May 14, 2025 • 40 mins
He was the runner up on Rachel Lindsay’s season, but now Peter Kraus is ready to take us behind the scenes to reveal what REALLY happened during his time on The Bachelorette.
Peter holds nothing back when sharing how producers influenced his feelings, and he reveals a very personal moment that was shared with production… and then brought up later on camera.
Plus, we get Peter’s honest reaction to Rachel and Bryan’s divorce, and we find out why he didn’t become “The” Bachelor.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ben Higgins and Ashley.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I bring you infamous.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Sometimes roses are red flags.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Welcome to almost Famous. It is another episode of Infamous.
We want to step back to season thirteen of the
Bachelorette when Rachel Lindsay was the Bachelorette, and you might
remember our guest, the Bachelor that never was, the Bachelor
that got away. In my opinion, he was known for
his little gap tooth smile and the little silver flex
(00:30):
in his hair. It is Peter Craus. Peter, welcome to
the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Thank you very much. Prian, more gret now than ever,
and the gap toooths are still there.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, you're not sal You're like you are. You're actually
the definition salt and pepper.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Now i'd say, oh yeah, I'd say I'm more salt
than pepper at this point.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
When did you start doing gray eighteen?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I was eighteen years old when I saw my first
gray hairs.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, I feel like I was around that age.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, this first time I've seen you with some gray
and your beard. Oh dude, I'm getting welcome to the party.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Jared's beard is the first to go too. I don't
know what it is. He's so great there, Peter, we
are so excited to talk to you. And I have
to just air this before when you started dating your girlfriend, Hannah,
Is that how you say your name Hannah?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Hannah? Oh, it is a traditional old plunciation, but yeah,
spelled Ana.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
So I met her ten years ago to this month,
and we started following each other on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I was at an event. It was a very small,
like girls only sort of.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I think it was the premiere of the Bachelorette. It
was like a viewing party for it at the W
Hotel in Fort Lauderdale. And she and I were talking
sports broadcasting because we had both gone to school for
that and she was, you know, on TV for it. Yeah,
she was like really making her way down there and
uh yeah. So and I've been following her ever since,
like she just comes up with my feed. Still I
(01:58):
still like have always like kind of engaged. It had
been for some reason, just interested. And then all of
a sudden, I saw you two start posting about each other.
I was like, what in the small world is this
you met on Riya Riyah Raya right right now?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah? Well and she knows, I mean she's told me
the same story. I'm impressed. You remember the exact details
of it. That's impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh she has, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah. And then really then you actually met her at
one point too. You probably don't even know. That's because
I didn't know it. We were in Vegas. The last
time I saw you was in Vegas, like eight something
like that.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I do the same thing.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, Sorr, yeah, twenty eighteen. Yea, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I was trying to think back. I was like, goodness,
this is we're now were really going to make me
feel awkward.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Fast forward from then eight or ten years. Yeah, you know.
So she was there on a bachherette party and we
were at a pool. We had just gotten done surfing
at the pool, and she and her friends apparently walked
up to us and introduced themselves and chatted with us
for a little bit, And so I had met her.
I don't remember this interaction mattered for they just said
hi and that was the end of that. Moved on
(03:06):
with their lives plan.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
At Hollywood twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I know, Wow, good memory.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, but you didn't remember this, so I'm not like
in trouble or not remembering this interaction. No, And you've
been together for how long.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Now, it'll be a year next month.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Goodness, is this the first major relationship since the show,
like major relationship.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
First one that I'm sharing publicly, I would say.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Which means like you have some confidence in her.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Right, Oh, yeah, We'll be engaged by the end of
the year. I'll married next year, kids by the end
of next year, I would guess. Yeah, that's so cute.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
No, I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I'm not surprised by this at all. My sister I
told her that I was interviewing you today and she
was like, he deleted all the pictures on his Instagram
from his life before he met Hannah. You have to
talk to him about that.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well. That started with, so, I have a new business
entra going on, and I'd gotten off on Instagram at
one point. I just was sick of dealing with it
and the new business venture. I wanted to announce with
like just a clean slate and just have everything be
pertaining to that. And then she announced our relationship on
Instagram and I just felt bad that she was doing
it and I wasn't. So I decided to just announce
(04:18):
my return to Instagram, I guess early. And so now
it's just pretty much she and I is my entire Instagram.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
There was no life before he Let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, that's what's so romantic about it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And that's why I said everything starts with this, Like
the whole moment starts now in.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The attitude of keeping things healthy, let's start talking about
the Bachelorette.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Also, nothing healthier than that now.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, she was obviously a big Bachelor fan, having met
us all in individually before.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh yeah, she, like many girls in this country, watched
I'm sure her fair amount growing up. Yeah, and she
watched my season, Ben, she watched her season, Ashley, she
watched you.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, there's a level to that. My wife has never
seen it. There's moments, very few where I'm like, ah,
it'd be fun to talk about some of this with her.
That's not exactly like a great thing for you know,
your spouse to have watched, But there are some moments
where I'm like, this could be a fun or maybe
we could sit down and watch it together, but just
not type her type of thing.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And as a result, it's really not a part of
our relationship. Ever, we never talked about it, which I
also like, there's benefits to that too.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
She does still watch Golden Basher, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, oh Golden Yeah, big.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, Georgia, I haven't watched any of it, but she's
still a fan.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, we're gonna dive in. The infamous episodes are all
about kind of uncovering what is or what was behind
the scenes that maybe we didn't see, that maybe it
was portrayed in a way that it really didn't happen,
or maybe it did, and you just bring light to
a situation and saying, yeah, this is exactly how I
went down when I watched it back it was this
(05:59):
but before we die, been to your time on the
Bachelor app which is always fun. We have had some
great interviews. There was one other public relationship that we
have to get cleared up that our fans have written
in and asked about. The NICKI I think her name
is what Nicky or Bella?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Nicky Bella?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, was that ever really TV thing?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
No, they reached out to me through They may have
even been amy, to be honest, I feel like our producer. Yeah,
I think it was like connections and connections. I don't
remember what it was, but they said there's a show
called Toto Bella's They would love for you to come
on and go on a date with Nikki, would you
be up for And I said, hell yeah, Like she's gorgeous,
(06:40):
she's hard working, and she's intelligent. Like this is absolutely
someone i'd go on a date with, even outside of
the show. So why not. We went on one date, date
went well. A week or two later, I sent her
flowers and this special candy that she had talked about
during our date, and we chatted back forth a little bit,
but nothing ever came of it. I guess that was
(07:02):
the end of that. Literally nothing more than that, which
I was more exciting for you guys, But that was.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Not kind of exciting. I mean, you got dumped.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's romantic, I think.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I say it's romantic. You say he is tough.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
It was great, Like it didn't suck by any means.
It's a great date. It was fun. I guess a
week or two of interaction and that was it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well we can dive into that, but we have other
things to talk about, like you know, Rachel Lindsay, all right,
so your big thing on the show was that you
weren't going to propose at the end, especially We're like,
I'm not going to propose to you, Rachel, like, I
would love to be with you, but this is just ridiculous.
(07:45):
We've known each other.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
For eight weeks.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Was it before the show or during the show that
you decided that a proposal at the end of it
wasn't going to be for you.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
The last conversation I have with friends before I went
on the show was I'd see you guys in two weeks.
The thought of proposal was and even ever in my
mind going onto the show, I looked at it as
this is a great fun, exciting and different, unique opportunity
that very few people get, and I'm single, and I
could potentially find love in the process. Hell yeah, let's
do it. Like it was just a fun experience, and
(08:14):
when it started to get serious, like oh, this is
actually potentially going to like the long haul, engagement became
more of a conversation as like, Okay, this needs to
be taken more seriously. And she and I started having
conversations pretty early on about like this does and an engagement,
But I don't want to think that was to like
at least a third of the way through it, maybe
(08:35):
half of the way through it. And as much as
I was falling for her. In those moments, I knew
that it wasn't enough real life experience to say, Okay,
I can definitively commit the rest of my life to
this person. It seemed like on my side of things
like that just kind of made sense. If I'm going
to be with someone for the rest of my life,
I want to know what they're like in more scenarios
(08:56):
in real life. And so we started having more and
more conversations about it, and then it wasn't until I
think the last few weeks of the show that I
was like, this is just not going to end in
engagement for me. It's not that it wasn't ever an option,
it's just now I really know at this point, only
having a couple weeks left, like the next date after
our biggest conversation about it was the engagement ceremony. Like Jesus,
(09:19):
we're just having the biggest conversation about it now, and
I'm supposed to get engaged to you next. This is
this is not a legitimate possibility for me at this time.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Let's sit in this moment then for a second. I'm sure,
knowing you, you were not easy to be produced, which
I think is a credit to you. I actually say
that in a complimentary way. I think both sides. Doesn't
say that about me. I definitely don't say that about Ashley.
She is so easy to get produced. But I think
there's good to both. Like one is a trusting person
(09:52):
like Ashley who says, hey, like I believe you have
my best interests in mind, I don't want to believe
you don't, And as a result, I am going to
follow you your lead and kind of do whatever you
ask of me. And as a result, you have an Ashley,
which is an amazing human. I love her dearly, but
we also have you, I think, on the other side,
who says I'm not going to trust anything you say
(10:12):
to me. There is nothing you could input wisdom into
me at this time that I would follow, And as
a result, I think I know best which is good
and bad, and this is how I'm going to communicate it.
So if you can give the fans kind of underneath
the hood of in those moments leading up to that conversation,
I'm sure you told somebody, hey, I'm not going to
(10:33):
get engaged at the end of this, and they probably
panicked or maybe they didn't, but explain it to us.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, where should I start. First place I start was
early early on in the show, like our very first week,
I want to say. I was having conversations pretty regularly
with producers, as you guys know you would do throughout
the entirety of the show, and during just like a
normal conversation with one of them I won't say who
(11:01):
it was, I brought up some pretty important and personal
stuff about my family and had all the trust in
the world of these people. I thought, Okay, this is
a good person. We can communicate and my thoughts are
safe with this person. And then like two three days later,
(11:23):
we were in one of the confessionals whatever we call it,
and while on camera, she brought it up and wanted
to get an answer relating to it, or just like
a sound bite relating to it, and I just paused
for a second, was like, oh, this is not what
I thought it was. This is a scheme to get
(11:45):
me to say something that can be used for the
betterment of those behind the camera. And that's when the
whole script flipped for me. It was like, Okay, this
is now serious. I have to be intentional about what
I say and do. I can still try very best
to be myself in this situation. But at the end
of the day, they have a product that they're trying
to produce, and that product is built off of a
(12:07):
certain scenario or result that they choose to have, and
I am nothing but a pawn in that scheme. So
be myself but be guarded. That's what it kind of
came down to. And I found that more and more
throughout time.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Did you call that producer out in the moment or
do you just keep that internal?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
No, no need to, Like, why show your cards? If
I know what they're doing, They're they're just going to
find other ways to manipulate played dumb when you have
to or else they just try to become smarter in
that situation. So let them. Let them do what they
had to do. And I just went about my way
trying to engage my relationship more and more with Rachel
(12:47):
without giving the soundbites that they needed for the show
to carry on.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It's an exhausting and being in it, that's it. I mean,
I've been in that mindset on the show before. It's
a really tiring mindset because your whole life is being
filmed and you're always thinking, like if I say this
one sentence, it could be used against me, and so
I'm always on guard. It makes it a lot less fun.
(13:12):
I always say, if I had to do the show again,
I'd have more fun. I had very little fun during
the experience on both seasons because I was always so guarded.
Are you saying then, that, as you went into this
huge conversation with Rachel about where your relationship was going
to go, engagement or no engagement, dating, not dating, did
any producer have any idea that you were about to
(13:34):
say what you said?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Well, I mean there's all sorts of different tactics used
throughout to get a result. And another producer, again I
won't say a name, but a very high up producer
in the show multiple times told me that I was
in love, Like you're in love, You're in love, Just
admit that you're in love, Peter, You're in love. Come
on to say it, like trying so hard to just
(13:56):
coax me into saying something that at that time I
didn't yet believe. And it's like, if you just want
that result, what's the point. I'm not going to say it.
So when time's right, I'll say it. And then once
it finally did come out of my mouth, because I
actually started to feel it for her. The script basically
changed on their side of things. They must have decided
at that point, like, oh, we need to actually stick
with this different scenario. So now we're going to start
(14:17):
to tell you say, you know, stick to your guns.
You don't have to get engaged yet. So then also
I started to hear those echoes through the chambers of
just stick to your guns. You don't have to get
engaged if you're not ready for it yet, Like you're
being true to yourself, be true to yourself. It was
the most manipulative experience on that side of things, and
that all was fine. I kind of got used to
(14:38):
what that was and was able to just internalize it
all myself. But then the hardest part was they had
a therapist on staff who was almost parroting what their
messages were. So that's where I actually found the most
discomfort in the whole thing. Was a person that I
was coming to for like a safe space started to
(15:01):
become just another part of the process.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It feels a little Truman.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
She oh, yeah, very much so, and she started getting
me like insights how Rachel was feeling. I'm like, you
can't do that. That doesn't seem appropriate. I thought this
was like a safe space. What are you giving to
those that I've said? So overall, the whole thing was
pretty uh, for lack of a better term, growth in that way.
(15:25):
But all that aside, like the situation with Rachel and
the relationship I was developing with Rachel was always a
really great experience, Like she and I had a lot
of connection, a lot of fun together, just yet overall
enjoyment of each other's company. It was very easy to
be with her. It wasn't until like the end of
(15:48):
the show really started to be in the focal point
of like, Okay, this is this is actually happening, Like
we're actually moving into marriage is the next step, Engagement
is the next step. Even upon meeting the family, it
all still so seemed so light and fun for the
most part. But then I was like, Okay, yeah, you're
getting engaged in like four or five days, I want
(16:11):
to say, at that point a week.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, people like remember this moment, the moment that you
and Rachel had your big argument at the end, because
(16:33):
from what we saw, it really seemed like you were
the one that she wanted. But at the same time,
she seemed to be putting again. The way that they
edited it made it seem like she apparently wanted the
engagement more than true love, and you even said, Okay, fine,
(16:57):
go have a mediocre life. When you look back at
this moment, what's your interpretation of it all? What really
happened and how was it different than what we saw.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I think the entire show needs to be put in
context first, and that is it is not a real
life situation to start, so to expect real life responses
is impossible. The way that we handle ourselves in the situation,
I think was the best we could do in the
moment that we were in. The emotions were high. We
(17:32):
were isolated with only connection to people within the show.
We had no family to really draw upon, our friends
to draw upon. There was a lot of stress. She
was the first ever black bachelorett. The amount of stress
alone from that, I can't imagine how challenging the entire
situation was. Then, to think that this could end without
(17:53):
an engagement, where the show is so dependent on the
engagement being the end result, I can't imagine how much
stress it felt. So I'm sure it was extremely challenging
for her. For myself, it was. I didn't want to
hurt her. I genuinely wanted to see where the rate
or the relationship went, and seeing her as heartbroken as
(18:19):
she seemed at the time was extremely challenging. So I
also wanted to make her happy, and so at the
very end I even said like fine, like let's just
let's get engaged, Like, if that's what you need, I'll
do it. That was like the final fifteen minutes or
so of the conversation, I want to say, and then
she always said no, Like that just felt like it
was like a secondhand thought at that point, and it
(18:43):
kind of ruined the whole situation, which obviously I wouldn't
want to get engaged in that I guess scenario either. Yeah. Yeah,
but this is tough for me to talk about right now.
I haven't talked about this in a very long time.
I guess. I'm so sorry. No, that's all right, it's
probably good to bring it up. The situation itself was
(19:05):
just hard like that. I don't think there's any right
or wrong to it. What I said in that moment
was very hurtful and inappropriate, and I wish I hadn't
said it, but I did. So I have to own it,
like I did say those words, which I won't even
repeat because I think they're really gross, and I tried
to apologize for it, but that only means so much
when it's in front of millions of people and you're
(19:26):
already hurt and feeling betrayed. I'm sure by someone who
could say that to you.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Let me dive in here, because for clarity's sake, you
can go any the direction. When you said those words,
I'm assuming you're referencing a statement about what life could
look like afterwards. Were you meaning that directly towards Brian
or just in general, like, hey, you and I could
have something great and the other option here. I don't
(19:55):
know if it's going to go the way you want
it to.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I think I felt that I knew in that moment
that I could provide a very healthy, happier relationship with
this person. And whether that was true or not, I
can't tell you, but in that moment, it's what I felt,
and the relationship that I had built with her to
that point seemed like it would be a lot of
fun to be in after that time, and I knew
(20:20):
Brian for just what I knew of him within that show,
and during that time I knew he wasn't a person
that I enjoyed spending time with. Personally. There's nothing against him,
just he wasn't the type of guy I wanted to
hang out with. So I just said exactly I was
feeling in that moment, which was, I think you're going
to be in a very different life with this person
(20:43):
than you will be with me. And if that means mediocre,
then that means mediocre to me in that moment. Probably
not the choice words I would use now, but I
did at that time.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
This is an awkward question, and I'm so sorry that
I must ask it, But when they announced that they
were getting divorced, did part of you think I knew
that one wasn't going to last.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
No, actually the exact opposite. I was surprised, but I
figured if they were able to make it through all
that hardship that they experienced after the show, because it
seemed like so many people turned on them and there
was so much dramatization of the downfall the relationship prior
to it, even not you succeeding, I figured, if they
can make through that, they can make it through anything.
(21:29):
So I was very surprised when I saw that happen,
and I was very sad by the fact that so
many people were championing the fact that it did happen.
I think it was disgusting. I think people have enough
challenge in life that they don't need everybody else jumping
on them when they falter, and so that was sad
to see.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
It's been eight years. As you said, I remember the conversation,
I remember the moment. I remember a lot of that season,
and I remember this being one of the moments that
you feel as a viewer, like you feel it. I
think it's one of the last moments. There's a bit few,
but one of the last moments where I remember sitting
on the couch being like, I am in this conversation
with them on the couch and I'm feeling both directions
(22:09):
remind us the audience's response, because I think twenty twenty,
you know, hindsight is us saying this your mindset made sense,
like how were you going to get engaged? And if
you weren't okay with that, but you still in a
day like that makes sense for the show in the format.
But I'm sure viewership wanted an engagement, and I'm sure
(22:30):
the responses were probably not outrageously supportive towards you, or
maybe they were. I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I think we create our own uh. I don't know
if it's an echo chamber, but you know, it's my
social media. No one else sees it but me, So
I see all the responses that are on it, and
even on the show, producers would say, don't look at
the good or the bad. Neither one of them is beneficial.
And it's hard not to when you're getting blown up
by thousands of comments and likes and things like that.
(23:03):
And it's also cool to see. I mean for anybody,
I think if all of a sudden you gained one
hundred thousand followers, you'd be very curious what is happening
in the situation? Who are these people? What do they want?
And so I saw all the good, and I saw
all the bad and all the negative comments, and I
would say it was hindsight twenty twenty, realizing that it
was a lot more good than bad. But the bad
(23:24):
voices seemed to ring a lot louder, and so a
lot of people that were saying negative comments were much
more adamant in getting their point across. It was read
it became the worst place in human creation in my opinion,
people that just like all of a sudden, I would
get an influx of negativity and I'm like, where's this
(23:45):
coming from? And then someone would drop comment like Peter,
you're getting blown apart and read it, and so I'd
open up Reddit and sure there was this story about
my life that I had no clue about that was
going off, and everybody was just designing it to turn
that into this like it was like a wave of
hatred would come on my page and as soon as
it came on, it would be gone. And it's just
this wave back and forth, back and forth for like
(24:07):
four or five years. And so it all started with
oh my god. I mean, you know, at some point,
like halfway or two thirds of the way through the
show itself, when I started to realize like, oh, this
is going to be a roller coaster, like people are
going to come in and hate you for anything, and
that was all find and good. I eventually started to
find a way to just kind of move past it
(24:27):
or ignore it. But then I think when it really
got to like a point where I just didn't want
to deal with anymore, was when it started affecting my business,
Like people started commenting and leaving one stars and things
on my business and yeah, it's like, what is the
point of this. This is based off of the show
that has no place in reality, and you're affecting my
(24:48):
real life now, Like it was an experience for me.
It was a fun experience for me. I know I
didn't end in the way that many people wanted to,
But at the end of the day, everybody on here
is just a human trying to figure out their own
For you to come and attack someone because they didn't
do it in the way that you did, you would
never do that in real life, why are you doing
it here? So eventually I just turned it off. That
was it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Well, So you mentioned that you've gotten comments on social
media ever four to five years after, and that is
because Peter, you stuck with people. People wanted you to
be the lead more than I think of anybody of
anybody that never became the lead. Like that's why I
said at the beginning of the show, like you were
the bachelor that just never was. You were the one
(25:27):
that caught away from the franchise. We know, we know
that they wanted you to be the lead, but it
was your decision not to be And I know that
some people say this. Lots of people like to be like, oh,
you know, God asked didn't want to do it, But
I never really believe those people. I do believe you.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
All the conversations about it started while I was still
on the show in therapy. The therapist was the first
one who ever brought it up. So as we were
getting to the final couple weeks of the show, the
therapist on the show is the one who said, would
you think about being the Bachelor? And is this really
happening right now? Like, is this a conversation you're bringing
up in this situation. No, I guess I hadn't thought
(26:07):
about it, but something i'd have to think about should
this not work out. And then in our overnight Rachel
and I, she brought it up and I just had
this conversation with a therapist was like, is this like
a running thing? So I I don't know. I was
just like, I guess I'd have to think about it
if it came to be, and jokingly I was like,
(26:28):
they'd have paid me a lot of money part of
my language. But then it was right after it, so
we were in real Hot Spain when everything ended and
I was stuck there for a few days while they,
like Brian and Rachel went on like their honeymoon date basically,
and the producers approached me there in that space within
(26:52):
forty eight hours twenty four hours, I don't even know what.
It was at a coffee shop and they like, okay,
would you think about being the Bachelor? I'm like, what,
I just spent twelve hours laying on a floor crying
with my lead producer, Megan as she played the same
song thirty six times, and like you're asking me this now,
Like I don't know. Guys like, okay, let's just let's
(27:14):
sit on it, think about it. We'll see you when
you get back to the States. And then it started
pretty quickly when I got back to the States, like
the I don't know what you call it, the courting
of me to be bachelor. It was flying me first
to Good Morning America in New York. I took a
red eye out there, and that was I don't know,
(27:38):
like the day after the final airing of the show,
and they kind of walked me around town with another
one of the lead producers and just said like would
you do this? We think you'd be perfect for it.
They were like, take me out to night's lunch, they
bought me a nice watch, like it was just a
very interesting experience and obviously like courting me. And then
it was flying out to Mike Flie's house out in
(28:02):
Malibu and sitting down there and having a longer, deeper
conversation about it, and then upon conversations like, Okay, I
can see how much this can affect someone's life. If
I'm really going to do this, it's really got to
be worth it financially, because they could ruin my life, Like,
so I'd have to start from square one if this
doesn't go well. I don't have money, Like I gave
(28:24):
up a lot of what I was doing to go
on this show. And then ever since I had to
kind of like divot, and so I made a request
and it was later agreed upon, and then there was
more negotiations about what I would hope to have done
on the show to like benefit me and my relationships,
and those were eventually all agreed upon, and then we
(28:46):
went to announce the me becoming the bachelor, I guess
on the finale of Paradise, And so I was sitting
in the trailer, they were pressing my suit and it
kept being like, Okay, the suit's not ready yet. Okay,
suit's not ready yet. And then it was okay, we're
just not going to do it now. Let's do it
(29:08):
tomorrow on Ellen or something like that, or Jimmy Kimmel,
whatever it was first and I was like, okay, well,
let's do it the next day on Jimmy Kile. And
then it was okay, let's fly back out to Good
Morning America and do it there. And at that point
the contract still wasn't fully signed, and I was sitting
in the airport to go to Good Morning America. The
contract was finally signed, and the other producer who's again
(29:30):
name I won't mention, was sitting with me, and as
the flight was literally boarding, she turns me and she says, Okay,
we're gonna go back to the hotel. It's not going
to happen this time, like we're not going to announce
you just yet. And so we went back to the
hotel and then one of the other like top producers
comes in and says, you know, we're gonna send you
(29:51):
home for the weekend. It was what is that at
that point Labor Day, right? Is that our Memorial Day? Yeah? Yeah,
one of those. We'll send you home for the holiday weekend.
Think on it. And then right before they left the room,
like do you want to do this? I said, straight
to his face, No, but I'm going to because I
(30:11):
think it would be foolish not too. It would be
a dumb opportunity to miss out on if it's here
for me. And so I went home and I thought
of it all weekend and text Mike Place on Sunday saying, Okay,
I'm ready. I'm all in. Let's do it like I'm
one hundred percent there. And because all that while I
(30:34):
was like, I was back and forth, this is the
right decision, is not? I was almost going to be
announced while still thinking like, I don't think I even
want to do this myself. I'd seen just too much,
I guess at that point, but it also was too afraid.
I was. I was terrified. And he texted me He's like, okay,
we've actually decided to go a different direction. I'm sorry.
And then the very next morning they announced, Sorry, so Ari.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Was the bachelor got announced? And replace okay that I
was gonna ask that.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Noep, what was I mean to.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Kind of close everything up here. There's a level two
where you know, I don't I think it would have
been an incredible Bachelor. I don't think it would have
been easy on the producers or easy on you, because
I think you would have pushed back, and I think
you would have kind of put your stakes in the
ground at places, and I think it could have become
(31:30):
a very exhausting experience. But I do think you could
you you would have had the potential to, you know,
find somebody. But I also just think you'd be a
great person to watch lead a show. I think the
I actually think the people that are like you lead
the show in the best of ways.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
But you find this text out you're saying publicly you
don't know if you really want to do it or not,
but it's a good opportunity, and who knows, you could
have found your wife. It's happened, but now you found
her in a different way. But back then, was it
disappointing to read that text? Like it feels like in
(32:09):
my memory you in a sense disappeared after this kind
of scenario is happening behind the scenes. I don't remember
like hearing from you Aton publicly once this happened.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, I think the emotions were mixed. It was a
sigh of relief that I didn't have to think about
it anymore. It wasn't a thing. But that continued to
go on for years after thact. Anytime it was, you know,
time to select a bachelor again, I came back up.
Producers even reached out to me a couple of times.
I was supposed to going to Winter Games with you. Yeah,
(32:43):
and then at the last minute that got fix made.
They just decided, like literally the day before I supposed
fly out, like we've decided to go a different direction.
I thought that would have been fun. I'm glad it
didn't go because I realized have been really bad at
all the sports and fall.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'm glad you didn't go either, because I really like
Ashley and Jared together.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
That was good. Yes, it was relief and yeah, enjoyment.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
So you, guys, I do you feel like they were
kind of playing you with knowing that Ari was like
a backup and they knew that he would be more
easily produced, and he was always in the back of
their head because you did ask for certain caveats in
the contract. Do you mind me asking what did you
(33:42):
ask that would benefit the relationships during the show.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, for the first one is I saw how Brian
and Rachel were just getting an on slide of negativity
in every interview they showed for months after it was
one of the main questions was, well, how could you
have looked so interested in Peter and then right away
gone and engaged Brian. So I wanted to I guess
(34:07):
a more helpful approach to the relationship afterwards, like champion
the relationship, not the downfall of the other. Like give
me some support, give the relationship some support afterwards, don't
just let it go off on its own, like it
seemed like she was just kind of thrown out to
the wolves by herself with Brian, and they weren't really
supporting her after they got the product that they needed.
And then they were supporting me like they're, you know,
(34:29):
trying to get me to be the bachelor. I was
almost getting more support and as like that is not
fair to anybody, So I'd asked for that during the show,
I'd asked that there was more unexpected visits to the
house or to the locations that the women were inside.
I could see people in their natural environment, Like, what
are you doing when you're not on this date that
(34:50):
you've prepared twenty four hours for? You know, are you
hanging out with the other girls, are you on your own?
Are you reading books? Are you working out? Are you
kind to everybody? Are you whatever? I just want to
see people in their natural environments. And that was That
was the two main things. I also wanted therapy sessions
(35:11):
televised or not. I didn't care in the last couple
of weeks for the top couples if you want me obviously,
and then the the other person, but in like three
different scenario it's like, Okay, we're a couple now, so
let's go to couples counseling in the last few weeks
of this show to see if we actually do get
along or is this just fluff that we're experiencing right now?
Is this just the excitement of the show that makes
(35:34):
us think, so we're attracted? And so all those things
were in some capacity agree to.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Those are really good asks.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I love those.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
But I but now back to the question that I
started asking about Ari. You think he was lingering for
a while, You think that he was more producible.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I can only say as a business owner. Now you
have to line up a lot of things because failure
is always an option, and if you're not prepared failure,
you failed as a leader, and as the leader of
a show, they had to have a backup. They're probably
talking to four or five six people at all times.
You guys, remember when we first went onto the show,
when there was one hundred and fifty people in the
final casting stages or something like that. And then what
(36:14):
I was told is that even on the last couple
of days before the show started, there was like five
or six extra people waiting in the wings that just
didn't ever go on to the first episode.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I think that was the year they asked me to
come back, that there's.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
People that make waiting sense.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, no, yeah, they asked. I think that was the
year they called and said, hey, would you do it again?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, because there would have been too wait, two bachelors,
but no, it was Nick. You would have been you,
then Nick, then you again.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that was that. So I must
have been like your c team, Like they've probably had
a list of board They said, Peter one, Ari two,
Been three, We're going to destroy Ben if he comes
back again, and that sounds like you guys are psycho. No,
I'm not doing this again, Peter. Inclosing here, we obviously
(37:00):
are this whole conversation out with talking about your new
relationship with Hannah. You have made the statement that we're
going to hold you to because even if you were
doing it, and just do you still said it. You're
gonna be engaged by end of the year, have kids
by in the next year, be married, and at some
point within that too.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Got receipts.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, she's gonna play this podcast for you.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I hope, well, I hope she doesn't listen to the
rest of it. You may not, after.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
All that she's a You had mentioned that at one
point she was a fan of the show. As you
enter into this whole next season of life that will
have less and less to do with your time on
the show and everything we talked about today, you start
this whole new life as somebody. Are you glad now
that you did it? Do you look back on it
and say, yes, it was an opportunity you are thankful
(37:50):
you said yes to Or do you wish this would
have never existed?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I feel like life as it is right now would
not exist in the slightest sense if it weren't for
the show. I can go off a list of things
that have benefited from me being on that show. So
my business at the time was in home personal training.
Because of the show, I couldn't go into people's homes anymore.
It just became too awkward, and so I started doing
(38:15):
boot camps. Those boot camps led to me being all
over the country for four or five six hundred people
at a time, all the while saving up money to
open my first gym. And then when the gym opened,
things were great, but then the pandemic hit and had
I not had social media, my gym would have closed
within the first two three months because I had the
reserves to back it up. I was losing tens of
(38:35):
thousands of dollars a month. So the social media alone
from the show benefited me once again, the social clout,
if you will, that allowed me to open certain doors
and create certain partnerships even now because of the name
that follows me, because I feel like I did manage
to hold myself to a high standard throughout and people
(38:55):
saw me as like, Okay, you stuck your guns, you
were brave in a difficult situation. We can know and
trust you to support our businesses. Now I'm working with
multimillion dollar, one hundred million dollar investments on some of
these properties I'm working with, and they're putting my name
on the side of it, and so it benefited from that.
And then I look at going on to Raya, and
while it took me seven years on Raya to eventually
(39:18):
delete it seven times and pick it back up the
last time to meet Hannah, it worked. I met Hannah
through Raya, which I never would have gotten had it
not been from Blue Check that came from the show.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, you wouldn't have gotten on Raya because it's a
kind of elitist type of dating app where you have
to like sort of have ties to the entertainment industry.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah. I had twelve hundred followers before I went on
that show. That was that was it. I was not
going on Raya by any means. Yeah, all that say
like it was a great opportunity that while it had
a lot of difficulties, it benefited me long term.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
No doubt, it definitely did. And I appreciate you tying
the threads and the lines together for us because I
think that's always you know, I've loved the producers back
in the days that we were on the show, and
I think some of them are really great. I think
others of them were not so great, But I do
hold a lot of them with a lot of respect because,
(40:10):
if anything, they're brilliant and they're good at what they do.
And I'm always I always think even in the most
difficult scenarios, for a lot of the people that come
on the show, the outcome can be of benefit if
you allow it to be. And you definitely did, and
you just tied so many different ways together. Kind of
that it's on Instagram now, like the butterfly effect, right,
(40:31):
Like the things that had to happen for you to
be where you're at today. Well, it's beautiful and we
appreciate you being here today. On The Almost Famous Podcasts,
breaking down one of the most, if not the most
iconic memories and moments in Bachelorette history. Peter, thanks for
joining the Almost Famous podcast.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcasts on
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Ben Higgins and Ashley.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I bring you infamous.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Sometimes roses are red flags.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Welcome to almost Famous. It is another episode of Infamous.
We want to step back to season thirteen of the
Bachelorette when Rachel Lindsay was the Bachelorette, and you might
remember our guest, the Bachelor that never was, the Bachelor
that got away. In my opinion, he was known for
his little gap tooth smile and the little silver flex
(00:30):
in his hair. It is Peter Craus. Peter, welcome to
the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Thank you very much. Prian, more gret now than ever,
and the gap toooths are still there.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, you're not sal You're like you are. You're actually
the definition salt and pepper.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Now i'd say, oh yeah, I'd say I'm more salt
than pepper at this point.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
When did you start doing gray eighteen?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I was eighteen years old when I saw my first
gray hairs.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, I feel like I was around that age.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, this first time I've seen you with some gray
and your beard. Oh dude, I'm getting welcome to the party.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Jared's beard is the first to go too. I don't
know what it is. He's so great there, Peter, we
are so excited to talk to you. And I have
to just air this before when you started dating your girlfriend, Hannah,
Is that how you say your name Hannah?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Hannah? Oh, it is a traditional old plunciation, but yeah,
spelled Ana.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
So I met her ten years ago to this month,
and we started following each other on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I was at an event. It was a very small,
like girls only sort of.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I think it was the premiere of the Bachelorette. It
was like a viewing party for it at the W
Hotel in Fort Lauderdale. And she and I were talking
sports broadcasting because we had both gone to school for
that and she was, you know, on TV for it. Yeah,
she was like really making her way down there and
uh yeah. So and I've been following her ever since,
like she just comes up with my feed. Still I
(01:58):
still like have always like kind of engaged. It had
been for some reason, just interested. And then all of
a sudden, I saw you two start posting about each other.
I was like, what in the small world is this
you met on Riya Riyah Raya right right now?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah? Well and she knows, I mean she's told me
the same story. I'm impressed. You remember the exact details
of it. That's impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh she has, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah. And then really then you actually met her at
one point too. You probably don't even know. That's because
I didn't know it. We were in Vegas. The last
time I saw you was in Vegas, like eight something
like that.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I do the same thing.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, Sorr, yeah, twenty eighteen. Yea, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I was trying to think back. I was like, goodness,
this is we're now were really going to make me
feel awkward.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Fast forward from then eight or ten years. Yeah, you know.
So she was there on a bachherette party and we
were at a pool. We had just gotten done surfing
at the pool, and she and her friends apparently walked
up to us and introduced themselves and chatted with us
for a little bit, And so I had met her.
I don't remember this interaction mattered for they just said
hi and that was the end of that. Moved on
(03:06):
with their lives plan.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
At Hollywood twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I know, Wow, good memory.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, but you didn't remember this, so I'm not like
in trouble or not remembering this interaction. No, And you've
been together for how long.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Now, it'll be a year next month.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Goodness, is this the first major relationship since the show,
like major relationship.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
First one that I'm sharing publicly, I would say.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Which means like you have some confidence in her.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Right, Oh, yeah, We'll be engaged by the end of
the year. I'll married next year, kids by the end
of next year, I would guess. Yeah, that's so cute.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
No, I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I'm not surprised by this at all. My sister I
told her that I was interviewing you today and she
was like, he deleted all the pictures on his Instagram
from his life before he met Hannah. You have to
talk to him about that.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well. That started with, so, I have a new business
entra going on, and I'd gotten off on Instagram at
one point. I just was sick of dealing with it
and the new business venture. I wanted to announce with
like just a clean slate and just have everything be
pertaining to that. And then she announced our relationship on
Instagram and I just felt bad that she was doing
it and I wasn't. So I decided to just announce
(04:18):
my return to Instagram, I guess early. And so now
it's just pretty much she and I is my entire Instagram.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
There was no life before he Let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, that's what's so romantic about it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And that's why I said everything starts with this, Like
the whole moment starts now in.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The attitude of keeping things healthy, let's start talking about
the Bachelorette.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Also, nothing healthier than that now.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, she was obviously a big Bachelor fan, having met
us all in individually before.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh yeah, she, like many girls in this country, watched
I'm sure her fair amount growing up. Yeah, and she
watched my season, Ben, she watched her season, Ashley, she
watched you.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, there's a level to that. My wife has never
seen it. There's moments, very few where I'm like, ah,
it'd be fun to talk about some of this with her.
That's not exactly like a great thing for you know,
your spouse to have watched, But there are some moments
where I'm like, this could be a fun or maybe
we could sit down and watch it together, but just
not type her type of thing.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And as a result, it's really not a part of
our relationship. Ever, we never talked about it, which I
also like, there's benefits to that too.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
She does still watch Golden Basher, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, oh Golden Yeah, big.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, Georgia, I haven't watched any of it, but she's
still a fan.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, we're gonna dive in. The infamous episodes are all
about kind of uncovering what is or what was behind
the scenes that maybe we didn't see, that maybe it
was portrayed in a way that it really didn't happen,
or maybe it did, and you just bring light to
a situation and saying, yeah, this is exactly how I
went down when I watched it back it was this
(05:59):
but before we die, been to your time on the
Bachelor app which is always fun. We have had some
great interviews. There was one other public relationship that we
have to get cleared up that our fans have written
in and asked about. The NICKI I think her name
is what Nicky or Bella?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Nicky Bella?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, was that ever really TV thing?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
No, they reached out to me through They may have
even been amy, to be honest, I feel like our producer. Yeah,
I think it was like connections and connections. I don't
remember what it was, but they said there's a show
called Toto Bella's They would love for you to come
on and go on a date with Nikki, would you
be up for And I said, hell yeah, Like she's gorgeous,
(06:40):
she's hard working, and she's intelligent. Like this is absolutely
someone i'd go on a date with, even outside of
the show. So why not. We went on one date, date
went well. A week or two later, I sent her
flowers and this special candy that she had talked about
during our date, and we chatted back forth a little bit,
but nothing ever came of it. I guess that was
(07:02):
the end of that. Literally nothing more than that, which
I was more exciting for you guys, But that was.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Not kind of exciting. I mean, you got dumped.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's romantic, I think.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I say it's romantic. You say he is tough.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
It was great, Like it didn't suck by any means.
It's a great date. It was fun. I guess a
week or two of interaction and that was it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well we can dive into that, but we have other
things to talk about, like you know, Rachel Lindsay, all right,
so your big thing on the show was that you
weren't going to propose at the end, especially We're like,
I'm not going to propose to you, Rachel, like, I
would love to be with you, but this is just ridiculous.
(07:45):
We've known each other.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
For eight weeks.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Was it before the show or during the show that
you decided that a proposal at the end of it
wasn't going to be for you.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
The last conversation I have with friends before I went
on the show was I'd see you guys in two weeks.
The thought of proposal was and even ever in my
mind going onto the show, I looked at it as
this is a great fun, exciting and different, unique opportunity
that very few people get, and I'm single, and I
could potentially find love in the process. Hell yeah, let's
do it. Like it was just a fun experience, and
(08:14):
when it started to get serious, like oh, this is
actually potentially going to like the long haul, engagement became
more of a conversation as like, Okay, this needs to
be taken more seriously. And she and I started having
conversations pretty early on about like this does and an engagement,
But I don't want to think that was to like
at least a third of the way through it, maybe
(08:35):
half of the way through it. And as much as
I was falling for her. In those moments, I knew
that it wasn't enough real life experience to say, Okay,
I can definitively commit the rest of my life to
this person. It seemed like on my side of things
like that just kind of made sense. If I'm going
to be with someone for the rest of my life,
I want to know what they're like in more scenarios
(08:56):
in real life. And so we started having more and
more conversations about it, and then it wasn't until I
think the last few weeks of the show that I
was like, this is just not going to end in
engagement for me. It's not that it wasn't ever an option,
it's just now I really know at this point, only
having a couple weeks left, like the next date after
our biggest conversation about it was the engagement ceremony. Like Jesus,
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we're just having the biggest conversation about it now, and
I'm supposed to get engaged to you next. This is
this is not a legitimate possibility for me at this time.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Let's sit in this moment then for a second. I'm sure,
knowing you, you were not easy to be produced, which
I think is a credit to you. I actually say
that in a complimentary way. I think both sides. Doesn't
say that about me. I definitely don't say that about Ashley.
She is so easy to get produced. But I think
there's good to both. Like one is a trusting person
(09:52):
like Ashley who says, hey, like I believe you have
my best interests in mind, I don't want to believe
you don't, And as a result, I am going to
follow you your lead and kind of do whatever you
ask of me. And as a result, you have an Ashley,
which is an amazing human. I love her dearly, but
we also have you, I think, on the other side,
who says I'm not going to trust anything you say
(10:12):
to me. There is nothing you could input wisdom into
me at this time that I would follow, And as
a result, I think I know best which is good
and bad, and this is how I'm going to communicate it.
So if you can give the fans kind of underneath
the hood of in those moments leading up to that conversation,
I'm sure you told somebody, hey, I'm not going to
(10:33):
get engaged at the end of this, and they probably
panicked or maybe they didn't, but explain it to us.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, where should I start. First place I start was
early early on in the show, like our very first week,
I want to say. I was having conversations pretty regularly
with producers, as you guys know you would do throughout
the entirety of the show, and during just like a
normal conversation with one of them I won't say who
(11:01):
it was, I brought up some pretty important and personal
stuff about my family and had all the trust in
the world of these people. I thought, Okay, this is
a good person. We can communicate and my thoughts are
safe with this person. And then like two three days later,
(11:23):
we were in one of the confessionals whatever we call it,
and while on camera, she brought it up and wanted
to get an answer relating to it, or just like
a sound bite relating to it, and I just paused
for a second, was like, oh, this is not what
I thought it was. This is a scheme to get
(11:45):
me to say something that can be used for the
betterment of those behind the camera. And that's when the
whole script flipped for me. It was like, Okay, this
is now serious. I have to be intentional about what
I say and do. I can still try very best
to be myself in this situation. But at the end
of the day, they have a product that they're trying
to produce, and that product is built off of a
(12:07):
certain scenario or result that they choose to have, and
I am nothing but a pawn in that scheme. So
be myself but be guarded. That's what it kind of
came down to. And I found that more and more
throughout time.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Did you call that producer out in the moment or
do you just keep that internal?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
No, no need to, Like, why show your cards? If
I know what they're doing, They're they're just going to
find other ways to manipulate played dumb when you have
to or else they just try to become smarter in
that situation. So let them. Let them do what they
had to do. And I just went about my way
trying to engage my relationship more and more with Rachel
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without giving the soundbites that they needed for the show
to carry on.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It's an exhausting and being in it, that's it. I mean,
I've been in that mindset on the show before. It's
a really tiring mindset because your whole life is being
filmed and you're always thinking, like if I say this
one sentence, it could be used against me, and so
I'm always on guard. It makes it a lot less fun.
(13:12):
I always say, if I had to do the show again,
I'd have more fun. I had very little fun during
the experience on both seasons because I was always so guarded.
Are you saying then, that, as you went into this
huge conversation with Rachel about where your relationship was going
to go, engagement or no engagement, dating, not dating, did
any producer have any idea that you were about to
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say what you said?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Well, I mean there's all sorts of different tactics used
throughout to get a result. And another producer, again I
won't say a name, but a very high up producer
in the show multiple times told me that I was
in love, Like you're in love, You're in love, Just
admit that you're in love, Peter, You're in love. Come
on to say it, like trying so hard to just
(13:56):
coax me into saying something that at that time I
didn't yet believe. And it's like, if you just want
that result, what's the point. I'm not going to say it.
So when time's right, I'll say it. And then once
it finally did come out of my mouth, because I
actually started to feel it for her. The script basically
changed on their side of things. They must have decided
at that point, like, oh, we need to actually stick
with this different scenario. So now we're going to start
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to tell you say, you know, stick to your guns.
You don't have to get engaged yet. So then also
I started to hear those echoes through the chambers of
just stick to your guns. You don't have to get
engaged if you're not ready for it yet, Like you're
being true to yourself, be true to yourself. It was
the most manipulative experience on that side of things, and
that all was fine. I kind of got used to
(14:38):
what that was and was able to just internalize it
all myself. But then the hardest part was they had
a therapist on staff who was almost parroting what their
messages were. So that's where I actually found the most
discomfort in the whole thing. Was a person that I
was coming to for like a safe space started to
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become just another part of the process.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It feels a little Truman.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
She oh, yeah, very much so, and she started getting
me like insights how Rachel was feeling. I'm like, you
can't do that. That doesn't seem appropriate. I thought this
was like a safe space. What are you giving to
those that I've said? So overall, the whole thing was
pretty uh, for lack of a better term, growth in that way.
(15:25):
But all that aside, like the situation with Rachel and
the relationship I was developing with Rachel was always a
really great experience, Like she and I had a lot
of connection, a lot of fun together, just yet overall
enjoyment of each other's company. It was very easy to
be with her. It wasn't until like the end of
(15:48):
the show really started to be in the focal point
of like, Okay, this is this is actually happening, Like
we're actually moving into marriage is the next step, Engagement
is the next step. Even upon meeting the family, it
all still so seemed so light and fun for the
most part. But then I was like, Okay, yeah, you're
getting engaged in like four or five days, I want
(16:11):
to say, at that point a week.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, people like remember this moment, the moment that you
and Rachel had your big argument at the end, because
(16:33):
from what we saw, it really seemed like you were
the one that she wanted. But at the same time,
she seemed to be putting again. The way that they
edited it made it seem like she apparently wanted the
engagement more than true love, and you even said, Okay, fine,
(16:57):
go have a mediocre life. When you look back at
this moment, what's your interpretation of it all? What really
happened and how was it different than what we saw.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I think the entire show needs to be put in
context first, and that is it is not a real
life situation to start, so to expect real life responses
is impossible. The way that we handle ourselves in the situation,
I think was the best we could do in the
moment that we were in. The emotions were high. We
(17:32):
were isolated with only connection to people within the show.
We had no family to really draw upon, our friends
to draw upon. There was a lot of stress. She
was the first ever black bachelorett. The amount of stress
alone from that, I can't imagine how challenging the entire
situation was. Then, to think that this could end without
(17:53):
an engagement, where the show is so dependent on the
engagement being the end result, I can't imagine how much
stress it felt. So I'm sure it was extremely challenging
for her. For myself, it was. I didn't want to
hurt her. I genuinely wanted to see where the rate
or the relationship went, and seeing her as heartbroken as
(18:19):
she seemed at the time was extremely challenging. So I
also wanted to make her happy, and so at the
very end I even said like fine, like let's just
let's get engaged, Like, if that's what you need, I'll
do it. That was like the final fifteen minutes or
so of the conversation, I want to say, and then
she always said no, Like that just felt like it
was like a secondhand thought at that point, and it
(18:43):
kind of ruined the whole situation, which obviously I wouldn't
want to get engaged in that I guess scenario either. Yeah. Yeah,
but this is tough for me to talk about right now.
I haven't talked about this in a very long time.
I guess. I'm so sorry. No, that's all right, it's
probably good to bring it up. The situation itself was
(19:05):
just hard like that. I don't think there's any right
or wrong to it. What I said in that moment
was very hurtful and inappropriate, and I wish I hadn't
said it, but I did. So I have to own it,
like I did say those words, which I won't even
repeat because I think they're really gross, and I tried
to apologize for it, but that only means so much
when it's in front of millions of people and you're
(19:26):
already hurt and feeling betrayed. I'm sure by someone who
could say that to you.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Let me dive in here, because for clarity's sake, you
can go any the direction. When you said those words,
I'm assuming you're referencing a statement about what life could
look like afterwards. Were you meaning that directly towards Brian
or just in general, like, hey, you and I could
have something great and the other option here. I don't
(19:55):
know if it's going to go the way you want
it to.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I think I felt that I knew in that moment
that I could provide a very healthy, happier relationship with
this person. And whether that was true or not, I
can't tell you, but in that moment, it's what I felt,
and the relationship that I had built with her to
that point seemed like it would be a lot of
fun to be in after that time, and I knew
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Brian for just what I knew of him within that show,
and during that time I knew he wasn't a person
that I enjoyed spending time with. Personally. There's nothing against him,
just he wasn't the type of guy I wanted to
hang out with. So I just said exactly I was
feeling in that moment, which was, I think you're going
to be in a very different life with this person
(20:43):
than you will be with me. And if that means mediocre,
then that means mediocre to me in that moment. Probably
not the choice words I would use now, but I
did at that time.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
This is an awkward question, and I'm so sorry that
I must ask it, But when they announced that they
were getting divorced, did part of you think I knew
that one wasn't going to last.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
No, actually the exact opposite. I was surprised, but I
figured if they were able to make it through all
that hardship that they experienced after the show, because it
seemed like so many people turned on them and there
was so much dramatization of the downfall the relationship prior
to it, even not you succeeding, I figured, if they
can make through that, they can make it through anything.
(21:29):
So I was very surprised when I saw that happen,
and I was very sad by the fact that so
many people were championing the fact that it did happen.
I think it was disgusting. I think people have enough
challenge in life that they don't need everybody else jumping
on them when they falter, and so that was sad
to see.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
It's been eight years. As you said, I remember the conversation,
I remember the moment. I remember a lot of that season,
and I remember this being one of the moments that
you feel as a viewer, like you feel it. I
think it's one of the last moments. There's a bit few,
but one of the last moments where I remember sitting
on the couch being like, I am in this conversation
with them on the couch and I'm feeling both directions
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remind us the audience's response, because I think twenty twenty,
you know, hindsight is us saying this your mindset made sense,
like how were you going to get engaged? And if
you weren't okay with that, but you still in a
day like that makes sense for the show in the format.
But I'm sure viewership wanted an engagement, and I'm sure
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the responses were probably not outrageously supportive towards you, or
maybe they were. I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I think we create our own uh. I don't know
if it's an echo chamber, but you know, it's my
social media. No one else sees it but me, So
I see all the responses that are on it, and
even on the show, producers would say, don't look at
the good or the bad. Neither one of them is beneficial.
And it's hard not to when you're getting blown up
by thousands of comments and likes and things like that.
(23:03):
And it's also cool to see. I mean for anybody,
I think if all of a sudden you gained one
hundred thousand followers, you'd be very curious what is happening
in the situation? Who are these people? What do they want?
And so I saw all the good, and I saw
all the bad and all the negative comments, and I
would say it was hindsight twenty twenty, realizing that it
was a lot more good than bad. But the bad
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voices seemed to ring a lot louder, and so a
lot of people that were saying negative comments were much
more adamant in getting their point across. It was read
it became the worst place in human creation in my opinion,
people that just like all of a sudden, I would
get an influx of negativity and I'm like, where's this
(23:45):
coming from? And then someone would drop comment like Peter,
you're getting blown apart and read it, and so I'd
open up Reddit and sure there was this story about
my life that I had no clue about that was
going off, and everybody was just designing it to turn
that into this like it was like a wave of
hatred would come on my page and as soon as
it came on, it would be gone. And it's just
this wave back and forth, back and forth for like
(24:07):
four or five years. And so it all started with
oh my god. I mean, you know, at some point,
like halfway or two thirds of the way through the
show itself, when I started to realize like, oh, this
is going to be a roller coaster, like people are
going to come in and hate you for anything, and
that was all find and good. I eventually started to
find a way to just kind of move past it
(24:27):
or ignore it. But then I think when it really
got to like a point where I just didn't want
to deal with anymore, was when it started affecting my business,
Like people started commenting and leaving one stars and things
on my business and yeah, it's like, what is the
point of this. This is based off of the show
that has no place in reality, and you're affecting my
(24:48):
real life now, Like it was an experience for me.
It was a fun experience for me. I know I
didn't end in the way that many people wanted to,
But at the end of the day, everybody on here
is just a human trying to figure out their own
For you to come and attack someone because they didn't
do it in the way that you did, you would
never do that in real life, why are you doing
it here? So eventually I just turned it off. That
was it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Well, So you mentioned that you've gotten comments on social
media ever four to five years after, and that is
because Peter, you stuck with people. People wanted you to
be the lead more than I think of anybody of
anybody that never became the lead. Like that's why I
said at the beginning of the show, like you were
the bachelor that just never was. You were the one
(25:27):
that caught away from the franchise. We know, we know
that they wanted you to be the lead, but it
was your decision not to be And I know that
some people say this. Lots of people like to be like, oh,
you know, God asked didn't want to do it, But
I never really believe those people. I do believe you.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
All the conversations about it started while I was still
on the show in therapy. The therapist was the first
one who ever brought it up. So as we were
getting to the final couple weeks of the show, the
therapist on the show is the one who said, would
you think about being the Bachelor? And is this really
happening right now? Like, is this a conversation you're bringing
up in this situation. No, I guess I hadn't thought
(26:07):
about it, but something i'd have to think about should
this not work out. And then in our overnight Rachel
and I, she brought it up and I just had
this conversation with a therapist was like, is this like
a running thing? So I I don't know. I was
just like, I guess I'd have to think about it
if it came to be, and jokingly I was like,
(26:28):
they'd have paid me a lot of money part of
my language. But then it was right after it, so
we were in real Hot Spain when everything ended and
I was stuck there for a few days while they,
like Brian and Rachel went on like their honeymoon date basically,
and the producers approached me there in that space within
(26:52):
forty eight hours twenty four hours, I don't even know what.
It was at a coffee shop and they like, okay,
would you think about being the Bachelor? I'm like, what,
I just spent twelve hours laying on a floor crying
with my lead producer, Megan as she played the same
song thirty six times, and like you're asking me this now,
Like I don't know. Guys like, okay, let's just let's
(27:14):
sit on it, think about it. We'll see you when
you get back to the States. And then it started
pretty quickly when I got back to the States, like
the I don't know what you call it, the courting
of me to be bachelor. It was flying me first
to Good Morning America in New York. I took a
red eye out there, and that was I don't know,
(27:38):
like the day after the final airing of the show,
and they kind of walked me around town with another
one of the lead producers and just said like would
you do this? We think you'd be perfect for it.
They were like, take me out to night's lunch, they
bought me a nice watch, like it was just a
very interesting experience and obviously like courting me. And then
it was flying out to Mike Flie's house out in
(28:02):
Malibu and sitting down there and having a longer, deeper
conversation about it, and then upon conversations like, Okay, I
can see how much this can affect someone's life. If
I'm really going to do this, it's really got to
be worth it financially, because they could ruin my life, Like,
so I'd have to start from square one if this
doesn't go well. I don't have money, Like I gave
(28:24):
up a lot of what I was doing to go
on this show. And then ever since I had to
kind of like divot, and so I made a request
and it was later agreed upon, and then there was
more negotiations about what I would hope to have done
on the show to like benefit me and my relationships,
and those were eventually all agreed upon, and then we
(28:46):
went to announce the me becoming the bachelor, I guess
on the finale of Paradise, And so I was sitting
in the trailer, they were pressing my suit and it
kept being like, Okay, the suit's not ready yet. Okay,
suit's not ready yet. And then it was okay, we're
just not going to do it now. Let's do it
(29:08):
tomorrow on Ellen or something like that, or Jimmy Kimmel,
whatever it was first and I was like, okay, well,
let's do it the next day on Jimmy Kile. And
then it was okay, let's fly back out to Good
Morning America and do it there. And at that point
the contract still wasn't fully signed, and I was sitting
in the airport to go to Good Morning America. The
contract was finally signed, and the other producer who's again
(29:30):
name I won't mention, was sitting with me, and as
the flight was literally boarding, she turns me and she says, Okay,
we're gonna go back to the hotel. It's not going
to happen this time, like we're not going to announce
you just yet. And so we went back to the
hotel and then one of the other like top producers
comes in and says, you know, we're gonna send you
(29:51):
home for the weekend. It was what is that at
that point Labor Day, right? Is that our Memorial Day? Yeah? Yeah,
one of those. We'll send you home for the holiday weekend.
Think on it. And then right before they left the room,
like do you want to do this? I said, straight
to his face, No, but I'm going to because I
(30:11):
think it would be foolish not too. It would be
a dumb opportunity to miss out on if it's here
for me. And so I went home and I thought
of it all weekend and text Mike Place on Sunday saying, Okay,
I'm ready. I'm all in. Let's do it like I'm
one hundred percent there. And because all that while I
(30:34):
was like, I was back and forth, this is the
right decision, is not? I was almost going to be
announced while still thinking like, I don't think I even
want to do this myself. I'd seen just too much,
I guess at that point, but it also was too afraid.
I was. I was terrified. And he texted me He's like, okay,
we've actually decided to go a different direction. I'm sorry.
And then the very next morning they announced, Sorry, so Ari.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Was the bachelor got announced? And replace okay that I
was gonna ask that.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Noep, what was I mean to.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Kind of close everything up here. There's a level two
where you know, I don't I think it would have
been an incredible Bachelor. I don't think it would have
been easy on the producers or easy on you, because
I think you would have pushed back, and I think
you would have kind of put your stakes in the
ground at places, and I think it could have become
(31:30):
a very exhausting experience. But I do think you could
you you would have had the potential to, you know,
find somebody. But I also just think you'd be a
great person to watch lead a show. I think the
I actually think the people that are like you lead
the show in the best of ways.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
But you find this text out you're saying publicly you
don't know if you really want to do it or not,
but it's a good opportunity, and who knows, you could
have found your wife. It's happened, but now you found
her in a different way. But back then, was it
disappointing to read that text? Like it feels like in
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my memory you in a sense disappeared after this kind
of scenario is happening behind the scenes. I don't remember
like hearing from you Aton publicly once this happened.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, I think the emotions were mixed. It was a
sigh of relief that I didn't have to think about
it anymore. It wasn't a thing. But that continued to
go on for years after thact. Anytime it was, you know,
time to select a bachelor again, I came back up.
Producers even reached out to me a couple of times.
I was supposed to going to Winter Games with you. Yeah,
(32:43):
and then at the last minute that got fix made.
They just decided, like literally the day before I supposed
fly out, like we've decided to go a different direction.
I thought that would have been fun. I'm glad it
didn't go because I realized have been really bad at
all the sports and fall.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'm glad you didn't go either, because I really like
Ashley and Jared together.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
That was good. Yes, it was relief and yeah, enjoyment.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
So you, guys, I do you feel like they were
kind of playing you with knowing that Ari was like
a backup and they knew that he would be more
easily produced, and he was always in the back of
their head because you did ask for certain caveats in
the contract. Do you mind me asking what did you
(33:42):
ask that would benefit the relationships during the show.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, for the first one is I saw how Brian
and Rachel were just getting an on slide of negativity
in every interview they showed for months after it was
one of the main questions was, well, how could you
have looked so interested in Peter and then right away
gone and engaged Brian. So I wanted to I guess
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a more helpful approach to the relationship afterwards, like champion
the relationship, not the downfall of the other. Like give
me some support, give the relationship some support afterwards, don't
just let it go off on its own, like it
seemed like she was just kind of thrown out to
the wolves by herself with Brian, and they weren't really
supporting her after they got the product that they needed.
And then they were supporting me like they're, you know,
(34:29):
trying to get me to be the bachelor. I was
almost getting more support and as like that is not
fair to anybody, So I'd asked for that during the show,
I'd asked that there was more unexpected visits to the
house or to the locations that the women were inside.
I could see people in their natural environment, Like, what
are you doing when you're not on this date that
(34:50):
you've prepared twenty four hours for? You know, are you
hanging out with the other girls, are you on your own?
Are you reading books? Are you working out? Are you
kind to everybody? Are you whatever? I just want to
see people in their natural environments. And that was That
was the two main things. I also wanted therapy sessions
(35:11):
televised or not. I didn't care in the last couple
of weeks for the top couples if you want me obviously,
and then the the other person, but in like three
different scenario it's like, Okay, we're a couple now, so
let's go to couples counseling in the last few weeks
of this show to see if we actually do get
along or is this just fluff that we're experiencing right now?
Is this just the excitement of the show that makes
(35:34):
us think, so we're attracted? And so all those things
were in some capacity agree to.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Those are really good asks.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I love those.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
But I but now back to the question that I
started asking about Ari. You think he was lingering for
a while, You think that he was more producible.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I can only say as a business owner. Now you
have to line up a lot of things because failure
is always an option, and if you're not prepared failure,
you failed as a leader, and as the leader of
a show, they had to have a backup. They're probably
talking to four or five six people at all times.
You guys, remember when we first went onto the show,
when there was one hundred and fifty people in the
final casting stages or something like that. And then what
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I was told is that even on the last couple
of days before the show started, there was like five
or six extra people waiting in the wings that just
didn't ever go on to the first episode.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I think that was the year they asked me to
come back, that there's.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
People that make waiting sense.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, no, yeah, they asked. I think that was the
year they called and said, hey, would you do it again?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, because there would have been too wait, two bachelors,
but no, it was Nick. You would have been you,
then Nick, then you again.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that was that. So I must
have been like your c team, Like they've probably had
a list of board They said, Peter one, Ari two,
Been three, We're going to destroy Ben if he comes
back again, and that sounds like you guys are psycho. No,
I'm not doing this again, Peter. Inclosing here, we obviously
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are this whole conversation out with talking about your new
relationship with Hannah. You have made the statement that we're
going to hold you to because even if you were
doing it, and just do you still said it. You're
gonna be engaged by end of the year, have kids
by in the next year, be married, and at some
point within that too.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Got receipts.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, she's gonna play this podcast for you.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I hope, well, I hope she doesn't listen to the
rest of it. You may not, after.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
All that she's a You had mentioned that at one
point she was a fan of the show. As you
enter into this whole next season of life that will
have less and less to do with your time on
the show and everything we talked about today, you start
this whole new life as somebody. Are you glad now
that you did it? Do you look back on it
and say, yes, it was an opportunity you are thankful
(37:50):
you said yes to Or do you wish this would
have never existed?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I feel like life as it is right now would
not exist in the slightest sense if it weren't for
the show. I can go off a list of things
that have benefited from me being on that show. So
my business at the time was in home personal training.
Because of the show, I couldn't go into people's homes anymore.
It just became too awkward, and so I started doing
(38:15):
boot camps. Those boot camps led to me being all
over the country for four or five six hundred people
at a time, all the while saving up money to
open my first gym. And then when the gym opened,
things were great, but then the pandemic hit and had
I not had social media, my gym would have closed
within the first two three months because I had the
reserves to back it up. I was losing tens of
(38:35):
thousands of dollars a month. So the social media alone
from the show benefited me once again, the social clout,
if you will, that allowed me to open certain doors
and create certain partnerships even now because of the name
that follows me, because I feel like I did manage
to hold myself to a high standard throughout and people
(38:55):
saw me as like, Okay, you stuck your guns, you
were brave in a difficult situation. We can know and
trust you to support our businesses. Now I'm working with
multimillion dollar, one hundred million dollar investments on some of
these properties I'm working with, and they're putting my name
on the side of it, and so it benefited from that.
And then I look at going on to Raya, and
while it took me seven years on Raya to eventually
(39:18):
delete it seven times and pick it back up the
last time to meet Hannah, it worked. I met Hannah
through Raya, which I never would have gotten had it
not been from Blue Check that came from the show.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, you wouldn't have gotten on Raya because it's a
kind of elitist type of dating app where you have
to like sort of have ties to the entertainment industry.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah. I had twelve hundred followers before I went on
that show. That was that was it. I was not
going on Raya by any means. Yeah, all that say
like it was a great opportunity that while it had
a lot of difficulties, it benefited me long term.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
No doubt, it definitely did. And I appreciate you tying
the threads and the lines together for us because I
think that's always you know, I've loved the producers back
in the days that we were on the show, and
I think some of them are really great. I think
others of them were not so great, But I do
hold a lot of them with a lot of respect because,
(40:10):
if anything, they're brilliant and they're good at what they do.
And I'm always I always think even in the most
difficult scenarios, for a lot of the people that come
on the show, the outcome can be of benefit if
you allow it to be. And you definitely did, and
you just tied so many different ways together. Kind of
that it's on Instagram now, like the butterfly effect, right,
(40:31):
Like the things that had to happen for you to
be where you're at today. Well, it's beautiful and we
appreciate you being here today. On The Almost Famous Podcasts,
breaking down one of the most, if not the most
iconic memories and moments in Bachelorette history. Peter, thanks for
joining the Almost Famous podcast.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
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