December 22, 2025 • 46 mins
Ben and Ashley are ready to get the full story of what happened with Grant from the woman at the center of it all: Julianna Pasquarosa.
She spills everything about their relationship post The Bachelor and what he was like when the cameras were off.
Plus, find out what shocking thing Grant did with Julianna AFTER they broke up!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's almost famous podcast. Today we are here with you
bringing you some very very I'm actually Ashley very excited
to talk to this person, because we're always excited to
talk to somebody new. But there's people that have captivated us,
(00:26):
people that I just want to know what they know.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
That's what that is? This one, I just need to
know what she was in her brain.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I don't know if we'll get there, but we've had Letia,
Carolina and Grant for the most recent season on You
can go back and listen to those episodes. I'll tell
you they're interesting. All of them are interesting in their
own ways, some funny, some off the wall, some serious,
and some somewhat confusing. And today it's like we're getting
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the final piece of this puzzle. Yes, our guest today is,
of course the woman that Grant chose lucky. Here we're
talking about Juliana. Juliana, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Thanks for having me, guys, Juliana, welcome to the podcast
that rose Grant all the time. I'm I'm sure we're
not unique in that, and we are sorry. Ben was
the one who did the interview with him a couple
like about a month ago, and I was, I was,
And he was supposed to come on a couple.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Of weeks ago, like a week or so ago, and
he didn't show. Didn't show, So leave that to your imagination.
I think he didn't want to talk to me. I've
been hard than.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
If you can't praise the critics, you can't do baby,
gotta take it.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Oh my gosh, Juliana, you were on recently with Joe
and Serena, and there was a lingering question that I
certainly had after that, and that was.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
What happened with the hotel.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Hell fight that you guys had after the final rowse
How did it get reconciled?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah, Okay, I mean I think I think that I
probably like didn't provide enough context.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I think I was trying to answer a question.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
And that's why we have you here.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeah, bit of like a roundabout way without spilling too
much tea, but giving some insight as to like when
I first started to have doubts. You know, we got
through that that argument. It was just like the moment
for me was like how is this happening to me?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Like?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
How did I end up here? This morning I'm feeling alone.
You're kind of like creating that space and also making
me feel like I wasn't going to be supported. The
hotel fight was was really just you know that phrase,
I think I'm gonna butcher it. But it's like when
you're with somebody to the public, you'll always kind of
(02:59):
like pret them and stand up for them, but then
behind closed doors you can have those conversations and maybe
call them out for things that you need to. I
think that's what I was trying to do through a
lot of this, and so people, you know, didn't see
me holding him accountable or thought that we were ganging
up on Latia and creating this narrative, and I think
(03:21):
ultimately I was just in a protector mode for him,
and then behind closed doors, especially after the finale, and
when I was able to watch how he handled it
with Latia on stage because I saw the you know,
I already saw the final episode before the finale, it
was just how he handled it. I think that that's
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what caused me a lot of frustration, was the lack
of accountability from him. I think she was a little
harsh if if that's just my opinion, but I think
he could have. I think he did the best he could,
but I think there was a little bit of lack
of accountability there. And then I kind of I kind
of came at him a little bit for it, and
(04:04):
I was really frustrated, and I was like, well, now
we have to do a you know, like we have
to carry that forward. And I would love for you
to hold yourself a little bit higher in the sense that,
you know, admitting where you went wrong and what you
said wrong and validating her feelings of feeling led on,
you know, and that just wasn't the way things were going.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
So we were not on the same page.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Once the finale kind of aired, and yeah, that was
just like one piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I Ashley, can I can I just have a conversation
with Juliana for a second.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, I just jumped right into it. So let's backtrack
or do whatever this is track?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, this is just she's reminding me of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, if anybody knows what it feels like to
lead some on this show, I think I would be
the one to say I did it best or worst? Yeah,
And I mean I can go both ways, right, Like
I did, I know I did I mean, that's exactly
what I did, and it was unfair to Jojo at
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the time, but it did cause Lauren a lot of pain,
I think because she had to answer questions about it
for me, and I think when you are together, I
think you just said it. And I think that's what
reminded me is in the public you want to support
your partner. Behind closed doors, though, you need to hold
your partner accountable, and I remember many moments where she
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would do that and there was a lot of like,
it's a weird conversation to have. I'm going off on
a tangent here, but you just reminded me of so
much during that time. It's a weird conversation to have
with the person that you're with to be like, hey,
you need to also be like more respectful to the
(05:59):
person that you broke up with when we were like
figuring this thing out, and I think at the time
it was really hard to process, like, Okay, how much
do I talk about with this with Lauren about you know, Jojo?
How much do I not talk about? What do I
say to Jojo? Do I send her a text to say, hey,
I'm sorry for how things went down? Is that inappropriate?
There was a lot there, but you need a partner
(06:19):
to kind of step in with you. I want to
go back a little bit though. I remember when I
first felt like Lauren was thrown off was like the
night after our proposal on the show. It was the
next day when we were like, She's like, okay, so
what do we do now? And I'm like, I don't
(06:40):
really know what we do now, Like I'm my middle
name is Edward, and here's my phone number, and I
hope this works. There was a lot happening, yeah, and
so can we go back to like next day for you?
It wasn't I expected this whole show to end in
this like fairy tale where the next morning you wake
up up and everybody's happy and you're like, look at
(07:01):
this beautiful thing that happened if in it, and I
know why it wasn't this way. It felt very opposite
of that. It felt very much like, okay, now let's
get to know each other.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And also, can you explain to me how this thing
all worked out at the end, because I don't think
it was as like clean cut as what I think.
You know, she was away for a lot of it,
so I had to explain the whole thing to her.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Yeah, it's hard. I don't know what they don't know right.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
So then it's a lot of backtracking, and it's a
lot of having to revisit weird things, and you know,
I think in some ways it brought Grant and I
a lot closer because I think I don't know where
he said it. And I have to admit I don't
usually listen to like any of the podcasts he does,
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unless if somebody says, you know, he was talking about
me in some way. But I think we've been pretty
respectful in that sense. Maybe me not so much, but
I will say, like he said something recently along the
line of like he would have been a little bit
more stern with production now.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
I think that there's twofold to that.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
I think that if you don't know yourself well enough,
how can you really stay strong and true to who
you are throughout that process?
Speaker 6 (08:15):
I think it can get messy.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
And I think that for me, the Grant I met
and kind of fell and that did fall in love
with in the show. Shortly after we kind of got
back from all of this, I was quick to find
out it was a very different Grant in the outside world, and.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I think that I did.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
You know, I fell in love with the basis of
who I thought he was and what was presented to me,
and I still care for that person deeply, But in
terms of it being a long lasting relationship, I think
I was struggling to get to that point once we
were really getting to know each other. I mean, I
don't he could say the same about me, but I
(09:00):
I mean, I would like to think that, at least
from what my friends and family have told me from
watching it, like they thought that I was pretty true
to who I was, And I think afterwards my walls
went up really high, really fast, because I was like, whoa,
I don't know this person, you know, Like I was
kind of like, shuck a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You don't have to spill your gods, but like, can
you give us an example as to how he's different
in real life?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean I think he's like I say this
not in a mean way, but I think you guys
might understand he's a little aloof you know, he's kind
of a little like not like super clear direction. And
that's okay, you know, it's not a negative thing per se.
But I think we had talked about things we wanted
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to do, places we wanted to go together, foundations we
wanted to represent. Like I thought we kind of had
a bit of a clear picture of like the magic
we could make together as a couple, and like really
resonated on the same things and then coming out of it,
you know, it was like one day he wanted to
make music, the next day he wasn't going to be
an artist, but then he was still going to release it.
(10:08):
And then he wanted to do a dating app, and
then he wanted to have his you know, marketing class.
And I was having a hard time following following it,
you know, and feeling like included in his life's path
to you know, spread this mission that you can do
it all and be in a relationship. But I was like, Hi,
(10:28):
you have to pay attention to me. If you want
me a part of this, you have to include me.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
And and I think he was just you scatterbrained a
little bit. And maybe that's because he went through what
he went through. And I mean, listen, it took me
a minute to kind of come down from like the
mess of everything that happened too. But I think I
still feel that with him, you know now and maybe
that's just.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Who he is.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And I mean, you're you're giving him a lot of grace,
and you should because it is a wild time. You
go from zero to one hundred, and I think you
need to find people to ground you in that. And
I would think somebody like you who ends up with
it from the show would be that grounding source to
speak into him and be like, hey, let's let's cut
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out some things, or let's add some things, or where
are we trying to go with this? I mean, that's
kind of what a partner, you know, is for in
a lot of ways when it comes to your professional
life and lifestyle. There was and I think out of
everything that's been said, there wasn't a comment. I felt
like I read preparing for this and I don't know
(11:38):
the exact line, but I felt like this would have
been a big red flag for me. This never happened
in my two seasons on the show with Caitlin or
you know, when I was the Bachelor. Was there was
this comment made shortly after about kind of like being
famous from this. I think that he made he said
something along along the lines of like, you know, we're
(12:00):
going to kind of get a lot of attention from
this and all that. To me, that feels like the
last thing you should be thinking about. It felt it
feels distracting from the relationship at hand. Did you feel
that way totally?
Speaker 5 (12:16):
I mean, I think that that is kind of what
I meant when I said in the last podcast I
did about like it always being about the optics.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I think I did my best to support him because
I like had the support system and I was able
to kind of work through it and he was getting
a lot of heat, and so I think like through
it all, I was like, Okay, let's just get through this.
You know, I can be there to support him, I
can try and guide him. And then after when that
still continued, and I was like, hello, you're not like
(12:47):
including me in anything I can't You're not listening to me,
You're not hearing what I'm saying, and it's all about
the optics. It's all like talking him off a ledge
about somebody who made a comment that was like hurtful
and you know, the Tyler Cameron issue that they had,
Like I remember that just being like like deep down,
(13:08):
like the one of the hardest two weeks for me,
because I was just talking him off a ledge every
three hours, and I was like, you've got to just
let it go. But you know, I have to give
him grace because it is so hard when the world
it feels like the world is coming at you. And
that's how I felt after the finale, like aired, and
(13:31):
I was hoping for like his support the way I
supported him, and it wasn't. It was about the optics,
and it was about what people are going to think,
and if we break up, they're going to think this,
and if we stay together, they're going to think that.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
And I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, that's like what when you said on the other
podcast that he was writing statements after your fights how
to announce your breakup?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
A day after after the final rose.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I literally rolled over and he was in the bed
and he's like, Hagen morning, like did you make a
decision because I've come up with some options, and.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
I was like, are you serious right now? I was like,
don't talk to me.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I have so many questions they're just bubbling up.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
So first got to address how you felt when you
found out that he had been leading Letia on like
that to the point where he was like, you're the
one you're the one over and over and over again.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I think it was.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I think they had their first like one on one
date night the second episode, and I was in Florida
and I called him and I was I was crying
and because I saw the chemistry, you know, when they
look so cute, and I was like, I literally said,
would you have picked her if she wasn't Mormon? Because
I knew that that was something that was like he
was struggling with towards the end, and I was like, seriously,
(15:00):
would you because I can see it and I feel
it and I'm I'm having anxiety over it. And he
was like, no, you know that's that wasn't the main thing.
And I was like, okay, so I let it go.
And I think it's so hard because I think there
is a lot of like pushing him one way and
(15:24):
he wasn't strong enough and how he really wanted to
feel to kind of stick up to that, and I
think he kind of is a bit of a people pleaser,
and I know he had feelings for Latia, you know,
So I think that that was he was grappling with
all of that and struggling to communicate the way he
should have. But like you know, I think I was
(15:46):
frustrated with her anger towards it, because when I say,
I wasn't shocked with things she said, like he gave
me a notebook that he said something very similar to
me her He brought up engagement the night, but to
me in a similar way that he did to her.
And in my eyes, I could sense that he was
a little bit free flowing with what was you know,
(16:09):
prompted for him. And I think that I didn't take
it to heart. I just I didn't put all my
eggs in the basket because I was like, I'm not
sure if this is him or if this is Like
I knew he was honest about his feelings, but I
just didn't know to the magnitude of the validity towards
the end, like what it really meant.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
And I didn't know if I was getting let on.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
So I think it was just all around hard for
me to see it happen to somebody else, because then
it was her emotions that he had to deal with,
you know, And I didn't feel like he was doing
a good job with it. And I was frustrated with
Lysia because I felt like she counted me out and
took everything he said as if we were not on
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a dating show where there was other women involved and
it was her way or not her way and shoot,
and I feel bad that I feel that way, but
we looked at it two different ways, so I don't
know it.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
It was hard. It was it was all around herd.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I was frustrated with myself and him and her and
production and everything.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And I mean, from my experience during this, you know,
Grant did have two incredible people at the end, and
I would always make the argument that so did I,
and that's why it was so hard. Like those you're
in an environment where you're like, how am I supposed
to say goodbye to somebody so awesome? And how do
(17:32):
I make them know how special this was for me
even though I'm going to be saying goodbye to them,
And it doesn't make sense on why and you don't.
It sounds so simple now looking back and explaining it,
but at the time, you're like, I don't know how
to make sense of this personally. I have always said, I,
you know, I wish Lauren Jojo, you Letia Grant all
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these people. When you're in a situation like this, I
do wish there was the understanding of, hey, yeah, I can't.
I'm not gonna be able to explain why I did
what I did. It doesn't make sense to me and
it won't make sense to you, and so let's just
start now. Can we just like clean slate, say I'm sorry,
this is messed up? Did it feel and that's where
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my question leagues, did it feel like Grant wanted that?
Though it kind of felt like it was never this like, hey,
can we put a steak in the ground. I'm sorry
for all the pain, I'm sorry for all the confusion.
Can we put a steak in the ground? Will you
give me that as a partner and just say, can
we walk past the steak and move forward together as
a couple? Or did it always feel like this lingering
(18:36):
thing that they almost didn't want to go away.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
For me and him?
Speaker 5 (18:40):
I think, especially the day after the finale when we
sat through all that press and literally all of the
questions had to do with Letia, I think that that's
just how our relationship started.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
And I don't know that there's a way to get around.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
That with.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
The fuel that was added to the fire by him
maybe not just owning up to it to the full extent.
I mean, I think that he did the best he could,
you know. I think that he was also frustrated and
didn't want her to paint him to be He didn't
want her to paint him to be this like awful
person with this intent to lead her on and then
(19:16):
screw her over. But that is like the basis of
the show, you know, like that someone's gonna get hurt,
and I think that they're like, I just don't I
don't think we could have gotten over it. And I
think it was lingering, especially because that's what people in
the comments were saying.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
That's what the videos on TikTok were saying.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
It was all Latia leading on him not taking accountability
and then me having.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
To talk him off a ledge over the girl he hurt,
you know. So I just don't know it.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I don't think that he intended to not get over it.
I just don't know that it was possible with the
way everything happened.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, I need to know about your family and what
they thought about him when you got off the show,
and then how they helped you deal with the break
up and like the lead up to the breakup, because
your family was so involved, and I loved seeing your family.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
You could just tell how close.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
To your family. Your family's probably and if somebody said,
what's your top three most memorable things from that season,
your family would be one of them for me. And
I don't they just they kind of reminded me of
my wife's family. Very Italian, like I'm not. They're very loud,
and they're very direct fact and I love it now
(20:28):
because I know when they are happy with me and not.
But yeah, your family was great.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Thank you. That really does mean the world to me.
I mean, they've just been so supportive. They've just been
so helpful in every aspect you could think about. You know,
when I need to vent and yell, I'll call my mom.
When I need somebody to calm me down, I'll call
my dad. When I want to laugh, I'll call my sister.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
And when I'm freaking out and I don't know what
to do, I'll call my brother, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So so wonderful.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Yeah, just like being able to have that.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
You know, I think I talked to my brother a
lot when I was feeling iffy about Grant.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Yeah, and just because he was honest.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
You know, I think my mom and my dad and
my sister wanted to make sure that I was okay,
but in a way that was like protecting me from
the public. I think they were just like, just get
through it, you know, afterwards, when this is all done airing,
like then maybe you can have a different perspective on him,
and you guys can really get to know each other
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and blah blah blah.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Think they wanted me to get through it. My brother
was the opposite.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
My brother was like, if you're feeling like this, like
listen to yourself, listen to your gut, you know, don't
do anything to please anybody else, and you know yourself
well enough. So I think my brother pushed me in
all the right ways to break up with him.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I think.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
After the breakup, that's when I think I was like
I really needed my parents, Like I just I don't know,
I've just I would never wish a public breakup like
to that degree on anybody. It's so hard and it's
so sad, and I was so sad about everything. I
just was crying like all day every day for like
(22:15):
two weeks, and I like left to go to Florida
and stay with my aunt, and I was like help me,
and then they would go to work all day and
I'd just like be like crying in the sunshine.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
But I'm like, at least I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Tan, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
He's trying to soak in like any sort of positive
around me.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
It's so hard. Yeah, it's so hard to do a
public breakup. I've shared this story before, but when Laura
and I broke up, we went our separate ways, like immediately,
she kind of like grabbed her stuff and left, which
was for them.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Never saw each other again, well.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
No, kind of, Well we really haven't. I've seen her
husband many times.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's great, but he cast the husband.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's hilarious, it buddy, uh. But I we both ended up.
We didn't tell each other we were going. We went
to New York City. I was there on a work
trip and she went with a friend and I ran
into her like three days after our breakup, randomly on
the street corner and I sprinted like away, like I
ran out a direction. I was so nervous. I didn't
(23:15):
want to see her. It was so hard, and there
was so much opinion out there. But sometimes and I think,
I mean, I want to speak for Lauren here during this,
but our breakup was a long time coming. We had
a lot of respect for each other and we still
do to this day. But it was a weightlifted when
we finally said, Okay, this is done, like we know it.
(23:39):
I don't know how we're going to do this. A
lot of things are going to be said, but this
is over. Let's just, you know, rip the band aid
off and move forward to the best we can. So
it was a weightlifted. It doesn't sound like it felt
like a weightlifted to you, though.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
It did end.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I mean, listen, I think before we announced it, we'd
been broken up maybe for like a few weeks personally,
you know, and he had come to Aruba with me
and my friends and my family, and that was like
the hardest week ever for him and me.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Were you broken up or not?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
We were broken up?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, and you went to Aruba. M So you went
as friends? Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
I think it was like he loved my family and
my friends and I didn't want him to feel isolated
from that because him and I couldn't be together.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
But I also.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Time out hold up this, I know, was it because
the trip was just booked.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
The trip was booked and he ended up leaving early
you know. I mean, I think it was like he
just he couldn't do it, and it makes sense and
it was fair. But I think you have to understand,
like before we broke up, because I broke up with him,
you know, I think we were drifting a bit naturally.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
But he still talked to my parents.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
He you know, he still talked to my brother in
law and my best friend's fiance who does music, like
they were trying to get into the studio down in Florida,
and I was like, listen, bro, like, my people are
your people. I care about him. You know, I'm not
going to sit here and say he's a horrible guy.
That's the one thing that I just like, I hate
when people say because he doesn't doesn't mean bad.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
He's just a loose you know.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I think that's also what we've been putting out there.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I said that we roast him, which we do, but
it's all out of him being aloof and not about
him being like bad.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
You know, I think he's been through so much in
life and he is like a soldier for staying strong
through it all and being a support to his family.
I wanted him to feel supported. I didn't want him
to feel alone, you know. And I knew the breakup
was going to be hard on him. And I didn't
know if he was like I was his person that
was helping him get through the season. I didn't know
(26:02):
who he had, you know, and I didn't want him
to be alone. That made me sad. And so I
think like it wasn't a weight off my shoulders because
I cared about him, and I was really uncertain about
how I felt like the person that I fell in
love with and that I knew like just like didn't
(26:22):
care about me in the way, like couldn't support me.
And I just I think I was down on myself.
I like I felt like I did myself dirty, you know.
And I in my head, all I could think was like,
come on now, Juliana, like get it together, Like you know,
you're smarter than this. You should have seen these red flags.
You should have picked up on these things. And I
(26:45):
and then now even to this day, like I feel
like it's this weird. When he went on when and
did his own podcast and said, like, you know, we
hadn't spoke and he didn't talk to my family. It
was like we broke up and he flew out to
show up to my fashion show without telling me and
because of the optics, And I'm like, so, don't sit
(27:07):
there and create this narrative that like I iced you out,
because that was the complete opposite of anything I was
ever trying to do to you and my family.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
We would never do that.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I guess my curiosity is when did I mean, maybe
it hasn't so you have, but when did it start
to feel easier for you? I think I remember, well,
you know, we're trying to track like right after the breakup,
like how you both were feeling and I and tell
me if I'm wrong, and I just like dreamt this
because that can happen too. But I felt like there
(27:49):
was like an instagram that he did where he pretty
much said in some way or another like I don't
like miss you, or like I'm not like this isn't
hard for me, or something that's right that.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Yes, wasn't heartbroken.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. I wasn't heartbroken.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
I am like, I don't know. That was like the
weirdest thing ever.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I think that that was again back to the aloof thing.
I think he was trying to come off this tough
didn't care about at your opinion, what you're saying vibes
I'm not heartbroken, like because he was butt hurt that
I broke up with him, you know, I think that
that was where that came from. But on such a
(28:34):
when you have such a following of people that like
are so curious and we're not giving them anything about
the breakup and you say you're not heartbroken.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Like, I was like, was he not?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
You know?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Because I was like I am, and I'm so sad
and I'm like, you know, sitting here crying and you're
telling people that you don't even care about the breakup.
I was like it just it felt so hot and
cold all the time, like I was having a really
hard time understand standing him. True this day, I still am.
And that was I think explains kind of what I
mean when I say aloof like I just quit.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
I can't figure him out, Yeah, if anybody can.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, But that I mean from based on what you
were saying, like, hey, you didn't know who else he had.
You're trying to be there for him even though this
breakup happened and it was done, You're still trying to
be a support And that's a heavy weight to carry
for somebody, especially that had just recently gotten out of
this relationship. When did it feel When did you finally say, hey,
(29:30):
I can't, like I don't know what to do here,
so I'm just going to move on and he has
to figure this out on his own.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Honestly, it was pretty recently.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I will say I think that I, you know, I
have people online sending me his stuff, or when he
was doing podcasts and so was I and even Litia
doing podcasts. I think like for me, it was just
maybe honestly last month, it was like I was kind
of like, wow, I haven't thought about him in a minute,
(30:04):
you know, And I think I was seeing things maybe
online that he was kind of seeming like he was
doing well, and I was like it kind of made
me be able to breathe a little bit and just
be like, he's okay, he's not my problem, like not
the you know what I mean, but like and.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
He's going to be okay.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
So then I was like, Okay, now I can focus
on my healing and like getting myself back on my feet.
And so I started therapy again, and I started working
out again and hanging out with my friends and now
I'm having having a time with life again.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Are you dating?
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I am like, you're like dating someone that you like.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I can tell.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Yeah, I am seeing somebody I got amazing.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Yeah, it's it's new, but it's fun and it's flirty,
and I like that, you know, I like I think
that coming out of that, like it was so hard
that I think I've been taking things really really slow again,
and it put me back a little bit into my
old like I hate men vibe and I don't like
(31:14):
I'm not a man hater. I'm not a woman hater, like,
and so I think now I was like, let me
just give this guy a shot. He's like blown me
up for like three straight months NonStop, and I've been
like ghosting him, and I was like, you know what's
through it? You're cute, So we're going to hang out.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yay?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Is he could be her New Year's date?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Yes, he's coming here for New Years?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Oh my goodness, congratulations already.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Well, so the other question I have, I must ask
that's such a weird thing to say, but we had
Carolina on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, and she.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Was an absolute hoot and she was like.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Her.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yeah, yeah, really very very entertaining, and she was like,
I was not the villain of my season.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And we were like, okay, well then who was? She
goes Juliana me.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Like some reasoning because it was mean, because I think that.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You like called her out.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Yeah, like okay, I'm sorry that we can't handle conflict
in our years of life. I mean, listen, I think
that that was my last straw. I definitely had had
maybe a few glasses of wine that night, but I
was over.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
We all suffered through it.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
It was all we were talking about in interviews in
our couch mornings, and like her passing of like not
wanting to participate and then being a grouch.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
I was like, why are you here?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
She said, you about poking the bear always I was
poking the bear, as in like I guess she's the bear, right.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Oh yeah, listen, I'm not I'm not a poker.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I have to say, like, I did my very very
damn best to stay in my own lane, and they
of course caught me swerving and if unfortunately I swerved
into Carolina's lane and then through this shit, I'm going
back to my lane because I don't want any part
of that and someone said one time, I forget who
(33:18):
it was that they were, like, production can't make you
look like an asshole if you're not an asshole. So
like they if they had clips of her being an asshole,
it was because she was being an asshole, you know,
and not saying that that makes her a villain, Like,
I'm sure she's a lovely human, but.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Like, you know, maybe you just should have gone.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Home because you did felt no good staying and being
a grump and talking about the lead that you were
trying to date, and then being upset when.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
He sent you home.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I love that you just said production can't make you
look like something unless you are something, because I that's
always been my argument is, Hey, they've definitely messed over
a few we could probably name those. However, for the
most part, when you do the things you do and
it's shown back on television you don't like the way
it looks, you might want to ask yourself, like, was
(34:12):
I and the wrong there? And what can I learn
from that? Which obviously you just said it. I think
it's awesome that you're back out dating. It takes some
people longer, but I think one of the best things
to do after something like this is to get back
out there again and to figure out what you're looking
for and a partner. I also love that you're back
(34:32):
in therapy. I think therapy was huge for me as
I tried to process this weird thing that I came through.
I'm sure at some point, though, therapy is going to
encourage you to reconcile. That seems to be a thing
in therapy is reconciliation and forgiveness. From the conversation we've had,
it doesn't feel like you have any Harbord like anger
towards Grant. You're just it's over, it's done, You've moved on.
(34:55):
But there's still and Carolina you didn't really probably even
think of until Ashley just brought her up and you're like, oh, yeah,
that girl that I had that thing with her. But
Latilla is still going to be this thing that like
sits over you, and it's going to be brought up
to you in conversations and interviews and on the streets
when fans stop you. Is there a chance in this
(35:16):
new year that you look to reconcile, maybe not to
build a front like the best friendship, but to reconcile
something with Latia After the months that have passed.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Now totally, I mean, listen, I think it would only
be good for me, and hopefully it would be good
for her. I think holding on to such negative emotions
around the whole thing and having it be a topic
of conversation it is hard for I'm sure her too.
(35:45):
I would love for it to be over and done with.
And I don't know what the hesitancy is on my
end to reach out. Maybe it's because I'm still hurt
from it and I need to get over that before
or I try and mend the bridge. I don't like
to be fake. I don't like to just, you know, apologize,
(36:07):
to apologize. I would want to mean it, you know,
and I would, really and I do. I feel bad
if there's things that I've said that have caused her
harm or hurt or negative emotions. And same with Carolina,
you know, and even Zoe, Like you know, I'm not
perfect and neither are they, so I can't. I can't
hold on to it anymore. But I just I think
(36:28):
I just need some more time. And it's so weird
that I feel like I could have forgiven Grant and
not the girls, But I think we were closer. You know,
in some odd way, it's like you spend more time
with them, you feel like you have a relationship friendship
with them, and then when things kind of get turned
around and things are said and feelings are hurt, it
(36:51):
hurts a little bit more, you know, because you wouldn't
expect that from girls, girls, and they are girls girls.
I think, you know, I think we all were. We
were so supportive. And I said this in the Bachelor
Happy Hour podcast.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
It was like.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Filming was so phenomenal, Like yeah, it was afterwards that
things started to get so weird between all of us,
and that hurt me like so bad. I like came
out of that like with this newfound confidence and I
was like, oh my god, I just made like twenty
freaking friends and they were all girls, and like we were.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So nice, and.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Then they kind of started getting weird and uncomfortable, and
I was getting anxious in my handling this correctly.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
What can I do better? Like what did I do
to them?
Speaker 5 (37:38):
And it just took me down like a dark path,
like mentally about myself. And that's when I was kind
of like, Okay, I don't know these girls. They're not
my friends. They don't owe me anything, So I need
to heal myself before I have a relationship with them
in this environment.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, no, that's respectable.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Also, like, I imagine this happens a lot with the
final three, especially because you kind of, yeah, at the
end of it, you guys are very secluded from each other,
and then you watch it back on TV and I
really can't imagine. Then there's some weird scenarios like Katie
and Gabby where they're best friends. Yeah, so you know,
(38:19):
it all turns out differently, but I totally understand where
you're coming from with that. That would that would probably
be harder for me to get over as well the
girl relationship.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
You know, I don't know if this is like a
weird view. You know.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
I don't think I knew exactly what to expect in
the finale, but for some reason, I didn't expect that
from her. I could sense Grant was very anxious, and
I could sense he wasn't being fully honest with me
the night before when he was like, what if she
says this and what if she like lies?
Speaker 6 (38:52):
And I was like, well, why are you feeling like
it's gonna go that way?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
You know?
Speaker 5 (38:55):
I was like, is there something in particular you're nervous about,
and he was like, no, no, no. And in that situation,
I am not able to watch it live, so I'm
kind of just waiting for my moment to come out
and hope, you know, he's okay. And he made it through,
and I saw him before we went on stage together,
(39:15):
and he was like literally like looked pale as a
ghosts And my mom got up from her seat watching
it and like went to go find me, and production
went like chasing after her.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
I was like, ma'am, like get back to your seat.
She's like, screw you, throw this. I'm getting my daughter
out of here.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
But I was wondering how much acting you had to
do when you were on the hot seat.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
I don't I think I was luckily ignorant to what
had just happened to some extreme. I mean, to some extent,
but I have to be honest, Like I was so
nervous that I was going to fall or like I
don't know. I just was like I want I was
going to throw up. That's how I felt like being
on stage in front of all those people.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
I think I blacked out. Regardless of whether I think
I knew what had happened or not, Like I was
just like sitting smiling pretty and just trying to get through.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
It's I can get off stage.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
It is such a weird. Yeah, the final three is
always interesting. I mean during Caitlin season was on the Bachelorette,
obviously Nick and Sean almost went to fisticuffs over the
over the over the finals, and then when I was
a bachelor, you know you do it is nerve wracking.
I get what Grant was thinking, is Hey, is she
going to get out there and just tear me up.
(40:29):
It didn't happen in my scenario because I think I
had I think, well, I think Jojo knew she was
going to be the next Bachelorette, and so I think
she was like, I'm going to come in here and
just be kind and nice to Ben and then we're
going to get out of here and I'm going to
get announced as the Bachelorette and everything's gonna be good,
which I'm very thankful for. Yeah, it's it's really hard
(40:51):
for somebody in your seat though. I think Juliana, we've
talked so much now about your experience on the show.
I really want to know, are you glad you did it.
There's a lot right now that we've discussed, right like
a breakup that's been hard, and finding things out about
Grant that maybe didn't lend well towards a future relationship,
(41:12):
and then the friendships that have taken a pause. I'm
not going to say they ended. I think they come back,
and I think that's going to be really fun time
for all of us. But as you sit here today,
are you glad that you went on this show?
Speaker 5 (41:26):
I think that that's an easy yes. You know, I
wouldn't have had the experiences. I wouldn't have grown into
the person that I am. And I also, frankly don't
think I would have been dating, you know, if I
didn't go on that. I was why I was such
a like, I don't know, I just was not dating before.
I didn't date anybody, I like.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
To say with me, but I was like so nervous
about it, and then afterward I was like, whatever.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, to date on TV, you can do it in
real life totally.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
And I just think, you know, I've grown a lot,
you know, and I'm like, I'm just so thankful for
it all, and for all of the obstacles that I've
had to overcome, Like I just feel I'm different in
a good way. And there are some things that I
see about myself now that I love. And there are
some things I see about myself that I've been paying
a little bit more attention to and trying to work on.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
So I think all around, if you look at it
through the right lens, you know, you can't go wrong
dating on TV.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
All right.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Wait, I want to give you an opportunity to talk
about your clothing line with your sister.
Speaker 6 (42:29):
Oh thank you, Oh my god, that's so sweet. It's
going so well.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
It's called Nice Girls Label and it is an honor
of my grandmother, whose phrase was it's nice to be nice.
And it's really just building a community of women, mostly
in Boston, but we do sell our clothes online, but
we have all different events going on. We're partnering with
a bunch of local businesses, brands, foundations to just have
(42:58):
fun and create a community of of coziness and love and.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Love the cozy.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
This is one thing I say that's always worth either
spending on or gifting it is cozy clothes because you.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Know they'll always be worn. I you know, buy jeans oh.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
My gosh, the amount of jeans that are in my
closet that are never worn, but the amount of yoga
pants and sweatpants that are worn, They're just always worth
the bod.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, totally. I live in loungewear. I'm literally wearing
like I like live in it, especially in the winter.
I'm like, you are not seeing me in like jeans?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Ever, I love never never in jeans in the winter
it's too cold.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Nice girls label dot com is where people can go
to find it. I love this conversation because my wife,
you know, I we've been living together for four years now.
When she puts on jeans and like a nice shirt,
like I can, she wants me to notice because she's
(43:55):
like I think she just is like I've lived in
sweatpants and sweatshirts for so long that like, look at me,
I'm dressed up today, and I'm like, you look like
you look every day going to school and now, oh
my gosh, I know, thinking.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
About like what I would wear to college and grad
school and especially high school.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
You know college you have your.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Webpans stays for sure, especially like before noon classes. But
oh my gosh, I used to dress me too.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I wore jeans every.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Single day to high school maybe at wear sweats like every.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
Other week, like I did full glam.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I like lamb.
Speaker 6 (44:33):
I mean I've been like hang out with like fifteen
year olds, I know.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
And if I didn't do it before, I did it
on the school bus and that everybody in the hallways
saw me put together.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Oh my god. I would never do makeup before seven am.
Now I never.
Speaker 6 (44:51):
You're lucky if I put makeup on my face.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
This is why Nice Girls label is not only needed
right now, it's also building this community you spoke about.
I think gets I'm looking at the website. It's really great,
really and so sure you go check it out. Juliana,
thanks for coming on, Thanks for giving us the time
this holiday season. It's it's really special to talk to you.
And goodness. I mean, I just want to say. My
(45:15):
take from this is that what like I'm learning from
you as I'm listening to you about how to like
walk through something so uniquely weird. I'm not going to
say difficult or hard or bad or good. It's just weird,
and you're going to learn a lot about yourself. Do
us a favor, though, if this relationship ends up, any relationship,
I'm not gonna say this one. Don't put the pressure
(45:36):
on it. If any relationship or any big things happen
in your life, please let us know so you can
come back on and talk to us. It would be
a gift to keep keep track and not do all
this weird guessing based on social media posts that have
been put out there, or like, do they hate each other?
Do they like each other? Were they ever together? Just
now come on chat with us. It would be a
(45:57):
gift to everybody listening and to Ashley myself. So, Juliana,
thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
Thank you guys so much for having me. Thank you
brother so lovely.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
All Right, we'll talk to you soon, hopefully. Until next time,
I've been Ashley.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
And I've been Ben, We'll see you soon.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's almost famous podcast. Today we are here with you
bringing you some very very I'm actually Ashley very excited
to talk to this person, because we're always excited to
talk to somebody new. But there's people that have captivated us,
(00:26):
people that I just want to know what they know.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
That's what that is? This one, I just need to
know what she was in her brain.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I don't know if we'll get there, but we've had Letia,
Carolina and Grant for the most recent season on You
can go back and listen to those episodes. I'll tell
you they're interesting. All of them are interesting in their
own ways, some funny, some off the wall, some serious,
and some somewhat confusing. And today it's like we're getting
(00:58):
the final piece of this puzzle. Yes, our guest today is,
of course the woman that Grant chose lucky. Here we're
talking about Juliana. Juliana, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Thanks for having me, guys, Juliana, welcome to the podcast
that rose Grant all the time. I'm I'm sure we're
not unique in that, and we are sorry. Ben was
the one who did the interview with him a couple
like about a month ago, and I was, I was,
And he was supposed to come on a couple.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Of weeks ago, like a week or so ago, and
he didn't show. Didn't show, So leave that to your imagination.
I think he didn't want to talk to me. I've
been hard than.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
If you can't praise the critics, you can't do baby,
gotta take it.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Oh my gosh, Juliana, you were on recently with Joe
and Serena, and there was a lingering question that I
certainly had after that, and that was.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
What happened with the hotel.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Hell fight that you guys had after the final rowse
How did it get reconciled?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah, Okay, I mean I think I think that I
probably like didn't provide enough context.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I think I was trying to answer a question.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
And that's why we have you here.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeah, bit of like a roundabout way without spilling too
much tea, but giving some insight as to like when
I first started to have doubts. You know, we got
through that that argument. It was just like the moment
for me was like how is this happening to me?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Like?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
How did I end up here? This morning I'm feeling alone.
You're kind of like creating that space and also making
me feel like I wasn't going to be supported. The
hotel fight was was really just you know that phrase,
I think I'm gonna butcher it. But it's like when
you're with somebody to the public, you'll always kind of
(02:59):
like pret them and stand up for them, but then
behind closed doors you can have those conversations and maybe
call them out for things that you need to. I
think that's what I was trying to do through a
lot of this, and so people, you know, didn't see
me holding him accountable or thought that we were ganging
up on Latia and creating this narrative, and I think
(03:21):
ultimately I was just in a protector mode for him,
and then behind closed doors, especially after the finale, and
when I was able to watch how he handled it
with Latia on stage because I saw the you know,
I already saw the final episode before the finale, it
was just how he handled it. I think that that's
(03:42):
what caused me a lot of frustration, was the lack
of accountability from him. I think she was a little
harsh if if that's just my opinion, but I think
he could have. I think he did the best he could,
but I think there was a little bit of lack
of accountability there. And then I kind of I kind
of came at him a little bit for it, and
(04:04):
I was really frustrated, and I was like, well, now
we have to do a you know, like we have
to carry that forward. And I would love for you
to hold yourself a little bit higher in the sense that,
you know, admitting where you went wrong and what you
said wrong and validating her feelings of feeling led on,
you know, and that just wasn't the way things were going.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
So we were not on the same page.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Once the finale kind of aired, and yeah, that was
just like one piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I Ashley, can I can I just have a conversation
with Juliana for a second.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, I just jumped right into it. So let's backtrack
or do whatever this is track?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, this is just she's reminding me of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, if anybody knows what it feels like to
lead some on this show, I think I would be
the one to say I did it best or worst? Yeah,
And I mean I can go both ways, right, Like
I did, I know I did I mean, that's exactly
what I did, and it was unfair to Jojo at
(05:16):
the time, but it did cause Lauren a lot of pain,
I think because she had to answer questions about it
for me, and I think when you are together, I
think you just said it. And I think that's what
reminded me is in the public you want to support
your partner. Behind closed doors, though, you need to hold
your partner accountable, and I remember many moments where she
(05:38):
would do that and there was a lot of like,
it's a weird conversation to have. I'm going off on
a tangent here, but you just reminded me of so
much during that time. It's a weird conversation to have
with the person that you're with to be like, hey,
you need to also be like more respectful to the
(05:59):
person that you broke up with when we were like
figuring this thing out, and I think at the time
it was really hard to process, like, Okay, how much
do I talk about with this with Lauren about you know, Jojo?
How much do I not talk about? What do I
say to Jojo? Do I send her a text to say, hey,
I'm sorry for how things went down? Is that inappropriate?
There was a lot there, but you need a partner
(06:19):
to kind of step in with you. I want to
go back a little bit though. I remember when I
first felt like Lauren was thrown off was like the
night after our proposal on the show. It was the
next day when we were like, She's like, okay, so
what do we do now? And I'm like, I don't
(06:40):
really know what we do now, Like I'm my middle
name is Edward, and here's my phone number, and I
hope this works. There was a lot happening, yeah, and
so can we go back to like next day for you?
It wasn't I expected this whole show to end in
this like fairy tale where the next morning you wake
up up and everybody's happy and you're like, look at
(07:01):
this beautiful thing that happened if in it, and I
know why it wasn't this way. It felt very opposite
of that. It felt very much like, okay, now let's
get to know each other.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And also, can you explain to me how this thing
all worked out at the end, because I don't think
it was as like clean cut as what I think.
You know, she was away for a lot of it,
so I had to explain the whole thing to her.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Yeah, it's hard. I don't know what they don't know right.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
So then it's a lot of backtracking, and it's a
lot of having to revisit weird things, and you know,
I think in some ways it brought Grant and I
a lot closer because I think I don't know where
he said it. And I have to admit I don't
usually listen to like any of the podcasts he does,
(07:48):
unless if somebody says, you know, he was talking about
me in some way. But I think we've been pretty
respectful in that sense. Maybe me not so much, but
I will say, like he said something recently along the
line of like he would have been a little bit
more stern with production now.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
I think that there's twofold to that.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
I think that if you don't know yourself well enough,
how can you really stay strong and true to who
you are throughout that process?
Speaker 6 (08:15):
I think it can get messy.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
And I think that for me, the Grant I met
and kind of fell and that did fall in love
with in the show. Shortly after we kind of got
back from all of this, I was quick to find
out it was a very different Grant in the outside world, and.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I think that I did.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
You know, I fell in love with the basis of
who I thought he was and what was presented to me,
and I still care for that person deeply, But in
terms of it being a long lasting relationship, I think
I was struggling to get to that point once we
were really getting to know each other. I mean, I
don't he could say the same about me, but I
(09:00):
I mean, I would like to think that, at least
from what my friends and family have told me from
watching it, like they thought that I was pretty true
to who I was, And I think afterwards my walls
went up really high, really fast, because I was like, whoa,
I don't know this person, you know, Like I was
kind of like, shuck a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You don't have to spill your gods, but like, can
you give us an example as to how he's different
in real life?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean I think he's like I say this
not in a mean way, but I think you guys
might understand he's a little aloof you know, he's kind
of a little like not like super clear direction. And
that's okay, you know, it's not a negative thing per se.
But I think we had talked about things we wanted
(09:47):
to do, places we wanted to go together, foundations we
wanted to represent. Like I thought we kind of had
a bit of a clear picture of like the magic
we could make together as a couple, and like really
resonated on the same things and then coming out of it,
you know, it was like one day he wanted to
make music, the next day he wasn't going to be
an artist, but then he was still going to release it.
(10:08):
And then he wanted to do a dating app, and
then he wanted to have his you know, marketing class.
And I was having a hard time following following it,
you know, and feeling like included in his life's path
to you know, spread this mission that you can do
it all and be in a relationship. But I was like, Hi,
(10:28):
you have to pay attention to me. If you want
me a part of this, you have to include me.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
And and I think he was just you scatterbrained a
little bit. And maybe that's because he went through what
he went through. And I mean, listen, it took me
a minute to kind of come down from like the
mess of everything that happened too. But I think I
still feel that with him, you know now and maybe
that's just.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Who he is.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And I mean, you're you're giving him a lot of grace,
and you should because it is a wild time. You
go from zero to one hundred, and I think you
need to find people to ground you in that. And
I would think somebody like you who ends up with
it from the show would be that grounding source to
speak into him and be like, hey, let's let's cut
(11:16):
out some things, or let's add some things, or where
are we trying to go with this? I mean, that's
kind of what a partner, you know, is for in
a lot of ways when it comes to your professional
life and lifestyle. There was and I think out of
everything that's been said, there wasn't a comment. I felt
like I read preparing for this and I don't know
(11:38):
the exact line, but I felt like this would have
been a big red flag for me. This never happened
in my two seasons on the show with Caitlin or
you know, when I was the Bachelor. Was there was
this comment made shortly after about kind of like being
famous from this. I think that he made he said
something along along the lines of like, you know, we're
(12:00):
going to kind of get a lot of attention from
this and all that. To me, that feels like the
last thing you should be thinking about. It felt it
feels distracting from the relationship at hand. Did you feel
that way totally?
Speaker 5 (12:16):
I mean, I think that that is kind of what
I meant when I said in the last podcast I
did about like it always being about the optics.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I think I did my best to support him because
I like had the support system and I was able
to kind of work through it and he was getting
a lot of heat, and so I think like through
it all, I was like, Okay, let's just get through this.
You know, I can be there to support him, I
can try and guide him. And then after when that
still continued, and I was like, hello, you're not like
(12:47):
including me in anything I can't You're not listening to me,
You're not hearing what I'm saying, and it's all about
the optics. It's all like talking him off a ledge
about somebody who made a comment that was like hurtful
and you know, the Tyler Cameron issue that they had,
Like I remember that just being like like deep down,
(13:08):
like the one of the hardest two weeks for me,
because I was just talking him off a ledge every
three hours, and I was like, you've got to just
let it go. But you know, I have to give
him grace because it is so hard when the world
it feels like the world is coming at you. And
that's how I felt after the finale, like aired, and
(13:31):
I was hoping for like his support the way I
supported him, and it wasn't. It was about the optics,
and it was about what people are going to think,
and if we break up, they're going to think this,
and if we stay together, they're going to think that.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
And I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, that's like what when you said on the other
podcast that he was writing statements after your fights how
to announce your breakup?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
A day after after the final rose.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I literally rolled over and he was in the bed
and he's like, Hagen morning, like did you make a
decision because I've come up with some options, and.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
I was like, are you serious right now? I was like,
don't talk to me.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I have so many questions they're just bubbling up.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
So first got to address how you felt when you
found out that he had been leading Letia on like
that to the point where he was like, you're the
one you're the one over and over and over again.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I think it was.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I think they had their first like one on one
date night the second episode, and I was in Florida
and I called him and I was I was crying
and because I saw the chemistry, you know, when they
look so cute, and I was like, I literally said,
would you have picked her if she wasn't Mormon? Because
I knew that that was something that was like he
was struggling with towards the end, and I was like, seriously,
(15:00):
would you because I can see it and I feel
it and I'm I'm having anxiety over it. And he
was like, no, you know that's that wasn't the main thing.
And I was like, okay, so I let it go.
And I think it's so hard because I think there
is a lot of like pushing him one way and
(15:24):
he wasn't strong enough and how he really wanted to
feel to kind of stick up to that, and I
think he kind of is a bit of a people pleaser,
and I know he had feelings for Latia, you know,
So I think that that was he was grappling with
all of that and struggling to communicate the way he
should have. But like you know, I think I was
(15:46):
frustrated with her anger towards it, because when I say,
I wasn't shocked with things she said, like he gave
me a notebook that he said something very similar to
me her He brought up engagement the night, but to
me in a similar way that he did to her.
And in my eyes, I could sense that he was
a little bit free flowing with what was you know,
(16:09):
prompted for him. And I think that I didn't take
it to heart. I just I didn't put all my
eggs in the basket because I was like, I'm not
sure if this is him or if this is Like
I knew he was honest about his feelings, but I
just didn't know to the magnitude of the validity towards
the end, like what it really meant.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
And I didn't know if I was getting let on.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
So I think it was just all around hard for
me to see it happen to somebody else, because then
it was her emotions that he had to deal with,
you know, And I didn't feel like he was doing
a good job with it. And I was frustrated with
Lysia because I felt like she counted me out and
took everything he said as if we were not on
(16:52):
a dating show where there was other women involved and
it was her way or not her way and shoot,
and I feel bad that I feel that way, but
we looked at it two different ways, so I don't
know it.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
It was hard. It was it was all around herd.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I was frustrated with myself and him and her and
production and everything.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And I mean, from my experience during this, you know,
Grant did have two incredible people at the end, and
I would always make the argument that so did I,
and that's why it was so hard. Like those you're
in an environment where you're like, how am I supposed
to say goodbye to somebody so awesome? And how do
(17:32):
I make them know how special this was for me
even though I'm going to be saying goodbye to them,
And it doesn't make sense on why and you don't.
It sounds so simple now looking back and explaining it,
but at the time, you're like, I don't know how
to make sense of this personally. I have always said, I,
you know, I wish Lauren Jojo, you Letia Grant all
(17:54):
these people. When you're in a situation like this, I
do wish there was the understanding of, hey, yeah, I can't.
I'm not gonna be able to explain why I did
what I did. It doesn't make sense to me and
it won't make sense to you, and so let's just
start now. Can we just like clean slate, say I'm sorry,
this is messed up? Did it feel and that's where
(18:15):
my question leagues, did it feel like Grant wanted that?
Though it kind of felt like it was never this like, hey,
can we put a steak in the ground. I'm sorry
for all the pain, I'm sorry for all the confusion.
Can we put a steak in the ground? Will you
give me that as a partner and just say, can
we walk past the steak and move forward together as
a couple? Or did it always feel like this lingering
(18:36):
thing that they almost didn't want to go away.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
For me and him?
Speaker 5 (18:40):
I think, especially the day after the finale when we
sat through all that press and literally all of the
questions had to do with Letia, I think that that's
just how our relationship started.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
And I don't know that there's a way to get around.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
That with.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
The fuel that was added to the fire by him
maybe not just owning up to it to the full extent.
I mean, I think that he did the best he could,
you know. I think that he was also frustrated and
didn't want her to paint him to be He didn't
want her to paint him to be this like awful
person with this intent to lead her on and then
(19:16):
screw her over. But that is like the basis of
the show, you know, like that someone's gonna get hurt,
and I think that they're like, I just don't I
don't think we could have gotten over it. And I
think it was lingering, especially because that's what people in
the comments were saying.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
That's what the videos on TikTok were saying.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
It was all Latia leading on him not taking accountability
and then me having.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
To talk him off a ledge over the girl he hurt,
you know. So I just don't know it.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I don't think that he intended to not get over it.
I just don't know that it was possible with the
way everything happened.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, I need to know about your family and what
they thought about him when you got off the show,
and then how they helped you deal with the break
up and like the lead up to the breakup, because
your family was so involved, and I loved seeing your family.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
You could just tell how close.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
To your family. Your family's probably and if somebody said,
what's your top three most memorable things from that season,
your family would be one of them for me. And
I don't they just they kind of reminded me of
my wife's family. Very Italian, like I'm not. They're very loud,
and they're very direct fact and I love it now
(20:28):
because I know when they are happy with me and not.
But yeah, your family was great.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Thank you. That really does mean the world to me.
I mean, they've just been so supportive. They've just been
so helpful in every aspect you could think about. You know,
when I need to vent and yell, I'll call my mom.
When I need somebody to calm me down, I'll call
my dad. When I want to laugh, I'll call my sister.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
And when I'm freaking out and I don't know what
to do, I'll call my brother, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So so wonderful.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Yeah, just like being able to have that.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
You know, I think I talked to my brother a
lot when I was feeling iffy about Grant.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Yeah, and just because he was honest.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
You know, I think my mom and my dad and
my sister wanted to make sure that I was okay,
but in a way that was like protecting me from
the public. I think they were just like, just get
through it, you know, afterwards, when this is all done airing,
like then maybe you can have a different perspective on him,
and you guys can really get to know each other
(21:30):
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Think they wanted me to get through it. My brother
was the opposite.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
My brother was like, if you're feeling like this, like
listen to yourself, listen to your gut, you know, don't
do anything to please anybody else, and you know yourself
well enough. So I think my brother pushed me in
all the right ways to break up with him.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I think.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
After the breakup, that's when I think I was like
I really needed my parents, Like I just I don't know,
I've just I would never wish a public breakup like
to that degree on anybody. It's so hard and it's
so sad, and I was so sad about everything. I
just was crying like all day every day for like
(22:15):
two weeks, and I like left to go to Florida
and stay with my aunt, and I was like help me,
and then they would go to work all day and
I'd just like be like crying in the sunshine.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
But I'm like, at least I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Tan, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
He's trying to soak in like any sort of positive
around me.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
It's so hard. Yeah, it's so hard to do a
public breakup. I've shared this story before, but when Laura
and I broke up, we went our separate ways, like immediately,
she kind of like grabbed her stuff and left, which
was for them.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Never saw each other again, well.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
No, kind of, Well we really haven't. I've seen her
husband many times.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's great, but he cast the husband.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's hilarious, it buddy, uh. But I we both ended up.
We didn't tell each other we were going. We went
to New York City. I was there on a work
trip and she went with a friend and I ran
into her like three days after our breakup, randomly on
the street corner and I sprinted like away, like I
ran out a direction. I was so nervous. I didn't
(23:15):
want to see her. It was so hard, and there
was so much opinion out there. But sometimes and I think,
I mean, I want to speak for Lauren here during this,
but our breakup was a long time coming. We had
a lot of respect for each other and we still
do to this day. But it was a weightlifted when
we finally said, Okay, this is done, like we know it.
(23:39):
I don't know how we're going to do this. A
lot of things are going to be said, but this
is over. Let's just, you know, rip the band aid
off and move forward to the best we can. So
it was a weightlifted. It doesn't sound like it felt
like a weightlifted to you, though.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
It did end.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I mean, listen, I think before we announced it, we'd
been broken up maybe for like a few weeks personally,
you know, and he had come to Aruba with me
and my friends and my family, and that was like
the hardest week ever for him and me.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Were you broken up or not?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
We were broken up?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, and you went to Aruba. M So you went
as friends? Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
I think it was like he loved my family and
my friends and I didn't want him to feel isolated
from that because him and I couldn't be together.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
But I also.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Time out hold up this, I know, was it because
the trip was just booked.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
The trip was booked and he ended up leaving early
you know. I mean, I think it was like he
just he couldn't do it, and it makes sense and
it was fair. But I think you have to understand,
like before we broke up, because I broke up with him,
you know, I think we were drifting a bit naturally.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
But he still talked to my parents.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
He you know, he still talked to my brother in
law and my best friend's fiance who does music, like
they were trying to get into the studio down in Florida,
and I was like, listen, bro, like, my people are
your people. I care about him. You know, I'm not
going to sit here and say he's a horrible guy.
That's the one thing that I just like, I hate
when people say because he doesn't doesn't mean bad.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
He's just a loose you know.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I think that's also what we've been putting out there.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I said that we roast him, which we do, but
it's all out of him being aloof and not about
him being like bad.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
You know, I think he's been through so much in
life and he is like a soldier for staying strong
through it all and being a support to his family.
I wanted him to feel supported. I didn't want him
to feel alone, you know. And I knew the breakup
was going to be hard on him. And I didn't
know if he was like I was his person that
was helping him get through the season. I didn't know
(26:02):
who he had, you know, and I didn't want him
to be alone. That made me sad. And so I
think like it wasn't a weight off my shoulders because
I cared about him, and I was really uncertain about
how I felt like the person that I fell in
love with and that I knew like just like didn't
(26:22):
care about me in the way, like couldn't support me.
And I just I think I was down on myself.
I like I felt like I did myself dirty, you know.
And I in my head, all I could think was like,
come on now, Juliana, like get it together, Like you know,
you're smarter than this. You should have seen these red flags.
You should have picked up on these things. And I
(26:45):
and then now even to this day, like I feel
like it's this weird. When he went on when and
did his own podcast and said, like, you know, we
hadn't spoke and he didn't talk to my family. It
was like we broke up and he flew out to
show up to my fashion show without telling me and
because of the optics, And I'm like, so, don't sit
(27:07):
there and create this narrative that like I iced you out,
because that was the complete opposite of anything I was
ever trying to do to you and my family.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
We would never do that.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I guess my curiosity is when did I mean, maybe
it hasn't so you have, but when did it start
to feel easier for you? I think I remember, well,
you know, we're trying to track like right after the breakup,
like how you both were feeling and I and tell
me if I'm wrong, and I just like dreamt this
because that can happen too. But I felt like there
(27:49):
was like an instagram that he did where he pretty
much said in some way or another like I don't
like miss you, or like I'm not like this isn't
hard for me, or something that's right that.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Yes, wasn't heartbroken.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. I wasn't heartbroken.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
I am like, I don't know. That was like the
weirdest thing ever.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I think that that was again back to the aloof thing.
I think he was trying to come off this tough
didn't care about at your opinion, what you're saying vibes
I'm not heartbroken, like because he was butt hurt that
I broke up with him, you know, I think that
that was where that came from. But on such a
(28:34):
when you have such a following of people that like
are so curious and we're not giving them anything about
the breakup and you say you're not heartbroken.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Like, I was like, was he not?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
You know?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Because I was like I am, and I'm so sad
and I'm like, you know, sitting here crying and you're
telling people that you don't even care about the breakup.
I was like it just it felt so hot and
cold all the time, like I was having a really
hard time understand standing him. True this day, I still am.
And that was I think explains kind of what I
mean when I say aloof like I just quit.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
I can't figure him out, Yeah, if anybody can.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, But that I mean from based on what you
were saying, like, hey, you didn't know who else he had.
You're trying to be there for him even though this
breakup happened and it was done, You're still trying to
be a support And that's a heavy weight to carry
for somebody, especially that had just recently gotten out of
this relationship. When did it feel When did you finally say, hey,
(29:30):
I can't, like I don't know what to do here,
so I'm just going to move on and he has
to figure this out on his own.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Honestly, it was pretty recently.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I will say I think that I, you know, I
have people online sending me his stuff, or when he
was doing podcasts and so was I and even Litia
doing podcasts. I think like for me, it was just
maybe honestly last month, it was like I was kind
of like, wow, I haven't thought about him in a minute,
(30:04):
you know, And I think I was seeing things maybe
online that he was kind of seeming like he was
doing well, and I was like it kind of made
me be able to breathe a little bit and just
be like, he's okay, he's not my problem, like not
the you know what I mean, but like and.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
He's going to be okay.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
So then I was like, Okay, now I can focus
on my healing and like getting myself back on my feet.
And so I started therapy again, and I started working
out again and hanging out with my friends and now
I'm having having a time with life again.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Are you dating?
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I am like, you're like dating someone that you like.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I can tell.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Yeah, I am seeing somebody I got amazing.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Yeah, it's it's new, but it's fun and it's flirty,
and I like that, you know, I like I think
that coming out of that, like it was so hard
that I think I've been taking things really really slow again,
and it put me back a little bit into my
old like I hate men vibe and I don't like
(31:14):
I'm not a man hater. I'm not a woman hater, like,
and so I think now I was like, let me
just give this guy a shot. He's like blown me
up for like three straight months NonStop, and I've been
like ghosting him, and I was like, you know what's
through it? You're cute, So we're going to hang out.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yay?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Is he could be her New Year's date?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Yes, he's coming here for New Years?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Oh my goodness, congratulations already.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Well, so the other question I have, I must ask
that's such a weird thing to say, but we had
Carolina on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, and she.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Was an absolute hoot and she was like.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Her.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yeah, yeah, really very very entertaining, and she was like,
I was not the villain of my season.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And we were like, okay, well then who was? She
goes Juliana me.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Like some reasoning because it was mean, because I think that.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You like called her out.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Yeah, like okay, I'm sorry that we can't handle conflict
in our years of life. I mean, listen, I think
that that was my last straw. I definitely had had
maybe a few glasses of wine that night, but I
was over.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
We all suffered through it.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
It was all we were talking about in interviews in
our couch mornings, and like her passing of like not
wanting to participate and then being a grouch.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
I was like, why are you here?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
She said, you about poking the bear always I was
poking the bear, as in like I guess she's the bear, right.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Oh yeah, listen, I'm not I'm not a poker.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I have to say, like, I did my very very
damn best to stay in my own lane, and they
of course caught me swerving and if unfortunately I swerved
into Carolina's lane and then through this shit, I'm going
back to my lane because I don't want any part
of that and someone said one time, I forget who
(33:18):
it was that they were, like, production can't make you
look like an asshole if you're not an asshole. So
like they if they had clips of her being an asshole,
it was because she was being an asshole, you know,
and not saying that that makes her a villain, Like,
I'm sure she's a lovely human, but.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Like, you know, maybe you just should have gone.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Home because you did felt no good staying and being
a grump and talking about the lead that you were
trying to date, and then being upset when.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
He sent you home.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I love that you just said production can't make you
look like something unless you are something, because I that's
always been my argument is, Hey, they've definitely messed over
a few we could probably name those. However, for the
most part, when you do the things you do and
it's shown back on television you don't like the way
it looks, you might want to ask yourself, like, was
(34:12):
I and the wrong there? And what can I learn
from that? Which obviously you just said it. I think
it's awesome that you're back out dating. It takes some
people longer, but I think one of the best things
to do after something like this is to get back
out there again and to figure out what you're looking
for and a partner. I also love that you're back
(34:32):
in therapy. I think therapy was huge for me as
I tried to process this weird thing that I came through.
I'm sure at some point, though, therapy is going to
encourage you to reconcile. That seems to be a thing
in therapy is reconciliation and forgiveness. From the conversation we've had,
it doesn't feel like you have any Harbord like anger
towards Grant. You're just it's over, it's done, You've moved on.
(34:55):
But there's still and Carolina you didn't really probably even
think of until Ashley just brought her up and you're like, oh, yeah,
that girl that I had that thing with her. But
Latilla is still going to be this thing that like
sits over you, and it's going to be brought up
to you in conversations and interviews and on the streets
when fans stop you. Is there a chance in this
(35:16):
new year that you look to reconcile, maybe not to
build a front like the best friendship, but to reconcile
something with Latia After the months that have passed.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Now totally, I mean, listen, I think it would only
be good for me, and hopefully it would be good
for her. I think holding on to such negative emotions
around the whole thing and having it be a topic
of conversation it is hard for I'm sure her too.
(35:45):
I would love for it to be over and done with.
And I don't know what the hesitancy is on my
end to reach out. Maybe it's because I'm still hurt
from it and I need to get over that before
or I try and mend the bridge. I don't like
to be fake. I don't like to just, you know, apologize,
(36:07):
to apologize. I would want to mean it, you know,
and I would, really and I do. I feel bad
if there's things that I've said that have caused her
harm or hurt or negative emotions. And same with Carolina,
you know, and even Zoe, Like you know, I'm not
perfect and neither are they, so I can't. I can't
hold on to it anymore. But I just I think
(36:28):
I just need some more time. And it's so weird
that I feel like I could have forgiven Grant and
not the girls, But I think we were closer. You know,
in some odd way, it's like you spend more time
with them, you feel like you have a relationship friendship
with them, and then when things kind of get turned
around and things are said and feelings are hurt, it
(36:51):
hurts a little bit more, you know, because you wouldn't
expect that from girls, girls, and they are girls girls.
I think, you know, I think we all were. We
were so supportive. And I said this in the Bachelor
Happy Hour podcast.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
It was like.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Filming was so phenomenal, Like yeah, it was afterwards that
things started to get so weird between all of us,
and that hurt me like so bad. I like came
out of that like with this newfound confidence and I
was like, oh my god, I just made like twenty
freaking friends and they were all girls, and like we were.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So nice, and.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Then they kind of started getting weird and uncomfortable, and
I was getting anxious in my handling this correctly.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
What can I do better? Like what did I do
to them?
Speaker 5 (37:38):
And it just took me down like a dark path,
like mentally about myself. And that's when I was kind
of like, Okay, I don't know these girls. They're not
my friends. They don't owe me anything, So I need
to heal myself before I have a relationship with them
in this environment.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, no, that's respectable.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Also, like, I imagine this happens a lot with the
final three, especially because you kind of, yeah, at the
end of it, you guys are very secluded from each other,
and then you watch it back on TV and I
really can't imagine. Then there's some weird scenarios like Katie
and Gabby where they're best friends. Yeah, so you know,
(38:19):
it all turns out differently, but I totally understand where
you're coming from with that. That would that would probably
be harder for me to get over as well the
girl relationship.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
You know, I don't know if this is like a
weird view. You know.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
I don't think I knew exactly what to expect in
the finale, but for some reason, I didn't expect that
from her. I could sense Grant was very anxious, and
I could sense he wasn't being fully honest with me
the night before when he was like, what if she
says this and what if she like lies?
Speaker 6 (38:52):
And I was like, well, why are you feeling like
it's gonna go that way?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
You know?
Speaker 5 (38:55):
I was like, is there something in particular you're nervous about,
and he was like, no, no, no. And in that situation,
I am not able to watch it live, so I'm
kind of just waiting for my moment to come out
and hope, you know, he's okay. And he made it through,
and I saw him before we went on stage together,
(39:15):
and he was like literally like looked pale as a
ghosts And my mom got up from her seat watching
it and like went to go find me, and production
went like chasing after her.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
I was like, ma'am, like get back to your seat.
She's like, screw you, throw this. I'm getting my daughter
out of here.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
But I was wondering how much acting you had to
do when you were on the hot seat.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
I don't I think I was luckily ignorant to what
had just happened to some extreme. I mean, to some extent,
but I have to be honest, Like I was so
nervous that I was going to fall or like I
don't know. I just was like I want I was
going to throw up. That's how I felt like being
on stage in front of all those people.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
I think I blacked out. Regardless of whether I think
I knew what had happened or not, Like I was
just like sitting smiling pretty and just trying to get through.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
It's I can get off stage.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
It is such a weird. Yeah, the final three is
always interesting. I mean during Caitlin season was on the Bachelorette,
obviously Nick and Sean almost went to fisticuffs over the
over the over the finals, and then when I was
a bachelor, you know you do it is nerve wracking.
I get what Grant was thinking, is Hey, is she
going to get out there and just tear me up.
(40:29):
It didn't happen in my scenario because I think I
had I think, well, I think Jojo knew she was
going to be the next Bachelorette, and so I think
she was like, I'm going to come in here and
just be kind and nice to Ben and then we're
going to get out of here and I'm going to
get announced as the Bachelorette and everything's gonna be good,
which I'm very thankful for. Yeah, it's it's really hard
(40:51):
for somebody in your seat though. I think Juliana, we've
talked so much now about your experience on the show.
I really want to know, are you glad you did it.
There's a lot right now that we've discussed, right like
a breakup that's been hard, and finding things out about
Grant that maybe didn't lend well towards a future relationship,
(41:12):
and then the friendships that have taken a pause. I'm
not going to say they ended. I think they come back,
and I think that's going to be really fun time
for all of us. But as you sit here today,
are you glad that you went on this show?
Speaker 5 (41:26):
I think that that's an easy yes. You know, I
wouldn't have had the experiences. I wouldn't have grown into
the person that I am. And I also, frankly don't
think I would have been dating, you know, if I
didn't go on that. I was why I was such
a like, I don't know, I just was not dating before.
I didn't date anybody, I like.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
To say with me, but I was like so nervous
about it, and then afterward I was like, whatever.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, to date on TV, you can do it in
real life totally.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
And I just think, you know, I've grown a lot,
you know, and I'm like, I'm just so thankful for
it all, and for all of the obstacles that I've
had to overcome, Like I just feel I'm different in
a good way. And there are some things that I
see about myself now that I love. And there are
some things I see about myself that I've been paying
a little bit more attention to and trying to work on.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
So I think all around, if you look at it
through the right lens, you know, you can't go wrong
dating on TV.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
All right.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Wait, I want to give you an opportunity to talk
about your clothing line with your sister.
Speaker 6 (42:29):
Oh thank you, Oh my god, that's so sweet. It's
going so well.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
It's called Nice Girls Label and it is an honor
of my grandmother, whose phrase was it's nice to be nice.
And it's really just building a community of women, mostly
in Boston, but we do sell our clothes online, but
we have all different events going on. We're partnering with
a bunch of local businesses, brands, foundations to just have
(42:58):
fun and create a community of of coziness and love and.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Love the cozy.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
This is one thing I say that's always worth either
spending on or gifting it is cozy clothes because you.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Know they'll always be worn. I you know, buy jeans oh.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
My gosh, the amount of jeans that are in my
closet that are never worn, but the amount of yoga
pants and sweatpants that are worn, They're just always worth
the bod.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, totally. I live in loungewear. I'm literally wearing
like I like live in it, especially in the winter.
I'm like, you are not seeing me in like jeans?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Ever, I love never never in jeans in the winter
it's too cold.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Nice girls label dot com is where people can go
to find it. I love this conversation because my wife,
you know, I we've been living together for four years now.
When she puts on jeans and like a nice shirt,
like I can, she wants me to notice because she's
(43:55):
like I think she just is like I've lived in
sweatpants and sweatshirts for so long that like, look at me,
I'm dressed up today, and I'm like, you look like
you look every day going to school and now, oh
my gosh, I know, thinking.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
About like what I would wear to college and grad
school and especially high school.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
You know college you have your.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Webpans stays for sure, especially like before noon classes. But
oh my gosh, I used to dress me too.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I wore jeans every.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Single day to high school maybe at wear sweats like every.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
Other week, like I did full glam.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I like lamb.
Speaker 6 (44:33):
I mean I've been like hang out with like fifteen
year olds, I know.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
And if I didn't do it before, I did it
on the school bus and that everybody in the hallways
saw me put together.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Oh my god. I would never do makeup before seven am.
Now I never.
Speaker 6 (44:51):
You're lucky if I put makeup on my face.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
This is why Nice Girls label is not only needed
right now, it's also building this community you spoke about.
I think gets I'm looking at the website. It's really great,
really and so sure you go check it out. Juliana,
thanks for coming on, Thanks for giving us the time
this holiday season. It's it's really special to talk to you.
And goodness. I mean, I just want to say. My
(45:15):
take from this is that what like I'm learning from
you as I'm listening to you about how to like
walk through something so uniquely weird. I'm not going to
say difficult or hard or bad or good. It's just weird,
and you're going to learn a lot about yourself. Do
us a favor, though, if this relationship ends up, any relationship,
I'm not gonna say this one. Don't put the pressure
(45:36):
on it. If any relationship or any big things happen
in your life, please let us know so you can
come back on and talk to us. It would be
a gift to keep keep track and not do all
this weird guessing based on social media posts that have
been put out there, or like, do they hate each other?
Do they like each other? Were they ever together? Just
now come on chat with us. It would be a
(45:57):
gift to everybody listening and to Ashley myself. So, Juliana,
thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
Thank you guys so much for having me. Thank you
brother so lovely.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
All Right, we'll talk to you soon, hopefully. Until next time,
I've been Ashley.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
And I've been Ben, We'll see you soon.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
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