaged to
be engaged to be engaged, you're dead.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay, l shes twenty three and she's in New York.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
He was in New York.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, and I'm like, don't even think about it, sweetheart.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Because I think it's interesting to talk about boys in
the sorority. So Lily will Nicky and I will tell
you about boys in our sorority, and then you tell
us what it's like.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
We actually were allowed to have boys, which was kind
of like, oh, they're allowed to have boys. We're allowed
to have boys for lunch. You could have boys upstairs till.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Ten No you couldn't. Yeah, we could, No, we could not.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
We could. You would go up they could go upstairs
till ten pm at night and you would go on
to the floor and you would say, man on, man on,
that's a big lingo thing.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Man on, Wait, what is there.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Is a boy in the hallway, So like don't come
out of your room and a towel, or don't come
out of the bathroom. You had to shout out man on,
which meant there's a man on the floor, and.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Vaguely, I'm menopause, hold on, it's fine, vaguely remembering this
and that at ten no boys.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And the other thing that was interesting was when a boy. Okay,
so we had a front door and you'd ring the
doorbell and we called it a foyer. I know some
people say foyer, but it was called a foyer and
the boy or your guest would come in. So say
I go to the front door, open the door, and
a boy is there for NICKI. I would get on
the intercom and say, NICKI, you have a caller on two.
(12:07):
So that way she knew it was a boy. If
it was her friend from PYTHEI I would say, NICKI,
you have a guest on two. That way she knew
she could like run down looking like, you know, do
doo and then take the girl back up or eat
lunch or whatever. So that way, there was an indicator
on the intercoll right if it was a you know,
(12:27):
a girl or a boy, and people would pop over.
There also was like all of a sudden, a boy
would just like ring the door and they'd be like,
you have a caller on too, and you'd be like,
who is it? And then it would be some friend
or could they sleep over? No, boys could not sleep over.
They had to leave at ten.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Boys could move mast the foyer foyer. I think that
there was a room right there, like a living room
that they can go into, maybe into the dining room,
but I don't remember them so.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
We had a living room, a TV room, and a
date room. It was called the date room. I think
we've talked about this on this show show before now. Weirdly,
I don't remember anyone like really using the date room.
It was always empty.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
We used to watch in my time Beverly Hill's nine
or two hours.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
That was the TV room, General Hospital.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Melrose Place. Where was the Where was it?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
If you were in the TV room and you looked
out those doors towards the mailboxes. The date room was
that fancy room right near the mailbox room.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Oh yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
A date room.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And you could have a boy for lunch. I think
you could have a boy for dinner. Not on Mondays,
no breakfast if a boy strolled.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I can't believe you. You have such a good memory, you.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Really, you really do. I don't know if I'm acting,
but I do the best I can.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
You were allowed to have boys for lunch and dinner.
Breakfast too was like technical.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Could you have boys in your bedrooms?
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Could they sleep over?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
But yes, but this they oh they could sleep over
or you snuck them.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Over everyone else like all the other in this was
a real thing. Like at my school.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
It was really.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Everyone was pretty mad at us because we had a
very young house mom who let a lot of things,
a lot of sister house Yeah. She she was twenty five,
like right out of college and started being her house mom.
And she was really young, Like.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Why would she even want that job?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I think, I mean like free rent money and then
living in la and she was doing other things.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Was she in your sorority?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
She went to Syracuse. But she was like a friend.
I don't know. We loved her.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Our house mom was definitely a grandma and somebody aunt
Billie or something.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
We had Marge.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Everyone else other every other house had that, but we
had the young house mom so we could kind of
I don't know, she didn't care.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
We had always.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Sairly ever saw the house mom. She would like hop
out of that apartment once in a blue moon. But
she was definitely more like a grandma. And she had
this room. It was like she had a little apartment
within the roty house.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, she ate her room I think too, didn't she.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Oh she never came down for like meals. She probably
was like what am I doing.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
With these crazy ours would hang out?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We would, but like we would do I mean, we
had a courtyard and we would people would like smoke
pot in the courtyard.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Oh no, and like but they can't use the word rush, right, Nikki,
(15:34):
do you remember how we got in trouble, Like the
whole house was in trouble in not in a like
you're busted, but like almost in an embarrassing way, because
people would take their lunch upstairs, eat their lunch and
put their dishes outside their door, like we were at
a hotel and just expect somebody to come pick up
(15:55):
their their plates.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
And then also there would be like somebody would have
fourteen cups in their room, they'd like take their cups upstairs.
We had at one hasher, but back in the day,
what's a hasher? The hasher was the guy that was
doing the dishes and he worked at a fraternity, right yeah,
or he was like a guy making money. On Mondays
you had formal dinner, so you would sit and I
think he would clear your plates, sure, like a server.
(16:20):
But back in the day, there would be like ten
hashers and they My dad was a hasher and my
mom was in the sortie and that's how they met
and got married. They came from the law school and
they would I think they had formal dinner, like many
nights a week, so they were always like serving and
clearing like you were at like a four five star restaurants. Crazy.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Really, did you guys have father daughter dances and mother
daughter launcheins?
Speaker 7 (16:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
What?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
No, you had? Oh here's another lingo. We could not.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
We no longer had mom's weekend, which I think this
is for the best because I had a friend who
lost her mom. But if you have two dad's, right,
so you call it role model weekend and you could
bring you know, usually people would bring their moms or
their dads.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I like that you didn't have like a father daughter
dinner auction dance.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
My dad didn't come, we did.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
No, no one did that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
What what your father would fly in just for this dance?
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yes, we have pictures with like the sure printed pictures.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
And it was like a big fundraiser too. There was
like a big auction and they would like auction off
items and then all the dads would like bid on them.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
You don't like Texas? Oh you weekend?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh they're going this weekend, Jen, it's the it's this weekend.
It's still a thing tomorrow first overnight.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
It's huge Texas, So use a big this weekend.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
This is so fun. I never knew about the father
daughter thing.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well, not only that, we do mom's mom.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
There's parents weekend, and there's mom's weekend, and there's dad's weekend.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And parents came to I cannot remember what it was called.
There was bid day presence. Was it called presence?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Said at still before you get your bid at least
in the South or Texas. Gen Literally the moms and
the grandma's are waiting at the hotel for the call,
and they all are a part of that bid day.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And we had this thing where it was mid day
and then a few weeks later you would get dressed
up in like more of a like a sun dressy
type dress and there would be sort of like a
tea and crumpets type of vibe in the courtyard. And
I think moms came, but I think maybe dads came,
I don't know, and they would like present the pledges,
but definitely like moms were there. My mom wasn't.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I don't remember her.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
This is this is still a thing with us too,
Like your mom and your mom and dad come and
watch you, Yeah, get presented for presents. Yeah, and it's
like and it's after initiation. You have to be initiated.
So there's it's you know, like within the first two months.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
They get so different school to school. So I didn't
do that for Rachel either. I don't remember how I mean,
I was there for her. There was a red dress charity,
and there's parents Weekend, but there wasn't I remember any
of that.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Was there any other lingo we haven't gotten to today.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Oh let's see, we talked about house Mother just now.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
We did Hometown Pro and conn nice.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You talked about pr risk, which we didn't have it
back in the day.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
But oh yeah, I can't tell, Like is it good
or bad to be like popular on social media?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
I think it depends on what you post on social media.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
But Lily, I was told with my friend's daughters that
were going through rush that you have to have a
social media following. So I had many young daughters who
had to like literally take days of changing outfits and
posing and this not to like build a social media
almost campaign.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, because if you only have like five posts in
their kind of random, they're they're like, who is this girl?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Where our friends?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
And no love your posting?
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, But if you have, yeah, Like, if you have
like a few thousand followers, and you know people are
like twenty eight to fifty or whatever, people are commenting
on each post and liking them, then it's yeah, I mean,
that's that that bodes well for sure. If there's not
a lot, there's not a lot to look at.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah, I see. I think it would be the opposite,
Like I would want the girl that has no social media.
I'd be like, I want her. She seems cool, girl,
she's mysterious.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I mean, you're going against your I feel like you're going.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I'm an anomaly.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Actually, Well, when it comes to boys, she wants to
make sure that they're cool. When it comes to girls,
they should be misteraious.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
They really need to be top tier. There you go,
I'm gonna hang out with them.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Amy, It's probably good you didn't have a daughter that
went through RUSH, because let me tell.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
You, my niece went through RUSH and I didn't sleep
for a week. And this is a thing we will
talk about this in a future episode, because it is
universal that I think the moms these days are stressing
more than the kid. Like I had a friend whose
daughter just went through and she ended up in a
top house. It went great.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Did you have a rush coach?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
No, we talked about that weeks a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Down we've talked about that and it's still sort of
a debate. But no, she just did her thing. She
got a top house. But the poor mom, who's like
one of my best friends, was just sick all week.
It's just so stressful. And then finally on midday they
just couldn't take it anymore and they're just following the
find my Phone app to see where she's going because
obviously she's too busy to call, and they're just like,
(21:24):
her phone is at this sorority and I go, yeah,
you guys, she's in. Like, no one's taking her phone to.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
The house with that school where my friend's daughter did
not get a house.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, I mean we can shout it out. Cal Poly
is a rough rush.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Now, so is San Diego State.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I mean it's oh, San Diego Steita I heard is
like one of the worst.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
It's so rough. Yeah, cal Poly is super rough, bolder.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It happened to a friend of mine's daughter.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Happened to a friend of mine's too. This year. She
didn't get in, and then she got in genuous open. Yeah,
so she didn't get in, and then my other friend
there's like two best friend. So my other friend's daughter
did get into her top whatever. Then this friend the
daughter didn't get in anywhere and then got in on
whatever that's called.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Cob is way bigger now than it was. All right, Jen, Well,
I think we're out of time. Sorry to be the producer,
but I think we're out of time. But we'll continue this.
And also I think that for people listening, like it
is our goal, even though we sometimes sound icky, I
don't know what to say to really make it truthful
for people listening because we watch these documentaries and you
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Speaker 3 (22:50):
Amen, you guys, Thank you so much. This was really
I have to say, it's really it makes me feel
really old. This is the topic of lingo, but I'm
both okay, we still love you, lil.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Look at all these words like uber tender ways, ghosting breadcrumbs.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean, that's there's just.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
One that I don't care. And my kids can roll
their eyes. I'm still saying, is that your big sister.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, for sure. I think we're old just calling it lingo.
I think, just by the very fact that we use
the word lingo, Lily's rolling her eyes at us.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I think you guys are great, and I love hearing
your stories about your typewriters and you're white out and
your kids.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Okay, that's enough, Okay, see you guys soon.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Bye.
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
your hosts me Gia, Judice, Daisy.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
All right, guys, so here we are here, we're back
talking to There are four of us here talking about sororities,
different times, different generations, young old.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
I was in the middle because like, I think my
mom is the grandma. Now we're middle, and then Lily
is young.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You keep telling yoursel phone.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I think you're wrong.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I think your mom is the whatever the gigi.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, whatever your thing is, Lily the gigi. Right, we're
the grandma's.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
So Jen, give us the next lingo. But I wanted
to talk about something that Nikki brought up in our
last episode, which was back in the day, in the nineties.
And we'll see what Lily thinks of this. You had
a landline in your room, some people did. How we
communicated was through these payphones and so at Kappa we
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had these two phones. Now in our era, it would
just ring and you hope someone would answer it. In
my mom's era, fledges were assigned time.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's hazing, literally, that's hazing, right.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
No, so to answer so I can remember the phone ringing.
You know this payphone, an old timey payphone. You'd answer
it and they would say, this is you know, Bob,
Can I talk to Nicki? And then you'd get on
the intercom and you would say NICKI oh four, Niki
O two.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And then those phones, those were like house phones.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You had to use a quarter or like your dad's
calling card if you wanted to call out. Now, you
might have a phone in your room, but there would
be no way to really know the number. Although I
have this vague memory of a Greek phone book, Nicki,
do you have any memory of some sort of a
phone book that had everyone's landlord.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Thomas side or what do we call yellow pages?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
No, I mean I just remember a bathe phone with
life like there are all different lines and lights would
be blinking.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
No, that's from the movie Love Story back in the
day that you're in the fifties on that.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
That's fancy, Jen. We had a payphone, like an actual
hanging on the wall payphone.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Two with a booth that you would go into.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Correct and then there was a booth. Yeah, so if
you and if you were upstairs and you would say NICKI,
oh four, you'd have to wait for Nikki to pick
it up downstairs. Then you would hang up and then
she could like shut the payphone door downstairs. I'm happy
to we use card and there were actually yeah, or
did we use credit cards or collect calls?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Like we're in jail? All of it?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
We had all that stuff, Minnie Dorms, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
What if someone was hogging it? Like Nicki's on the
phone with her long distance boyfriend one freshman year and
she's hogging it.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
What do you guys do?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
We also had phones in our room, so you'd have
a landline with an answering machine with a cassette tape
in it. So you would have a landline and like
you and your roommate would share the landline and you
would come in and you'd hit oh we got three
message and hit play oh my god, and your roommate,
I had this overwhelming memory come back to me the
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other day. Your roommate would totally mess up the call.
So I come back into the room and my roommate
Karen said, so and so called, and I said, okay,
like it was really random, like she basically said, like
Teddy called, So I called back this guy Teddy and
it was this awkward, weird conversation because really Eddie called,
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but she said Teddy and it was so am I
still to this day, thirty years later, I'm like, I
called Teddy.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Like Lily, we didn't even have computers.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
We had brother word processors that were like huge suitcases.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Do you remember those, Amy? We would sit up.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I mean I actually had a computer. I was kind
of advancing.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I had.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You were a very fancy because I had I.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Had a computer. What that had discs? And I would
take the disc down to this thing on bank Craft
and print out my papers floppy discs.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I can't even think about what that looks like. I
can't even have you ever heard of it? Typewriter, Lily, Yes, yes,
but you guys didn't use typewriters.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
We did some people, sure did they?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Jen? You use it for what?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Mine was almost a type type I.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Mean so, I mean it was close there in terms
of like computers starting to use computers for papers. But
like I'm talking about, like I when I had a
big paper, even in college, if I was I would
take it, I would write it out, take it to
my mother, she was a secretary. She would type out
the paper away so I could turn it in. Yeah, totally. No.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
There was only a few of us that had computers.
So I had this Apple two E and it would
be this big monitor and then there was a computer,
and then you would put the disc in save your
stuff onto this disc and then some people maybe had
a printer, but I had to take it down and
get it printed, and then I would turn my paper in.
But I had the advantage because I could edit and
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make changes, whereas poor Nikki the brother only had like
a small screen. So if you if you printed that
never wide out.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
You have to you.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Have to like wide out it and then blow on
it so you can go over it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I think about this all the time, like what if
if you were running late or you had to cancel
on something, how would you get ahold of someone you
just did it?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
You just couldn't.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I had a pager a beeper in high school, but
I don't know Amy did we have one?
Speaker 5 (05:31):
But does it page? What's a pager? What does that do?
Is that connected to your landlord?
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Well, the other person had to have a beeper too,
So if Amy didn't have a beeper and I had
a beeper and I was beeping, she wouldn't get it,
so I guess we were maybe never late or we just.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Crazier thing is how we ever met up with the
fraternity boys.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Want to regnize, So you would basically.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Hope for the best. So you would go with your
sorority sisters to Henry's or kIPS or Rawley's or some
other bear's layer, and you would just hope for the best.
You would hope that the guy you kind of had
a crush on or the couple guys would be there too,
and you would just sort of hope. Now, maybe you
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would landline to landline, so you might call Mike at
SAE and be like, hey, you guys going down the hill,
and then you would just hope for the best.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
But here's the I mean, look, here's the reality of
it is. Greek life is multi generational, despite the different lingo,
despite the different electronics we all have, despite I mean,
the truth is is it's an institution that has spanned many, many,
many decades, right, even though things have changed with the world.
(06:46):
So going back to that kind of sisterhood concept or
word that we used, but it's interesting that that almost
doesn't translate on as deep of a level, right, like
it was it clickier in later years.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Would you say, like how many people were in your pledge.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Class sixty six?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Oh yeah, well, I mean we had thirty maybe.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, I mean I think it depends on school. I
think it's still very clique.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think there's still but there's there's friendships between sororities,
like my freshman year roommate, because of who your roommates
are freshman year, who you meet freshman year. I think
the later rush at different schools, it makes it so
you have a lot of different friends in your stories.
But totally there's still a clique aspect, but it's not uncommon.
It was almost if you were only friends with girls
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in different sororities from your own and those were your
main best friends, that was almost that's a red flag.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Well, no different than somebody who doesn't have friends from
their past and they're only friends within the chapter that
they're existing.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
It right, right, that kind of But I think it's
interesting to say, like, I have a lot of good
friends that were pi Fi's, DG's couple tried ELTs maybe
a kayah, that's.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It why because the lower tier didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Speak to you, tag Amy, I'm just telling the truth.
This is a truthful place.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That still rings very true because all the same sororities
hang out with all the same fraternities, right.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I always say this, it's a very funny thing. Texas
at the University of Texas. Let me show you that
Jewish people are a minority, oh time, big time. When
I went to University of Texas, it felt like everybody
in Texas was Jewish because that's exactly I Everybody I
knew was either in DBT, Sammy a fire STT and
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that's just how we rolled, and so every party ever
so so you know, I didn't feel I feel like
sometimes even growing up in Texas, I felt more Jewish there.
I know it sounds weird, but because everyone I knew
I was always surrounded by Jewish people.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I have a question on Lingo, Lily to ask you,
as I was looking at Jen wondering if she's married
to her college boyfriend or not. No, no, okay, just
check in because a lot of my friends are Lily.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Did they This is going to really age me. It's
going to sound super old fashioned. Did they ever have pinnings?
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I've had a pinning with my college boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Are you still pinned? Are you still attached?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
No, sadly, Oh.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
No, thanks for bringing that up, Nikki, thanks for bringing
that up.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
No, no, no, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Here's something that's interesting about Nicky's era. At her school,
there was an extraordinary amount of couples her age that
married each other that are still Married's like amazing, very
very I know some like I could name ten couples
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from Nicky's class and maybe the class below, class above
that married each other and are still married and still
like happy. End quotes.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Do you guys have candlelighting? So we'd sit in a circle,
there'd be a lit candle and it was very sacred.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And you were wearing all white.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
You were all white, and you passed the candle around
and it was like it was engagement that somebody was
now engaged to be engaged to. The girl had been
I guess pinned and she blew out the candle and
it went crazy. It's just so funny. But Rachel, if
I find out that you're engaged to be engaged to
be engaged to be engaged, you're dead.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay, l shes twenty three and she's in New York.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
He was in New York.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, and I'm like, don't even think about it, sweetheart.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Because I think it's interesting to talk about boys in
the sorority. So Lily will Nicky and I will tell
you about boys in our sorority, and then you tell
us what it's like.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
We actually were allowed to have boys, which was kind
of like, oh, they're allowed to have boys. We're allowed
to have boys for lunch. You could have boys upstairs till.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Ten No you couldn't. Yeah, we could, No, we could not.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
We could. You would go up they could go upstairs
till ten pm at night and you would go on
to the floor and you would say, man on, man on,
that's a big lingo thing.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Man on, Wait, what is there.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Is a boy in the hallway, So like don't come
out of your room and a towel, or don't come
out of the bathroom. You had to shout out man on,
which meant there's a man on the floor, and.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Vaguely, I'm menopause, hold on, it's fine, vaguely remembering this
and that at ten no boys.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And the other thing that was interesting was when a boy. Okay,
so we had a front door and you'd ring the
doorbell and we called it a foyer. I know some
people say foyer, but it was called a foyer and
the boy or your guest would come in. So say
I go to the front door, open the door, and
a boy is there for NICKI. I would get on
the intercom and say, NICKI, you have a caller on two.
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So that way she knew it was a boy. If
it was her friend from PYTHEI I would say, NICKI,
you have a guest on two. That way she knew
she could like run down looking like, you know, do
doo and then take the girl back up or eat
lunch or whatever. So that way, there was an indicator
on the intercoll right if it was a you know,
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a girl or a boy, and people would pop over.
There also was like all of a sudden, a boy
would just like ring the door and they'd be like,
you have a caller on too, and you'd be like,
who is it? And then it would be some friend
or could they sleep over? No, boys could not sleep over.
They had to leave at ten.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Boys could move mast the foyer foyer. I think that
there was a room right there, like a living room
that they can go into, maybe into the dining room,
but I don't remember them so.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
We had a living room, a TV room, and a
date room. It was called the date room. I think
we've talked about this on this show show before now. Weirdly,
I don't remember anyone like really using the date room.
It was always empty.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
We used to watch in my time Beverly Hill's nine
or two hours.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
That was the TV room, General Hospital.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Melrose Place. Where was the Where was it?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
If you were in the TV room and you looked
out those doors towards the mailboxes. The date room was
that fancy room right near the mailbox room.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Oh yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
A date room.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And you could have a boy for lunch. I think
you could have a boy for dinner. Not on Mondays,
no breakfast if a boy strolled.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I can't believe you. You have such a good memory, you.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Really, you really do. I don't know if I'm acting,
but I do the best I can.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
You were allowed to have boys for lunch and dinner.
Breakfast too was like technical.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Could you have boys in your bedrooms?
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Could they sleep over?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
But yes, but this they oh they could sleep over
or you snuck them.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Over everyone else like all the other in this was
a real thing. Like at my school.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
It was really.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Everyone was pretty mad at us because we had a
very young house mom who let a lot of things,
a lot of sister house Yeah. She she was twenty five,
like right out of college and started being her house mom.
And she was really young, Like.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Why would she even want that job?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I think, I mean like free rent money and then
living in la and she was doing other things.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Was she in your sorority?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
She went to Syracuse. But she was like a friend.
I don't know. We loved her.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Our house mom was definitely a grandma and somebody aunt
Billie or something.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
We had Marge.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Everyone else other every other house had that, but we
had the young house mom so we could kind of
I don't know, she didn't care.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
We had always.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Sairly ever saw the house mom. She would like hop
out of that apartment once in a blue moon. But
she was definitely more like a grandma. And she had
this room. It was like she had a little apartment
within the roty house.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, she ate her room I think too, didn't she.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Oh she never came down for like meals. She probably
was like what am I doing.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
With these crazy ours would hang out?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We would, but like we would do I mean, we
had a courtyard and we would people would like smoke
pot in the courtyard.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Oh no, and like but they can't use the word rush, right, Nikki,
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do you remember how we got in trouble, Like the
whole house was in trouble in not in a like
you're busted, but like almost in an embarrassing way, because
people would take their lunch upstairs, eat their lunch and
put their dishes outside their door, like we were at
a hotel and just expect somebody to come pick up
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their their plates.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
And then also there would be like somebody would have
fourteen cups in their room, they'd like take their cups upstairs.
We had at one hasher, but back in the day,
what's a hasher? The hasher was the guy that was
doing the dishes and he worked at a fraternity, right yeah,
or he was like a guy making money. On Mondays
you had formal dinner, so you would sit and I
think he would clear your plates, sure, like a server.
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But back in the day, there would be like ten
hashers and they My dad was a hasher and my
mom was in the sortie and that's how they met
and got married. They came from the law school and
they would I think they had formal dinner, like many
nights a week, so they were always like serving and
clearing like you were at like a four five star restaurants. Crazy.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Really, did you guys have father daughter dances and mother
daughter launcheins?
Speaker 7 (16:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
What?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
No, you had? Oh here's another lingo. We could not.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
We no longer had mom's weekend, which I think this
is for the best because I had a friend who
lost her mom. But if you have two dad's, right,
so you call it role model weekend and you could
bring you know, usually people would bring their moms or
their dads.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I like that you didn't have like a father daughter
dinner auction dance.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
My dad didn't come, we did.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
No, no one did that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
What what your father would fly in just for this dance?
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yes, we have pictures with like the sure printed pictures.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
And it was like a big fundraiser too. There was
like a big auction and they would like auction off
items and then all the dads would like bid on them.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
You don't like Texas? Oh you weekend?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh they're going this weekend, Jen, it's the it's this weekend.
It's still a thing tomorrow first overnight.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
It's huge Texas, So use a big this weekend.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
This is so fun. I never knew about the father
daughter thing.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well, not only that, we do mom's mom.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
There's parents weekend, and there's mom's weekend, and there's dad's weekend.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And parents came to I cannot remember what it was called.
There was bid day presence. Was it called presence?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Said at still before you get your bid at least
in the South or Texas. Gen Literally the moms and
the grandma's are waiting at the hotel for the call,
and they all are a part of that bid day.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And we had this thing where it was mid day
and then a few weeks later you would get dressed
up in like more of a like a sun dressy
type dress and there would be sort of like a
tea and crumpets type of vibe in the courtyard. And
I think moms came, but I think maybe dads came,
I don't know, and they would like present the pledges,
but definitely like moms were there. My mom wasn't.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I don't remember her.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
This is this is still a thing with us too,
Like your mom and your mom and dad come and
watch you, Yeah, get presented for presents. Yeah, and it's
like and it's after initiation. You have to be initiated.
So there's it's you know, like within the first two months.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
They get so different school to school. So I didn't
do that for Rachel either. I don't remember how I mean,
I was there for her. There was a red dress charity,
and there's parents Weekend, but there wasn't I remember any
of that.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Was there any other lingo we haven't gotten to today.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Oh let's see, we talked about house Mother just now.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
We did Hometown Pro and conn nice.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You talked about pr risk, which we didn't have it
back in the day.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
But oh yeah, I can't tell, Like is it good
or bad to be like popular on social media?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
I think it depends on what you post on social media.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
But Lily, I was told with my friend's daughters that
were going through rush that you have to have a
social media following. So I had many young daughters who
had to like literally take days of changing outfits and
posing and this not to like build a social media
almost campaign.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, because if you only have like five posts in
their kind of random, they're they're like, who is this girl?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Where our friends?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
And no love your posting?
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, But if you have, yeah, Like, if you have
like a few thousand followers, and you know people are
like twenty eight to fifty or whatever, people are commenting
on each post and liking them, then it's yeah, I mean,
that's that that bodes well for sure. If there's not
a lot, there's not a lot to look at.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah, I see. I think it would be the opposite,
Like I would want the girl that has no social media.
I'd be like, I want her. She seems cool, girl,
she's mysterious.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I mean, you're going against your I feel like you're going.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I'm an anomaly.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Actually, Well, when it comes to boys, she wants to
make sure that they're cool. When it comes to girls,
they should be misteraious.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
They really need to be top tier. There you go,
I'm gonna hang out with them.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Amy, It's probably good you didn't have a daughter that
went through RUSH, because let me tell.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
You, my niece went through RUSH and I didn't sleep
for a week. And this is a thing we will
talk about this in a future episode, because it is
universal that I think the moms these days are stressing
more than the kid. Like I had a friend whose
daughter just went through and she ended up in a
top house. It went great.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Did you have a rush coach?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
No, we talked about that weeks a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Down we've talked about that and it's still sort of
a debate. But no, she just did her thing. She
got a top house. But the poor mom, who's like
one of my best friends, was just sick all week.
It's just so stressful. And then finally on midday they
just couldn't take it anymore and they're just following the
find my Phone app to see where she's going because
obviously she's too busy to call, and they're just like,
(21:24):
her phone is at this sorority and I go, yeah,
you guys, she's in. Like, no one's taking her phone to.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
The house with that school where my friend's daughter did
not get a house.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, I mean we can shout it out. Cal Poly
is a rough rush.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Now, so is San Diego State.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I mean it's oh, San Diego Steita I heard is
like one of the worst.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
It's so rough. Yeah, cal Poly is super rough, bolder.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It happened to a friend of mine's daughter.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Happened to a friend of mine's too. This year. She
didn't get in, and then she got in genuous open. Yeah,
so she didn't get in, and then my other friend
there's like two best friend. So my other friend's daughter
did get into her top whatever. Then this friend the
daughter didn't get in anywhere and then got in on
whatever that's called.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Cob is way bigger now than it was. All right, Jen, Well,
I think we're out of time. Sorry to be the producer,
but I think we're out of time. But we'll continue this.
And also I think that for people listening, like it
is our goal, even though we sometimes sound icky, I
don't know what to say to really make it truthful
for people listening because we watch these documentaries and you
(22:32):
watch TikTok and you see all these things about rush
out in the universe now, but they're all curated where
we're trying hard to like really answer your questions. So
send us your questions and your criticism. We will read
the you know, we will read the good and the bad.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Amen, you guys, Thank you so much. This was really
I have to say, it's really it makes me feel
really old. This is the topic of lingo, but I'm
both okay, we still love you, lil.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Look at all these words like uber tender ways, ghosting breadcrumbs.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean, that's there's just.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
One that I don't care. And my kids can roll
their eyes. I'm still saying, is that your big sister.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, for sure. I think we're old just calling it lingo.
I think, just by the very fact that we use
the word lingo, Lily's rolling her eyes at us.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I think you guys are great, and I love hearing
your stories about your typewriters and you're white out and
your kids.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Okay, that's enough, Okay, see you guys soon.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Bye.
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