Red Carpet Bombshells with Taylor Nolan

Taylor Nolan is here with us! Can you believe this is the first time she and Ben have met?? We get her to open up about her engagement to Derek Peth and how that changed her relationships going forward. She helps us break down all the hot topics in Bachelor Nation this week:

• Chris Soules
• Demi
• Hannah B

What happened with Kristian and Demi at Jingle Ball??

Dean dropped a major bomb about Caelynn on the red carpet.

Dr. Jannette joins us to explain about JP (Bachelorette Ashley Hebert's husband) and his potentially life threatening illness

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with i R Radio. Let's see, the Almost Famous podcast
is a very friendly environment. We like to bring others
in and welcome them into what we're doing, right, Ashley,
we sure do. And the person who's our co host
today is somebody who I was just felt so familiar
and comfortable with that when I ran into her at

(00:22):
jingle Ball, I hugged her, I think, and I was like, so,
it's a good to see you. And I realized afterward
that I had never met her in person. But that's
just how it is with this show. You feel like
you know someone before you meet them for real and
bends absolutely. Then you also have never met this co host.

(00:47):
You would you like to introduce the girl who's sitting
next to me? I would, Yeah. So we know her
from the Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise. She's a fan favorite,
has an incredible story to tell with twists and turns,
just like we all do. Taylor, No One, Welcome, Welcome,
It's almost here his podcast. Thank you for having they
excited to be here. Taylor, for all the listeners out there,

(01:08):
You're gonna sit around with us all day today, talk
hot topics, and there's plenty of them, but let's get
started with you. We know you, uh from whose season
of the Bachelor, and then what how would fans know
you from your time on Paradise? Yeah, so I was
on Nick next season that was season one, Um left
on the two on one, was a bit controversial with

(01:31):
Karin with Karin um, yes, and then I was on
Paradise and was engaged with Derek. Fun stuff. Well we'll
get into that later. Yes, we have a lot of
Derek questions to pepper you with, but right now we're
going to just that, Taylor. Right now, we're going to

(01:52):
talk about our hot topics. Both you and I were
at jingle Ball. Hannaby was there. We didn't see her.
We had a whole Bachelor crew in the forum lounge
and it was it was you, me, Chris Souls who
made his first appearance since his accident two and a
half years ago. Um, then it was Jared Dean, Kaylin,
Christian Haggarty Demise ex fiancee, and um who was my

(02:15):
missing Angeline Catherine? Uh yeah, Angela and I think that
was it. But yeah, but we did see Hannah. That's unfortunate.
I wish she was there. Yeah, it's actually I saw
her at the red carpet did Yeah, briefly saw her there, um,
but then yeah, she was nowhere else to be found. Wow,
I'm sure she is. She probably just wanted to get

(02:35):
in and get out. I saw her there. No, she
was there all night. Oh really half the night with
her backstage a little bit. And I don't say like
getting get out. I mean like that girl is so busy.
I feel like she's NonStop at appearances. So mhm, it's
a busy world for a what do they call that thing?
What's the ball that they went on Dancing with the stars,
the Busy Life, the Mirror Ball winner, you know, I

(03:02):
I wonder I can't remember back when, but Hannah has
kind of caught fire here recently. I do think it's
weird that she didn't see you, although I mean I
would have loved to meet some fellow bachelor people. Well,
now you're making like it's like shady, but there's no
shade to it. So but there is shade. There is
There is a component of shade that we can play here,

(03:23):
and that is the fact that Christian came but Demi
canceled last minute. So is it possible that she was
too nervous to be at the same event as Christian
And I don't mean to be a bleep talker. Amy's arrived.
That cost me that she canceled at the last second. Wait,
why what were you going to do? And I don't
mean to be like that, but like I really was

(03:43):
not happy about it. She canceled like an hour before
the limo was already sitting outside her house before because
you got our driver and stuff. You mean why it
was so expensive? Yeah, I got our driver, and I
can't cancel a driver. I don't know if people listening,
Like a lot of times when their celebrity events, you
send a car and and Taylor is probably sitting there
going I didn't get a car. Okay, I'm just gonna

(04:07):
tell the story because whatever. I don't care, Like I'm
going to get a call from the Bachelor people, but
they already know I'm super mad. So originally we invited
them when they were together, and so then they broke up.
So I was asked, are you fine to still have
them both? And I said, of course, Like I would
never uninvite somewhere, So I said, yeah, and they can

(04:28):
both bring a guest, no problem. So then it got
a little dicey, like I started getting emails like are
they gonna be sitting near each other? And I don't lie.
I was like, look, it's not that big, you know
what I mean, there's like some parties where they were
going to definitely be like at the burger stand together.
So then like two hours before I guess it was
to know an hour before because the car was at

(04:49):
her house waiting for her. They said she wasn't coming,
and I mean, I don't know if you guys know this,
but like I'm not the calmest person or the sweet
is I mean, I was so ticked because the seats
we gave you guys are good. Yeah, that was completely
sold out. Those tickets are between five each. So wait,
did she call you to tell you that she wasn't coming? No,

(05:12):
someone else called me to say she wasn't coming, And
I'm like, could she just have decided this? Two days ago?
People were begging for the tickets, like do you know
Romeo Romeo? Miller told Romeo yes, And I told that
guy know I know, So I guess I have a
right to be I don't know, you guys judge if
I have a right to be mad or not well.
I think last minute cancelations for anything that's business oriented

(05:34):
is never never looks good. I mean, if she didn't
want to, I think you have an issue that you said,
not a little Romeo. I think she could have canceled
on you weeks at something and she was getting nervous.
I totally understand that. Like I'm sure I have like
boyfriends where I don't want to be at the same part.

(05:55):
You definitely would kind of do this, but not in
a business context, Like you would never do that in
a business context, but you would definitely avoid an ex
boyfriend sometimes because I just don't need the diarrhea, Like
it just makes me so nervoud. Well, I've got with Christian,
I got to know her a little bit better, and
she's kick ass. I love her. She's so awesome. She's
like comes across a little bit differently than she does

(06:16):
on the show. I didn't I didn't watch her on
the show, but she was a total badass and I
loved her. I mean, we hung out. I went back
to her place afterwards and hung out and she was
absolutely fantastic, just such good vibes. And Katherine to like
freaking loved Katherine. Yeah, she comes off a little bit
more mellow on TV, like even Keel, but she's like

(06:37):
a little bit spicier in her life. And um, we
should also mention that Demi met Christian through Katherine, and
you guys may not may or may not remember her
from the first two weeks of Colton season. They've been
best friends since like childhood together, and they moved from
Florida together to l A last year. And it was
Katherine who was good friends with Demi from the two

(06:59):
weeks that she was on Colton. Susan who introduced her
and Demi. Yes, question Demi, anyway, Ben, are you feeling
left out because you were not jingle Bold? No? No,
I was just letting you guys do your thing. Do
you know what other Dirk came from jingle Ball? Dean
said something on the red carpet. He said, I just

(07:21):
saw this. He goes, uh, marriage will absolutely not be
happening between me and Kaitlin. And now what do you
think about that comment there? Had did he did he
do this? Because he's Dean and he says stuff and
then he gives his little smirk like, oh, this is
gonna be funny later and then it's not because we're

(07:41):
all just like and like Caitlin's Kylin standing there like
rolling her eyes because she knows that, like, Dean's just
trying to get under your skin. Was this where this
came from? Probably pull every red carpet. It's so funny
when you're sitting next to him and you're like, oh
my god, you just did it again. Yeah, and he
knows he does it, Like, let's stop. Okay, Dean is charming,

(08:02):
charm is deceitful, so like, let's understand, like he knows
what he's doing. He says this and knows that everybody's
gonna get an uproar about it. It's gonna be a headline.
Klin is gonna roll her eyes knowing that he doesn't
mean it. That at this point they probably haven't even
talked about it, and he's it's just Dean being Dean,

(08:23):
which we should not always forgive. So I'm not forgiving
my friend here. I'm saying, Dean, you're wrong, stop doing
this the USSI Weekly article. That's not gonna stop, he says.
When asked if a wedding would ever happen between he
and Kaylin, he said that's never gonna happen. The alum
joked to us weekly she does joke around about us

(08:45):
getting married all the time, and I always say, sorry,
not gonna happen. I don't know. I'm super unconventional, and
she obviously is a little more conventional. We joke around
about it. Just try to keep expectations to a minimum,
you know, Like I said on the show, under promise
over deliver it. I just I cannot imagine dating him.

(09:12):
Could you imagine dating a guy like back Taylor? I
feel like I have in the past, and I've regretted it.
We got Derek. No, I don't know that there's different
levels there, but no, I think Dean, like you said,
he's very charming, but I think there's a lot like
when you peel back the layers and actually get to
his vulnerable side, like there's a lot there and he really,

(09:32):
he really is a great, great guy, great human. He
has so much there, yes, yes, and he cares about
Klein a lot. So let's let's let's speak for Dean
here because he needs it. Is after being around him
at Jingle Ball, is Klin and Dean's relation ship does
it feel like it's progressing? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. That was

(09:52):
my first time meeting her, and I was asking her
a little bit about just like they're traveling, you know,
and like does she feel like she likes keep up
with him? And she is very much just like, oh,
I love it, like if I'm here in l life
like more than two days, and like where are we going?
Like I want to go somewhere. And I was like, okay, good.
Then that makes a lot of sense that the two
of you would like pair together and enjoy this kind
of lifestyle together. So that's so cute. It seems really
really get together. I was joking with her too, It

(10:14):
was like, Um, every time I see you guys on
Instagram talking about the last eleven mile hike you went on,
I'm like, wow, she really likes him. All right, let's
move on. Karin Olympios your your best friend. You're Bessie,
the f F from next season is now single. Um

(10:35):
didn't know that. Yeah, she's had a boyfriend for I
guess like about a year. Anything to say sorry it
didn't work out. We'll just move on to the next
the next line here, Ben, you want to talk about
Peter's press release for the season and how you feel
like this one might be a little bit different than
normal premiere press releases because I found um a red

(10:57):
not a red flag, but something that sticks out to me,
what sticks out to you? Dash It says that this
episode doesn't end with the rose ceremony and then it
goes straight into group dates. Every year they mix it up.
I uh, I'm trying to figure out how that would work,
but it's gonna be fun to watch. I mean, I

(11:19):
like that they change the format up. I helped me
stay more unpredicted. I think, well, every year we complain
about the Bachelor and the Bachelor at premiere because like
it's so formulaic at this point, and I feel like
they probably have heard that from fans too much to
not change it. And here we go, here's the change.
So we probably are going to get a bit of

(11:40):
a a shorter version of that night one. We may
not get to know the the rejectees at all. Yeah,
they'll just be in and out. Dang, Yeah that's quick.
We also in the season premiere press release get a
little bit more detail on Hannah Bee's role in this season,
So we do see her step out of the limo,

(12:02):
and it does seem like that is what you know.
She steps out of the limo on night one, and
then she makes another appearance so she she hosts a
group day in which the women will be revealing their
most memorable sex stories, stories, and fantasies in front of
a live audience. Ben, how do you feel about this?

(12:23):
How many? How many years in a row? Are we
going to do sex stories early this early on? Well,
I mean, I think we're seeing it. It's no longer
the story that it was before, but I mean in relationships,
it's part of it, and this show is based on relationships,
so we're gonna talk about it forever. Um. I don't
love how it becomes like the massive storyline of the season.

(12:48):
I do think it helps the audience. I don't know
how I even feel about this, but it does help
the audience get to know the couple better. If we
know they've been intimate like that, that gives us some
context to where their relationship is at. Why it is
Maybe they're so connected and they you know, understand each
other so well. The one thing I don't love is
I really don't want to sit and watch an hour

(13:09):
worth of TV. Why people talk about their sex fantasies
like This isn't that show to me? Yeah, I don't
even know how they can make that clean for like,
you know, the eight o'clock hour on ABC. Al Right,
we have a couple other hot topics, including more about
Hannah By, But first we have a doctor coming on
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well you've got a doctor hanging on the line about
to explain the syndrome that one of your bachelor alums
was just diagnosed with. You gotta take the call. Now,
you've gotta interrupt Hot Topics. So Dr Jeanette is on

(15:44):
the phone. Hello, Dr Jeannette, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Hey,
thank you for having me. Thank you. So you're a
medical news expert, family and emergency medicine doctor and we
have to know I need you do explain this. This
the syndrome. Is it a syndrome that JP Rosenbaum has.

(16:06):
It's called yeah, Dion Bret the elves kind of silent
but yeah. So this is a very rare but potentially
life threatening condition. It only affects about one and a
hundred thousand people, um, and I've only had a few
cases in my lifetime fortunately. But what happens is your

(16:26):
immune system it attacks its own healthy cells, it attacks
its own nerves, and it causes damage to the nerves,
and it affects your motor nerves and your sensory nerves.
So you have trouble walking and you have numbness and
tingling um and difficulty with sensation. And the danger is
that you normally not sometimes you start to have paralysis

(16:47):
and weakness, beginning in your feet and it slowly moves
up to your legs, to your knees, to your waist.
And then the reason why it becomes life threatening is
it can affect your diaphragm. So if your diaphragm becomes
fairly you can't breathe. And so I've had patients you
know that have had to be on ventilators because of
this um of this condition which usually is triggered or

(17:10):
preceded by an infection like that your restaurtoy tech track
in section or you know, like a stomach bug where
you have some nausea or vomiting or diarrhea. So it
can be from a virus, it can be triggered by
a bacteria. Um, we don't know exactly what. But the
key is early diagnosis, and you know that tends to
lead to a better outcome, such as in JP's condition.

(17:33):
Thank goodness he sought treatment early, otherwise it could really
have affected him. So unlike most neurological diseases, this is
this is actually caught and caught kind of because you
have some you catch, you know, like you said, um,
a stomach bug, and then it develops from there. Right.

(17:55):
So sometimes somehow, for example, there's a bacteria called campblow
back or UM. This has been found in many people
who were diagnosed with a Guillan beret UM. And and
that's a bacteria. For example, maybe you were under the weather,
or you ate the bad food that was contaminated, or
you just had a cold, just a simple virus and UM,

(18:18):
and that virus went and affected and attacked. It triggered
your immune system to attack itself. And and so that's
how it starts. But we don't know the exact cause. UM.
There could also be a genetic predisposition. The scientists are
still you know, studying and researching this condition. But the
key again is if you catch it early, you can

(18:38):
potentially prevent any serious long term sequela. UM. You know,
we can get you treated with I D medications that
we call immunoglobin m I D immunoglobin or a plasma
exchange and that can help um with the progression of
this condition. UM. There's not a cure for it, but UM,
you know a lot of people can recover over time.

(19:01):
It can take weeks two months to recover. A lot
of physical therapy is sometimes needed. Some people don't recover
if it's not diagnosed in a timely manner um. But
the good thing again is that it's rare. But I've
seen it before and I was able to, un fortunately,
thank goodness, diagnosed it and find it and catch it
early in a young patient that I once had in

(19:21):
the e er and I quickly sent him to the
neurologist and we got him started on medications where we
were able to prevent him from having any serious complications
trouble breathing and keep him off a ventilator. So JP
said that he can't drive his skins to school right now.
He can't even to t M I wipe his own butt. Uh,

(19:43):
how fast is the onset of symptoms? So everyone is
different than you know. For example, the patient that I had,
it's been it was a couple of weeks. He slowly
had just a little bit of numbness and tingling in
his legs, and then it was getting worse. He actually
wants to see another doctor who said, oh, you're just hyperventilating,
and then um, Luckily he came back as he was
instructed and we ran some tests. And you know, there's

(20:06):
a test called a lumbar puncture which can tell you
if you have a certain amount of type of protein
in your body. And UM, so everyone is different. It
can it doesn't usually hit you suddenly. It's usually progressive,
you know, maybe over days or weeks, and then it
can hit you UM hard after that if you don't
take precaution, if you don't get treated. But everyone is

(20:27):
different as far as how fast it attacks and how
severe your symptoms will be. Some people they don't have
very serious symptoms UM, and they can recover, but some
it can be. As you see with Jp, UM hospitalize.
He's gonna need physical therapy. You probably can't drive because
his body is still weak. UM. Then that numbness and
tingling in the weakness is because of the damage to

(20:49):
the nerves. The body is strong and it attacks itself
in an effort to fight off you know, this infection. UM.
This is what we call antigen It recognizes that there's
something off in the body, and that's why the body
turns on itself. But fortunately for him, he's young, healthy overall,
and hopefully with time and physical therapy he will UM.

(21:11):
You know, improve and maybe maybe even a full recovery.
All right, well we hope, so thank you so much
for giving us some more insight onto on this syndrome.
But absolutely I prest throw out to Jake hopefully he'll
continue to do well him in his family. Yes, all right,
thank you, Dr Jeannette, talk to you soon. Bye, You're welcome,
have a good one. So I mentioned I wasn't done

(21:41):
talking about hand to be in her role in Peter's season,
It says in this press release, You guys, you have
to go read the press release because it's chuck full
of juicy stuff. It says that you know, she comes
out of the limo and that she hosts a group date.
But not only that she um She says that after
after this group date, Peter discovers Hannah backstage distraught and

(22:03):
what she shares with him is going to leave them
both very confused, it says, and they're both going to
possibly question whether they still have feelings for each other
and if it's mutual, and if Hannah will continue to
date Peter in a bachelor house full of other women.
That seems a little unrealistic to me that she would

(22:26):
I know, you meant It seems a litt unrealistic to
me that she would stay there to do all of that. Right,
There's absolutely no chance she's gonna she wins the Mirror
Ball Trophy and then she's gonna go just like leaving
that bunks again. Yeah, absolutely not. The timeline is interesting
because it was before Yeah, well we know she went

(22:47):
on to do Dancing with the Stars and had to
train countless hours a day, so she obviously did not
join his season. I think the big mystery here is
what does she tell him my fear? I mean, like,
this is I prob being just like played by all
the promos. But I guess my faery is that she says, Hey,
like I have other opportunities. I'm going to go pursue them.

(23:09):
Work on myself. You know, I think I should be
single now. But if for some reason, you keep thinking
about me through this process and I keep thinking about you,
then you know, then let me know. Yeah, she could
be like, have this experience, but then afterwards, if I'm
still in your mind, then maybe we should touch base
because you've been on my mind. Yeah all right, yeah,

(23:29):
I mean I I we'll see, we'll have to see.
It's less than one month until the premiere of Peters
season and I do love the tagline of this season,
expect turbulence. Isn't that cute? It's a good one. Some
more Bachelor hot topics, Caitlin and Jason adopted a new dog,
another Golden Retriever, through Bunny Bunny Babies, which is a

(23:51):
really awesome uh foundation that goes and gets dogs over
in Asia that are in shelters. They're really high kill
shelters over there, or um in meat markets, which is
even scarier. So it's very nice to see them add
their new addition of Pino too. They're very cute baby Ramen,

(24:12):
very cute. Um. Dylan and Hannah recently discussed their wedding
and they said that whenever it is that Hannah be Demi, Keatie, Heather,
and Mike Johnson will all be invited. I feel like
Dylan is connected with a lot of Backster Nation. I
don't know who Hannah's like group of friends are, but
I always see Dylan with a group of dudes. I'm

(24:34):
surprised there's not more names here. Yeah, Like there's gonna
be Peter there and and Tyler Cameron. Right. I think
their wedding is going to be an incredible event. I
have a feeling that's going to happen soon, and we
think I think it might too. I think it might
actually be next summer. Now, do you think that there's
a kind of couple that would get married on Bachelor
in Paradise? Yes? Really, I mean, I don't know. That's

(24:58):
just my that's just my a judgment. This My judgement
of myself is that I'm the kind of person that
would get married Bachelor Paradise, and I didn't want to
do it that way. So, I mean I feel like
they would. Um, Bachelor Paradise alums Daniel McGuire and Robbie
Hayes their back on reality TV. Robbie is on uh
cs A Key and Daniel McGuire is on the new

(25:20):
season of X on the Beach. So, if you guys
are hardcore Bachelor fans and you want to watch them
in there, there you go. Who knows, Taylor's got a
face right now? What's the face saying? That's just yeah,
a lot of judgment slightly, Yeah, it's a lot of Um,
I don't know. I mean, Daniel's in Vancouver and from
what I know, he's like still just you know, live

(25:41):
in single life China, trying to make things work. And yeah, Robbie,
I mean, good old Robbie. Were you on seasons with
both of them? I was, yes, yeah, both of them.
Daniel was with Lacy, which was like disaster, um, and
yeah Robbie was with Amanda. Yeah. Yeah. Dannie McGuire's gonna

(26:02):
be one of the weirdest guys I've ever met. And
the final tidbit of Bachelor news that we got for
you is Bachelor alum Becca Martinez is pregnant with baby
number two. She announced on Instagram over Thanksgiving break. Do
you know Becca, I do not. I was actually thinking
I was going to meet her this l a trip.
We're going to do a pod swap, but scheduling does

(26:22):
not work out, So yeah, I have yet to meet her.
And then I was supposed to go to Kendall had
like a white Elephant party thing on Saturday. I was
going to go to and then got caught up in
some other things so it didn't make it there, but
would have met Becca there if I had gone. Darn itt.
Becca is the best I love her and um, I
love how she's so unfiltered and unscared to say certain things,
and she's been opened about this, this pregnancy being more

(26:46):
planned than the other one. Yes, yeah, I feel like
we always get tagged in similar things, like I'll get
tags in certain comments of like me and her discussing
similar topics and having similar personalities on on social media.
So I had always wanted a meter and hopefully one
of these days that it works out. Yeah, all right, Ben,
should we take a break and then get into the

(27:06):
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smartest way to higher Alright, Taylor, So we all know
you from the Derek and Taylor relationship on the show.
We're often so just like glued to the person that
we had a televised relationship with, and you become kind
of one in the minds of Bachelor fans. Yeah, So

(32:52):
how do you feel about that glue right now? Because
I feel like your face says you don't really like it. Yeah,
I mean like I'm not glue to him anymore, you know. Um,
it was a solid almost a year of my life
where we were very much attached and I get that,
you know, but yeah, like he's his own person with
his own life now, and I'm my own person with
my own life now. And it's not like I get

(33:14):
it's always gonna be a part of my life. It's
a part of my story, Um, just way more public
and in my face than most relationships. So it's a
little different and feels a little old at times, but
I mean it's also like a very special relationship to me.
So can you give us a time one of your relationship.
So you guys met on Bachelor in Paradise four four

(33:36):
I think it was four Yeah? Yeah? Was it four? Yeah? Okay,
So then you were together for a year, right we
lit a little less, Yeah, we were. We met in
June and then we're engaged on the reunion show, which
was an August, and then broke up in like May June. Okay, yeah,

(33:57):
I think it was like we were publicly broken up
in like June, and then he took a year in
between the breakup to go on Bachelor in Paradise this
past season. Yes, yeah, did you want to get engaged
on that August re union show? No, I feel like
it was obvious watching you. Yeah, Um, yeah I did.

(34:21):
I was not in that place, and I did make
that clear. I think that wasn't. Yeah, so no, I did,
I didn't, And I think you know, there's a lot
of reasons why why it did happen. Um, And yeah,
that was a big part in us breaking up as well.
But what do you mean there was a lot that
went into that. You said there was a lot of

(34:42):
decisions that happened. When when I say that, when people
are like, oh, you know, like, were you expecting to happen,
And I'm like no, because I was clear that I
didn't want so I didn't expect to happen. Um, a
lot of people are like, oh, well, you know, he
must just been manipulated by producers all that, and I'm
like no, because they also knew that I didn't want that,

(35:03):
and I like, I think part of it also was
really just he really wanted that, Like he really saw that,
and I saw it as an opportunity, And I don't
think there was anything like malicious in it of him
being like, oh, I'm going to get her in those
relations shows. Um. But yeah, I mean even like friends

(35:23):
that have seen him since then, Um, like a few
months ago, one of my friends hung out with him
and it's just like he was like, yeah, like I
was really in love with her, like I really really
loved her, And I'm like, oh, yeah, like I think
he really thought. Yeah. So you're saying it's not for
military storiesons. You're saying it's not because the producers talked

(35:45):
him into it, and you said that it's something he
really wanted. Now, did he really want to just be
with you forever? Did he want to like get married
or did he want to have a televised bachelor engagement
and being a bachelor engaged couple. Yeah, I have thoughts
on that. Um. I think part of it is that, Yeah,

(36:05):
he just really wanted you know, uh, he really wants
a family, He wants that life, he wants to have
someone in his life like that. Um. I think part
of it was, yes, he saw me as that person.
But I think the other part of it sure is
also that piece of attention and you know, just continuing
something like when you know you want to long term
date someone, you take the opportunity to just get engaged
on the show to then have all that extra stuff

(36:27):
and whatever else. So I think I think that was
part of it. But I'm not him, so I can't
say how does having this like relationship to fine you
mean we're still talking about today, how does it affect
your like dating life and any other relationship since then?
It's caused me to be super intentional and super assertive

(36:49):
in my relationships now. Um, but just in terms of
like people perceiving me and whatnot from this relationship. It's
it's a weird thing, you know, because I don't necessarily
can ssider myself to have been engaged. Like it's a
weird thing. I look at it as like this alternate universe,
like an alternate reality life that I was in. Um so,
but to other people it's like, wow, like you were engaged,

(37:10):
like you had this like full out thing and and
um I think it makes other people when they first
start dating me, think that I want all of those things,
which I do on some level right, but not in
that way. Um but yeah, it's caused me to just
be a lot more intentional and assertive and like creating
my relationships today, I want like my first thought, I

(37:36):
know our listeners are things, this is like why would
you say yes? I don't think I actually said yes.
I was just crying and I was like shaking my
head like I literally you did it. I was literally
in shock, like I've literally never already. When I walked
out there on stage, I like black out immediately because
the last time I was on stage like that was

(37:56):
for Women's Hell All, which was like highly traumatic and
like a freaking Wrestling Rank, like it was literally hyperventilated
in between commercial breaks and just an absolute disaster. So
already going out there, I was such a disaster and
had so much anxiety and was just literally just blacking out.
And yeah, afterwards, I literally just went into like total shock.

(38:17):
And I'm a big talker, so I'm always talking through
things through and like afterwards, I was in my trailer
and like your podcast is called let's talk about it
exactly exactly, and even afterwards, like the producers that I'm
close with were decided didn't talk, and like I literally
was just silent for like thirty minutes, and I just
said like tears like streaming down my face, like I
couldn't even make words. And that's like that's how I know.

(38:40):
I'm like, yeah, that was just shock, Like I had
never experienced anything like that before, and it's like, what
are you gonna do? It's like, yeah, I do have
love for him, and you know, want to date him,
Like we were not monogamously together when that happened. Um,
so I was like I do have love for him
and I want to date him, but like now now, what,

(39:00):
like how do I I have no idea? You're not
monogamously together. And was he aware of this? Was? Yes,
and he proposed to somebody who didn't even want to
commit to him, like fullheartedly. Yes. Were you not monogamous?
Because I know you talked about this on your podcast
a lot. You talked about open relationships and threesomes even,

(39:24):
and we talked about all the things. I know. I
say threesomes like that just because we don't normally don't talk.
It's usually pretty PG over here. UM. But so you're
the kind of person that you can have multiple relationships
at one time. What were you open with Derek because
you didn't like him enough or just because you like
that style relationship? No, So I wouldn't even say we

(39:46):
were in an open relationship. We were just single and
like dating. UM. And I don't think like when people
are in open relationships or not monogamous relationships, it's not
even necessarily about not liking someone enough. It's just other
things are are different. Um. Having you a connection with
one person doesn't lessen your connection for another. UM. But yeah,
I think we basically after Paradise, he came to Seattle. Um.

(40:09):
He was in Seattle for like three weeks, and we
were having a great time, and you know, he had
like pushed back his flight like to stay longer, and
it was sweet and I was like so happy, but
by the time he left the trip, I was like,
you know, I'm not ready to be like I still
need more time. And you know, when you get off
the show, like there's just so much happening, and you know,
I had gotten off of my season of Bachelor and

(40:32):
then gone on to Paradise and was like, yeah, like
I just want to take this slow, Like I just
want to see what life looks like like you live
in Iowa, I live in Seattle, Like let's just give
this some time, and you know, like give ourselves a
little bit of a breather here. And um, I think
he was really hurt by that, and and like we
wanted to be boyfriend and girlfriend, and I basically left

(40:53):
it as like you know, yeah, I'll communicate with you
if I'm with anyone, and like you communicate with me
if you're with anyone, and we'll continue to work on
this because I would like to work towards that. Um.
And then you know, we both kind of did our
own things and saw each other when we could, and
then there was definitely things that he wasn't fully honest
with me about that also contributed to things later. Um,

(41:15):
and yeah, it wasn't. I wouldn't say we weren't any
kind of open relationship. It was just us dating and
figuring it out. And yeah, then then it was time
for the reunion show. Would you say that his feeling
spiked during the airing of the show, or that there's
like a higher round your relationship, Well, yeah, yeah, I
mean there's a lot of there's a lot of hives

(41:37):
around all of it, right, Um, and yeah, I think
there was also a part of you know, my storyline
the first time around on Bachelor was really difficult and
didn't necessarily show the best parts of me. And I
think he really enjoyed the fact that people were getting
to see a different side of me. And I think
he you know, I think it also made him feel

(41:59):
good to know that like he was a part of
that and that he was helping that he was helping
me in that way, I guess. Um, so yeah, I
think that, you know, watching ourselves on the show also
brought us together. And you know, it's I always say,
like my favorite Derek that I knew was like Derek
in Iowa like when I'm there, like with his family,

(42:19):
Like that was the absolute best possible times we could
have had where we were super super close. And it
doesn't make me sad because I think in in a
different place, in a different time, if we had met,
you know, totally unrelated to the show, things might have
been different. Um, but yeah, they're just when I look
at like the actual timeline of our relationship, so much

(42:43):
stuff happened, and it's like, yeah, no, wonder it was
difficult for us. There were there was a lot contributing.
So close up the picture for us here because I
want to get to know you too, Taylor, outside of
this relationship, because I think there's a little bit more
there what happened after engagement and so clear clear up
to finish the story here, you get engaged, you're obviously

(43:06):
together for a while, it ends, um, and then let's
talk about what you're doing the day, because I know
you get some cool stuff going on. Yeah, yeah, got engaged. Um.
Three days after that, my stepdad, uh collapsed running a
race and had went into cardiac arrest and most people
like don't come back from that, and he did. Um
lost his medical license for his medical for being a pilot.

(43:29):
Um he was an Air Force I don't know. He
was actually fine for Paul Allen at that time. Um.
But yeah, So basically had a lot of family stuff
happened where then I stayed in Seattle and the staying
home and Derek had moved to New York for a
job and then basically wanted me to move to New
York and I was like, I have to stay over
for family. And then my cat was also like dying.
I'm a crazy cat lady, like loud and proud, um,

(43:52):
and so I was like I can't, like I gotta,
you know, stay here from my cat. And uh, yeah,
we were just not on the same page with what
we wanted it. And yeah, I have two blaring questions
before we do move on from Derek, how did you
get to crying and be so being so hysterical on
that reunion show to actually putting the ring on your finger? Um?

(44:16):
Did you really wear the ring when I was in public?
When I had to? Yeah? Um, and yeah, I mean
I've this was the reunion was in August. And then
like I told him after, I was like, yeah, like
I will be your girlfriend, you know, like I will

(44:36):
commit to you and will be your girlfriend. Um. And
then it was in October I was in Iowa and
that was when I really actually fell in love with him.
And it was unfortunate that then like that same week
that I was like I'm fully in love with you
and like I'm in this and I'm like I want

(44:58):
us to do this. Then I found out a lot
of other things that we're really heartbreaking and difficult. And
then that was that was tough. Almost broke up then,
but stayed together and try to work on things and
then and didnt engine would you say that you were
ever in a monogamous relationship with there? Yeah? Okay, so

(45:18):
was it that October time? Yeah? No, like from the
engagement they're on out, we were, we were, we were
monogously together. Yeah, Taylor, you are. I think you still do.
I don't know what you what your career is right now,
but you're obviously an expert and kind of how events
in life affect you mentally. UM. So you go through

(45:39):
this whole thing, and I want to try to make
this so relatable to anybody listening out there. I just
actually got back from watch from d C. This is funny.
I want to tell you this, Taylor. Um, as at
Capital One Headquarters talking about a company that I'm a
part of called Generous, and I'm standing in line and
they're like, oh so, so a couple of women came
up and they're like, oh, we loved Almost Famous podcast.
We're huge fans of Salem. Who you having on this week?

(46:02):
And I said your name, like, we love Taylor. So
I know they're listening to this right now, Um, which
is always fun to know and think about as somebody
across the country right now is listening to it. I
want to let you know you have fans in washingt
d C. Saltimore for like eight years, so yeah, yeah, yeah,
close to it. So here's the thing, Um, let's make
this relatable for those type of people that are listening

(46:23):
out there. Somebody gets into relationship, they don't do with it.
It's not going to according to plan. The dever feels right.
Somebody thought it was right for a long time. You
keep trying to convince yourself keeps disappointing you. Um, you
get out of it and you sit there and you
try to recover and heal and process everything that's happened
in the last seven months of your life. Eight months.

(46:45):
I don't know how long it was for you, Um,
how do you do that? And where does it spit
you out? Like at the end of it, when the
light starts to shine again. What have you learned from
this whole thing, the show, the relationship, the events that
have happened through it, to where you are an out
m M. That's such a good question. That's such a
big one. Um, there's a lot in that. I think

(47:06):
for me it was I was definitely in a in
a phase of like getting to know me a little
bit more, um, figuring out like what I really wanted
out of a relationship, what I wanted my life to
look like. Because when you come off the show, I
feel like you don't really have like a your life
is just all over the place, Like there's not necessarily

(47:26):
um grounding there for you to really like be in
touch with yourself because there's just so many things happening. Um.
And for me, it was super important to like be
grounded being Seattle'll, be with my family, be with my friends,
get back to like figuring out my career what I
wanted that to look like. If you've just gotten out
of grad school, right, Yeah, I had graduated May and

(47:47):
then was on the show filming in September. Yeah, and
for me it was like, how do I get back
to you know, who Taylor is? Like, like that was
really important, um, And like huge takeaways from the show
and that whole experience is like you can't please everyone
and at the end of the day, like you have
to remain authentic to yourself and to your story and um,

(48:10):
just living your life in an alignment with what you want. Um.
I think in a lot of ways when I reflect on,
you know, my time and my experience on the show
is that I made myself a little small and tried
to please other people and tried to make sure I
was doing things the right way. Um. And then when

(48:30):
you look back on that, that's not like you're like,
who is that? You know? Like that doesn't feel super authentic.
And so yeah, I don't know if the answers your question,
but those I have a lot of reflections post show.
Has it affected you still to this day? I mean
it's been a few years now, Yeah, I mean both
times on the show, and again it's it's always nice

(48:52):
like to in a way get together with other people
from the show because you can all kind of relate
to this experience, and even this weekend with some other
Bachelorum after jing A Ball, you know, just having really honest, authentic,
real conversations, really vulnerable conversations about how this show has
impacted each of us and it honestly is trauma. Like
for some people, Yes, it's a great experience, and I'm

(49:12):
sure for both of you you also have like beautiful
things to take away from the show. But um, in general,
it the first time was traumatic and one way, and
the second time was traumatic in other ways. And you know,
my own personal therapy for many several years post show,
and while the show was airing for like several days
a week, sometimes, um, it literally was trauma. So it

(49:35):
absolutely does stick with me, and you know, in some
ways in a really positive way, right because now I
feel like I sometimes just don't really give about anything,
and so I just, um will just be myself, regardless
of if that fits in the picture of what people
think of therapists should look like, or if it's what
they think Taylor from the show should look like, or

(49:56):
someone who has emotional intelligence should look like. It's like,
I'm just being me, like, and that's just what I'm
going to continue to do. That was my next question.
So you got what was your degree in at Johns Hopkins. Yeah,
so the bachelor's in psychology within minor and human services,
and then I have a master's in clinical mental health counseling.
So you were known on the show as the emotional
intelligence girl. It was a term that you threw around

(50:19):
a lot. How did your education play a role in
how you handled the Bachelor experience? Yeah, well, I think
going on, everyone was like from producers to friends to
like strangers, everyone was just like, oh, well, like you're
gonna kill it, Like you're just you're so prepared, Like
if anyone's prepared for a show like this, it's you,

(50:40):
And like, news flash, you're never prepared. Um uh. And
I think for me it was a huge slap in
the face of reality, honestly, because I was in such
a bubble in my life with my friends and my
community of people where phrases like emotional intelligence were just
a part of our daily language, like that was just
a part of it. And so I think it actually

(51:01):
in some ways put me out a disadvantage because honestly,
it is also a reality TV show and people want entertainment, right,
And for me, I was very much in a like
I was taking myself a little seriously. People sounded a
little bit elitist. Yeah, and and to me, like that
was just yeah, when you look at it in comparison,

(51:21):
it's going to look like that, and um yeah, to me,
it was just a part of my daily language. So
it definitely was a bit of like a wake up
call of like, um, I guess just knowing that I'm
in a little bit of of a bubble around people
who are really interested in, um, you know, personal development
and challenging themselves in those ways, and um yeah. Then

(51:41):
I was like, oh, like, I'm on a reality TV
show I forgot Did you feel about Did you feel
like everything that you knew from school made you more
overly analytical of everything that was going on, like production
and like how they were trying to poss all the moves,
the producing moves. Yes, definitely, definitely. And I also felt
like going on the show, I was just so curious

(52:04):
to like observe all the dynamics. But I definitely took
way more of a I took more like the role
of an observer than I actually allowed myself to be
present in the experience, which is something I would definitely
change if that was ever possible. Um, And I think
that's something I've been more intentional and aware of going
into any experiences today of just like you don't necessarily

(52:27):
have to like be the observer, be analytical in this,
or try to be as objective as possible, like just
go be subjective, go be yourself like experience this because
I definitely was very in my head and was very
much like trying to look out for people and trying to,
you know, take in all the different dynamics because there's
a lot, a lot that goes on on the show.

(52:47):
Would you recommend doing it? If somebody asked you today,
a close friend and they said, hey, we have this opportunity,
would you say do it? I would ask them why
they wanted to do it. I would say why, why
did you want to do it? I wanted to do
it because I thought what better way to challenge myself
with being vulnerable than to go on reality on reality

(53:08):
TV and data Total Stranger. I was a lot of
the work I was doing with my clients at the
time was around vulnerability. And I had had someone tell
me that I'm really great at getting to other people,
but then I'm actually really not vulnerable, and I have
a lot of walls up, and so I was already
challenging myself and my dating and trying to be like,
how can I let people in? How do I let

(53:29):
those walls down? And I was also trying to go
with the flow a little bit more because my life
had been so planned out, like I did my bachelor's
in three years, went straight to my master's and I
was like, I'm going to be fully licensed by the
time on and I'll work the rest of my life
as a psychotherapist. So I was like, how do I
like get outside my comfort zone and challenge myself with
letting go of control and going with the flow and

(53:50):
also being more vulnerable and letting my walls down. And
the show literally encapsulated all of that, and it was like,
this is an opportunity before I just go head first
into my career. Do I take it or do I
walk away? And then always wonder what if? That's the
most interesting answer I've ever gotten to that question. Yeah,
she's an interesting person. This has been an interesting interview.

(54:13):
Thanks for coming on. I want to hear though, Um,
what do you up to? Now? I know you have
a good podcast, it's booming. Uh, you're sharing your insights
and your love for others on this on the podcast
tell our listeners about it. Yeah. So the podcast is
called Let's Talk About It with Taylor Nolan, and it
focuses on mental and sexual health. So right now, I
practiced as a psychotherapist in Seattle, and then I'm also

(54:36):
going through training right now to be certified as a
sex therapist. So I definitely share my own personal experiences.
I have other experts on who share not only their
professional knowledge, but also their own personal experiences as well. Uh.
There's a lot of stigma and shame around mental health,
but I'm also learning that there's even more stigma around
sexual health and sexuality, especially as a as a young

(54:58):
woman of color. I receive a lot of shame around that. Um,
around expressing and exploring my sexuality. So that's something that
I feel like I try to tackle on a daily
basis on not only Instagram but also with the podcast.
UM So that's kind of what I'm up to these
days and just dating and you know, exploring all the

(55:18):
all the fun things. You brought a boy to jingle Ball?
Is that a boyfriend or is that someone you're seeing
just a person I'm seeing. Yeah, it's very Um he's
in Toronto. I've really suck at finding people in Seattle
to date. Um, so you know he's in Canada. Um,
I have someone in London. I talked to you occasionally. Um,

(55:40):
there is one person I see in Seattle. Sometimes there's
someone in l a I talked to. Uh. So yeah,
like I'm just I'm dating and figuring out where it goes.
And yeah, the Toronto guy that came to jingle Balls,
he's really great and I'm liking him, so we'll see
where that goes. You made a comment earlier about different
people fulfilling different emotional needs, and that's that's super take,

(56:00):
but it makes me wonder, do you think that you'll
ever be in a relationship? Do you want to be
in an monogamous relationship? Do you want to find somebody
who fulfills all the emotional needs so which I don't
know if that's possible, But yeah, so I was canna
say there's I definitely feel there are parts of me
that desire monogamy, and there are times I really enjoy monogamy. Um,
I don't believe that someone will ever be able to

(56:23):
fully fulfill all of my emotional needs all of the time.
I don't know if anybody can find that. Yeah, and
I think that that's unfortunately one of the concepts we
have around monogamy that can lead to some really unhealthy relationships,
um and and toxic behaviors. But yeah, there's definitely like
periods of my life and in times with people that
monogamy is what I desire and I want to be

(56:44):
fully like wrapped up in that one person, and I
don't necessarily have a desire for other people, but um,
I don't think like long term that that would be
something for me at least, you know. Ever since my
first boyfriend, I've always said, you know, the person I
marry is not gonna be the one and only person
I have sex with for the rest of my life.
That that just seems so unrealistic to me, and that

(57:05):
there were like so like it's so beautiful when you
do have a connection with someone, right, Like how often
is it that you like someone that they like you back,
and like timing is right and you have the opportunity
to actually explore connection, Like I find that that's fairly
rare that that actually happens, and when it does. How
beautiful is that to be able to have the the

(57:25):
openness to actually explore. Um So, marriage doesn't mean not
necessarily I think it. It certainly involves periods of monogamy,
you know, Like I don't think it's when I do
talk about non monogamy. I think people think, you know,
every weekend you and your partner are out trying to
find someone else, and like, that's not what it looks
like at all. Um there's definitely periods where there would

(57:45):
be uh, you know, a sense of being closed off
to other people are not pursuing that. Um and there's
times that I super enjoy that as well. Um So, yeah,
it's not I think I could definitely be in a
monogamy miss relationship again, but it would probably be a
little bit more monogamish. Interesting expression. Never heard that term.

(58:09):
It's kind of cute. Yeah, Dan Dan Savage started it.
We've got a few emails you're gonna get too before
we do. I uh, I want to ask you one
final question to sum all this up. What are from
doing the podcast? From from opening up about some of
the things have been laid on your heart, the lessons
you've learned. What are some things you have learned experienced
in the last few months from listeners and emailers before

(58:32):
we get into our own emails that you've taken with you.
Something I've learned from my listeners, sure, Um, I think
I've learned to It might sound a little weird, but
just to be more outspoken and standing in your truth. Um.
I think the more that I talk about taboo and

(58:54):
very stigmatized topics, the more I feel like it it
encourages an and fuels other people to stand in their
truths with that and to feel less alone. And I
have felt way less alone, and the things I struggle
with that I have had to work through some shame
around when I share them, and I'm also met with
the same thing from other people. So I think just

(59:16):
having that courage to stand in your truth and and
be vulnerable in that has been something I've learned a
lot to do from from listeners, and I am very
much inspired by reading their stories and reading their their
messages to me about them doing the same. Where can
people find your podcast? Um on Apple, podcast, on Spotify,

(59:37):
any place where you listen to podcasts if you're just searching.
Let's talk about it with Taylor Nolan it'll show up.
It's weekly, yep, every week. Awesome. All right, well we're
definitely going to check that out. You have been so
articulate in such a pleasure to listen to think you'd
talk to thanks. Yes, so I want to listen to
you more over there? All right? You ready to get
to this email, which is very on brand for this

(59:59):
season of the batch er. It is flights for the Bachelor?
Is this from Leah? She asks, I'm dying to know
how are flights booked so quickly after someone decides to
leave or is kicked off the show early? Then you
have an answer for this? Uh there, I mean there's
a whole travel department sometimes. I mean, I know there's
been scenarios. I don't know if you guys heard about

(01:00:21):
this where the person can't leave like right away, like
they have to stay the night or wait till the
evening flight out. It's all an illusion that we leave
right away. No, I mean people do leave, like they
get in a car, they drive to a hotel away
from everybody, and they either stay in the night a
hotel or they jump on a flight the next morning.
But I don't think it's that. I mean it's impressive.
I think it's impressive when you're like in Bali and

(01:00:42):
all of a sudden there's somebody can get like a
flight out of there. I mean, that can't cost that
has to cost the show so much money. I can't
even imagine what their travel expenses are. No wonder we don't. Yeah,
so there's a whole travel team. Somebody gets kicked off.
I'm sure they radio down little Sally Sue is being
sent home. Make sure you get her a flight back

(01:01:02):
to San Francisco tomorrow. And somebody's on it. Yep, I
have one that didn't make the pages in front of you,
if you don't mind, just came in late and she
does not want her name said, so I'll be careful here.
But she says, if you know your partner is getting
you a ring for Christmas, like the ring, what kind
of gift can you possibly get him? I know that
saying yes as a gift, but any ideas of what

(01:01:23):
I can give him that's equally meaningful? Oh my goodness,
I love that question. It is not Jessica. Okay, good
uh like wait for awkward pause, Okay, so, um, I
don't know. I would say, like, it really doesn't have

(01:01:46):
a price tag on it. It can't have a price
tag on it because like, you're not going to get
him whatever the cost of the actual ring is. So
whether it's a token or a momento that sort of
stands for the same thing, which is, you know, togetherness forever,
then you're gonna have to just find what in your
relationship symbolizes that then any other options. I got an

(01:02:08):
easier idea, Yes, well that's what she said, she said,
oldler than saying yes, what's a gift? Yeah, And I
think too she's also wanting to choose him as well,
and I think sometimes that's what's missed in like traditional
proposals of that, like the reciprocation, right, And that's beautiful
that this listener wants to give back to her partner

(01:02:31):
like that. And I love what you said to about
finding something in your relationship that um it symbolizes you know,
your your connection and giving that as a gift. But
also I mean, why can't you also get a ring
as well? And you know, I'm kind of opposed to
him the man engagement ring. My best friend actually just
proposed to her boyfriend of four years this past weekend,

(01:02:53):
which is so funny. But it was kind of a
joke that they always had. She drunkenly one night said
you know what, Rob, I'm going to propose to you
one day, and then she tried to back out of
it for a couple of years. She's like, you know that,
I didn't really mean it. I want you to propose
to me. He's like, nope, you said it, like I'm
sticking to it. So it wasn't like a surprise that
she was the one that got down one ney, but

(01:03:14):
she finally was the one that decided she didn't get
down on one knee. And and she actually she has
a ring for him, but she has a ring for
her too. At the proposal moment, she had a ring
for herself, which was a fair family heirloom. She didn't
buy it for herself, and and he had actually also
asked her dad for permission ahead of time, so there
was a bit of tradition to it. That is sweet.

(01:03:34):
I any kind of like personal framed something or other
collage photos, anything meaningful like that. I think it's a
great idea. Hey, I just want to remind everybody to
come and see you guys life, because you know, you
too are modest. You don't want to sing your own praises,
but I am so lucky I get to sit here
and watch Ben and actually do this lab on a
weekly basis. You need to get in on this. It's

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(01:04:40):
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(01:06:25):
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