August 27, 2024 • 34 mins
We’re down to the final few weeks of Jenn Tran’s season of The Bachelorette and Ben and Ashley are trying to figure out who is *actually* into Jenn!
Jonathon seems like a good choice, but we can’t trust his lack of a sweet tooth! A cheat day for a one on one?? Come on!
And we try to figure out how this season will end… it might be unlike any other Bachelorette season!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with on our radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's almost Famous podcast. We are back with Ashley. Ashley
is back here talking with us today about the latest
episode of GEN season of The Bachelorette. It was a
great episode. A lot happen.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It was a great episode. It was the fastest episode ever.
It was blue, wasn't it? Not? Is because like it
was so substantial, because all the conversations where there's.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
No fluff, there's no fluff. It might have flown too
because there's a lot of freaking commercials.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh there's always there's always forty minutes of commercials for
a two hour episode.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, there's a lot of commercials. Okay. Uh. It is
the Fantasy Sweet Week for GEN season of The Bachelorette. Obviously,
last week I was in San Francisco with a lot
of Bachelor Nation alum. Ashley, you were here breaking down
the latest episode of GEN season with Rachel. I think
(01:00):
after listening to that episode, a lot of the takes,
a lot of the assumptions, a lot of things you
were feeling became accurate during this episode, or at least
were proven true. But let's start with Devon's date Devon's
date is the first date of this episode. Devon has
been a what do you want to say? I mean,
I think we used the word polarizing a lot during
(01:22):
this podcast. I don't know if anybody has represented polarizing
as well as Devon, mostly because it felt like so
much of the season was somebody having an issue with Devon,
but we never really figured out if the issue is
actually with Devon or the issue was with the person
having an issue with Devon.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
With Aaron, it was definitely Aaron's issue.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, Samm definitely Sam's issue. So can we say that
Devon actually, like is a decent dude, Like he's trying
his best here.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, except for don't forget he does like to eat
things that he allergic to. We still address that, you know,
but we were very weirded out by his bio. However,
I really like him.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I don't judge a man on weirdness, I judge a
man on character. I do think after this episode, Devin
has proven to be there for Jin because he really
cares about Jin. Now that's my thought, But Ashley walk
us through this date.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
My biggest well the date was I don't even remember
what do they do? During the date, because all I'm
thinking of is that he was concerned the whole time
about their relationship being one sided and him being so
all in, so in love and then him being afraid
that she's not feeling the same way.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think that's a fair like breakdown. Yeah, of the date,
but the date it was helicopter. Yeah, there's two waterfall dates,
very bachelor Bachelor esque date. Now, they did go to
a waterfall, beautiful views. Hawaii looks gorgeous, which none of
us are shocked by. It's a very beautiful place. They
(03:10):
have a really great evening or day together, and then
a really great evening up until the fact that I
think he is asking her pretty much, do you care
about me as much as I care about you? Because
I care about you a lot, Jen, and I want
you to know that. I want you to be like
very clear that I care about you, I love you.
(03:31):
Can you reciprocate that at all?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And her response, Ashley is her response is I want
to get there with Devin, but I'm not there yet,
which sounds a lot like the way that Marcus feels
towards Jem so kind of have like a love triang
go going on and then she's also like, Devin's giving
(03:55):
me like all the love, He's all in, He's everything
I've ever wanted, and I've never been in this situation before.
It's like, is it too good to be true? Am
I freaking myself out? My take on this is that
she likes Devens. She's if she's not there yet, she's
not going to be there with him, and she's just
(04:17):
it's just sad. It's a sad reality that the two
will never be on the same page. And I think
he is the one to go home this week, even
if he weren't too seemingly based on Lady the last
scene of this episode, probably sudded himself home first, or
at least he's the one that's bringing up the conversation about,
(04:39):
you know, the lack of them being on the same page.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Is it interesting to you at all? Because it was
to me that Yes, I think it's very clear where
her feelings.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Lie, which is with Marcus.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I'd say both Jonathan and Marcus. But it's very clear
she's not there with Devon. She wants to be there
with Devon because she does think that Devon is in
it the most for her. She knows the fantasy Suite,
and it does feel like the reaction the next morning
from the fantasy suite is very positive and I think,
(05:18):
and I could be reading into this too much, but
based on experience, if she's conflicted, which it feels like
she is, she knows where Devon lies, she's not there
herself that next morning after who knows what they did
in the fantasy suite, that's up to the two of them.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
She said that weird thing. I was like, Jen, are
you not telling us something like have you been with
Pete Davidson? Are you just referring to the fact that
Pete Davidson gets a lot of hot women.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's just weird. That was weird. But outside of that,
I would think that she would be a lot more
conflicted in her emotions the next morning, being like, wait,
that was awesome. That was great, like weted, we had
a really great evening and I'm still not there Like
that would be my thought would be how that would transpire,
(06:07):
because she would be up in her own head. But
instead it feels like she's very free in thought, being like, no,
that was great, We're still good, Like I still I
can't tell my love him, you know what?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Ben you're watching it like a viewer, and I watched
it like being on the show, because okay, not to
like put you down or anything.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
No, you should put me down, tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So I was thinking about being in an interview after
a moment like that, and you and I both have
been and sometimes you're just like, I know I should
feel this way, and they're asking me these questions, and
I feel like I just I'm just gonna like say,
(06:53):
I'm just gonna say it the way that they want
me to say it, and I'm gonna be really excited
and really positive about what when just what went down.
But in my gut, I just feel like there's something
a little bit off. Even though the producer behind the
camera I was like, oh my god, Ashley, can you
believe this is happening? Can you? Wasn't that so good?
(07:16):
And I'm like, yeah, it was amazing, it was so good.
And in the back of my head, I'm like, but
there's something off. And I felt like that's what she
was doing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So you think she was communicating there's something off.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
No, I don't think she was communicating it. I think
she was feeling it and not community.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Just felt like it was one of those interviews where
she's like, you know, I don't know, I'm supposed to
really feel it right now, and I'm not one hundred
percent of feeling it, but I'm like ninety percent feeling
I think, so I'm just gonna like go with it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, Devin's the big storyline this episode. I think, as
you mentioned, there is a scene of him probably self
eliminating himself at the start of next episode. I think
Devon is absolutely let's just stick on Devon for this conversation. Obviously,
the interview with Jesse at the bar was brutal. Jess,
(08:14):
my wife, who doesn't watch the show, was standing getting
ready for like bedtime, and she was screaming out from
the bathroom, not watching it, even just hearing him going
send this poor kid home, Like what's what are we doing?
Like let him go? Like he doesn't want to be there.
(08:35):
And I'm like, I actually agree with you, Hun, like
he needs to go home. This isn't for him.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
She's gonna she'll send him home.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Will she?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Though?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Ash?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Because my thought here is is he the only one
actually enter? I mean Jonathan is, I think, oh, I.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Know, yeah, Jonathan is. But I don't know that. He's like,
they're like proposed yet, Well was so crazy, and I
know we'll get to Marcus, but it's well, I'm thinking
about it. She was like, hopefully Marcus he gets there
and like falls in love with me, like in the
next day, so that he feels comfortable proposing in two days.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It's weird. It's like not, it's not how we expect.
I mean, that's why I think our theory of this
ends not how any seasons ever ended. Nobody proposes anybody
and like nobody ends up together is probably still the
path I'd fallen. But it does feel like Devin is
the one dude here who's like, no, I would propose
tomorrow to you, Like I am so into this, And
(09:30):
it does feel like with what I was saying with
Jess is this guy is so into it. He cares
about Jim so much. Yeah, that he needs to go
home because he's not the guy for her, Like he's not.
He is definitely third in this race, and he's gonna
stay third no matter how much he cares about her.
(09:51):
I think she does see it as and you make
sense of it. When she's talking about the interview, she
sees it as this guy is awesome and I'm into
him enough to have him here now. But it's similar
to Caitlin and me where he's where She's like, but
you aren't the guy, and she told me that and
I was like, I'm not the guy. I'm going home,
and she's like that makes sense, and I'm like, I'm
(10:12):
out of here, see you later. That's kind of the
Devon stance, except I think Devon's feelings are a thousand
times more than mine.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So much more.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, and would you make it hard? It would make
it hard, do you.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
What do you think about the fact that they didn't
use him as bachelor now?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I think Grant was just like a very clear choice.
I think if Grant doesn't exist on this show at
this time, I think Devon would be an interesting choice.
I still don't think you'd be it, Devin.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It was the actual, like besides Jen, who they did
a great job, you know, making sure that Jen was
the main character of this season, but like Devon was
the other main character.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I feel like definitely, I mean, at least the most
consistent main character. I think Sam m carried that weight
for a long time, but I think Devon outlasted him
and has definitely been the most recognizable face from the season.
I think he would have a chance. I don't know.
I don't know Devin Well. I think he's changed his
(11:06):
personality a lot from like Night one to now. That's
what made.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Him so interesting. I was telling Rachel last week, is
that like he had almost, yeah, a different not personality,
but like they showed different facets of his personality every episode. Sure,
and we liked him progressing progressively more.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah. Well, I don't know if I could say on
week one I was like, oh, I'm like Devon's I'm
a fan of Devon.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, but we ended up liking him, right.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I do think the thing that has made him the
most likable is the fact that he's in the gin
and he's proven that. Not that he needed to prove it,
but I just think he's proven it. He's very into
this girl and he really loves her, yeah, which, in
my opinion, actually makes his actions on Night one too
(11:53):
now make a lot more sense if we put it
through the lens of no, he was just really endured
the whole time. Then it's like, no, that all stuff
is fair, it's all fair, it's all good. He he
never was wrong. He wasn't trying to, you know, get
more camera time. What he was trying to do is
just get more time with this girl that he's so
infatuated with. Yeah, cares about. Maybe he's a better word
to say, but he's going home. I do think that.
(12:17):
And so it moses on to Jonathan.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Hopefully he's gonna be a big character in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, when it comes back, Jonathan is up. Remember Ben,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
What do you mean? They announced it, they're not going
to go back on it.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Rumors upon rumors upon rumors say it might never come back.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Wait, what than just making up a rumor? Now, okay, Jonathan, Jonathan,
it is funny.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Remember you said that about when I said it was
gonna get canceled. You're like, he's making this up, and
I'm like, no, it's gonna get canceled. And they got
canceled for one summer.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
They took a break. Okay, they were on a break.
They were on a break. Jonathan is mummy man. And
she makes a joke about how like the guy that
was wrapped up Night one is here and we're just
(13:14):
gonna call it is in like second place, And that
is pretty shocking.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
For the guy that wore the most cloth on night one.
That dude wears the shortest shorts on the rest of
the time.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Shows the most skin.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, his dingle's gonna hang out at some point. It
has to be.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
He doesn't even notice this. Why are you the guy
noticing this?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Because he's standing there waiting for her when this date starts.
I'm like, dad, dude, like, he's gotta be careful.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I gotta watch. That's because Ben's watching out because he
knows what happened to him on a waterfall one.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, you just gotta be careful, like all of a
sudden your peekaboo, you know, and you gotta be careful.
So Jonathan wears short shorts and tight T shirts and
he looks good. He's a stud and he.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, he's so cute. Me and Ray she'll have swooned
over him a bit last week.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
There's nothing about Jonathan that is not likable except for
one thing.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
What he doesn't like the sweets, or that he's he'll
take a cheat day when he's on his one on one. Jonathan,
you just went down so many notches in my book
to be like, oh no, you're gonna make me eat donuts.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's one of the benefits. You know,
when you get married, you're like, let's just have some
The just calls it like ice cream for dinner nights.
She loves it, Like you're an adult. Now you're gonna
have ice cream for dinner. Nobody's gonna tell you not to.
It's great. And so he needs to get to that
point in life because nobody wants to be married to
somebody that's like, oh, I can have my cheat day
(14:44):
on Sunday. It's like no, let's just like we're married now,
like let's just have what we want when we want,
and like let the thing work.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
That's such a depressing life, like not let yourself have
dessert every night?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, ice cream, you know, ice cream for dinner.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Shape and still have dessert every night.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Okay, you're fine, don't worry about it. So, but Jonathan
is a stud. He is a nice guy. He is
very likable outside of his weird, sweet, you know behavior.
I personally think that Jonathan would have probably been the
second choice for the Bachelor if Grant wasn't around. If
(15:20):
they didn't choose Grant, I still would.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Have preferred Jonathan just because I know him better.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I also think that Jonathan's getting the edit to be
the one at the end with jin if we didn't
both think that jenn ends up with nobody. He feels
like that kind of mysterious character. Still, like Marcus and
Devin definitely have the bigger storylines. In my opinion, it
feels like Jonathan's kind of like sneaking up through and
(15:47):
making it to this point.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Like Ben as somebody who thinks that Jonathan would be like,
I know, I do this all the time, and it's weird,
but I'm just gonna do it. Of the three of them,
Jonathan is the one that I would be most personally
interested in. However, you know, if I wasn't married and
all that. But when I watch the show, he's the
(16:10):
date that I'm least interested in seeing.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Why is that? Tell me more?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Because Devin is obviously such a character and is so
invested in her, and then Marcus she's so invested in
and it seems like both those situations have so much
tension that as a television viewer, they're more interesting to
watch than Jonathan, who they both like each other, but
(16:38):
it's just not as much of an extreme passion as
the other two situations.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
But what do you say that matches what I was saying,
which is that he is sitting in a position right
now at the fantasy suits where you'd be like, no,
he's definitely one getting chosen.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
He's definitely the one getting chosen to be hers. Yeah,
because there's more mute. I'm because it's more of a
mutual thing, even though perhaps no, just because passion on
the other.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Day kind of flying nthe the radar the show loves,
you know, an underdog, loves the guy that's not the
main character to kind of come up through the you know,
rise like the phoenix and come up through and get
the proposal at the end. I think Jonathan seems like
that guy.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
No, what's making me feel this way is that, like, okay, so,
like you know how we've always said the entire season,
he's not gonna end up with anybody, But now that
picture is clarifying to me. What's gonna happen in my
head is that the beginning of the next episode, Devin
will be sent home. During their conversation, she'll be left
(17:45):
with Jonathan and Marcus. But at some point, and I
don't know whether I don't know how early it'll be
Marcus is going to be like, I can't get there,
I don't actually I don't love her, and I need
to love her by now. Well, actually the shooties, So
I'll continue with this theory.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
So all the theories that are possible are so.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Then Jonathan will remain and she'll know that, like she's
not ready for a proposal with Jonathan, and then she
stops him, because we do see her stop whoever gets
to the altar, and she'll say, I don't want you
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to propose, or that's probably the least that's probably the
most likely scenario.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Okay, it's not, it's not at all.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
No, Okay, so well, well then my other theory. The
other theory is that Marcus actually sticks around. He may
get there, and then he gets out on one day
and she says, no, I know you're not ready for this.
Let's just date.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Devin is the only person who's tall enough to fit
that shot that they show us.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Oh my god, Ben, what you are doing some great
detective work.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
It's the only person, right, the only person then, if
you watch the show, the only person whose shoulder she
comes up to is Devin's. And that scene she's standing
at the shoulder height of whoever's standing in front of her.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
You don't think she sends him home this week? You
just said that.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
See, I don't. I think. I don't know what happens
with him. He has to go home, he has to
self eliminate. I don't know if he comes back. I
don't know if like Jonathan and Marcus in the finale,
bo say hey, we're done, and Devin comes back and
she's like, no, but you two are done still. But
that's it has to be Devon standing there. It has
(19:41):
to be to me.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I know where jebak ahead to the scenes to the
next episode or the scenes from.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
The That's fine because Mark, we've covered Mac.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We're kind of there. Okay. So it does say that
no bachelorette has done this ending, which I wonder if
it's not a French it's not never before a Bachelor history.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Maybe it's because she's just basically pulling the brad walmack
in and saying like, no, we just should all shouldn't
be together.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I think she's staying to all three. I think I
do think Marcus eliminates for a period of time. I
don't think it's forever. I do think he comes back.
It has I mean, I don't know who else that is,
unless it's just great camera work, which could be the
case too. The show has great camera people.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, and they're not beneath or above, but not above
shooting stuff just for promo teazers, not at all. They've
done that before.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Not all, but that would be. My theory is that
Devin still somehow comes back to stand on that altar
with her. I don't know how. I don't think he
stays around for the next week, but I do think
he comes back because he is in love with her,
and the show loves a good storyline where the person
is so in love with the lead that they have
to come back for one more chance. Right many times?
(21:00):
Why not? Now? Why not? In this situation, Ben.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Do you think that Jonathan will get to the point
of being capable of a true proposal.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
No, For whatever reason, they're not connecting with jen. I
don't know why. She seems awesome. I don't know why.
It feels like her final three and maybe even her
final four. Definitely her final four, I would say at
this point, are so far off connecting with her to
a level being like no I could see this at
(21:41):
least existing outside of it.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Besides Devin.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Besides Devin, I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well, let's just get a little bit deeper into the
Marcus thing. So they do this whole tease, And do
you think that they kind of prept him at his
date to go into that dinner and you think the
producers made kind of told him you should act as
if you're about to leave, but then you're going to
twist it and then be like, no, you think that
(22:12):
he actually was that intimidating, like he was that scary
to her to sound like he was legitimately calling it
and then he twists it at the end and is like,
but I want to get there, So let me just
for anybody, Yeah, first.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Off, let me answer the question, do you ask? I
don't think the producers would ever say that in that
way because it would be too much of a tell
on what their interest is. I think what they probably
told Marcus was you have to be honest with her
about where you're at, and he said, okay, that makes
sense being honest. No, And I think the producers knew
(22:50):
that he was going to be honest to the point
where it almost hurt her. And then he'd be like,
but I'm not already go home yet. And because I
do think I can get there, I don't think they
would say, like, figure out a way to make this
story so good that like really wraps her heart up
and then choose her up and then we then she's fine,
she heals No, I just said, hey, Marcus, be yourself,
(23:13):
and he was. And I think he did it for
I think he did it well, not meaning to be
enjoyable for television, but he was.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
It's because you went on and on and on and
it did sound good. And then all of a sudden,
to those of you who didn't watch the episode, when
I'm referring to is this all he's like, is like,
you know what Jen like, I'm just not there.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I'm not in love yet. I'm not in love yet.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I really want to be in love, but I'm not there.
Maybe I can get there by the end. But then
all of a sudden, he's like, maybe I can get
there by the end of the week. I want to
keep trying. And the fact that Jen, in reference to
her feelings towards Devin and Marcus in reference to his
feelings towards Jen, keep saying that they're trying to fall
(23:56):
in love just makes me feel weird. There should be
no trying and falling in love except for I'm also
totally stupid for saying that because Jared had said the
same sort of things.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So Jess and I had this stuff well sure, until
you guys really took it serious. But Jess and I
talked about it last night and I was like, when
did you know you're in love with me? She's like,
probably from our first conversation. And I was like, no,
that's stupid, right, Like She's like, no, I knew from
our first conversation that I didn't want to stop talking
to you, and then over time I realized that was love.
(24:34):
But there was never this moment of like trying to
fall in love with you. And I was like, that
makes sense because with hers not this different or the same.
It was my first date with her that we had
in person. I was like, this girl, I'm I don't
ever want to not see this person in my life now.
I didn't know that was love necessarily, but I was like,
(24:56):
I want to talk to her tomorrow. I want to
talk to her in the next hour. I want to
see her again, I want to hold her. All these
things right, and I think the idea. I think I'm
cool with all this, like I'm falling in love or
I'm almost in love and all those I'm fine with
all that language. What I'm not okay with is the
I'm going to try to fall in love. That feels
(25:18):
weird to me.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That's what feels weird because Jared and I is very similar.
For me. I think I may have been like, give
me more. I wanted more chances, but it wasn't a
try thing because the chances I needed more time, but
it wasn't time. It wasn't like with the effort of trying.
(25:39):
I don't know. There's something about that word try, because
I wanted more time to show him all the sides
of me, because I knew at a point that I
just wasn't comfortable. I was so nervous around him that
I needed more time to show myself.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Because you're just showing your crazy side.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I just there is a difference here,
and it just feels weird that everybody's trying to.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Fall it does. It feels forced, which I don't think
in all the non education I have on love, love
has never been something to be forced Yeah, it's never
been something to be manipulated. It's never been an attempt
in a sense, it's like one of the magical, like sacred,
(26:28):
spiritual moments of life, where like it kind of happens
in moments where you least expect it and you least
maybe even desire it. But the idea that you've known
this girl for this song, that you've had the experiences
you've had with this girl, and now you're sitting at
a place being like, yeah, but we're coming to the end.
I know what the end means, means I need to
(26:51):
be in love to make this thing happen, and so
now I need to try to get there is wild
to me. You should just be eliminiting yourself. It's why
I've always said with this show, Ashley, I'm okay with
a season that ends with no proposal. Do I want it? No,
I want to see a happy ending, But I'm okay
with it because I know it's authentic and true.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah. And are you referring to them just ending up
alone or them ending up like saying let's just date?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah both your way? Yeah, either way, Like, let's just go,
let's move forward in the best way. Possible for everybody.
If it means we end up alone, great the Senate work.
That's sad for all the viewership, Like it's sad for
the lead. It just didn't work. Yeah, Like that's okay.
Doesn't mean anything's wrong with Jin. It just means that
her guy wasn't there. It doesn't mean anything's wrong with
(27:41):
the guys. It just means that they weren't into Gin.
What I want to see in this show is authenticity.
I want to cheer for the story, not the outcome,
the story wherever it leads us. If I would if
at the end I'm SAgs, I'm like, gosh, Gin's going
to be leaving this thing being like yeah, Like I mean,
I as the lead, I know if I would have
(28:03):
left this the show without any connections, I'd be like, yeah,
something's definitely wrong with me. Like this proves it right, Everybody,
Like something's wrong with me. And I don't know what
that is necessarily, but something's wrong with me.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No. No, what I would think is, yeah, I was
given thirty random people and none of them. Of course
my person wasn't in that. Statistically speaking, yeah, that person
wasn't there, and that makes.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Sense authentic if I was authentic with my season, and
I would have had foresight, right, Like, the authentic outcome
for the season I was on would have been nobody.
Like I would have walked away from that thing and
been like, it didn't work because my wife was not there.
The love of my life was not in that mansion
(28:50):
on night one, and that's okay, right, Like that works out,
that's fine. Like that would have been okay. It didn't
play out that way because of other factors and just
the fact that, like maybe you don't have foresight and
you think you know what you're doing and you don't.
All those things I play into it. But what I
want to see is authenticity, and I think this season
is going to show us that, and I think we
have to be supportive of that.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Oh totally. It's almost almost refreshing because, like you said,
it's authentic.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, it's authentic because these guys are saying, Hey, Jen,
no matter how much the producers try to get me there,
I'm not there.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And Devin's going, hey, no matter how much a producer
are telling me to not talk about this, I love
you so much. And she's gonna have to go yeah,
but I don't and that's gonna be hard for her,
but she's gonna do it. Why because they're authentic to
where they're at right now.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, it's almost like we're due for a season like this.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yes, I think so.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And if it didn't happen like that, and she and
if it doesn't happen like that, because again Ben and
I aren't spoiled, we actually don't know what's happening, even
though we do speak on the podcast as if we know.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
For us, I'm not so confident. I'm so.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
If she were to end up with somebody, it would
be so forced that they would obviously end up breaking up.
They would have probably ended up broken up by the
time the you know, after the final Rose airs, and
that would be way more disappointing than the authenticity of
her leaving with no one.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
At this point, I have it compare to a couple
Charity and Dotton.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Right, Yeah, you spend time with them this week.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I was just with them. That couple loves each other
and they've been through some stuff like you can listen
to our show that we're gonna come out with With
two of them, it sounds like minor things like Dance
with the Stars and being in La and all that stuff.
Those are big deals to them as a couple. Right.
It meant moving, it meant change of jobs, it meant
lack of stability, It meant you know, one person being
(30:50):
gone all the time. And you know what they did
at the end of it, They went to couples counseling.
They talk about it. This isn't me sharing something they
don't talk about. And at the and of like, as
they go through that, they're like, I love you so much,
Like nothing's gonna come in the way of us as
a couple. That that is something we should celebrate. That
(31:11):
is a moment from the show that we're like, it worked. However,
we should also celebrate the moments of the show where
it's like, hey, it didn't work, that's okay, totally.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
All right, Well guys, uh, we have men tell all
which you know Ben and I love not really.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
It's just gonna be a sam m bash. He's gonna
look terrible. I already know it. Everybody's gonna be like, dude,
you're crazy. It's actually gonna be the sam Bash. Sam
In and sam m are gonna walk out of the
thing being like, yeah, nobody liked me.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Okay, but also, Ben, do this right now because I
want to watch your reaction. Go to sam EN's Instagram.
He has the funniest real out his dad. Okay, hold on, okay,
right here. It has sixty one million views, more views
(32:09):
by tens of millions than my highest viewed reel of
all time. It looks like this. Go to his reels
and then it's his point of view using the bathroom
right after your dad, His poor dad. It's so funny.
His dad was in on it. Come on, look at
this man's face.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
No, it's great.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
All right, guys, go to Sam and you out there now.
Go to Sam's Instagram and click this reel of it
says point of view using the bathroom right after your dad.
It's so funny. And he has a lot of reels
that are funny and they're very self aware and self deprecating.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And it makes me like, yeah, because I just see
him saying starboy and blessed and I see one and
it says like, for me, I think this dude's trying
really hard.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
He might be trying really hard because he's like, you know,
a bachelor guy on Instagram. But there was some that
was like the Persian kid who gets like a glow
up and like they show, he shows old photos of himself.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, and he wants a d n fabudy comment about
how good looking he is. Now, that's not him being
self deprecating. That's him trying to build himself up, which
is cool too. Go do a buddy if you need it,
but like, let's not call it self deprecating.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I mean, maybe you're right, Ben, but in his Instagram
they'd be like him a little bit more. That's all
I gotta say. That's all I'm saying. It certainly didn't
win Ben over. We'll see how he is on mentel All,
all right, so we yeah, we'll recap mentel All, even
though it's our least favorite to recap, and that is
(33:53):
almost see you next.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, we'll see it then. Until then, By the way,
we have some great content coming from San franc to
be airing all week, some really incredible interviews, so make
sure you tune in and listen. We'll be here from
mentel All. We'll break it down, we'll watch it. We'll
make sure it's all, you know, tight and kept up
for all the listeners. It's not our favorite episode because
(34:17):
I do think it's just a bash, and I don't
think that's great and only it's fun. It's not fun
to watch, it's not fun to be a part of.
But it's gonna happen because the show is gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Nothing ever comes of it. It's just a rehash of
what we already saw.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So the rehash the moment to make a statement for Paradise,
which Ashley thinks is coming back. So until next time,
I've been Ben.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
All right, Well, when we turn off this, Mike, you're
gonna tell me why you're so convinced that it's not.
Also really glad that with mentel all we have a
little part of Devin attached to it, so that'll make
the episode worth it. Bye, guys, I've been Ashley.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's almost Famous podcast. We are back with Ashley. Ashley
is back here talking with us today about the latest
episode of GEN season of The Bachelorette. It was a
great episode. A lot happen.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It was a great episode. It was the fastest episode ever.
It was blue, wasn't it? Not? Is because like it
was so substantial, because all the conversations where there's.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
No fluff, there's no fluff. It might have flown too
because there's a lot of freaking commercials.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh there's always there's always forty minutes of commercials for
a two hour episode.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, there's a lot of commercials. Okay. Uh. It is
the Fantasy Sweet Week for GEN season of The Bachelorette. Obviously,
last week I was in San Francisco with a lot
of Bachelor Nation alum. Ashley, you were here breaking down
the latest episode of GEN season with Rachel. I think
(01:00):
after listening to that episode, a lot of the takes,
a lot of the assumptions, a lot of things you
were feeling became accurate during this episode, or at least
were proven true. But let's start with Devon's date Devon's
date is the first date of this episode. Devon has
been a what do you want to say? I mean,
I think we used the word polarizing a lot during
(01:22):
this podcast. I don't know if anybody has represented polarizing
as well as Devon, mostly because it felt like so
much of the season was somebody having an issue with Devon,
but we never really figured out if the issue is
actually with Devon or the issue was with the person
having an issue with Devon.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
With Aaron, it was definitely Aaron's issue.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, Samm definitely Sam's issue. So can we say that
Devon actually, like is a decent dude, Like he's trying
his best here.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, except for don't forget he does like to eat
things that he allergic to. We still address that, you know,
but we were very weirded out by his bio. However,
I really like him.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I don't judge a man on weirdness, I judge a
man on character. I do think after this episode, Devin
has proven to be there for Jin because he really
cares about Jin. Now that's my thought, But Ashley walk
us through this date.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
My biggest well the date was I don't even remember
what do they do? During the date, because all I'm
thinking of is that he was concerned the whole time
about their relationship being one sided and him being so
all in, so in love and then him being afraid
that she's not feeling the same way.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think that's a fair like breakdown. Yeah, of the date,
but the date it was helicopter. Yeah, there's two waterfall dates,
very bachelor Bachelor esque date. Now, they did go to
a waterfall, beautiful views. Hawaii looks gorgeous, which none of
us are shocked by. It's a very beautiful place. They
(03:10):
have a really great evening or day together, and then
a really great evening up until the fact that I
think he is asking her pretty much, do you care
about me as much as I care about you? Because
I care about you a lot, Jen, and I want
you to know that. I want you to be like
very clear that I care about you, I love you.
(03:31):
Can you reciprocate that at all?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And her response, Ashley is her response is I want
to get there with Devin, but I'm not there yet,
which sounds a lot like the way that Marcus feels
towards Jem so kind of have like a love triang
go going on and then she's also like, Devin's giving
(03:55):
me like all the love, He's all in, He's everything
I've ever wanted, and I've never been in this situation before.
It's like, is it too good to be true? Am
I freaking myself out? My take on this is that
she likes Devens. She's if she's not there yet, she's
not going to be there with him, and she's just
(04:17):
it's just sad. It's a sad reality that the two
will never be on the same page. And I think
he is the one to go home this week, even
if he weren't too seemingly based on Lady the last
scene of this episode, probably sudded himself home first, or
at least he's the one that's bringing up the conversation about,
(04:39):
you know, the lack of them being on the same page.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Is it interesting to you at all? Because it was
to me that Yes, I think it's very clear where
her feelings.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Lie, which is with Marcus.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I'd say both Jonathan and Marcus. But it's very clear
she's not there with Devon. She wants to be there
with Devon because she does think that Devon is in
it the most for her. She knows the fantasy Suite,
and it does feel like the reaction the next morning
from the fantasy suite is very positive and I think,
(05:18):
and I could be reading into this too much, but
based on experience, if she's conflicted, which it feels like
she is, she knows where Devon lies, she's not there
herself that next morning after who knows what they did
in the fantasy suite, that's up to the two of them.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
She said that weird thing. I was like, Jen, are
you not telling us something like have you been with
Pete Davidson? Are you just referring to the fact that
Pete Davidson gets a lot of hot women.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's just weird. That was weird. But outside of that,
I would think that she would be a lot more
conflicted in her emotions the next morning, being like, wait,
that was awesome. That was great, like weted, we had
a really great evening and I'm still not there Like
that would be my thought would be how that would transpire,
(06:07):
because she would be up in her own head. But
instead it feels like she's very free in thought, being like, no,
that was great, We're still good, Like I still I
can't tell my love him, you know what?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Ben you're watching it like a viewer, and I watched
it like being on the show, because okay, not to
like put you down or anything.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
No, you should put me down, tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So I was thinking about being in an interview after
a moment like that, and you and I both have
been and sometimes you're just like, I know I should
feel this way, and they're asking me these questions, and
I feel like I just I'm just gonna like say,
(06:53):
I'm just gonna say it the way that they want
me to say it, and I'm gonna be really excited
and really positive about what when just what went down.
But in my gut, I just feel like there's something
a little bit off. Even though the producer behind the
camera I was like, oh my god, Ashley, can you
believe this is happening? Can you? Wasn't that so good?
(07:16):
And I'm like, yeah, it was amazing, it was so good.
And in the back of my head, I'm like, but
there's something off. And I felt like that's what she
was doing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So you think she was communicating there's something off.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
No, I don't think she was communicating it. I think
she was feeling it and not community.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Just felt like it was one of those interviews where
she's like, you know, I don't know, I'm supposed to
really feel it right now, and I'm not one hundred
percent of feeling it, but I'm like ninety percent feeling
I think, so I'm just gonna like go with it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, Devin's the big storyline this episode. I think, as
you mentioned, there is a scene of him probably self
eliminating himself at the start of next episode. I think
Devon is absolutely let's just stick on Devon for this conversation. Obviously,
the interview with Jesse at the bar was brutal. Jess,
(08:14):
my wife, who doesn't watch the show, was standing getting
ready for like bedtime, and she was screaming out from
the bathroom, not watching it, even just hearing him going
send this poor kid home, Like what's what are we doing?
Like let him go? Like he doesn't want to be there.
(08:35):
And I'm like, I actually agree with you, Hun, like
he needs to go home. This isn't for him.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
She's gonna she'll send him home.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Will she?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Though?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Ash?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Because my thought here is is he the only one
actually enter? I mean Jonathan is, I think, oh, I.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Know, yeah, Jonathan is. But I don't know that. He's like,
they're like proposed yet, Well was so crazy, and I
know we'll get to Marcus, but it's well, I'm thinking
about it. She was like, hopefully Marcus he gets there
and like falls in love with me, like in the
next day, so that he feels comfortable proposing in two days.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It's weird. It's like not, it's not how we expect.
I mean, that's why I think our theory of this
ends not how any seasons ever ended. Nobody proposes anybody
and like nobody ends up together is probably still the
path I'd fallen. But it does feel like Devin is
the one dude here who's like, no, I would propose
tomorrow to you, Like I am so into this, And
(09:30):
it does feel like with what I was saying with
Jess is this guy is so into it. He cares
about Jim so much. Yeah, that he needs to go
home because he's not the guy for her, Like he's not.
He is definitely third in this race, and he's gonna
stay third no matter how much he cares about her.
(09:51):
I think she does see it as and you make
sense of it. When she's talking about the interview, she
sees it as this guy is awesome and I'm into
him enough to have him here now. But it's similar
to Caitlin and me where he's where She's like, but
you aren't the guy, and she told me that and
I was like, I'm not the guy. I'm going home,
and she's like that makes sense, and I'm like, I'm
(10:12):
out of here, see you later. That's kind of the
Devon stance, except I think Devon's feelings are a thousand
times more than mine.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So much more.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, and would you make it hard? It would make
it hard, do you.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
What do you think about the fact that they didn't
use him as bachelor now?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I think Grant was just like a very clear choice.
I think if Grant doesn't exist on this show at
this time, I think Devon would be an interesting choice.
I still don't think you'd be it, Devin.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It was the actual, like besides Jen, who they did
a great job, you know, making sure that Jen was
the main character of this season, but like Devon was
the other main character.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I feel like definitely, I mean, at least the most
consistent main character. I think Sam m carried that weight
for a long time, but I think Devon outlasted him
and has definitely been the most recognizable face from the season.
I think he would have a chance. I don't know.
I don't know Devin Well. I think he's changed his
(11:06):
personality a lot from like Night one to now. That's
what made.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Him so interesting. I was telling Rachel last week, is
that like he had almost, yeah, a different not personality,
but like they showed different facets of his personality every episode. Sure,
and we liked him progressing progressively more.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah. Well, I don't know if I could say on
week one I was like, oh, I'm like Devon's I'm
a fan of Devon.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, but we ended up liking him, right.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I do think the thing that has made him the
most likable is the fact that he's in the gin
and he's proven that. Not that he needed to prove it,
but I just think he's proven it. He's very into
this girl and he really loves her, yeah, which, in
my opinion, actually makes his actions on Night one too
(11:53):
now make a lot more sense if we put it
through the lens of no, he was just really endured
the whole time. Then it's like, no, that all stuff
is fair, it's all fair, it's all good. He he
never was wrong. He wasn't trying to, you know, get
more camera time. What he was trying to do is
just get more time with this girl that he's so
infatuated with. Yeah, cares about. Maybe he's a better word
to say, but he's going home. I do think that.
(12:17):
And so it moses on to Jonathan.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Hopefully he's gonna be a big character in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, when it comes back, Jonathan is up. Remember Ben,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
What do you mean? They announced it, they're not going
to go back on it.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Rumors upon rumors upon rumors say it might never come back.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Wait, what than just making up a rumor? Now, okay, Jonathan, Jonathan,
it is funny.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Remember you said that about when I said it was
gonna get canceled. You're like, he's making this up, and
I'm like, no, it's gonna get canceled. And they got
canceled for one summer.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
They took a break. Okay, they were on a break.
They were on a break. Jonathan is mummy man. And
she makes a joke about how like the guy that
was wrapped up Night one is here and we're just
(13:14):
gonna call it is in like second place, And that
is pretty shocking.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
For the guy that wore the most cloth on night one.
That dude wears the shortest shorts on the rest of
the time.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Shows the most skin.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, his dingle's gonna hang out at some point. It
has to be.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
He doesn't even notice this. Why are you the guy
noticing this?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Because he's standing there waiting for her when this date starts.
I'm like, dad, dude, like, he's gotta be careful.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I gotta watch. That's because Ben's watching out because he
knows what happened to him on a waterfall one.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, you just gotta be careful, like all of a
sudden your peekaboo, you know, and you gotta be careful.
So Jonathan wears short shorts and tight T shirts and
he looks good. He's a stud and he.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, he's so cute. Me and Ray she'll have swooned
over him a bit last week.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
There's nothing about Jonathan that is not likable except for
one thing.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
What he doesn't like the sweets, or that he's he'll
take a cheat day when he's on his one on one. Jonathan,
you just went down so many notches in my book
to be like, oh no, you're gonna make me eat donuts.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's one of the benefits. You know,
when you get married, you're like, let's just have some
The just calls it like ice cream for dinner nights.
She loves it, Like you're an adult. Now you're gonna
have ice cream for dinner. Nobody's gonna tell you not to.
It's great. And so he needs to get to that
point in life because nobody wants to be married to
somebody that's like, oh, I can have my cheat day
(14:44):
on Sunday. It's like no, let's just like we're married now,
like let's just have what we want when we want,
and like let the thing work.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
That's such a depressing life, like not let yourself have
dessert every night?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, ice cream, you know, ice cream for dinner.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Shape and still have dessert every night.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Okay, you're fine, don't worry about it. So, but Jonathan
is a stud. He is a nice guy. He is
very likable outside of his weird, sweet, you know behavior.
I personally think that Jonathan would have probably been the
second choice for the Bachelor if Grant wasn't around. If
(15:20):
they didn't choose Grant, I still would.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Have preferred Jonathan just because I know him better.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I also think that Jonathan's getting the edit to be
the one at the end with jin if we didn't
both think that jenn ends up with nobody. He feels
like that kind of mysterious character. Still, like Marcus and
Devin definitely have the bigger storylines. In my opinion, it
feels like Jonathan's kind of like sneaking up through and
(15:47):
making it to this point.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Like Ben as somebody who thinks that Jonathan would be like,
I know, I do this all the time, and it's weird,
but I'm just gonna do it. Of the three of them,
Jonathan is the one that I would be most personally
interested in. However, you know, if I wasn't married and
all that. But when I watch the show, he's the
(16:10):
date that I'm least interested in seeing.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Why is that? Tell me more?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Because Devin is obviously such a character and is so
invested in her, and then Marcus she's so invested in
and it seems like both those situations have so much
tension that as a television viewer, they're more interesting to
watch than Jonathan, who they both like each other, but
(16:38):
it's just not as much of an extreme passion as
the other two situations.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
But what do you say that matches what I was saying,
which is that he is sitting in a position right
now at the fantasy suits where you'd be like, no,
he's definitely one getting chosen.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
He's definitely the one getting chosen to be hers. Yeah,
because there's more mute. I'm because it's more of a
mutual thing, even though perhaps no, just because passion on
the other.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Day kind of flying nthe the radar the show loves,
you know, an underdog, loves the guy that's not the
main character to kind of come up through the you know,
rise like the phoenix and come up through and get
the proposal at the end. I think Jonathan seems like
that guy.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
No, what's making me feel this way is that, like, okay, so,
like you know how we've always said the entire season,
he's not gonna end up with anybody, But now that
picture is clarifying to me. What's gonna happen in my
head is that the beginning of the next episode, Devin
will be sent home. During their conversation, she'll be left
(17:45):
with Jonathan and Marcus. But at some point, and I
don't know whether I don't know how early it'll be
Marcus is going to be like, I can't get there,
I don't actually I don't love her, and I need
to love her by now. Well, actually the shooties, So
I'll continue with this theory.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
So all the theories that are possible are so.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Then Jonathan will remain and she'll know that, like she's
not ready for a proposal with Jonathan, and then she
stops him, because we do see her stop whoever gets
to the altar, and she'll say, I don't want you
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to propose, or that's probably the least that's probably the
most likely scenario.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Okay, it's not, it's not at all.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
No, Okay, so well, well then my other theory. The
other theory is that Marcus actually sticks around. He may
get there, and then he gets out on one day
and she says, no, I know you're not ready for this.
Let's just date.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Devin is the only person who's tall enough to fit
that shot that they show us.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Oh my god, Ben, what you are doing some great
detective work.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
It's the only person, right, the only person then, if
you watch the show, the only person whose shoulder she
comes up to is Devin's. And that scene she's standing
at the shoulder height of whoever's standing in front of her.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
You don't think she sends him home this week? You
just said that.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
See, I don't. I think. I don't know what happens
with him. He has to go home, he has to
self eliminate. I don't know if he comes back. I
don't know if like Jonathan and Marcus in the finale,
bo say hey, we're done, and Devin comes back and
she's like, no, but you two are done still. But
that's it has to be Devon standing there. It has
(19:41):
to be to me.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I know where jebak ahead to the scenes to the
next episode or the scenes from.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
The That's fine because Mark, we've covered Mac.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We're kind of there. Okay. So it does say that
no bachelorette has done this ending, which I wonder if
it's not a French it's not never before a Bachelor history.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Maybe it's because she's just basically pulling the brad walmack
in and saying like, no, we just should all shouldn't
be together.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I think she's staying to all three. I think I
do think Marcus eliminates for a period of time. I
don't think it's forever. I do think he comes back.
It has I mean, I don't know who else that is,
unless it's just great camera work, which could be the
case too. The show has great camera people.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, and they're not beneath or above, but not above
shooting stuff just for promo teazers, not at all. They've
done that before.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Not all, but that would be. My theory is that
Devin still somehow comes back to stand on that altar
with her. I don't know how. I don't think he
stays around for the next week, but I do think
he comes back because he is in love with her,
and the show loves a good storyline where the person
is so in love with the lead that they have
to come back for one more chance. Right many times?
(21:00):
Why not? Now? Why not? In this situation, Ben.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Do you think that Jonathan will get to the point
of being capable of a true proposal.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
No, For whatever reason, they're not connecting with jen. I
don't know why. She seems awesome. I don't know why.
It feels like her final three and maybe even her
final four. Definitely her final four, I would say at
this point, are so far off connecting with her to
a level being like no I could see this at
(21:41):
least existing outside of it.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Besides Devin.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Besides Devin, I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well, let's just get a little bit deeper into the
Marcus thing. So they do this whole tease, And do
you think that they kind of prept him at his
date to go into that dinner and you think the
producers made kind of told him you should act as
if you're about to leave, but then you're going to
twist it and then be like, no, you think that
(22:12):
he actually was that intimidating, like he was that scary
to her to sound like he was legitimately calling it
and then he twists it at the end and is like,
but I want to get there, So let me just
for anybody, Yeah, first.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Off, let me answer the question, do you ask? I
don't think the producers would ever say that in that
way because it would be too much of a tell
on what their interest is. I think what they probably
told Marcus was you have to be honest with her
about where you're at, and he said, okay, that makes
sense being honest. No, And I think the producers knew
(22:50):
that he was going to be honest to the point
where it almost hurt her. And then he'd be like,
but I'm not already go home yet. And because I
do think I can get there, I don't think they
would say, like, figure out a way to make this
story so good that like really wraps her heart up
and then choose her up and then we then she's fine,
she heals No, I just said, hey, Marcus, be yourself,
(23:13):
and he was. And I think he did it for
I think he did it well, not meaning to be
enjoyable for television, but he was.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
It's because you went on and on and on and
it did sound good. And then all of a sudden,
to those of you who didn't watch the episode, when
I'm referring to is this all he's like, is like,
you know what Jen like, I'm just not there.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I'm not in love yet. I'm not in love yet.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I really want to be in love, but I'm not there.
Maybe I can get there by the end. But then
all of a sudden, he's like, maybe I can get
there by the end of the week. I want to
keep trying. And the fact that Jen, in reference to
her feelings towards Devin and Marcus in reference to his
feelings towards Jen, keep saying that they're trying to fall
(23:56):
in love just makes me feel weird. There should be
no trying and falling in love except for I'm also
totally stupid for saying that because Jared had said the
same sort of things.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So Jess and I had this stuff well sure, until
you guys really took it serious. But Jess and I
talked about it last night and I was like, when
did you know you're in love with me? She's like,
probably from our first conversation. And I was like, no,
that's stupid, right, Like She's like, no, I knew from
our first conversation that I didn't want to stop talking
to you, and then over time I realized that was love.
(24:34):
But there was never this moment of like trying to
fall in love with you. And I was like, that
makes sense because with hers not this different or the same.
It was my first date with her that we had
in person. I was like, this girl, I'm I don't
ever want to not see this person in my life now.
I didn't know that was love necessarily, but I was like,
(24:56):
I want to talk to her tomorrow. I want to
talk to her in the next hour. I want to
see her again, I want to hold her. All these
things right, and I think the idea. I think I'm
cool with all this, like I'm falling in love or
I'm almost in love and all those I'm fine with
all that language. What I'm not okay with is the
I'm going to try to fall in love. That feels
(25:18):
weird to me.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That's what feels weird because Jared and I is very similar.
For me. I think I may have been like, give
me more. I wanted more chances, but it wasn't a
try thing because the chances I needed more time, but
it wasn't time. It wasn't like with the effort of trying.
(25:39):
I don't know. There's something about that word try, because
I wanted more time to show him all the sides
of me, because I knew at a point that I
just wasn't comfortable. I was so nervous around him that
I needed more time to show myself.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Because you're just showing your crazy side.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I just there is a difference here,
and it just feels weird that everybody's trying to.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Fall it does. It feels forced, which I don't think
in all the non education I have on love, love
has never been something to be forced Yeah, it's never
been something to be manipulated. It's never been an attempt
in a sense, it's like one of the magical, like sacred,
(26:28):
spiritual moments of life, where like it kind of happens
in moments where you least expect it and you least
maybe even desire it. But the idea that you've known
this girl for this song, that you've had the experiences
you've had with this girl, and now you're sitting at
a place being like, yeah, but we're coming to the end.
I know what the end means, means I need to
(26:51):
be in love to make this thing happen, and so
now I need to try to get there is wild
to me. You should just be eliminiting yourself. It's why
I've always said with this show, Ashley, I'm okay with
a season that ends with no proposal. Do I want it? No,
I want to see a happy ending, But I'm okay
with it because I know it's authentic and true.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah. And are you referring to them just ending up
alone or them ending up like saying let's just date?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah both your way? Yeah, either way, Like, let's just go,
let's move forward in the best way. Possible for everybody.
If it means we end up alone, great the Senate work.
That's sad for all the viewership, Like it's sad for
the lead. It just didn't work. Yeah, Like that's okay.
Doesn't mean anything's wrong with Jin. It just means that
her guy wasn't there. It doesn't mean anything's wrong with
(27:41):
the guys. It just means that they weren't into Gin.
What I want to see in this show is authenticity.
I want to cheer for the story, not the outcome,
the story wherever it leads us. If I would if
at the end I'm SAgs, I'm like, gosh, Gin's going
to be leaving this thing being like yeah, Like I mean,
I as the lead, I know if I would have
(28:03):
left this the show without any connections, I'd be like, yeah,
something's definitely wrong with me. Like this proves it right, Everybody,
Like something's wrong with me. And I don't know what
that is necessarily, but something's wrong with me.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No. No, what I would think is, yeah, I was
given thirty random people and none of them. Of course
my person wasn't in that. Statistically speaking, yeah, that person
wasn't there, and that makes.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Sense authentic if I was authentic with my season, and
I would have had foresight, right, Like, the authentic outcome
for the season I was on would have been nobody.
Like I would have walked away from that thing and
been like, it didn't work because my wife was not there.
The love of my life was not in that mansion
(28:50):
on night one, and that's okay, right, Like that works out,
that's fine. Like that would have been okay. It didn't
play out that way because of other factors and just
the fact that, like maybe you don't have foresight and
you think you know what you're doing and you don't.
All those things I play into it. But what I
want to see is authenticity, and I think this season
is going to show us that, and I think we
have to be supportive of that.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Oh totally. It's almost almost refreshing because, like you said,
it's authentic.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, it's authentic because these guys are saying, Hey, Jen,
no matter how much the producers try to get me there,
I'm not there.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And Devin's going, hey, no matter how much a producer
are telling me to not talk about this, I love
you so much. And she's gonna have to go yeah,
but I don't and that's gonna be hard for her,
but she's gonna do it. Why because they're authentic to
where they're at right now.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, it's almost like we're due for a season like this.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yes, I think so.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And if it didn't happen like that, and she and
if it doesn't happen like that, because again Ben and
I aren't spoiled, we actually don't know what's happening, even
though we do speak on the podcast as if we know.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
For us, I'm not so confident. I'm so.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
If she were to end up with somebody, it would
be so forced that they would obviously end up breaking up.
They would have probably ended up broken up by the
time the you know, after the final Rose airs, and
that would be way more disappointing than the authenticity of
her leaving with no one.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
At this point, I have it compare to a couple
Charity and Dotton.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Right, Yeah, you spend time with them this week.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I was just with them. That couple loves each other
and they've been through some stuff like you can listen
to our show that we're gonna come out with With
two of them, it sounds like minor things like Dance
with the Stars and being in La and all that stuff.
Those are big deals to them as a couple. Right.
It meant moving, it meant change of jobs, it meant
lack of stability, It meant you know, one person being
(30:50):
gone all the time. And you know what they did
at the end of it, They went to couples counseling.
They talk about it. This isn't me sharing something they
don't talk about. And at the and of like, as
they go through that, they're like, I love you so much,
Like nothing's gonna come in the way of us as
a couple. That that is something we should celebrate. That
(31:11):
is a moment from the show that we're like, it worked. However,
we should also celebrate the moments of the show where
it's like, hey, it didn't work, that's okay, totally.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
All right, Well guys, uh, we have men tell all
which you know Ben and I love not really.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
It's just gonna be a sam m bash. He's gonna
look terrible. I already know it. Everybody's gonna be like, dude,
you're crazy. It's actually gonna be the sam Bash. Sam
In and sam m are gonna walk out of the
thing being like, yeah, nobody liked me.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Okay, but also, Ben, do this right now because I
want to watch your reaction. Go to sam EN's Instagram.
He has the funniest real out his dad. Okay, hold on, okay,
right here. It has sixty one million views, more views
(32:09):
by tens of millions than my highest viewed reel of
all time. It looks like this. Go to his reels
and then it's his point of view using the bathroom
right after your dad, His poor dad. It's so funny.
His dad was in on it. Come on, look at
this man's face.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
No, it's great.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
All right, guys, go to Sam and you out there now.
Go to Sam's Instagram and click this reel of it
says point of view using the bathroom right after your dad.
It's so funny. And he has a lot of reels
that are funny and they're very self aware and self deprecating.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And it makes me like, yeah, because I just see
him saying starboy and blessed and I see one and
it says like, for me, I think this dude's trying
really hard.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
He might be trying really hard because he's like, you know,
a bachelor guy on Instagram. But there was some that
was like the Persian kid who gets like a glow
up and like they show, he shows old photos of himself.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, and he wants a d n fabudy comment about
how good looking he is. Now, that's not him being
self deprecating. That's him trying to build himself up, which
is cool too. Go do a buddy if you need it,
but like, let's not call it self deprecating.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I mean, maybe you're right, Ben, but in his Instagram
they'd be like him a little bit more. That's all
I gotta say. That's all I'm saying. It certainly didn't
win Ben over. We'll see how he is on mentel All,
all right, so we yeah, we'll recap mentel All, even
though it's our least favorite to recap, and that is
(33:53):
almost see you next.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, we'll see it then. Until then, By the way,
we have some great content coming from San franc to
be airing all week, some really incredible interviews, so make
sure you tune in and listen. We'll be here from
mentel All. We'll break it down, we'll watch it. We'll
make sure it's all, you know, tight and kept up
for all the listeners. It's not our favorite episode because
(34:17):
I do think it's just a bash, and I don't
think that's great and only it's fun. It's not fun
to watch, it's not fun to be a part of.
But it's gonna happen because the show is gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Nothing ever comes of it. It's just a rehash of
what we already saw.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So the rehash the moment to make a statement for Paradise,
which Ashley thinks is coming back. So until next time,
I've been Ben.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
All right, Well, when we turn off this, Mike, you're
gonna tell me why you're so convinced that it's not.
Also really glad that with mentel all we have a
little part of Devin attached to it, so that'll make
the episode worth it. Bye, guys, I've been Ashley.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
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