April 11, 2025 • 8 mins
Ben and Ashley are taking you behind the scenes of The Bachelor franchise and talking to the controversial figures that make the dramatic moments unforgettable. Don’t miss “Infamous: Sometimes Roses are Red Flags” right here on the Almost Famous podcast!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Bachelor has been on for over twenty years. There
has been love found and of course love lost amongst
all the roses handed out. We thought we'd seen it all, engagements, weddings, babies,
devastating breakups and forever friendships.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But there is a darker side.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Stories and scandals that were buried and never told, Questions
that need answers, and truths that must be revealed. Beginning Monday,
we bring you behind the camera and expose the stories
that remained until now untold. A tell all from those
you've gotten to know and love and those you love
to hate. Ben Higgins and Ashley, I bring you Infamous.
(00:44):
Sometimes roses are red flags. Listen Monday on the Almost
Famous podcast feed to Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Infamous is an idea that I think listeners and viewers,
past viewers of the show and viewers today have been
kind of asking for They're wondering what is going on
with the show, and a lot of these questions that
have been even made into television shows like Unreal that
have lasted seasons. A lot of these big questions of
(01:14):
how's the show actually made? Why do people kind of
look the way they look after coming off the show,
and maybe why is somebody a villain on the show
that I meet them in person, they're so nice and
friendly and welcoming. What is actually happening on this show
to make people this way? This has been questions that
so many viewers have asked for years.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Right, Yes, everybody always asks is it real?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Like?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Did they make you say that?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
And now something's happening in the Bachelor background. The crew
that we have known for so many years pretty much gone.
I know one person that remains. And because they're all gone,
Ben and I, to be quite honest, have not so
many ties there, not so many loyalties left.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Is that why you're willing to do it now?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
See, I find myself to be just a little bit
more honest about the things that you and I have
been so protective of because we were protecting the people
who worked there.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
We love them.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
They gave us so much in life, Like ever, so
much of what we live today is thanks to the
people that work there. And now that nobody works there,
it's like, yeah, I can kind of tell some more stories.
We can give you guys, a little bit more juice.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
The juice is necessary now. I will still hold on
to it. I've been lying to anybody for nine years
by saying I do not blame editing for all of
the cast members' mistakes. I refuse to do that. I've
been on this show. Editing has been a problem for
a few but a lot of times it's the decisions
that people are making, or maybe I should say it differently.
(02:50):
I think what we're going to find is it's the
input of trusted producers who help cultivate the decisions that
we then look back on and say that felt like
a mistake.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Okay, So Ben is going to take this side, and
as a victim of Malia may I say editing I
am probably going to be a little bit more lax
when people do want to blame the storyline that they
were fit into.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's so many different perspectives. Ashley and I can agree
to disagree on this, but here's what we're going to
get into. The show has changed, it has It has
changed over the years that Ashley and I have been
doing the almost famous podcast. We've talked here recently about
how we think the show could be better. A lot
of that is kind of an off hands approach to producing. Also,
(03:44):
the show has changed in the fact that people's pursuits
are different than maybe they used to be. I think
that's obvious to any viewer. The show has changed also
in the lack of viewers that are watching this show.
And part of infamous is going to be digging in
to ask the question why have people stopped watching?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I must admit that since people have stopped watching, there
hasn't been really any infamous moments. You know, think about
the last infamous moments.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, if you look it up online, what are the
most infamous moments of The Bachelor, I think you would
be hard pressed to find any in the last five times.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
In the Brown season was probably the last one people
would call infamous, whether it's the podium move or her
just relationship with Tyler Cameron.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
There was one more.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Thing, the windmill.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Oh, the windmill.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
We had sex four terms the windmill thing, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
What's his name? What was his name?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Peter?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Peter was in the windmill, Yes, but Luke was the
one that she was coming at saying, guess what. I
had sex the windmill four times and Jesus still loves
me and it was amazing. And that was probably one
of the last infamous moments that we've had and ever
since then it's been a downlold sprial. But hopefully we
do have Hannah Brown coming on the show in a
(05:07):
couple months, and we're gonna have to get into those
since her season is filled with those moments that we'd
love to dig into further.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I'm sure she would love to talk about all those moments.
I'd probably be a blast.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
For her in prep for her wedding.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You touched on a few things as we close here
and get started in this infamous journey that I think
is really really important for us to speak to. When
we were on the show many years ago. The staff,
a lot of the staff had been around for twenty years.
Like they the camera and the audio had been around
(05:41):
since the beginning episodes of The Bachelor and Bachelorette. The producers,
a lot of them grew up within the franchise. They
started as junior producers and moved their way up to
EPs hosts of the show. Chris Harrison was around forever, right.
He was known for The Bachelor and Bachelor for the
first time ever, for the first time in Bachelor history.
(06:06):
There is one person, one person we're still on this show,
still around that we are familiar with and know of
everybody else is new and that happened this offseason. That's
a big deal. And so a big of the question
there that I want to get to the bottom of
is why, like why the change, why the switch? And
(06:30):
then what what are they hoping has done differently to
make this show back to what it was?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And can we actually get it back to what it was?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Will there one be a day in the future where
Along Gale is back producing it and Chris Harrison is
back as the host, perhaps after a couple of years break,
and then it relives somewhere else like American Idol Dead.
But we're going to get into this and we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Get as many.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Juicy details about what happened in front of the camera
and what happened.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Behind the camera here for you guys.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
So what we'll be doing is having some of your
favorite casts come on to talk about what you saw
on TV as an infamous moment, but also what they
experienced behind the scenes, all the conversations that they had
with the producers, how long it got for them to
get to the point in which the dramatic moment was made.
And then we're also and this is when it gets
(07:25):
special guys. We're also going to talk to producers. We're
going to try to make them as incognito as possible.
We want to know why the franchise has seemingly fallen
apart over the past few years. We want to know
not just that, but also how these huge moments were
(07:45):
produced and how your favorite seasons were produced, because sometimes
it's even more dramatic behind the scenes than it is
in front of the camera, as you see from shows
like Unreal This.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Will Be Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on
iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.
The Bachelor has been on for over twenty years. There
has been love found and of course love lost amongst
all the roses handed out. We thought we'd seen it all, engagements, weddings, babies,
devastating breakups and forever friendships.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But there is a darker side.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Stories and scandals that were buried and never told, Questions
that need answers, and truths that must be revealed. Beginning Monday,
we bring you behind the camera and expose the stories
that remained until now untold. A tell all from those
you've gotten to know and love and those you love
to hate. Ben Higgins and Ashley, I bring you Infamous.
(00:44):
Sometimes roses are red flags. Listen Monday on the Almost
Famous podcast feed to Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Infamous is an idea that I think listeners and viewers,
past viewers of the show and viewers today have been
kind of asking for They're wondering what is going on
with the show, and a lot of these questions that
have been even made into television shows like Unreal that
have lasted seasons. A lot of these big questions of
(01:14):
how's the show actually made? Why do people kind of
look the way they look after coming off the show,
and maybe why is somebody a villain on the show
that I meet them in person, they're so nice and
friendly and welcoming. What is actually happening on this show
to make people this way? This has been questions that
so many viewers have asked for years.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Right, Yes, everybody always asks is it real?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Like?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Did they make you say that?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
And now something's happening in the Bachelor background. The crew
that we have known for so many years pretty much gone.
I know one person that remains. And because they're all gone,
Ben and I, to be quite honest, have not so
many ties there, not so many loyalties left.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Is that why you're willing to do it now?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
See, I find myself to be just a little bit
more honest about the things that you and I have
been so protective of because we were protecting the people
who worked there.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
We love them.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
They gave us so much in life, Like ever, so
much of what we live today is thanks to the
people that work there. And now that nobody works there,
it's like, yeah, I can kind of tell some more stories.
We can give you guys, a little bit more juice.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
The juice is necessary now. I will still hold on
to it. I've been lying to anybody for nine years
by saying I do not blame editing for all of
the cast members' mistakes. I refuse to do that. I've
been on this show. Editing has been a problem for
a few but a lot of times it's the decisions
that people are making, or maybe I should say it differently.
(02:50):
I think what we're going to find is it's the
input of trusted producers who help cultivate the decisions that
we then look back on and say that felt like
a mistake.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Okay, So Ben is going to take this side, and
as a victim of Malia may I say editing I
am probably going to be a little bit more lax
when people do want to blame the storyline that they
were fit into.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's so many different perspectives. Ashley and I can agree
to disagree on this, but here's what we're going to
get into. The show has changed, it has It has
changed over the years that Ashley and I have been
doing the almost famous podcast. We've talked here recently about
how we think the show could be better. A lot
of that is kind of an off hands approach to producing. Also,
(03:44):
the show has changed in the fact that people's pursuits
are different than maybe they used to be. I think
that's obvious to any viewer. The show has changed also
in the lack of viewers that are watching this show.
And part of infamous is going to be digging in
to ask the question why have people stopped watching?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I must admit that since people have stopped watching, there
hasn't been really any infamous moments. You know, think about
the last infamous moments.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, if you look it up online, what are the
most infamous moments of The Bachelor, I think you would
be hard pressed to find any in the last five times.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
In the Brown season was probably the last one people
would call infamous, whether it's the podium move or her
just relationship with Tyler Cameron.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
There was one more.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Thing, the windmill.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Oh, the windmill.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
We had sex four terms the windmill thing, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
What's his name? What was his name?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Peter?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Peter was in the windmill, Yes, but Luke was the
one that she was coming at saying, guess what. I
had sex the windmill four times and Jesus still loves
me and it was amazing. And that was probably one
of the last infamous moments that we've had and ever
since then it's been a downlold sprial. But hopefully we
do have Hannah Brown coming on the show in a
(05:07):
couple months, and we're gonna have to get into those
since her season is filled with those moments that we'd
love to dig into further.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I'm sure she would love to talk about all those moments.
I'd probably be a blast.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
For her in prep for her wedding.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You touched on a few things as we close here
and get started in this infamous journey that I think
is really really important for us to speak to. When
we were on the show many years ago. The staff,
a lot of the staff had been around for twenty years.
Like they the camera and the audio had been around
(05:41):
since the beginning episodes of The Bachelor and Bachelorette. The producers,
a lot of them grew up within the franchise. They
started as junior producers and moved their way up to
EPs hosts of the show. Chris Harrison was around forever, right.
He was known for The Bachelor and Bachelor for the
first time ever, for the first time in Bachelor history.
(06:06):
There is one person, one person we're still on this show,
still around that we are familiar with and know of
everybody else is new and that happened this offseason. That's
a big deal. And so a big of the question
there that I want to get to the bottom of
is why, like why the change, why the switch? And
(06:30):
then what what are they hoping has done differently to
make this show back to what it was?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And can we actually get it back to what it was?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Will there one be a day in the future where
Along Gale is back producing it and Chris Harrison is
back as the host, perhaps after a couple of years break,
and then it relives somewhere else like American Idol Dead.
But we're going to get into this and we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Get as many.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Juicy details about what happened in front of the camera
and what happened.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Behind the camera here for you guys.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
So what we'll be doing is having some of your
favorite casts come on to talk about what you saw
on TV as an infamous moment, but also what they
experienced behind the scenes, all the conversations that they had
with the producers, how long it got for them to
get to the point in which the dramatic moment was made.
And then we're also and this is when it gets
(07:25):
special guys. We're also going to talk to producers. We're
going to try to make them as incognito as possible.
We want to know why the franchise has seemingly fallen
apart over the past few years. We want to know
not just that, but also how these huge moments were
(07:45):
produced and how your favorite seasons were produced, because sometimes
it's even more dramatic behind the scenes than it is
in front of the camera, as you see from shows
like Unreal This.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Will Be Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on
iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.
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