June 18, 2025 • 59 mins
Ben and Ashley are braving the thorns to explore some of the Bachelor Nation icons that gave new meaning to the word “villain”. But in this deep dive, they explore...was Luke Parker the villain of Hannah Brown's season, or was he simply misunderstood? You be the judge!
Luke gets real about how he handled the social media hate and backlash from fans, while looking back on how his actions led to one of the hardest challenges he’s ever faced.
Plus, was there more to the conversation he had with Hannah about the Fantasy Suite???
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ben Higgins and Ashley I bring you Infamous.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Sometimes roses are red Flags.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of Infamous. Sometimes Roses
are Red Flags. It's Ben and Ashley and we are
here with you to dive a little deeper into some
of the characters that you either loved or loathed during
the series. And today we are going back to Hannah
Brown season of The Bachelorette. This cast member. Was he misunderstood?
(00:30):
Has he changed? Well, today we will find out. Please
welcome Luke Parker to the show, who we just did
a little chat with before we started recording. And Luke,
you are not just married, which we had seen headlines about,
but you are father. Congratulations, dam thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, it's been for all his fathers mothers out there.
You guys know, it's been quite the ride. Yes, old, Yeah,
So I have a nine month old and currently my
wife is twenty two weeks pregnant.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
So we have we just found out wait.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
The math eight math in there. You have a nine
month old?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yes, so we're two months away from I just learned
this term. I don't know if you guys know it,
but two months away from Irish twins. So if you
have two children, whether it's a border girl that are
within a year apart, then it's considered considered Irish twins.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
But they're going to be fourteen months apart.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Okay, she's nine months and she's currently pregnant. So she
got pregnant. Okay, yeah, okay, so the math that is
technically math. I'm so sorry. I'm not a mathematician obviously,
but she got pregnant within two months of having your son.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
No, it was not, it wasn't that close, but it
was within a few Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
That's so she's twenty two weeks. Okay, again, I need
a pen and.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Paper as interesting as it is for Ashley to try
to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, I am fully embarrassed right now.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You know, you're good. I'm not a math genius either.
He's roughly six months.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Okay, so sorry, I wasn't even thinking she's six months now,
and so there're gonna be three that she was she
got pregnant at three or four months?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Okay, Okay, she was four months most part?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, okay, all right, that's not Actually the most out
righteous thing.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Was this planned?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Was this wanted to be this way? Okay?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Then does anybody plan that I don't think anybody plans
within four months of I.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Mean when we had our daughter, Jessica, I was laying
in the hospital room and Jessica goes, let's do it again,
and I said, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I just saw what your.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Body did in the hospital room.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah. She was like, this is the best. I would
do it a thousand times. And I'm like, you're your wife.
Is a chance you're crazy?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I saw this and I don't know how you would
even think about this right now. Luke So you have
a family, is this is Cooksville where you're from?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So grew up Northeast Florida, like Jacksonville area, and then.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
After college, bounced around.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Played college baseball, and then after college I moved to
North Georgia to be closer to family, and that's where
my older brother lived. He and I were super tight,
and then I was there for I want to say,
like three years, and then I went on the show.
And that's why on the show I say I'm from Gainesville, Georgia,
because that's where I lived at the time, but that
wasn't where I was reiginally from. And then for the
(03:30):
last five years I've been in Cookeville, Tennessee, and what
brought me there was really CrossFit. I don't know if
you guys are familiar with CrossFit much, Yeah, but they're
like quote unquote Michael Jordan CrossFit is Rich Frohning is
a ten time Games Champion gold medalist and he owns
(03:51):
CrossFit Mayhem, which is like the most famous CrossFit gym
in the world. And his poor values on his business
are faith, family, fitness service. And I got to be
a part of a few nonprofit events he was a
part of, and he invited me to come be a
part of the Mayhem family, and then he pretty much
turned me into a professional cross the athlete. And that's
(04:11):
what I've been doing for like the last five years
of my life and actually currently in the transitional season
of my life, so going in a different direction and
competing across it.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And that's as of like a week and a half ago.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Why is that.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I just feel like Dad's calling me to the next
chapter of my life. And it's been a huge blessing
being a part of the Man family. And I'll always
be a part of the Mayhem family. And the connections
I've built here in Cookeville, I just you know, I
got two sons now and got gotta start taking care
of my family and focusing on some other things.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So what's the difference between a cult and CrossFit?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Oh that's such a good question.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Oh man, I could talk so much on that, but
I'll keep it light. I'd say CrossFit's focus is obviously
just to build a strong community and be fit for life. Right,
So that's that's really why we do all the crazy
fitness we do.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
But yeah, it does definitely seem like a cult.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
So you became controversial on Hannah season not because you
weren't there for the wrong reasons. Everybody thought that you
were there for the right reasons, right, And now you
have found your wife. How did you to meet.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's a phenomenal question. So let me back up. So
I just kind of the story I just told of
me going from North Georgia to Cookville, Tennessee and going
to pursue competitive CrossFit. I got invited f I'm rich
himself at a nonprofit event, and that same nonprofit event
(05:55):
the following year. Essentially it was like an OCR race,
which just stands for Obstacle Course course racing, and all
of the proceeds to sign up for this race.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
It was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's like a four mile run through like the woods
in Alabama, and there's like different up school or CrossFit
movement stations throughout the race. Anyway, all the proceeds went
to the nonprofit, which is Mayhem missioned. And I was
just helping serve at the event, and so was my
future wife. At the time, we had no idea who
each other were. Her name's Jennifer and yeah, we were
(06:26):
like helping each other build a sign, and then just
after helping serve the event, we got to know each other.
And it was actually really interesting because my buddy rich
Fronning was getting a lot of pictures because he's like this,
you know, most well known dude in the cross the space,
and I'm like a nobody in CrossFit. But then I
had like a group of young girls line up to
(06:48):
take pictures with me, and my wife's like, okay, is
he like a famous crossfitter?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And then she found out I was on reality TV
and I took her to lunch and she was she
had one day eye brought up like all right, who's
this guy?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Because you know, uh, there's quite the stereotype for people
that go on reality TV, so she was very concerned
with who she was going up to lunch with.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
But now after it was actually pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I'll try to keep this brief, but after being at
Mayhem and representing them as an athlete, she worked for
Mayhem and we were friends for like a year and
a half to two years before ever like really considering
dating each other, and.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I thought that really helped us learn who each other were.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And then you know, we were kind of like, hey,
you know, you got the qualities of my future spouse,
so I want to go on the date. And then
things ramped up quickly and now here we are with
a son and another.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
On the way.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's it's so interesting.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
You talk about the stereotype from people going to reality shows,
which I think is very true and it's probably fair
in a lot of ways. But your time on the show,
if I remember it correctly, it felt like you were
kind of going within that line of like, hey, this
(08:10):
is how a reality show works. And there's like a
moment kind of towards the end where things got more
serious that you kind of started to speak up and
you tried to go against the grain of really what
the show was. So, when you signed up for the
show and you said yes for the show, did you
go into it with any kind of like intentional ways
(08:31):
that you were going to progress through it or were
you just doing it trying to be yourself throughout it
and getting kind of mixed up in the whole madness
that is the Bachelorette.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, it's a phenomenal question. So unlike most people. I
don't know your gout story. But unlike most people who
sign themselves up for the show and whether they get
a reality TV coach or not and get studied up
on you know what they're going to go up against.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Time out, there's reality television coaches Like excuse me, I
didn't know that was a thing. If there are no.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Dang fifty percent of the dudes on my season admitted
to that.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
What do you mean they had a coach or they
had like a gal pal back at home that had
watched it.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I had like friends that were like, Hey, this is
what happens on this show, but I never.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, maybe that was a bit much. So to your point,
I don't know the details. It could have been a
friend that was on Survivor or whatever. You know, given
you know tips and tricks, but anyway to answer your question,
I definitely just full transparency here. You know, at that
season of my life, I was trying to.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Figure out what to do.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I was working for my brother, and I just got
done playing college baseball, and.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I was just like a typical.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Baseball player who found this identity in baseball and was
working through that and trying to find out what to
do with his life, and just typical jock who was like,
all right, what do I do now? And then my
sister in law was a fan of the show from
years back. I just got out of a pretty tough
breakup graduating college, and she's like, oh, I'm gonna sign
Luke up. I had no idea. I thought it was
(10:12):
a prank call. I got a call in the truck,
like from LA and they asked me to proceede the
application process, and I was like, are some prank calling here?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Anyway?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Long story short, I saw because Houlton season was airing,
and I'm like continuing down the application process and starting
to realize that they keep asking me for the next step,
and the next step like Okay, this actually might happen,
And I was just totally naive personality wise.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I noticed that Hannah.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Brown got selected, and then she made a few comments
on Colton season like she was striving to be a
wife of noble character or excuse me, p thirty one woman,
which is Proverbs thirty one talking about the wife and
noble character, which is like the perfect blueprint to literally
the the perfect attributes of the perfect wife. And I'm thinking, oh, man,
(11:04):
she wants to be a Pieter. Anyone woman like this
would be the only thing that brings me on a
reality TV show where you share a girlfriend with multiple
dudes and try to narrow it down the one, which
seems crazy. Yeah, And I just went into it honestly
thinking that it was just again totally naive, thinking, oh,
(11:26):
this has got to be, you know, God ordained. This
has got to be why this crazy series of events
and has happened in my life, and all these dots
are connecting, and this has got to be why I'm
going to go on the show. So that is kind
of why you see me sit the mold, if you will,
in in and on that season of like having this
(11:49):
odd confidence in thinking I'll make it to the end,
and then also just a whirlwind of other you know
variables if you will not to mention it kind of
shot myself in the foot a few times. But we
won't have to get into all the like what aired
and what didn't air and all that stuff. But I
(12:10):
don't know, did you guys watch the full season?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Both of you actually?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And uh, yes we did. It has been a while,
you know, I'm looking back memory. You were always somebody
that the guys weren't the biggest fan of, and then
you're most known, of course for when it comes down
to fantasy suites. So if knowing about fantasy Suites going
(12:37):
into the show and what you were thinking of Hannah,
what did you expect was going to happen?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And I can I just say this before I answered
that question, and then I'd actually like you to re
answer it. I just want to be transparent here for
a second, because it's it's been a minute. I mean,
I get to share a little bit of my story
and what I.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Learned from the show.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Pretty frequently, because there's a list of things I got
to learn and how I how I deal with them
in a positive and a positive way now in my life.
But I won't lie like just thinking about all the
things I went through on a deep level and trying
to talk about certain details. I won't lie, it's it's
pretty hard for me. This is definitely one of the
(13:24):
hardest things I've ever gone through in my entire life.
And you guys got to see the light that was
you know, portrayed on me and and through that process,
and again, I'm so thankful for it. It's helped me
grow so in that season of my life. It helped
me grow so much as a man. It helped me
grow so much and truly realizing what I wanted in
(13:44):
a future wife. And it truly helped me grow a
lot in my relationship with God so and grow closer
to my family because they were I was dragging them
through the mug with me through the entire experience. But
I say all to say, I really want to do
my best to be real on this podcast and try
to provide your audience with value. And I have to
(14:05):
bring up the fact that you know, I still am
under contract for the rest of my life with you know,
Warner Brothers and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
We are, right, do you understand how to teeter the line?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I don't know if I know how to teeter that line.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I think maybe let's rephrase Ashley's question a little bit here,
because I think her question did bring out two scenarios.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Right.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
It did feel like watching it, the guys were not
like it did feel like you were isolated on your
own island, that they were not a fan of you,
maybe is the most like direct way to say it.
And it felt like the Fantasy Suites were a moment
where it was like this this whole season we were
kind of watching and wondering, Hey, who is this guy
(15:02):
and like what is he about to do? It feels
like the guys see something that maybe we don't see
yet in him, and then it kind of all explodes
right towards the end, which is always the worst time
to explode, because then the show ends like two weeks
later and you're still getting talked about and like you
haven't had a chance for explanation. And I think the
show good, bad, and different, it doesn't give the moment
(15:27):
for explanation, even if that explanation is one that the
fans still won't enjoy or like or get behind. At
least you know, now years removed, looking back, as you said,
you've grown you can explain.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So I think the now with what you said. When
a rephrase that would.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Be we know what you did, we know what you said,
we know how you went through it, we know how
the people viewed you. What have you learned like during
that time that we didn't see with your family and
your friends, and like what were you feeling? Because my
notes here said like you got defensive publicly.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I think absolutely, And.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
I think that just makes it feels like you're doubling down,
so the audience doubles down.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
But if we can like pull off all that.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Now yours removed, You're married with a kid and another
kid on the way, and life's looking good. What was
going on in your head? What were you feeling walk
us through that season? Yeah, maybe we didn't get to experience.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, absolutely, And I'd love to dive into I got
a lot I feel like I need to say before
I dive into, like what I learned.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
And I know that this will.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Help provide every listener on here some value just how
they can approach their life, all areas of life as
far as perspective goes. But yeah, first let me just
quick way a quick foundation. I know I talked about,
you know, going on the shows naive didn't really know
I was getting into kind of like the whole you know,
I'm an ex athlete, super competitor, and.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Which makes sense for the rugby scenes on the.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Show, and and and again naive, but thinking, oh, this
has got to be this has got to be.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Why I'm going on the show is because.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'm going to be the guy so naive, extreme competitor
on levels that some people can't comprehend, but also a
man that wants to be delicate.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
And wants to be gentle.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And share his faith like a man, a man of
God right, that wants to share his faith and share
why he does the things he does.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
And let me add into this, yes, because I think
you said something I want to add to this, and
I absolutely it's very rude, but I guess I do
want to add to thought. And also somebody that went
into it feeling a bit like God ordained this experience,
like that this was that you were on a almost
divine path towards your wife by entering into the show,
(18:03):
which I think is also a huge element when you're
explaining your emotions.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
So yeah, So, to say the least, I was served
up a big old serving of humble pop and I think.
I think that is part of my story, you know,
is I go on there thinking this has got to
be it and having it done my way in my mind,
like I had a vision of how the whole season
was going to play out, how the filming was going
(18:31):
to play out, and it didn't play out anywhere remotely
close to my vision. So I the whole time tried
always bringing it back to my path that I had
a vision for, essentially leaning on my own understanding, right
and not just trying to let go and focus on, Hey,
what does God actually have in store for this path
(18:53):
of my life? And it was it was just the
whole thing was a crucible, you know, it was a
runing process, if you will. I was like trial by fire.
I guess it's a better way to put it. And
it really tested me and who I was. You know,
if you're putting a crucible and a lot of pressures
(19:14):
applied and you're squeezed, who you truly are.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Is what comes out.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And I realized I had a lot of things that
I was dealing with in my life, and I can't
wait to talk about some of those things that were
revealed to me that I grew through and again, I'll
get there. But as far as you know, you asking
like take us through the season, like what were you thinking?
What were you feeling the emotions? Man, that is a
deep loaded question, but I'll try to keep it short
(19:39):
and concise here. Essentially, I was in like, all right,
the mindset of all right, I'm going to go into
this without any expectations, but also kind of back of
my head like, oh, this has got to be wise
because I'm gonna end up with, you know, Hannah Brown.
And then I started really getting selfish with no, no, this
is how it's going to be. And then the competitor
(20:01):
in me came out. I mean, let's be let's be real.
I mean I knew this going in. You know, it's
not a typical dating scenario when you're sharing your girlfriend
with thirty other dudes to start, you know, and then
it starts narrowing down. It's almost like a gladiator setting
where it's like last man standing. You got to compete
to show that you're the one, which is an absolute
(20:23):
recipe for disaster if you're truly competing, right, like, you
should just be authentic and be yourself. And I think
that's what really got in the way of Like I
said earlier, there's many times where I shot myself on
the foot, whether it was you know, the rugby scene,
things that came out of my mouth, you know, lying
to some of the contestants. And we'll get there and
(20:44):
I'll answer why some of those things happened. But that's
essentially what was going on in my mind, and it
was just an absolute domino effect to disaster. But again
for sure isolated. A lot of the guys had singled
me out that point and they're really questioning, I can't why.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Are you keeping this guy around.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I kept hanging around till the end, and then there's
obviously a lot of questions you guys could ask me
about the ending of everything, but I'll just say this,
it was definitely very emotional for me because I also
had expectations of you know, who handles and who I
wanted Hannah to be versus you know, what she wanted
(21:25):
and who she was, So that, you know, also has
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
To do with how the ending, you know, panned out.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Tell me if I'm wrong, but to remove most of it,
to simplify it down to a point, you came onto
the show with an arrogance and an expectation orally that
I'm assuming where we'll get to on where that has
spit you out. But you walked into it believing that
(21:56):
this was you know, I mean I had a similar prayer,
which was God closed one door if this isn't meant
for me, and every door slammed open. And I think
I see a lot of the reasoning for that. Doesn't
mean it was easy and that I didn't learn along
the way, but I think there is this expectation where, hey,
(22:16):
this is so weird that I'm going to say yes
to this dating show, so against anything else that's been
brought up to me in life. This has to be
for a purpose of some kind. But I think the
difference would have been there you were walking and knowing
who the bachelor was going to be and believing that
this was something that was meant to be a part
(22:38):
of your story. So there was a little arrogance or
a lot of arrogance. I won't you can clarify there was.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
A little to start, and then it became a lot.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Okay, fair, and now you can continue because I think
that's a great platform to kind of push off on
why the season played out the way it did.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Can I have one question that that if you if
you did feel like this was God calling you to
find your wife and your wife being Hannah did what
did you think he was calling the other twenty nine
guys for?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And again in that moment, because that was again me
dealing with arrogance and being naive, I believe he called
me to be them, to be steps under my feet
to get there. Now, that's not what I would think now.
And again the arrogant guy that was, Oh, this is
why I'm here, That's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Okay, well that leads perfectly into could now.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah. Man, Yeah, So anyway, so I just want to
dive into this one pound set. I'm going to kind
of change the conversation for a minute and dive into
this because there's a list of things I learned and
we can get into others. But I think this is
probably the best message I could give to bring some
listeners value here, because man, I was humbled and I
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think that this really helped me and has continued to
help me.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
A lot in my life.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So I want to talk about an insecurity that I
didn't know I had that the show like exposed how
big this insecurity was.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
My life.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It didn't take me.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Let me back up.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
It took me coming off the show for several weeks
after episodes are airing, and I don't know exactly how many,
but let's say it was just a couple of months
after the you know, episodes start airing, and I'm sitting
down with my brother and a mentor of my mind
who happened to be my brother's father in law, and
we're sitting down in his office and they're like, all right, Luke, yeah,
(24:47):
let's sit down and talk about this. They're like, hey,
we can understand why you did, you know, the whole
Rugby stuff, you know, this thing over here, We can
understand the Balogney scene, whatever, but like this one moment,
you're standing from this other guy named Luke.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Luke s.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Tell us what happened because you literally lied to that
guy straight to his face. And I'm sitting there and
it took me a long time of like I'm trying
to deflect and give excuses, and I'm like, well, this
and that, and the producers behind the scenes over here,
you know, manipulating me in this.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
All these different things. And then my brother stopped me.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
He goes, look, dude, you need to start taking ownership
because you're just deflecting. And it took me several minutes
of silence of just really trying to reflect, and I
told him, I go, well, I'll be honest. You know,
the words that came out of my mouth and my
actions did not line up with truly who I am,
(25:48):
what I believe it. And I was worried about what
everyone in the room was thinking to me. And my
brother looked at me. He was like, brother, brother, I'm
proud of you, like you're taking ownership. Finally, and my
mentor at the time, his name is Bucky, he goes, now,
we're making some progress, and he goes, let's talk about it,
because that is fear of man. So I want to
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talk about this insecurity and it's essentially what most people know.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
As being self conscious.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Right, So this idea that you're so worried about what
other people are thinking of you that literally the way
you walk, the way you talk in your actions don't
even line up with who you are and what you
believe in.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So I started thinking replaying it, I'm like, I got
eight cameras on me in the room. I got all
these guys lined up. Luke gas is talking to me
about conversations you know, he's having with Hannah, I'm having
with Hannah that I literally just lie to his face
because I'm worried about all what everyone else is thinking,
except for saying truly what I believe. Almost like this
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like people pleaser type personality came out right, and it
was all because I had fear of man and I
was too self conscious, and I started talking to my
mentor my brother a lot on it. And I think
it's truly an amazing perspective if no matter what we're
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talking about in life, whether it's business, family relationships, anything like,
really pay attention to the times in the moments where
what you're saying, what you're doing isn't lining up with
who you are and what you believe it. And I
think a lot of the time, whether it's like silly
things like I started thinking I was really doing a
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debrief on my entire life, like for example, like me
sitting in algebra class and not raising my hand and
asking the professor, hey, will you answer this question for me?
Because I was too worried about other people thinking I
wasn't intelligent in the room, and I would literally wait
so after class to talk to a friend who's really
good at college algebra and ask him for tutoring license
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because I was too scared to literally raise my hand
and ask professor a simple question that I'm sure other
people probably had a similar question in the room. But
yet we start thinking, oh, you know, so and so
might be thinking this is me or this is me,
And I just wanted to share a quick scenario that
I think is pretty cool, A quick little like mini
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mindset tool, And it's how you describe fear. So if
you line up F E A R, fear is false
evidence appearing real. And this is this is a little
phrase if you will, or perspective mindset tool, if you will.
That another mentor gave me as well. And I love
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this scenario. It's kind of crazy, if they'll just bear
with me for a second. So picture all of us
right now, the three of us standing on the top
of a skyscraper. Just really it's all dully and there's
kind of like a little thing that we can walk
out on. That's pretty scary, right, you know, if you
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lose your balance, you're going to fall. If I go
out on this high plank, If you will, on this skyscraper. Now,
if fear is fake, right, it's false evidence appearing real.
If I walk out on this skyscraper, I'm for sure
gonna be freaking out.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
If I lose balance, I'm literally gonna fall off and
I'm not gonna make it.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Danger is real, but fear is fake. It's false evidence
appearing real. So if I have great balance, right, I
can perfectly fine walk out on this high plank and
turn around and walk back. But when I start walking
up out on it, I look down and that false
evidence starts appearing like it's gonna become a reality, and
it scares me. Now, the danger is real, but the
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fear is fake. If I would just stay calm and
walk out perfect balance and walk back, I'd be totally fine.
And similarly, when you walk into a room, sometimes you
might be self conscious of, oh, you know, my ears
might look big, or I don't know if I look
good in this outfit, or my shoes don't match my shorts.
Like we start sometimes in life start giving people these
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notions like, oh, they got to be thinking this and me,
and a lot of times they're not thinking at all
of that of you. At the end of the day,
like people are going to listen to what you say,
and they're going to pay attention.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
To what you do. They're not worried about your appearance.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
And having the thought this is another little nugget that
my brother shares with me and is just like this,
like what should matter most to me is what God
thinks of me and not everyone else. Then I serve
an audience of one as my focus, then that will
allow me to go into any scenario. If I can
just keep that my focus and bringing exactly who I
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am what I believe in to the table, being perfectly authentic,
which obviously I'm a human, I'm not gonna be perfect.
But if I can focus on those things and be
free of worrying too much about what other people think
of me, then truly I can step into any scenario
and what comes out of my mouth and my actions
will line up with who I am, what I believe in.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
I think there's two things there that when you're when
you're walked in front of a million people who don't
share the same faith tradition as you, probably look at
it and can use to to weaponize it. And honestly, fairly,
I think we both would have to say fairly because
they see this man who's speaking out granted goodness, gracious,
(31:28):
like not gonna say like, you know, you're the worst
scum of the earth for doing it, But it's it's
it's I think it came to the audience's mind was
your man is speaking out and then you lie. But
then at the same time you're still holding others to
a moral standard that you don't seem to be, as
you said, with your actions showing yourself, and I think
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it it does confuse the audience. And I also think
there is this element too, where you know, pleasing God
is the focus, but there's also this beautiful opportunity to
try to get along with the jew and the gentile
wherever they're at in life, and to try to relate
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with everyone and to speak with them in a language
that helps people get along. And I think that's where
a lot of this gets confusing. Is it felt like
it was this like almost dogmatic, like this is how
things are going to go mentality. And then we have
this scenario with Luke S. I didn't remember his last initial,
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but Luke S. The people are like, wait, this guy
over simple term is a hypocrite in this moment, not
in general, but in this moment, and he seems he
seems to show no regard for another really beautiful you
know principle of let's try to get along with people.
(32:53):
Let's try not to be the one that's always bucking
the fringes here and pushing people aside. And so I
think that's where fans, because we're here today to say, yeah, man, I.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Don't think there's anybody.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Maybe there is some troll out there as like that
dude sucks, say the same thing for me and Ashley
as well. So you're not alone in that camp that
people think we suck. I think most people are like
just confused at this, like almost aggressive take you took
on this is how things are going to go, this
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is what's right and wrong, and if you're not following
the lead, move aside. So I find the most interesting
element of all this because we've admitted you've learned a lot.
It's amazing, it's beautiful, like people can learn from that
this the show humbled you. And I think that's the
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most interesting element that I want to go back to,
is loot your faith is important to you because you've
had an interaction with the divine that's changed your life forever.
Nobody's gonna doubt that. But this show was a really
hard season of for you. But also the tough seasons
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allow us amazing growth and so through this kind of
getting slapped in the face with humble Pie.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, what was going like?
Speaker 5 (34:19):
What like when did you get humbled? I mean, was
it the Bucky moment where and he said take ownership, buddy,
now we're doing something. Was it the hate that came
and feeling like you couldn't do anything right? Like walk
us through this this season from arrogance to humility to
then growth.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
From the show.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I have three three moments to stick out in my head,
and I'll try to be quick about them. One moment
was when I was in Greece trying to thank hold
on what week is that? That's that's the very end
of the season. So I mean I got I got
some humble pie early on in the show, like in
the middle, I guess of the show as far as
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that goes, like slowly starts realizing how things were gonna
go in the season. I didn't know I was going
to be completely villainized. Villainized, yes, thank you, but yeah,
somewhere so Greece was Fantasy Sweets Week and I remember
sitting and man, it was beautiful.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
We're in We're on the eye on the creek in.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
The middle of the Mediterranean, and like I have like
perfect place to feel like light in joy and I'm
feeling the opposite. And I have my own like master suite.
I got my own private pool and balcony. I remember
sitting there alone in my room, waiting on a handler
to come hang out with me, and it was a
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down day. We started filming the next day and I
remember sitting there no cell phone, because you know, you
land in LA and they take your phone.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
You don't see it again until the season.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Depending on who you are, you might have a privilege
here and there, but like maybe one phone call because
of hometowns or something. And I'm sitting there and it
hit me I have no one to ask questions.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
And that was another thing I learned was about community.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Like, man, if you're going through something in your life,
like tell a brother or a sister about it, you know,
reach out to some friends and try to have some
wise guidance and wise counsel in your life. So we
didn't have that right we get our phones taken. So
I remember that being one moment of feeling like, honestly
just lonely, and I started feeling like I have all
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these questions I want to ask a lot of people
in my life who are very wise about how to
handle relationships and how to analyze situations, and I need help,
and I feel isolated at this point. I'm so far
in this thing, I don't really know what to do.
So that was one moment I just felt really alone,
and then just lack of community.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
And then there was a moment when.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I was I really don't remember what episode just got released,
but it was like two or three weeks in of
so about two or three episodes.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
In of me being villainized.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And I remember being home talking to my brother about
because we're just talking about business, like, Hey, what do
you want to do for a living? Now you're going
to have eventually this following. You know, what do you
want to use your utilize your platform for? Is it
you know, a fitness business?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Is it this?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
You know, let's let's utilize this platform. But yet that's
part of our conversations and then the other part of
our conversations, and I'm like dude, I want to run
from the world. I want to delete my Instagram. I'm
getting all this hate. I'm villainized now. I'm literally have
like dms in my inbox, like dude, you are a
piece of crap, like go kill yourself, Like and that's
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a pretty you know, like some really harsh dms of
all the things under the sun you could you could
think of.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
And it hit me in that moment. I was like.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Why, Like why God would you put me through this?
I thought it was for this girl at that moment. Also,
I knew why it wasn't for her, but I was
still wrestling, like how could any good come from this?
And I was wrestling. There's no other way to put it.
I was wrestling with God and I was still just
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and I couldn't see the light at the end of
the tunn if you will. I couldn't see the good
that was going to come from it. I couldn't see
all these open doors in the future of my life
that were going to be opened. I could I didn't
see all these things he was going to use me
for in the future of my life, to grow me
as a man. Like I said, I didn't see my
future wife at that time, I didn't see the beautiful
wife I was gonna marry, and the beautiful son I
was going to have in the future, and all these
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business opportunities and ways that I could use my platform
in a positive way to really help people, because that's
essentially what I believe I'm probably do on surface, inspire
people to be the best version themselves and inspire people
to get to know God, their creator. And that's what
I've been on a warpath to, you know, live in
my purpose and do and I'm doing my best to
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pursue that. And I didn't see any of that. I
was just felt like I hit rock bottom. I'm getting
all these dms of you know, go kill yourself, you're
a worthless like you should just you know, do this,
do that.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
You're you know, a piece of this, piece of that, and.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I was I was again, even with family and having
the people in my life that were in my inner
circle that I could rely on and you know, get
Wise's counsel from, I was getting all that, and I
was still just broken because I didn't understand why I
had gone through all those things.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
And it took me a bit of time.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
But then I started realizing as I'm you know when
I say, I was broken, Like man, I was just
crying into my pillow, wondering why and thinking, how's it
gonna look next week.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
I had no idea it was gonna look like that.
I can't imagine next week.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Like the lead up the Monday night primetime television for
ABC as The Bachelorette was like so daunting every lead
up to every episode, I was like, just I just
want to turn off the world, like the light switch.
And again I can laugh about it now, but like
it was the hardest thing and I by far have
ever gone through in my entire life, and.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Way worse than the cross for games.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And I finally grasped this thing, I guess this perspective,
and it was that hurt people, hurt you. And that's
what burdened me as far as like we want to
talk about you know, I forget the phrases or the
language that are thrown around a lot besides just hate
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if you will, like, let's talk about social media, because
everyone feels like they have a voice to be heard
on social media, especially the trolls that will DM you
all sorts of craziness. And I truly was burdened for
those people because I received so many direct messages of
just hate. And I realized that people that have true,
deep issues in their life, that are truly hurt themselves
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have no problem with hurting others. It's the only thing
they know how to do to cope with it. And
that was a big thing I learned, was hurt people
hurt people, and I started to not listen.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Just for clarity, are you throwing yourself into the hurt
category or others others?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (41:37):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
So as I was hurt and broken and then started
to recover, I started realizing because man, I really wanted
to delete my social media because it was rough, Like
I didn't want to listen to the noise, you know.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
And then.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I finally started I mean, I wouldn't if I saw dms.
I'd let my uh my brother read those.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
I wouldn't read. I wouldn't read all those beause there's
a lot of hate.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
But I guess what I'm saying is when I fully
started grasping and understanding like, Okay, just like you guys, right,
God has a plan for your life. And I started realizing, Okay,
there is light at the end of the tunnel and
I started developing this you know, confidence and encouragement again
and you know, his plan, and then finally.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Started seeing some fruits slowly you know, happened from it.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
But again from a psychological standpoint, what I'm saying is
people that have issues in their life and that are
hurt whatever it is they're going through.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
They will they have no problem hurting other people.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Like I'm talking about trolls that are, you know, gonna
throw shade until you to go kill yourself because they're
hiding behind a screen on Instagram. That's what I'm referring to.
And that helped me have a better understanding of I
guess a better It helped me receive those messages better
because really, I just it didn't hurt my feelings these messages.
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It really started making me hurt for those individuals because
I want to see those broken hearts be mended, you know.
And that didn't happen overnight. I mean talking about this
moment where I was broken myself, and then I would
say it took several months after the show. This is
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the third moment. So you asked again, I'm trying to
stick to the question here of like take me through
you know, these times when you were going through these things,
your emotions and what you're feeling. I'd say it took
me several months post the last final episode because that
was a whole other thing in itself of I kind
of got over it, and then the mentell all.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
That was.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
That was rough, and it took me several months after
that to kind of honestly recover and be in a
healthy place mentally. Several months, I would I was definitely
a healthy place mentally, like directly after, but like I'm human,
like going through whether it's like like we just talked about,
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whether it's hate on Instagram or if I was posting
something of me and my family, like trying to tell
a story of me spending time with my family on
my Instagram, I'll just get hundreds of comments of hate
about the show, and I'm like, guys, can I just
like live my life over here?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
You know?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
So that I mean, like, you guys know how it is.
You know, like months to recover from that, because like
I said, you guys know how it is. You'll post
something probably of your family and then if you guys
are trending, you know, on Twitter or something, or maybe
the Bachelor. You know, posts something about you, you know
you'll get flooded comments on the thing you post. It's
nothing to do with the show. That is about a
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particular scene on the show, And it's like, really, come on, I.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Do want to talk about a certain scene on the
show because it was the scene that you're most notorious for, right,
it was the scene where you and Hanna. Well, I
guess there is the rose and the podium move. We
could get there. But I was thinking about when you
guys had that conversation where you said that if you'd
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sup with anybody, Hannah, I wouldn't be interested in continuing this. Now,
given everything that you've learned, how would you navigate that
conversation now?
Speaker 1 (45:28):
To be completely honest, I thought I handled and navigated
that conversation perfectly. But ninety percent of what came out
of my mouth did not air, and I can't share
it because I'm under contract. But I will say this,
it did not pan out the way it showed. That's
all I want to say. I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Just to be clean up the contract situation.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Because you got sued right like right after the show.
That was like public information, right.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Well, this this was my issue with the whole contract
situation is I moved addresses and they were sending me
notices because like I told you guys, it took me
several months to get in like a healthy place how
I viewed this whole situation.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
So I went on. I went on a terror and
got on like.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Dozens of podcast platforms and broke contract of sharing everything
that happened behind the scenes, everything that was said to me.
I'd be curious to go jennified. They were still alone anyway,
and I didn't know that I would get sued. I
think it was twenty or twenty five thousand dollars per
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breach of contract. Was there like rule thumb, And I
didn't even know I was getting notices in the mail,
and I had a bunch in my old address. And
then finally, you know, months into going on all these
podcasts and spill all the tea, I noticed that I
was sued a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Were right, they didn't email you call you because we've
gotten calls before, being like Ashley Ben, can you be
a little bit more careful.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
I got a couple of emails saying like it was
but it wasn't it was they're vague emails. They weren't like, hey,
you're preaching contracts.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Stop it.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Like it was just emails of contacting them like hey,
we'd like to speak to you, and I'm like, I'm
not talking to you.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
It's not happening.
Speaker 5 (47:29):
That was my point, was the reason you're so nervous
about the contract is because it has been a thing
for you.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Oh yeah, I had to get a very expensive lawyer
to help me not pay them a penny when I
was supposed to pay them a lot of money. And yeah,
so that that was like a year drawn out process
with the lawyer.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I get where you're nervous.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
Then, So back to Ashley's question with it, which is
that conversation and how it went you would have done
it differently. I understand why the contract is such a
focus point when it comes to these conversations, specifically about
moments of the show.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, but to answer it, we'll let you continue.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Absolutely so, And look like, I just want to be
clear about this because it's hard for me sometimes to
get in certain details and talk about Hannah because I
don't talk to Hannah currently. I don't I remember the
first few years after the show, I was really hoping
that she and I could reconnect. I reached out to
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her via DM, email, any platform you could think of.
I've tried reaching out to her multiple times. And look,
I'm not throwing shade or hating on her for not replying.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
If I were her, I.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Probably wouldn't reply either. I don't even know if she
saw any of them. You know, she had so many
messages beyond my crazy amount of messages in my inbox.
So I'll say this, I want what's absolute best for her.
You know, I don't anymore. I mean, but I remember
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vividly after the show, just pouring my heart out for
her in prayer, praying for her future and her family
and her heart. So you can imagine, you know, my
heart was very invested in that show. So I said
a lot of the things I said on the show
to be kind of crazy, you know, like how can
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you tell someone you love them or feel so anyway?
Not to get in those details either, but be so
invested in someone that's a short period of time, and
that was very again naive about a lot. But to
answer your questions, Bess, I can ashually sorry for you know,
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being a little dodgy, but.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
I'll say this. I it was this simple.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I held Hannah not to a standard of my own,
which I did, but more so how I handled that
situation was I was trying to hold her to a
standard that she said she wanted.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
I mean, you're talking about my hometown date.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Like she literally came and talked to my youth ministry,
which I was helping lead, like the college and young
adults at my church at the time, and that was
my hometown date. She literally came to spend like a
meal and spend time with about fifty people at my church,
young like kids in the youth ministry, and she shared
her testimony and share her story of how she came
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to know God, and shared all these things that she
wasn't going to do in the fantasy suites because she
was going to further conversation in the relationship. And she
shared this path that I for sure was going to
hold her to that standard of Oh, this is what
you want, good, this is what I want.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
Let's get on this path.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
And look not to say anything about her in any
judgmental way, Like again, I'd pray for her in her future.
And I've heard that because I don't really keep up
with her. But I've heard she's doing great now and
that makes me happy. I don't know all that she's
involved with. But that was why it panned out the
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way it did is I was just trying to follow
what she was saying. And that's again I'm trying to
be as clear and concise as possible.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
I think you're making sense. I think you're making sense.
In the you felt like you were communicating to her
things that you believed, either correctly or incorrectly.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
That she wanted exactly.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
And we saw ten percent of what you say is
a longer conversation where you communicate with her, and.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
I do I mean, I think you know it did.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
It came off as uh, it came off as dogmatic,
it came off as aggressive as and I guess one
of the beautiful parts about the infamous segment is we
will never know, because that whole footage will never be shown,
of what that conversation looked like and the sensitivity you
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took walking into it, the wisdom that you took walking
into it to communicate to her not just what you
think she wanted, but what you wanted, which I think
is such a vital piece of the show. Is and
really of so many scenarios we've all learned from is
making sure that you're communicating what you.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Want and not putting your own.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
Opinions on somebody else because maybe you know, the assumptions
that you made were things that she took offensively.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Now I find your story you need.
Speaker 5 (53:00):
Because you've spoken here throughout this hour about what you
wanted to use your platform for and it wass we close.
We started this whole show with a conversation now about
your wife, your son, kid on the way, also years
(53:21):
removed from the show, and I'm still trying to get
to be honest, I don't know how else to say it,
still trying to get.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Out of you what you've learned.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
Like it feels like there's still this like defensiveness when
it comes to this season, and maybe that's rightfully so,
because we haven't seen at all, Like we don't.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
See it all. But maybe the way to get to
it is.
Speaker 5 (53:48):
Now you're a husband, the show is behind you, New
chapters begin, new careers are starting this season of life
with the show and the humility that it brought you
to and the confusion that it brought you towards, and
the lessons that you learned it spit you out now
(54:11):
today to be what man to your wife, to your son,
to the kid on the way, to your friends.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
How did it change you? Maybe is the best way
to ask it.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Absolutely, We talked about the fear Man conversation, the whole
being self conscious right to the point where what comes
out of your mouth and what your actions don't line
up with who you are and what you believe in.
So let's just I'll put a quick little summary statement
over that as far as what I learned right is
be authentic, right, be who you are, no matter the circumstance.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
Okay, And then I'd say, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
I did touch on a little bit of the community aspect, right,
like make sure you have some people in your corner
that will fight for you and be real and tell
you not just what you want to hear, but what
you need to hear, which is impossible on the show
because your cell phone gets stripped from you and you
have zero communication with the outside world. So right, always
making sure you have people in your corner that will
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push you to be your best and hold you accountable
to standard that you want to hold.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
And then another one.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
That would be as far as what I learned is hey,
look like, no matter what you've done in your life,
that does not define me. What's most important is what
you go through is how you're going to handle it.
And a lot of people say, hey, what you go through,
you can either go through it and take a seat,
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or you can grow through it and learn from it
and make the most out of it. And that's essentially
what I've done. My best to do from my experience
on the show is not just go through it, but
grow through it. And you know, I've learned that authenticity
is the way be real and don't worry about whether
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people are thinking. Stay true to who you are and
what you believe in. I'd say that's definitely what's most important.
Speaker 5 (56:05):
And so just just that in there, because I do
think it's a nugget that's really essential. And Ashley and
I've talked about before, but you're saying, I think people
can hear this, and if they don't come from a
similar faith background, they're jump they could jump to conclusions.
But this fear of man and being an authentic is
(56:28):
only done well in life when you have the openness
to be held accountable by others as well.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
So that's good.
Speaker 5 (56:40):
Running your race straightforward, being authentic and burning down every
bridge and every human that comes in your path. Even
though that is authentic, it's not healthy. It's not what
God has called you to. It's not at any level
of a of a way that you would expect somebody
to be a witness or to help and not her
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this world. And so you can only be authentic and
correct me here, I'm making a statement to try to clarify. Yeah,
what you're saying. You can only be authentic if you're
also willing to be held accountable by a trusted group
that will stand up and say check yourself.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
Yeah, that's good. I would agree with that.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
Okay, all right, Luke, Well, we just wanted to We
want to say thank you, and we also want to
get your last thoughts on Hannah Brown. She's about to
get married. You said that you didn't really keep up
with her. She is getting married this month to her fee. Yeah,
so we just kind of wanted to see if you
had anything to sit her.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah. I would, I mean, I would say this, you know,
I hope she has an incredible marriage. I pray that
God blesses it in the name of Jesus, and I
hope her and her husband have a incredible marriage. Yeah,
and I hope bored willing, they have beautiful children.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
What's her husband's name, Ashley Adam Adam. He's a stud.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
He's a stud.
Speaker 5 (58:14):
Luke, thank you for joining us today. Thank you for
sharing this. I know it's not easy with the contractual,
the fear.
Speaker 3 (58:23):
Of contract, and we understand it's very frustrating to tell
your story when you can't, you know, say every line that.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
Was, But I think you successfully did it.
Speaker 5 (58:32):
I don't see any red flags here that they're gonna say, Oh.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
The fear of contract is something.
Speaker 4 (58:38):
Yeah, hopefully they'll notice this in the mail to be.
Speaker 5 (58:40):
Weariosome of Luke. Thanks for joining us today. Hey, best
of luck in the next chapter for you. I know
you said that you're going to be transitioning from what
you've been doing to what is coming. And then also
your second child is on the way.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Uh so.
Speaker 5 (58:56):
Goodness gracious, congratulations on one and now two beautiful wife
in this family that you have.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
And I know new.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
Chapters are always exciting but also scary, so we wish
you the best.
Speaker 4 (59:10):
Thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
Thank you Sea, Sea. Well that was Luke Parker and
until next time. I've been Ashley and.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
I'm in Ben. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Sometimes roses are red Flags.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of Infamous. Sometimes Roses
are Red Flags. It's Ben and Ashley and we are
here with you to dive a little deeper into some
of the characters that you either loved or loathed during
the series. And today we are going back to Hannah
Brown season of The Bachelorette. This cast member. Was he misunderstood?
(00:30):
Has he changed? Well, today we will find out. Please
welcome Luke Parker to the show, who we just did
a little chat with before we started recording. And Luke,
you are not just married, which we had seen headlines about,
but you are father. Congratulations, dam thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, it's been for all his fathers mothers out there.
You guys know, it's been quite the ride. Yes, old, Yeah,
So I have a nine month old and currently my
wife is twenty two weeks pregnant.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
So we have we just found out wait.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
The math eight math in there. You have a nine
month old?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yes, so we're two months away from I just learned
this term. I don't know if you guys know it,
but two months away from Irish twins. So if you
have two children, whether it's a border girl that are
within a year apart, then it's considered considered Irish twins.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
But they're going to be fourteen months apart.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Okay, she's nine months and she's currently pregnant. So she
got pregnant. Okay, yeah, okay, so the math that is
technically math. I'm so sorry. I'm not a mathematician obviously,
but she got pregnant within two months of having your son.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
No, it was not, it wasn't that close, but it
was within a few Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
That's so she's twenty two weeks. Okay, again, I need
a pen and.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Paper as interesting as it is for Ashley to try
to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, I am fully embarrassed right now.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You know, you're good. I'm not a math genius either.
He's roughly six months.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Okay, so sorry, I wasn't even thinking she's six months now,
and so there're gonna be three that she was she
got pregnant at three or four months?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Okay, Okay, she was four months most part?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, okay, all right, that's not Actually the most out
righteous thing.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Was this planned?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Was this wanted to be this way? Okay?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Then does anybody plan that I don't think anybody plans
within four months of I.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Mean when we had our daughter, Jessica, I was laying
in the hospital room and Jessica goes, let's do it again,
and I said, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I just saw what your.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Body did in the hospital room.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah. She was like, this is the best. I would
do it a thousand times. And I'm like, you're your wife.
Is a chance you're crazy?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I saw this and I don't know how you would
even think about this right now. Luke So you have
a family, is this is Cooksville where you're from?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So grew up Northeast Florida, like Jacksonville area, and then.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
After college, bounced around.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Played college baseball, and then after college I moved to
North Georgia to be closer to family, and that's where
my older brother lived. He and I were super tight,
and then I was there for I want to say,
like three years, and then I went on the show.
And that's why on the show I say I'm from Gainesville, Georgia,
because that's where I lived at the time, but that
wasn't where I was reiginally from. And then for the
(03:30):
last five years I've been in Cookeville, Tennessee, and what
brought me there was really CrossFit. I don't know if
you guys are familiar with CrossFit much, Yeah, but they're
like quote unquote Michael Jordan CrossFit is Rich Frohning is
a ten time Games Champion gold medalist and he owns
(03:51):
CrossFit Mayhem, which is like the most famous CrossFit gym
in the world. And his poor values on his business
are faith, family, fitness service. And I got to be
a part of a few nonprofit events he was a
part of, and he invited me to come be a
part of the Mayhem family, and then he pretty much
turned me into a professional cross the athlete. And that's
(04:11):
what I've been doing for like the last five years
of my life and actually currently in the transitional season
of my life, so going in a different direction and
competing across it.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And that's as of like a week and a half ago.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Why is that.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I just feel like Dad's calling me to the next
chapter of my life. And it's been a huge blessing
being a part of the Man family. And I'll always
be a part of the Mayhem family. And the connections
I've built here in Cookeville, I just you know, I
got two sons now and got gotta start taking care
of my family and focusing on some other things.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So what's the difference between a cult and CrossFit?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Oh that's such a good question.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Oh man, I could talk so much on that, but
I'll keep it light. I'd say CrossFit's focus is obviously
just to build a strong community and be fit for life. Right,
So that's that's really why we do all the crazy
fitness we do.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
But yeah, it does definitely seem like a cult.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
So you became controversial on Hannah season not because you
weren't there for the wrong reasons. Everybody thought that you
were there for the right reasons, right, And now you
have found your wife. How did you to meet.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's a phenomenal question. So let me back up. So
I just kind of the story I just told of
me going from North Georgia to Cookville, Tennessee and going
to pursue competitive CrossFit. I got invited f I'm rich
himself at a nonprofit event, and that same nonprofit event
(05:55):
the following year. Essentially it was like an OCR race,
which just stands for Obstacle Course course racing, and all
of the proceeds to sign up for this race.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
It was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's like a four mile run through like the woods
in Alabama, and there's like different up school or CrossFit
movement stations throughout the race. Anyway, all the proceeds went
to the nonprofit, which is Mayhem missioned. And I was
just helping serve at the event, and so was my
future wife. At the time, we had no idea who
each other were. Her name's Jennifer and yeah, we were
(06:26):
like helping each other build a sign, and then just
after helping serve the event, we got to know each other.
And it was actually really interesting because my buddy rich
Fronning was getting a lot of pictures because he's like this,
you know, most well known dude in the cross the space,
and I'm like a nobody in CrossFit. But then I
had like a group of young girls line up to
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take pictures with me, and my wife's like, okay, is
he like a famous crossfitter?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And then she found out I was on reality TV
and I took her to lunch and she was she
had one day eye brought up like all right, who's
this guy?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Because you know, uh, there's quite the stereotype for people
that go on reality TV, so she was very concerned
with who she was going up to lunch with.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
But now after it was actually pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I'll try to keep this brief, but after being at
Mayhem and representing them as an athlete, she worked for
Mayhem and we were friends for like a year and
a half to two years before ever like really considering
dating each other, and.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I thought that really helped us learn who each other were.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And then you know, we were kind of like, hey,
you know, you got the qualities of my future spouse,
so I want to go on the date. And then
things ramped up quickly and now here we are with
a son and another.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
On the way.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's it's so interesting.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
You talk about the stereotype from people going to reality shows,
which I think is very true and it's probably fair
in a lot of ways. But your time on the show,
if I remember it correctly, it felt like you were
kind of going within that line of like, hey, this
(08:10):
is how a reality show works. And there's like a
moment kind of towards the end where things got more
serious that you kind of started to speak up and
you tried to go against the grain of really what
the show was. So, when you signed up for the
show and you said yes for the show, did you
go into it with any kind of like intentional ways
(08:31):
that you were going to progress through it or were
you just doing it trying to be yourself throughout it
and getting kind of mixed up in the whole madness
that is the Bachelorette.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, it's a phenomenal question. So unlike most people. I
don't know your gout story. But unlike most people who
sign themselves up for the show and whether they get
a reality TV coach or not and get studied up
on you know what they're going to go up against.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Time out, there's reality television coaches Like excuse me, I
didn't know that was a thing. If there are no.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Dang fifty percent of the dudes on my season admitted
to that.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
What do you mean they had a coach or they
had like a gal pal back at home that had
watched it.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I had like friends that were like, Hey, this is
what happens on this show, but I never.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, maybe that was a bit much. So to your point,
I don't know the details. It could have been a
friend that was on Survivor or whatever. You know, given
you know tips and tricks, but anyway to answer your question,
I definitely just full transparency here. You know, at that
season of my life, I was trying to.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Figure out what to do.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I was working for my brother, and I just got
done playing college baseball, and.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I was just like a typical.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Baseball player who found this identity in baseball and was
working through that and trying to find out what to
do with his life, and just typical jock who was like,
all right, what do I do now? And then my
sister in law was a fan of the show from
years back. I just got out of a pretty tough
breakup graduating college, and she's like, oh, I'm gonna sign
Luke up. I had no idea. I thought it was
(10:12):
a prank call. I got a call in the truck,
like from LA and they asked me to proceede the
application process, and I was like, are some prank calling here?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Anyway?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Long story short, I saw because Houlton season was airing,
and I'm like continuing down the application process and starting
to realize that they keep asking me for the next step,
and the next step like Okay, this actually might happen,
And I was just totally naive personality wise.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I noticed that Hannah.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Brown got selected, and then she made a few comments
on Colton season like she was striving to be a
wife of noble character or excuse me, p thirty one woman,
which is Proverbs thirty one talking about the wife and
noble character, which is like the perfect blueprint to literally
the the perfect attributes of the perfect wife. And I'm thinking, oh, man,
(11:04):
she wants to be a Pieter. Anyone woman like this
would be the only thing that brings me on a
reality TV show where you share a girlfriend with multiple
dudes and try to narrow it down the one, which
seems crazy. Yeah, And I just went into it honestly
thinking that it was just again totally naive, thinking, oh,
(11:26):
this has got to be, you know, God ordained. This
has got to be why this crazy series of events
and has happened in my life, and all these dots
are connecting, and this has got to be why I'm
going to go on the show. So that is kind
of why you see me sit the mold, if you will,
in in and on that season of like having this
(11:49):
odd confidence in thinking I'll make it to the end,
and then also just a whirlwind of other you know
variables if you will not to mention it kind of
shot myself in the foot a few times. But we
won't have to get into all the like what aired
and what didn't air and all that stuff. But I
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don't know, did you guys watch the full season?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Both of you actually?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And uh, yes we did. It has been a while,
you know, I'm looking back memory. You were always somebody
that the guys weren't the biggest fan of, and then
you're most known, of course for when it comes down
to fantasy suites. So if knowing about fantasy Suites going
(12:37):
into the show and what you were thinking of Hannah,
what did you expect was going to happen?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And I can I just say this before I answered
that question, and then I'd actually like you to re
answer it. I just want to be transparent here for
a second, because it's it's been a minute. I mean,
I get to share a little bit of my story
and what I.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Learned from the show.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Pretty frequently, because there's a list of things I got
to learn and how I how I deal with them
in a positive and a positive way now in my life.
But I won't lie like just thinking about all the
things I went through on a deep level and trying
to talk about certain details. I won't lie, it's it's
pretty hard for me. This is definitely one of the
(13:24):
hardest things I've ever gone through in my entire life.
And you guys got to see the light that was
you know, portrayed on me and and through that process,
and again, I'm so thankful for it. It's helped me
grow so in that season of my life. It helped
me grow so much as a man. It helped me
grow so much and truly realizing what I wanted in
(13:44):
a future wife. And it truly helped me grow a
lot in my relationship with God so and grow closer
to my family because they were I was dragging them
through the mug with me through the entire experience. But
I say all to say, I really want to do
my best to be real on this podcast and try
to provide your audience with value. And I have to
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bring up the fact that you know, I still am
under contract for the rest of my life with you know,
Warner Brothers and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
We are, right, do you understand how to teeter the line?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I don't know if I know how to teeter that line.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I think maybe let's rephrase Ashley's question a little bit here,
because I think her question did bring out two scenarios.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Right.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
It did feel like watching it, the guys were not
like it did feel like you were isolated on your
own island, that they were not a fan of you,
maybe is the most like direct way to say it.
And it felt like the Fantasy Suites were a moment
where it was like this this whole season we were
kind of watching and wondering, Hey, who is this guy
(15:02):
and like what is he about to do? It feels
like the guys see something that maybe we don't see
yet in him, and then it kind of all explodes
right towards the end, which is always the worst time
to explode, because then the show ends like two weeks
later and you're still getting talked about and like you
haven't had a chance for explanation. And I think the
show good, bad, and different, it doesn't give the moment
(15:27):
for explanation, even if that explanation is one that the
fans still won't enjoy or like or get behind. At
least you know, now years removed, looking back, as you said,
you've grown you can explain.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So I think the now with what you said. When
a rephrase that would.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Be we know what you did, we know what you said,
we know how you went through it, we know how
the people viewed you. What have you learned like during
that time that we didn't see with your family and
your friends, and like what were you feeling? Because my
notes here said like you got defensive publicly.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I think absolutely, And.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
I think that just makes it feels like you're doubling down,
so the audience doubles down.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
But if we can like pull off all that.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Now yours removed, You're married with a kid and another
kid on the way, and life's looking good. What was
going on in your head? What were you feeling walk
us through that season? Yeah, maybe we didn't get to experience.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, absolutely, And I'd love to dive into I got
a lot I feel like I need to say before
I dive into, like what I learned.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
And I know that this will.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Help provide every listener on here some value just how
they can approach their life, all areas of life as
far as perspective goes. But yeah, first let me just
quick way a quick foundation. I know I talked about,
you know, going on the shows naive didn't really know
I was getting into kind of like the whole you know,
I'm an ex athlete, super competitor, and.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Which makes sense for the rugby scenes on the.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Show, and and and again naive, but thinking, oh, this
has got to be this has got to be.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Why I'm going on the show is because.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'm going to be the guy so naive, extreme competitor
on levels that some people can't comprehend, but also a
man that wants to be delicate.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
And wants to be gentle.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And share his faith like a man, a man of
God right, that wants to share his faith and share
why he does the things he does.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
And let me add into this, yes, because I think
you said something I want to add to this, and
I absolutely it's very rude, but I guess I do
want to add to thought. And also somebody that went
into it feeling a bit like God ordained this experience,
like that this was that you were on a almost
divine path towards your wife by entering into the show,
(18:03):
which I think is also a huge element when you're
explaining your emotions.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
So yeah, So, to say the least, I was served
up a big old serving of humble pop and I think.
I think that is part of my story, you know,
is I go on there thinking this has got to
be it and having it done my way in my mind,
like I had a vision of how the whole season
was going to play out, how the filming was going
(18:31):
to play out, and it didn't play out anywhere remotely
close to my vision. So I the whole time tried
always bringing it back to my path that I had
a vision for, essentially leaning on my own understanding, right
and not just trying to let go and focus on, Hey,
what does God actually have in store for this path
(18:53):
of my life? And it was it was just the
whole thing was a crucible, you know, it was a
runing process, if you will. I was like trial by fire.
I guess it's a better way to put it. And
it really tested me and who I was. You know,
if you're putting a crucible and a lot of pressures
(19:14):
applied and you're squeezed, who you truly are.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Is what comes out.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And I realized I had a lot of things that
I was dealing with in my life, and I can't
wait to talk about some of those things that were
revealed to me that I grew through and again, I'll
get there. But as far as you know, you asking
like take us through the season, like what were you thinking?
What were you feeling the emotions? Man, that is a
deep loaded question, but I'll try to keep it short
(19:39):
and concise here. Essentially, I was in like, all right,
the mindset of all right, I'm going to go into
this without any expectations, but also kind of back of
my head like, oh, this has got to be wise
because I'm gonna end up with, you know, Hannah Brown.
And then I started really getting selfish with no, no, this
is how it's going to be. And then the competitor
(20:01):
in me came out. I mean, let's be let's be real.
I mean I knew this going in. You know, it's
not a typical dating scenario when you're sharing your girlfriend
with thirty other dudes to start, you know, and then
it starts narrowing down. It's almost like a gladiator setting
where it's like last man standing. You got to compete
to show that you're the one, which is an absolute
(20:23):
recipe for disaster if you're truly competing, right, like, you
should just be authentic and be yourself. And I think
that's what really got in the way of Like I
said earlier, there's many times where I shot myself on
the foot, whether it was you know, the rugby scene,
things that came out of my mouth, you know, lying
to some of the contestants. And we'll get there and
(20:44):
I'll answer why some of those things happened. But that's
essentially what was going on in my mind, and it
was just an absolute domino effect to disaster. But again
for sure isolated. A lot of the guys had singled
me out that point and they're really questioning, I can't why.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Are you keeping this guy around.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I kept hanging around till the end, and then there's
obviously a lot of questions you guys could ask me
about the ending of everything, but I'll just say this,
it was definitely very emotional for me because I also
had expectations of you know, who handles and who I
wanted Hannah to be versus you know, what she wanted
(21:25):
and who she was, So that, you know, also has
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
To do with how the ending, you know, panned out.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Tell me if I'm wrong, but to remove most of it,
to simplify it down to a point, you came onto
the show with an arrogance and an expectation orally that
I'm assuming where we'll get to on where that has
spit you out. But you walked into it believing that
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this was you know, I mean I had a similar prayer,
which was God closed one door if this isn't meant
for me, and every door slammed open. And I think
I see a lot of the reasoning for that. Doesn't
mean it was easy and that I didn't learn along
the way, but I think there is this expectation where, hey,
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this is so weird that I'm going to say yes
to this dating show, so against anything else that's been
brought up to me in life. This has to be
for a purpose of some kind. But I think the
difference would have been there you were walking and knowing
who the bachelor was going to be and believing that
this was something that was meant to be a part
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of your story. So there was a little arrogance or
a lot of arrogance. I won't you can clarify there was.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
A little to start, and then it became a lot.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Okay, fair, and now you can continue because I think
that's a great platform to kind of push off on
why the season played out the way it did.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Can I have one question that that if you if
you did feel like this was God calling you to
find your wife and your wife being Hannah did what
did you think he was calling the other twenty nine
guys for?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And again in that moment, because that was again me
dealing with arrogance and being naive, I believe he called
me to be them, to be steps under my feet
to get there. Now, that's not what I would think now.
And again the arrogant guy that was, Oh, this is
why I'm here, That's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Okay, well that leads perfectly into could now.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah. Man, Yeah, So anyway, so I just want to
dive into this one pound set. I'm going to kind
of change the conversation for a minute and dive into
this because there's a list of things I learned and
we can get into others. But I think this is
probably the best message I could give to bring some
listeners value here, because man, I was humbled and I
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think that this really helped me and has continued to
help me.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
A lot in my life.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So I want to talk about an insecurity that I
didn't know I had that the show like exposed how
big this insecurity was.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
My life.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It didn't take me.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Let me back up.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
It took me coming off the show for several weeks
after episodes are airing, and I don't know exactly how many,
but let's say it was just a couple of months
after the you know, episodes start airing, and I'm sitting
down with my brother and a mentor of my mind
who happened to be my brother's father in law, and
we're sitting down in his office and they're like, all right, Luke, yeah,
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let's sit down and talk about this. They're like, hey,
we can understand why you did, you know, the whole
Rugby stuff, you know, this thing over here, We can
understand the Balogney scene, whatever, but like this one moment,
you're standing from this other guy named Luke.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Luke s.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Tell us what happened because you literally lied to that
guy straight to his face. And I'm sitting there and
it took me a long time of like I'm trying
to deflect and give excuses, and I'm like, well, this
and that, and the producers behind the scenes over here,
you know, manipulating me in this.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
All these different things. And then my brother stopped me.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
He goes, look, dude, you need to start taking ownership
because you're just deflecting. And it took me several minutes
of silence of just really trying to reflect, and I
told him, I go, well, I'll be honest. You know,
the words that came out of my mouth and my
actions did not line up with truly who I am,
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what I believe it. And I was worried about what
everyone in the room was thinking to me. And my
brother looked at me. He was like, brother, brother, I'm
proud of you, like you're taking ownership. Finally, and my
mentor at the time, his name is Bucky, he goes, now,
we're making some progress, and he goes, let's talk about it,
because that is fear of man. So I want to
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talk about this insecurity and it's essentially what most people know.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
As being self conscious.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Right, So this idea that you're so worried about what
other people are thinking of you that literally the way
you walk, the way you talk in your actions don't
even line up with who you are and what you
believe in.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So I started thinking replaying it, I'm like, I got
eight cameras on me in the room. I got all
these guys lined up. Luke gas is talking to me
about conversations you know, he's having with Hannah, I'm having
with Hannah that I literally just lie to his face
because I'm worried about all what everyone else is thinking,
except for saying truly what I believe. Almost like this
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like people pleaser type personality came out right, and it
was all because I had fear of man and I
was too self conscious, and I started talking to my
mentor my brother a lot on it. And I think
it's truly an amazing perspective if no matter what we're
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talking about in life, whether it's business, family relationships, anything like,
really pay attention to the times in the moments where
what you're saying, what you're doing isn't lining up with
who you are and what you believe it. And I
think a lot of the time, whether it's like silly
things like I started thinking I was really doing a
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debrief on my entire life, like for example, like me
sitting in algebra class and not raising my hand and
asking the professor, hey, will you answer this question for me?
Because I was too worried about other people thinking I
wasn't intelligent in the room, and I would literally wait
so after class to talk to a friend who's really
good at college algebra and ask him for tutoring license
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because I was too scared to literally raise my hand
and ask professor a simple question that I'm sure other
people probably had a similar question in the room. But
yet we start thinking, oh, you know, so and so
might be thinking this is me or this is me,
And I just wanted to share a quick scenario that
I think is pretty cool, A quick little like mini
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mindset tool, And it's how you describe fear. So if
you line up F E A R, fear is false
evidence appearing real. And this is this is a little
phrase if you will, or perspective mindset tool, if you will.
That another mentor gave me as well. And I love
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this scenario. It's kind of crazy, if they'll just bear
with me for a second. So picture all of us
right now, the three of us standing on the top
of a skyscraper. Just really it's all dully and there's
kind of like a little thing that we can walk
out on. That's pretty scary, right, you know, if you
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lose your balance, you're going to fall. If I go
out on this high plank, If you will, on this skyscraper. Now,
if fear is fake, right, it's false evidence appearing real.
If I walk out on this skyscraper, I'm for sure
gonna be freaking out.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
If I lose balance, I'm literally gonna fall off and
I'm not gonna make it.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Danger is real, but fear is fake. It's false evidence
appearing real. So if I have great balance, right, I
can perfectly fine walk out on this high plank and
turn around and walk back. But when I start walking
up out on it, I look down and that false
evidence starts appearing like it's gonna become a reality, and
it scares me. Now, the danger is real, but the
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fear is fake. If I would just stay calm and
walk out perfect balance and walk back, I'd be totally fine.
And similarly, when you walk into a room, sometimes you
might be self conscious of, oh, you know, my ears
might look big, or I don't know if I look
good in this outfit, or my shoes don't match my shorts.
Like we start sometimes in life start giving people these
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notions like, oh, they got to be thinking this and me,
and a lot of times they're not thinking at all
of that of you. At the end of the day,
like people are going to listen to what you say,
and they're going to pay attention.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
To what you do. They're not worried about your appearance.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
And having the thought this is another little nugget that
my brother shares with me and is just like this,
like what should matter most to me is what God
thinks of me and not everyone else. Then I serve
an audience of one as my focus, then that will
allow me to go into any scenario. If I can
just keep that my focus and bringing exactly who I
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am what I believe in to the table, being perfectly authentic,
which obviously I'm a human, I'm not gonna be perfect.
But if I can focus on those things and be
free of worrying too much about what other people think
of me, then truly I can step into any scenario
and what comes out of my mouth and my actions
will line up with who I am, what I believe in.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
I think there's two things there that when you're when
you're walked in front of a million people who don't
share the same faith tradition as you, probably look at
it and can use to to weaponize it. And honestly, fairly,
I think we both would have to say fairly because
they see this man who's speaking out granted goodness, gracious,
(31:28):
like not gonna say like, you know, you're the worst
scum of the earth for doing it, But it's it's
it's I think it came to the audience's mind was
your man is speaking out and then you lie. But
then at the same time you're still holding others to
a moral standard that you don't seem to be, as
you said, with your actions showing yourself, and I think
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it it does confuse the audience. And I also think
there is this element too, where you know, pleasing God
is the focus, but there's also this beautiful opportunity to
try to get along with the jew and the gentile
wherever they're at in life, and to try to relate
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with everyone and to speak with them in a language
that helps people get along. And I think that's where
a lot of this gets confusing. Is it felt like
it was this like almost dogmatic, like this is how
things are going to go mentality. And then we have
this scenario with Luke S. I didn't remember his last initial,
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but Luke S. The people are like, wait, this guy
over simple term is a hypocrite in this moment, not
in general, but in this moment, and he seems he
seems to show no regard for another really beautiful you
know principle of let's try to get along with people.
(32:53):
Let's try not to be the one that's always bucking
the fringes here and pushing people aside. And so I
think that's where fans, because we're here today to say, yeah, man, I.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Don't think there's anybody.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Maybe there is some troll out there as like that
dude sucks, say the same thing for me and Ashley
as well. So you're not alone in that camp that
people think we suck. I think most people are like
just confused at this, like almost aggressive take you took
on this is how things are going to go, this
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is what's right and wrong, and if you're not following
the lead, move aside. So I find the most interesting
element of all this because we've admitted you've learned a lot.
It's amazing, it's beautiful, like people can learn from that
this the show humbled you. And I think that's the
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most interesting element that I want to go back to,
is loot your faith is important to you because you've
had an interaction with the divine that's changed your life forever.
Nobody's gonna doubt that. But this show was a really
hard season of for you. But also the tough seasons
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allow us amazing growth and so through this kind of
getting slapped in the face with humble Pie.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, what was going like?
Speaker 5 (34:19):
What like when did you get humbled? I mean, was
it the Bucky moment where and he said take ownership, buddy,
now we're doing something. Was it the hate that came
and feeling like you couldn't do anything right? Like walk
us through this this season from arrogance to humility to
then growth.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
From the show.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I have three three moments to stick out in my head,
and I'll try to be quick about them. One moment
was when I was in Greece trying to thank hold
on what week is that? That's that's the very end
of the season. So I mean I got I got
some humble pie early on in the show, like in
the middle, I guess of the show as far as
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that goes, like slowly starts realizing how things were gonna
go in the season. I didn't know I was going
to be completely villainized. Villainized, yes, thank you, but yeah,
somewhere so Greece was Fantasy Sweets Week and I remember
sitting and man, it was beautiful.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
We're in We're on the eye on the creek in.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
The middle of the Mediterranean, and like I have like
perfect place to feel like light in joy and I'm
feeling the opposite. And I have my own like master suite.
I got my own private pool and balcony. I remember
sitting there alone in my room, waiting on a handler
to come hang out with me, and it was a
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down day. We started filming the next day and I
remember sitting there no cell phone, because you know, you
land in LA and they take your phone.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
You don't see it again until the season.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Depending on who you are, you might have a privilege
here and there, but like maybe one phone call because
of hometowns or something. And I'm sitting there and it
hit me I have no one to ask questions.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
And that was another thing I learned was about community.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Like, man, if you're going through something in your life,
like tell a brother or a sister about it, you know,
reach out to some friends and try to have some
wise guidance and wise counsel in your life. So we
didn't have that right we get our phones taken. So
I remember that being one moment of feeling like, honestly
just lonely, and I started feeling like I have all
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these questions I want to ask a lot of people
in my life who are very wise about how to
handle relationships and how to analyze situations, and I need help,
and I feel isolated at this point. I'm so far
in this thing, I don't really know what to do.
So that was one moment I just felt really alone,
and then just lack of community.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
And then there was a moment when.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I was I really don't remember what episode just got released,
but it was like two or three weeks in of
so about two or three episodes.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
In of me being villainized.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And I remember being home talking to my brother about
because we're just talking about business, like, Hey, what do
you want to do for a living? Now you're going
to have eventually this following. You know, what do you
want to use your utilize your platform for? Is it
you know, a fitness business?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Is it this?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
You know, let's let's utilize this platform. But yet that's
part of our conversations and then the other part of
our conversations, and I'm like dude, I want to run
from the world. I want to delete my Instagram. I'm
getting all this hate. I'm villainized now. I'm literally have
like dms in my inbox, like dude, you are a
piece of crap, like go kill yourself, Like and that's
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a pretty you know, like some really harsh dms of
all the things under the sun you could you could
think of.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
And it hit me in that moment. I was like.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Why, Like why God would you put me through this?
I thought it was for this girl at that moment. Also,
I knew why it wasn't for her, but I was
still wrestling, like how could any good come from this?
And I was wrestling. There's no other way to put it.
I was wrestling with God and I was still just
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and I couldn't see the light at the end of
the tunn if you will. I couldn't see the good
that was going to come from it. I couldn't see
all these open doors in the future of my life
that were going to be opened. I could I didn't
see all these things he was going to use me
for in the future of my life, to grow me
as a man. Like I said, I didn't see my
future wife at that time, I didn't see the beautiful
wife I was gonna marry, and the beautiful son I
was going to have in the future, and all these
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business opportunities and ways that I could use my platform
in a positive way to really help people, because that's
essentially what I believe I'm probably do on surface, inspire
people to be the best version themselves and inspire people
to get to know God, their creator. And that's what
I've been on a warpath to, you know, live in
my purpose and do and I'm doing my best to
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pursue that. And I didn't see any of that. I
was just felt like I hit rock bottom. I'm getting
all these dms of you know, go kill yourself, you're
a worthless like you should just you know, do this,
do that.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
You're you know, a piece of this, piece of that, and.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I was I was again, even with family and having
the people in my life that were in my inner
circle that I could rely on and you know, get
Wise's counsel from, I was getting all that, and I
was still just broken because I didn't understand why I
had gone through all those things.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
And it took me a bit of time.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
But then I started realizing as I'm you know when
I say, I was broken, Like man, I was just
crying into my pillow, wondering why and thinking, how's it
gonna look next week.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
I had no idea it was gonna look like that.
I can't imagine next week.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Like the lead up the Monday night primetime television for
ABC as The Bachelorette was like so daunting every lead
up to every episode, I was like, just I just
want to turn off the world, like the light switch.
And again I can laugh about it now, but like
it was the hardest thing and I by far have
ever gone through in my entire life, and.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Way worse than the cross for games.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And I finally grasped this thing, I guess this perspective,
and it was that hurt people, hurt you. And that's
what burdened me as far as like we want to
talk about you know, I forget the phrases or the
language that are thrown around a lot besides just hate
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if you will, like, let's talk about social media, because
everyone feels like they have a voice to be heard
on social media, especially the trolls that will DM you
all sorts of craziness. And I truly was burdened for
those people because I received so many direct messages of
just hate. And I realized that people that have true,
deep issues in their life, that are truly hurt themselves
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have no problem with hurting others. It's the only thing
they know how to do to cope with it. And
that was a big thing I learned, was hurt people
hurt people, and I started to not listen.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Just for clarity, are you throwing yourself into the hurt
category or others others?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (41:37):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
So as I was hurt and broken and then started
to recover, I started realizing because man, I really wanted
to delete my social media because it was rough, Like
I didn't want to listen to the noise, you know.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
And then.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I finally started I mean, I wouldn't if I saw dms.
I'd let my uh my brother read those.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
I wouldn't read. I wouldn't read all those beause there's
a lot of hate.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
But I guess what I'm saying is when I fully
started grasping and understanding like, Okay, just like you guys, right,
God has a plan for your life. And I started realizing, Okay,
there is light at the end of the tunnel and
I started developing this you know, confidence and encouragement again
and you know, his plan, and then finally.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Started seeing some fruits slowly you know, happened from it.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
But again from a psychological standpoint, what I'm saying is
people that have issues in their life and that are
hurt whatever it is they're going through.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
They will they have no problem hurting other people.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Like I'm talking about trolls that are, you know, gonna
throw shade until you to go kill yourself because they're
hiding behind a screen on Instagram. That's what I'm referring to.
And that helped me have a better understanding of I
guess a better It helped me receive those messages better
because really, I just it didn't hurt my feelings these messages.
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It really started making me hurt for those individuals because
I want to see those broken hearts be mended, you know.
And that didn't happen overnight. I mean talking about this
moment where I was broken myself, and then I would
say it took several months after the show. This is
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the third moment. So you asked again, I'm trying to
stick to the question here of like take me through
you know, these times when you were going through these things,
your emotions and what you're feeling. I'd say it took
me several months post the last final episode because that
was a whole other thing in itself of I kind
of got over it, and then the mentell all.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
That was.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
That was rough, and it took me several months after
that to kind of honestly recover and be in a
healthy place mentally. Several months, I would I was definitely
a healthy place mentally, like directly after, but like I'm human,
like going through whether it's like like we just talked about,
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whether it's hate on Instagram or if I was posting
something of me and my family, like trying to tell
a story of me spending time with my family on
my Instagram, I'll just get hundreds of comments of hate
about the show, and I'm like, guys, can I just
like live my life over here?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
You know?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
So that I mean, like, you guys know how it is.
You know, like months to recover from that, because like
I said, you guys know how it is. You'll post
something probably of your family and then if you guys
are trending, you know, on Twitter or something, or maybe
the Bachelor. You know, posts something about you, you know
you'll get flooded comments on the thing you post. It's
nothing to do with the show. That is about a
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particular scene on the show, And it's like, really, come on, I.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Do want to talk about a certain scene on the
show because it was the scene that you're most notorious for, right,
it was the scene where you and Hanna. Well, I
guess there is the rose and the podium move. We
could get there. But I was thinking about when you
guys had that conversation where you said that if you'd
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sup with anybody, Hannah, I wouldn't be interested in continuing this. Now,
given everything that you've learned, how would you navigate that
conversation now?
Speaker 1 (45:28):
To be completely honest, I thought I handled and navigated
that conversation perfectly. But ninety percent of what came out
of my mouth did not air, and I can't share
it because I'm under contract. But I will say this,
it did not pan out the way it showed. That's
all I want to say. I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Just to be clean up the contract situation.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Because you got sued right like right after the show.
That was like public information, right.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Well, this this was my issue with the whole contract
situation is I moved addresses and they were sending me
notices because like I told you guys, it took me
several months to get in like a healthy place how
I viewed this whole situation.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
So I went on. I went on a terror and
got on like.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Dozens of podcast platforms and broke contract of sharing everything
that happened behind the scenes, everything that was said to me.
I'd be curious to go jennified. They were still alone anyway,
and I didn't know that I would get sued. I
think it was twenty or twenty five thousand dollars per
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breach of contract. Was there like rule thumb, And I
didn't even know I was getting notices in the mail,
and I had a bunch in my old address. And
then finally, you know, months into going on all these
podcasts and spill all the tea, I noticed that I
was sued a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Were right, they didn't email you call you because we've
gotten calls before, being like Ashley Ben, can you be
a little bit more careful.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
I got a couple of emails saying like it was
but it wasn't it was they're vague emails. They weren't like, hey,
you're preaching contracts.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Stop it.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Like it was just emails of contacting them like hey,
we'd like to speak to you, and I'm like, I'm
not talking to you.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
It's not happening.
Speaker 5 (47:29):
That was my point, was the reason you're so nervous
about the contract is because it has been a thing
for you.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Oh yeah, I had to get a very expensive lawyer
to help me not pay them a penny when I
was supposed to pay them a lot of money. And yeah,
so that that was like a year drawn out process
with the lawyer.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I get where you're nervous.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
Then, So back to Ashley's question with it, which is
that conversation and how it went you would have done
it differently. I understand why the contract is such a
focus point when it comes to these conversations, specifically about
moments of the show.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, but to answer it, we'll let you continue.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Absolutely so, And look like, I just want to be
clear about this because it's hard for me sometimes to
get in certain details and talk about Hannah because I
don't talk to Hannah currently. I don't I remember the
first few years after the show, I was really hoping
that she and I could reconnect. I reached out to
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her via DM, email, any platform you could think of.
I've tried reaching out to her multiple times. And look,
I'm not throwing shade or hating on her for not replying.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
If I were her, I.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Probably wouldn't reply either. I don't even know if she
saw any of them. You know, she had so many
messages beyond my crazy amount of messages in my inbox.
So I'll say this, I want what's absolute best for her.
You know, I don't anymore. I mean, but I remember
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vividly after the show, just pouring my heart out for
her in prayer, praying for her future and her family
and her heart. So you can imagine, you know, my
heart was very invested in that show. So I said
a lot of the things I said on the show
to be kind of crazy, you know, like how can
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you tell someone you love them or feel so anyway?
Not to get in those details either, but be so
invested in someone that's a short period of time, and
that was very again naive about a lot. But to
answer your questions, Bess, I can ashually sorry for you know,
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being a little dodgy, but.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
I'll say this. I it was this simple.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I held Hannah not to a standard of my own,
which I did, but more so how I handled that
situation was I was trying to hold her to a
standard that she said she wanted.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
I mean, you're talking about my hometown date.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Like she literally came and talked to my youth ministry,
which I was helping lead, like the college and young
adults at my church at the time, and that was
my hometown date. She literally came to spend like a
meal and spend time with about fifty people at my church,
young like kids in the youth ministry, and she shared
her testimony and share her story of how she came
(50:39):
to know God, and shared all these things that she
wasn't going to do in the fantasy suites because she
was going to further conversation in the relationship. And she
shared this path that I for sure was going to
hold her to that standard of Oh, this is what
you want, good, this is what I want.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
Let's get on this path.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
And look not to say anything about her in any
judgmental way, Like again, I'd pray for her in her future.
And I've heard that because I don't really keep up
with her. But I've heard she's doing great now and
that makes me happy. I don't know all that she's
involved with. But that was why it panned out the
(51:18):
way it did is I was just trying to follow
what she was saying. And that's again I'm trying to
be as clear and concise as possible.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
I think you're making sense. I think you're making sense.
In the you felt like you were communicating to her
things that you believed, either correctly or incorrectly.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
That she wanted exactly.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
And we saw ten percent of what you say is
a longer conversation where you communicate with her, and.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
I do I mean, I think you know it did.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
It came off as uh, it came off as dogmatic,
it came off as aggressive as and I guess one
of the beautiful parts about the infamous segment is we
will never know, because that whole footage will never be shown,
of what that conversation looked like and the sensitivity you
(52:19):
took walking into it, the wisdom that you took walking
into it to communicate to her not just what you
think she wanted, but what you wanted, which I think
is such a vital piece of the show. Is and
really of so many scenarios we've all learned from is
making sure that you're communicating what you.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Want and not putting your own.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
Opinions on somebody else because maybe you know, the assumptions
that you made were things that she took offensively.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Now I find your story you need.
Speaker 5 (53:00):
Because you've spoken here throughout this hour about what you
wanted to use your platform for and it wass we close.
We started this whole show with a conversation now about
your wife, your son, kid on the way, also years
(53:21):
removed from the show, and I'm still trying to get
to be honest, I don't know how else to say it,
still trying to get.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Out of you what you've learned.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
Like it feels like there's still this like defensiveness when
it comes to this season, and maybe that's rightfully so,
because we haven't seen at all, Like we don't.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
See it all. But maybe the way to get to
it is.
Speaker 5 (53:48):
Now you're a husband, the show is behind you, New
chapters begin, new careers are starting this season of life
with the show and the humility that it brought you
to and the confusion that it brought you towards, and
the lessons that you learned it spit you out now
(54:11):
today to be what man to your wife, to your son,
to the kid on the way, to your friends.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
How did it change you? Maybe is the best way
to ask it.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Absolutely, We talked about the fear Man conversation, the whole
being self conscious right to the point where what comes
out of your mouth and what your actions don't line
up with who you are and what you believe in.
So let's just I'll put a quick little summary statement
over that as far as what I learned right is
be authentic, right, be who you are, no matter the circumstance.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
Okay, And then I'd say, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
I did touch on a little bit of the community aspect, right,
like make sure you have some people in your corner
that will fight for you and be real and tell
you not just what you want to hear, but what
you need to hear, which is impossible on the show
because your cell phone gets stripped from you and you
have zero communication with the outside world. So right, always
making sure you have people in your corner that will
(55:11):
push you to be your best and hold you accountable
to standard that you want to hold.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
And then another one.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
That would be as far as what I learned is hey,
look like, no matter what you've done in your life,
that does not define me. What's most important is what
you go through is how you're going to handle it.
And a lot of people say, hey, what you go through,
you can either go through it and take a seat,
(55:38):
or you can grow through it and learn from it
and make the most out of it. And that's essentially
what I've done. My best to do from my experience
on the show is not just go through it, but
grow through it. And you know, I've learned that authenticity
is the way be real and don't worry about whether
(56:00):
people are thinking. Stay true to who you are and
what you believe in. I'd say that's definitely what's most important.
Speaker 5 (56:05):
And so just just that in there, because I do
think it's a nugget that's really essential. And Ashley and
I've talked about before, but you're saying, I think people
can hear this, and if they don't come from a
similar faith background, they're jump they could jump to conclusions.
But this fear of man and being an authentic is
(56:28):
only done well in life when you have the openness
to be held accountable by others as well.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
So that's good.
Speaker 5 (56:40):
Running your race straightforward, being authentic and burning down every
bridge and every human that comes in your path. Even
though that is authentic, it's not healthy. It's not what
God has called you to. It's not at any level
of a of a way that you would expect somebody
to be a witness or to help and not her
(57:00):
this world. And so you can only be authentic and
correct me here, I'm making a statement to try to clarify. Yeah,
what you're saying. You can only be authentic if you're
also willing to be held accountable by a trusted group
that will stand up and say check yourself.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
Yeah, that's good. I would agree with that.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
Okay, all right, Luke, Well, we just wanted to We
want to say thank you, and we also want to
get your last thoughts on Hannah Brown. She's about to
get married. You said that you didn't really keep up
with her. She is getting married this month to her fee. Yeah,
so we just kind of wanted to see if you
had anything to sit her.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah. I would, I mean, I would say this, you know,
I hope she has an incredible marriage. I pray that
God blesses it in the name of Jesus, and I
hope her and her husband have a incredible marriage. Yeah,
and I hope bored willing, they have beautiful children.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
What's her husband's name, Ashley Adam Adam. He's a stud.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
He's a stud.
Speaker 5 (58:14):
Luke, thank you for joining us today. Thank you for
sharing this. I know it's not easy with the contractual,
the fear.
Speaker 3 (58:23):
Of contract, and we understand it's very frustrating to tell
your story when you can't, you know, say every line that.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
Was, But I think you successfully did it.
Speaker 5 (58:32):
I don't see any red flags here that they're gonna say, Oh.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
The fear of contract is something.
Speaker 4 (58:38):
Yeah, hopefully they'll notice this in the mail to be.
Speaker 5 (58:40):
Weariosome of Luke. Thanks for joining us today. Hey, best
of luck in the next chapter for you. I know
you said that you're going to be transitioning from what
you've been doing to what is coming. And then also
your second child is on the way.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Uh so.
Speaker 5 (58:56):
Goodness gracious, congratulations on one and now two beautiful wife
in this family that you have.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
And I know new.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
Chapters are always exciting but also scary, so we wish
you the best.
Speaker 4 (59:10):
Thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
Thank you Sea, Sea. Well that was Luke Parker and
until next time. I've been Ashley and.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
I'm in Ben. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
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