July 6, 2021 • 49 mins
Ben and Ashley pull some deep analysis on Blake’s role now that things are are getting heated on Katie’s season.
Do you think the lead ever gets “starstruck” by contestants from another season? That may be happening with Katie and Blake.
And Ben brings up a different point of view on an issue affecting many high profile members of Bachelor nation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Benn and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
with her radio. Welcome to the almost Famous podcast. We're
here for another episode. Ashley I Connetti, the wonderful, the talented,
the spunky. How is your How was your holiday weekend?
It was wonderful. Um. We just went over to her
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friend's house. She had the most cute Instagram where these spread. Um.
It was in Arlington, Virginia, so we got to see
the fireworks from her rooftop, which was really cool. And
I mean, like the National fireworks, which is really awesome.
I've only seen them a couple of times, even though,
like I've grown up in Virginia, I've only gone to
see the DC fireworks couple of times because you know,
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it's crazy, um to get in there and all that, um,
and like, other than that, pretty relaxing laid by the pool.
Lois floated out on the pool with Jared, which is
really cute. But that's about it. What about you? Well,
I am back in Indie, Sienna on the lake Whyno Lake,
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Indiana represent I'm here right now looking out at the lake. Uh.
And I just came off the boat to do this podcast.
So that's something. Now, Jessica's family, uh came in, so
her parents both came in. They did that last year
and then uh, Jessica's here still they left and my
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parents so we did three full days agether it was
a blast, like we had an amazing time. Why not.
No lake really does Fourth of July in a big way.
It's kind of so a lot of families around here
call it like their designated Christmas um because kids go
off and do different things. They don't want to come
back to Indiana for the winner. And so this is
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where like families get together, they do their big dinners.
They do like I'll like the kids come in. Here's
the crazy part and this has no I really don't
want this to come off judgmental, um, but I'm a
huge fan of fireworks. I grew up. I just love
lighting of firework and see explodes, seeing the colors, seeing
what's gonna do. It's always a surprise. There's like just
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a like a mystery to it and like a power
to It's it's a great thing right to do. I
really enjoy. I don't understand the idea of fireworks. So,
for example, our neighbor here in the lake, uh lives
a couple of houses down he bought ten thousand dollars
with the fireworks and an incredible show that he put on.
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An incredible show. I mean it's beautiful and the whole
neighborhood gets together to the watch it. But I just
so it feels like professional fireworks, like when you go
to like somewhere that the town puts on. I mean, yeah,
you would never know or there firecracks. What's the worst
in firecrackers and fireworks? And like fireworks are the big ones,
then firecrackers are the little things you buy the stands. Yeah, yeah,
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firecrackers are the things that like Jessica lights off, she's
allowed to buy fireworks in Indiana. Oh yeah, we do.
It depends on the stage. Yeah, it depends on the state.
Well we have. I mean the whole lake was full
of them at night, uh during the fourth So yes,
you can definitely buy him here. But nothing really says
like America like ten th dollars going up in flames
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and like five minutes, you know, it just feels wild
and and every sort of the way. Now again there's
nothing like it's a really incredible thing to watch, but
then when you're done, you're like whoa like that. That
was just a lot of money up in the air,
Like it's just it's just a weird time. Okay, whatever,
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whatever you want to spend your money on. I guess hey,
why not. Well, hey, it was a good holiday weekend.
The weather is nice in Indiana. But we did take
some time to sit down with all of you to
talk about this week's episode of the Bachelorette. It continues
to be a great season. Katie continues to be a
terrific bachelorette. We're here to break it down for you
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right now, but before we do, we want to wish
you all a great holiday weekend, a great week. But
we're gonna take a break and we'll come back with
almost same as podcasts. Alright, guys, it is time to
recap episode five of Katie season. Um. Alrighty, Well, this
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is actually like a really simple step by step episode,
very classic. We had our one on one, we had
our group date, we had another one on one, and
we had a roast ceremony, and really there wasn't a
ton of drama. The biggest, you know, topic number one
is definitely Blake coming in. I liked the way that
they started out with Caitlin taking a walk and being like, so,
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how was it when Nick came on? And just having
that relatability factor and having Caitlyn there for her that
made a lot of sense. I like that. And then
I liked the fact that Taitia came in and in
your kind of like previewed what was going to happen
to the guys by saying like I know this, I like,
I trust him, I hope, and and like I'm vouching
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for him here. So like, I think that was kind
of her way of saying, like, let's not make this
so dramatic right now. Um, and the guys really like
they didn't I didn't really freak out. I think they
kind of obeyed what she wanted. Yeah, I found this
is an interesting part. And tell me if I'm crazy, Ashley,
but Blake walks in, you would expect the guys to
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be shocked, every one of them to be shocked. They
were very prepared by what said. I think I think
they were very prepared. I don't think they were happy
about it, but this would be a moment, as like
a bachelorette and bachelor, that you're really seeing how like
you're judging how people react, you're kind of watching and
seeing Okay, who here seems like overly angry? Who see
here seems just like completely like jealous. Who here isn't
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happy about it? Like nobody is happy that anybody else
is there, but they're handling it like that's This is
one of those controversial pivot points that we talked about
every season that I feel like she was probably watching
who hands like how did the people handle it? Now?
And we knew this was going to happen, and I'm
glad it did. I don't think it was good for
the guys, but for them him didn't get a one
on one before somebody else like that would have probably
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disappointed me personally. If I was one of those guys,
I would have just been like a little bumped. Do
you remember what happened with Nick on Caitlin season when
did he get his first one on one? Well, we
it was a different story with Nick, because doesn't it
feel so much different a little bit? But we also
found out uh dirt, like when Nick came in. I
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forget how exactly, so don't quiz me on it. But
I do remember knowing that Nick and Caitlin had talked
before and had probably seen each other, like within the
last couple of weeks, And so we knew that Nick
and Caitlin had a history of some kind. We didn't
know the extent, We didn't know how much they had talked,
but we knew they had some history when he came on,
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and so it was less of a just one more
guy thing two more of oh my gosh, like he's
gonna walk in and sweep this thing away, like we're
all done, like they they were dating before the show.
This has all been one big set up. Now we
find out it wasn't, like, but that was going through
our minds at the time. That's what all the guys
behind the scenes were talking about, like, Hey, did we
just get totally like set up here? Now we obviously
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didn't and they didn't play out like that. Yeah, So
Blake gets the one on one and I think it
went exactly how we assumed it would go, really well.
You know, they proved to be pretty compatible. And she
said like she can imagine walking out of this thing
with him, which is pretty huge. Uh, And I kind
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of I can see it too, Like I think like
Blake went to top three, top yeah, top three in
that day. Can we talk about something for a moment
that wasn't brought up, and it could just be my insecurities.
But I had watched two full seasons. It's soon as
I started to get asked, Hey, do you are you
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interesting to be on the show? I started to watch
as many season as I could on television. And you
and I have both admitted that when you show up
and you meet the bachelor or Bachelor, they, in a
lot of ways feel like a celebrity. You're nervous, You've
seen him on TV, you've seen him on the cover
of magazines, and now you're there in front of them,
and for a short pid period of time, you're very
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kind of star struck in a way. Is there any
of that going on with Katie meeting Blake? Like she
had watched him on television, she had watched his season.
Now she has already been on but then you know,
he kind of comes in and she already knows a
bit about him. Like, is there an infatuation with Oh,
I've watched you on TV? Could that be playing into this? Yeah? No,
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Like I get it, but like Katie is also on
the same level, if not higher, Like people are going
to make it like that like she's the star here,
so like, does the star really get star struck by
the supporting character? Yes, I don't think. Actually I've told
you this. I was star struck when I met you
the you know you know this, like when I met you,
you know this the first time I met you as
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and I was already announced announced the bachelor, or at
least I was knowing I was going to become the bachelor,
like they had already kind of told me. I met
you the first time. I remember that day, and I go,
I've watched her on television, like I know this human
like it's it's just a thing. Like I don't think
there's like a hierarchy here. Okay, okay, so two different
ways of seeing it. I don't know that that's really
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playing a role here. I think there is a benefit
to their being, um there being like a familiar rare
how do you say that word of familiarity? Yeah, just
kind of role the RNL and then just keep going,
yeah with this person like you feel like you already
kind of know them, which I feel like makes conversation
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easier because you can kind of use what you already
know fair enough. And and and there there was just like, uh,
I felt like there was a on this to their
first interaction. I felt like there's a calmness to this date.
I think they both knew how to date on this show.
I think that has an advantage like that. That's also
what I mean when it's a familiarity, just like an
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ease the experience. Yeah, how far did he go on
Tatious season? Pretty far? Um? I think he was top
five Okay, which is wild. It's funny He's like, I
haven't felt this way in the longest time, Like, so,
you didn't feel that way about Tasia and it didn't
feel that way about Claire even though you said it. Um.
I think it's also kind of crazy that it keeps
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saying that he was like dumb this twice before. It's like, no,
he didn't. He was on a season where the league
dropped out. He was on one season before not to
let's not make it seem like that. I do think,
I mean, from what I'm watching on television, I mean,
the biggest controversy with Blake is gonna be I mean,
I don't know what he's done in his personal life,
but it's gonna be, Oh, you're just out to date
the Bachelor. That's gonna be the thing that everybody's talking about. Now.
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I don't really buy that, because I think this is
a a good opportunity. I think the bachelorets are always
incredible people, and so of course you would want to
date them, and if you get the opportunity, like, go
for it, your single, give it a shot. I'm not
I just also and I'm assuming this. I don't know
Blake at all. Never met him. Uh he we did interview. Okay,
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well that's it. But I feel like he's a hopeless romantic.
I feel like he is. It's easy for him to
become very interested in somebody because he wants to like
fall him up? Now does he Is he going to?
I don't know, but I think that's why you probably
see him going, oh my gosh, I really like Claire,
Oh my gosh, I really like Tasia, Oh my gosh,
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I really like like Katie. Like I don't think that's
hard for him to get to. I think he's probably
in it most times when he meets somebody as incredible
as those three. Yeah, and also, let's remind everyone that
he also slid into Claire's d MS before the show.
He's a little d M slider. There you go. So
was I uh, he was actually eliminated seventh seventh okay, seventh, okay? Well, um,
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anything else to say about that? Well, I think we
should point out that Katie did bring up her sexual
assault history again one on one with Blake. She brought
it up during the date with the group date with
Nick and I and it's I think it's just important
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that like all these guys know about that. And I
think what an incredible thing for Katie to do. To know,
it's bringing awareness to something that so many have to
suffer through and are healing from, and she took this
opportunity to do it. And I mean, I think the
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amount of conversations around it, and then also the promotion
of RAIN and some of the organizations that people can
support who are going out to help, is really incredible.
I mean, I she falls in love. I hope this
is a great love story if all, If that doesn't
work out, A huge win for this season and for
Katie's kind of legacy on The Bachelor is to bring
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these conversations to a head so that we can start
having him again. I think that the fact that she
brings up that she wanted to pursue a relationship, and
she went after that guy so intensely afterwards is a
part of the story that is probably relatable to a
lot of women, and that's something that nobody talks about,
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just so that she like had a different sense about
the experience. But well, she's uh and and you know,
I've really enjoyed watching Katie. I think the way she's
navigated this thing, uh, not perfectly, but who does. But
just it's been really I'm really engaged in her season,
uh and kind of how she's navigating it and how
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she's dealing with these conversations and what she's bringing the light, uh,
and who she's choosing and who she's not choosing. So
Katie's done extremely well. And then you know, we see
the end of this day. Are you shocked at all
that Blake gets a rose? I'm assuming not. And you
just made this comment you think he's jumped up to
top three? Wow? Yeah, because I think like top I
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think top four is Greg Andrew, Blake and Michael. Yeah.
I agree with that. I think Connor b was up
there for me. He's definitely dropped down, Yeah, dropped. I
don't think she's not attracted to him. Yeah, I think
he's dropped. He had a great first impression, but we've
kind of seen how that first impression can fade and
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and so I don't I'm with you. I'm looking at
these names right now. Season there is it happens, uh,
and so we've gotten to see these other stories kind
of be highlighted. Well, then we have a group date.
After Blake gets to Rose, we have a group date
and it has Greg, Courtney, Aaron, Mike, p Michael, a Andrew,
m Josh, Justin, Brendan j Names, Connor, Betray and Hunter.
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That is a big group of people. How do we
have this many people still left? Well, a lot of
them we don't really know. And I do feel like
this Rose ceremony cut out a lot of the guys
that we didn't have any sort of attachment to. Uh.
This was one of those athletic group dates which we
all you know, someone always gets hurt. The big takeaway
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here during this is that Hunter is like crazy aggressive
and he thinks he's impressing Katie by like tackling these
guys and annoying and annoying them. And then Michael gets
hurt and Katie calls the game, and she brought up
the point that if Michael had to go to the hospital,
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he would have been debubbled, right, he would have been
taken out of the bubble and then not allowed back in.
How crazy is that. I didn't think about that at all?
How I mean, Yeah, A whole new element to this
experience is like you can't get hurt, which surprises me
that the show is so willing to put. Mean, We've
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had a couple of dates so far that people definitely
could have got hurt at. Like, I'm shocked that somebody
hasn't got seriously injured at him wrestling. Uh this, I mean,
You've grown humans going full speed at each other, some
to like destroy the other person. Like, I mean, I'm
surprised the show is taking that risk, but I guess
it does add a dramatic element. But if Michael would
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have gone home, I honestly think Bachelor Nation just completely
like erupts like that they are so angry he is
he has to if he's not a kiddie, he has
to be considered for the next Bachelor. I need to
watch him. Everything stops, everything, everything when he's on screen.
I'm like, Okay, this is we gotta focus in. He's
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so captivating and just the sweetest And that was another
like takeaway from this this group day is that he
kind of reveals to all the guys he can find
been in a few earlier in the season that he's
a widow. And the emotional reaction from these guys Greg
really really really hit him. Started crying. Um, They're just
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like he's so happy, He's like so positive, and you
would just never know that this guy was going he
went through this and I love him. I don't know,
he's just Oh, he's just the sweetest thing. And yeah,
do you think here's my question though, so we obviously
see Wells Franco as the commentators for this date, do
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you think Franco just like quarantines for the whole entire season? Like,
is he on set the whole time? Because this is
a couple of times we've seen him, not just this season,
but like he pops up, you know, he does a
couple host a couple of dates. Do you think he's
just hanging out? No, it'sn't only been one day this season,
well sure, but two completely different dates. I just wonder,
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I mean, if he pops up again this season, we
gotta get him on the podcast. I gotta ask him
how much time he spends on set. I mean it
has to be weeks. Well, it wasn't it last year?
Then he dressed up people. Yeah, so I'm just wanting
if he comes up again. Yeah, he's on call. Why not?
I mean, he shows up. They did great wells and
Franco hilarious. Uh, they do really well together. I'm with
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the ash. I don't have a problem with this date
as much as I do like just straight out wrestling. Uh.
I would have probably semi enjoyed being a part of
this date, just from the athletic side of it and
the competition side. But there's really no good way. The
worst part of this date is there's just no good
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way to like show your true character. I mean, I
guess kind of hunter did I guess? I guess that
was a good Yeah, we saw his true character, but
it's just hard. You kind of either get lost in
the mix and it just doesn't feel like the dates
that we love. I would definitely rather have the Nick
File like sit down talk than I with this one.
Same same and even last week's scavenger Hunt or whatever
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that was, I don't understand I mean, I don't understand
Katie's thing with Hunter. I don't get I mean, like
it seems like he you know, she looked at pictures
of him with with his kids and she was like,
oh my god, like there's such a light around you,
like you look like a whole different person. But like,
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I don't feel any chemistry there for her to give
him the group date. Rose is interesting. How do you
how did you deal with group date Roses, because like,
obviously we know that the same person is not going
to get it every single week. You know, it's it's
at all an alternating thing. You know. They were talking
about how important that group date was and how it
was like a first impression Rose. I'm like, no, one isn't, guys,
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it's whoever stood out this week, who didn't stand out
the week before. I'll give you a little secret, okay. Uh,
how I gave group group date Roses was this, Uh,
there was obviously an attraction. Um there was like it
wasn't just hey, I'm gonna give this to this person
for no reason, but there was a little strategy to
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it because I wanted One of my biggest fears was
that everybody would leave at some point because they just
felt like, oh, this isn't worth it for me anymore.
Like he's not into it, he's gone, So I tried
to spread him out. Yeah, that's a better way to
say it. Yes, not Roses. That mean they mean something,
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for sure, I think. But I think it's more like
you stood out to me today type of rather than
like a you stand out to me amongst the crowd
all the time, Rose, I would not look too far.
If I'm a viewer, I'm not watching this going he
got the group day Rose. That means he's like top three.
It's just saying, hey, this week, she knows she wants
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to know a little bit more about him, so he
can be around next week. Like there's not a question
that she wants him here and and so I'm gonna
give this to him just so like he knows that.
Like I'm still into it. Like that that's all I
see in it. There's not there is not at all
the first impression Rose type weight to it. And uh,
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but I will say on Caitlyns season, when I got
a group, they rose and I can't remember how many, God,
I think maybe two. Uh, it's a good feeling like
it definitely like energizes you. It gives you a little confidence,
it validates kind of what you're feeling and thinking. And
so I think they're impactful. I just don't think they're
extremely meaningful. Well, actually, I want to hear your thoughts
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because I know you're You and I both are big
fans of Michael uh and we're both fans of of
Katie and Michael's relationship. Well, Michael's moment with Katie on
this group date is is something spectacular. I mean, when
she she's caring for him, but the comment that he
makes such a smooth line. I don't see him as
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a smooth dude, but such a smooth line like can
I kiss you? And and she comes back with an
incredible response, you can kiss me anytime. You give me
all you want, all you want, you can kiss me
all you want. I mean, what a moment, What a
moment for their relationship. It's so cute. Who would have thought.
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I didn't think at all. The first week. I was like,
now it's a little nerd, that's why we love him.
But that was that was a big moment for me.
I was like, this guy is definitely up there, like
he's not I mean I've always known he's top three,
but like this could be something special, Like she is
into it, he's getting more study as time goes on,
to like he's getting hotter. Isn't that weird how that happens?
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We just talked about like first impression roses kind of
fade or first impressions like kind of disappear, uh for
whatever reason. But the one that kind of sneaks up
on you and the first couple of weeks like I
don't really notice him, and then all of a sudden,
like or her, and you're like, oh my gosh, like
they're like they are something. It's kind of Michael story.
I know. Another thing just to mention about, Well, I
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guess it is a group date. Aaron is so annoying.
Is he getting there for you? Yes? Every week he's
like I don't like that guy. Something about that guy.
I don't like that guy. It's like you have said
that about five different people and you change it and
you have a different person you don't like every single week.
That's all I have to say about that. All right. Um,
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as far as the group date, Oh Greg, we gotta
talk about Greg. I guess um, Greg's like I'm gonna
after seeing Michael and like and Michael talking about how
each moment of your life, like it is so precious
and you can't waste any time. He's like, Okay, I'm
really gonna step it up with Katie tonight. I don't
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know that he really steps it up, but she tells
him that he looks like a little lost puppy dog
and has like a resting sad face, and Greg just
says that, you know, he just like he's just so
crazy about her, um, and he's going to keep waiting
because she's worth it. Um. And Katie said that one
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of her biggest fears is that Greg would want to leave.
So I wonder if it's a little foreshadowing because we've
seen the super tease that somebody leaves. UM. My actual
gut instinct is that it's Michael, because we see him
on face time with this kid and he's like the
kid says the saddest thing, something like sometimes I think
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you don't like want to see me anymore or something
like that. UM, But I guess I possibly it could
be Greg also um leaving. I don't know, it's yeah,
it's somebody big, Like somebody big makes that move. Out
in it. I think a lot of what we're seeing
the teases come from that moment where she's like I'm done,
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Like this doesn't feel worth it, this isn't you know? Yeah,
I get has to come from there. Well, actually before
we move on here. Uh, there's two people that I'm
surprised we don't know more. I'm not shocked about one.
James is one of these people that James exactly the
guy in the box. I thought we would see more
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of him, but we don't know a lot about him.
The second one, though, is one that I really thought
was going to be a standout this season. And I'm
a little bit sad and that we haven't learned more
about him. I think we learned some, but it's Courtney
with a cue. We don't know a lot about Courtney yet,
and I feel he's gone now exactly. And that's shocking
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because he he, like Week one was I believe, like
one of our favorites. Like what happens. He's cool, he's
got a cool, suave vibe. Um. I do think that
he got a little bit into the drama. Um. But
other than that, like, I just think there was like
a lack of chemistry there and who was the other
person you said, James James. James's hair is too slicked. Yeah,
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if he had some like if his hair is a
little less hard, I would think he'd be getting more
screen time. Yeah, I haven't washed my hair, and I
don't know over a week at this point. Um, I've
been on the lake. I want to see James in
the lake like. I want to see him a week
without washing his hair, no slick back like hat on,
and just see see how the vibe changes. Yeah, I agree.
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I think I really like him. I think he's cool.
I just I think that he looks like a little
bit too swaved up too too often. I don't know
if that's Katie style either. She kind of exactly. No,
she likes a blake. She likes a guy who looks
like he's like working in the National Park. That's right,
good for her. Well, hey, we have a second one
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on one, but before we get there, let's take another break.
We come back or to break down the second one
on one of this episode. It's something special. We got
to talk about it, and we're back with almost from
his podcast. All right, Hey, Ben, do you know what
(27:09):
really stressed me out about this date? So what I
always like this moment, what is it? It started when
it was dark, and that always freaks me out because
that means they're going to be up to like four
in the morning. I mean, come on, I mean, how
many people out there would enjoy dating at starting at
(27:29):
like what? I mean? How to be probably? I mean this, yeah,
nine or ten o'clock, like when the sun went down
it was dark, and knowing that the dates like one
on ones on the Bachelor, like non Bachelor Paradise, but
on the Bachelor Bachelor I like always last at least
six hours. So that means, like at nine, you're starting
something that you know is going to last six hours
(27:51):
and you have to be totally on and your very
best self, and you like they walked into that dinner portion.
I'm not even kidding you. It must have been two
I am. I mean just rough, just rough. This is
why this is a show for young people. Okay, so
what do you think. Where's Andrew and Katie's chemistry at um?
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I think that she really likes I feel like there's
not a lot of chemistry. I'll say that I think
she really likes him, but I don't know if there's
like a magic factor here. I like the date. This
is a kind of date that you all know that
I like because you know, there's envelopes that have fun
little questions, you get a little get to know little
nuances about the person, and then they like smash the
(28:35):
hearts and there was like deeper conversation topics. I love
that stuff because The Bachelor, like we said it is
a zillion times on this podcast in the past four years.
But like when you're sitting there and it's like dead silent,
like you have no background music, no background speaking, it's
not like a regular date, it can be like really
hard to just like grab conversation topics and for not
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to seem super and um. So I think that when
they give them little envelopes like this, it really helps
ease things. And again we get to know more about
the contestant and their their chemistry. I just don't I
just don't know whether like there's like this hotness between
them that like she had obviously with Blake on that
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one on one. Yeah, but here's the thing that we
have to bring up. But I like Andrew a lot. Well,
we like Andrew and he's he's a great like from
what we watch and tell me he's a great dude.
And typically this is the week or next week that
we see the one on one of somebody who goes
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either really far or ends up with her with him
or her at the end. I mean four and five, Yeah,
this is the first one on one like that's I mean,
they usually save kind of the favorite right for that
like ending storyline where all of a sudden Week four
and five they erupt and kind of finished strong and
we get really invested in their story. But here's what
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I'll say is, I was thinking this is going to
happen with Andrew this week, and I didn't feel like
it erupted. Like I don't feel like there's storyline is
one that I'm like super involved in. I was expecting
them more of a chemistry than what I felt I saw.
Does that make sense, Yes, he's the guy heat to
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me in my head, he's the top four guy who
gets really far because he makes a lot of sense.
They have a lot of similarities, especially with their parents.
You know, they both come from like their parents both
didn't have the happiest of marriages. Andrew talks a lot
about how his dad wasn't that present and he wants
to be the exact opposite of that when he's older,
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which I think is you know, every girl loves hearing
about how the guy projects to be a father one day,
right and the so yeah, Like I think there's like
a lot of similarities in the way of that, in
their background, in the way that they see their futures.
I just think that he's like the top four guy
that like she wants to just love so much, but
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like the passion isn't there as it is with a
couple others. We'll see, maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Who knows, you might not be. And I mean we
do see some really good conversations come out of this
where they aren't afraid to dive deep and they aren't
afraid to laugh. But they also do start to have
conversations for the future. Uh you know, Andrew shares about
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his concerns because in the past relationships, somebody said they
were concerned about having uh A mixed children and Katie,
and Katie sits there with that and supports and here's
and so you do see these conversations happening where they
are talking about like what does the future look like?
And you know, where what could we become if this
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was us at the end. And so as much as
we're not feeling maybe the chemistry, what I am seeing
is they've had throughout this whole process some of the
most important conversations. Uh, that can prep him for the future.
So maybe we shall see, we shall see. There's that
one clip at the end of the Supertees that they
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used multiple times where she she yells Andrew and then
she runs into his arms as if he was departing,
and then she just had to say one last goodbye. Again,
maybe I'm over analyzing. It's always the most fun of
this anyways. Shall we speak about the rose ceremony? Yeah,
this is, uh, this is the rose ceremony that I
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always say. Week four, week five is when I started
get invested in the show again. And I'm back now
because we're starting to get rid of a couple more
guys that we haven't gotten the note too well, and
that haven't been a huge part of the storyline. But
the rose ceremony just did it start with the rose
being passed out? It started with Katie's entrance into the evening. Yeah,
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and she looked awesome, that red dress with like the chains.
I think all the guys were very into that. I
think the biggest storyline here was the Hunter pulls Katie
aside for chat even though he has a rose, which
we see this all the time. When I was in
the house, I wasn't sure how I feel about it.
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I still kind of torn about it. I still feel
like this is the kind of process where you have
to take advantage of all the time that you can get.
Do you are you supposed to look out for others?
I don't really know, um. But then and at the
same time, while I say that, I do feel like
those people who have roses going to the rose ceremony
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should at least give like the more time, um and
the earlier time slots to people who don't who don't
have one. What do you think I mean? I'm it
doesn't really bother me either way. Yeah, me neither. I
don't have like strong feelings, but like I could see
both sides. But actually tell me this, listeners, tell me this,
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At what point in any season that you've watched in
the twenty years that this show has been going that
when there is the take too much time guy or girl,
it's ever ended well for them? Like, it's not like
that is the start of a storyline for Hunter that
will just continue to get worse, I think the next
few weeks. And the reason I say that, the reason
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I I hint to that, is because I cannot remember
one man or one woman on this show who has
been hey, I have a Rose, but I'm going to
take more time than necessary and it's ended well for
them long term. It's a good point. That's a really
good point. Uh Yeah, Like he brings her over to
the telescope and then he also wants to have like
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couch time with her, And even though he's had the
telescope time and the couch time, he still tells James
to back away. And I'm like, no, it would have
been way more attractive if you're like, yeah, dude, you
go go for it. And does Katie seem that into
it at this point, She's not that into it. She
thinks she wanted to talk to James because she even
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said like, I appreciate you trying to come over and
grab me. Yeah. So at this point, I feel like,
as a viewer, I'm watching this going hilt and think
Katie is even if she gave the group date Rose,
I think she's starting to feel like wait, there's something. Yeah.
She even said you have a rose, so you should
feel good. Like, give me a break here. I have
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a lot of people to meet, and as much as
I love spending time with you, I also really like
spending time with the others. So Hunter back off? Yeah yeah, yeah?
So who gets who gets eliminated in this episode? The
guys who don't get a rose of this episode is Courtney, Josh,
and Andrew m So like, I I know who Andrew,
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I know who Josh and Andrew m r um, and
of course I know who Courtney is. But none of
them really played a huge role. And I think that
they were the obvious cuts this week. Yeah, and I
feel like James is definitely a cut next week. I
have a feeling that Hunter will be a cut next week. Uh, Aaron,
I think will be gone. Who's Who's Iceman? I say
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Iceman because we watched Top Gun this weekend? Um, who's
the guy who looks like Val Kilmer in the eighties?
I don't know Brendan, Yeah, Brendan, come on, Ben, please look,
I'm just sending you this picture of this guy, and
don't tell me that he doesn't look like he wants
(36:30):
to beat Tom Cruise in the air. I see it now. Yeah,
and he's still around somehow. Yeah, that guy's gone to
there's no way he sticks. I mean, like we haven't
heard anything from him. Yeah. The sad part is I'm
invested in this season and I when you said the
name Brendan, I was like, I don't. I don't know
who you're talking about. And that's it's not a good sign.
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Not because I'm an expert, but just because you think
we would know by now. Well, Ashley, before we move
on to the hot topics of the week, Uh so
far A to F, how are you grading Katie's performance
as a bachelorette? I think I give her an A
What about this season A to F? I feel like
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it's an A A minus. I still am very much
enjoying it. It's one of the very few It's like,
I have not looked at my phone. I've not been distracted.
I've been excited to watch episodes. I like the depth.
I like all the personalities we're getting to know. And
we're through hump week now, so now we start going down,
like into the more like intimate storylines. They're the people
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you know, we have hometowns coming up. We have fantasy
suits coming up, we have some we have the engagement
episode coming up. We this is starting to get like
to the like heart of the season, and I'm pumped
for it. I'm in I think Katie's in a. I
think the seasons in a. I've really enjoyed it and uh,
and it's been good. But like I said, before we
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start talking about hot topics, we do have something really
important to talk about, and that is a sneak peak
of the rest of the season that we get after
this episode. And actually, I know we can over analyze these,
I know we can look too far into him, but
this sneak peak gave me a lot of anxiety. It
makes me feel like things are not going to go
well or easy from here on out. I know. Wait,
(38:17):
I'm looking at our notes for the sneak peak, and
there's a couple of things that I didn't even pick
up on. Apparently Blake tells Katie he's not in love
right now. That's big um. Greg asked if he can leave.
I guess I misinterpreted that because when Greg said I
can I leave, I felt like he meant can I
(38:38):
leave the room or something right now, which would be
just as weird. If I was like, hey, can I leave,
like right now? That's something we would so say. That's
like something you would say to the producer if you're
like sitting around and you're like having like you know,
to do like group chat time, you're like, can I
can I go? Now? Good point. I guess that's true.
But so that could be taken out of context. Um,
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we do see more Justin that I think, uh, well,
we've seen thus far, Justin is your favorite with the
expressions I I think Justin is a highlight of the season.
I don't know. He doesn't say a lot, but my
own mind does he speak with his face? And then
I mean, you're you're skipping over something super important. We
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believe in the sneak peak that we're we We witness
Katie telling Mike P that the words I love you silly.
That's so silly. That's not to Mike P. Like, there's
no way you don't think that's Mike P. No, I
think that's totally to somebody else. I took it as
Mike P. They make it look like that. I don't know, Ash.
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I think there's a lot going on here. It's gonna
be a fantastic end of the season, and we're going
to continue to break down every episode as this season continues. Then, yeah,
we have to talk about who the last. But she
said that you're the last person I ever expected to
show up at my door. Um, who's that? I have
no clue. I think that's a guy from home. They
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always hint at that, and it never it never ends
up being anything. Like every season when I was the Bachelor,
they were hinting that, like some ex boyfriend was going
to show up, like multiple times, and he kind of
showed up a little bit, but I never met him. Like,
I don't know, what what do you say if somebody
from your past shows up, You're I mean, I would
(40:27):
think at that point you you've kind of moved on. Yeah,
I don't know. It doesn't really excite me as much
as like the people were getting to know. I would
be shocked if any outsider comes into a season like
this and makes that big of a disruption. But it
is gonna be a good into the season, There's no
doubt about it. Hey, let's take a break. We have
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hot topics talk about, and there's a there's a few
of them here. Uh, we'll back with almost from his
podcast It's Time for Bachelor headlines of this week, A
lot of them are focused around Katie season and the
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contestants on this season and Katie our Bachelorette. But to
start out the Bachelorettes, Blake Moyne's reveals what he said
in his initial d M to Katie Thurston. You guys,
there are so many F bombs in these quotes that like,
it's ridiculous. Uh, he goes, she came out of that
(41:29):
limo on Matt season with that vibrator, and I was like, yeah,
I like what she's about. But it's not the fact
that she had an effing vibrator. That's not what I
was like, Oh yeah, that's my girl. It's the fact
that she had the balls to have fun with it
and go with the flow. It was really a simple
reach out as far as the d M goes. It
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wasn't um, it wasn't like, hey, I'm into you know.
It was like, I effing love that you did that.
That was effing awesome. Good for you. And apparently he
felt very comfortable right away as soon as he showed
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up on the season. And speaking of F bombs, he said,
seeing what Katie was like in person and knowing that
we are very similar, I wasn't too nervous to say
f bombs and be a little raunchy and things like that. Yeah,
well it's romantic to say the least. Um. Yeah, just
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like I don't know. I didn't like that whole quote series.
I was just like, you're yeah, yeah, not by romantic.
Yeah there you go. Well, uh, big story this week
in Bachelor Nation about Bachelor contestants applying for the p
p P loan, the paycheck Protection program. This was on
TMZ released I think this article and actually I got
(42:57):
to miss him. I have very mixed feelings about this.
Uh well, so just in in all honesty, and I
was kind of waiting for it to come out. You know,
I applied for a p p P loan. That's so
interesting that you're being so honest because our accountant was like,
do you guys want to do this? Well, you have
to think and I'm not saying this is where I
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come into this whole conversation with very little judgment because
I don't know any of these Bachelor or Bachelor people's
financials or what they're doing with their lives. But you've
got to think I mean for me personally, I have
three restaurants, all of which opened up within a year
before the pandemic, and two coffee shops. So one of
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my coffee shops completely shut, like I closed the doors
on it. A huge loss to me personally into the company.
We couldn't keep it open, and we you know, eight
employees of ours no longer had a barista job because
of this, And so I applied for a p p
P loan because this we had to like in order
to keep our other coffee shop open and the restaurants open.
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We had like that's why what they're for. And so
I think there was a little bit of um. I
just don't think it was fair to like call everybody
out and be like, there's no way you should have
been doing this because you don't make a lot of
money being the bachelor or bachelor and you make a
good salary. I'm not saying it's a bad one. But
then if you do have like restaurants and you're invested
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in the hospitality, and the pandemic hits and everything closes
for three months and you're trying to keep your employees,
uh like having a job. You had to apply because
everything you were like was a financially and like awful
year for me. Um, Like everything was going like slipping away.
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Every everything I had ever put my money into or
my time into felt like it was disappearing. And so
I just I'm cautious to overreact to this story because
I know my situation. So you apply for when did
you get on? I did? I did, And I mean
we went through we went through the steps. I mean,
it wasn't hard to do when you show, hey, this
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is what's happening to me this year and we have
three employees and all of our businesses are closed. Like,
it didn't it didn't feel I mean it was morally
it felt like, yeah that you have to do this,
like you have to get something because I can't imagine
closing too generous coffee shops in the course of uh
(45:32):
due this pandemically we had to get help. Yeah, I
completely I completely agree with your feelings on it. Um.
We saw that it was Colton, Tassia, Dale, Ari, and Lauren.
They were the names that like were released last week,
which I don't know. I just I do feel like
it's just like kind of weird to like talk about
people's money decisions. Um, but Colton and Tasha both have
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you know, Tasia was hiring an employee, use the money
to pay for an employee that was unemployed before her,
and then Colton has hissistic fibrosis foundation and the funds
went there. You just gotta be you know, I think
there's a lot to this. Now. I don't know everybody. Again,
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I don't know why everybody decided to do this, but
the p PP was meant to support and keep small
businesses specifically alive, and keep employees working and having some
type of salary during this time. If that's why these
contestants did it for that reason, then that they followed
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you know, what it was meant to do. Now, if
they're doing it for personal gains, then that's a different question,
right in a different conversation. But I just don't know that,
and I don't think there's enough evidence in the story
specifically to really point out why they did what they did.
I know people are assuming things, and maybe some of
the assumptions will be right, but I mean I was
(46:59):
kind of way eating. I was like, you know, what,
is my name gonna get thrown in here? And then
it's gonna be one more thing that like I'm just
like kind of sad about and I'm like, I don't
know what else we could have done, Like, I don't
know what I mean, yours was all about business, Like
yours was done in a business name, and you have
so many employees. Yeah, we are accountant asked if we
want to do it, Jared and I are like, I
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think we're good right now. But you know, I think
for each individual circumstance it's different. Good for you, I mean,
that's uh, you gotta think through those. But that story
did come out. It spread everywhere, and I know there's
a lot of like uh and and again some of
these people might have been doing it for the wrong reasons,
but um, there we go. Well, Uh, Colton Underwood comes
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out with a nude photo shoot this week, Ashley, what
was it about and what was going on? Um, it's
not like I don't know how to just like basically
like the photo shoot. If you want to know more
about it, go look at the pictures. They are very
easily found. You can see him he got he's got
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nothing on and he's got a leather jacket hide in
his bare crotch and he's showing off his abs. He's
gotten ear piercing. Um. There's even one where he's like
taking a drag from a cigar and winking seductively at
the camera. I smoke a lot of cigars naked. Yeah,
Well now I feel like you do smoke cigars shirtless
(48:26):
a lot shirtless. Yeah, but it feels dangerous for other reasons.
Ashes are just flying everywhere. Um, anyway, you can definitely
tell that it was like this is like Colton's like
I'm gonna have fun. Uh, just just like a part
of coming out, Like I feel sexy and like securing
my own skin, so I'm gonna let it show. Ah. Well,
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you can go google those pictures if you would like. Well,
that's all the headlines we have for this week. Uh.
It has been uh a really great season so far.
We've really enjoyed Break Vince down with all of you.
So again, we hope you have an incredible, incredible week
in front of you and enjoy the time. And before
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we go, we just want to give a quick little
shout out to somebody's been on the podcast multiple times.
John Paul Jones introduces new girlfriend Katie to the scene.
Congratulations with both of them. Another relationship is forming in
Bachelor Nation. Well, hey, with that, I've been Ben, I've
been Ashley. Bye, guys. Followed the Benn and Ashley I
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This is the Benn and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
with her radio. Welcome to the almost Famous podcast. We're
here for another episode. Ashley I Connetti, the wonderful, the talented,
the spunky. How is your How was your holiday weekend?
It was wonderful. Um. We just went over to her
(00:21):
friend's house. She had the most cute Instagram where these spread. Um.
It was in Arlington, Virginia, so we got to see
the fireworks from her rooftop, which was really cool. And
I mean, like the National fireworks, which is really awesome.
I've only seen them a couple of times, even though,
like I've grown up in Virginia, I've only gone to
see the DC fireworks couple of times because you know,
(00:41):
it's crazy, um to get in there and all that, um,
and like, other than that, pretty relaxing laid by the pool.
Lois floated out on the pool with Jared, which is
really cute. But that's about it. What about you? Well,
I am back in Indie, Sienna on the lake Whyno Lake,
(01:01):
Indiana represent I'm here right now looking out at the lake. Uh.
And I just came off the boat to do this podcast.
So that's something. Now, Jessica's family, uh came in, so
her parents both came in. They did that last year
and then uh, Jessica's here still they left and my
(01:22):
parents so we did three full days agether it was
a blast, like we had an amazing time. Why not.
No lake really does Fourth of July in a big way.
It's kind of so a lot of families around here
call it like their designated Christmas um because kids go
off and do different things. They don't want to come
back to Indiana for the winner. And so this is
(01:42):
where like families get together, they do their big dinners.
They do like I'll like the kids come in. Here's
the crazy part and this has no I really don't
want this to come off judgmental, um, but I'm a
huge fan of fireworks. I grew up. I just love
lighting of firework and see explodes, seeing the colors, seeing
what's gonna do. It's always a surprise. There's like just
(02:05):
a like a mystery to it and like a power
to It's it's a great thing right to do. I
really enjoy. I don't understand the idea of fireworks. So,
for example, our neighbor here in the lake, uh lives
a couple of houses down he bought ten thousand dollars
with the fireworks and an incredible show that he put on.
(02:28):
An incredible show. I mean it's beautiful and the whole
neighborhood gets together to the watch it. But I just
so it feels like professional fireworks, like when you go
to like somewhere that the town puts on. I mean, yeah,
you would never know or there firecracks. What's the worst
in firecrackers and fireworks? And like fireworks are the big ones,
then firecrackers are the little things you buy the stands. Yeah, yeah,
(02:48):
firecrackers are the things that like Jessica lights off, she's
allowed to buy fireworks in Indiana. Oh yeah, we do.
It depends on the stage. Yeah, it depends on the state.
Well we have. I mean the whole lake was full
of them at night, uh during the fourth So yes,
you can definitely buy him here. But nothing really says
like America like ten th dollars going up in flames
(03:10):
and like five minutes, you know, it just feels wild
and and every sort of the way. Now again there's
nothing like it's a really incredible thing to watch, but
then when you're done, you're like whoa like that. That
was just a lot of money up in the air,
Like it's just it's just a weird time. Okay, whatever,
(03:33):
whatever you want to spend your money on. I guess hey,
why not. Well, hey, it was a good holiday weekend.
The weather is nice in Indiana. But we did take
some time to sit down with all of you to
talk about this week's episode of the Bachelorette. It continues
to be a great season. Katie continues to be a
terrific bachelorette. We're here to break it down for you
(03:55):
right now, but before we do, we want to wish
you all a great holiday weekend, a great week. But
we're gonna take a break and we'll come back with
almost same as podcasts. Alright, guys, it is time to
recap episode five of Katie season. Um. Alrighty, Well, this
(04:21):
is actually like a really simple step by step episode,
very classic. We had our one on one, we had
our group date, we had another one on one, and
we had a roast ceremony, and really there wasn't a
ton of drama. The biggest, you know, topic number one
is definitely Blake coming in. I liked the way that
they started out with Caitlin taking a walk and being like, so,
(04:43):
how was it when Nick came on? And just having
that relatability factor and having Caitlyn there for her that
made a lot of sense. I like that. And then
I liked the fact that Taitia came in and in
your kind of like previewed what was going to happen
to the guys by saying like I know this, I like,
I trust him, I hope, and and like I'm vouching
(05:04):
for him here. So like, I think that was kind
of her way of saying, like, let's not make this
so dramatic right now. Um, and the guys really like
they didn't I didn't really freak out. I think they
kind of obeyed what she wanted. Yeah, I found this
is an interesting part. And tell me if I'm crazy, Ashley,
but Blake walks in, you would expect the guys to
(05:28):
be shocked, every one of them to be shocked. They
were very prepared by what said. I think I think
they were very prepared. I don't think they were happy
about it, but this would be a moment, as like
a bachelorette and bachelor, that you're really seeing how like
you're judging how people react, you're kind of watching and
seeing Okay, who here seems like overly angry? Who see
here seems just like completely like jealous. Who here isn't
(05:51):
happy about it? Like nobody is happy that anybody else
is there, but they're handling it like that's This is
one of those controversial pivot points that we talked about
every season that I feel like she was probably watching
who hands like how did the people handle it? Now?
And we knew this was going to happen, and I'm
glad it did. I don't think it was good for
the guys, but for them him didn't get a one
on one before somebody else like that would have probably
(06:15):
disappointed me personally. If I was one of those guys,
I would have just been like a little bumped. Do
you remember what happened with Nick on Caitlin season when
did he get his first one on one? Well, we
it was a different story with Nick, because doesn't it
feel so much different a little bit? But we also
found out uh dirt, like when Nick came in. I
(06:35):
forget how exactly, so don't quiz me on it. But
I do remember knowing that Nick and Caitlin had talked
before and had probably seen each other, like within the
last couple of weeks, And so we knew that Nick
and Caitlin had a history of some kind. We didn't
know the extent, We didn't know how much they had talked,
but we knew they had some history when he came on,
(06:58):
and so it was less of a just one more
guy thing two more of oh my gosh, like he's
gonna walk in and sweep this thing away, like we're
all done, like they they were dating before the show.
This has all been one big set up. Now we
find out it wasn't, like, but that was going through
our minds at the time. That's what all the guys
behind the scenes were talking about, like, Hey, did we
just get totally like set up here? Now we obviously
(07:18):
didn't and they didn't play out like that. Yeah, So
Blake gets the one on one and I think it
went exactly how we assumed it would go, really well.
You know, they proved to be pretty compatible. And she
said like she can imagine walking out of this thing
with him, which is pretty huge. Uh, And I kind
(07:41):
of I can see it too, Like I think like
Blake went to top three, top yeah, top three in
that day. Can we talk about something for a moment
that wasn't brought up, and it could just be my insecurities.
But I had watched two full seasons. It's soon as
I started to get asked, Hey, do you are you
(08:02):
interesting to be on the show? I started to watch
as many season as I could on television. And you
and I have both admitted that when you show up
and you meet the bachelor or Bachelor, they, in a
lot of ways feel like a celebrity. You're nervous, You've
seen him on TV, you've seen him on the cover
of magazines, and now you're there in front of them,
and for a short pid period of time, you're very
(08:23):
kind of star struck in a way. Is there any
of that going on with Katie meeting Blake? Like she
had watched him on television, she had watched his season.
Now she has already been on but then you know,
he kind of comes in and she already knows a
bit about him. Like, is there an infatuation with Oh,
I've watched you on TV? Could that be playing into this? Yeah? No,
(08:45):
Like I get it, but like Katie is also on
the same level, if not higher, Like people are going
to make it like that like she's the star here,
so like, does the star really get star struck by
the supporting character? Yes, I don't think. Actually I've told
you this. I was star struck when I met you
the you know you know this, like when I met you,
you know this the first time I met you as
(09:08):
and I was already announced announced the bachelor, or at
least I was knowing I was going to become the bachelor,
like they had already kind of told me. I met
you the first time. I remember that day, and I go,
I've watched her on television, like I know this human
like it's it's just a thing. Like I don't think
there's like a hierarchy here. Okay, okay, so two different
ways of seeing it. I don't know that that's really
(09:31):
playing a role here. I think there is a benefit
to their being, um there being like a familiar rare
how do you say that word of familiarity? Yeah, just
kind of role the RNL and then just keep going,
yeah with this person like you feel like you already
kind of know them, which I feel like makes conversation
(09:52):
easier because you can kind of use what you already
know fair enough. And and and there there was just like, uh,
I felt like there was a on this to their
first interaction. I felt like there's a calmness to this date.
I think they both knew how to date on this show.
I think that has an advantage like that. That's also
what I mean when it's a familiarity, just like an
(10:13):
ease the experience. Yeah, how far did he go on
Tatious season? Pretty far? Um? I think he was top
five Okay, which is wild. It's funny He's like, I
haven't felt this way in the longest time, Like, so,
you didn't feel that way about Tasia and it didn't
feel that way about Claire even though you said it. Um.
I think it's also kind of crazy that it keeps
(10:33):
saying that he was like dumb this twice before. It's like, no,
he didn't. He was on a season where the league
dropped out. He was on one season before not to
let's not make it seem like that. I do think,
I mean, from what I'm watching on television, I mean,
the biggest controversy with Blake is gonna be I mean,
I don't know what he's done in his personal life,
but it's gonna be, Oh, you're just out to date
the Bachelor. That's gonna be the thing that everybody's talking about. Now.
(10:56):
I don't really buy that, because I think this is
a a good opportunity. I think the bachelorets are always
incredible people, and so of course you would want to
date them, and if you get the opportunity, like, go
for it, your single, give it a shot. I'm not
I just also and I'm assuming this. I don't know
Blake at all. Never met him. Uh he we did interview. Okay,
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well that's it. But I feel like he's a hopeless romantic.
I feel like he is. It's easy for him to
become very interested in somebody because he wants to like
fall him up? Now does he Is he going to?
I don't know, but I think that's why you probably
see him going, oh my gosh, I really like Claire,
Oh my gosh, I really like Tasia, Oh my gosh,
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I really like like Katie. Like I don't think that's
hard for him to get to. I think he's probably
in it most times when he meets somebody as incredible
as those three. Yeah, and also, let's remind everyone that
he also slid into Claire's d MS before the show.
He's a little d M slider. There you go. So
was I uh, he was actually eliminated seventh seventh okay, seventh, okay? Well, um,
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anything else to say about that? Well, I think we
should point out that Katie did bring up her sexual
assault history again one on one with Blake. She brought
it up during the date with the group date with
Nick and I and it's I think it's just important
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that like all these guys know about that. And I
think what an incredible thing for Katie to do. To know,
it's bringing awareness to something that so many have to
suffer through and are healing from, and she took this
opportunity to do it. And I mean, I think the
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amount of conversations around it, and then also the promotion
of RAIN and some of the organizations that people can
support who are going out to help, is really incredible.
I mean, I she falls in love. I hope this
is a great love story if all, If that doesn't
work out, A huge win for this season and for
Katie's kind of legacy on The Bachelor is to bring
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these conversations to a head so that we can start
having him again. I think that the fact that she
brings up that she wanted to pursue a relationship, and
she went after that guy so intensely afterwards is a
part of the story that is probably relatable to a
lot of women, and that's something that nobody talks about,
(13:32):
just so that she like had a different sense about
the experience. But well, she's uh and and you know,
I've really enjoyed watching Katie. I think the way she's
navigated this thing, uh, not perfectly, but who does. But
just it's been really I'm really engaged in her season,
uh and kind of how she's navigating it and how
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she's dealing with these conversations and what she's bringing the light, uh,
and who she's choosing and who she's not choosing. So
Katie's done extremely well. And then you know, we see
the end of this day. Are you shocked at all
that Blake gets a rose? I'm assuming not. And you
just made this comment you think he's jumped up to
top three? Wow? Yeah, because I think like top I
(14:16):
think top four is Greg Andrew, Blake and Michael. Yeah.
I agree with that. I think Connor b was up
there for me. He's definitely dropped down, Yeah, dropped. I
don't think she's not attracted to him. Yeah, I think
he's dropped. He had a great first impression, but we've
kind of seen how that first impression can fade and
(14:39):
and so I don't I'm with you. I'm looking at
these names right now. Season there is it happens, uh,
and so we've gotten to see these other stories kind
of be highlighted. Well, then we have a group date.
After Blake gets to Rose, we have a group date
and it has Greg, Courtney, Aaron, Mike, p Michael, a Andrew,
m Josh, Justin, Brendan j Names, Connor, Betray and Hunter.
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That is a big group of people. How do we
have this many people still left? Well, a lot of
them we don't really know. And I do feel like
this Rose ceremony cut out a lot of the guys
that we didn't have any sort of attachment to. Uh.
This was one of those athletic group dates which we
all you know, someone always gets hurt. The big takeaway
(15:23):
here during this is that Hunter is like crazy aggressive
and he thinks he's impressing Katie by like tackling these
guys and annoying and annoying them. And then Michael gets
hurt and Katie calls the game, and she brought up
the point that if Michael had to go to the hospital,
(15:45):
he would have been debubbled, right, he would have been
taken out of the bubble and then not allowed back in.
How crazy is that. I didn't think about that at all?
How I mean, Yeah, A whole new element to this
experience is like you can't get hurt, which surprises me
that the show is so willing to put. Mean, We've
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had a couple of dates so far that people definitely
could have got hurt at. Like, I'm shocked that somebody
hasn't got seriously injured at him wrestling. Uh this, I mean,
You've grown humans going full speed at each other, some
to like destroy the other person. Like, I mean, I'm
surprised the show is taking that risk, but I guess
it does add a dramatic element. But if Michael would
(16:28):
have gone home, I honestly think Bachelor Nation just completely
like erupts like that they are so angry he is
he has to if he's not a kiddie, he has
to be considered for the next Bachelor. I need to
watch him. Everything stops, everything, everything when he's on screen.
I'm like, Okay, this is we gotta focus in. He's
(16:51):
so captivating and just the sweetest And that was another
like takeaway from this this group day is that he
kind of reveals to all the guys he can find
been in a few earlier in the season that he's
a widow. And the emotional reaction from these guys Greg
really really really hit him. Started crying. Um, They're just
(17:14):
like he's so happy, He's like so positive, and you
would just never know that this guy was going he
went through this and I love him. I don't know,
he's just Oh, he's just the sweetest thing. And yeah,
do you think here's my question though, so we obviously
see Wells Franco as the commentators for this date, do
(17:36):
you think Franco just like quarantines for the whole entire season? Like,
is he on set the whole time? Because this is
a couple of times we've seen him, not just this season,
but like he pops up, you know, he does a
couple host a couple of dates. Do you think he's
just hanging out? No, it'sn't only been one day this season,
well sure, but two completely different dates. I just wonder,
(17:58):
I mean, if he pops up again this season, we
gotta get him on the podcast. I gotta ask him
how much time he spends on set. I mean it
has to be weeks. Well, it wasn't it last year?
Then he dressed up people. Yeah, so I'm just wanting
if he comes up again. Yeah, he's on call. Why not?
I mean, he shows up. They did great wells and
Franco hilarious. Uh, they do really well together. I'm with
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the ash. I don't have a problem with this date
as much as I do like just straight out wrestling. Uh.
I would have probably semi enjoyed being a part of
this date, just from the athletic side of it and
the competition side. But there's really no good way. The
worst part of this date is there's just no good
(18:42):
way to like show your true character. I mean, I
guess kind of hunter did I guess? I guess that
was a good Yeah, we saw his true character, but
it's just hard. You kind of either get lost in
the mix and it just doesn't feel like the dates
that we love. I would definitely rather have the Nick
File like sit down talk than I with this one.
Same same and even last week's scavenger Hunt or whatever
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that was, I don't understand I mean, I don't understand
Katie's thing with Hunter. I don't get I mean, like
it seems like he you know, she looked at pictures
of him with with his kids and she was like,
oh my god, like there's such a light around you,
like you look like a whole different person. But like,
(19:25):
I don't feel any chemistry there for her to give
him the group date. Rose is interesting. How do you
how did you deal with group date Roses, because like,
obviously we know that the same person is not going
to get it every single week. You know, it's it's
at all an alternating thing. You know. They were talking
about how important that group date was and how it
was like a first impression Rose. I'm like, no, one isn't, guys,
(19:46):
it's whoever stood out this week, who didn't stand out
the week before. I'll give you a little secret, okay. Uh,
how I gave group group date Roses was this, Uh,
there was obviously an attraction. Um there was like it
wasn't just hey, I'm gonna give this to this person
for no reason, but there was a little strategy to
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it because I wanted One of my biggest fears was
that everybody would leave at some point because they just
felt like, oh, this isn't worth it for me anymore.
Like he's not into it, he's gone, So I tried
to spread him out. Yeah, that's a better way to
say it. Yes, not Roses. That mean they mean something,
(20:29):
for sure, I think. But I think it's more like
you stood out to me today type of rather than
like a you stand out to me amongst the crowd
all the time, Rose, I would not look too far.
If I'm a viewer, I'm not watching this going he
got the group day Rose. That means he's like top three.
It's just saying, hey, this week, she knows she wants
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to know a little bit more about him, so he
can be around next week. Like there's not a question
that she wants him here and and so I'm gonna
give this to him just so like he knows that.
Like I'm still into it. Like that that's all I
see in it. There's not there is not at all
the first impression Rose type weight to it. And uh,
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but I will say on Caitlyns season, when I got
a group, they rose and I can't remember how many, God,
I think maybe two. Uh, it's a good feeling like
it definitely like energizes you. It gives you a little confidence,
it validates kind of what you're feeling and thinking. And
so I think they're impactful. I just don't think they're
extremely meaningful. Well, actually, I want to hear your thoughts
(21:35):
because I know you're You and I both are big
fans of Michael uh and we're both fans of of
Katie and Michael's relationship. Well, Michael's moment with Katie on
this group date is is something spectacular. I mean, when
she she's caring for him, but the comment that he
makes such a smooth line. I don't see him as
(21:57):
a smooth dude, but such a smooth line like can
I kiss you? And and she comes back with an
incredible response, you can kiss me anytime. You give me
all you want, all you want, you can kiss me
all you want. I mean, what a moment, What a
moment for their relationship. It's so cute. Who would have thought.
(22:17):
I didn't think at all. The first week. I was like,
now it's a little nerd, that's why we love him.
But that was that was a big moment for me.
I was like, this guy is definitely up there, like
he's not I mean I've always known he's top three,
but like this could be something special, Like she is
into it, he's getting more study as time goes on,
to like he's getting hotter. Isn't that weird how that happens?
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We just talked about like first impression roses kind of
fade or first impressions like kind of disappear, uh for
whatever reason. But the one that kind of sneaks up
on you and the first couple of weeks like I
don't really notice him, and then all of a sudden,
like or her, and you're like, oh my gosh, like
they're like they are something. It's kind of Michael story.
I know. Another thing just to mention about, Well, I
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guess it is a group date. Aaron is so annoying.
Is he getting there for you? Yes? Every week he's
like I don't like that guy. Something about that guy.
I don't like that guy. It's like you have said
that about five different people and you change it and
you have a different person you don't like every single week.
That's all I have to say about that. All right. Um,
(23:26):
as far as the group date, Oh Greg, we gotta
talk about Greg. I guess um, Greg's like I'm gonna
after seeing Michael and like and Michael talking about how
each moment of your life, like it is so precious
and you can't waste any time. He's like, Okay, I'm
really gonna step it up with Katie tonight. I don't
(23:46):
know that he really steps it up, but she tells
him that he looks like a little lost puppy dog
and has like a resting sad face, and Greg just
says that, you know, he just like he's just so
crazy about her, um, and he's going to keep waiting
because she's worth it. Um. And Katie said that one
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of her biggest fears is that Greg would want to leave.
So I wonder if it's a little foreshadowing because we've
seen the super tease that somebody leaves. UM. My actual
gut instinct is that it's Michael, because we see him
on face time with this kid and he's like the
kid says the saddest thing, something like sometimes I think
(24:32):
you don't like want to see me anymore or something
like that. UM, But I guess I possibly it could
be Greg also um leaving. I don't know, it's yeah,
it's somebody big, Like somebody big makes that move. Out
in it. I think a lot of what we're seeing
the teases come from that moment where she's like I'm done,
(24:56):
Like this doesn't feel worth it, this isn't you know? Yeah,
I get has to come from there. Well, actually before
we move on here. Uh, there's two people that I'm
surprised we don't know more. I'm not shocked about one.
James is one of these people that James exactly the
guy in the box. I thought we would see more
(25:16):
of him, but we don't know a lot about him.
The second one, though, is one that I really thought
was going to be a standout this season. And I'm
a little bit sad and that we haven't learned more
about him. I think we learned some, but it's Courtney
with a cue. We don't know a lot about Courtney yet,
and I feel he's gone now exactly. And that's shocking
(25:40):
because he he, like Week one was I believe, like
one of our favorites. Like what happens. He's cool, he's
got a cool, suave vibe. Um. I do think that
he got a little bit into the drama. Um. But
other than that, like, I just think there was like
a lack of chemistry there and who was the other
person you said, James James. James's hair is too slicked. Yeah,
(26:03):
if he had some like if his hair is a
little less hard, I would think he'd be getting more
screen time. Yeah, I haven't washed my hair, and I
don't know over a week at this point. Um, I've
been on the lake. I want to see James in
the lake like. I want to see him a week
without washing his hair, no slick back like hat on,
and just see see how the vibe changes. Yeah, I agree.
(26:27):
I think I really like him. I think he's cool.
I just I think that he looks like a little
bit too swaved up too too often. I don't know
if that's Katie style either. She kind of exactly. No,
she likes a blake. She likes a guy who looks
like he's like working in the National Park. That's right,
good for her. Well, hey, we have a second one
(26:47):
on one, but before we get there, let's take another break.
We come back or to break down the second one
on one of this episode. It's something special. We got
to talk about it, and we're back with almost from
his podcast. All right, Hey, Ben, do you know what
(27:09):
really stressed me out about this date? So what I
always like this moment, what is it? It started when
it was dark, and that always freaks me out because
that means they're going to be up to like four
in the morning. I mean, come on, I mean, how
many people out there would enjoy dating at starting at
(27:29):
like what? I mean? How to be probably? I mean this, yeah,
nine or ten o'clock, like when the sun went down
it was dark, and knowing that the dates like one
on ones on the Bachelor, like non Bachelor Paradise, but
on the Bachelor Bachelor I like always last at least
six hours. So that means, like at nine, you're starting
something that you know is going to last six hours
(27:51):
and you have to be totally on and your very
best self, and you like they walked into that dinner portion.
I'm not even kidding you. It must have been two
I am. I mean just rough, just rough. This is
why this is a show for young people. Okay, so
what do you think. Where's Andrew and Katie's chemistry at um?
(28:13):
I think that she really likes I feel like there's
not a lot of chemistry. I'll say that I think
she really likes him, but I don't know if there's
like a magic factor here. I like the date. This
is a kind of date that you all know that
I like because you know, there's envelopes that have fun
little questions, you get a little get to know little
nuances about the person, and then they like smash the
(28:35):
hearts and there was like deeper conversation topics. I love
that stuff because The Bachelor, like we said it is
a zillion times on this podcast in the past four years.
But like when you're sitting there and it's like dead silent,
like you have no background music, no background speaking, it's
not like a regular date, it can be like really
hard to just like grab conversation topics and for not
(28:59):
to seem super and um. So I think that when
they give them little envelopes like this, it really helps
ease things. And again we get to know more about
the contestant and their their chemistry. I just don't I
just don't know whether like there's like this hotness between
them that like she had obviously with Blake on that
(29:21):
one on one. Yeah, but here's the thing that we
have to bring up. But I like Andrew a lot. Well,
we like Andrew and he's he's a great like from
what we watch and tell me he's a great dude.
And typically this is the week or next week that
we see the one on one of somebody who goes
(29:42):
either really far or ends up with her with him
or her at the end. I mean four and five, Yeah,
this is the first one on one like that's I mean,
they usually save kind of the favorite right for that
like ending storyline where all of a sudden Week four
and five they erupt and kind of finished strong and
we get really invested in their story. But here's what
(30:05):
I'll say is, I was thinking this is going to
happen with Andrew this week, and I didn't feel like
it erupted. Like I don't feel like there's storyline is
one that I'm like super involved in. I was expecting
them more of a chemistry than what I felt I saw.
Does that make sense, Yes, he's the guy heat to
(30:26):
me in my head, he's the top four guy who
gets really far because he makes a lot of sense.
They have a lot of similarities, especially with their parents.
You know, they both come from like their parents both
didn't have the happiest of marriages. Andrew talks a lot
about how his dad wasn't that present and he wants
to be the exact opposite of that when he's older,
(30:46):
which I think is you know, every girl loves hearing
about how the guy projects to be a father one day,
right and the so yeah, Like I think there's like
a lot of similarities in the way of that, in
their background, in the way that they see their futures.
I just think that he's like the top four guy
that like she wants to just love so much, but
(31:07):
like the passion isn't there as it is with a
couple others. We'll see, maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Who knows, you might not be. And I mean we
do see some really good conversations come out of this
where they aren't afraid to dive deep and they aren't
afraid to laugh. But they also do start to have
conversations for the future. Uh you know, Andrew shares about
(31:28):
his concerns because in the past relationships, somebody said they
were concerned about having uh A mixed children and Katie,
and Katie sits there with that and supports and here's
and so you do see these conversations happening where they
are talking about like what does the future look like?
And you know, where what could we become if this
(31:51):
was us at the end. And so as much as
we're not feeling maybe the chemistry, what I am seeing
is they've had throughout this whole process some of the
most important conversations. Uh, that can prep him for the future.
So maybe we shall see, we shall see. There's that
one clip at the end of the Supertees that they
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used multiple times where she she yells Andrew and then
she runs into his arms as if he was departing,
and then she just had to say one last goodbye. Again,
maybe I'm over analyzing. It's always the most fun of
this anyways. Shall we speak about the rose ceremony? Yeah,
this is, uh, this is the rose ceremony that I
(32:35):
always say. Week four, week five is when I started
get invested in the show again. And I'm back now
because we're starting to get rid of a couple more
guys that we haven't gotten the note too well, and
that haven't been a huge part of the storyline. But
the rose ceremony just did it start with the rose
being passed out? It started with Katie's entrance into the evening. Yeah,
(32:56):
and she looked awesome, that red dress with like the chains.
I think all the guys were very into that. I
think the biggest storyline here was the Hunter pulls Katie
aside for chat even though he has a rose, which
we see this all the time. When I was in
the house, I wasn't sure how I feel about it.
(33:16):
I still kind of torn about it. I still feel
like this is the kind of process where you have
to take advantage of all the time that you can get.
Do you are you supposed to look out for others?
I don't really know, um. But then and at the
same time, while I say that, I do feel like
those people who have roses going to the rose ceremony
(33:36):
should at least give like the more time, um and
the earlier time slots to people who don't who don't
have one. What do you think I mean? I'm it
doesn't really bother me either way. Yeah, me neither. I
don't have like strong feelings, but like I could see
both sides. But actually tell me this, listeners, tell me this,
(33:58):
At what point in any season that you've watched in
the twenty years that this show has been going that
when there is the take too much time guy or girl,
it's ever ended well for them? Like, it's not like
that is the start of a storyline for Hunter that
will just continue to get worse, I think the next
few weeks. And the reason I say that, the reason
(34:20):
I I hint to that, is because I cannot remember
one man or one woman on this show who has
been hey, I have a Rose, but I'm going to
take more time than necessary and it's ended well for
them long term. It's a good point. That's a really
good point. Uh Yeah, Like he brings her over to
the telescope and then he also wants to have like
(34:40):
couch time with her, And even though he's had the
telescope time and the couch time, he still tells James
to back away. And I'm like, no, it would have
been way more attractive if you're like, yeah, dude, you
go go for it. And does Katie seem that into
it at this point, She's not that into it. She
thinks she wanted to talk to James because she even
(35:02):
said like, I appreciate you trying to come over and
grab me. Yeah. So at this point, I feel like,
as a viewer, I'm watching this going hilt and think
Katie is even if she gave the group date Rose,
I think she's starting to feel like wait, there's something. Yeah.
She even said you have a rose, so you should
feel good. Like, give me a break here. I have
(35:23):
a lot of people to meet, and as much as
I love spending time with you, I also really like
spending time with the others. So Hunter back off? Yeah yeah, yeah?
So who gets who gets eliminated in this episode? The
guys who don't get a rose of this episode is Courtney, Josh,
and Andrew m So like, I I know who Andrew,
(35:46):
I know who Josh and Andrew m r um, and
of course I know who Courtney is. But none of
them really played a huge role. And I think that
they were the obvious cuts this week. Yeah, and I
feel like James is definitely a cut next week. I
have a feeling that Hunter will be a cut next week. Uh, Aaron,
I think will be gone. Who's Who's Iceman? I say
(36:09):
Iceman because we watched Top Gun this weekend? Um, who's
the guy who looks like Val Kilmer in the eighties?
I don't know Brendan, Yeah, Brendan, come on, Ben, please look,
I'm just sending you this picture of this guy, and
don't tell me that he doesn't look like he wants
(36:30):
to beat Tom Cruise in the air. I see it now. Yeah,
and he's still around somehow. Yeah, that guy's gone to
there's no way he sticks. I mean, like we haven't
heard anything from him. Yeah. The sad part is I'm
invested in this season and I when you said the
name Brendan, I was like, I don't. I don't know
who you're talking about. And that's it's not a good sign.
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Not because I'm an expert, but just because you think
we would know by now. Well, Ashley, before we move
on to the hot topics of the week, Uh so
far A to F, how are you grading Katie's performance
as a bachelorette? I think I give her an A
What about this season A to F? I feel like
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it's an A A minus. I still am very much
enjoying it. It's one of the very few It's like,
I have not looked at my phone. I've not been distracted.
I've been excited to watch episodes. I like the depth.
I like all the personalities we're getting to know. And
we're through hump week now, so now we start going down,
like into the more like intimate storylines. They're the people
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you know, we have hometowns coming up. We have fantasy
suits coming up, we have some we have the engagement
episode coming up. We this is starting to get like
to the like heart of the season, and I'm pumped
for it. I'm in I think Katie's in a. I
think the seasons in a. I've really enjoyed it and uh,
and it's been good. But like I said, before we
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start talking about hot topics, we do have something really
important to talk about, and that is a sneak peak
of the rest of the season that we get after
this episode. And actually, I know we can over analyze these,
I know we can look too far into him, but
this sneak peak gave me a lot of anxiety. It
makes me feel like things are not going to go
well or easy from here on out. I know. Wait,
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I'm looking at our notes for the sneak peak, and
there's a couple of things that I didn't even pick
up on. Apparently Blake tells Katie he's not in love
right now. That's big um. Greg asked if he can leave.
I guess I misinterpreted that because when Greg said I
can I leave, I felt like he meant can I
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leave the room or something right now, which would be
just as weird. If I was like, hey, can I leave,
like right now? That's something we would so say. That's
like something you would say to the producer if you're
like sitting around and you're like having like you know,
to do like group chat time, you're like, can I
can I go? Now? Good point. I guess that's true.
But so that could be taken out of context. Um,
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we do see more Justin that I think, uh, well,
we've seen thus far, Justin is your favorite with the
expressions I I think Justin is a highlight of the season.
I don't know. He doesn't say a lot, but my
own mind does he speak with his face? And then
I mean, you're you're skipping over something super important. We
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believe in the sneak peak that we're we We witness
Katie telling Mike P that the words I love you silly.
That's so silly. That's not to Mike P. Like, there's
no way you don't think that's Mike P. No, I
think that's totally to somebody else. I took it as
Mike P. They make it look like that. I don't know, Ash.
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I think there's a lot going on here. It's gonna
be a fantastic end of the season, and we're going
to continue to break down every episode as this season continues. Then, yeah,
we have to talk about who the last. But she
said that you're the last person I ever expected to
show up at my door. Um, who's that? I have
no clue. I think that's a guy from home. They
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always hint at that, and it never it never ends
up being anything. Like every season when I was the Bachelor,
they were hinting that, like some ex boyfriend was going
to show up, like multiple times, and he kind of
showed up a little bit, but I never met him. Like,
I don't know, what what do you say if somebody
from your past shows up, You're I mean, I would
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think at that point you you've kind of moved on. Yeah,
I don't know. It doesn't really excite me as much
as like the people were getting to know. I would
be shocked if any outsider comes into a season like
this and makes that big of a disruption. But it
is gonna be a good into the season, There's no
doubt about it. Hey, let's take a break. We have
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hot topics talk about, and there's a there's a few
of them here. Uh, we'll back with almost from his
podcast It's Time for Bachelor headlines of this week, A
lot of them are focused around Katie season and the
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contestants on this season and Katie our Bachelorette. But to
start out the Bachelorettes, Blake Moyne's reveals what he said
in his initial d M to Katie Thurston. You guys,
there are so many F bombs in these quotes that like,
it's ridiculous. Uh, he goes, she came out of that
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limo on Matt season with that vibrator, and I was like, yeah,
I like what she's about. But it's not the fact
that she had an effing vibrator. That's not what I
was like, Oh yeah, that's my girl. It's the fact
that she had the balls to have fun with it
and go with the flow. It was really a simple
reach out as far as the d M goes. It
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wasn't um, it wasn't like, hey, I'm into you know.
It was like, I effing love that you did that.
That was effing awesome. Good for you. And apparently he
felt very comfortable right away as soon as he showed
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up on the season. And speaking of F bombs, he said,
seeing what Katie was like in person and knowing that
we are very similar, I wasn't too nervous to say
f bombs and be a little raunchy and things like that. Yeah,
well it's romantic to say the least. Um. Yeah, just
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like I don't know. I didn't like that whole quote series.
I was just like, you're yeah, yeah, not by romantic.
Yeah there you go. Well, uh, big story this week
in Bachelor Nation about Bachelor contestants applying for the p
p P loan, the paycheck Protection program. This was on
TMZ released I think this article and actually I got
(42:57):
to miss him. I have very mixed feelings about this.
Uh well, so just in in all honesty, and I
was kind of waiting for it to come out. You know,
I applied for a p p P loan. That's so
interesting that you're being so honest because our accountant was like,
do you guys want to do this? Well, you have
to think and I'm not saying this is where I
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come into this whole conversation with very little judgment because
I don't know any of these Bachelor or Bachelor people's
financials or what they're doing with their lives. But you've
got to think I mean for me personally, I have
three restaurants, all of which opened up within a year
before the pandemic, and two coffee shops. So one of
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my coffee shops completely shut, like I closed the doors
on it. A huge loss to me personally into the company.
We couldn't keep it open, and we you know, eight
employees of ours no longer had a barista job because
of this, And so I applied for a p p
P loan because this we had to like in order
to keep our other coffee shop open and the restaurants open.
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We had like that's why what they're for. And so
I think there was a little bit of um. I
just don't think it was fair to like call everybody
out and be like, there's no way you should have
been doing this because you don't make a lot of
money being the bachelor or bachelor and you make a
good salary. I'm not saying it's a bad one. But
then if you do have like restaurants and you're invested
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in the hospitality, and the pandemic hits and everything closes
for three months and you're trying to keep your employees,
uh like having a job. You had to apply because
everything you were like was a financially and like awful
year for me. Um, Like everything was going like slipping away.
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Every everything I had ever put my money into or
my time into felt like it was disappearing. And so
I just I'm cautious to overreact to this story because
I know my situation. So you apply for when did
you get on? I did? I did, And I mean
we went through we went through the steps. I mean,
it wasn't hard to do when you show, hey, this
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is what's happening to me this year and we have
three employees and all of our businesses are closed. Like,
it didn't it didn't feel I mean it was morally
it felt like, yeah that you have to do this,
like you have to get something because I can't imagine
closing too generous coffee shops in the course of uh
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due this pandemically we had to get help. Yeah, I
completely I completely agree with your feelings on it. Um.
We saw that it was Colton, Tassia, Dale, Ari, and Lauren.
They were the names that like were released last week,
which I don't know. I just I do feel like
it's just like kind of weird to like talk about
people's money decisions. Um, but Colton and Tasha both have
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you know, Tasia was hiring an employee, use the money
to pay for an employee that was unemployed before her,
and then Colton has hissistic fibrosis foundation and the funds
went there. You just gotta be you know, I think
there's a lot to this. Now. I don't know everybody. Again,
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I don't know why everybody decided to do this, but
the p PP was meant to support and keep small
businesses specifically alive, and keep employees working and having some
type of salary during this time. If that's why these
contestants did it for that reason, then that they followed
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you know, what it was meant to do. Now, if
they're doing it for personal gains, then that's a different question,
right in a different conversation. But I just don't know that,
and I don't think there's enough evidence in the story
specifically to really point out why they did what they did.
I know people are assuming things, and maybe some of
the assumptions will be right, but I mean I was
(46:59):
kind of way eating. I was like, you know, what,
is my name gonna get thrown in here? And then
it's gonna be one more thing that like I'm just
like kind of sad about and I'm like, I don't
know what else we could have done, Like, I don't
know what I mean, yours was all about business, Like
yours was done in a business name, and you have
so many employees. Yeah, we are accountant asked if we
want to do it, Jared and I are like, I
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think we're good right now. But you know, I think
for each individual circumstance it's different. Good for you, I mean,
that's uh, you gotta think through those. But that story
did come out. It spread everywhere, and I know there's
a lot of like uh and and again some of
these people might have been doing it for the wrong reasons,
but um, there we go. Well, Uh, Colton Underwood comes
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out with a nude photo shoot this week, Ashley, what
was it about and what was going on? Um, it's
not like I don't know how to just like basically
like the photo shoot. If you want to know more
about it, go look at the pictures. They are very
easily found. You can see him he got he's got
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nothing on and he's got a leather jacket hide in
his bare crotch and he's showing off his abs. He's
gotten ear piercing. Um. There's even one where he's like
taking a drag from a cigar and winking seductively at
the camera. I smoke a lot of cigars naked. Yeah,
Well now I feel like you do smoke cigars shirtless
(48:26):
a lot shirtless. Yeah, but it feels dangerous for other reasons.
Ashes are just flying everywhere. Um, anyway, you can definitely
tell that it was like this is like Colton's like
I'm gonna have fun. Uh, just just like a part
of coming out, Like I feel sexy and like securing
my own skin, so I'm gonna let it show. Ah. Well,
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you can go google those pictures if you would like. Well,
that's all the headlines we have for this week. Uh.
It has been uh a really great season so far.
We've really enjoyed Break Vince down with all of you.
So again, we hope you have an incredible, incredible week
in front of you and enjoy the time. And before
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we go, we just want to give a quick little
shout out to somebody's been on the podcast multiple times.
John Paul Jones introduces new girlfriend Katie to the scene.
Congratulations with both of them. Another relationship is forming in
Bachelor Nation. Well, hey, with that, I've been Ben, I've
been Ashley. Bye, guys. Followed the Benn and Ashley I
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