Friends in Lowe Places

Ben and Ashley bring Bekah Martinez on to the show to discuss her opinion vs Garrett Yrigoyen. She shares her personal thoughts about the demonstrations and protests and we find out what Garrett meant when he said she “wasn’t invited over for dinner”.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with her Radio. We're back with another week of the
Almost Famous podcast. I'm Ben. Everybody out there listening, uh,
I think it's it's only best that we take the
top into this podcast um for another week and just

(00:22):
sit uh and say what if you months it's been
I was just getting prepped for this tonight, Ashley, and
I'm sitting here going wow, since Quarantine, let's start. At
Quarantine started, we went from a time of Tiger King

(00:43):
and TikTok videos into uh what else became really popular.
I just remember a ton of Tiger King talk for
a long time, a lot of reruns. I watched the
uh the nineteen Masters at one point and had a
great time doing it. And now we've moved into a
season of what feels like just a lot of learning

(01:05):
and a lot of listening, at least for you and
I and I know a lot of people out there
are saying, Hey, we've been doing this forever. We've been
advocating on behalf of black lives for a long time.
We've been advocating for our friends whose voices get shut
down in the masses for a long time, and and
actually you and I've done that in part right, Like
I spent a ton of my life in Central America,

(01:27):
I work for I run a company generous that our
only mission is to fight the injustice facing humans in
this world. Yeah, the parts of this embarrassed me most
about myself is and and admittedly is even in midst
that being the mission, I've never stopped to focus on
my neighbors next to me and my friends who are black,

(01:49):
saying listen up, listen to me. I'm hurting. And that's
why these last few weeks have been a lot of
learning for me personally. I agree. It's like I said,
last just completely opened my eyes and I just feel
so stupid sometimes for not seeing what was definitely around me.
This week is a podcast uh where were we will

(02:12):
be talking about this topic. We will be talking about
Black Lives matter. We will be interviewing people, especially within
Bachelor Nation, who has really spoken up on the topics. Uh.
And some opinions have been agreed upon by us and
some have not, but we want to hear from them.
This is what this podcast has always been. It's been
a podcast to update people on what's going on in

(02:34):
Bachelor Nation, and we won't stop this week because once again,
I'm like a broken record every dime I say it.
I don't know how it happens. We haven't had new
Bachelor content in a long time, yet Bachelor Nation has
not stopped filling the news waves. Uh. Starting with a
petition that's came out this week. UH. It's hashtag b

(02:56):
I P O C Bachelor. The tag line is it's
time We've seen multiple Bachelor franchise contestants uh participating this petition.
UH and Uh it says forty season, eighteen years. One
black lead, Rachel Lindsay has gone as far to say

(03:17):
that she will exit the franchise if diversity issues aren't addressed.
And that's what this petition is saying, is, Hey, uh,
we need more diversity in the Bachelor. I think it's
I mean, I just think it's obvious, Like the numbers
point to it. You've had thirty total seasons, one black,

(03:37):
forty total seasons. Whatever it is, one black lead. I
don't think anybody's gonna argue that The Bachelor couldn't do better.
I will say that since I've been on the show,
it has been something that I've heard producers talk about
more and more and working on. I don't know the
casting side of things. I don't know how that works.
I don't know the ins and outs of that. I'm
very far removed from that, but I do know that

(04:00):
it is something that the Bachelor franchise really is trying
to focus on. But they could definitely do better. Right. Um.
Rachel says it's embarrassing, honestly to be affiliated with the
franchise at this point. Um, I think that there have
been an increasing number of people of color in the cast.

(04:21):
But she's right about the lead. I mean that that
is a crazy statistics forty seasons one lead. Um. If
you guys do want to sign this petition, you go
to change dot org. And it's a long ago hill.
I'm not going to read out for you guys, but
if you go to change dot org and then you
search a campaign for anti racism in the Bachelor franchise,

(04:42):
you'll be able to sign it. So far, two hundred
and people have signed it. They're trying to get yeah,
you know, and the number will just keep increasing. I
think it's in everybody's best interest. Personally, I'm in favor
of this. There's um and and even talking to the
people who create aided the campaign. There's no like this

(05:04):
is not to try to end the franchise. This petition
was started to bring light to the the topics that
the fans are kind of screaming at the Bachelor to say,
we want to see people um from different backgrounds, who
are different colors, who have different stories on this show.
We're screaming at you now to say do it. And
so that's where this petition started from. But it's all

(05:26):
fans of the show that are signing it and people
who will continue to watch the show. So we started
with that in Rachel Lindsay sayingual exit. We also then
move into Katherine, who is Sean's wife. Thought she was
on the batchelor. She admitted to check a box as
a Filipino woman. She admits this, and this is released

(05:46):
uh in US magazine Ashley tell Us about it. So
Catherine said, as Benjo said, when I was originally cast,
I was very flattered, but somewhat grounded by the fact
that I would be one of the faces that represented
love color. I knew that one of the reasons I
was probably that was one of the reasons I was
probably chosen, was because I was Filipino. I counted myself

(06:07):
out to be his fiance because of what I assumed
Sean liked. I thought that I was just there to
check a box, but the season ended with so much more.
She also said, I became present with the process, and
as he started noticing me for who I really was.
I was allowed this experience to open myself up to
the possibility of fully being loved and appreciated for all

(06:29):
that I was, and I ended up getting to represent
a mixed race community. This week has a lot of
people have been called out. There's been confrontation, UM, there
has been riots in protests, and then social media is
also another platform that people are using to advocate on
behalf of others or advocate their own views. And this week,

(06:53):
Garrett You're going in as mentioned before, had posted on
his Instagram a black box with the blue line through it,
and Becca Martinez and UH came out against Garrett, saying
it was in a sense not the good timing and
not okay, UH so that we don't speak for Becca.

(07:14):
We're actually gonna bring Becca on now UH to talk
more about the Garrett situation and her thoughts and why
she stood up in this. UH and with this environment
to speak against Garrett publicly as promised. One of our favorites,

(07:40):
Becka Martinez, is here with us on the almost from
this podcast. Hello Becca, Hello, how are you guys? We're good,
But Becca, I have some questions for you real quick
before we jump into some of the topics that we
brought you into. Uh, you're really close to your due date.
You have a baby as we're recording right now, I'm
ten days away, um from the could be tonight. Who knows.

(08:03):
I have like a I feel like I have like
a high school, middle school education on how babies are delivered. Um,
I don't know if I have like a wide grasp
of what's about to happen. I do know that it's
incredibly impressive whatever you're about to do. My question really is,
as you get this close, what's the emotion like I

(08:24):
would be scared, like to death about the idea of
pushing a human being out of any hole in my body. Yeah,
that's so fair. That is so fair, honestly. Okay, So
the first time around, you know, I didn't know what
I was getting myself into. And I'm someone who really
likes a challenge. I mean, I did kind of know,

(08:45):
I was doing so much research, watching so many videos
of other people doing it, reading so many stories and
podcasts all that. So I was excited because I like
a challenge, and I was you know, my mindset has
always sort of been like, hey, you know, why do
people do marathons. It's because it's fun to challenge and
push yourself, like to your physical limits. Right. So that's
kind of the way that I've always looked at it.

(09:05):
And uh, and that can answer some people's questions of
like why do an unmedicated birth? And so I was
stoked because I was like, who knows what this is
gonna be like for me? It's different for every person.
How am I going to handle it? How am I
going to respond? Um? And it gives great experience overall,
pretty cool. Anyone can go watch my birth story on

(09:26):
YouTube or my Instagram or to listen to my podcast
Chatty Broads about it. But um, this time around, I
do know what's coming. So I have to say that
this time I'm a little more nervous because I'm like, oh, like,
I know, this isn't a walk in the park. Um.
I I personally think that a lot of your mindset
and mental game can change a lot of how you

(09:48):
experience things, and like, I didn't think that the whole
experience was excruciating. However, it's hard work. Like no matter
what your experience is like, whether it's excrucia, eating or
just like joyful and ecstatic, it's hard work. So I'm
very aware of that going into it, and I'm kind
of like, all right, here we go. But honestly, the
thing that I get most nervous about, like and I

(10:11):
did the first time and this time, is the reality
starts hitting that you are bringing a whole new human
in the world that you have to take care of,
and that should like birth is you know, maybe at most,
at most forty eight hours, and then a child is forever.

(10:32):
So that's the part that that I really feel some
type of way about is like, oh man, here we go.
It's a it's a new person in my life and
a new person that I have a responsibility to take
care of and educating all these different things. So I
guess I have one more question before we move on
to other things. You're having another You're having another at
home birth? Did you do at home last time? I didn't, okay,

(10:54):
but you didn't a birth center so kind of center. Okay, Yeah,
I always encourage people in birth centers because it's a
great in between if you don't feel quite comfortable giving
birth at home, but maybe don't feel super comfortable in
hospital environment. So, um, the birth center was great. The
benefit I feel super confident going into this birth. The
benefit is I don't have to drive anywhere or be

(11:15):
in the car anywhere in labor, and in l A especially,
that is a huge, huge benefit because laboring in the
car isn't fun. So yeah, we're gonna be at home
here in Long Beach is does somebody come and help you?
The midwife? Yeah? So yeah, I do personally don't advocate
for unassisted births, but a midwife has basically the exact

(11:41):
same qualifications, if not a little bit better suited towards
a low risk, uncomplicated pregnancy as uh an O, B
G Y. And there are different types of midwives too.
But anyway, yes, why do why at home? Truly because
of the traffic? Uh? I mean like versus a birth
center versus the hospital? Yeah, versus a birth center like

(12:04):
last time, Um, well we also moved to and so
it wouldn't be the same birth center and same midwife
this time. I mean, we have a home now, and
so it's really comfortable and and uh, for a lot
of women, like their labor can be a lot more
comfortable and progress a lot faster if they're in an
environment where they're comfortable with. I mean, I'm sure Jade

(12:25):
knows all about that. But but yeah, so, I mean
we've got the whole set, We've got the birth tub
here ready to go, all that kind of thing, so
it'll be interesting. Yeah, I'm so intrigued. Hey, thanks for
sharing that, because I could spend about another four hours
asking you questions about being a mom. But come on

(12:47):
and chat about it after I do this round and
we'll see how that person goes. That's really great. Um, well, Becca,
you have a lot going on in your life as
as usual. I was I was prepping for the podcast,
and I was like, Okay, when it comes down to
issues of social justice, civil justice, any type of justice,
um that is is sometimes blinded to me. And uh,

(13:11):
and that's been something that I've I've had to share,
is like some of this I've been blinded to, and
being in this world brings me brings light to attentions
that I have never even thought of I was thinking,
how do I confront Becca because I feel like, if
I'm always if I've ever questioned, I'm gonna lean on
what she's saying because I feel like she's going to
be passionate about it and probably speaking truth somehow, some way.

(13:34):
And then it didn't stop you for advocating and speaking
up on UM, the current and and hopefully not trendy
issue of black lives matter. Hopefully this is a long
lasting issue that I know you and I and and
actually really want this to be something that is advocated for, uh,
for the entirety of our lives. But you responded openly

(13:56):
to Garrett's post, Why you know? That's a good question.
And I've been reflecting on it on the past couple
of days, and look, here's what I'm wanna say. Do
I disagree with anything that I said or do it?
Did I think I said anything wrong? No, what I've
really been reflecting on though I saw a I don't

(14:18):
know if it was a tweet from somebody or what
it was UM. For listeners who don't know, tone policing
is a term that's used when, um, you know, if
a black person is talking about let's say, black lives matter,
and someone says like, hey, maybe if you said this nicer,
more people would listen. The idea behind tone policing is
that black people do not owe anybody the They don't

(14:41):
have the obligation or the responsibility to police their tone
to make their message more palatable to white listeners. But
somebody tweeted and said, on the other hand, though, it's
a white person's responsibility to police their tone so that
other white people will hear them, and and uh and
I read that in the past year, so and I

(15:03):
was like, huh, I really need to reflect on that,
and reflect on how maybe sometimes I do need to
censor myself in order to reach more people instead of,
you know, shutting out the fifteen thousand people that decided
to leave my platform after posting some of the stuff
I posted on my page and so and so, you know, obviously,

(15:26):
the simple answer is my reaction when I think something's
up is I've got to say something about this, Like,
how is no one else said how am I seeing
no other bachelor person say anything about this under this post?
How is no one calling this person out? Well? Should

(15:46):
we take the time to read the statement? Now? Yeah? Okay,
So Garrett posted this on the same day as the blackout,
on Tuesday, the day after the day after after Okay,
so he said, you know the black square with a
blue line through it, And he said in the caption,
I've been pretty torn up the past week about everything

(16:07):
going on. I've listened, learned, helped, supported, and grown with
so many friends and family and law enforcement. I couldn't
sit back and not support them. Um In the hundreds
of thousands of women and men of all races that
represent this thin blue line as well, it's important for
me to recognize the ones who stand in the gap
and put their lives on the line each in, every
single day for humans of different race and ethnicity, including

(16:31):
those who hate them. The thin blue line represents each
officer protecting protesters, properties and businesses while being threatened, attacked, shot,
shot at with, hit with vehicles, and other forms of brutality.
There have been over three hundred injured, shot and killed
in just one week. They are suffering the consequences over
an act that they didn't commit. They continue to put

(16:54):
in overtime away from their families, stay silent while being threatened, hated,
and assaulted. We can't judge in a dia a group
of people by the actions of a few. We can't
judge peaceful protesters by the actions of a few violent protesters,
and we can't judge all cops by the actions of
a few bad ones. Remember when they put on the badge,

(17:14):
they're still humans with raw emotion um and the more
brutality they face, the more on edge they become. They
make mistakes, they have compassion, and no matter how terrible
they are treated, or whatever negative is said about them,
they still show up for us when we need them.
Remember these men and women who hold this thin blue line,

(17:37):
their strangers, friends, family, neighbors, or your enemies, they will
always be protecting us, no matter what hashtag than blue line,
hashtag anti racism, and hashtag anti brutality. I think there's
a lot to go. I mean, there's a lot of
subtexts about this post too. That's like, so beyond some
of the simple I mean, some of the things I

(17:58):
can directly bring up is like, hey, let's look at
the first two sentences, which are about like how he's listened, learned,
helped support it, and ground so immediately he centering himself
in this post. And what bothers me so much about
this is the silence on black lives, the black square
with the few emojis. It's almost better to not say

(18:21):
it at all, in my in my opinion, in my opinion,
because when you're doing that, I find it personally, especially
if you're going on to write a full on dissertation
about the police, you are sort of trying to absolve
yourself of this responsibility of like, yeah, I held space
and I posted this black square, and my work here

(18:42):
is done. UM, and it's to me, it's more of
like a pr move. I don't see how that's providing
any actual solidarity. And like I saw a tweet of
someone saying, like, how are you going to be silent
for blackout Tuesday? Or how are you going to say
you're staying silent when you've always stayed silent? H And

(19:06):
so the issue I'm gonna I gotta say this, like
I am not anti law enforcement. I understand how scary
I'm sure this past week has been for people who
are UM first responders, for people who UM have family

(19:27):
members or loved ones who are cops. Tensions are very
high right now in this country. And I completely understand
um that fear. And I can totally empathize with how
scary it must be right now. The issue that I
have is is that the reason the reason that that

(19:51):
is the case and why these tensions are high is
because finally people are waking up to the police brutality up. Cops,
even if they are the bad apples, are not have
not been held accountable for. And when you don't say
anything about black lives, and then especially on a huge

(20:16):
platform like Garrett has, you're taking up space to speak
about something. If I'm I'm I'm saying this right, but
it's almost like the con the subtext is yes, but
and and and I don't know, that's just it's it's

(20:41):
I find that to be a really big issue because
and and some of the other things he's just saying
as post, Like you know, it's it's not about not
all cops, basically is what he's saying. And and you
know they have issues too, and it's like it's not
just about the or two openly racist cops. Like the

(21:02):
issue is this system. We're over and over again police
officers are not being held accountable by our justice systems
for the crimes that they're perpetrating because of a flawed
system like this, this goes so beyond the whole few
it's just a few bad apples argument. And I'm sure
people have seen, you know, there was that video that

(21:24):
went viral of those two cops pushing this old white
man to the ground, and how those two officers got suspended,
and then all fifty seven of the people, like of
the other police officers that they worked with, suspended themselves
in protest of the two cops suspension. And it's like,
there there are issues here that go so beyond just

(21:45):
one black man being murdered. And I'm sure people have
been seeing all the other names and all these other
instances for police officers haven't been accountable. It's not about
hating cops. But when you take this time to basically
express like blue lives matter, which was the subtext of
his post, you're comparing someone's experience in their chosen career

(22:08):
to someone's experience of being black. And while I'm not
saying that they don't deserve to be safe or they
don't deserve to be respected because it's a chosen career,
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying, don't compare
it to the experience of someone's color that they don't
get to choose anyway he's do you think that he's
he didn't you think that he's insinuating that he's not

(22:30):
saying in blatantly though in the yeah, no, no no, no,
where did he explicitly say blue lives matter. But that's
what I'm saying. The subtext of this is and yes,
but yes, but cops um when nothing was said in
the first place about black lives. And what really bothered

(22:53):
me is a lot of people are saying, like, what
if you have a brother, what if you have a husband, etcetera, etcetera.
He's a police officer, And what I want to say is,
for one, that issue of like you have to imagine
someone in proximity to you in order to value their life.
I already kind of take issue with that. What if
you had a brother, or a father, or a husband

(23:18):
who was black, who experienced police brutality, Like, wouldn't you
be upset about people detracting from this moment when we're
trying to bring awareness to the oppression that black people
facing our country by making it about this group of
people doing the oppression. No, not all of them are oppressing.

(23:39):
I'm not saying that, but you know, they think critically
about about what I just said. I you know, Beck,
it's it's I'm under the impression. I don't think and
I don't want to speak for Gear. We gotta get
him on here hopefully or something. But like, I don't
think he wrote this with ill intent. Yeah, intent doesn't

(24:02):
doesn't really a RaSE impact though exactly. And so my
and I'm saying this to say this because I'm I'm
trying to prove a point. So we you've heard it
obviously both sides now, I'm sure, and I want to
hear from you in a second what the reaction has
been to this. But if we all were saying is hey,

(24:23):
black lives matter, like that they matter, And I think
most people, no matter what your religious political background would be,
would go, yes, black lives matter, hopefully like I don't know,
I don't know what's below that. I don't know what
else you you would say, like, um, I I spoke

(24:45):
with a friend of mine last night and and he's
a he's a black man, he said. The one thing
we gotta be careful of is when these situations of
high tension come up, it's easy for us in this
culture in this world to want to distract away from
it as quickly as possible, to try to be with
good And that's why I said, with good intent, with
good intent to be inclusive to the masses. But what

(25:05):
you do is distract from the message. We've done that
over and over again, and so that's why I started
with I don't think it's bad intent. I do think
it's distracting from the message. And my whole point of
this is black men and women right now, like and
for hopefully, like we said, forever, the stage is yours,
like it's always like we need like this is not

(25:27):
we cannot distract from this, like this message needs to
be talked, preached and yelled. So back to you is
what has the reaction been. Well, I actually just wanted
to peekyback off that and just add one more thing too.
And I think that it's also important to know. I've
seen a lot of people saying like, well, don't speak
on this because you weren't black, or I don't have
anything to say because I'm not black. Well, you know,

(25:50):
Garrett isn't a cop, so but he can still empathize
with that experience, you know, like you don't have to
be something to be able to speak on it. People
have been talking about these variences of doctors and nurses
during COVID, like and nobody says like, are you a
doctor or a nurse? Can you speak to how hard
their experiences? Like what if we start applying that logically

(26:10):
to other areas, Like that's absurd, right, Like you don't
have to experience something directly to empathize or to speak
out about it. So so I just wanted to to
add that on come into solidarity with it, like to
come to try to try our best yet to support Yeah,
you know, it's hard because like I was saying in
the beginning. Um, then I went on my own page

(26:31):
and posted some that I felt like my post itself
like I made myself very clear what I was saying,
and then I also included a very inflammatory photo which
now looking back on it, I'm like, did I have
to know? Probably not, Like do I do I like
disagree with it? No? But did that maybe make people

(26:54):
tune out when they needed to be tuning in? Yeah,
and like go back to what you're talking about with
tone police, right, Maybe I need to I not, Maybe
I know I need to work on policing my tone
to reach more people and there and it's it takes judgment, right,
and it takes learning, because there's a time to speak
up and say no, this is gonna piss you off,

(27:16):
but I'm going to fucking say it. And you know,
a lot of people and someone who's just telling me today,
you know, like Hannah Brown, she lost more followers with
her response, and she did when she said the N word.
Thank you for bringing that up, because I was I
was just going to bring that up. I was just
gonna bring that up. There is a website out there

(27:37):
that tracks followers, how many gain, how many lose, your stats,
all that stuff. In the two weeks that Hannah, you know,
was silent after saying the N word. She she I
don't know the number that she lost, but I do
know that in the weekend of her apology, the long
twenty minute one, she lost more followers after that apology,

(27:59):
and I am called. I've been repeating the stat to
like anybody who will listen over the past couple of
days because it is so mind boggling to me. But
it says it all like that's all I don't even have.
There's so much it avoids over explaining certain things because
like with that's that it just says everything. Yeah, the
same thing happened, I guess um. I mean that that,

(28:19):
like example, between those two of the lots of followers
is so says so much. But even other people, like
I guess um, someone was just telling me today that
Maddie Kruett has been going to protests and like speaking
out and she also has lost a substantial amount of followers.
So you know, there's a time in place to be
like it and if you're going to tune out right now,

(28:39):
like that says a lot more about you than it
says a lot about me. I don't think that was
exactly the case with with um, with my with my
post um. But you know what I'm still seeing though,
is a lot of people who are missing the point.
So then I went on my page and I posted
my my own post, and I was basically talking specifically

(29:02):
about Blue Lives Matter, um, because I also knew that. Uh.
I also knew that Garrett had, based on his Instagram
likes and stuff, supported Blue Lives Matter before. And I'm
willing to bet, yes, this is an assumption percent willing
to bet that he supports the Blue Lives Matter movement,

(29:23):
which is in direct opposition was created in the direct
opposition of the Black Lives Matter movement. Um. But I
was just basically posting about how you know, being you
can't say blue lives because no one has a blue life.
This is just the basic of my argument. You no
one has a blue life. Being black isn't in uniform

(29:45):
you get to remove at the end of day. It's
not something to get paid for. It's not something you
can quit or retire from. It definitely isn't something that
protects you from the justice system, all of which are true.
For police officers, Yes, their jobs are very hard, and
I completely like, I don't know how many times I
can say like I do not. I am not anti
law enforcement, and I support the people in law enforcement,

(30:08):
but just as much I support the accountability of people
in law enforcement and making any move possible to eliminate
and hold accountable UM police brutality anyway. So, I mean,
I just saw a lot of people missing the point
and being like, well, I hope you never have to
I hope you never have to call the cops because

(30:30):
this is what you think of them. And I'm like, actually,
if you read through everything I wrote. Never once did
I say I was in opposition two cops. And I
also got a lot of messages and comments too from
people who said, my father or brother or grandfather, whoever
sister is a law enforcement officer, and I agree with
this message and they do as well. Um, we and

(30:51):
we do not support the Blue Lives Matter of movement
because for so many, so many reasons. So it's like,
I don't know, I've just been it's been disheartening to
see people twist it into kind of their there, into
the message they want it to be, so that they
can hate it. Can I make an assumption another assumption here,

(31:15):
saying blue lives matter is kind of the same these
days as saying all lives matter. Okay, I think so.
I mean, I'm sure people will disagree, but I think
so because because being as again like Ben was saying,
what is it doing? The purpose of it is too
distract and detract whether or not that's the individual's intent

(31:37):
from the Black Lives Matter movement, which is what we
need to be focusing on right now and continuing to
focus on. I do want to make clear that we
did ask character come on here. He couldn't today, I
we want to show both sides to this, and um.
Becca Kouferin, of course, his fiance, said on Friday on Instagram,
many conversations are being had between friends, family members, Garrett,

(32:00):
and podcast crew alike. Because I'm silent on my Instagram
right now doesn't mean that I'm silent in my life.
Have you and Becca spoken? So Becca actually reached out
to me this morning and she asked we could talk
on the phone this week, and I said, like, yeah, absolutely,
and I just and I messaged her and I just said,
um uh, I said totally. And and with that, I said,

(32:24):
I just want to be clear, um, I said, I
want to be fully transparent and let you know that
I don't feel any kind of allegiance or obligation to
caudle any of my friends partners on our offline. But
that being said, I see people's partners of separate entities,
and I don't associate their partner's views or attitudes with
them necessarily, And so I just wanted to let her
know that upfront, and I'm looking forward to chatting with her,

(32:46):
but I just wanted to like, I mean, it's not
really it's I don't it's it's not like I mean,
I know Garrett posted his whole story to like you're
not invited over anymore and all that, but that's what
I was going to ask, so like you're now not invited.
I don't know. I mean, Becca's Becca's Garrett and Garrett's Garrett.
I I love Becca and I have a lot of

(33:08):
respect for her, and I'm really, by the way, looking
forward to her episode chatting with Rachel about this um
and Garrett is Garrett. I don't particularly like Garrett. I'm
not interested in having to dinner with them, and I
do hope that. I mean, it doesn't affect my relationship
with Becca, just to be totally honest, I mean, and

(33:30):
she knows this too. It's not like we've been super
close the past year or so, not for any particular reason,
but that's just kind of how that goes. But I
do think there is a little bit of a misconception
to in Bachelor, quote Bachelor Nation, or like in the
Bachelor Family that like someone you were on both on
the Bachelor, like you are friends or like you should
met because people were like, oh, you should have messaged
Garrett privately, and I'm like, well, I don't know Garrett

(33:53):
and he's posting this publicly, and I think it's fine
to also respond to it publicly. And I don't know,
I I and I just see that that kind of way.
In general. I think it's a little different when you're
close friends with someone, but like in the case of
Hannah Bran too, when someone has a very large public
platform that they profit off of and spread messages from,
I think it's totally fine for them also to be

(34:14):
held accountable on those public platforms by other people in
public positions. Anyway, Well, Becca, thanks for coming on this
platform and talking with us. I'm sorry. I feel like
a lot of that was kind of like disjointed and
my head's kind of been a jump just talking about
this on the podcast the past couple of hours, and

(34:34):
I'm sure I could have been a lot more clear
and concise. But thank you so much for having me
on Where Else can People Find You? Uh? And what like,
what's your podcast called? Where Can They Find You? Yeah?
So podcast is Chatty Broad's and um so Tuesday, uh,
Tuesday the ninth, we will be relea seeing an episode

(34:59):
kind of talking about everything that's gone down in Bachelor Nation,
um of the past week. In the week of George
Floyd's murder, so Chatty Broad's UM and then of course
Instagram to uh, there's always a lot going on there
and the baby's coming soon. I want to wrap this
up by saying that you made a thousand dollar donation

(35:20):
to the National Police Accountability Project in Garrett's name. Can
you talk a little bit more about this? Yeah, I
mean so he called me. He screenshotted my comment on
apparently he blocked Nick, which he hasn't blocked me, so
I'm insulted by that. Um. Instead of blocking me, he
screenshotted my comment, and I wrote this thing on his

(35:41):
story saying like, remember when you told Becca you loved
me and and and you were sorry for everything you
said about me, Like it turns out you never got
to know me and you're not invited over whatever whatever.
And then I responded back to him in our d
M s and our private DM and I just said
I didn't say that. I said sorry for giving you

(36:03):
so much because at the time I thought cared and
I don't think you do anymore. Anyway, He's screenshotting that
and then put that on his story, to which I'm like,
I don't know why you did that because you didn't
really make you look any better and you just now
I don't have to say anything because you did the
work for me. But I was like, do I post
about this? And I'm like, no, that this is that.

(36:23):
I mean, I can be pretty competti, but I was like,
I don't think that's actually accomplishing anything. And that's another thing.
Like Garrett had the time to talk about me on
his stories. We didn't have a time to talk about
black lives matter on his story, so that's all the
same on that. But I was like, Okay, how can
I be petty and productive at the same time. Oh,
I'll just do a donation to the Police Accountability Fund

(36:45):
in his name. And I didn't and you could see
it in really small letters, but I think a lot
of people still caught on and I had fun with
it and was it petty, yes, But I also got
a lot of screenshots from people also donating to the
Police Accountability Fund after, so that was kind of fun
cool way. So that's how I'm That's how I'm going

(37:05):
to be doing my pettiness, moving for the productive, trying
to be more productively petty productive pettiness beca Martinez. Thanks
for coming on the Almost This podcast. You're the best
and we'll talk to you soon. Good luck this week
for you by and just want to refer back to
what Becca and I were talking about about Hannah's social following.

(37:28):
I didn't do the research on it. I read an article,
so because I haven't looked at the numbers myself and
done the math, I don't want to say that has
um lost that many followers in the periods of time
that I refer to, But it is on social blade
dot com. If you can, you can do the math yourself.
It's wild, Ashley, I never even knew this stuff existed.

(37:49):
As you two were talking, I was looking on my
Instagram to see what's going on in my stuff this week. Uh,
it's been an enormous amount of people that have unfollowed me.
I don't I don't know what that says. Let's say
that FOS this week. Yeah, I don't. I don't know
what that says. I don't think it says anything good.
I mean, I'm not mad about it. I think I've
asked people who are are not going to support the

(38:10):
lives of black men and women across the world to unfoled.
It's not really people that I want following me in
the first place. But I didn't realize it was going
to be this many, this many people felt that way.
I mean, I know, I'm boggled, truly, mind boggled. Alright, Ash, well,
let's take a break here. When we come back, we're

(38:31):
an interview some of Shan Lowe's past contestants uh and
uh and hear what they think of their season re
airing on ABC. So you guys know that in uh January,

(38:53):
we had a really cool event. It was our almost
famous podcast live in San Francisco, so many of you
came out and it encouraged us to want to do
it in far more cities across the country. But because
of COVID, we won't be able to do that this year,
so we're gonna do something else. Um adapting to the times,

(39:13):
We're gonna do a live virtual podcast so we can
have a live audience but still say stay still, say still,
stay safe. We're gonna do it on June twenty two,
and we're gonna do it from four to five Pacific time.
It's kind of happy our time, So grab a glass
of wine and talk Bachelor with with us. Ben tell

(39:36):
them where they can get tickets and how much it
costs and how how we're gonna do this deally, Yeah,
this is a big deal. We're super bund that we
already able to get out with you all this year.
We really wanted to, as actually mentioned, So if you're
interested in this once again this June from four to
five pm Pacific time. Ticket price is nine dollars and

(39:57):
ninety nine. Since that's nine, its nine nine tents to
hang out with Ashley and I uh, I'll pay for
a ticket just to hang out with you, Ashley. So
that's the deal I'm gonna make. I'm gonna buy a ticket,
so I'm like everybody else if we're gonna ask our
fans to buy tickets, I'm gonna buy a ticket as well,
just to be able to hear your voice and see
your face live and in person. Here's the ticket leak.

(40:20):
You can go to www dot c y A dot
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y A platform is like Instagram Live meets zoom meets
Netflix Party. We will be able to chat live with you.
We'll have a cool celebrity guest and a live question

(40:42):
answer just like our live shows. It's gonna be great.
It's hey, what else are you gonna be doing? Come
join us June two from four to five p m
once again. The link is www dot c y a
dot live slash event slash two one seven to We'll
see you there and we will be probably talking about

(41:06):
one of the Bachelor the greatest seasons ever? Is that
what it's called? Because I just want to call it
Bachelor's Greatest Hits? Can I on this podcast going forward
for the next time weeks just call it Bachelor's Greatest Hits?
It just rolls off my tongue better. Okay, great, So
we'll be talking about that there and after this break,
we are going to be talking to some of the

(41:27):
girls from Sean Low season, which we got to revisit
last night. Um, and it'll it'll be cool to see
where they are today seven years later. I'm blown away,
blown away that we get this opportunity to reconnect with
some of the people that I grew up watching in college,
some of my after I vividly remember watching this in

(41:49):
grad school. It was one of the last seasons that
I watched before being in the casting process myself. So
I remember all my friends been like, would you ever
sign up for this, and then being like, yeah, I
definitely would, and then being inspired by this and does
this season and being like, Okay, I'm gonna send it in. Well,
take a break, Ashley, and our dreams will come true. Uh.

(42:11):
Talking to some of our Bachelor favorites right after this.
You know what, Actually I talked about it at the
beginning of the podcast. Right now, the Bachelor is coming
out with new content and it's Ashley, what are you
calling it? I'm calling it The Bachelor's Greatest Hits. Well,
the Bachelor's Greatest Hits starts tonight, and as you just

(42:32):
heard the adorable laugh of Ashley Frazier, we have her
on the podcast today. Hello Ashley, Hello everybody. How are you?
We're good? How are you pretty good? Just you know,
living life after So how weird was it to rewatch

(42:53):
your season and have it aired to the public again
when Bachelor Nation is bigger than ever and certain more
vocal than ever. Yeah, definitely. I think it's It's an
interesting time. I think it comes at a good time
because it was a good time to beyond Bachelor, you know,

(43:13):
because it wasn't everyone wasn't invested in social media, and
so people's minds were set a little different than and
you didn't have this like, oh, well, whatever, when I
get home, I'm going to be Instagram famous, you know
So I think that that kind of gives you. Um,

(43:33):
I don't know, it's just a little different way to
think about it, you know. So, But a lot of
people have been reaching out and wondering how I feel
about a lot of things that happened on the show
now that it's been I didn't even know how many years,
you know, So it's interesting seven years have been seven years,
you're a runner up on Shawn's season season and now

(44:00):
you are happily married, you have your second child on
the way. But is it weird to have this older
love story airing now when you're married? Like, what does
your husband think of all this? He actually, he's surprised
me because we don't really talk about it too much
unless someone else brings it up or is watching and

(44:20):
ask questions. But she was kind of like, oh, this
is pretty cool. Like I think he's he realizes it's
been so many years as part of our lives behind
the scenes, so now for it to be on. He's
actually a really good supportive about it. I thought he
was gonna be kind of weird at out, because I'm
pretty sure I would be weird about But then again,

(44:41):
it's so long ago too, so I don't know. Is
he gonna watch it. I don't know. I need to
ask him. He's at work right now, but I was
wondering the same thing earlier. I have to ask, Hey,
might I don't think they're going to show the entire thing,
so um, I'm sure he'll watch. He'll tune in on

(45:03):
some of it. He'll probably give me a hard time
about some of it too. Well, Jessica, my fiance has
zero interest in watching my season, and I don't blame her,
like zero interest. Well, and a part of it is like, hey,
I just think it's unhealthy a little bit weird to
see a proposal to somebody else when you're in planning

(45:25):
on your wedding. But it is always that interesting dynamic
of kind of are you intrigued are you not intrigued?
So back to you, though, are you intrigued to watch it?
I am, because there's a lot of things that I
don't remember, and so I kind of want to know, like, oh,
how is that again? Or you know, what really happened? Um,

(45:49):
because I didn't really watch a lot of my season
because at that point when it aired, I was still
so emotional about everything that it was hard, and so
now out it seems like it's almost almost like it
wasn't me in that space, and so now I'm like, oh,
I come from a totally different way of looking at it,

(46:13):
if that makes sense. Yeah, you know, what, is there
any particular moment in the season that you'd be not
excited to watch back? Oh? Yeah, there there's some romantic moments,
And I know that they're gonna be airing some parts that,
um is that are unseen footage, and so I'm interested

(46:37):
to see what that is. You know. But what people
don't realize is they had they had me cast as
like a serious girl, like mother of the house type person.
But we had a lot of fun and we giggled
and left and it was a lot more fun than
was ever aired. And so I hope that they maybe
show some of those parts too. I doubt it, but

(47:00):
they make you know, they may so. Yeah, asked as
somebody who's seen the you know, the whatever whatever we
call them, a screener, Um, I feel like that's the
only thing I'm disappointed in is that we didn't get
a whole bunch of things that we've never seen before.
I think this was a great opportunity to use like

(47:21):
funny scenes of the girls bonding or yeah, yeah, you know,
like those those moments that you when you watch your season,
you're like, oh my god, I can't believe they didn't
make that into the final cut. We didn't get that.
I don't know if it will be different for the
follow for the you know, following couple of weeks, but
that was my only complaint about it. Yeah, yeah, that

(47:44):
would be really good. And I think the audience wants
to know that too, because they ask a lot of
questions that throughout all these years, they've asked questions of
the behind the scenes or what didn't we see or
what was your best part? What was your best memory?
And so it'd be nice to see other parts as well.
Added in, I mean, they could probably do a whole

(48:05):
new show with the season, right. Yeah. And then with Catherine,
she was like the most dark horse winner. That's probably
one thing that people say to me. One of the
top ten things people say is I saw that for nowhere,
because that came in from nowhere, So I thought this

(48:25):
would have been a great opportunity for them to show
their chemistry before the Top four, because I think that's
when it started to become more clear to us as
an audience that she was somebody that really had Sean's attention.
And I was like, oh, no, they can kind of
show us the depth that they had going into that.
But we didn't get that either, which you know, bummed
me out or maybe my memory doesn't serve me well.

(48:48):
And these were additional scenes that we've never seen, but
there was nothing that really added to the story. Yeah, yeah,
I totally agree, and I would actually like to see
that too, because obviously I was invested in my season,
you know, and um, while I do believe he absolutely
made the right choice for him, um, I just I

(49:10):
still love the love story even if I wasn't the one,
you know, So it would be nice to see. Yeah,
m hm. That brings me to the you know kind
of our final question, did you being in the season
yourself knowing now eight years later it's gonna be played back?
What about desire being the Bachelor at was that a shocker?

(49:31):
Because I think, again I get that question a lot
of desert being the Bachelor. That was a shocker. Yeah,
it wasn't because I knew Lindsay wasn't interested, and then
when we had talked about it, at first I was,
and then I kind of backed out of it because
I felt, um, I think it was a mutual agreement,
but I felt like my husband wasn't there, and I

(49:53):
had several conversations with people, with production people and just
feeling like that wasn't my direction. As much as someone
would want to do that, it's not for everybody. And
what makes that decision hard is, you know, the whole
final after the final Rose, when Sean had told me

(50:17):
whatever he said about his feelings, well, all I kept
replaying in my head was, gosh, what if I got
caught up like that too, and then I accidentally tell somebody,
or I start to have feelings for two people or
three people and I say the wrong thing and I
hurt somebody, Or what if I had to play along

(50:38):
and keep somebody that I'm completely not interested in, but
I have to have seventeen people, or I have to
have ten people. And so I just, deep down inside
I felt like I didn't know how well I could
play along with that, And so that kind of made
the decision what it is. But as far as desire,

(50:59):
you know, people people are pretty shocked because they were
you know, I think everyone tells whomever they're in front of, oh,
you're my favorite. You know, when you're in public, they're like, oh, Ashley, ah,
you're my You're the best. And then Ben, you're the
best bachelor theyre ever was you know, people tell you
that to your face, and so I've always heard like,
I wish you would have been it, and so I

(51:22):
don't know. I think she was good and I'm at
the end of the day, she looks, she's married, she's happy,
she kind of family, and so it was right for her. Definitely. Yeah,
they say it to your face, they say you're the
best bachelor ever. They turn around, they go, yeah, right,
we have so many better. You're kind of saying that.

(51:43):
You feel like because you and Lindsay didn't want it,
that like des was defaulted the bachelor. I don't know,
to be honest, because you don't. I don't. I never
got back story on it, um and I've never actually
sought to ask, but um, I know that they didn't
ask Lindsay because she or they may have asked her

(52:06):
but she was already in a relationship as soon as
she got home, so and then I don't know if
they talked to anybody else from my season, but I
know it was between for sure, between us myself. Okay,
so um, I just want to say one more thing
about this episode. It was so great seeing Lindsay again

(52:30):
because I feel like she was super forgot and then
we got kind of got to see what she what
she's been doing. I think that like a lot of
hardcore bachelor fans follow you on Instagram and they're able
to they've been keeping up with your life and then
with does his life, and then of course Catherine and Shawn's.
But then she was just kind of like a ghost afterward,

(52:50):
and even Chris Harrison was like, seven years, we haven't
talked to you, And it was really nice to see
like she's kind of found her happily ever after. Yeah,
I know she I've been following her from the beginning.
She's one of my favorite people because she's just so
genuinely sweet and kind and I was actually a little
surprised if they wouldn't end up together, her and Sean

(53:11):
because I saw more of her corny, like cheesy side
that Sean has. Then I did friend Katherine. You know,
now we see it from Catherine probably, you know, because
we see it from Sean a lot. But um, I
always thought it would be Lindsay. You know, we not
from the beginning, but like towards the end, I was like, wow,

(53:32):
they're very similar in personality. Yeah, I can see that.
All right. Well, Ashley, thank you so much for coming on.
And it was really cool to you know, catch up
with you. Yeah, it was good to talk to you guys. Bye,
okay bye. One of the best things about The Bachelor

(54:01):
Greatest Hits is we, as Chris Harrison said, we get
to see some of Bachelor Nation's favorites once again on
our TV screens, and our guests today are definitely some
of the favorites ever on The Bachelor. Sarah Herron is
joining us right now on the Almost Famous podcast. Hello Sarah, Hi,

(54:24):
how are you? Guys? So good? We're good? How are you?
I'm good. It's so good to hear your voices, and
it's been forever since we've talked. Definitely, Oh, you're so sweet.
I just wanted to say that it was really cool
to see, like how you were the first person on

(54:45):
the show, I think, who was very open about having
a disability and you and you talk about it so eloquently.
How did like, if you were in somebody else's season,
do you feel like you would be able to be
as comfortable with it? Did? Was Shaun a big factor
in you feeling okay talking about it? Um, It's it's

(55:09):
interesting that you put it that way, because I actually
feel like so much has changed in seven years, and
so much has changed around my confidence and ability to
talk about being physically different and being able to talk
about having a disability. So when I look back on that,
I cringe because I know watching you here talk about it,

(55:31):
you know, like in the recapped version, I know, Well,
it's it's just, you know, so much growth has been
had and and like I said, for me, it's like
cringe worthy to watch it because I just feel like
today I'm able to talk about myself and my difference
is better. But you know, I did feel really uncomfortable,

(55:53):
I'll admit it at the time because it was new
for me to talk about such like personal personal, vulnerable
content with a total stranger, let alone on TV. So
it was really nerve wracking. But I just remember Sewan
was fortunately really comforting and such a kind person that

(56:13):
it made it that much easier. Are you still in
good touch with them today? Are you friends with Catherine?
I am like we I wouldn't say we're close, but
you know, we remained friends on Instagram. And I think
the last time I saw them was at one of
The Bachelor in Paradise after like one of those after show. Um,

(56:34):
remember when they were doing that. So I think that
was like the last one I saw them forever ago. Yeah,
I think that was season and three A Bachelor Paradise. Yeah. Yeah.
What's it like leading up to watching this back? Sarah?
You mean this came out of nowhere. I think for
all of us, all of a sudden, the bachel says, hey,
seasons are coming back on, and we're all like, we
don't get to say okay, uh yeah, well fortunately for me,

(56:59):
I mean then I think you're in a more difficult position.
But it's like it's I'm super nervous. Like I said,
seven years ago is crazy. It's a crazy amount of time,
especially coming from being twenty five years old to now
being thirty three. It's just I feel like I was
a different person, same person, but younger, and so it's

(57:20):
I'm nervous, I'm my stomach is in knots. It's just uncomfortable.
Is Dylan, your boyfriend of three years, gonna be watching
this and this is it gonna be weird for him? Yeah?
So he is going to watch with me. He's never
watched any of my seasons, although in like the last
year or two of dating, I've roped him into watching

(57:41):
with me. Um from time to time. So he's going
to watch tonight. He's not stoked about it. I'll be honest, Um,
I think it's just like a little uncomfortable, and it's
uncomfortable for me. I don't know. I'm like, I don't
want him to see any back then, but it'll be fun.
It's all part of the experience. I want to go

(58:02):
back to your disability for a second. Is it hurtful
to see that they haven't had anybody else with a
disability in the season since years? Um? It's I think
the word I would use is surprising, not hurtful necessarily,
but I guess I'm just surprised because so many people
are living with physical differences in the whole range of

(58:26):
like there's a whole spectrum, right, You can have invisible disabilities,
you can have visible disabilities and UM, and so I'm
a little surprised that there hasn't been more representation. UM.
Hopefully that will change. And I was just gonna say
that it feels very weird for me to call you
have a disability, and then I was reminded when you
just said that you like to call it a physical difference,

(58:47):
which I much prefer. Yeah, I don't know, I just
never Everyone has their own way of of their preference
for how they want to call their physical difference. And
for me, just growing up, my mom and my dad
never taught me to really say that I had a disability.
So for me, I just my lane was physical difference.

(59:08):
But everyone has a different um way that they prefer
to be called. I want to talk a little bit
more about this episode and what what I've seen as
I've seen the screener. I now you're pretty open about
the fact that we were recording this on Monday afternoon.
It's a couple hours away from Sarah being able to
see it live. She didn't get a screener, but you'll

(59:29):
be able to answer these these from memory anyway. We
are really reminded in this episode that Tierra is oh
a little lackey, the most maybe the most extra person
we've ever seen, Definitely craving attention, always getting quote I
don't quote hurt, I don't. I don't know. Maybe she

(59:49):
truly was hurt in those instances. But what was Tierra
like behind the scenes? Is it what you see is
what you get? I'm so interested in this question. This
is like the this is my biggest takeaway from the
whole episode is like this, Oh my god, Okay, are
you guys going to have her on this show? No? So, actually,

(01:00:09):
since you didn't see this, Chris Harrison tells us on
the three hour episode that they had asked and asked
for her to come on and she refused to come on,
So she really doesn't want to be any part of
Bachelor Nation anymore. Yeah, wow, Okay, I'm not surprised to
hear that. But because she's always been that way, it
was like, as soon as the show wrapped she went
silent on social media. It was really, I think, really

(01:00:32):
dramatizing for her to see it play it all play back.
But um, with that said, Tierra in the house, you know,
I remember, like most cases with the quote unquote villain
um sometimes like they're not as bad as the edit um.
And I had a harder time seeing it at first

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because I was Tierra's roommate, so we shared a bunk.
And then when we started traveling, for some reason, Tira
always got her own room. And I don't know if
it was a request she was making or or what,
but she would always be put in her own room
with me. And so like I remember when we got

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to Canada, UM all of the ladies were in one
big bedroom that was like Madeline style with bunks just
lined up. But then Tira got to be in her
own presidential suite. There's mentioned that she had like a cot,
like she was always sleeping on a cot. Maybe that
was separately, yeah, maybe, but just separate. And so I,

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you know, I started to see that draw wedge for sure,
and I felt in an uncomfortable position because I was like, well,
I don't really understand I'm always staying with Tira. I
think I was a little bit of a safe place
for her UM. But then I knew the rest of
the women in the house really didn't like her UM,
so it was really tough to be kind of in
the middle. But I will say it was. It was

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just con cent drama. There was always something that like
Tierra needed attention for, and you know, that's it's just
a weird situation. I had never been put into that.
You know, I don't have I have a half sister,
but I've never grew up with sisters. I've never lived
in a house full of girls. And to just see,
you know, so much drama coming from one person was intense.

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So that with Tierra, then, um, I'm just really intrigued
because we have these villains and I just hate that.
I hate the word villain. We have these characters that
come on the show who are highlighted. I really feel
like leaning into that and if that's not you, then

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you lean into it and show the public that that's
not you. I feel like typically it works out all right,
especially if you're just you know, if you're just a
character that's highlighted because you're extra. I mean, I think
that actually kind of benefits you in the end. So,
you mean, if you're just kind of if you're if
you lean into being unapologetic yourself or if you apologize
but running from the public makes us all go, hey,

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we miss you, or we want to know more about
you or we want to see you. Well, it's just
interesting because she's not really giving herself a chance for
a redemption, you know, by staying silent. It's like she's
kind of just allowing the narrative to continue. And so

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I really I feel like if she took the opportunity
to come forward, especially seven years, seven years, That's that's
what I'm saying. Nobody's anymore. No, Now we think it's
funny and we would love to see where her life
is now, totally. I would I mean, I would love
to know. It's maybe she doesn't want us to see her.

(01:03:45):
I don't know, but yeah, nobody's mad anymore. And now
we're just having fun with this. This is this whole
show is about. Yeah, another another point of your season
that you weren't there for, but I remember so vividly,
and it was fun to rewatch. Well, actually it was
sad to rewatch was Desire's brother and his reaction towards

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Sean calling them, you know, the born again virgin bachelor
playboy so silly. Do you have any idea how that
affected Desiree from continuing on past the top four? You
think that Sean would have kept her around had it
not been the brother And do you know from you know,

(01:04:28):
des his mouth, how like the brother and her relationship
was after the fact, Gosh, I actually totally forgot about that, um,
And I don't feel like I really know about the dynamic.
I just know it was, you know, I'm sure really

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really hurtful for her and probably felt like that totally
jeopardized her experience. But how she had answered today, probably
that it all worked out the way it was supposed to.
So I don't I don't know exactly what how that
all played a part. Yeah, in a way, it's kind
of faithful. Yeah, yeah, the okay Sarah to ended up here.

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I know you have a big night ahead of you, um,
with a lot of with a lot of hanging out
watching some very anxious moments. Yeah, looking back in your
time now seven years later, are you thankfully you've done it?
I tell people this all the time, you know, because
I think a lot of people want to say, like, oh,

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is it worth it? Was it everything that you see
on TV? Um, would you do it over again? And
I always say one changed my life for the better,
and um, it just opened a world of self growth
and opportunity for me. And it was a dream. It
truly was a fairy tale. Like Ashley, I think you

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can relate to this. I grew up watching the show.
I loved it, and going on was just a dream
come true in the way that it's all played out
in my life. I'm forever grateful for speaking about relatability.
I have to throw one thing in there that I
thought of watching this episode, and that when I was younger,
I I wasn't as outspoken as I am today, but

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I was relating so much to Catherine and like her thinking,
I can't believe that I got this guy. I can't
believe like I'm getting my dream man. Her nerves written
all of her face and moments, and then she was
just like, you're so hot, You're so hot, like I
can't believe it, I can't believe it. I'm obsessed with you.
And I was like, that is me. Like that, I
was exactly like her with Jared, and it was just

(01:06:37):
fun and relatable to see a girl just like kind
of geek out over the guy she was with about
how she was when like the entire process, she was
always just kind of like I think, in disbelief of
where she was and the connection she was having with Sean,
and I think she always used to call like a beefcake,
or she goes, I'm a vegan, but I just want

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you to know that I like the beef. Yeah. So
she was like, I gave believe this is happening to me.
So you're right, that is a totally relatable, very human
experience that she got to have. We should ask her today,
after a couple of kids, in a few years of marriage,
if she still calls him a beefcake and if she's
still so obsessed with him or not. That's exactly what

(01:07:20):
my mom said. We should definitely watch. Hey, uh well,
Sarah Herren, We're really glad that The Bachelor had you on,
that you said yes to it, and that you came
on this podcast. Everybody, Once again, this has been Sarah Herren,
and uh hey, good luck watching Actually I've seen it,
but good luck watching this episode. Thank you, Thanks Sarah,

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Bye bye, guys. She's she's always a bright light. Um,
always somebody that we enjoy interviewing, and uh, you know
what it in a weird way, actually this these episodes,
they feel like reunion of sorts for us to have
these people back on who you know, three years ago

(01:08:05):
when we started this podcast, they were like very much
still on the scene, they're very much talked about, and
now it's like, hey, come back on and let's chat again.
It's it's been It's kind of nice, yes, Ben, It's
kind of like watching your favorite chick flick over and
over again, like revisiting these love stories. So if if

(01:08:25):
I'm like thinking, is this show going to be a hit, yeah,
because it's like watching your favorite rom com characters all
over again. And we all know that we do that
whenever we're scrolling through the TV and we see twenty
one dresses, um, my best friend's wedding and the wedding planner. Yeah,
all the good stuff that we love to watch and enjoy. Well, hey,

(01:08:47):
once again everybody out there listening. Uh, if you are
hanging out, which you definitely are, you have the time
come join us. Since we can't come to a city
near you, we have a live virtual podcast on June
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It's nine dollars and cents. You can go to www

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that The Bachelor. We We're just gonna quint to our term.
The Bachelor. Greatest hits are now airing every Monday night
on a BC, starting with Sean Lowe's season. Ashley, you

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to bomb you the best. Let's talk soon, Okay you two,
all right, see you next week. Bye, guys, thank you
so much. And for now this has been Ashley. I.
Oh my god, I messed up ear ending And for
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