August 14, 2025 • 22 mins
The ultimate “villain” from JoJo Fletcher’s season and Bachelor in Paradise is ready to pull back the curtain and reveal why sometimes roses… are red flags.
Chad Johnson is talking to Bob Guiney to clear the air, and reveal if the person we saw on TV was who he REALLY is.
And, he’s ready to spill on how one of his most controversial moments was completely fabricated!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ben Higgins and Ashley I bring you Infamous. Sometimes roses
are red flags.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to Infamous, because sometimes roses are red flags. This
is Bob Guiney and I am taken over for Ben
and Ashley today as our story continues with Chad Johnson.
Now you know him from JoJo's season and Chad, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
This off to you. Man, Welcome to the podcast. Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, thanks for having me. Bob.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Of course, where are you at right now? Where you live?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
So I'm actually in Oklahoma at the moment, kind of
in a middle ground. I just moved out of Huntington Beach.
I've been there a couple of years, and then I'm
moving to Florida. But once I got here over Christmas break,
I saw a family and I was like, all right,
I'll stay for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So yeah, yeah, I get it, man, I get it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You're home and hard to leave once you start seeing
everybody that you know and love, you know.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I know. So kind of in that middle grad.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, no, I got you.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So, hey, tell me about your So how did you
end up on the show in the first place, because
you were obviously from JoJo's season and was it one
of those things where like you knew she was going
to be on the show, and you're like, I got
a meet her, or and if you've talked about this
in the past, I apologize, but I just want to
give context.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Honestly.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
You know, I had done some acting and modeling and
stuff in the past years before, and so people knew
that friends around me, and I had a friend just
send me a link to it on Facebook. Yeah, and
they were like, you know, you should go try this,
And I didn't even consider it. I had no idea
what I was doing in life. You know, I wasn't
really looking to get married or anything. I never even
(01:31):
I had no idea who Jojo or any of these
people were, right. So I just signed up or I
didn't sign up. I actually just drove out to an audition.
There was a couple hours from me, and turns out
I actually went to the one that was the girls casting.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I didn't even know, and so you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Know, they went ahead and did my interview and we're like,
you know, we'll call you in six months, and I
was like, yeah, right, you know, so yeah, six months
rolled around though, and they actually called me, and you know,
then I had to figure out, Wait, what the hell
am I doing?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, no, I hear well.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean I remember I remember you from that season,
like episode one, because you you were jacked.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean, I'm sure you're still in great shakes. I
know fitness has always.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Been a big part of your life, but I remember
you coming on that show and it was just like,
you know, you were like the bizarro world me like
what I thought I looked like in the mirror.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know, it was actually one hundred pounds and six
foot two. People don't realize it's a camera trick. Like
I literally did research before coming on the show. Should
I come, Like is it better to be thinner on
camera or bigger?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So I shed like thirty pounds and just half the
size of the other guys. But it was an optical
illusion just by being so ripped, and it made me
look like look like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
No, you were definitely jack.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Part of me sometimes wonders too, you know, I mean
you come onto the show and I mean, obviously in
hot with hindsight being what it is, right, you have
a chance to look back and see how you were
portrayed on the show. But you know, it was almost
like from the very beginning that you were kind of
came in and you were like the villain or the
antagonist of the season.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And I mean, did you think that that was.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Something that you know that the producers created or is
that something that like, did you really feel like you
just didn't wait vibe with these guys at all?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Honestly that I tried to be myself at first, but like,
so here's the thing, I'm very hard on myself. Like
anything that any of the bad jokes you've heard me
tell on TV, I say on a daily basis a
thousand times worse to myself. Right, I came in trying
to be actually myself, and I made like one of
these bad jokes, and then it turned into where now
(03:33):
I'm being attacked.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And so what I.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Did was I had throughout the years of my life
I'm kind of I'm not like super confident when I
got on and talked to people, I'm kind of shy.
So I created this alternate persona of this like asshole, cocky.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Kind of guy. Yeah, And when.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I started getting attacked, I just pulled out my safety mechanism,
which was that cocky, confident, like asshole, joking guy. And
that's where and you know, everybody just kept playing into
it and I didn't. It was at a certain point
where I was playing the character so much that I
was like, I didn't know when to stop it, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And once you're locked into that, you know, the producers
wanted more of that, and they you know, they thought
that's who I was, and I'm like, no, I kind
of want I want to go.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Back to like the real me.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah yeah, but now all these situations are happening because
I used my like safety mechanism character that I built
and so hard to explain, like you know, you would
probably like a ten minute explanation on camera for me
to be like, hold on, everyone, sit down.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I got to explain it. Well.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Plus I'm sure too, you know, you get to a
point too in those moments, not to justify anything, but
I do understand that because I mean, I have a
buddy of mine who was actually on my season with Trista,
who you know, he suffered from anxiety so bad that
he kind of put up a lot of walls too
to protect himself, and you know, he went to a
little more of a like a more of a quieter
(04:55):
place when he's actually more out there and and the
reaction can be whatever it is, but it's like, you know,
in that moment, but now you're kind of bought into it,
and like you said, the producers are like, no, no,
you're doing great, keep it up.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
So were they encouraging you to kind of be confrontational
with people?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Oh yeah, well, I mean they would set the things
up where it was like, you know, hey, this guy's
saying something and I'm like, I know, but I'm really
here to just like I want to go back to
be me. Can I just like talk to me? And
they were like you need to confront him, and I'm like, man,
and then I'm you know, I'm because I'm super shy.
So I'd be back there like sweating, like I don't
want to do this. I don't want to do this,
(05:29):
like all right, and I'd be like okay, and I
turn it on and be like all right, let's go
and then just go play that character again. And honestly,
it screwed me up for a lot of years because
once I started playing it, that was my weekend fun
character for going out with my friends occasionally and make
a joke so or like you know, again protecting myself
and sure by playing it on the show and that happening,
(05:52):
I got stuck in that loop for like nearly a decade.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, well, you know it's funny.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean, you kind of came on the show that
was really when social media really started to blow up, right,
So it was kind of like and I can see that,
you know, I could see that being something that you know,
you're you're kind of protecting yourself to a certain degree.
I'm sure a couple of the guys jumped on the
bandwagon pretty quickly, which fires you up even more because
now you're.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Like, Okay, well, if we're doing this, I guess we're
doing this right.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Because I've I'm sure I've been in those in those
moods of those moments myself, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And then you got to start wandering back.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Like when you look back, I bet you were probably
feeling kind of a little bit manipulated by the producers
because they were they were pushing your buttons to get
you ramped up to that point and all you're doing
is just delivering, right, and you you don't even know, Hey,
maybe this is gonna be good TV. Maybe I'm gonna
be you know, they're gonna think it's funny, you know,
I'm sure to a certain degree, especially in the beginning.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah, I mean, you know, once once you start playing
the character and kind of given what they want and
they're pushing for more of it, you just kind of
keep giving it to them, and it gets to a
certain point.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Where you really don't know, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I mean for me, I almost thought of it as
I was like method acting, you know, and I got
caught into it for years because yeah, they you know,
they wanted it, that's what was working, that's what people
seem to like. And so especially with social media and
all that stuff. Now I'm playing the character offscreen. Now
I'm being my own friends and family, and you it
(07:13):
really I'll be honest, like it kind of screwed me
up for a while.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Now, That's how I was going to say, you know,
I mean, social media really kind of creates that thing
that's bigger than life, right, and it keeps going.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So I could see I'm sure, you know, I could see.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You coming off of that show, especially if what you
were doing was more, you know, a defense mechanism, and
you come off that show and you're probably having a
rough time figuring out where your head's at and then
all of a sudden, everyone starts piling on and here again,
you got you got a choice, right, either you you
curl up or.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
You know, I was even mean to Ben, And I
don't think I really was Ashley, but you know, I
had talked to him on tweets and stuff, but it
was a certain point, Like so I went on the
show originally, like, you know, the reason I went and
did the audition and stuff was because my mom had
just passed and I'd always told my mom was going
to be successful. So it was real a way for
me to just to make something of myself to show
(08:03):
my mom. So in a way, when when they're attacking me,
they're attacking my character, but they're also attacking my goal
to show my mom. So it's like you're you're stopping
me from doing something that I'm here to do.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
For my mom.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, just I guess after everything, you know, it just
it just seemed like.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I don't know, I kind of lost that thing of
the mom things for a second.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
No, I get you, dude, I might believe me. I
lost my dad a few years ago, and I understand it.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But but I guess my point was social media you know,
I was trying to do that goal for my mom,
and when it came to social media after the show,
I continue to play the character because what it's what
I knew was seemingly going to get me to the
point because I'm now I'm locked into that character and
the only thing that's going to get me to the
goal of success. But it seems like whether that shows
or anything, you know, just buying able to buy a
(08:55):
house for myself for my dog was going to be
to continue playing that character, and so I had to
keep doing it because it's the only thing that I
knew that was benefiting my life. And anytime I started
being good and being quiet and being regular talking about
normal things or God or being good or doing nice things,
no one cared at all. I'd get like three likes
on Twitter. So I was like, okay, so being me
(09:16):
isn't what is going to get me to my goal. Ultimately,
this is an end to mean to an ends.
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Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know what, I'm sure when you say stuff like that,
you probably got people going, hey, man, that's a cop out,
you know you, that's not what you were really going
through because they think they know you for how you
were portrayed on television, you know, when in fact, you're
trying to be real with somebody and say this is
how I was really feeling at that time. Now I
know too, Like a lot of the situations on the
show too. You know, it is a television show, it
(10:59):
is produced. We all know that, right. So one of
the scenes I remember on the show that set out
was they brought security in.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Right because they were saying they were really worried, worried
about everyone's well being. Did you think that was warranted?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Was it something that was set up ahead of time
or was it one of those things where you know.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
That that to me, I mean they came in and
told me, you know, they're like, hey, we're going to
give you the security guard, like you know, and and
and the thing is, every time there was almost a
like they thought there was going to be a confrontation.
They'd be like, hey, you're not going to actually hit anyone, right,
And I'm like, no, you think I want to hit
any one? I literally would happen like I'd literally be like,
I'll give you, and then I'd walk into the like
closed door behind the talk with him and I'm like,
(11:37):
oh my god, dude, like you know, and they're like like,
you're you're gonna hit him. I'm like no, no, God,
Like I don't want to. I don't even want to
be involved in that, I'm like I can yeah. Stop,
I'm like, but now I'm in it. And if I
walk out the door and I'm like, hey sorry, man,
it's going to be very confusing for everyone. So yeah,
so I think you know, they they in a way
(11:58):
like they were like, are you going to hit him?
But I told him a million times I was like, no,
you know, I'm not going to hit anybody, Like, yeah,
hit somebody, I'm going to go home from the show,
and that would run like everything. So you know, if
they hit me, fantastic, then they go home. That eliminates one.
And I'm closer to.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
The end right right, So you were thinking about the
games and the ship was still at play.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, I mean that was my ultimate go I would
have don anything. I would have let ten guys start
punching me in the face if that's what I meant
in order to get to where I needed to be
in order to achieve my goal.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, and I mean you kept getting a rose right
for a few weeks there, you got roses and you
stuck around, and so you know the behavior, I guess
to a certain degree probably with the headspace you were
in in that moment was was being rewarded, right, So
you're thinking, Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
What I did do was when any time I was
with her, I completely shut that all off and went
back to being myself. Yeah, that's why there were interviews
of her where she was like, I'm super confused because like, right,
he's like this, but he's seeming like he's like this.
It's because when I talk to her, I just one
percent cut out the character of the bull crap and
tried to talk to her. But you know, unfortunately they
(12:58):
didn't even really the character took over and they didn't
even give me any time to really talk to her.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, well, because I mean, yeah, there was talks about,
you know, you being aggressive with the other guys. I
think Evan shirt got ripped, you know, stuff like that,
I mean, punching the door.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You know, it's like that.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm sure that a lot of those emotions probably are
you know, maybe were how you were feeling in the moment.
But you know, if you weren't kind of all jacked
up to be this agro character on TV, you probably
wouldn't have reacted in the same way.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
No, not in real life, man. You know, people try
to start stuff. I could care less like, yeah, but
once once you realize that, you know, the cameras are
now portraying you as this, it wouldn't like correlate.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Like you know, like if you if you see someone
I don't know, if you see some guy driving a
rolls Royce, but then he gets out he's wearing like
clothes with clothes with like holes in him, Like.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It doesn't make sense, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So yeah, it makes.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Sense is the tough guy to then let these other
people push him around. And so then I'm all twisted
in the head because I'm half in character on half me,
and I'm like, I don't know if one time they
could come up to me and they're like, are you
are you okay? Are you mad at this? Like you know,
and I was like, I don't know if I'm mad
or if I'm supposed to be mad, but I think
the best move is to just be mad, like I'm
(14:23):
gonna do angry things right now.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I mean, I could get it too it because it
was a you know, you were still it was still
earlier on in the reality TV.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I mean, how many years ago was that for you?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Oh man? Nine years?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
So almost Yeah, so so nine years ago, so it
was still kind of early enough on the reality TV zeitgeist.
I guess that, you know, you you could be kind
of part of you at that time, I'm sure was
playing into the the villain part of it too, right,
Like you're you know, you're leaning into that because you're like, okay, well, hey,
at least I'm at least I've got my own identity
on this show. I'm this guy, right, And so you know,
(15:00):
at that point in time, you don't know, you know,
you don't know what's going to get you to your
end game if you're you know, like if you weren't
going on there specifically to find love, you were just
going on there to you know, have some fun and
show you show your mom that hey I can I
can do this, you know, and doing it for her posterously.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I could see I had the goal, but then I
was over, like, you know, dating the girl and finding love.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So I tried to open.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
On one side, but I also didn't want to let that.
I didn't want to let one stop, you know, me
from the other.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That makes right and which goal was more important? You
probably didn't know the answer to that either, right.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Right, honestly, Yeah, that's why I was, like I was trying,
like hoping, like give me time with her, like let
me drop this goal for that goal, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean when you look back on it now,
I mean obviously almost ten years ago now, when you
look back on it, are there just you know a
million things you wish you'd done differently, or do you
kind of own it? And you know, I mean, I
like with what you're saying right now, with it being
a character and with your feeling like you were sort
of just sort of playing into it. You know, if
you ever had a chance to go back and see
(15:58):
any of those guys and be like, hey man, I'm sorry,
or talk to Jojo or anybody from that season producers
or anything like that, where you've had a chance to
actually say what you're saying now, I.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Mean, I did the whole thing wrong, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I mean, yeah, sure, the camera's looked at me, But
to be honest, it's it's super hard for me to
look back because I'm not even that person at all anymore.
I mean, you know, ten years ago, I can't even
relate to that guy. So it's kind of almost even
hard to like explain for him like the stuff that
I did. But but but I do know that I
would one hundred percent do it completely different. And you know,
(16:33):
I hold no grudges towards anybody or any producers or anything,
because everybody was just doing, you know, what they thought
was right, you know at the time, Like I said,
like myself, you know, I thought what I was doing.
Everyone's just making what the decisions that they think are
the best for them at that point in time.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, I mean, have you ever but have you ever
had a chance to talk to any of those guys
or now, have you ever had.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
A chance to Yeah, quite a few of them, quite
a few of the guys, you know, and they're always
super cool now, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, even like right after the show.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Aired, everybody was super cool to me, which was really
weird because I'm like, why were you fighting? Like why
were you starting stuff with me on camera?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You could have done this on.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Like you joined in everyone else, man, Like why didn't
you just talk like this? So it was really kind
of because then I'm like, wait, was I acting or
were you acting?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
How about Jojo? Did you ever have a chance to
talk to her at all? After the show.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
No, never, after the show, she kind of got sucked in.
And I think, you know, I only got to have
like one or two real conversations with her before she
came across really scripted. Yeah, just like I I just
having a regular conversation. I was like this, this is
just a scene now, like we're just shooting a scene.
So yeah, we kind of you know, and after the show,
(17:48):
I was, you know, I didn't know what else to do.
So obviously I was mean to them and attacking everybody
and stuff, and I had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It's interesting, I feel like, so, I mean, you know,
I think we kind of had opposite experiences on the show.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I was like the I was lucky to get a
real good at it, I.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Guess in that regard, and you know, and I and
there was a different, obviously experience for you. And it's
it's I wonder like a few years later, like when
did it When did it hit you? When was it
the moment where you were kind of like you woke
up one day and you're just like, as I got
to stop this thing, you know, or when did you
see that you had.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
A way out?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Honestly, like it was probably within the last year say
I'd say, you know, I've you know, one of the
things that you know, having been on the show and
all has afforded me is the ability of time, so
you know, not having to like go to work and stuff.
So I've spent a lot of time soul searching, searching
for God, going to church, doing all types of different things, meditation,
and just literally changing who I am as a person.
(18:46):
And you know, looking back on everything that I'd done
and having to forgive myself for all the crazy, crazy
different you know, not even just the things that I
had done for my own you know, like reputation and
things like that, but like the different ways I hurt
people for no reason, just like through Twitter, and I
used to just trash people for like to hope that
(19:07):
maybe someone would write in an article about it, just
because hopefully that would lead to something else, because I
guess I was desperate at the time.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, so I look back.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Now and I'm just like, man, that was sad. Like
you know, everyone else thinks it's like, oh, he's being
a dick. Really it was just this like kind of
like cry for help, looking for meaning in life. I
had no meaning in life and I had no god,
I had no nothing, and you know, eventually just kind
of had to grow out of it and you know,
find my own God. And it's not getting the press
(19:36):
article or finding in this.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Now, you know, there is a little vacuum that comes
from that experience, you know, from being well to be,
from being infamous in that moment, right, Like you know,
for a period of time there you were this guy
that was you know, he didn't care what anybody thought
about him, right, and he's that guy.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But you know, my mom has always had this thing
that she said to me.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
For years, you know, and it was always like, you know,
the guys who are making the most noise and pound
of their chest most those are the ones that you
gotta wonder. You know, that dude needs a hug, you know,
And it's one of those moments. It's like, you know,
I think of that situation a lot, like you know,
when I think about the stuff you were probably going through,
because I could see that, I could see the.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Chicken or the egg happening like what happened first.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And now you're almost like trying to keep up with
what expectations are because the fame is better than the anonymity,
I guess, then.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Sitting in a quiet room in Oklahoma with no money
and doing nothing with my life like I was doing
you know years, right, you know, And yeah, that's a
lot of the things too, not just getting just a
bachelor of a bachelor in Paradise and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I I caused a lot of my problems with alcohol,
like you know I was, and it wasn't an alcoholic
I guess. There's different ways to explain it. But I
would go on these vendors for ten years.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And I just recently got out of that and fully
quit drinking.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But yeah, well good for you. That's not an easy
thing to do.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I know that. Yeah it was.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
It's been very difficult off and on. And you think
you're having fun and you think you're you know, when
you're on TV you're making good TV or whatever, or
you know, I'm on Twitter making some stupid Instagram story.
It's just like you're just making an idiot of yourself.
And yeah, you having fun at the time, you just
have these three day long panic attacks afterwards, and then
the minute you get better, you do it all over again.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
And I went in that cycle for now.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I mean I was probably going through that, you know,
for another ten years before the show, so it's really
been about twenty yearsuntil I finally got out of it.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Wow, that's that's a tough pattern to break.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Man, it's a bad cycle.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
And while in the middle of yah, I'll tell you that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, all right, Chad, I'm gonna stop you right there.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
We're gonna take a break.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
This has been part one of Infamous Sometimes Roses are
Red Flags with Chad Johnson, and we will come back
and get a little bit more into detail with part
two in just a few days. Follow the Ben and
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Ben Higgins and Ashley I bring you Infamous. Sometimes roses
are red flags.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to Infamous, because sometimes roses are red flags. This
is Bob Guiney and I am taken over for Ben
and Ashley today as our story continues with Chad Johnson.
Now you know him from JoJo's season and Chad, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
This off to you. Man, Welcome to the podcast. Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, thanks for having me. Bob.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Of course, where are you at right now? Where you live?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
So I'm actually in Oklahoma at the moment, kind of
in a middle ground. I just moved out of Huntington Beach.
I've been there a couple of years, and then I'm
moving to Florida. But once I got here over Christmas break,
I saw a family and I was like, all right,
I'll stay for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So yeah, yeah, I get it, man, I get it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You're home and hard to leave once you start seeing
everybody that you know and love, you know.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I know. So kind of in that middle grad.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, no, I got you.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So, hey, tell me about your So how did you
end up on the show in the first place, because
you were obviously from JoJo's season and was it one
of those things where like you knew she was going
to be on the show, and you're like, I got
a meet her, or and if you've talked about this
in the past, I apologize, but I just want to
give context.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Honestly.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
You know, I had done some acting and modeling and
stuff in the past years before, and so people knew
that friends around me, and I had a friend just
send me a link to it on Facebook. Yeah, and
they were like, you know, you should go try this,
And I didn't even consider it. I had no idea
what I was doing in life. You know, I wasn't
really looking to get married or anything. I never even
(01:31):
I had no idea who Jojo or any of these
people were, right. So I just signed up or I
didn't sign up. I actually just drove out to an audition.
There was a couple hours from me, and turns out
I actually went to the one that was the girls casting.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I didn't even know, and so you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Know, they went ahead and did my interview and we're like,
you know, we'll call you in six months, and I
was like, yeah, right, you know, so yeah, six months
rolled around though, and they actually called me, and you know,
then I had to figure out, Wait, what the hell
am I doing?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, no, I hear well.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean I remember I remember you from that season,
like episode one, because you you were jacked.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean, I'm sure you're still in great shakes. I
know fitness has always.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Been a big part of your life, but I remember
you coming on that show and it was just like,
you know, you were like the bizarro world me like
what I thought I looked like in the mirror.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know, it was actually one hundred pounds and six
foot two. People don't realize it's a camera trick. Like
I literally did research before coming on the show. Should
I come, Like is it better to be thinner on
camera or bigger?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So I shed like thirty pounds and just half the
size of the other guys. But it was an optical
illusion just by being so ripped, and it made me
look like look like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
No, you were definitely jack.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Part of me sometimes wonders too, you know, I mean
you come onto the show and I mean, obviously in
hot with hindsight being what it is, right, you have
a chance to look back and see how you were
portrayed on the show. But you know, it was almost
like from the very beginning that you were kind of
came in and you were like the villain or the
antagonist of the season.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And I mean, did you think that that was.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Something that you know that the producers created or is
that something that like, did you really feel like you
just didn't wait vibe with these guys at all?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Honestly that I tried to be myself at first, but like,
so here's the thing, I'm very hard on myself. Like
anything that any of the bad jokes you've heard me
tell on TV, I say on a daily basis a
thousand times worse to myself. Right, I came in trying
to be actually myself, and I made like one of
these bad jokes, and then it turned into where now
(03:33):
I'm being attacked.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And so what I.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Did was I had throughout the years of my life
I'm kind of I'm not like super confident when I
got on and talked to people, I'm kind of shy.
So I created this alternate persona of this like asshole, cocky.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Kind of guy. Yeah, And when.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I started getting attacked, I just pulled out my safety mechanism,
which was that cocky, confident, like asshole, joking guy. And
that's where and you know, everybody just kept playing into
it and I didn't. It was at a certain point
where I was playing the character so much that I
was like, I didn't know when to stop it, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And once you're locked into that, you know, the producers
wanted more of that, and they you know, they thought
that's who I was, and I'm like, no, I kind
of want I want to go.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Back to like the real me.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah yeah, but now all these situations are happening because
I used my like safety mechanism character that I built
and so hard to explain, like you know, you would
probably like a ten minute explanation on camera for me
to be like, hold on, everyone, sit down.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I got to explain it. Well.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Plus I'm sure too, you know, you get to a
point too in those moments, not to justify anything, but
I do understand that because I mean, I have a
buddy of mine who was actually on my season with Trista,
who you know, he suffered from anxiety so bad that
he kind of put up a lot of walls too
to protect himself, and you know, he went to a
little more of a like a more of a quieter
(04:55):
place when he's actually more out there and and the
reaction can be whatever it is, but it's like, you know,
in that moment, but now you're kind of bought into it,
and like you said, the producers are like, no, no,
you're doing great, keep it up.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
So were they encouraging you to kind of be confrontational
with people?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Oh yeah, well, I mean they would set the things
up where it was like, you know, hey, this guy's
saying something and I'm like, I know, but I'm really
here to just like I want to go back to
be me. Can I just like talk to me? And
they were like you need to confront him, and I'm like, man,
and then I'm you know, I'm because I'm super shy.
So I'd be back there like sweating, like I don't
want to do this. I don't want to do this,
(05:29):
like all right, and I'd be like okay, and I
turn it on and be like all right, let's go
and then just go play that character again. And honestly,
it screwed me up for a lot of years because
once I started playing it, that was my weekend fun
character for going out with my friends occasionally and make
a joke so or like you know, again protecting myself
and sure by playing it on the show and that happening,
(05:52):
I got stuck in that loop for like nearly a decade.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, well, you know it's funny.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean, you kind of came on the show that
was really when social media really started to blow up, right,
So it was kind of like and I can see that,
you know, I could see that being something that you know,
you're you're kind of protecting yourself to a certain degree.
I'm sure a couple of the guys jumped on the
bandwagon pretty quickly, which fires you up even more because
now you're.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Like, Okay, well, if we're doing this, I guess we're
doing this right.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Because I've I'm sure I've been in those in those
moods of those moments myself, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And then you got to start wandering back.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Like when you look back, I bet you were probably
feeling kind of a little bit manipulated by the producers
because they were they were pushing your buttons to get
you ramped up to that point and all you're doing
is just delivering, right, and you you don't even know, Hey,
maybe this is gonna be good TV. Maybe I'm gonna
be you know, they're gonna think it's funny, you know,
I'm sure to a certain degree, especially in the beginning.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah, I mean, you know, once once you start playing
the character and kind of given what they want and
they're pushing for more of it, you just kind of
keep giving it to them, and it gets to a
certain point.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Where you really don't know, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I mean for me, I almost thought of it as
I was like method acting, you know, and I got
caught into it for years because yeah, they you know,
they wanted it, that's what was working, that's what people
seem to like. And so especially with social media and
all that stuff. Now I'm playing the character offscreen. Now
I'm being my own friends and family, and you it
(07:13):
really I'll be honest, like it kind of screwed me
up for a while.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Now, That's how I was going to say, you know,
I mean, social media really kind of creates that thing
that's bigger than life, right, and it keeps going.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So I could see I'm sure, you know, I could see.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You coming off of that show, especially if what you
were doing was more, you know, a defense mechanism, and
you come off that show and you're probably having a
rough time figuring out where your head's at and then
all of a sudden, everyone starts piling on and here again,
you got you got a choice, right, either you you
curl up or.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
You know, I was even mean to Ben, And I
don't think I really was Ashley, but you know, I
had talked to him on tweets and stuff, but it
was a certain point, Like so I went on the
show originally, like, you know, the reason I went and
did the audition and stuff was because my mom had
just passed and I'd always told my mom was going
to be successful. So it was real a way for
me to just to make something of myself to show
(08:03):
my mom. So in a way, when when they're attacking me,
they're attacking my character, but they're also attacking my goal
to show my mom. So it's like you're you're stopping
me from doing something that I'm here to do.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
For my mom.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, just I guess after everything, you know, it just
it just seemed like.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I don't know, I kind of lost that thing of
the mom things for a second.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
No, I get you, dude, I might believe me. I
lost my dad a few years ago, and I understand it.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But but I guess my point was social media you know,
I was trying to do that goal for my mom,
and when it came to social media after the show,
I continue to play the character because what it's what
I knew was seemingly going to get me to the
point because I'm now I'm locked into that character and
the only thing that's going to get me to the
goal of success. But it seems like whether that shows
or anything, you know, just buying able to buy a
(08:55):
house for myself for my dog was going to be
to continue playing that character, and so I had to
keep doing it because it's the only thing that I
knew that was benefiting my life. And anytime I started
being good and being quiet and being regular talking about
normal things or God or being good or doing nice things,
no one cared at all. I'd get like three likes
on Twitter. So I was like, okay, so being me
(09:16):
isn't what is going to get me to my goal. Ultimately,
this is an end to mean to an ends.
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Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know what, I'm sure when you say stuff like that,
you probably got people going, hey, man, that's a cop out,
you know you, that's not what you were really going
through because they think they know you for how you
were portrayed on television, you know, when in fact, you're
trying to be real with somebody and say this is
how I was really feeling at that time. Now I
know too, Like a lot of the situations on the
show too. You know, it is a television show, it
(10:59):
is produced. We all know that, right. So one of
the scenes I remember on the show that set out
was they brought security in.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Right because they were saying they were really worried, worried
about everyone's well being. Did you think that was warranted?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Was it something that was set up ahead of time
or was it one of those things where you know.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
That that to me, I mean they came in and
told me, you know, they're like, hey, we're going to
give you the security guard, like you know, and and
and the thing is, every time there was almost a
like they thought there was going to be a confrontation.
They'd be like, hey, you're not going to actually hit anyone, right,
And I'm like, no, you think I want to hit
any one? I literally would happen like I'd literally be like,
I'll give you, and then I'd walk into the like
closed door behind the talk with him and I'm like,
(11:37):
oh my god, dude, like you know, and they're like like,
you're you're gonna hit him. I'm like no, no, God,
Like I don't want to. I don't even want to
be involved in that, I'm like I can yeah. Stop,
I'm like, but now I'm in it. And if I
walk out the door and I'm like, hey sorry, man,
it's going to be very confusing for everyone. So yeah,
so I think you know, they they in a way
(11:58):
like they were like, are you going to hit him?
But I told him a million times I was like, no,
you know, I'm not going to hit anybody, Like, yeah,
hit somebody, I'm going to go home from the show,
and that would run like everything. So you know, if
they hit me, fantastic, then they go home. That eliminates one.
And I'm closer to.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
The end right right, So you were thinking about the
games and the ship was still at play.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, I mean that was my ultimate go I would
have don anything. I would have let ten guys start
punching me in the face if that's what I meant
in order to get to where I needed to be
in order to achieve my goal.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, and I mean you kept getting a rose right
for a few weeks there, you got roses and you
stuck around, and so you know the behavior, I guess
to a certain degree probably with the headspace you were
in in that moment was was being rewarded, right, So
you're thinking, Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
What I did do was when any time I was
with her, I completely shut that all off and went
back to being myself. Yeah, that's why there were interviews
of her where she was like, I'm super confused because like, right,
he's like this, but he's seeming like he's like this.
It's because when I talk to her, I just one
percent cut out the character of the bull crap and
tried to talk to her. But you know, unfortunately they
(12:58):
didn't even really the character took over and they didn't
even give me any time to really talk to her.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, well, because I mean, yeah, there was talks about,
you know, you being aggressive with the other guys. I
think Evan shirt got ripped, you know, stuff like that,
I mean, punching the door.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You know, it's like that.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm sure that a lot of those emotions probably are
you know, maybe were how you were feeling in the moment.
But you know, if you weren't kind of all jacked
up to be this agro character on TV, you probably
wouldn't have reacted in the same way.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
No, not in real life, man. You know, people try
to start stuff. I could care less like, yeah, but
once once you realize that, you know, the cameras are
now portraying you as this, it wouldn't like correlate.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Like you know, like if you if you see someone
I don't know, if you see some guy driving a
rolls Royce, but then he gets out he's wearing like
clothes with clothes with like holes in him, Like.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It doesn't make sense, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So yeah, it makes.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Sense is the tough guy to then let these other
people push him around. And so then I'm all twisted
in the head because I'm half in character on half me,
and I'm like, I don't know if one time they
could come up to me and they're like, are you
are you okay? Are you mad at this? Like you know,
and I was like, I don't know if I'm mad
or if I'm supposed to be mad, but I think
the best move is to just be mad, like I'm
(14:23):
gonna do angry things right now.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I mean, I could get it too it because it
was a you know, you were still it was still
earlier on in the reality TV.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I mean, how many years ago was that for you?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Oh man? Nine years?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
So almost Yeah, so so nine years ago, so it
was still kind of early enough on the reality TV zeitgeist.
I guess that, you know, you you could be kind
of part of you at that time, I'm sure was
playing into the the villain part of it too, right,
Like you're you know, you're leaning into that because you're like, okay, well, hey,
at least I'm at least I've got my own identity
on this show. I'm this guy, right, And so you know,
(15:00):
at that point in time, you don't know, you know,
you don't know what's going to get you to your
end game if you're you know, like if you weren't
going on there specifically to find love, you were just
going on there to you know, have some fun and
show you show your mom that hey I can I
can do this, you know, and doing it for her posterously.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I could see I had the goal, but then I
was over, like, you know, dating the girl and finding love.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So I tried to open.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
On one side, but I also didn't want to let that.
I didn't want to let one stop, you know, me
from the other.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That makes right and which goal was more important? You
probably didn't know the answer to that either, right.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Right, honestly, Yeah, that's why I was, like I was trying,
like hoping, like give me time with her, like let
me drop this goal for that goal, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean when you look back on it now,
I mean obviously almost ten years ago now, when you
look back on it, are there just you know a
million things you wish you'd done differently, or do you
kind of own it? And you know, I mean, I
like with what you're saying right now, with it being
a character and with your feeling like you were sort
of just sort of playing into it. You know, if
you ever had a chance to go back and see
(15:58):
any of those guys and be like, hey man, I'm sorry,
or talk to Jojo or anybody from that season producers
or anything like that, where you've had a chance to
actually say what you're saying now, I.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Mean, I did the whole thing wrong, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I mean, yeah, sure, the camera's looked at me, But
to be honest, it's it's super hard for me to
look back because I'm not even that person at all anymore.
I mean, you know, ten years ago, I can't even
relate to that guy. So it's kind of almost even
hard to like explain for him like the stuff that
I did. But but but I do know that I
would one hundred percent do it completely different. And you know,
(16:33):
I hold no grudges towards anybody or any producers or anything,
because everybody was just doing, you know, what they thought
was right, you know at the time, Like I said,
like myself, you know, I thought what I was doing.
Everyone's just making what the decisions that they think are
the best for them at that point in time.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, I mean, have you ever but have you ever
had a chance to talk to any of those guys
or now, have you ever had.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
A chance to Yeah, quite a few of them, quite
a few of the guys, you know, and they're always
super cool now, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, even like right after the show.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Aired, everybody was super cool to me, which was really
weird because I'm like, why were you fighting? Like why
were you starting stuff with me on camera?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You could have done this on.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Like you joined in everyone else, man, Like why didn't
you just talk like this? So it was really kind
of because then I'm like, wait, was I acting or
were you acting?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
How about Jojo? Did you ever have a chance to
talk to her at all? After the show.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
No, never, after the show, she kind of got sucked in.
And I think, you know, I only got to have
like one or two real conversations with her before she
came across really scripted. Yeah, just like I I just
having a regular conversation. I was like this, this is
just a scene now, like we're just shooting a scene.
So yeah, we kind of you know, and after the show,
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I was, you know, I didn't know what else to do.
So obviously I was mean to them and attacking everybody
and stuff, and I had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It's interesting, I feel like, so, I mean, you know,
I think we kind of had opposite experiences on the show.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I was like the I was lucky to get a
real good at it, I.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Guess in that regard, and you know, and I and
there was a different, obviously experience for you. And it's
it's I wonder like a few years later, like when
did it When did it hit you? When was it
the moment where you were kind of like you woke
up one day and you're just like, as I got
to stop this thing, you know, or when did you
see that you had.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
A way out?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Honestly, like it was probably within the last year say
I'd say, you know, I've you know, one of the
things that you know, having been on the show and
all has afforded me is the ability of time, so
you know, not having to like go to work and stuff.
So I've spent a lot of time soul searching, searching
for God, going to church, doing all types of different things, meditation,
and just literally changing who I am as a person.
(18:46):
And you know, looking back on everything that I'd done
and having to forgive myself for all the crazy, crazy
different you know, not even just the things that I
had done for my own you know, like reputation and
things like that, but like the different ways I hurt
people for no reason, just like through Twitter, and I
used to just trash people for like to hope that
(19:07):
maybe someone would write in an article about it, just
because hopefully that would lead to something else, because I
guess I was desperate at the time.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, so I look back.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Now and I'm just like, man, that was sad. Like
you know, everyone else thinks it's like, oh, he's being
a dick. Really it was just this like kind of
like cry for help, looking for meaning in life. I
had no meaning in life and I had no god,
I had no nothing, and you know, eventually just kind
of had to grow out of it and you know,
find my own God. And it's not getting the press
(19:36):
article or finding in this.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Now, you know, there is a little vacuum that comes
from that experience, you know, from being well to be,
from being infamous in that moment, right, Like you know,
for a period of time there you were this guy
that was you know, he didn't care what anybody thought
about him, right, and he's that guy.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But you know, my mom has always had this thing
that she said to me.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
For years, you know, and it was always like, you know,
the guys who are making the most noise and pound
of their chest most those are the ones that you
gotta wonder. You know, that dude needs a hug, you know,
And it's one of those moments. It's like, you know,
I think of that situation a lot, like you know,
when I think about the stuff you were probably going through,
because I could see that, I could see the.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Chicken or the egg happening like what happened first.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And now you're almost like trying to keep up with
what expectations are because the fame is better than the anonymity,
I guess, then.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Sitting in a quiet room in Oklahoma with no money
and doing nothing with my life like I was doing
you know years, right, you know, And yeah, that's a
lot of the things too, not just getting just a
bachelor of a bachelor in Paradise and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I I caused a lot of my problems with alcohol,
like you know I was, and it wasn't an alcoholic
I guess. There's different ways to explain it. But I
would go on these vendors for ten years.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And I just recently got out of that and fully
quit drinking.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But yeah, well good for you. That's not an easy
thing to do.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I know that. Yeah it was.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
It's been very difficult off and on. And you think
you're having fun and you think you're you know, when
you're on TV you're making good TV or whatever, or
you know, I'm on Twitter making some stupid Instagram story.
It's just like you're just making an idiot of yourself.
And yeah, you having fun at the time, you just
have these three day long panic attacks afterwards, and then
the minute you get better, you do it all over again.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
And I went in that cycle for now.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I mean I was probably going through that, you know,
for another ten years before the show, so it's really
been about twenty yearsuntil I finally got out of it.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Wow, that's that's a tough pattern to break.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Man, it's a bad cycle.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
And while in the middle of yah, I'll tell you that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, all right, Chad, I'm gonna stop you right there.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
We're gonna take a break.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
This has been part one of Infamous Sometimes Roses are
Red Flags with Chad Johnson, and we will come back
and get a little bit more into detail with part
two in just a few days. Follow the Ben and
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