April 3, 2025 • 27 mins
Ariel Frenkel from Zach’s season intimidated us on The Bachelor, but Ben and Ashley are getting to know the REAL Ariel and get an update on her dating life!
Find out the reason she signed up for The Bachelor in the first place, and she reveals the Bachelor Nation superstars she’d be open to dating.
Plus… we have to ask about Paradise!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we
have a special guest who I never met before, but
she did an interview with Ben back during her season.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It is Ariel Frankl. Hello and welcome to the show.
We're so glad to have you back.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
I'm so excited to be back.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
We interview people all the time on the show, Aerol.
Why do you make me nervous?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I know she I may have put makeup on early
because Ariel.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Is coming on, do I Yes, Yeah, make.
Speaker 6 (00:35):
Me nervous, like maybe intimidation.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Maybe it's like I think when the first time we spoke,
like we had a good conversation, but I feel like
you were like there was a like something defensive going
on at time, so you were like protecting a little
bit and you were like questioning me back and I was.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Like, oh was I I don't.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Know if I just in my mind, yes, preparing for this,
I was nervous and I never get nervous.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
But we're so happy you're here.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I'm so happy to be here. Eric. A lot of
people say that to me.
Speaker 7 (01:08):
People think that I'm both people that know me think
this is really funny that people categorize me as mysterious
or intimidating. But I think I just sometimes say less.
It depends on how much much I've had, and right
now I've had a.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Lot, so okay, so let me say this on Zoom
right now, you're coming across a little less intimidating than
I thought you were on the show on Zach season.
If you guys don't remember, she was the third place
on Zach season and you were definitely like the sexy
girl like everybody. I think we called you like sex
panther part two.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
That's like I'll take it that.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, Like you've got that like sultry voice and like
just the dark features. You're just like meeah right, and
and you still are like that right now on Zoom,
but I have smiling You're like brighter and little less mysterious.
But you also present yourself very sultry on Instagram. I
(02:01):
feel like, yeah, you document your dating life in a very.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, I don't want to use the word more serious again,
but like kind of cryptic way.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
I am kind of cryptic online sometimes well I feel
like Instagram is more cryptic and TikTok is more open.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Okay, and I do.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
I feel like the two platforms are very different. So
on TikTok, I'm a little.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Bit more like playful and don't really care as much.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
But I feel like Instagram has this like impression that
you can't really give too much sometimes unless I'm doing
a Q and A. When it comes to dating, I
feel like I'm oddly kind of private because the people
that I actually like to actively date are very private, okay,
so I always have to kind of respect their privacy
and the what I do publicly, I keep them hidden always.
I've had boyfriends for like two years, even before the show,
(02:46):
I probably post them once, so dou to.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Request well this, I mean, this kicks me off. My
first question. You have a comment about dating older men.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
It's I think it was something along the lines that
it's great until it's not. And I'm not going to
ask a lot of follow ups to try to like
figure out what you mean by that. I just want
you to explain what you mean by that and why
this was even something you thought you should bring to
the public's attention.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
I know, I like really tapped into the in cells
for that. Then the thumb cells are defending me.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
She's not that old, she's in her forties, and she
still got it. I was like, you guys are not
helping me. It's not like the defense that I want.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
They're like, she's fifty five, nothing wrong with that age,
but that's just not Hilda Am. I had a drafts
file when everyone thought TikTok was going to be banned.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Who knows where it's even at.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
Right now, And I just made all these drafts one night,
and that was one of them because I had had
a period of time where I was randomly going out
with When I say older man, it's like under fifty.
Not talking about people that will be in Golden Bachelor,
if you will, even though I guess the beach is
going to be mixed. But I think that there is
a certain archetype, particularly in New York City and in
(03:57):
certain cities where guys reached out like mid forties, and
I find that they don't necessarily evolve, and they start
dating younger and younger and younger.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And that's not every man.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
That's not every man miss forties and so on, but
there is this like single guy with a certain level
of affluence and exposure and all these things that they
are very.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Immature and a little.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
Bit narcissistic and so on, and I just had a
few experiences back to back. This It's a random draft
that I was making, but it really like blew up
on both platforms, and I didn't think it would cause
such a stir. I thought i'd probably archive it, but
people really had a lot to say, and a lot
of people trauma dumped and really got in there.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
So I'm clearly not the only one that's had that experience.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
But I find it's like a misconception that if someone
is older or of a certain age, that they're ready
for marriage, ready for a partnership, or ready for these things.
And it's also a misconcepted if someone hasn't been married
by a certain point that they're not. But I find
that a lot of certain guys, particularly in New York
and what I'm exposed to, I find that they are
not ready for even a relationship at all.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And I was kind of starting to see why.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I can't understand that with the New York City Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Now, somebody who's older than you, I don't think he's
close to fifty, but he he's definitely in his forties,
is criminal minds. Matthew Gray Goobler. You went on a
date with him and he has like the nerdiest aura.
What's he like in real life?
Speaker 7 (05:22):
Well, we were just friendly, he is. He's like a
very sweet guy. That video is not about him, by
the way. His aura is very.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Similar to what people anticipate.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
He's just like a nice, sweet guy and very aloof
and quirky and kind of all the things that he
presents himself.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
As any other celebrity guys you've dated.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I've signed so many n das I'll ever say.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I love that response, so you prepared for that goodness?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
No way to like avoid the question. I like to
protect people, So if I'm going to date someone, That's.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
Why I keep things very vague, because I just find
that if you ever, even if I were to give
like extreme details of an experience, someone will have some
sort of response, and I just don't want to air
someone's laundry. I'll talk about how they affected me and
my experiences or like how they've.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Shaped me and things like that. But I just think
like bashing exes or bashing people that I've gotten.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
To know for a period of time, whether we ended
in a bad way or not, just as like a
bad reflection on me. So I just find like going
down that road is just never going to be a
good thing for me, or.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
For them, or for anyone.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
And I think everyone has very different experiences when people
break up and so on, So I think I could
give a lot of like t and all these things,
but just like wouldn't really be the same, like if
everyone leaves a breakup with the same like a different
experience ultimately.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Be I think, Okay, this is a two part question
for you.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
It's going to go back to what we were just
talking about, but then I want to give some insight
into how this dating world is working for you.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
It's always interesting.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
And I could name about four names I was thinking of,
and I'm not going to compare them with you or
to you, because you're all different, but you all kind
of have this similar sophistication, the similar outlook on life,
similar kind of vibe when we watch you on television,
and I always think it's interesting that you chose to
(07:14):
go on this show. It feels I don't want to
say beneath you because I was a bachelor. That would
be a very bad dis to me, and Ashley.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
You also signed it an NDA.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Yeah, it does feel weird for you to say yes
to it. It feels weird for you to agree to it,
especially with what we've just been talking about.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Why did you say yes?
Speaker 7 (07:37):
So?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I have two sides to my personality.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
I have a serious side and a side that needs
to step up in certain ways, whether it be professional
or whatever it is. But I also have a side
that is way too impulsive and just kind of says
yes because I would like to have a lot of
life experiences before I settle down or do certain things
or get to like a certain.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Phase of my life.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
So my friend applied me, and I got a call
so quickly that I honestly didn't even really have time
to think about it. So I kind of did it
because they also breadcrumbed me a bit, Like they called
me in May and I thought it was a straight
like I thought it was a completely unrelated person calling,
and then they would call me every two weeks, so
they kind of treated me like a dating situation.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Was kind of like a guy where like.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
Every time I thought they forgot about me or were
an interested or I was about to take another job,
or like I was about to work in the startup space,
and I was holding off interviews because this summer they
if they started calling me in May, I didn't get
a call that I was officially on the show until
September or mid September, so it was like this bread
crumbing back and forth, and by the time I actually
got the call, I was like, why not. Honestly, the
(08:37):
dating scene is so bad in New York, I might
as well pursue an opportunity where I'm going to meet
someone that is so outside of the people I've been
exposed to that like, no matter what happens, all I
grow as a person, or I'll meet my partner or
something good will come out of it. So I didn't
really have like I had a lot of time to
like think, but because it was like every three weeks
or every two weeks or things like that, every time
I forgot about them, I was then re reminded, so
(08:58):
I didn't get to like it wasn't like in May,
I like have four months to think about it. I
had two weeks before I had to leave for the show,
so I didn't really get to like overthink it too much.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
The fault that is you're off the show now you
said yes to it. You're talking about you're dating in
New York. It does feel like you're actively dating, like
you're going on cool dates, you're making friendships. At times
you're calling them like you're friendly or whatever. But you're
out there, you're like hanging.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Out with people. How are you meeting people?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Because the common thing we hear on this show and
even outside of the show is it's not the going
on a date that's hard, that it's finding even a
date to go on that's the most difficult.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
So how are you even finding these people to go
on dates with?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Well, they kind of find me.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
I feel like I go out, I say yes to
a lot of opportunities, even like the worst event that
I'm invited to, it's like, I don't know, like a
taco stand opening, Like I will say yes a lot
of the time, and I will meet people randomly through
things like that. So I'm just more of a yes
man still. And that's what got me into the show
and what has also got me into different dating situations.
(10:16):
And I think that in going out all the time,
you're going to meet a lot of people, whether that
be like a friend that then introduces you to someone
and they're like, I have someone that's great for you,
even if you don't vibe with someone. I think that
the more you just say yes to plans of different things,
the more you'll meet people. But there's definitely a drought
happening where I'm not even going on as many dates
as I used to. And there's this like weird March drought,
(10:39):
like post February, post pre summer, like there is a drought.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I have not been on a date in a minute.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It's not coughing season and it's not summer fleeing.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
No.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I'm compiling a list of all the weird messages men
have sent me and I might make a TikTok about it,
because like it's been a weird dry season and I
feel like people have been really.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
There's been no one that's like interested me in a
long time.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So we had some of your girls you have a
girl crew from Zach season. Yeah, And we had you
guys go away on trips like every couple of months.
It's really awesome. We had a few on a month
or so ago. I think it was a Gallantine' say
episode and they were like, they're like, oh, Ariel will
date anyone like she has a wide range of taste,
(11:23):
like wink face, Is there any illusion in this there?
Speaker 7 (11:27):
Okay, the girls make fun of me because I have
a thousand different types, Like I genuinely don't have a type,
but I have a particular type that they think is
really funny because I kind of like sometimes I don't
actually end up dating them full on, but like like
pre dating if you will, like not boyfriend or girlfriends, yeah,
because those are very different. I have a type that
like wears very high waisted pants, has like an earring,
(11:50):
is very hipster, is like a starving artist kind of vibe.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Huh. So I have like this type that they just
don't relate to it all. So I guess they're more
into like jocks and things like that.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
And I have a type that is like very hipster
sometimes like don't swear peak of New York, like these
guys that are like smoking a cigarette in the back
of an alley way being like with a weird accent
that you can't identify even though they're from the States.
So they all make fun of like, I guess my
international taste because.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I like guys.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, no, never mind.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
They made it seem way juicier than this, Like you
had some secrets.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I definitely have a lot of secrets, but.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
I can't really keep my own secrets, so I can
keep other people, so it's like mutually shared.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
In another life, I think I would have, like if
I had a better hairline, like grow my hair out
and in rock that vibe.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Like I see myself in that guy.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I'm like, I think, yeah, that's not a weird type
to me.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Like I grew up with my sister that's that's her
type to a tea, but she's not marrying that type currently.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
It's hard to marry that type unless they're like secretly
like doing some sort of side hustle or something else
and they're like secretly like they're all kind of lovers,
but they love women too much.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
If you will so they will see you then your
best friend and all these things. Yeah, so there is
like an issue that type.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
But the girls think it's so funny because like they're
very like fem guys that I've been out with, and
they kind of dress very feminine.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Sometimes there was photos that came out.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Of a French guy that I was seeing in like
full like a dress and everything, but oddly a part
of me thinks that's very masculine. So like if people
can make fun and poke fun of certain things, so
too boring.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
I'm so boring.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
We're in a backwards hat and like I look good today,
that's boring.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Everything is every girl likes a backwards hat and a
guy's a sweatshirt, Like that's probably the most universally liked
thing you could wear.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
It is. And also depending on the earring, Yeah, it
really depends for me.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Yeah, I walked into a party the other day and
everyone had an earring on.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I was like, in a high waisted pain, so are
they making fun of me? Everyone was from a different
part of Europe what it is?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
So I was like, hello, okay, wild question here. So
we've talked about all that and I think we've prepared
ourselves for this moment. You mentioned Paradise briefly there. I
guess the first question is would you say yes? And
then second, would you be the one that would maybe
go on a date with one of the goldens?
Speaker 7 (14:17):
You would think based on that TikTok probably yeah, I
don't think so. I think above the highest that I have.
I mean, I went out with a fifty year old
We did not kiss old.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
How old are you?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I'm thirty? Okay, No, I don't think so. I had
no offense to them.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
I think I learned a lot from older men and
they offer a lot of information knowledge, But to actually
date someone in their fifties or sixties is just not
what I'm looking for.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Okay, would you say yes to Paradise? So you didn't
answer that question, I know I screweded it.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's all we need to know.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Moving on.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
I'm definitely open to it.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
I feel like I'm again kind of in a similar
phase I was in when I first of the show.
I'm in a very open place now. I'm very open
to new experiences. Again, it's like a drought out here.
I can't even find a hipster to kiss, so not
that I'll find one on the beach, but I I'm
very open minded right now. So I'm definitely open to
doing Paradise. I'm definitely open to new experiences right now
(15:13):
and meeting new people. It just depends if there's people
on the beach that are actually serious about that.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Ashlely.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
I'll say this after the last couple weeks of interviews
leading out the Paradise.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
These dudes are gonna be very lucky.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, I'm sorry, it's always the guys are the luckier half.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I mean, if theirs do you say yes, especially from
like Zach season and you know the season of Grants
that we just watched. Yeah, like those dudes are gonna
be like they're gonna they're gonna be nervous like the
whole time.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
It's gonna be the best.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Nervous as they should be.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Yeah, I even I haven't entered, so I've I've started
to go to dates early because I feel like when
you go early and you're sitting there first, the person
arrives kind of flustered and nervous.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Oh heck, yeah, you have the upper hand.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
It's not even an upper hand because I really like
to make guys feel super comfortable. That's kind of like
the misconception of being mysterious in all these things. And
I'm actually on a date with someone, I want them
to feel super comfortable.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
So then like highly overshare with me.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
I'll be like, oh, I probably shouldn't know that, but
I'll make you feel comfortable. They're like killed my ex
girlfriend and I'm like, that's so so brave.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Where is she buried? So I could call me the
I after. So I really like to make people feel comfortable.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
But I find that guys are a lot more nervous
on dates and are just nervous in general.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I think we always like.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Separate guys and girls in a certain way in terms
of dating, but they're people too, you know, they get
nervous like we do.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, we just had Gabby Ill Nicky you'r you know,
friend from the show from Zach season, and she was
talking about how normal it is for you guys to
go over to Zach's house and just hang out with
Katie and he's just in the background, and you're like, Hey.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
What's up.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I had a fantasy suite with you, but nobody remembers that,
not you or me.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I mean, they definitely misportrayed our fantasy suite.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
But I think over time, it's been such a long
time now since that experience, and we've all had so
many lives. I probably had like five hundred secret boyfriends
since then.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You are seriously such an interesting person.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I think that throughout this interview, I think you're cooler
and cooler, more intimating.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Oh my god, I don't really know if I like
the intimidating thing but I can't help, but I guess.
But I find that it's so easy to hang out
with Zach because when you get to know someone like
that and you go through also like your trauma bonded
to the women, So it creates a very particular relationship
with those girls, like I have a relationship with I
could be friends with people for like fifteen years, but
those girls know me in a completely different way than
(17:39):
my family, my friends, anyone that experience that you share together,
especially the farther and farther you get, because it becomes
more traumatic, if you will, and you're more removed from society.
So that's like a particular trombond with the women, but
also with the lead you also bond in a certain way,
whether that is like romantic or long term, any of
these things you like. I think the most fun part
of Fantasy Suites was like dish about everything and the
(18:00):
whole experience and finally having someone to talk to off
camera about everything.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
We'd gone through.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
So I've always had like a good rapport with Zach since,
and I think everyone's kind of moved on and any
feelings that they've had. And Katie was one of the
people I was closest to in Gabby, particularly because.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
We just had the very similar experience up until the end.
I mean, I was on a boat in Thailand being
like where am I?
Speaker 7 (18:24):
So I think that it is so easy to go
to hang out with Zach and do all these things,
and it just feels like a friendship at this point,
and it feels like supporting my best friend's relationship, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
It doesn't feel like my own narrative anymore.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
It makes a lot of sense to me. And I
think even talking to Gabby like this dynamic doesn't work
unless Katie is also super confident, welcoming, hospitable, and very
relaxed about this idea, because I don't think it happens
every season, and I think it's one of the reasons
why this is such a unique, you know, kind of
(19:01):
group coming off a Zach season that you stayed close.
We did get to hear about you all going to
was it Montana?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Montana?
Speaker 7 (19:10):
Just to tell me at AFR He's like, I'm so
jealous of that trip, and you're welcome to Colm anytime.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Montana was really fun. We also did the rodeo, we
did Houston. We've got a lot of trips.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Actually, didn't you just go to like Florida, like two
weeks after your trip to Montana.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
You guys wanted to redo it.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
We did.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
I wasn't in Florida. We did, but we did Houston.
Oh okay, we did Houston way too close to Montana.
And I've decided I'm not traveling ever again for a
long time.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
So tired.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
But we do trips a lot because it's really nice
to have like these mini reunions and have them be
like very inclusive and all of us kind of be
together because again, it's such a particular bond, Like I
can talk to the girls in a different way, even
about dating and all these things that I do to
some of my closest friends sometimes. Yeah, and even like
our experiences from the show, that's still like affect us today.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
We only have a few more minutes here with you,
and I have really two questions. One is more just
about you personally and what your dreams are here moving
forward the secon This one's more of a headline getter
for us. The internet has been shipping you and Jason
Tartick really since the Caitlin Bristow breakup. I don't know
(20:31):
if you know this.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I actually didn't know that I am.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I'm not lying to you about it.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
You can go google yourself and it will be out
of there rather so, yeah, that's smart. But so my
first question is would you be interested in Jason Tartick?
And if not Jason, who from the show would you
like to see show up to the beach in Paradise
if you were there.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
I'm open to Jason. I've never thought about him romantically.
We spoke, I was supposed to go on this podcast
after the show. We've spoken, but I can't really remember
what he's even like really, but I'm definitely open to that.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You must not follow Jason on social media.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I do. I do. I see a lot of his
social media.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I'm gonna say he puts himself out there.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
But I can't tell if that's actually like.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
The way you present on social media can be very
different than you as like a partner, a boyfriend, any
of those things. So I'm trying to like disassociate that
from the way people actually are, especially if it's someone's
like business. But yeah, I'm definitely open. I don't even
know that was a thing. Who would I like to
see on the beach? I feel like, everyone's pining for
this person. So I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Just say it, come must it's good for us.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
I'm gonna be so avoidant with them, and I'm gonna
ignore them on the beach.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Because that's like that's gonna work. They can't know that
I said that. I'm open to him.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Actually, I see his social media a lot more than like,
and I've never met him, but I feel like his
whole like squad is really funny online and I like humor.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
What season is this guy from? Can you at least
tell us that?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I wouldn't know? Actually, no, it was. It was Greg.
I'm like, it's gonna seem really just shade. There's a
difference between like shady and mysterious.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
But yeah, no, I definitely think that he would get
too much attention on the beach though, so I'd have
to ignore him there.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Okay, it's probably gonna work.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
It's a competition.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I don't see it as a competition. Even thirty women
one man like that. I'm fine with that ratio because, like,
if you actually connect with someone, none of that really matters.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I don't really I get jealous.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
If I really love s so mature and cool no.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I'm actually really not.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Like I think the wrong guys will bring out an
immature side of you and make you feel insecure and
make you feel bad. But if there's actually a connection
there and someone makes you feel secure, it doesn't matter
if there's all these other women situations.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
In my opinion, like I.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Think the right guy brings out the right side of you,
and like that's when you don't really feel jealousy. You
don't have to question things, you don't need to stalk
them in certain ways.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
We do that until you do.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
So based on this theory, I didn't marry the right person.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
That's good, that's good kidding, but not.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I think that's the headline over the beach or anything.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
I cannot wait to see you in Paradise and have
like four dudes interested in you, and like, because you
are open and you're like I'm here to enjoy and explore,
You're going to say yes to all these dates and
all of a sudden, you're gonna find yourself in this
love rectangle and you're gonna have to figure.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Yourself out of it.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
And I cannot wait to watch the conversations you have
where you're explaining it, and everybody's like, yeah, that makes sense, Like.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
We're all good here, Well, we can all make this work.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I know it's I'm going to be in like a harem.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
That it can turn into it very quickly.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yes, the show in general is very polyamorous.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Yeah, they are the first.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
One to call it an open relationship, but it's been
like that forever.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
It really has the polyamorous show with Christian values, perfect
for me.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
And a Christian audience with our favorite Jewish girl, right,
they've never seen one before me.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
My final question is, obviously we've talked a lot about
your dating. We've talked about your time on potentially going
on Paradise if it happens. You talked also about your
career and you were going to work for a startup
at the time. What does life in our final few
moments here look like for you right now, outside of
the romantic side, but more of the personal side. What
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does life look like in New York City?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Life in New York City professionally, are in general just kind
of in general?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
I think professionally and in general all work together.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, it does so.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
I since the show have been doing a lot of
public speaking and motivational speaking, which I really like. I
go to different college campuses and I go to high schools,
and I've also hosted really big seminars. I just hosted
one in DC in December and one in Atlanta as well.
And I came back from Berlin on like a peace summit.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
So I do a lot of that.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
I do a lot of like deradicalization work through the
Middle East. And then my life in New York is
it changes every single day. I don't think I spend
enough time here. I'm moving apartments right now, so I
have to find a new apartment if I do Paradise
before then, which.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Gives me two weeks to three. It's super fun.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Because they are filming early in May.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
If they do not, But I know that information, I'm
not exposed to that. I have no idea what you're
talking about. But yeah, I have to find an apartment within
three weeks, move everything. I'm getting rid of all my clothes,
So maybe I should do a TikTok about all the
outfits that I wore on the show, because they're all
making a comeback now, yea. But yeah, I'm really focused
on kind of all the things that I've been advocating
for online in terms of like peace building things like
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that and creating a space for Jewish people online. That's
a lot of the work that I do. And I
might also start my own business. But I want to
talk about anything until it's actually set. So I feel
like every day is very different, and that's kind of
the exciting thing about being an entrepreneur. Every day is
not going to look the same, and every day in
New York looks very different too. All have five dates
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one week and zero the next, but hopefully this drive.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Still end soon.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Yeah, we just want one for you right now. We're
just asking for one.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Guys, I have had dates.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
I've just been saying no unless, like I really want
to go Ariel.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Maybe this is a sign from the universe that you're
not supposed to date anyone because your person's in paradise.
We don't want it to get to be a messy situation.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
I do fully believe that, like I do believe in
the new universe and signs that you're set, and the
men that have been sent my way in the last
few months are really pushing me to go to the beach,
throwing me over the ledge. I wish I could read
all the texts I've received recently. Someone recently invited me
to pizza macassa. I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Pizza in what pizza?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Ohma, casse isn't our restaurant. Would you think.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
It's like having almost different sushi but in different formats
of pizza.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I don't even get it.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Okay, that sounds very intriguing to me.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
It was intriguing.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
And then they got mad that I couldn't go because
I was in La for AFR and I don't know,
it's been a mess out there, so maybe I will
really be on the beach.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I'm being pushed in that direction.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
We hope to see you there.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Oh my gosh. Well, it is a true pleasure talking
to you today.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Great to properly meet you.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah. Same, Let's let's do more.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I want to go to one of your girl retreats
or something and then I'll record back almost famous investigates.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Go out and follow Aeriel on social media. TikTok and
Instagram are your two most used platforms?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, i'd say so. I don't have a YouTube yet,
but maybe one day.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Okay, go out and follow her.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Keep up with everything good going on in Ariel's life
and also from the Almost Famous listener group and the
host of Almost Famus podcast. We hope to see in Paradise.
It would be a pleasure for all of us. Thanks
for coming on. We wish you the best.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Thank you guys, Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we
have a special guest who I never met before, but
she did an interview with Ben back during her season.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It is Ariel Frankl. Hello and welcome to the show.
We're so glad to have you back.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
I'm so excited to be back.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
We interview people all the time on the show, Aerol.
Why do you make me nervous?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I know she I may have put makeup on early
because Ariel.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Is coming on, do I Yes, Yeah, make.
Speaker 6 (00:35):
Me nervous, like maybe intimidation.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Maybe it's like I think when the first time we spoke,
like we had a good conversation, but I feel like
you were like there was a like something defensive going
on at time, so you were like protecting a little
bit and you were like questioning me back and I was.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Like, oh was I I don't.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Know if I just in my mind, yes, preparing for this,
I was nervous and I never get nervous.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
But we're so happy you're here.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I'm so happy to be here. Eric. A lot of
people say that to me.
Speaker 7 (01:08):
People think that I'm both people that know me think
this is really funny that people categorize me as mysterious
or intimidating. But I think I just sometimes say less.
It depends on how much much I've had, and right
now I've had a.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Lot, so okay, so let me say this on Zoom
right now, you're coming across a little less intimidating than
I thought you were on the show on Zach season.
If you guys don't remember, she was the third place
on Zach season and you were definitely like the sexy
girl like everybody. I think we called you like sex
panther part two.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
That's like I'll take it that.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, Like you've got that like sultry voice and like
just the dark features. You're just like meeah right, and
and you still are like that right now on Zoom,
but I have smiling You're like brighter and little less mysterious.
But you also present yourself very sultry on Instagram. I
(02:01):
feel like, yeah, you document your dating life in a very.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, I don't want to use the word more serious again,
but like kind of cryptic way.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
I am kind of cryptic online sometimes well I feel
like Instagram is more cryptic and TikTok is more open.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Okay, and I do.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
I feel like the two platforms are very different. So
on TikTok, I'm a little.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Bit more like playful and don't really care as much.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
But I feel like Instagram has this like impression that
you can't really give too much sometimes unless I'm doing
a Q and A. When it comes to dating, I
feel like I'm oddly kind of private because the people
that I actually like to actively date are very private, okay,
so I always have to kind of respect their privacy
and the what I do publicly, I keep them hidden always.
I've had boyfriends for like two years, even before the show,
(02:46):
I probably post them once, so dou to.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Request well this, I mean, this kicks me off. My
first question. You have a comment about dating older men.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
It's I think it was something along the lines that
it's great until it's not. And I'm not going to
ask a lot of follow ups to try to like
figure out what you mean by that. I just want
you to explain what you mean by that and why
this was even something you thought you should bring to
the public's attention.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
I know, I like really tapped into the in cells
for that. Then the thumb cells are defending me.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
She's not that old, she's in her forties, and she
still got it. I was like, you guys are not
helping me. It's not like the defense that I want.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
They're like, she's fifty five, nothing wrong with that age,
but that's just not Hilda Am. I had a drafts
file when everyone thought TikTok was going to be banned.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Who knows where it's even at.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
Right now, And I just made all these drafts one night,
and that was one of them because I had had
a period of time where I was randomly going out
with When I say older man, it's like under fifty.
Not talking about people that will be in Golden Bachelor,
if you will, even though I guess the beach is
going to be mixed. But I think that there is
a certain archetype, particularly in New York City and in
(03:57):
certain cities where guys reached out like mid forties, and
I find that they don't necessarily evolve, and they start
dating younger and younger and younger.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And that's not every man.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
That's not every man miss forties and so on, but
there is this like single guy with a certain level
of affluence and exposure and all these things that they
are very.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Immature and a little.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
Bit narcissistic and so on, and I just had a
few experiences back to back. This It's a random draft
that I was making, but it really like blew up
on both platforms, and I didn't think it would cause
such a stir. I thought i'd probably archive it, but
people really had a lot to say, and a lot
of people trauma dumped and really got in there.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
So I'm clearly not the only one that's had that experience.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
But I find it's like a misconception that if someone
is older or of a certain age, that they're ready
for marriage, ready for a partnership, or ready for these things.
And it's also a misconcepted if someone hasn't been married
by a certain point that they're not. But I find
that a lot of certain guys, particularly in New York
and what I'm exposed to, I find that they are
not ready for even a relationship at all.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And I was kind of starting to see why.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I can't understand that with the New York City Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Now, somebody who's older than you, I don't think he's
close to fifty, but he he's definitely in his forties,
is criminal minds. Matthew Gray Goobler. You went on a
date with him and he has like the nerdiest aura.
What's he like in real life?
Speaker 7 (05:22):
Well, we were just friendly, he is. He's like a
very sweet guy. That video is not about him, by
the way. His aura is very.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Similar to what people anticipate.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
He's just like a nice, sweet guy and very aloof
and quirky and kind of all the things that he
presents himself.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
As any other celebrity guys you've dated.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I've signed so many n das I'll ever say.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I love that response, so you prepared for that goodness?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
No way to like avoid the question. I like to
protect people, So if I'm going to date someone, That's.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
Why I keep things very vague, because I just find
that if you ever, even if I were to give
like extreme details of an experience, someone will have some
sort of response, and I just don't want to air
someone's laundry. I'll talk about how they affected me and
my experiences or like how they've.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Shaped me and things like that. But I just think
like bashing exes or bashing people that I've gotten.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
To know for a period of time, whether we ended
in a bad way or not, just as like a
bad reflection on me. So I just find like going
down that road is just never going to be a
good thing for me, or.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
For them, or for anyone.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
And I think everyone has very different experiences when people
break up and so on, So I think I could
give a lot of like t and all these things,
but just like wouldn't really be the same, like if
everyone leaves a breakup with the same like a different
experience ultimately.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Be I think, Okay, this is a two part question
for you.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
It's going to go back to what we were just
talking about, but then I want to give some insight
into how this dating world is working for you.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
It's always interesting.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
And I could name about four names I was thinking of,
and I'm not going to compare them with you or
to you, because you're all different, but you all kind
of have this similar sophistication, the similar outlook on life,
similar kind of vibe when we watch you on television,
and I always think it's interesting that you chose to
(07:14):
go on this show. It feels I don't want to
say beneath you because I was a bachelor. That would
be a very bad dis to me, and Ashley.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
You also signed it an NDA.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Yeah, it does feel weird for you to say yes
to it. It feels weird for you to agree to it,
especially with what we've just been talking about.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Why did you say yes?
Speaker 7 (07:37):
So?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I have two sides to my personality.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
I have a serious side and a side that needs
to step up in certain ways, whether it be professional
or whatever it is. But I also have a side
that is way too impulsive and just kind of says
yes because I would like to have a lot of
life experiences before I settle down or do certain things
or get to like a certain.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Phase of my life.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
So my friend applied me, and I got a call
so quickly that I honestly didn't even really have time
to think about it. So I kind of did it
because they also breadcrumbed me a bit, Like they called
me in May and I thought it was a straight
like I thought it was a completely unrelated person calling,
and then they would call me every two weeks, so
they kind of treated me like a dating situation.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Was kind of like a guy where like.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
Every time I thought they forgot about me or were
an interested or I was about to take another job,
or like I was about to work in the startup space,
and I was holding off interviews because this summer they
if they started calling me in May, I didn't get
a call that I was officially on the show until
September or mid September, so it was like this bread
crumbing back and forth, and by the time I actually
got the call, I was like, why not. Honestly, the
(08:37):
dating scene is so bad in New York, I might
as well pursue an opportunity where I'm going to meet
someone that is so outside of the people I've been
exposed to that like, no matter what happens, all I
grow as a person, or I'll meet my partner or
something good will come out of it. So I didn't
really have like I had a lot of time to
like think, but because it was like every three weeks
or every two weeks or things like that, every time
I forgot about them, I was then re reminded, so
(08:58):
I didn't get to like it wasn't like in May,
I like have four months to think about it. I
had two weeks before I had to leave for the show,
so I didn't really get to like overthink it too much.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
The fault that is you're off the show now you
said yes to it. You're talking about you're dating in
New York. It does feel like you're actively dating, like
you're going on cool dates, you're making friendships. At times
you're calling them like you're friendly or whatever. But you're
out there, you're like hanging.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Out with people. How are you meeting people?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Because the common thing we hear on this show and
even outside of the show is it's not the going
on a date that's hard, that it's finding even a
date to go on that's the most difficult.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
So how are you even finding these people to go
on dates with?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Well, they kind of find me.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
I feel like I go out, I say yes to
a lot of opportunities, even like the worst event that
I'm invited to, it's like, I don't know, like a
taco stand opening, Like I will say yes a lot
of the time, and I will meet people randomly through
things like that. So I'm just more of a yes
man still. And that's what got me into the show
and what has also got me into different dating situations.
(10:16):
And I think that in going out all the time,
you're going to meet a lot of people, whether that
be like a friend that then introduces you to someone
and they're like, I have someone that's great for you,
even if you don't vibe with someone. I think that
the more you just say yes to plans of different things,
the more you'll meet people. But there's definitely a drought
happening where I'm not even going on as many dates
as I used to. And there's this like weird March drought,
(10:39):
like post February, post pre summer, like there is a drought.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I have not been on a date in a minute.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It's not coughing season and it's not summer fleeing.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
No.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I'm compiling a list of all the weird messages men
have sent me and I might make a TikTok about it,
because like it's been a weird dry season and I
feel like people have been really.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
There's been no one that's like interested me in a
long time.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So we had some of your girls you have a
girl crew from Zach season. Yeah, And we had you
guys go away on trips like every couple of months.
It's really awesome. We had a few on a month
or so ago. I think it was a Gallantine' say
episode and they were like, they're like, oh, Ariel will
date anyone like she has a wide range of taste,
(11:23):
like wink face, Is there any illusion in this there?
Speaker 7 (11:27):
Okay, the girls make fun of me because I have
a thousand different types, Like I genuinely don't have a type,
but I have a particular type that they think is
really funny because I kind of like sometimes I don't
actually end up dating them full on, but like like
pre dating if you will, like not boyfriend or girlfriends, yeah,
because those are very different. I have a type that
like wears very high waisted pants, has like an earring,
(11:50):
is very hipster, is like a starving artist kind of vibe.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Huh. So I have like this type that they just
don't relate to it all. So I guess they're more
into like jocks and things like that.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
And I have a type that is like very hipster
sometimes like don't swear peak of New York, like these
guys that are like smoking a cigarette in the back
of an alley way being like with a weird accent
that you can't identify even though they're from the States.
So they all make fun of like, I guess my
international taste because.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I like guys.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, no, never mind.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
They made it seem way juicier than this, Like you
had some secrets.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I definitely have a lot of secrets, but.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
I can't really keep my own secrets, so I can
keep other people, so it's like mutually shared.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
In another life, I think I would have, like if
I had a better hairline, like grow my hair out
and in rock that vibe.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Like I see myself in that guy.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I'm like, I think, yeah, that's not a weird type
to me.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Like I grew up with my sister that's that's her
type to a tea, but she's not marrying that type currently.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
It's hard to marry that type unless they're like secretly
like doing some sort of side hustle or something else
and they're like secretly like they're all kind of lovers,
but they love women too much.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
If you will so they will see you then your
best friend and all these things. Yeah, so there is
like an issue that type.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
But the girls think it's so funny because like they're
very like fem guys that I've been out with, and
they kind of dress very feminine.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Sometimes there was photos that came out.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Of a French guy that I was seeing in like
full like a dress and everything, but oddly a part
of me thinks that's very masculine. So like if people
can make fun and poke fun of certain things, so
too boring.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
I'm so boring.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
We're in a backwards hat and like I look good today,
that's boring.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Everything is every girl likes a backwards hat and a
guy's a sweatshirt, Like that's probably the most universally liked
thing you could wear.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
It is. And also depending on the earring, Yeah, it
really depends for me.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Yeah, I walked into a party the other day and
everyone had an earring on.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I was like, in a high waisted pain, so are
they making fun of me? Everyone was from a different
part of Europe what it is?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
So I was like, hello, okay, wild question here. So
we've talked about all that and I think we've prepared
ourselves for this moment. You mentioned Paradise briefly there. I
guess the first question is would you say yes? And
then second, would you be the one that would maybe
go on a date with one of the goldens?
Speaker 7 (14:17):
You would think based on that TikTok probably yeah, I
don't think so. I think above the highest that I have.
I mean, I went out with a fifty year old
We did not kiss old.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
How old are you?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I'm thirty? Okay, No, I don't think so. I had
no offense to them.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
I think I learned a lot from older men and
they offer a lot of information knowledge, But to actually
date someone in their fifties or sixties is just not
what I'm looking for.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Okay, would you say yes to Paradise? So you didn't
answer that question, I know I screweded it.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's all we need to know.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Moving on.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
I'm definitely open to it.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
I feel like I'm again kind of in a similar
phase I was in when I first of the show.
I'm in a very open place now. I'm very open
to new experiences. Again, it's like a drought out here.
I can't even find a hipster to kiss, so not
that I'll find one on the beach, but I I'm
very open minded right now. So I'm definitely open to
doing Paradise. I'm definitely open to new experiences right now
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and meeting new people. It just depends if there's people
on the beach that are actually serious about that.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Ashlely.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
I'll say this after the last couple weeks of interviews
leading out the Paradise.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
These dudes are gonna be very lucky.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, I'm sorry, it's always the guys are the luckier half.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I mean, if theirs do you say yes, especially from
like Zach season and you know the season of Grants
that we just watched. Yeah, like those dudes are gonna
be like they're gonna they're gonna be nervous like the
whole time.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
It's gonna be the best.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Nervous as they should be.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Yeah, I even I haven't entered, so I've I've started
to go to dates early because I feel like when
you go early and you're sitting there first, the person
arrives kind of flustered and nervous.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Oh heck, yeah, you have the upper hand.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
It's not even an upper hand because I really like
to make guys feel super comfortable. That's kind of like
the misconception of being mysterious in all these things. And
I'm actually on a date with someone, I want them
to feel super comfortable.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
So then like highly overshare with me.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
I'll be like, oh, I probably shouldn't know that, but
I'll make you feel comfortable. They're like killed my ex
girlfriend and I'm like, that's so so brave.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Where is she buried? So I could call me the
I after. So I really like to make people feel comfortable.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
But I find that guys are a lot more nervous
on dates and are just nervous in general.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I think we always like.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Separate guys and girls in a certain way in terms
of dating, but they're people too, you know, they get
nervous like we do.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, we just had Gabby Ill Nicky you'r you know,
friend from the show from Zach season, and she was
talking about how normal it is for you guys to
go over to Zach's house and just hang out with
Katie and he's just in the background, and you're like, Hey.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
What's up.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I had a fantasy suite with you, but nobody remembers that,
not you or me.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I mean, they definitely misportrayed our fantasy suite.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
But I think over time, it's been such a long
time now since that experience, and we've all had so
many lives. I probably had like five hundred secret boyfriends
since then.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You are seriously such an interesting person.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I think that throughout this interview, I think you're cooler
and cooler, more intimating.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Oh my god, I don't really know if I like
the intimidating thing but I can't help, but I guess.
But I find that it's so easy to hang out
with Zach because when you get to know someone like
that and you go through also like your trauma bonded
to the women, So it creates a very particular relationship
with those girls, like I have a relationship with I
could be friends with people for like fifteen years, but
those girls know me in a completely different way than
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my family, my friends, anyone that experience that you share together,
especially the farther and farther you get, because it becomes
more traumatic, if you will, and you're more removed from society.
So that's like a particular trombond with the women, but
also with the lead you also bond in a certain way,
whether that is like romantic or long term, any of
these things you like. I think the most fun part
of Fantasy Suites was like dish about everything and the
(18:00):
whole experience and finally having someone to talk to off
camera about everything.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
We'd gone through.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
So I've always had like a good rapport with Zach since,
and I think everyone's kind of moved on and any
feelings that they've had. And Katie was one of the
people I was closest to in Gabby, particularly because.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
We just had the very similar experience up until the end.
I mean, I was on a boat in Thailand being
like where am I?
Speaker 7 (18:24):
So I think that it is so easy to go
to hang out with Zach and do all these things,
and it just feels like a friendship at this point,
and it feels like supporting my best friend's relationship, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
It doesn't feel like my own narrative anymore.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
It makes a lot of sense to me. And I
think even talking to Gabby like this dynamic doesn't work
unless Katie is also super confident, welcoming, hospitable, and very
relaxed about this idea, because I don't think it happens
every season, and I think it's one of the reasons
why this is such a unique, you know, kind of
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group coming off a Zach season that you stayed close.
We did get to hear about you all going to
was it Montana?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Montana?
Speaker 7 (19:10):
Just to tell me at AFR He's like, I'm so
jealous of that trip, and you're welcome to Colm anytime.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Montana was really fun. We also did the rodeo, we
did Houston. We've got a lot of trips.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Actually, didn't you just go to like Florida, like two
weeks after your trip to Montana.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
You guys wanted to redo it.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
We did.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
I wasn't in Florida. We did, but we did Houston.
Oh okay, we did Houston way too close to Montana.
And I've decided I'm not traveling ever again for a
long time.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
So tired.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
But we do trips a lot because it's really nice
to have like these mini reunions and have them be
like very inclusive and all of us kind of be
together because again, it's such a particular bond, Like I
can talk to the girls in a different way, even
about dating and all these things that I do to
some of my closest friends sometimes. Yeah, and even like
our experiences from the show, that's still like affect us today.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
We only have a few more minutes here with you,
and I have really two questions. One is more just
about you personally and what your dreams are here moving
forward the secon This one's more of a headline getter
for us. The internet has been shipping you and Jason
Tartick really since the Caitlin Bristow breakup. I don't know
(20:31):
if you know this.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I actually didn't know that I am.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I'm not lying to you about it.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
You can go google yourself and it will be out
of there rather so, yeah, that's smart. But so my
first question is would you be interested in Jason Tartick?
And if not Jason, who from the show would you
like to see show up to the beach in Paradise
if you were there.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
I'm open to Jason. I've never thought about him romantically.
We spoke, I was supposed to go on this podcast
after the show. We've spoken, but I can't really remember
what he's even like really, but I'm definitely open to that.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You must not follow Jason on social media.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I do. I do. I see a lot of his
social media.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I'm gonna say he puts himself out there.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
But I can't tell if that's actually like.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
The way you present on social media can be very
different than you as like a partner, a boyfriend, any
of those things. So I'm trying to like disassociate that
from the way people actually are, especially if it's someone's
like business. But yeah, I'm definitely open. I don't even
know that was a thing. Who would I like to
see on the beach? I feel like, everyone's pining for
this person. So I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Just say it, come must it's good for us.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
I'm gonna be so avoidant with them, and I'm gonna
ignore them on the beach.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Because that's like that's gonna work. They can't know that
I said that. I'm open to him.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Actually, I see his social media a lot more than like,
and I've never met him, but I feel like his
whole like squad is really funny online and I like humor.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
What season is this guy from? Can you at least
tell us that?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I wouldn't know? Actually, no, it was. It was Greg.
I'm like, it's gonna seem really just shade. There's a
difference between like shady and mysterious.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
But yeah, no, I definitely think that he would get
too much attention on the beach though, so I'd have
to ignore him there.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Okay, it's probably gonna work.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
It's a competition.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I don't see it as a competition. Even thirty women
one man like that. I'm fine with that ratio because, like,
if you actually connect with someone, none of that really matters.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I don't really I get jealous.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
If I really love s so mature and cool no.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I'm actually really not.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Like I think the wrong guys will bring out an
immature side of you and make you feel insecure and
make you feel bad. But if there's actually a connection
there and someone makes you feel secure, it doesn't matter
if there's all these other women situations.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
In my opinion, like I.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Think the right guy brings out the right side of you,
and like that's when you don't really feel jealousy. You
don't have to question things, you don't need to stalk
them in certain ways.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
We do that until you do.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
So based on this theory, I didn't marry the right person.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
That's good, that's good kidding, but not.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I think that's the headline over the beach or anything.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
I cannot wait to see you in Paradise and have
like four dudes interested in you, and like, because you
are open and you're like I'm here to enjoy and explore,
You're going to say yes to all these dates and
all of a sudden, you're gonna find yourself in this
love rectangle and you're gonna have to figure.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Yourself out of it.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
And I cannot wait to watch the conversations you have
where you're explaining it, and everybody's like, yeah, that makes sense, Like.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
We're all good here, Well, we can all make this work.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I know it's I'm going to be in like a harem.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
That it can turn into it very quickly.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yes, the show in general is very polyamorous.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Yeah, they are the first.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
One to call it an open relationship, but it's been
like that forever.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
It really has the polyamorous show with Christian values, perfect
for me.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
And a Christian audience with our favorite Jewish girl, right,
they've never seen one before me.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
My final question is, obviously we've talked a lot about
your dating. We've talked about your time on potentially going
on Paradise if it happens. You talked also about your
career and you were going to work for a startup
at the time. What does life in our final few
moments here look like for you right now, outside of
the romantic side, but more of the personal side. What
(24:29):
does life look like in New York City?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Life in New York City professionally, are in general just kind
of in general?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
I think professionally and in general all work together.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, it does so.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
I since the show have been doing a lot of
public speaking and motivational speaking, which I really like. I
go to different college campuses and I go to high schools,
and I've also hosted really big seminars. I just hosted
one in DC in December and one in Atlanta as well.
And I came back from Berlin on like a peace summit.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
So I do a lot of that.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
I do a lot of like deradicalization work through the
Middle East. And then my life in New York is
it changes every single day. I don't think I spend
enough time here. I'm moving apartments right now, so I
have to find a new apartment if I do Paradise
before then, which.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Gives me two weeks to three. It's super fun.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Because they are filming early in May.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
If they do not, But I know that information, I'm
not exposed to that. I have no idea what you're
talking about. But yeah, I have to find an apartment within
three weeks, move everything. I'm getting rid of all my clothes,
So maybe I should do a TikTok about all the
outfits that I wore on the show, because they're all
making a comeback now, yea. But yeah, I'm really focused
on kind of all the things that I've been advocating
for online in terms of like peace building things like
(25:40):
that and creating a space for Jewish people online. That's
a lot of the work that I do. And I
might also start my own business. But I want to
talk about anything until it's actually set. So I feel
like every day is very different, and that's kind of
the exciting thing about being an entrepreneur. Every day is
not going to look the same, and every day in
New York looks very different too. All have five dates
(26:00):
one week and zero the next, but hopefully this drive.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Still end soon.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Yeah, we just want one for you right now. We're
just asking for one.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Guys, I have had dates.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
I've just been saying no unless, like I really want
to go Ariel.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Maybe this is a sign from the universe that you're
not supposed to date anyone because your person's in paradise.
We don't want it to get to be a messy situation.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
I do fully believe that, like I do believe in
the new universe and signs that you're set, and the
men that have been sent my way in the last
few months are really pushing me to go to the beach,
throwing me over the ledge. I wish I could read
all the texts I've received recently. Someone recently invited me
to pizza macassa. I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Pizza in what pizza?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Ohma, casse isn't our restaurant. Would you think.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
It's like having almost different sushi but in different formats
of pizza.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I don't even get it.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Okay, that sounds very intriguing to me.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
It was intriguing.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
And then they got mad that I couldn't go because
I was in La for AFR and I don't know,
it's been a mess out there, so maybe I will
really be on the beach.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I'm being pushed in that direction.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
We hope to see you there.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Oh my gosh. Well, it is a true pleasure talking
to you today.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Great to properly meet you.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah. Same, Let's let's do more.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I want to go to one of your girl retreats
or something and then I'll record back almost famous investigates.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Go out and follow Aeriel on social media. TikTok and
Instagram are your two most used platforms?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, i'd say so. I don't have a YouTube yet,
but maybe one day.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Okay, go out and follow her.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Keep up with everything good going on in Ariel's life
and also from the Almost Famous listener group and the
host of Almost Famus podcast. We hope to see in Paradise.
It would be a pleasure for all of us. Thanks
for coming on. We wish you the best.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Thank you guys, Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
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