Going the Distance with Connor S

Do you want to kiss Bachelor in Paradise Hunk Connor S?  He joins us on air as Ben and Ashley tell you how to make that kiss happen!

We recap this week’s episode of The Bachelor and Ben admits that he has to rethink his front runner for Bachelorette... Peter doesn’t seem to have any strong connections with his contestants. Is that the cast or Peter??

Ben and Ashley discuss Tammy’s “apology” to Mykenna, Chris B’s social media flirting with Katie Morton, and we explore the rumors that Peter fell in love with a producer!  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with i R Radio. It is Ben and I believe
it's Ashley. Is it Ashley? Oh hey, it's me, Hey Ashley.
I'm in Mesa, Arizona right now. We're practicing um for
the live tour. The Bachelor Live on Stage starts on

(00:21):
the thirteenth, and so right now I'm in Mesa in
my dressing room and Ashley you're in Los Angeles. So
we're not together and it's sad. Well, we're gonna be
together on Friday. We're gonna do some podcasts together. It
will be cool. And I will be making a special
appearance at the Reno date on The Bachelor Live Tour. Ben.
People are probably like, why what are you rehearsing? Like?
Are you just standing up on the mic? It's like

(00:43):
a Broadway show, a production you're doing. Can you explain
to people, like what's going to be happening? It's not
just watching a couple of people date. It's like you're dancing,
are you singing? I hope not? I hope. So you
know it's while. So first off, I've had a terrible
flu for three days, so I flew out here on Wednesday,

(01:07):
which was the sixth and for the you know, since then,
I've had a fever. But We've put in like eight
to ten hour days practicing for this tour um so
I'm struggling a bit. So if I start to fall
asleep halfway through the podcast, you know why. But I
took a little break from practice to to talk to
you and talk to the audience. So but yeah, it's

(01:29):
been rough. I've had some some massive fevers. But I'm
glad it happened now and not why we're why we're touring.
So We've talked about a little bit, but I think
now is a really good time to talk about it
since it starts this week. So the Bachelive on Stage
tour was this idea that happened because Bachelor Nation is everywhere,
uh from big cities a small city. So we're going
to sixties six cities around the US. We're picking a

(01:51):
lucky local bachelor from each city and then ten women
that he's lucky enough to date on stage. They will
go through group dates one on one day. They will
have fantasy suites, they will have hometowns, they will have
the hometowns. They'll have hometowns, but the parents are all there. Actually,
this show has thought of everything. I'm not kidding it is.

(02:13):
I went into this when I said yes to this,
what was it seven eight months ago? I was like, oh,
this will be fun. It is a crew that is massive.
The amount of time and effort and money put into
the show is incredible. There they're just they've thought of everything,
and what it's really gonna do is kind of allow
fans of the show to see how the show happens

(02:34):
on TV except live in front of them for two
and a half hours, and possibly see if connections can
be made on stage. It's been great. I would love
to give you details, but you know, just as you
would assume, the show really wants you to have to
come to the show to experience Saturday, and then we'll
come back on the podcast and I'll talk all about
my witness experience. Yeah, it's gonna be wild. I'm super

(02:57):
pumped about it. It's been a lot more than I expect.
I will be dancing. I am hosting with Becca Koufrin.
They're out there practicing right now. I can look at
the screen and see them doing it. Um. But yeah,
it's you know, ash, It's gonna be fun and I'm
glad that we get to go to all these places
around the US and say hi to Bachelor Nation. I
think it's really going to be an experiential trip around

(03:18):
the country for anybody that watches the show. So please
come out and see us at one of the sixty
six cities. You're gonna Bachelor Live on stage dot com
to find a place near you, get some tickets. Very
very cool. Are we ready to talk about hot topics
around on the Bachelor Nation? Yeah? I'm super confused by
some of these, So how about you lead us and
then I have some follow up questions just to figure
out what exactly is happening. Okay, So I'm just gonna

(03:40):
read this statement that Tammy put out to her Instagram
last week, apologizing for being nasty. She says, quote, Okay,
I'm going to address this once and for all. Remember
that this is a show. I do take responsibility for
my action, and I never intended to hurt anyone. I'm
very sorry to those I did hurt, but my heart
was never coming from an intentionally malicious place. I already

(04:06):
don't like this apology because she started out sounding so huppy, puppy. Okay,
I'm gonna dress that lunch and for all um, I
tend to gravitate towards humor in situations like this. Nothing
about that was humorous because I'm not trying to mourn
in the past mistakes that I've made. They're all human,

(04:27):
We're all human, We're all human. All of us have
done things we're not proud of. So please hear me
when I say I never meant to hurt anyone, and
I'm sorry my five minute nasty moment on TV doesn't
define who I am. Respect that that that's me saying respect,
just like how your mistakes went defined who you are. Either.

(04:47):
Remember that all of us who participated in the show
are human too, and some of you say nasty things
to us than we do to each other. Also respect. Okay,
so I get it, Like obviously I get it. Well,
how do you do you feel like this is a
genuine apology, Ben, I think it's a genuine apology. I

(05:08):
just think any apology that turns it back on me
being the victim again is not exactly fair. Like what
do you apologize for it? You're mean to somebody? I
think you own that. And you know, again, we've gone
through this year every year. Every year, fans need to
be nicer to the contestants come on the show. You're
putting yourself out there. It's not easy. But also contestants

(05:31):
on the show, it's never okay for what people say
to you. I will never say you should just ignore
it and just move on and like, don't let it
bother you. It hurts. But please know that when you
start to get these like hateful comments and people start
to troll you on Instagram, with social media, you're on alone.
It's been happening for years, and it's happened to every

(05:53):
single person, and I think that's where this for me goes.
Just know Tammy, that you aren't alone in this well.
Everybody has gotten hate, and so what we should be
talking about is how do we love better and not
how do we eliminate hate more? It's I think love
eliminates hate. And I agree with her when she says like,
don't let my mistakes define me, because I've said some stupid,

(06:15):
stupid stuff on the show too, and I take it
back and I regret. I don't regret like a ton
of actions, but I definitely regret some comments that I
made just being sassy and totally overly emotional in the
interview room. But I do think that she's like not
really apologizing to the girls that she hurt. There, she's apologized,
she's like saying sorry so that she looks better to

(06:36):
the Bachelor audience. Yeah, I mean that's always the That's
always the kind of the way that you value an
apology is why are you doing it? Are you doing
it to actually apologize to the to the women that
were her or two men that you were hurt, or
whoever was hurt in the process. Are you doing it
to enhance your own image? I don't know here. I
don't think you are claiming to know either, but we
will say, just make sure that the apology is coming

(06:58):
from a place of I am sorry for what I
said and I'm sorry for what I did, and then
we all can go. I get it, we've done it too.
But if it's I'm sorry for what I did and
also look how great I still am, it's like, yeah,
I also apologies to other contestants don't have to be
prior like, don't have to be public. I think if

(07:18):
it's a true apology, then apologize in private and then
like you know, if you really if you need that
to be out there that I'm sure the girl will
back you up when you go to film women Tell
All next week, and you know, if they come at you,
then hopefully um Kelsey or McKenna would say something like
she did come to me and apologize privately off camera,

(07:38):
like it was very nice and I accept it. That
would be the best way to go about things. That
would be awesome. I would love if sometime on Tell All,
people are like, hey, we've talked off camera without any
cameras because it was such a big and prevalent issue
to us, and we've resolved it, and we come here
today just to tell you that adults still exist on
this show, and adults really do care about each other

(08:00):
on this show, and we're gonna move forward even though
it's hurt. That would be an amazing moment and I
would love to watch that, and I hope it goes down.
Uh this time on Tell All, the best way and Tammy,
if you're listening, it's the best way, alright. Moving on
Bachelor lum Crystal Nielsen calls the show environment toxic. I
would say that to each his own when it comes

(08:23):
to calling the environment of the show any word, any
adjective to be honest, because like, I would never have
thought it to be toxic, but Crystal didn't have a
great experience on the show, so for her it was toxic.
Her quote is, it's so crazy watching The Bachelor because
it feels like such a toxic environment they're in. Honestly,

(08:44):
I think it's really scary, and I think that in
this case, Crystal is alluding to this currencies and of
The Bachelor, which I also think it's toxic. I think
that these girls are out for themselves. There doesn't seem
to be many genuine relationships being formed. Seems like a scary,
cold place to be. It feels like contestants from the past, Ashley,

(09:05):
and tell me if I'm wrong. This is a if.
This is what Crystal saying is that this season feels
toxic to be in that house. It feels like, for
the first time in a long time, contestants are starting
to speak out and saying I could not be in
this house. This house doesn't feel fun. Yeah, DeBie and
on Twitter, Yeah, like that's kind of what's being said
from most people that have been on the show before, right,

(09:26):
Like this is the first time that people watch it
and go there's not one moment I've want to be
in the house. UM, I use it like not at all.
Dread staying home when there was a group date or
a or one one going on. I was like, Oh,
I'm just gonna hang out with my friends today. Sounds
not bad, but these girls, like God, if I didn't
get to escape from them, might be very sad. She

(09:46):
continues by saying, seeing all this stuff come up from
contestants now, like blast from the past, means that anything
could be exposed on the show now, especially how they
are leaking everyone earlier. Um, that is very interesting becau us.
There are some stories that are being drudged up about
these contestants, like um, Sydney had to go have all

(10:08):
those photos from her yearbook come out last week, and
people were insinuating that she wasn't actually eating lunch alone
in a bathroom stall because of the pictures. And then
of course there's stuff about Victoria floating around on the internet,
and I think we'll learn more about that next week.
And there was Victoria's white Fish Lives Matter campaign. So

(10:28):
all this stuff probably I don't know if it's creating
a toxic environment in the house, but it's definitely making
life Social media like makes life better and harder for contestants. Yeah,
I mean, I think I think it's it's just like
everything else in life. As we're young, we're gonna make mistakes.
How do we overcome those mistakes? How do we learn

(10:49):
from our mistakes? It's it's the whole Kevin Hart thing, like,
are you going to criticize me for things years ago?
I don't know. We haven't answered that question as a
society yet, Like nobody has answered if like society will
still judge you for the mistakes you made fifteen years ago,
even if you've moved on and grown. Um, I don't
I don't know how to answer that. I'm not gonna
even weigh my opinion. But it feels like now on

(11:10):
this show that will be a common theme will be
which one of these contestants has something from the past
that we're gonna have to try to either forgive them
for overcome. They're gonna have to overcome, but we'll have
to be brought up to the public while it airs,
and every contestant from here on else has to know
that going in that this is that their dirty laundry

(11:31):
will be spread once they say yes to be on
the show. It. I think it will add a whole
new element. Hey, actually, I want to pause you here though,
and I want to get into it later, so I
don't want to answer, but I want to tease this
for our listeners out there later on the podcast. I'm
gonna ask you this question. I'm wanna have you answered, Okay,
based on Crystal's synopsis that it's a toxic environment, is

(11:55):
that due to the women or it feels like right
now Peter Webber is getting the criticism for allowing this
toxic environment to continue to come up. Whose fault if
we have to blame it on somebody? Is it? We'll
talk about that later on in the podcast. Also, I
ask all of you listeners to please write us at
Ben and Ashley I heart media dot com and let

(12:16):
us know your opinion before you even listen to the
second section on what our opinions are on that. Hey, actually,
next topic, Chris Bukowski was being flirty with Katie Morton
on Instagram this week. She posted something along the lines
of like, where's the favorite your favorite place that you've
ever been to in the world, and then Chris coming
underneath it saying your house I know, so does that

(12:41):
means that's heavy? I know, you know it was annoying.
I saw that his comment literally moments after I left
being with Katie, and I could have asked her, well,
I guess I could have always texted her, but what
is what is her like? What is her feelings for Chris?

(13:01):
Like do you feel like after being around her? She
probably took this comment and laughed and giggled like, oh, Chris,
you're funny or is this like is this gonna hurt her?
I mean, if I was engaged, Okay, so let me
go back to my relationship from this show, and I'm
what two months off of the breakup and this was said,
I would be so confused, like so confused her disheveled

(13:26):
that that was said after it like, I don't know,
I just don't feel like when you're engaged and you
break up, this is the type of stuff you talk
about and say. I guess it leads us as an
audience and not like if we weren't friends with Katie
and I couldn't just text her. Um, from an audience
point of view, I would see that as like they're
they're talking again. Right, Let's let's start the rumor in

(13:49):
the almost from his podcast that there is a possibility
that Katie and Chris are potentially maybe talking based on
this comment, Tor is, she knows stuff and she's looking
at me and I'm not going to call her out
or put her on the mic, but she's like laughing
and she's she thinks we're off bass. I'm just gonna

(14:10):
tell you that. Well. Hey, anyways, it's a story. We
talked about it. Chris Bukowski is flirty with Katie Morton
on Instagram. We have we have no idea next story.
Nick File wants Demi Burnett. Also Deemi Burnutt sounds so weird. Um,
she's Demi not Lovado to me. So Nick wants Demi
to lead the Bachelorette and to have both female and

(14:34):
male contestants. Obviously, Nick and Demi are quite close, and
I like the idea of it. I definitely think that
she should be in the running. There's a lot of um,
I don't have a good word here. I'm gonna call
it messiness. That could happen if Demi, who is somebody
who's sexually fluid, is the lead, you would supposedly in

(15:00):
need straight guys, like half straight guys and half straight
girls to be the cast, because if you castid fluid people,
you would run the risk of them falling in love
while they're in the house. And I guess that is
something we could be open to as well, but it
definitely changes the structure of the show. Yeah, I mean
that happened a few years ago. I remember talking to

(15:22):
I think Lance Bass was the host of it. I
forget the exactly. Yeah, I was on cable and it
was just for gay guys. Yeah, And we remember talking
to Lance about it, and that was a legitimate concern
from production of how do we keep people from falling
in love with each other in the house, because that's
not the concept of the show. Great, if it happens,
connections are being made, people are falling in love, but

(15:42):
it's hard to produce and tell a story when there's
so many different storylines that could be kind of coming
to fruition within the house. I think Demmi would be
I mean, think about this. Demmy went from being on
Colton season to kind of being the we never knew
what the caller. She wasn't the villain of season. She
just like was the one that would kind of like
stir up havoc or like was always kind of commenting

(16:05):
on things to them being on Paradise and having a
beautiful story that Batchel Nation celebrated with her to now
being a front runner for Bachelorette. It is as much
of a transition on the show as anybody we've seen.
I mean, maybe since Colton Underwood. Colton Underwood went from
being like kind of yeah, maybe bachelor, but there's more

(16:26):
people that will probably pick above him, to going on
Paradise and kind of having an a great storyline, and
then all of a sudden he's Bachelor and beloved. Demi
has made a triumphant run towards the top, and her
name I think is probably legitimately up there for Bachelor.
I think she's in the top. I think she would

(16:47):
be maybe even above anybody from this season. I think
you would be her and Hannah Brown right now. I
don't know how. I mean, we'll get into a layer
another tease for later on the podcast. I'll ask actually
who her top choice for Bachelorette Bachelorette is right now,
because I I don't know, like when neither nobody knows. Uh,

(17:07):
we'll talk about that later, but yes, I'm with you
Ashley Demmy has to be up there all right. Our
last season news for the Week is is a conspiracy
theory that is absolutely not true, but I think it's
humorous enough to discuss it on the podcast. Some people
are speculating that Peter ends up with one of his producers,
and this producer is um his like one on one producer,

(17:30):
the producer that sticks around with Peter all the time.
People are looking through way too hard, thinking that he
ends up with her and that I don't think it's
going to happen. Well, actually I know it's not happening.
I can confirm it does not happen. Well, here's the thing,
how does this even start? Because every year you get

(17:51):
off the show and you have a one on one
producer if you're the bachelor of the Bachelorette, and you
spend a ton of time with him, and you go
to all these cool events with him, and you'll go
to a war shows with them, and you go to
the New Yor's Eve thing with them, Like this is
not uncommon. It's happened for years at least since I've
been on the show. How did this rumor start? Okay,
so I have I have the points the bullet points.
Filming wrapped on November and this producer went to Sydney

(18:16):
with another producer. Potentially why Peter's mom is saying bring
her home because l A is home to both of them,
and said producer is still in Australia. Meanwhile Peter is
back in l A. It's not until the producer returns
to l A that things get serious two weeks later.

(18:38):
I think they reconnect figure things out the nightclub in Vegas.
There at a nightclub in Vegas with other bachelor people, um,
and it gives them the opportunity to go slow in
public with people that they trust. They are both in
l A this whole time, no need for a safe
house visit because they can just say they're getting their
meeting up because it's work another who's who's reporting? And

(19:01):
these are like, I think, a collective amount. This is.
This is a compilation that Women's Health magazine put together
based on lots of people's research on rendit WI. Should
I continue, Uh, just tell us a little bit more.
Let's summarize this here because it's confusing, so let's summari.

(19:23):
I'll summarize. At this point, the rumor has started, it
has spread everywhere. If you google Peter Webber's name right now,
it's one of the first articles that come up. And
it's not just one source that Peter Webber actually falls
in love with his producer from the show and they
leave the show together. Ashley is claiming that it's definitely

(19:44):
not true. Pause, you actually and say, why are you
so confident? I'm confident because I have um, I have
people that I know in the production team. Just shocking, right, Yeah,
I know it would be a lot more fun to
go through these bullet points about how they could lead
into a relationship together if I didn't just tell you

(20:07):
that's absolutely not true, and you just know we can
we can stay here on the almost from his podcast
that we will source this and say it's absolutely not true. Well,
then again, my source and production could be totally throwing
me off. He has produced me for many years. Oh
my gosh, this is also scary and confusing. Right now,
we'll say that based on our knowledge, Peter Webber is

(20:29):
not fallen for his producer, but production and the people
the Bachelor have kept better secrets. My source did say,
isn't that just so silly or like so ridiculous? They
never really said a hard note. Now that I think
about it, Ashley, I think we need to now reverse
our claim and say it could be true. Producer Tory

(20:53):
just sent a little piece of paper over my way
and it says that this producer created a pinchers board,
a wedding and travel themed pinchest board the night the
show ended around that time. I don't know if that
means anything. I think, if anything, it would be her

(21:14):
planning Peter and whoever ends up with wedding. I have
zero comment on this. I know is that really evidence?
I don't know anymore, Ashley. Now now I'm confused. And
if that's the way this show ends this season, I'll
tell you one thing, it will be one of the
most dramatic, crazy, wild things I've ever experienced in my life. Hey,

(21:39):
that's We're gonna leave this topic because I don't know
what to say. That's the hot topics for today. Let's
take a break and we'll come back to break down
Peter's episode in Lima Pru of The Bachelor. This. I'll
be honest, this whole Peter with the producer, the thing

(22:00):
is really mess with my head. So you can't get
out of my head. You guys. I just went back
and I read the text from my producer friend and
I sent him a screenshot of the allegations and I
had like two laughing cat emojis because I thought it
was just so silly. And he responded by saying, it's
all over the internet exclamation mark, and I said, so funny.

(22:25):
That's that's all. That's all that happened. That was from that.
When you came into this podcast, you said, it's so
not true. That's what you said, Ashley is moment detective. Yeah.
I was gonna say this moment you need to sit
down and learn from your assumptions and how you're reading
situations and go you got confident that that wasn't true
based on that right there, which would make me go,

(22:48):
oh wow, oh wow it is true. That would make
you go, wow, it is true. It's probably true. So
what I think. And you, guys, there's also a picture
of them with his family on New Year's Eve and
there's some Reddit speculation about how she detagged herself or
something from it. How much do you feel this as

(23:08):
spoilers now? I mean, should we stop at this point?
Because I feel like, if it's true, we're spoiling the
whole thing. If it's not true, then I don't know.
But during our break, Tore said something really funny. She's like,
what if Chris Harrison interrupts that final rose ceremony as
we see in the scenes for the next episode, and
he said, we all all production just found this out.

(23:32):
Your producer just left because she can't handle seeing you
get engaged. Oh my gosh, I don't know anymore. I
don't know. Team, We're gonna have to put it, like
at the beginning of this podcast, say like, the first
twenty minutes of this is us speculating that something might
be true that we have no clue for it is

(23:52):
because if it's true, we just spoiled the whole entire season. Well,
you know it was bound to happen one day. Gosh,
dang it. All right, let's get into this episode. We
find ourselves in Lima, Peru, one of my favorite places
in the world. The food is amazing, the scenery is great,
and Peter is hoping at this point to get out

(24:13):
of the drama that has led him here to South America.
We find him face timing his mom. It's a sweet
moment um. So much of what we've seen in the past.
I think it's a good moment for us just to
see where he's at and what he's in touch with.
His mom is is obviously back in the US Peter
at this point. Actually, it's it's healthy for me as

(24:35):
a viewer to watch. I feel like every episode I
expect to see him just like in tears, in the
fetal position in the corner, being like, I don't want
to do this anymore. Every episode and every day, I
feel like he has a great way of kind of
starting over, compartmentalizing what happened in the past and football player, Yeah,
it's weird, right on the next play, onto the next play,

(24:56):
onto the next game. I'm worried about Peter though, starting
with his entrance into the girl's hotel room. He's obviously
realizing how uh hard this has been. And here's my
thought right now, it's not been a secret. I'm a
fan of Peter. I think Peter has made some some
poor decisions along the way. I think kissing girls in

(25:18):
front of other girls is not great. I think he
could have put his foot down. But other than that,
Peter is a nice guy and that's really all we
want from the show. Is to see a good guy
or a good girl find good love. I'm a fan
of Peter Webber. I don't hate Peter Webber at all,
but here's my thing. I'm worried. Once he walks into

(25:38):
the room, that rerealized for the first time just how
much of a disconnect there are between him and these
women up to this point. Usually, when it gets down
to this many we are vested into a couple of
relationships at least, and we are familiar with every character
and we understand their stories and what their struggles are. Actually,
I watched him walk into that room and I feel

(26:00):
like he is he is almost the stranger walking into
a room full of not friends, just like acquaintances, and
it feels weird watching it back. The only person I
feel like he does have something genuine and strong with
is Madison, and we see him take her out on
their um on a date. One on one is their

(26:22):
first one since week one. Technically it was episode one. Yeah,
and I mean she she's she's so far, so far
beyond any other girl if when it comes to connection, Yeah,
that's that's obvious. I watched this date. I'm like, this
is a date, This is the funny part. Actually, their
date felt like a date that we typically during a season,

(26:45):
see like two weeks ago and most of the dates,
like it felt like the date where it's like, oh, yeah,
they're into each other, this is good. This happens with
like two or three different girls. Now it's just like
one good date on this show, and we're all like, oh,
there it is. It's all over. Oh I mean, I
kept saying like it's over, like just send everyone else home.
It's not even close. So, I mean, I have a

(27:09):
total theory that the scene to the next episode or
the coming episodes lead on, but we'll get there later.
Here's my thing with this date, though. There's a big
moment this date that bothered me. Okay, so it's the
cocktail hour or the dinner party or whatever they do
at the end, and they're sitting there and and Madison
obviously has a very strong faith. Her faith is really

(27:32):
important to her, and my faith is very important to me,
I know, along with many other people who have been
on the show. And as you start to pursue somebody
and you start to get closer and closer to the
end if you're going to continue a relationship with them,
these are the kind of conversations that you have to
have um almost early on and continue to build off

(27:52):
of faith, family, what you hope for, for what you
dream of, what your childhood dreams are, what you're pursuing
in life, like, those are important conversations, and the really
this one for her I was excited to see. And
she comes into it and says, Peter, here's why I'm matt.
Here's what I really want. My dad has led our
family in this way. Uh, and it's been something that

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I've always wanted in a husband, Peter admits, which I'm
glad he did. Hate Faith is something I have, but
it's not been something that I put on the forefront
of my life. I think he just says it maybe
it's something that I would like to get better at,
which if I was Madison at this point, I'd say, Peter,
it's gonna be hard for me to commit to you until, like,
if this is that important to me, until I see
that right and this is a huge thing. All he

(28:35):
says to her is I just want you to know
how into you I am, and she goes, that's all
I need to hear. I'm like, that doesn't make sense.
We're talking about faith and what you want in the future,
and a guy says he's into you, and then it's
all good. No what what he said? Yeah, I think so.
I think he was like, faith is something that I
really want to get better at, and I'm excited about

(28:57):
possibly being with a woman who could really um strengthen
that department of my life. And then she was like,
that's all I have to hear is that you are
willing and excited about it becoming a bigger part of
your life. Okay. I mean, I just felt like that
conversation was one that was a big one. I felt

(29:20):
like it was one that could have gone a lot
of different directions, and I feel like it just settled
out to like maybe I didn't feel like I learned
anything about them other than that they're not really on
the same like page during that conversation, Like I felt
like that was one that was really going to make
or break this relationship, and I just felt like I
left it going it was okay, Well, I think we'll

(29:41):
see more of it next week when we go home
with him um with her and he's going to have
a conversation with her dad about this. Cool. Well, hey,
I'll be looking forward to seeing I know the woman
in the house. We're talking about Madison's faith and just
how important it was to her. So uh kudusa Madison
for being herself no matter where she's at during this experience,
and I'm glad uh that she brought up the Peter.

(30:05):
But at the same time, we'll flash back to the
house whether where the woman are hanging out during Peter
and Madison's date, and we find Natasha, who is yet
to get a one on one. She's a little bit
distraught and upset about it, but hey, don't fear Natasha,
because Peter is coming through with a date card that says,
let's explore for the second one on one date of

(30:25):
the episode. There's like an equation to this episode every
year now. It's like to one on ones with two
shoe ins, that being Kelsey and Madison in this case
one day with a girl you're gonna dump, and then
the three on one, which is you know, always up
in there. I can't imagine to this point being Natasha

(30:49):
and having people get to one on ones multiple times
before you can get one. Like at that point, don't
you think you're saying it's time for me to go
like this just isn't working for us. Yeah, I would
say that, right, Am I wrong with saying like, hey,
I'll speak for contestants out there and say that if
you don't get a one on one within the first
I mean, I don't even know how many weeks we

(31:10):
are now in week seven, Like, this probably isn't something
that you're gonna want to invest too much more into
unless you're just having a good time. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah,
I mean if it were if it were me there,
I probably just send myself home on the date I thought, Peter,
you know, I thought, well, yes, And I think that's
kind of what happened, honestly. I mean, it felt like

(31:31):
they sat down at dinner, Natasha pretty soon knew that
it wasn't going in a great direction. Peter knew that
I was just trying to get her to a place
where she understood. And then they mutually parted ways. They
had a great day out. I wouldn't say they mutually
parted ways. She wasn't happy. She wasn't happy. She wasn't happy,
and she was like, oh, I know I'm going to

(31:52):
find someone. I hope you do. Yeah, it was kind
of interesting after her comment on. You know, I got
my my ex broke up with me because I was
too intense. And then she's like, yeah, I'm gonna find somebody.
But that wasn't that wasn't in this moment for me,
I was like, oh crap, I know if I was Peter.
All of a sudden, I be thinking back in my head,
I hope I find somebody also, because now I'm nervous
not won't well. Good thing for Peter. Kelsey is still there.

(32:16):
Madison is still there, Hannah and is still there he
couldn't stop thinking about during that date. Huh. He couldn't
stop thinking about Madison during that It was good. I mean,
and I get it. When you're in love love and
some dates are better than others, it's hard to compartmentalize.
Now at that point, you almost at this point, Ashley,
during the season, I think it happens with everybody I

(32:39):
talked to. You start to feel like you're cheating on
the women that you care about because you're out on
dates and you're kissing other people when you are definitely
falling harder for some Now you can't just totally say hey,
it's over at this point because you still want to
explore and you still I'm as it looks like in
Peter season. There's still surprises around the corner, but need

(33:00):
to stay open to But you do. It's harder and
harder every week. Well, hey, the third date goes to
Kelsey the day card Reid's love is a wild ride, Ashley,
what do you think of this date? Well, they go
on a t V s up a mountain and he
is really expressing how much he loves doing stuff like
this and can't wait to do the stuff for the
rest of his life with a wife. And he tells

(33:22):
her this. I'm like, so Kelsey, She's like, m hmmm,
I'm like this sounds like a nightmare. I don't think
she wants to do that for the rest of her life,
but she's gonna plow that off of the side. But
I like Kelsey a lot. She has a lot of depth.
She is so not afraid to talk about her family life,

(33:45):
her emotions. I like the way she said that how
she wants to be home half the week and she
wants to work too because she wants to prioritize the kids.
Like that. Um. I like the Well, it was kind
of shocking the way that she came out and said, Hey,
I have a relationship with my dad as of now,
but I haven't told my mom. So this is kind
of like something that's between you and I and hopefully

(34:06):
it doesn't get brought up next week. That was something
so intimate personal that we don't often see. How do
you feel about that? You think that she should have
talked about her She should have talked to her mom
about this before going on the show. Typically, that's how
I would say it. You know, we've had moments like
this in the past. Typically I say, now, here's the

(34:28):
other part of this actually is, and I've been I've been.
I go back and forth because one of it is
is she's falling for Peter. What she obviously is. Then
this is a conversation that she would definitely want to
have before Peter met the family. She should definitely have
had the conversation. And I think it's okay because I

(34:50):
think that she's going to get off the show and
she's going to tell her mom right away. If anything,
she might tell her mom next week during Hometowns, and
it's but I do always feel like it's just hurts
me a little bit. I think Blake Hortsman was the
last time I really felt like this was heavy. Like
when stuff like this gets said, you know your family
is gonna watch it, and it just like stings a

(35:11):
little bit because I'm like, I'm just worried for what's
going to happen in the background with the family. Like,
but at the same time, maybe bring some conversations to
the surface that need to be said and need to
be talked through. But it is heavy, and as viewers,
we need to respect that that is a heavy moment
and not just like use it as our entertainment. But
know what it takes for somebody to sit there across

(35:33):
the table from somebody they're falling for on something they
know will be viewed by millions, But they're kind of
probably forgetting that at this point because they're so infatuated
with who this other person is and they tell us
something this intimate and this detailed. I don't I'm not
asking every contestant to do that. I don't think it's
fair of us to expect every contestant to do that.
I don't even think that most contestants have situations like

(35:55):
that that they're dealing with it on I agree, but
I'm just saying, hey, Kelsey, you did it. Bachelor Nation
is behind you. Um, it's just heavy. It's a heavy
moment that we were witnessing. But as we find out,
we're going to find out next week because she is
going to hometowns, but one of these girls is not.

(36:17):
Let's take a break before we talk about the Hannah
and Victoria and Kelly three on one day. Before we
talk about the three on one date with Hannah and
Victoria and Kelly, I want to tease that in a
little bit, uh, Connor Saley, who was announced as the

(36:39):
Bachelor live on stage Bachelor in Los Angeles, will be
coming to the Almost Famous podcast today to speak to
us about that experience, what he hopes for, what he
dreams of, and if he could potentially find his soulmate
live on stage in Los Angeles. So tune in after
the episode breakdown and we'll give Connor a call. Ashley.
Three and one day happens. It's not unexpected, Necessarily, we

(37:02):
knew something like this was gonna happen at some point.
It just feels like a mixed bag of emotions from
every person there. But the one that doesn't have a
mixed bag of emotions is Kelly, who No, I'm interested
to hear your breakdown of Kelly. Kelly, why did you
have to do this? She I've been saying the entire
season that she's like awesome, but she doesn't even she

(37:23):
doesn't self describe that she's awesome. Right, she doesn't show ego,
but she's smart and carries herself beautifully with confidence. And
then this time she got huber Is struck. It's weird, right, Yeah,
I'm a lawyer, the other girl. I'm always bad at this. Again,

(37:43):
I know it's the thing that you guys always get
on me. I'm always bad at kind of judging the
situations because I'm so sensitive to like that just kind
of arrogance or like self describing or that kind of thing.
Like I'm just very sensitive to I know that. So
I've stayed away from even like commenting on it. But
so I didn't know how you were gonna read the situation.

(38:04):
Batchelor nation was going to read it, but I was
watching the whole time, like, Kelly, what are you doing?
This feels like unlike you. And again it hit me
as soon as she says I'm a lawyer or I'm
an attorney, like kind of like I'm better than everybody else.
And at that moment, I said, WHOA, at what point
now are we putting ourselves in a scale based on
our career paths? Great that you've accomplished that, that's a

(38:27):
huge deal, Like, I'm super impressed. That's not something I'm
smart enough to be able to pull off, I think.
But but Kelly, Like, let's that that all of a
sudden set me back and one of my favorites all
of a sudden starting to be one that I wasn't
rooting for on this three on one day. I know
everybody loved Kelly. It seemed like such an undeniable thing
about amongst Batchelor nation. There were so many memes out

(38:48):
there saying like the diamond and the rough right. Yeah,
but she she did a little bit for herself this week.
I can't believe that. She said, I'm an attorney, and like,
what are these other girls as if? Like your job
defines your character? That hurt That hurt me, That felt weird.
Now here's the thing actually we're gonna talk about in
a second, I'm gonna just hint at it again. Up

(39:12):
until this point, Kelly was definitely my front runner to
be Bachelorette. I think now this is the last time
we see her during this season. Obviously, I think it's
a very clear picture that she will not be the
Bachelorrette Well, moving on from Kelly to talk about Hannah
and Hannah and uh And and Peter have the very
first conversation. This was was uniquely special for me Actuley

(39:35):
because it was one of those moments where I did
start to really get behind Anna and and I thought
her note to him was a sign that she's trying,
still not there yet, still not on the Madison level,
but trying. Yeah, I like go I'm a flip flopper
with Hannah An. I've never fully really liked her, and
I've also well, I guess at the beginning I fully

(39:56):
didn't like her, but I still she's very hard for
me to get to know, like I feel like she's
hard for Peter to get to know. I did like
her letter, it was very sweet. Um, I still am
not I'm still not sensing um a connection that goes
beyond the physical, right now, can you? I mean no,

(40:21):
I mean I think that's the thing I was saying earlier,
to like, there's really only one person that I'm sensing
a connection with and that's Madison. Like everybody else, it
feels like really good still first dates. Yeah, like a
girl that you like, not a girl you're falling for,
a girl you like. Yeah, like a girl that like,
Oh I'm interested in. It's not a bad thing, it's
not like unhealthy. It's just like, no, I don't know yet.

(40:43):
That's how I feel about most of these situations. Hannah
ann was this this note and this time for them
to kind of sit down and discuss what she was into,
like what she appreciated about him was a was a
good moment this season, which here's the kicker. Most seasons
it would just be another moment, but this season it
felt like like a good moment, so true, Like how

(41:05):
many times do girls come to the guy with letters
all the time? Yeah, I have. I'm very neutral and
Hannah and during this conversation or not just part I
still don't know her, here's a crazy part. And not
to compare, I just was thinking about this the other night.
This episode was the episode during my season that I

(41:25):
let go of Becca, Tilly and the last Ferguson twin
Like that to me, those women were like huge pieces
of my life. Becca is still somebody that I wouldn
strow all my best friends who I love dearly, like
Emily was a big part of my season, who I
got to know very well and who I root for.
And I look at these women going home this week

(41:46):
and I'm like, yeah, they still aren't like they're not
even close. And I don't know if it's about them
or whatever, but you gotta think Becca Tilly went home
this week during my season, and Becca is Becca, you know,
I know, isn't that crazy? That's wild? Yeah, you guys
got really close, really close. She's the best. I love

(42:07):
that girl. So the most mind boggled from my season, Ben,
The most mind boggling part of this episode for me
was definitely a Victoria f because their conversation went so horribly.
She said to him that he's always in a mood
when she's around. No one must have been a whole

(42:31):
other conversation that happened that we didn't see. Because he
gives her the rose. All there is is a big
sloppy mess between the two of them, but he she
was the one that he was certain he was going
to keep around. You think, do you do you get
what's going on here with them? I mean, she's is
it just physical because once Jesse uh and Becca Martinez

(42:57):
pointed out a few weeks ago to me, now I
notice it. It feels like she gets up and walks
away from any times any type of like conflict. It
feels like that happens every time they're on a date,
So there's conflict most times they're talking. At what point
do you go, we just don't we aren't working, Like
this isn't good, this isn't gonna last. But it just
feels like it continues. And it's not like it's not

(43:21):
that was last season. Remember we were like nothing goes Yeah,
not to say that their comparable situations. This is like,
this isn't easy at this point in a relationship. This
would be like the third day in real life, right, yeah,
it's eisi going to go well, And if you're not
feeling it by the third day, you're going to cut
it off if you just can't get into a jive.

(43:45):
And and and to flash forward here, I almost feel
like Peter is starting to understand Victoria f more because
he knows that she's just the ball of emotion and
that she cares, but she's nervous and she can't just
break down her walls, and that's why once he's sit
down the paths of the Roses, he like kind of
teases her with it, like walks through the car because
he's like, I feel like it is his way of saying, Victoria,

(44:07):
f like take a breather, like, don't don't always assume
the worst here. I like you, I want to meet
your family. You're getting the rose. Yeah, And he did
that just so she can like not be so much
in her own head and he could do something special
for her because I think he really likes her and
it's gonna break me if this one doesn't work before him,

(44:31):
because I feel like he's invested a lot into it
and he's really trying to show her that she can
be confident in what they have as far as a
poll goes, like he feels a pole towards a girl.
I think she's second to Madison, definitely, Yeah, I would
agree with that. And then I also think that he
pulls her aside and does stuff like that because she's

(44:53):
like second in line to Madison, and also because he
knows that she reacts better in general when she's not
an agree environment. M Now, you're right, he's going to
know her better Now the question is is she gonna
take some time to get to know him better and
understand who he is, because just saying you're in a
mood every time we're together is not referencing that you
know him any better. It's just like pretty much spouting

(45:15):
out that you don't really like the guy, like if
he's in a mood, if like every time Ashley and
I hung out and you're like, Ben, you're just always
in a mood when you're around me. It's like, what
you're really saying is you just don't like me. That
sounds like such a marriage comment, Like I tell Jared, like, look,
you're in a bad mood today, But you don't imagine
telling Christuls that that week. That's all. So Peter walks

(45:37):
back to Kelly and Hannah and Hanna and gets a rose.
Kelly is going home. He just sees them as more
and more as friends. Kelly's confidence doesn't really seem to
like be too shook. She's sad shocked, and I think
she's still just is confused on why these girls continue
to stay and she goes home. My question for you

(45:58):
actually is this, does Kelly even really want to be there?
And is she that into Peter No, because two weeks
ago or like two episodes ago, they had that day
where she was clearly not super into him and was like,
I'm not getting distracted by all like the drama here,

(46:21):
and I'm still trying to figure out basically whether I
like you enough. Right definitely, Yeah, that would be my
take as well. And then she kept saying this is fun,
and then she kept saying like I'm having a great time.
I'm having fun. I'm having fun. And then he's like, Okay,
well I don't want you to just have fun at
this point, and she's like, it is more than just fun.
You can tell, like it was so obvious she was

(46:41):
going to be going home again. I again, I say,
at this point in the season, we're usually like really
in deep with these relationships, and it feels like most
of these women are still very surface, like this is fun. Hey,
I just want to show you my little note that
I wrote to you, and oh you're in Like these
comments to me feel very surface. So I I lead

(47:03):
us into this before we bring Connor on here. In
a second, I wanna ask you this, actually want to
ask you a few questions. Is this whole thing the
toxic environment that was spoken about earlier and the lack
of depth in these relationships. Is this a Peter problem
or is this a cast problem? This is a cast problem.

(47:24):
Peter may not have helped a lot of dramatic situations,
like giving some girls roses before he should have given
them roses, and then they go back to the house
and there's more drama that ensues because of it. So
he's made like some naive mistakes along the way, But
for the most part, this is definitely a cast problem.
These girls are um, they want to win. There's so

(47:47):
much incentive now to get far because of social media.
It's different, it's a totally different game. And I feel
like this is just is the most mature casts of
girls who have no desire. I don't know, you just
feel like it's a cast problem, a cast problem with

(48:09):
a bunch of people who want to win and not
necessarily invest into a potential engagement and marriage that can
definitely come from the show. They're just in it to say, hey,
how long can I last? It's all how long can
I last? How long can I last? Second question to you,
I have three questions for you. By the way, we
have to talk about the teaser. Definitely who out of

(48:31):
all of this is right now your your bachelorette and
in the whole Bachelor nation world. I just want to
hand the Hannaby Hannathy same with me, Hannaby. Hannaby is
back to being the next bachelor in my eyes, last
thing for you, Ashley after this episode on a grade
of A to F, how is Peter Webber doing? Peter

(48:55):
did a good job this episode? He is he He
was what an A minus for you? Last week? What
is he just week? Okay? Think he's would be last week? Um,
I don't. I think I think he gets to be
again this week. Yeah, I would say he stayed about
the same. I think he's doing a fine job. I
think that we've seen some of his biggest weaknesses in

(49:17):
life probably exposed during the show, like doesn't confront things
very well or doesn't really love to But he's a
nice guy and I just want him to find love
in this because I know he believed in finding love
in this. I knew this is a good shot for him.
I just think that at some point this has gotten
to be a lot for him, and I don't think
he's had a lot of women around him to help
push him forward. Ashley. Then we got to talk about this.

(49:40):
As you just mentioned, there's a teaser that that we
saw for the rest of the season, and right away
it was late when I watched it. I want to
call you and be like, what in the world is
going to happen? Ashley? No spoilers because you don't know them.
And let's be clear on that we don't know them.
I swear we don't know them. A lot of people

(50:01):
have been coming up to me and they're like, wait,
so really there this season isn't spoilable, and like, it's
the first time I've gone this far without truly knowing
the ending because people leak it to me thinking that
I know, and I'm like, I don't. What do you
think of this teaser? And this teaser is always one
that gets me. What is your breakdown of what you

(50:22):
think possibly could happen right now? Okay, I have a
very well formed idea. So I think that Madison is
basically like the one, and I think he knows Madison's
the one, but I think he goes into fantasy sweets
and I think he sleeps with another girl knowing that
that um Madison is saving herself for marriage, and I
think that hearing that in the coming weeks, he gets

(50:43):
scared because he has talked about how important sex is
in a relationship with him, and I think that he's
not sure if he can really wait for marriage to
determine whether or not that component of the relationship is
strong enough. Like he doesn't want to go. I don't
think he wants to go into marriage. Um, you know,
like not having had sex with somebody. I really just
don't think he does. And I think that freaks him out.

(51:06):
And then I think he ends up sleeping with another girl.
Madison finds out about it, She's not sure she wants
to be with him anymore. I actually think it's a
huge turn off for her, and I think that that
is going to be a big break between Peter and Madison.
And I think the mom saying come bring her here
is like, you better figure your crap out because if

(51:29):
you don't, you're gonna lose this amazing woman and you
gotta winter back. It's definitely a winning back situation. Do
I have a different interpretation than you did? No, I
don't know how to play out this. Uh Madison saving
yourself for marriage? And then um, Peter admitting what we think,

(51:49):
he admits to having sex with somebody else, and if
he knew this and it was if it was so
important to Madison and Madison was the one at the end,
I have a feeling that is a massive like, if
this is the ACE, it would be a massive issue
for her, and I get that, like, I think I
can't speak to that, but I would imagine that would
hurt like her and be confusing, especially if you're pursuing

(52:12):
an engagement where just like, hey, what do you like?
You knew this was important to me? You knew this
was something I was saving myself for. Why is it
um then that you feel like you can can do this?
It could be that if it's not that, I don't
I just don't get that. I'm not making sense here.
Let me be clear. I don't understand within any of

(52:32):
that thought process what Chris Harrison is telling him. That
is the part I disagree with you, and I just
don't think it's clear to us when he comes up
and says, I don't know what that would be. I
agree with you. I think it's a totally separate thing.
And I think what he comes up to say, it's
actually just going to be nothing. It's gonna be one
of those teasers that, unlike the unlike the Hannah confrontation
with Luke, and unlike the fence jump, it's actually going

(52:54):
to be very anti climatic. But it's such a good
tease for the entire season. But I still think that
he may not end up proposing to anyone at the
end of this because I think he wants to propose
to Madison, but he is very conflicted with the sex situation.
H Okay, I think you might be right. Yeah, there's

(53:15):
always that moment too. We've we've been used to it
over the years to where it's like the teaser proves true,
but this might be the one where it doesn't. Hey, Ashley, um,
we gotta get Connor on the on the line. Let's
get Connor on the line. We'll come back with Connor
Saley as he is the l a bachelor for Batchel
Alive on stage. My man, Conna Saley is on the

(53:44):
line right now, Ashley and I are so pumped to
talk to you. Connor. How you doing, buddy, I'm good.
What's up, guys? What are you doing so good? Connor?
We gotta chat right now as our listeners know. I'm
in Mesa, Arizona. We're getting ready for our very first
world premiere of The Bachelor Live on Stage tour it
but we'll be seeing you soon in Los Angeles. Connor,

(54:08):
how in the world did you end up getting asked
to be the Bachelor in l A? And let me
tell you this. I'll preface this, was saying the response
has been outrageous. It's so everybody's so excited for you.
Oh look I am I'm fired off. Um. I had
a great experience on the show, and what better way
to kind of keep that going live on stage where

(54:31):
it all started back in l A. So I'm fired off.
You're known from Hannah by season of The Bachelorette. Uh,
you were seeing Kalin and then when after Whitney once
our boy Dean came back into the picture. Connor, you've
experienced some disappointment from the show, especially in Paradise. How

(54:52):
are you going to navigate this to not experience so
much disappointment at Bachelor Live on Stage? Uh? That's a
good question. Um, yeah, I mean I think going through
the other shows, it's a lot of ups and downs,
highs and lows, and I think you learned from all
those experiences. I think it'll be a lot easier because

(55:13):
I'm the one hanging out the roses. Um, so that
will make it a lot easier for me. But um,
I think I've just learned a lot more about myself
and what I'm looking for in a partner, and um,
I think that will help me a lot along the way.
So as we prep here and then we throw it
over to Ashley to ask a couple of questions as
we prep here for Batchelorive on stage. What's something that

(55:35):
you're excited about and what do you know about the
show so far or any questions for me? Um? Well, yeah,
I mean I'm fired up for the show. I saw
the the live thing on the Straight Handing Sarah show.
That was awesome. It's cool to get a little glimpse
into what it's gonna be like. Um the singing date, Uh,

(55:56):
kind of those questions that question game date. It looks
so much fun and um so I'm fired up for that,
excited to meet all the women that are gonna be there. Um,
it should be a really fun night, which I'm excited for.
And I think it takes a lot of the normal
stress of the show away and it's really just more
centered around having a good time. So I'm fired up
for that. Curious for you, what are the what are
the fantasy suitets like? Because I heard then there's definitely

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gonna be fantasy suits. It's gonna be wild connor um.
So here's what you know, obviously, fantasy suits. You can
think about it this way. I don't want to give
all the secrets away to the show because people have
to come and experience it live on stage. But I'll
tell you this, just like fantasy sweets are are meant
during the show to be your first time in private
kind of a way um from the cameras, it's the

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same concept on the show. Really, the fantasy sweets are
what you want to make it. There's no pressure to
do anything right, and but on the live on stage
it's your first time kind of getting separated from the audience,
even though the audience is still able to witness. And
that's how I'll leave it. It's it's crazy, it's really
well on and I think it will be that moment

(57:02):
during the live stage show where you can really start
to invest into some of these people. Yasha, I gotsha. Yeah,
that's awesome. It will be. It's not inappropriate though, buddy,
I will tell you that that you're gonna you will
still be the true gentleman that you consider yourself during
it exactly. Yeah, do you have any advice for me
and handing out the roses? Well, you know, I think

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this is it. You know. The Bachelor Live on Stage
show was meant to be a thankula Bachelor Bachelor Nation.
It is supposed to be the first time that Batchelor
Nation can come in and be a part of this
experience and watch it go down right in front of
their faces. So my advice would be, be yourself, man,
you know, and I want to I'm so excited to
hear from Ashley here. But one of the things is

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be yourself. Uh, have fun with it. It's one night
to see if there's possible connection on stage, and maybe
then you can see if things flourish from then on
out and we'll kind of follow your story after that.
But really it's just a good time to meet people
in your area, to have fun with it, and to
see this whole concept of finding love in the public eye,

(58:09):
in front of the public. Just have fun. It's not
gonna be low, very low pressure Ashley, I gotta ask you.
When we announced Connor as our bachelor in Los Angeles,
people flipped like he Like I knew he's I mean,
he's obviously a good looking dude, very smart, well put together,
great guy, but when he was announced people went ecstatic

(58:30):
for I had no clue there was so much love
for Connor out there. Do you feel that? I got
an email Connor from a girl who does publicity in
Los Angeles and she was like, I know this is
a long shot, but if you have any way of
helping me get on like Connor's cast during Bachelor Live,
can you help me? So I forwarded it to Ben

(58:52):
and then Ben said like, I got you. So who
knows this girl? Maybe one of your ladies? So yeah,
there is definitely excitement people are trying to get in.
Um my question is it's l a, but don't you
live in Texas? I do. I do live in Dallas.
But I heard that even if you do find a

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girl that you really like from here, as long as
you like her enough, you're you're down to make it longer. Sence, Yeah,
absolutely definitely. I mean it's it's kind of the same
concept with the you're the main shows. Most of those
people live in different areas, and you find someone you
connect with, um and you want to make it work.
You find a way to make it work. So we'll see,

(59:35):
we'll see what happens. But I'm I'm looking forward to it,
and I'm really honored to be the Bachelor in l A. UM,
I want to know how you're going to do in
front of a live audience versus a TV audience, because
like obviously a TV audience like they're not going to
they're judging you, giving their feedback months later after the

(59:57):
action is already done. Do I feel like there's more
press or with a live audience? Are you going to
let them sway you? Yeah? I agree. I mean I
want them to help me with the decisions because they
might see things that I don't. But unfortunately, I think
having I was on the finale of the Bachelor when
I met Hannah, um so there was a live audience

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there and I think that was super helpful to go
through that experience and then go on to those shows.
Um So, I think some of that stuff will kind
of help with this experience, but it'll definitely be like
nothing I've experienced before. So I'm looking forward to it.
You're also going to be like possibly kissing girls in
front of an audience and like having first conversations in

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front of an audience, and it just feels it's like,
how are you used to stage shows? Have you been?
Are you afraid of public speaking? Like it's a whole
other nerve component component in my opinion, versus being on camera,
Like cameras don't always make me nerves, don't really make
me nervous, but a live audience you feel like you
have to like meet their expectations. You want to entertain them. Yeah, yeah, no,

(01:01:03):
I agree. Um I was a bookworm in the fifth
grade play, so maybe, but um no, yeah, I mean
it will definitely be a lot different. I'm looking forward
to it. I think, you know, bachelord Nations really great.
All the fans and um, you know they they're gonna
help me find find the one for me. So yeah,

(01:01:24):
I trust their opinions and it'll be a lot of fun.
And I'm there, like you know, Beck and I will,
we'll be co hosting this. We're gonna be there to
help you out, We'll walk you through this. I'll be
nervous to man, I mean, Ashley, can you imagine what
we're about to walk into, like two thousand people every
night watching us put on this show on stage, like

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it is a whole new beast, and as we prep
right now for it and practice it, like I get
nervous just standing up on stage, So I'll be nervous
there with you, but you know, hey, we'll coach you
through it. Yeah. I appreciate. And I heard you're gonna
be uh bust some moves on stage. Is that true? Oh? Yeah, definitely. Man.
I I mean, I've got these dance shoes and I'm

(01:02:06):
looking at right now that I'm telling you, like, the
moves that I'm pulling off have never been seen before.
They It takes a lot of flexibility to pull off
what I'm about to do, and it looks it looks
really ugly while I'll do it, but I'm gonna try
my hardest. Bud Well, You're gonna have to teach you

(01:02:27):
some pointers because from one one tall guy to another. Uh,
you know, definitely don't have the best moves, but working
on it. Connor, final question for you before I let
you go. Yeah, we've seen your love stories play out,
We've seen you put yourself out there. Um, what is

(01:02:47):
it that you're looking for in a partner, a friend,
a confidante. Yeah, I mean I think you know someone
who's outgoing, adventurous. I'm kind of a eider guys with
someone that brings out, uh, that brings me out of
my shell a little bit. I think that's super important
to me. But you know, also someone that just kind

(01:03:09):
of like loves you back, I guess, and that's something
that I think has been missing in the last couple
of relationships that have been seen on TV. UM. And
then the other thing is just that spark. It's kind
of like undefinable thing that you can't really describe. It's
just that feeling you get with someone, especially when you

(01:03:30):
first meet them. Um, And to me, it's really important
to have that. So kind of all those things and
a lot more too. But you know, I'm really open
to to anything. Hey, we can't wait to have you
on stage man, thanks for doing it. It will be fun.
What a cool I hope you feel how big of
a compliment is to you, uh to have you as

(01:03:50):
our l a Batchelor. It's gonna be a wild night
with a bunch of people from Batchel Nation joining us. Hey,
Connor Sayley, thank you for coming Almost Finist podcast. Yes, sir,
thank you. Guys. Me on before we say goodbye to
you all today. It's been an awesome podcast. I think
these episodes always get better and better every year because
there's just more and more to talk about. UH, and

(01:04:11):
we want to hear from you. We've asked to hear
from you. We have a few emails that we're gonna
read through before we say goodbye. The first one is
from Rachel says, I don't understand why Peter was questioning
Hannah and so much about if she was ready for
marriage or even been in love because she's twenty three. Madison,
who was a front runner, is also twenty three. What

(01:04:31):
are your thoughts. I don't think it's the age that matters.
I think it's just probably the posture that they're coming
into each conversation. I think Madison is probably coming into
each conversation talking about the future, UH, talking about her
dreams and what she had desires UH and a partner,
and I haven't heard that of Hannah and yet. So
it's not as much about the age as the person

(01:04:55):
and what they're kind of communicating to Peter. Ashley, do
you agree I completely agree, and I am mind boggled
by this email from Sky, who writes in some new
Chase Rice lyrics from a song called Lonely. If you
are y'all, these are the lyrics if it's Monday and

(01:05:18):
it's over, you know, the show your girls all come
over for, and the red wines getting lower and your
last friends out the door when you're when there's no
more roses to go around. Hit me up, girl, you
know I'm down. Oh wow, my god, dude, you didn't

(01:05:41):
just have a one night stand with her. You're into her?
You he likes her? Is that what it means he's
running away from this whole thing at first? Is he
running back into it now he's trying to get her back,
or he's just trying to get a lot of buzz.
I don't know what it is. I know you're loving it.

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We're loving it here. Hey, Ashley, what a podcast, some
crazy breaking news. We'll talk to you very soon with
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The Bachelor. With that I've Been Been, I've been Ashley. Bye, guys,
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