September 26, 2025 • 26 mins
Bachelor Nation alum Susie Evans is catching up with Ashley about sliding into celebrity DM's, where she stands with her ex Justin Glaze, and what she REALLY thought about her phone call with Jeremy being a focal point of Bachelor in Paradise. You'll never believe what celeb wanted to meet up with Ashley after she tweeted them!
Plus, Bachelorette fans have been vocal about wanting Susie as a lead! Ashley finds out once and for all if producers were considering her for this season...and if Susie wants the role!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey, welcome back to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we're
joined by Susie Evans. We love Susie. She's also a
Jonas fan, and I'm so glad you're here because I
know you're genuinely Jonahs fan. I remember before you guys
were ever public, you and Justin, I was like, you
should date Joe Jonas because like he had Sophie wait,
(00:26):
and you were like secretly dating Justin.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I was like, I think you have a chance.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
And did I tell you that I was dating Justin
at the time or did I cool?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
You guys played it cool.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
You didn't announce me for like another like month and
a half the same Yeah, oh that's so funny. Yeah,
I remember that. I remember like I hadn't really met you.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Actually, was that the first one in person that we met?
We went that was at the Mansion after the first
Golden season.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Okay, that was the first, and then I think the
last time I've seen you in person. Rightly think so, yeah,
that's so, that is so crazy. But I remember like
going over DMS with you and just being like, so,
I was like, you are so nice to share this
information secret, like literally secrets. I was like, I love
that you trust me with this information. And I was like,
(01:13):
I'm obsessed. I feel like we're truly bonded in our souls.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
We wanted too.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
And last night, hearing some of you know, the lore,
I was like, Weirdly, I was like, I have like
not as cool as stories, but I'm like I also
have very just like weird lore stories of like why
do like this is why we were obsessed slash are obsessed?
You know, Like it's just like it's just a lifestyle.
It's a lifestyle. It's a choice. It's an active choice
(01:37):
to be in our thirties and like still going to
join his brother concerts.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You know, like being in your.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Thirties and being a Jonah's fan, which most are right,
is the most fun because you know, we have our
own money and we have our own free will to travel,
and we can drink now. Yeah, you know, I was
telling them last night, you guys, I was, you know,
we had a girls dinner last night and it was
so fun and I'm like, yeah, I'm not drinking right now.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I don't, like I didn't feel like dehydrated after a
flight and I was like, but tomorrow, wait do you
see me and Jonas? So it's the only place that
I'll really drink.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I love that, And I was like, wait, I didn't
know that was the vibe like like time like I'll
dance and like like okay, I love that. Yeah, We're
gonna go to Lulu tonight. A little alcohol will be
like oh my god, I think I think that they're
looking at us up here, like they probably can't even
see out twenty feet, but in our brains tonight making
(02:29):
eye contacts. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, So I'm like I was wondering, like if you
ever did slid into the Joe's dms.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Oh for sure. There are very like few celebrities that
I have not slid into dms prior to Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
You are exactly what I would be. But I would
be doing that single right now, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
No, honestly, I mean, everyone check your dms and we'll
find out that the dms have been slid into. No,
but when prior to Bachelor, I would think it was
so funny because I had like not even a large feeling,
but like.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You were missed Virginia, so you were like had some
pole there I had a little up like I'm certifiably
very pretty because I've been crying.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
My friends and I would like drink at a mellow
mushroom and eat pizza and I wouldn't know like who
a lot of people are, but my friends would be like,
oh my gosh, you should DM this person or that person,
and I'd be like, faygain, I do it like I
don't care, and so we would just send out like
in an post bachelor. I've like had to like go
(03:34):
unsend things from people because I'm like, oh my god,
like that was from twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen or
whatever year it was, and I'm like that so embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Okay, well right now pull up your messages to jo Jodds.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Oh no, oh my god, yeah, I think, oh my gosh, wait,
you know it's let me see what it's probably the.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Same responses to stories.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Imagine it was this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Georgia, are you a nick Joe girl?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I'm a Joe girl.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I always been eighteen years agoing strong.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Oh you know what I've deleted? Oh no, I replied
to their story in twenty twenty four History in twenty
four and said.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Obsessed did he read it.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
No, okay, But I did send a video to Nick
Jonas once again, like not that I have. Let me
be clear, I like rarely drink, but like when I do, yeah,
I like don't care, and I'm like, let's send a video.
And I sent a video of my friend singing I
jon his brother's song one time to him and I'm
pretty sure it showed me that he viewed it, and
I was like, that's actually so embarrassing, Like it was
(04:30):
actually worse that he saw that, because it was something
that I would like maybe would have unsent in the
morning and been like that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
My most notable DM cringe was oh my God.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
It was on Twitter back in Oh my God. The
time it was to that. It was when there we
first started this show and I was single and they.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Were having like me do reckless things like trying to
oh yeah, they thought it was really funny.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
iHeart and my like re producer, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
That's like my friends. They think it's so funny, and
I'm like, honestly, like shoot or shoot, why not?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
They would have me.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They were trying to like hook me up with Jimmy Garoppolo,
which I was down with, but then they would like
have me, you know, send dms on the microphone.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
But the most so week, the one.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That was the most like, oh my god, I can't
believe that this happened was Ryan Phillippy, which I'm pulling
that up right now because I think I just tweeted like,
oh my god, Ryan Philpy is the hottest in the
entire world, just like I tweeted that, yeah, like into
the universe. Yeah, And then he responded, is December thirtieth,
twenty sixteen, we should meet?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Oh my gosh, and then the smiley.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Face and I go, I think that would be a
good idea.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
You should text me what wait did he text you? Oh? Shoot?
So that's a lot of this is like it's it
never goes anywhere, you know what I mean. And I
really haven't taken advantage post Bachelor. It's actually a shame
or post divorce or post Joe divorce. Honestly, it is
like really a shame, like I lost all my guts
(06:06):
post Bachelor. Like before it was like I got nothing
tell these and now I'm like, oh god, like what
if they what if they were to read it? Like
it should have been opposite.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But look at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey because he
basically did that and like put in the universe like hey,
why didn't we meet?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And I would be the Travis kelce like you would.
I know, I could see this like fairy tale happening
for you. You never know, Okay, well, how would Justin
feel about this very ex? Ever? Would be like can
you imagine that? Yeah that I mean imagine being wait
what would that be the version of like I do
(06:42):
think about Travis Kelcey's ex I'm like imagine going on
to Yeah she does, she's a she. Yeah she talks
about their whole situation. Yeah, that's right. But I'm like,
that would be so hard to like see your partner
or ex partner go be with the most as a
person ever, Like that was like the most painful thing.
(07:02):
That is the most painful thing. I think I would
like change my career. I would like disappear. I would
go off grid, I think, and then you'd secretly date
Jose that Justin didn't have to say yeah exactly, yeah totally.
I meant if it were reversed, if it were like, oh.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Mine would have to go and hiding where there was
like a place where there was no media if my ex.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Was dating Tyler Swifth, like I would yeah, it would
be done. I would like, yeah, okay, hmmm, So let's
talk about Paradise a bit Ooh I know.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So Paradise.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You were there for twenty four hours, and there was
just so much that happened in twenty four hours, and
to us, even though you were only on like two episodes,
it felt like you had a huge storyline, particularly because
Jeremy called you yeah, saying that he wished that like
he'd given you the rose that like he would have proposed.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
To after one day, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
When you were watching back, Yeah, what was your reaction? So,
I think watching it back, I was like, this is
so funny. I was like, oh my god, to talk
about me, Like I was like, I was like feed
my ego. Wow. And then I was like, oh, this
is not funny anymore. Like at first I thought it
was very just like, oh my god, I can't believe
they aired that, you know. I was like, that was
such a random call. I was like in the car
(08:19):
on my way to the airport when I picked up,
and I was like asleep, Like it was a four
hour car ride to the airport. Brutal. So I was
like just so caught off guard. I did not think
that it would be anything. So when it aired, I
really was just like this is great TV. I'm like amazing,
Like this is so funny. What's going to happen? But
(08:41):
then it really became like a huge storyline, and like yeah,
I was like like part of me was like this
is so funny that like I was there for one
day and it's like still going and going and going.
But then I eventually did I was like, oh, I
actually like this feels really dark. You know, like when
things was just like almost get taken too far on
(09:03):
the show and you're just like, oh, like that maybe
it wasn't It really wasn't that big of a deal.
I do think you should have told her one thousand percent.
I think that was.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
About Bailey and how like he basically yeah, admitted that
at one point he had stronger feelings for you, went
ahead gave Bailey the Rose.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Do you ever figure out why that was?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I mean, I personally, I don't think he had stronger
feelings for me. I think that he was like.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You don't know what you're got until it's gone. To
quote Nick.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Jonas, literally no, that was the perfect use of that. Actually,
I think it was just like I think he thought
with Bailey they were really like solid, and maybe I
came in and it was like, oh, I was excited
to meet this person, and maybe he had hoped there
would be more time ticket to know me. But I
remember like on our date he even was like yeah,
(09:52):
like I've been so excited to meet you, but like
I've got something great going on with Bailey, and I
was like okay, so like I'm going home, like that's
totally cool, Like I respect, like I didn't feel like
he was going to pick me, Like I was very sad,
don't get me wrong, and like I very quickly no
matter what the situation is, I feel like I just
like accept my fate. I'm like I can't change this,
and I'm I don't want if you want to pick Bailey,
(10:14):
I would never like tell you something that isn't how
I feel to get you to pick me, Like I
wouldn't do that to stick around. And so I just
kind of was like okay, like this is just how
this worked out for me, and if the producers won't,
they can bring somebody in to save me right now.
But like, you know, I really wanted to if they
really wanted me there, Yeah, there's there's things that can
(10:35):
be done, and so I was like, I'm cool with this,
like I'm just going home. But so I don't think
it was that he like actually felt stronger. I think
it was that he got freaked out when she went
on the date with Andrew and was like, oh, so
I think it was a jealousy move. Yeah, and like
a way I picked you and like I thought we
were going to move forward together and now you're like
(10:55):
exploring something and now I'm at risk. And then it's
like and maybe he was just like trying to stay
or I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
What was his relationship like with Justin.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
I don't think they had a relationship prior. I think
they had met a few times and then I think
he's friends with like the East coast guys, and Justin's
on the West coast. So I don't think they really
had a friendship or anything.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So it wasn't like he was trying to protect his
feelings by not choosing you at that road ceremony.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Oh I don't think so, No, No, And.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
How did you expect Like you obviously knew that Justin
was going to Paradise.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You guys both knew that you guys were going.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I was in a sort of some similar situation with
Jared going into our second season of Paradise where I
was like, I'm going to pretend like I'm just gonna
move on, but there's not. But I don't know how
honest that is.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, yeah, So how was it in your head?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I think maybe super naive, but like I very much
was like dis trusting that it was going to be fine.
Like I had said to production before going, like I
don't want it to be in front of my face,
and like they were like, I think there's a way
we can make it. So it's not like.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Carry I don't think that's ever like a thing.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
No, totally in my like I know, like I look
back and I'm like all of it was so delusional.
I was just so optimistic of like it's.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Going to be fine.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Do you know what my Instagram bio is, I'm either
delusion or optimistic.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
It's depending on your point of view.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Oh, I love That's that's actually so accurate for me
as well. Yeah, because yeah, I think I just went
in and was like it's fine and honestly even as
I left. I mean, I have so much like footage
of me leaving and like hanging out with the driver
that took us to the airport, like we went got
dinner together. Like I was like, honestly like whatever, you know,
like that sucked, but like it is what it is,
(12:56):
you know, and I think going in delusional, obnistic whatever.
I think it was like really thinking that they were
going to be able to keep us separate. Like I
had thought maybe there's some kind of like two houses
and he's going to be dating in that house. I'm
going to be in this one, and then they'll swap
at some point, but like you know, I kind't had
this idea of like I'm just gonna like trust so
(13:17):
they know what they're doing, or one of us is.
We also kind of thought one of us would come
in way later, which it was me that came in later.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
That nobody liked that decision because people wanted to see
more of you, and Justin's a great character too, so
we kind of wanted to see more of him. And
we felt like both of you left too early and
then you came too late, even Ben and I like
or I think it was Jared was co hosting with
me that day. We were like, you know, I know
we preached that we don't want like producer hands in it,
(13:45):
but when it comes to characters like this, we need
producer hands, and they're trying to figure out how to
keep them.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Well, I think that you could have like just not
set me in on the same day as three other girls, yeah,
as the last person, and sent two of them out
on dates with people during the day. So it's like
I came in and two guys are gone and two
girls have already done like a challenge with everybody. Like like,
they totally could have sent me in as the first
person and let me have a day date like and
(14:10):
have more time, or they could have sent me in
as the original cast, or they could have sent me
in after like just like in the in where like
Leya and Alicia, where they came in, I'm like, it
feels like there were there were people there for them,
where it was like, oh, there's not enough for enough
people to go home anymore. I was kind of like, oh,
like there's only two of us, like Jeremy, not Jeremy,
(14:32):
Jonathan and Leah. They kind of were like, well, there's
no one else, so we're going to pair up and
be friends. I'm like, I definitely could have been around,
but they put me in on the same days you have.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Been around Jonathan's.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I could have been Jonathan's bestie. We're great friends, Like,
we could have been besties and hung out, but it
just wasn't in the cards for me.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
So there was no thought that maybe you and Jessin
would get back together in Paradise.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
No. I think we both knew that, like, we couldn't
get back together, Like we just knew that if we
were to ever revisit that like we have. It's like
a real world relationship where there's things like we wouldn't
bring onto the television show and like, but we also
couldn't move forward in a relationship without having certain conversations,
and so I'm like, I wouldn't. I don't think either
(15:16):
of us would have been open to like really restarting
something there.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Okay, Well, it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Was the love was evident, whether it's platonic love now
or past lave, you know, like the love of the past,
but it was very evident during your conversation, like the
love and respect that you guys have for each other.
It was like really beautiful. I actually think that like
your moment together, just like talking before you left, was
probably like my favorite part of Paradise.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
It just felt so authentic.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I think that's why I was, if I'm being honest,
so confused when he offered me the rose, because there
was a more to that conversation as well. But I
do think what they showed was very beautiful, and it
did like kind of wrap it up in a nice
neat like little Bob. But I really thought that was
like closure, like the things he said to me where
(16:04):
he was like, you know, I've like grown so much
because of you, and like I'm so grateful for everything
that has come from this, and like he's like I
remember him saying, he's like I feel so guilty that
like I get to stay and like you might be
going home, And I was like, it's literally fine, Like
this the conversation we had made it worth it. I
(16:24):
was like we can walk away, And I was like,
maybe this is why I came here, Like maybe it's
to get this closure and like have this like beautiful
conversation where you just said the most kind things to me,
and you can move forward and I can go back
home and move forward in a different way. But like
I just thought that was like like him being like
just just having like a closure conversation. So I was
(16:45):
so confused when everything went down at the Rows ceremony.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
One of my favorite things when I think about Paradise
is kind of seeing relationships that have evolved off camera
happen further on camera. I was like, yours, Kendall and Joe's,
and then there would been mine, And I just feel
like that's just more evidence that the Bachelor needs some
sort of spin off show.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Called like Bachelor in real life. Yeah, Bachelor, I R.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, that's cute. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So when he did decide to give you the rose
and he said I'm gonna leave, but I'm going to
give her the rose, Like, what was your like your
reaction was obviously shocked. How did you think that that
moment would Like where do you think it was gonna
come of that?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah? Well, I guess to me, like again, this is
like me literally be optimistic, delusional, whatever. I don't know.
I was not close with Lexi, but like I we'd
had a lot of conversations where I was like, I
promise you like don't feel weird, Like, do not feel weird,
Like I don't feel any way towards you, justin's amazing.
(17:51):
We both have worked on ourselves, and like you should
pursue this and like, don't feel weird about it, because
it's not going to stop me from being your friend.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And you're very special, very special, because I think that
like anybody out there just thinking about an X that
you have, you obviously have some sort of relationship with
enough that to have a conversation like we saw and
then you tell the new girl that like you want
this to happen for her is like the sweetest, kindnest
thing ever, and like not many people could be there
(18:21):
for that.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Thanks. I think that I would like want the same,
I guess, you know, like if it were because I
were both there single, so I'm like it I could
either really be make her uncomfortable or try to make
the most comfortable comfortable environment for all of us and
be like we're here, like we chose to make this
awkward decision, so you don't feel weird, Like we are
(18:43):
the weirdos that chose to come here, so like, don't
worry about it. And so when I when the rose
ceremony happened and he called my name. I was like,
maybe him and LEXI like conspired this together and they're
trying to save me and like maybe yeah, like like
I didn't know, and so I was like, oh my gosh,
Like no, I can't accept this. I really thought I
was going to go back in line and he was
(19:05):
gonna call Lexi and then they were gonna be like
we tried, just like we wanted to at least offer
to say. So when I think they aired it, I
looked at her and I was like, wait, did you
talk to him? And She's like no, And I was like,
oh my gosh. And then like I post everything I
found out that I guess going into the ROA ceremonies
when Justin found out that Jeremy was picking Bailey, and
he was like faced with this, like oh my gosh,
(19:27):
Like do I pick the person that I've been building
a connection with? But like it feels like right, I
like I.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Know that a lot. He got flack, and then he
also got praised for the same move.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I was more in praise with it because to me,
it was just like the kindest gesture to somebody that
he truly loves versus somebody that like he just like honestly,
it was obvious they didn't have a future.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, I think that was It was hard for me
because I was like, how could you do this? Like
I'm like, how can you just a LEXI like I decide,
And I think that would have been it would have
felt like slap in the face, even more so for
me to then accept the rose and be like, yeah,
I just encouraged you like all days, Like.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I understand, I see both sides, just right and wrong
in both of that.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I know, but I get. I totally get where he
was coming from because I know, like I think he
also knew like before going like I had never gone
back to Paradise, like he had gone to Paradise before,
and I think he kind of got screwed that season two.
Like I feel like Justin kind of has gotten screwed
on his seasons, like one of I think like one
full group or one full one on one was cut
(20:33):
from Katie's season, like he went to Paradise and just
like had kind of crap luck and then like I
really wanted to go to Paradise, Like I was like,
I want to go and I've never done it before,
and like I I just thought it would be the
most fun summer, even if I didn't end up like
falling in love. I was like, I just like have
never done this and I've not gone back on TV.
(20:55):
I want to go. I think it's so fun. Like
four years almost four years, yeah, four years, Like I
was genuinely so excited and just like and honestly just
down to have fun, but like I'm not gonna like
hurt somebody along the way. It's kind of was kind
of my mentality. And so I think that he knew
we had talked about it, and I was like, I
know this is going to suck, but like I want
to do this, Like I'm I was thirty one. I
(21:17):
think at the time I'm thirty to now, but I
was like I'm thirty one, Like I'm not going on
Paradise next year, you know, like I'm just not doing it,
like this is my last chance, not chance, but like
this is my last opportunity to do something like this
is how it felt. And so I think he was
like realizing I got screwed over and He's like I
don't want you to have to like go home and
(21:39):
like lose out on the opportunity to be here.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Yeah. Yeah, So what was the lost of you guys talk.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
We're in communication, Like, we share so many of the
same friends, we share the same management, we share like
so much of our life. So we definitely we talk.
We see each other like, it's not awkward, it's not weird,
and there's so much love there and we care a
lot about each other.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Oh, we love that. We love that. Let's talk about
another X. Clayton Perfect Clayton and Rachel.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Reccia they reunited on a Perfect Match on Netflix and
we did some breakdowns of those episodes. What did you
think about the two I'm sure you're familiar with the
storyline how that went, because at first he was like, yeah, Rachel,
let's revisit this.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Then like twelve hours later he's like.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Actually, never note whiplash. That was It was really like
a tough watch because like I I think that I
have like a good understanding of who Clayton is, so
I'm like, I see what's going on here, Like I
think that he and don't get me wrong, like we
all do have intuition and we should listen to it.
But I do think that maybe sometimes and I don't
(23:00):
don't know, I shouldn't like speak for him, But I'm like,
maybe sometimes like he's trying to listen to his intuition,
but maybe it's not necessarily his intuition. Maybe it's like
just the thought, you know what I mean. And so
I think he was like trying to do what he
thought was like the right thing, which is like to
listen to your gut, but maybe the gut was confused
with something else. I don't know, and so it was
it was like whiplash. And I think for him it
(23:20):
was hard for him to understand why Rachel was so hurt.
But it's like she's been put through so much and
she in the fact that she took a chance on you.
It felt like I was like, oh my gosh, like
you have to like be so gentle like this, you like,
she has been so hurt before. So it was really
like that was a hard watch for me because I
was like I adore both of these people, and I'm
(23:42):
just like, why did this have to happen like that?
Like why can't we just have a better understanding or
like a little more I don't know, like not go
as fast to like jump to this being like a sign.
I was like, it's not a sign. It's producers, and
I'm like, Clayton, if you wanted to revisit things with Rangel,
(24:02):
You've had lots of time off Camera's true too, that
is so true. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
My last question for you is Bachelor Nation obviously has
a new bachelorette in Taylor Frankie Paul. It definitely makes
sense for the network to do this crossover experience.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I do think that you were on a short list
of possible bachelorettes.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Did you ever hear from them, not post Paradise, not
post Paradise, but like for another season in the past, Yeah,
I think there's been twice when they've yeah, well, I'm
I think twice they've like reached out and been like, hey,
we want to consider you for this. But I do
think that I have put the nail into my own
coffin by denying the second rowse obviously the first time
(24:50):
on Clayton season, but then this is like the second
time I think that I have officially like they probably
are like you are so annoying, like this was your
chance to say and you're not willing to be a
little messy, And I'm like, no, I'm sorry, No.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I gotta follow up.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
If you were The Bachelorette and Justin were to say
I have to go on the show, like I have
to be in the running here, would you let him
on the season?
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, oh my god, I would have, Like I would
have messed with him so hard. I'd been like, perfect,
We're gonna come up with a really great challenge, like
I would just choose. I mean, me and Justin. I
feel like our friendship and relationship, like we clown on
each other so hard. So I'm like, okay, perfect, I'm
gonna curate the perfect date to just really mess with
this man. Yeah, because you know so many Yeah, I
(25:34):
would know exactly how to like make him so uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Even if it's a good day where it's like couples there.
Oh my god, oh my.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
God, I'd bring it, yes, exactly. I would know exactly
who to bring like that would be great.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
All right, Susie, you're the best. I'm so glad you're here.
And then we get to joe out together and until
then tonight, I've been Ashley and I've been Susy.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Bye bye.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey, welcome back to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we're
joined by Susie Evans. We love Susie. She's also a
Jonas fan, and I'm so glad you're here because I
know you're genuinely Jonahs fan. I remember before you guys
were ever public, you and Justin, I was like, you
should date Joe Jonas because like he had Sophie wait,
(00:26):
and you were like secretly dating Justin.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I was like, I think you have a chance.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
And did I tell you that I was dating Justin
at the time or did I cool?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
You guys played it cool.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
You didn't announce me for like another like month and
a half the same Yeah, oh that's so funny. Yeah,
I remember that. I remember like I hadn't really met you.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Actually, was that the first one in person that we met?
We went that was at the Mansion after the first
Golden season.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Okay, that was the first, and then I think the
last time I've seen you in person. Rightly think so, yeah,
that's so, that is so crazy. But I remember like
going over DMS with you and just being like, so,
I was like, you are so nice to share this
information secret, like literally secrets. I was like, I love
that you trust me with this information. And I was like,
(01:13):
I'm obsessed. I feel like we're truly bonded in our souls.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
We wanted too.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
And last night, hearing some of you know, the lore,
I was like, Weirdly, I was like, I have like
not as cool as stories, but I'm like I also
have very just like weird lore stories of like why
do like this is why we were obsessed slash are obsessed?
You know, Like it's just like it's just a lifestyle.
It's a lifestyle. It's a choice. It's an active choice
(01:37):
to be in our thirties and like still going to
join his brother concerts.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You know, like being in your.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Thirties and being a Jonah's fan, which most are right,
is the most fun because you know, we have our
own money and we have our own free will to travel,
and we can drink now. Yeah, you know, I was
telling them last night, you guys, I was, you know,
we had a girls dinner last night and it was
so fun and I'm like, yeah, I'm not drinking right now.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I don't, like I didn't feel like dehydrated after a
flight and I was like, but tomorrow, wait do you
see me and Jonas? So it's the only place that
I'll really drink.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I love that, And I was like, wait, I didn't
know that was the vibe like like time like I'll
dance and like like okay, I love that. Yeah, We're
gonna go to Lulu tonight. A little alcohol will be
like oh my god, I think I think that they're
looking at us up here, like they probably can't even
see out twenty feet, but in our brains tonight making
(02:29):
eye contacts. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, So I'm like I was wondering, like if you
ever did slid into the Joe's dms.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Oh for sure. There are very like few celebrities that
I have not slid into dms prior to Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
You are exactly what I would be. But I would
be doing that single right now, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
No, honestly, I mean, everyone check your dms and we'll
find out that the dms have been slid into. No,
but when prior to Bachelor, I would think it was
so funny because I had like not even a large feeling,
but like.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You were missed Virginia, so you were like had some
pole there I had a little up like I'm certifiably
very pretty because I've been crying.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
My friends and I would like drink at a mellow
mushroom and eat pizza and I wouldn't know like who
a lot of people are, but my friends would be like,
oh my gosh, you should DM this person or that person,
and I'd be like, faygain, I do it like I
don't care, and so we would just send out like
in an post bachelor. I've like had to like go
(03:34):
unsend things from people because I'm like, oh my god,
like that was from twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen or
whatever year it was, and I'm like that so embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Okay, well right now pull up your messages to jo Jodds.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Oh no, oh my god, yeah, I think, oh my gosh, wait,
you know it's let me see what it's probably the.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Same responses to stories.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Imagine it was this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Georgia, are you a nick Joe girl?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I'm a Joe girl.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I always been eighteen years agoing strong.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Oh you know what I've deleted? Oh no, I replied
to their story in twenty twenty four History in twenty
four and said.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Obsessed did he read it.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
No, okay, But I did send a video to Nick
Jonas once again, like not that I have. Let me
be clear, I like rarely drink, but like when I do, yeah,
I like don't care, and I'm like, let's send a video.
And I sent a video of my friend singing I
jon his brother's song one time to him and I'm
pretty sure it showed me that he viewed it, and
I was like, that's actually so embarrassing, Like it was
(04:30):
actually worse that he saw that, because it was something
that I would like maybe would have unsent in the
morning and been like that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
My most notable DM cringe was oh my God.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
It was on Twitter back in Oh my God. The
time it was to that. It was when there we
first started this show and I was single and they.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Were having like me do reckless things like trying to
oh yeah, they thought it was really funny.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
iHeart and my like re producer, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
That's like my friends. They think it's so funny, and
I'm like, honestly, like shoot or shoot, why not?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
They would have me.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They were trying to like hook me up with Jimmy Garoppolo,
which I was down with, but then they would like
have me, you know, send dms on the microphone.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
But the most so week, the one.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That was the most like, oh my god, I can't
believe that this happened was Ryan Phillippy, which I'm pulling
that up right now because I think I just tweeted like,
oh my god, Ryan Philpy is the hottest in the
entire world, just like I tweeted that, yeah, like into
the universe. Yeah, And then he responded, is December thirtieth,
twenty sixteen, we should meet?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Oh my gosh, and then the smiley.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Face and I go, I think that would be a
good idea.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
You should text me what wait did he text you? Oh? Shoot?
So that's a lot of this is like it's it
never goes anywhere, you know what I mean. And I
really haven't taken advantage post Bachelor. It's actually a shame
or post divorce or post Joe divorce. Honestly, it is
like really a shame, like I lost all my guts
(06:06):
post Bachelor. Like before it was like I got nothing
tell these and now I'm like, oh god, like what
if they what if they were to read it? Like
it should have been opposite.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But look at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey because he
basically did that and like put in the universe like hey,
why didn't we meet?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And I would be the Travis kelce like you would.
I know, I could see this like fairy tale happening
for you. You never know, Okay, well, how would Justin
feel about this very ex? Ever? Would be like can
you imagine that? Yeah that I mean imagine being wait
what would that be the version of like I do
(06:42):
think about Travis Kelcey's ex I'm like imagine going on
to Yeah she does, she's a she. Yeah she talks
about their whole situation. Yeah, that's right. But I'm like,
that would be so hard to like see your partner
or ex partner go be with the most as a
person ever, Like that was like the most painful thing.
(07:02):
That is the most painful thing. I think I would
like change my career. I would like disappear. I would
go off grid, I think, and then you'd secretly date
Jose that Justin didn't have to say yeah exactly, yeah totally.
I meant if it were reversed, if it were like, oh.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Mine would have to go and hiding where there was
like a place where there was no media if my ex.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Was dating Tyler Swifth, like I would yeah, it would
be done. I would like, yeah, okay, hmmm, So let's
talk about Paradise a bit Ooh I know.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So Paradise.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You were there for twenty four hours, and there was
just so much that happened in twenty four hours, and
to us, even though you were only on like two episodes,
it felt like you had a huge storyline, particularly because
Jeremy called you yeah, saying that he wished that like
he'd given you the rose that like he would have proposed.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
To after one day, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
When you were watching back, Yeah, what was your reaction? So,
I think watching it back, I was like, this is
so funny. I was like, oh my god, to talk
about me, Like I was like, I was like feed
my ego. Wow. And then I was like, oh, this
is not funny anymore. Like at first I thought it
was very just like, oh my god, I can't believe
they aired that, you know. I was like, that was
such a random call. I was like in the car
(08:19):
on my way to the airport when I picked up,
and I was like asleep, Like it was a four
hour car ride to the airport. Brutal. So I was
like just so caught off guard. I did not think
that it would be anything. So when it aired, I
really was just like this is great TV. I'm like amazing,
Like this is so funny. What's going to happen? But
(08:41):
then it really became like a huge storyline, and like yeah,
I was like like part of me was like this
is so funny that like I was there for one
day and it's like still going and going and going.
But then I eventually did I was like, oh, I
actually like this feels really dark. You know, like when
things was just like almost get taken too far on
(09:03):
the show and you're just like, oh, like that maybe
it wasn't It really wasn't that big of a deal.
I do think you should have told her one thousand percent.
I think that was.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
About Bailey and how like he basically yeah, admitted that
at one point he had stronger feelings for you, went
ahead gave Bailey the Rose.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Do you ever figure out why that was?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I mean, I personally, I don't think he had stronger
feelings for me. I think that he was like.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You don't know what you're got until it's gone. To
quote Nick.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Jonas, literally no, that was the perfect use of that. Actually,
I think it was just like I think he thought
with Bailey they were really like solid, and maybe I
came in and it was like, oh, I was excited
to meet this person, and maybe he had hoped there
would be more time ticket to know me. But I
remember like on our date he even was like yeah,
(09:52):
like I've been so excited to meet you, but like
I've got something great going on with Bailey, and I
was like okay, so like I'm going home, like that's
totally cool, Like I respect, like I didn't feel like
he was going to pick me, Like I was very sad,
don't get me wrong, and like I very quickly no
matter what the situation is, I feel like I just
like accept my fate. I'm like I can't change this,
and I'm I don't want if you want to pick Bailey,
(10:14):
I would never like tell you something that isn't how
I feel to get you to pick me, Like I
wouldn't do that to stick around. And so I just
kind of was like okay, like this is just how
this worked out for me, and if the producers won't,
they can bring somebody in to save me right now.
But like, you know, I really wanted to if they
really wanted me there, Yeah, there's there's things that can
(10:35):
be done, and so I was like, I'm cool with this,
like I'm just going home. But so I don't think
it was that he like actually felt stronger. I think
it was that he got freaked out when she went
on the date with Andrew and was like, oh, so
I think it was a jealousy move. Yeah, and like
a way I picked you and like I thought we
were going to move forward together and now you're like
(10:55):
exploring something and now I'm at risk. And then it's
like and maybe he was just like trying to stay
or I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
What was his relationship like with Justin.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
I don't think they had a relationship prior. I think
they had met a few times and then I think
he's friends with like the East coast guys, and Justin's
on the West coast. So I don't think they really
had a friendship or anything.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So it wasn't like he was trying to protect his
feelings by not choosing you at that road ceremony.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Oh I don't think so, No, No, And.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
How did you expect Like you obviously knew that Justin
was going to Paradise.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You guys both knew that you guys were going.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I was in a sort of some similar situation with
Jared going into our second season of Paradise where I
was like, I'm going to pretend like I'm just gonna
move on, but there's not. But I don't know how
honest that is.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, yeah, So how was it in your head?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I think maybe super naive, but like I very much
was like dis trusting that it was going to be fine.
Like I had said to production before going, like I
don't want it to be in front of my face,
and like they were like, I think there's a way
we can make it. So it's not like.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Carry I don't think that's ever like a thing.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
No, totally in my like I know, like I look
back and I'm like all of it was so delusional.
I was just so optimistic of like it's.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Going to be fine.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Do you know what my Instagram bio is, I'm either
delusion or optimistic.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
It's depending on your point of view.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Oh, I love That's that's actually so accurate for me
as well. Yeah, because yeah, I think I just went
in and was like it's fine and honestly even as
I left. I mean, I have so much like footage
of me leaving and like hanging out with the driver
that took us to the airport, like we went got
dinner together. Like I was like, honestly like whatever, you know,
like that sucked, but like it is what it is,
(12:56):
you know, and I think going in delusional, obnistic whatever.
I think it was like really thinking that they were
going to be able to keep us separate. Like I
had thought maybe there's some kind of like two houses
and he's going to be dating in that house. I'm
going to be in this one, and then they'll swap
at some point, but like you know, I kind't had
this idea of like I'm just gonna like trust so
(13:17):
they know what they're doing, or one of us is.
We also kind of thought one of us would come
in way later, which it was me that came in later.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
That nobody liked that decision because people wanted to see
more of you, and Justin's a great character too, so
we kind of wanted to see more of him. And
we felt like both of you left too early and
then you came too late, even Ben and I like
or I think it was Jared was co hosting with
me that day. We were like, you know, I know
we preached that we don't want like producer hands in it,
(13:45):
but when it comes to characters like this, we need
producer hands, and they're trying to figure out how to
keep them.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Well, I think that you could have like just not
set me in on the same day as three other girls, yeah,
as the last person, and sent two of them out
on dates with people during the day. So it's like
I came in and two guys are gone and two
girls have already done like a challenge with everybody. Like like,
they totally could have sent me in as the first
person and let me have a day date like and
(14:10):
have more time, or they could have sent me in
as the original cast, or they could have sent me
in after like just like in the in where like
Leya and Alicia, where they came in, I'm like, it
feels like there were there were people there for them,
where it was like, oh, there's not enough for enough
people to go home anymore. I was kind of like, oh,
like there's only two of us, like Jeremy, not Jeremy,
(14:32):
Jonathan and Leah. They kind of were like, well, there's
no one else, so we're going to pair up and
be friends. I'm like, I definitely could have been around,
but they put me in on the same days you have.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Been around Jonathan's.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I could have been Jonathan's bestie. We're great friends, Like,
we could have been besties and hung out, but it
just wasn't in the cards for me.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
So there was no thought that maybe you and Jessin
would get back together in Paradise.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
No. I think we both knew that, like, we couldn't
get back together, Like we just knew that if we
were to ever revisit that like we have. It's like
a real world relationship where there's things like we wouldn't
bring onto the television show and like, but we also
couldn't move forward in a relationship without having certain conversations,
and so I'm like, I wouldn't. I don't think either
(15:16):
of us would have been open to like really restarting
something there.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Okay, Well, it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Was the love was evident, whether it's platonic love now
or past lave, you know, like the love of the past,
but it was very evident during your conversation, like the
love and respect that you guys have for each other.
It was like really beautiful. I actually think that like
your moment together, just like talking before you left, was
probably like my favorite part of Paradise.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
It just felt so authentic.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I think that's why I was, if I'm being honest,
so confused when he offered me the rose, because there
was a more to that conversation as well. But I
do think what they showed was very beautiful, and it
did like kind of wrap it up in a nice
neat like little Bob. But I really thought that was
like closure, like the things he said to me where
(16:04):
he was like, you know, I've like grown so much
because of you, and like I'm so grateful for everything
that has come from this, and like he's like I
remember him saying, he's like I feel so guilty that
like I get to stay and like you might be
going home, And I was like, it's literally fine, Like
this the conversation we had made it worth it. I
(16:24):
was like we can walk away, And I was like,
maybe this is why I came here, Like maybe it's
to get this closure and like have this like beautiful
conversation where you just said the most kind things to me,
and you can move forward and I can go back
home and move forward in a different way. But like
I just thought that was like like him being like
just just having like a closure conversation. So I was
(16:45):
so confused when everything went down at the Rows ceremony.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
One of my favorite things when I think about Paradise
is kind of seeing relationships that have evolved off camera
happen further on camera. I was like, yours, Kendall and Joe's,
and then there would been mine, And I just feel
like that's just more evidence that the Bachelor needs some
sort of spin off show.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Called like Bachelor in real life. Yeah, Bachelor, I R.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, that's cute. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So when he did decide to give you the rose
and he said I'm gonna leave, but I'm going to
give her the rose, Like, what was your like your
reaction was obviously shocked. How did you think that that
moment would Like where do you think it was gonna
come of that?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah? Well, I guess to me, like again, this is
like me literally be optimistic, delusional, whatever. I don't know.
I was not close with Lexi, but like I we'd
had a lot of conversations where I was like, I
promise you like don't feel weird, Like, do not feel weird,
Like I don't feel any way towards you, justin's amazing.
(17:51):
We both have worked on ourselves, and like you should
pursue this and like, don't feel weird about it, because
it's not going to stop me from being your friend.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And you're very special, very special, because I think that
like anybody out there just thinking about an X that
you have, you obviously have some sort of relationship with
enough that to have a conversation like we saw and
then you tell the new girl that like you want
this to happen for her is like the sweetest, kindnest
thing ever, and like not many people could be there
(18:21):
for that.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Thanks. I think that I would like want the same,
I guess, you know, like if it were because I
were both there single, so I'm like it I could
either really be make her uncomfortable or try to make
the most comfortable comfortable environment for all of us and
be like we're here, like we chose to make this
awkward decision, so you don't feel weird, Like we are
(18:43):
the weirdos that chose to come here, so like, don't
worry about it. And so when I when the rose
ceremony happened and he called my name. I was like,
maybe him and LEXI like conspired this together and they're
trying to save me and like maybe yeah, like like
I didn't know, and so I was like, oh my gosh,
Like no, I can't accept this. I really thought I
was going to go back in line and he was
(19:05):
gonna call Lexi and then they were gonna be like
we tried, just like we wanted to at least offer
to say. So when I think they aired it, I
looked at her and I was like, wait, did you
talk to him? And She's like no, And I was like,
oh my gosh. And then like I post everything I
found out that I guess going into the ROA ceremonies
when Justin found out that Jeremy was picking Bailey, and
he was like faced with this, like oh my gosh,
(19:27):
Like do I pick the person that I've been building
a connection with? But like it feels like right, I
like I.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Know that a lot. He got flack, and then he
also got praised for the same move.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I was more in praise with it because to me,
it was just like the kindest gesture to somebody that
he truly loves versus somebody that like he just like honestly,
it was obvious they didn't have a future.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, I think that was It was hard for me
because I was like, how could you do this? Like
I'm like, how can you just a LEXI like I decide,
And I think that would have been it would have
felt like slap in the face, even more so for
me to then accept the rose and be like, yeah,
I just encouraged you like all days, Like.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I understand, I see both sides, just right and wrong
in both of that.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I know, but I get. I totally get where he
was coming from because I know, like I think he
also knew like before going like I had never gone
back to Paradise, like he had gone to Paradise before,
and I think he kind of got screwed that season two.
Like I feel like Justin kind of has gotten screwed
on his seasons, like one of I think like one
full group or one full one on one was cut
(20:33):
from Katie's season, like he went to Paradise and just
like had kind of crap luck and then like I
really wanted to go to Paradise, Like I was like,
I want to go and I've never done it before,
and like I I just thought it would be the
most fun summer, even if I didn't end up like
falling in love. I was like, I just like have
never done this and I've not gone back on TV.
(20:55):
I want to go. I think it's so fun. Like
four years almost four years, yeah, four years, Like I
was genuinely so excited and just like and honestly just
down to have fun, but like I'm not gonna like
hurt somebody along the way. It's kind of was kind
of my mentality. And so I think that he knew
we had talked about it, and I was like, I
know this is going to suck, but like I want
to do this, Like I'm I was thirty one. I
(21:17):
think at the time I'm thirty to now, but I
was like I'm thirty one, Like I'm not going on
Paradise next year, you know, like I'm just not doing it,
like this is my last chance, not chance, but like
this is my last opportunity to do something like this
is how it felt. And so I think he was
like realizing I got screwed over and He's like I
don't want you to have to like go home and
(21:39):
like lose out on the opportunity to be here.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Yeah. Yeah, So what was the lost of you guys talk.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
We're in communication, Like, we share so many of the
same friends, we share the same management, we share like
so much of our life. So we definitely we talk.
We see each other like, it's not awkward, it's not weird,
and there's so much love there and we care a
lot about each other.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Oh, we love that. We love that. Let's talk about
another X. Clayton Perfect Clayton and Rachel.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Reccia they reunited on a Perfect Match on Netflix and
we did some breakdowns of those episodes. What did you
think about the two I'm sure you're familiar with the
storyline how that went, because at first he was like, yeah, Rachel,
let's revisit this.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Then like twelve hours later he's like.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Actually, never note whiplash. That was It was really like
a tough watch because like I I think that I
have like a good understanding of who Clayton is, so
I'm like, I see what's going on here, Like I
think that he and don't get me wrong, like we
all do have intuition and we should listen to it.
But I do think that maybe sometimes and I don't
(23:00):
don't know, I shouldn't like speak for him, But I'm like,
maybe sometimes like he's trying to listen to his intuition,
but maybe it's not necessarily his intuition. Maybe it's like
just the thought, you know what I mean. And so
I think he was like trying to do what he
thought was like the right thing, which is like to
listen to your gut, but maybe the gut was confused
with something else. I don't know, and so it was
it was like whiplash. And I think for him it
(23:20):
was hard for him to understand why Rachel was so hurt.
But it's like she's been put through so much and
she in the fact that she took a chance on you.
It felt like I was like, oh my gosh, like
you have to like be so gentle like this, you like,
she has been so hurt before. So it was really
like that was a hard watch for me because I
was like I adore both of these people, and I'm
(23:42):
just like, why did this have to happen like that?
Like why can't we just have a better understanding or
like a little more I don't know, like not go
as fast to like jump to this being like a sign.
I was like, it's not a sign. It's producers, and
I'm like, Clayton, if you wanted to revisit things with Rangel,
(24:02):
You've had lots of time off Camera's true too, that
is so true. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
My last question for you is Bachelor Nation obviously has
a new bachelorette in Taylor Frankie Paul. It definitely makes
sense for the network to do this crossover experience.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I do think that you were on a short list
of possible bachelorettes.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Did you ever hear from them, not post Paradise, not
post Paradise, but like for another season in the past, Yeah,
I think there's been twice when they've yeah, well, I'm
I think twice they've like reached out and been like, hey,
we want to consider you for this. But I do
think that I have put the nail into my own
coffin by denying the second rowse obviously the first time
(24:50):
on Clayton season, but then this is like the second
time I think that I have officially like they probably
are like you are so annoying, like this was your
chance to say and you're not willing to be a
little messy, And I'm like, no, I'm sorry, No.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I gotta follow up.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
If you were The Bachelorette and Justin were to say
I have to go on the show, like I have
to be in the running here, would you let him
on the season?
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, oh my god, I would have, Like I would
have messed with him so hard. I'd been like, perfect,
We're gonna come up with a really great challenge, like
I would just choose. I mean, me and Justin. I
feel like our friendship and relationship, like we clown on
each other so hard. So I'm like, okay, perfect, I'm
gonna curate the perfect date to just really mess with
this man. Yeah, because you know so many Yeah, I
(25:34):
would know exactly how to like make him so uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Even if it's a good day where it's like couples there.
Oh my god, oh my.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
God, I'd bring it, yes, exactly. I would know exactly
who to bring like that would be great.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
All right, Susie, you're the best. I'm so glad you're here.
And then we get to joe out together and until
then tonight, I've been Ashley and I've been Susy.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
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